Michael Thurmond is the new interim superintendent of DeKalb schools.
By Michael Thurmond
The citizens of DeKalb County have placed great trust in me. They are looking for solutions, and I am determined to meet the challenges that face us. Those challenges are great, but our opportunities are greater.
Many have asked if one person can make a difference. This isn’t a job one person can accomplish alone. We must come together as a community and commit our energies and resources to restoring full accreditation for the DeKalb County School District. This must be our prime objective.
Our students have worked hard to win acceptance to some of the nation’s finest colleges and universities. They have qualified for admission to top-flight technical colleges and military academies. Others are graduating directly into the world of work. No “adult made” obstacles should stand in their way – especially when the threat of losing accreditation has nothing to do with their hard work and academic achievement.
All of us, in north DeKalb and south, white, black, Hispanic, Asian, conservative and progressive, must coalesce behind this single goal: winning unconditional accreditation and becoming a world-class educational institution.
No insurmountable obstacles stand in the way of achieving that goal. Our diversity has engendered disagreement, but our diversity is a strength, not a weakness. I am confident that the DeKalb County community will rally to the goal of improving education for 99,000 schoolchildren.
Just two years ago, citizens and parents pushed aside parochial concerns to approve a massive redistricting plan because it provided the best outcome for the district. We must regain that sense of togetherness and unity. We must cast aside “my school, my neighborhood, my district” parochialism and work together for what is best for the entire district.
We will get our financial house in order. It is not enough to blame the state — or the state of the economy — for our financial woes. We will squeeze every ounce of educational efficiency out of every dollar. We will embrace best practices – not just in classroom expenses but in legal fees, central office budgets or workers’ compensation costs – to ensure that every conceivable dollar that should be going to a classroom is getting there.
How can we do all that with a board of education that AdvancEd has said is a major part of the problem? Prior to accepting this job I asked each board member if they are willing to make the sacrifices necessary to lift us off probation and bring fundamental change to our system. All nine board members stated without reservation that they were ready and willing to meet the standards set by our accreditors.
They have 99,000 reasons to put “my district” concerns aside. They are determined to work together and make hard decisions – political and otherwise – in order to rebuild public trust.
With a new vision to fundamentally transform the DeKalb County School District, we will earn full accreditation. The quest to build a great public school system has already begun.
–From Maureen Downey, for the AJC Get Schooled blog
130 comments Add your comment
waltbellamy
February 16th, 2013
2:57 am
@ MT
Get back to me when you have eliminated 50% of the bloated central office staff. I look forward to coalescing behind your efforts at that time. Good luck!
Bernie
February 16th, 2013
3:04 am
Mr.Thurmond, many will appreciate your coming forward with your proposed plans for improving the status of the current Dekalb County School System we do welcome that information from you. However during one of your first ON camera comments to a WSB-TV reporter prior to accepting this responsibility, you clearly stated you were called upon to “HELP”. And that you were willing to honor that request on behalf of the many children and parents of Dekalb county. one can only take you at your word given after those remarks.
What surprised many in the community and myself was that you were quickly hired in short order. The other most surprising occurrence, was the lucrative pay package that was offered and accepted by you. We all are aware of your many successes as a public servant and we thank you for it. However, you have taken on a position as school superintendent in a school system in a crisis situation.
As the school superintendent in a good system where there is no crisis requires a whole different skill set of knowledge and experience when things are going well. what concerns me and many in the community are what guarantees are you willing to assure to the community,parents and employees that under your Leadership things will improve and to what level. Right now many see you as just another political opportunist Georgia politician getting a favor from some hidden inside deal.
To put it bluntly, Many feel YOU do NOT Have any SKIN IN THE GAME! but yