Reconstituted DeKalb school board will move to extract itself from lawsuit against state

The new reconstituted DeKalb Board of Education faces a busy first meeting Wednesday at 6. Among the action items on the agenda:

Termination of the DeKalb County School District’s status as a plaintiff in The DeKalb County School District, et al. vs. The Georgia State Board of Education, et al., Case No. 1:13-CV-0544, pending in the United States District Court for the Northern District of Georgia, Atlanta Division.  Presented by: Mr. Marshall D. Orson, Board Representative, District #2

Rationale
Reduction in legal expenses.

Quick Summary / Abstract
Presented by: Mr. Marshall D. Orson, Board Representative, District #2

Details
Upon approval of this action item, the Superintendent is requested within 24 hours to instruct outside counsel to take appropriate steps to seek termination of the School District’s further status as plaintiff in the above-referenced lawsuit and any related litigation.

Financial Impact
Termination as plaintiff of the DeKalb County School District in the above-referenced lawsuit and any related litigation will result in financial savings as of the date of the termination of such status.

Requested Action
It is requested that the DeKalb County Board of Education terminate the School District’s status as plaintiff in the above-referenced legal matter and any related litigation in any court. It is further requested that such termination be without prejudice, if possible.

I assume this will end the funding the lawsuit with district funding. But suspended member Eugene Walker’s lawsuit challenging the state law that enabled his removal can proceed.

“Since there is another plaintiff in the lawsuit — Gene Walker –DCSD’s withdrawal from the suit would not stop the suit,” said Orson.

–From Maureen Downey, for the AJC Get Schooled blog

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Mountain Man

March 19th, 2013
4:12 pm

Thank the Lord! I guess the new Board decided they better show some positive action!

dc

March 19th, 2013
4:40 pm

southern opinion

March 19th, 2013
4:40 pm

Good! Now about that pay raise!

Another Voice

March 19th, 2013
4:43 pm

Finally. And if Mr. Walker is funding this lawsuit by himself (or with the remaining suspended members chipping in), it’s likely to disappear quickly. And then we really can get down to business!

Tim

March 19th, 2013
5:04 pm

This is from the other thread, because I don’t think it is still open for comments. Same subject though.

@Jono

You cite Crawford Lewis being charged (not convicted) and students cheating (how can a school board member stop that?) as reasons to justify the district being stripped of accreditation? You can’t be serious. And why don’t you tell me what money the school board “mismanaged” instead of just repeating media propaganda. And as expected, you ignore the meat of my post. Why don’t you tell which board members committed a crime? Because that is the only reason they should be removed from office by anyone other than Dekalb County voters. What specific board members participated in nepotism? And what about the entire report being based on anonymous sources? Would you agree on being removed from your job on such flimsy evidence? I’m not trying to save anyone’s reputation. I am simply speaking out against a flawed and unjust process to remove elected officials. Sorry, but I thinking correcting this constitutional matter is more important than the value of your property. And as far as the prospect of the district losing accreditation, blame SACS for that. They created this hysteria with nothing but mere allegations.

@ Chamblee Dad

I’m not saying Dekalb’s actions should be ignored. I’m just saying that if many other school systems in Georgia are operating under a deficit, then don’t come in and threaten to suspend accreditation in only Dekalb and other racially diverse school boards. Some of us out here just feel that constitutional law, voting rights, fairness and consistency in SACS doling out punishment, and due process still means something.

Oh, and since you think I’m “ill-informed at best”, when SACS put Atlanta Public Schools on probation, it had nothing to do with the cheating allegations. Nothing whatsoever. Once again, SACS put that entire district on probation mainly because they felt the school board couldn’t get along. SACS thinks that all school board members are supposed to agree and vote in unison, instead of being allowed to actually vote the way they truly feel on each particular issue. You know, kind of how our Supreme Court operates. Dekalb County never should have been put on probation unless SACS was willing to provide their sources and prove their claims.

concernedmom30329

March 19th, 2013
5:10 pm

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/dekalb-schools-face-costly-lawsuit/nWxZm/

This is a good example of what the Board did wrong. A board member raised the question about the legality of this action and was ignored by the rest of the Board. So here we are, facing a lawsuit, which the system will likely lose, and DCSS will likely be bankrupt.

The other systems running a deficit are small, some are tiny.. Apples to oranges.

GA law makes recall impossible. In DeKalb, it is doubly hard because our school board has refused to allow an ethics committee to be formed and thus, citizens have no where to turn to file ethics complaints.

Centrist

March 19th, 2013
5:12 pm

Does the Supreme Court still hear the issues the judge forwarded to them, or does somebody have to hire a lawyer to proceed?

Chamblee Dad

March 19th, 2013
5:17 pm

Quick Q – By “outside counsel” are they meaning anyone other than Bob Wilson?

Starik

March 19th, 2013
5:20 pm

I understand that Mr. Walker is an individual plaintiff, so he can proceed with or without a lawyer. He should be able to get a lawyer for little or nothing because of the publicity involved. Free advertising.

Centrist

March 19th, 2013
5:24 pm

It is obvious that Walker will only use Other People’s Money (OPM).

Chamblee Dad

March 19th, 2013
5:26 pm

@Tim If you’ve read my posts over the past few weeks you’ll know I’ve been criticized here often by questioning the constitutionality of this process, and the seemingly sad job SACS did in making their case, BUT I’m simply saying this board as a group has done virtually everything they are accused of & then some.

You ask Jono: “And why don’t you tell me what money the school board “mismanaged” , “What specific board members participated in nepotism?” If you haven’t already, spend an evening going through the DSW2 website, there in detail you can read for yourself, what many have read, written & posted in detail over the past several years in one place, granted you have to dig thru alot of other stuff, and much of the same has been reported by the AJC over the paqst several years, takes more digging, butr it’s not as if any of these allegations are new.

living in an outdated ed system

March 19th, 2013
5:36 pm

The lawyers can weigh in, but this is a well calculated maneuver by the new board. Certainly the intent is to start with a clean slate and distance itself from its past transgressions.

bu2

March 19th, 2013
5:52 pm

@Tim
Since Chamblee Dad keeps recommending it, caveat emptor! DSW2 has a lot of things that are simply made up. It has vast amounts of opinion stated as fact. One of the lead moderators is very prejudiced against various groups (especially those from South DeKalb) and is fond of stating things as fact that are not true. There’s some good stuff in the links, but there’s a lot of chaff and offensive things to sort through.

concernedmom30329

March 19th, 2013
6:33 pm

Tim

Just read the article in today’s paper about the teacher retirement issue, and that gives you a clear picture of just how inept this board has been.

concerned citizen

March 19th, 2013
7:00 pm

Someone’s been really busy stirring the pot. I have a “new”board”, we need a “new” chairman and co-chair(Johnson’s the same thing as Walker), always has been, always will be. If DeKalb County residents, after all the hell we’ve been through) finds out that any or all of you are making your own behind-the-scenes, deals, we will DEAL with you. (pun intended)

Don’t start making “”arrangements” for DeKalb. We don’t need that. Simply do your jobs and I believe you’re already “schemin’”! Look after the students and teachers and do nothing else for awhile. I don’t want to hear about cars and property until we have some kind of understanding about this board’s intentions. No smoke screens. BTW, the agenda is stilly and very forced. No need for that.

Bernie

March 19th, 2013
7:23 pm

Something still remains amiss here. Good ole Thurmond, our “CS” in chief is LATE with his proposed detailed Plan! as promised. Thurmond turning this ship around, is not as easy as one thought previously. Now that you have had time to fish around your Office. :) Take Your time, many would rather for you to get it RIGHT….. than rush! :)

mountain man

March 19th, 2013
7:36 pm

Tim, you must be Walker’s son-in-law.

Private Citizen

March 19th, 2013
8:42 pm

other news: Money, money, money, money, money. Profit, profit, profit, profit. No discussion of educational philosophy, educational achievement, or student needs in the entire report. Is this the company cities and states in the United States should trust with the education of our children? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alan-singer/pearson-education-profits_b_2902642.html

Jono

March 19th, 2013
8:45 pm

@ Tim:

Both Dr. Walker and you make the point that Lewis hasn’t had his day in court yet. Which is true, and which is why I was careful to use the term “charged.” One can hope that they will get their day in court, although the death of the State’s leading witness may mean that the facts won’t see the light of day.

Without opining on the alleged guilt or innocence of Crawford et. al., it is my opinion that a COMPETENTLY and transparently run administration would not have garnered cause for a Grand Jury investigation — unless it was all a “witch hunt”, which apparently you believe. I don’t share that view.

As Chamblee Dad has aptly stated, the facts (vs. innuendo) concerning the mismanagement under the Board’s tenure are a matter of public record. As I noted in the prior post, repeatedly making poor hiring choices for supers, and then having to pay them to go away, is a pretty clear case of ineptitude. I started to compile a list for your benefit, but stopped when it became clear to me that you seem to have your own private facts as well as your opinion; I’d be wasting my time.

Frankly, I find offensive — as a citizen of the overwhelmingly black county — your suggestion that racial persecution was the basis for all of these investigations and charges. If the governor happened to be black, would that make any difference? The fact that there are black members on the State School Board and they unanimously recommended replacing the DeKalb Board members obviously doesn’t. And I would expect you to be outraged if I were to make the specious suggestion that DeKalb used to have a nationally-recognized school system because the admins were predominantly white (I am using this as an example only). Let’s focus on facts and not on colors; playing the race card only divides people; it does not solve problems.

I never posted anything about nepotism, although I did speak to Dr. Walker of this. So why would you mention it?

Most real businesses remove managers for failure to perform, often independent of the extenuation circumstances. And yes, I would expect to be fired it I didn’t achieve what I was hired to do.

I’ll repeat for you: I don’t like the SACS methodology. I don’t like the fact that voters have been effectively disenfranchised. I don’t like the fact that Deal and the State Board had to take extraordinary action to address the problem. I don’t like the possibility that their action may be overturned and the old guard reinstated. But what I even liked less was the direction this Board was headed under Walker, and the direct and collateral damage to the entire county — and the extra hardships it would have placed upon minorities. Yes, the cure was bad, but the disease is worse.

Jono

March 19th, 2013
8:56 pm

@ Tim: I apologize for my long responses to your questions and concerns, but I didn’t address the cheating issue.

Well-run organizations put proactive measures in place to prevent future problems. What measures did the Board institute prior to the scandal? Instead — to quote from the Feb. 13, 2010 Dekalbschoolwatch blog:

“Our trust was breached with the Atherton CRCT test cheating scandal. The decision of then Atherton Principal James Berry and Asst. Principal Dorothea Alexander to change test scores was an act of such reckless, unethical gall, not only did they deserve to be fired, they should be permanently banned as educators in the State of Georgia. But how did our Superintendent Crawford Lewis initially react? He quickly sent out a memo to all DCSS employees asking “the entire system to reach out to Dr. Berry and Mrs. Alexander and show your support”.

Lewis failed to mention that both Principal James Berry and Assistant Principal Doretha Alexander at first DENIED changing test scores. Only after the investigation went public did they admit to their heinous actions.”

Concernedmom30329

March 19th, 2013
9:54 pm

Jono

Well said.

I want to add that it is clear that Walker conspired to leak the information about the first superintendent candidate, because he didn’t like her skin color. (I wouldn’t have picked her for other reasons, but regardless Walker’s motivation is transparent.) He then led the effort to hire an under qualified and over stressed superintendent from a system that was failing both academically and financially. Some board members reached out to people in Lorraine and got really bad reviews. Walker did not.

Walker then didn’t like the changes Atkinson made and visibly worked to undermine her. For this act alone, Walker should be gone.

Finally, it is important to note that Walker only became interested in the Board because Paul Womack ran. They were old sparring partners from several decades ago. I don’t blame Walker, Womack is a jerk, but Womack is gone and Walker should have taken that as a sign it was time to go. Had Walker stepped down, I imagine the rest of the Board would have been allowed at least a little more time to prove they could be functional.

SWGA Parent

March 19th, 2013
10:07 pm

I’m glad to see that the new Dekalb BOE has attempted to distance itself from the nonsense that Walker is attempting to perpetrate in trying to keep his spot on the Dekalb BOE. This suit has implications statewide since the majority of the Sumter County BOE has a case in Fulton Co Superior Court in trying to keep their seats in light of SACS probation for the Sumter Co. BOE. Utter nonsense using tax money to sue the Governor and the State BOE instead of using what is spent in legal fees to fund what student achievement…

DrJS

March 19th, 2013
10:09 pm

I am going to play devil’s advocate for a moment.

The Dekalb’s liability in this lawsuit may not mitigated so easily. Suppose Mr. Walker continues and prevails, i.e. the law that allowed the removal of the board is declared unconstitutional. THEN, the new board and any decisions it has made are null and void and the original decision from the old board to pay for the lawsuit is legally binding.

BTW I believe the law is unconstitutional because it allows an outside body to remove duly elected officials from office based upon spurious accusations from a third party. Once you get past the personalities involved, that is what this situation boils down to, a law allowing undocumented spurious accusations from a third, unelected, unaccountable party to initiate the removal of duly elected officials.

To use a hypothetical that is a bit exaggerated but understandable, it would be as if the Obama (chief executive) were able to remove the Republicans from Congress (elected officials) because the directors of MoveOn.org (unelected third party) said they were meanies.

I want to emphasize I don’t support the old board, BUT they are the elected representatives. There is a constitutional method to remove undesired elected representatives, elect someone else.

Atlanta Media Guy

March 19th, 2013
10:13 pm

Like this blog, DSW does have some comments that are questionable, however you can not get away with much since the folks at DSW will always ask for proof. DSW also has direct links to legal documents that prove all of the allegations. There are many posters at DSW who actually fill out the request for Open records, we found out a few days ago that Walkers BOE, behind his closed doors, voted 7-1 to use taxpayer dollars, which should be used for educating students, to pay the lawyers for the suit against the state. OnlyJester voted no. Embrace the debate at DSW and quit calling the stakeholders, parents and DCSS employees who comment there liars.

When it comes to nepotism in DCSS, one only has to look at a former BOE chair, Frances Edwards. Her family reaps close to a million a year in salaries and benefits. Daughter, Son, in-laws, cousins, aunts and an uncle, there could be more. Ramona Tyson, went 49 million over budget over two years, her CFO even forgot to add 26 million in interest for a loan. That one thing should have sent Ramona out the door, instead she is writing the SACS response. This after she did the last one, which was unprofessional and very shoddy work for a person getting an interim Super wage. Tyson also balanced the budget on the teachers back, instead of the useless Palace staff of instructional coaches, secretaries making more than teachers and Argosy doctorates.

It was 10 years ago when CLEW changed the SACS accreditation from individual schools to the entire district. It has been a crash in slow motion since.

I am sadden that the agenda for the BOE did not include an election for a new chair. There are 6 new members who never voted for the current chair. The new members should have a voice on who will set the agenda for the meetings until January 2015.

Chamblee Dad

March 19th, 2013
10:24 pm

I will always admit mistakes & I am open to criticism, so:

@Tim You are right that the APS cheating scandal was a separate issue than SACS concerns with the board, so I stand corrected. My mistake. I do think it’s worth noting that poorly-operating boards & bad superintendents often go hand-in-hand – not surprising – they hire them. And failing to reign them in = Lewis & Hall, in part allows those messes to happen.

@bu2 I’ll say this about DeKalb School Watch – I’m not as happy w/#2 (sorry guys) as the original, it still has significant resources that are indeed helpful & factual. Some posts & comments are similar to some here – opinions presented as facts, and (again you are right) there does seem to be a palpable agenda in some moderation comments – but I feel I’m capable of using it as a tool, you can often get news there before it hits the AJC – and more often than not it is legit. Certain posters generate a reputation of having good sources. I still preferred the original when Cere was involved – more objective to me, and the good news is that entire site is still available & has the benefit of covering the Lewis years – inexcruciating detail. And it’s notable how much alleged by both did & still does turn out to be proven true later.

Atlanta Media Guy

March 19th, 2013
10:27 pm

If the court rules in favor of Walker, then SACS is toast along with their for profit corporation AdvancED. It is time for the new board to find a new accrediting organization. If Walker wins the suit, the real losers are the students in DCSS and the DeKalb taxpayers. Walker your public service to our state and community has been a farce. From sexual harassment settlements, while on the State Parole Board and your feckless leadership of the 27th largest district in the country. You alone has cost us enough.

Chamblee Dad

March 19th, 2013
10:30 pm

@ Jono Nice string of posts today here & other thread. Last paragraph @ 8:45 on here, dead on with my thinking on SACS & process being used. Some might say we’re trying to have it both ways, I think if you read closely we are not.

Jono

March 19th, 2013
10:34 pm

@ DrJS: I have to give the Devil his due. Your concerns are certainly valid, and very well stated.

If overturned, the irony would be that SACS failed to do a compelling job of what THEY were hired to do. The decision to fire the BOE — the right one, in my view, for the constituents they were elected to serve — would be deemed for the wrong reasons.

Too bad the ultimate interests of the students and the constituents might be subordinate to the law. But that’s the way a Republic is supposed to work, after all. Time to look for housing outside of the county, and let DeKalb implode on its own.

Chamblee Dad

March 19th, 2013
10:39 pm

@AMG Yes, embrace the debate here & at DSW2. Agree on should have full 9 vote on chair & vice – I posted exact thought today on DSW after reading tomorrow’s agenda. And I know you have as well – I think it would serve both practical & symbolic reasons as this board starts publically working with our temporary superintendent. And I hope inertia can soon be built to get a new permanent superintendent – the search needs to start in earnest very soon.

Chamblee Dad

March 19th, 2013
10:49 pm

@ drJS & Jono Scenario that GA SC rules process unconstitutional in 4-6 months = insane train wreck. BUT a solution that would fix it – the remaining 5 join Jester & resign/drop suit – just step away to do the right thing for the DeKalb schoolchildren. I can dream . . .

@ Jono “Time to look for housing outside of the county, and let DeKalb implode on its own” I am mocked by some but I’m now ready to work & support to make this turn out OK, and I still think it can.

Jono

March 19th, 2013
10:50 pm

Thanks, Chamblee Dad. I don’t want to sound like an echo, but I have enjoyed yours, too.

Mandella1099

March 19th, 2013
10:50 pm

@ ConcernedMom30329

“The other systems running a deficit are small, some are tiny..”

Really? Can you list some specifics please? I would be interested to know in how you came to this conclusion becuase it sounds to me like another DeKalb School Watch II half-baked truth to fit another opinion that supports an agenda.

Is DCSS running a deficit? Yes. But don’t come out with foolish statements like this when you don’t have facts to support an argument. Maybe you could do an open records request for all of the budget spreadsheets from the other districts to see if you are accurate – heck, start demanding “forensic audits” for these districts as well….

Jono

March 19th, 2013
10:54 pm

@ Chamblee Dad: I don’t want to appear cynical; my hope is that this can be resolved to the benefit of everyone but Walker. But there are clearly forces beyond our control and and very best intentions. I’ve lived in DeKalb for almost 40 years, and I hate moving . . .

bu2

March 19th, 2013
11:24 pm

@concerned Mom
There’s nothing obvious about Dr. Walker being the source of the leaks. It could easily have been the chairman Mr. Bowen who refused to investigate the leaks and castigated Jester/McChesney/Speaks/Womack for publically complaining about the leaks. It could have been Mr. Cunningham. It could have been Ms. Copelin-Woods or Ms. Edler who were concerned about provisions in the contract rather than race. It could have been someone within the administration.

I also don’t agree that Walker “visibly” worked to undermine Atkinson. Some people in the community did. Although he may have worked with them or encouraged them, he did not do so openly.

As for Walker only becoming interested because of Womack, do you have any evidence of that? And is that relevant?

bu2

March 19th, 2013
11:32 pm

@AMG and Chamblee Dad
The only people who get challenged on DSW2 are the people who aren’t members of the Jester/McChesney fan club.

I distinguish between DSW2 and DSW. The extremism, prejudicial opinions, hypocrisy and caliber of discussion has significantly gotten worse since Cerebration handed it over. And the fact that the other moderators put up with that one who is so hateful, prejudiced and dishonest discredits them all.

bu2

March 19th, 2013
11:43 pm

I’m sure Dr. Walker will find someone else’s money to fund the suit. NAACP, ACLU. Someone (and until 24 hours after tomorrow’s meeting, its still us taxpayers-I imagine they’re working pretty hard tonight). Unfortunately, its not over. And if the Supreme Court upholds Deal, it still might not be over if Walker files for reinstatement.

The SACS has done a really poor job documenting their reasons.
If Deal refuses to re-instate any of the old board members, it will be difficult to support due process by using the SACS report.

bootney farnsworth

March 20th, 2013
12:25 am

a good first step. but lets see what occurs

dekalbite@bu2

March 20th, 2013
12:29 am

“The SACS has done a really poor job documenting their reasons.”

The judge said any reasonable person reading the SACS findings would call the BOE members action egregious. Since it seems so many commenters say the report is vague, that would lend credence to the idea that the judge saw much more than the public.

Tim

March 20th, 2013
1:18 am

@Jono

Hiring unfit superintendents may be bad decision-making, but it is not criminal nor warrants the right for the governor to select my school board member. And I mentioned nepotism because that was one of the reasons that SACS cited. But of course, they never gave specific examples. And why should they? The appointed Republican hacks on the State Board of Education felt that a report based on “anonymous sources” is all that is needed to remove elected school board members.

“Frankly, I find offensive — as a citizen of the overwhelmingly black county — your suggestion that racial persecution was the basis for all of these investigations and charges. If the governor happened to be black, would that make any difference?”

Well lets’s see: In a state with 159 counties, only 4: Dekalb, Sumter, Clayton, and APS, has been targeted by SACS. ALL OF THEM have majority black school boards. Just a coincidence huh? Oh, and did I forget to mention Morris Brown College (an HBCU)? If it walks like a duck…

And you know something that has not been mentioned at all in this entire discussion since Dekalb was put on probation? Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t Georgia rank 48th in SAT scores? I’m not one of these people who thinks everything should be determined by standardized tests. But 48th out of 50? And yet, pretty much only the metro Atlanta counties are having their accreditation questioned? Do you really believe the quality of education in Dekalb County is worse than some of the rural north and south Georgia counties? Of course not. SACS has an agenda, and should be exposed for it. Maybe one day, the AJC reporters will tell the people why SACS was basically thrown out of North Carolina.

“If the governor happened to be black, would that make any difference?”

What!!!!??? Okay…. let me try to think of a black Democrat that many white people dislike. Hmmmmm…… I know. Cynthia McKinney! Let’s just say Governor Cynthia McKinney decided to replace the Forsyth County school board with her appointees. Everyone would have the same reaction right? Come on, the majority of the people who just love Governor Deal replacing the Dekalb Board would be on this same blog whining about the “unconstitutionality” of Governor McKinney’s actions, LoL. And for the “playing the race card” nonsense, I’m not playing at all here. And that’s just a phrase that is used to deter people from speaking out on obvious instances of actual racism. Sorry, it won’t work here.

I just heard on the news that the education splost tax passed in Cobb County. But then they said the Cobb County school district still has a $80 million deficit. Could financial mismanagement be a cause? And what about Fayette County? They are closing down 4 schools because of their debt. What does Prince Mark Elgart have to say? Probably nothing. I mean, “financial mismanagement” and “dysfunctional” are only used when describing non-white school boards. The millions of dollars of debt the other school boards have must be due to the recession or something. Because surely, it can’t be “dysfunction” or “mismanagement”.

Jono

March 20th, 2013
9:21 am

Wow, Tim. Although I’m tempted to deconstruct your reply line-by-line, I’m not going to be that obnoxious to everyone else on the blog.

A few things, though, if you’ll permit me. If the charges against Lewis and Reid et. al. don’t seem serious enough to you, what would?

Are you familiar with the “post hoc ergo propter hoc” fallacy? If not, you might want to check it out because your “if it walks like a duck” rationale seems to fit.

Apparently, it seems impossible to you that a group — which happens to be majority black — might actually have problems that have absolutely nothing to do with racism.

The charge of racism today is like communism of the 50’s. There needn’t be a substantive charge to sully a reputation or replace logic with emotion.

About the racism bit: I’m not buying what you’re selling. The DCSS is majority black; as are their clients. They have problems. Deal with them.

bu2

March 20th, 2013
9:41 am

@dekalbite
There is apparently only one item that specifies a board member. There is no backup for their claims. SACS has no notes even on who was interviewed for specific claims. I don’t see any way the state could justify denying an individual board member if they only use that report. There is simply no due process. Its simply, “Someone, we don’t know who, at some point in time, not sure when, told an interviewer, we don’t know which one, that some board member, we don’t know who, did XYZ. Oh, and someone told us they spent $12 million on textbooks they couldn’t find, but we didn’t talk to the CFO, superintendent or anyone directly responsible for that.” It sounds like something the DCSS administration would produce.

bu2

March 20th, 2013
9:45 am

@Tim
When you bring in Morris Brown you totally discredit yourself. If they didn’t take accreditation from that financial wreck they would be discrediting themselves.

OriginalProf

March 20th, 2013
10:39 am

But Tim’s conjuring up the image of a Governor Cynthia McKinney definitely made me LOL.

Not Afraid to Say So

March 20th, 2013
11:21 am

Bravo!
Terrific first step new board!
Keep on going and do good works like these and you will be reelected!
Thanks!

Chamblee Dad

March 20th, 2013
3:15 pm

@bu2 thread burning out here – but on DSW 1 & 2 “The only people who get challenged on DSW2 are the people who aren’t members of the Jester/McChesney fan club.”

While I’m a “fan” if you will of Jester – McChesney not so much – I got challenged there like here when I questioned the wisdom of the Dunwoody push for a new school district, while at the same time advocating for not giving up on DCSS yet – as you can imagine pretty hard.

I follow no party line – on here I got accused of racism from both “sides” of the racial make-up debate, which to me is a good sign.

But like you I did prefer DSW – with Cere & the others to what it is now. But it’s not useless. My point is if you can tolerate some of the tone & agenda, there is something worthwhile to be had there, and sometimes even the best source for info. until it turns up elsewhere.

Chamblee Dad

March 20th, 2013
3:24 pm

@Original Prof “But Tim’s conjuring up the image of a Governor Cynthia McKinney definitely made me LOL.” I agree, but let’s don’t give her any ideas . . . I’m sure her Daddy always had plans.

OriginalProf

March 20th, 2013
3:50 pm

Oh, I was just thinking of Governor McKinney ruling over the present state legislature….

Jono

March 20th, 2013
4:02 pm

She’d slap them into shape!

Chamblee Dad

March 20th, 2013
5:03 pm

@Jono Like father . . . like daughter.

Tim

March 20th, 2013
9:36 pm

@Jono

I would love to see you try and deconstruct every line.

No surprise that you have no comment on the state of Georgia being ranked 48th in SAT scores, but yet only the racially-diverse school boards in metro Atlanta are being sanctioned. The Governor Mckinney analogy was used to point out the hypocrisy of people on this blog. Because you don’t like the members of the Dekalb Board, it’s all fine and dandy for them to be illegally replaced by the governor. You use the charges against former Dekalb officials as if that is some kind of justification to have our voting rights taken away. The justice system will deal with them, that is no reason to nullify my vote. Let’s just throw electoral laws out the window as long as you personally agree with the decision, right?

“About the racism bit: I’m not buying what you’re selling. The DCSS is majority black; as are their clients. They have problems. Deal with them.”

Well of course you’re not. Regardless of how many examples are cited, you will not lift your head out of the sand. It’s all just coincidence to you. And the citizens of Dekalb never got a chance to “deal with them”, because Deal took it upon himself to do it for us.

“Financial mismanagement” could probably be levied against almost every school board in this state. Cobb and Fayette counties are in debt. Do school board members in the other 155 counties all get along while singing Kumbaya? SACS’ selective enforcement is downright despicable. Other school systems are in debt, and other school boards argue and bicker too. And they face no punishment by SACS. If you can’t clearly see the racially biased attacks that SACS is committing, it’s because you’re walking around with blinders on.

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I threw Morris Brown in there because “financial mismanagement” was the main reason given for stripping their accreditation. At the time in 2002, they were $23 million in debt. I wonder how many colleges today have even more debt than that, and why doesn’t SACS seem to care? Around the same time, SACS also targeted Grambling State, another HBCU. There is no telling how many colleges are in debt today. I haven’t heard a peep from SACS. And when Emory University admitted to cheating last year by inflating student data to boost their rankings on “best” college lists, what did SACS do? Nothing. People have totally forgotten about that, because the media made sure that you would.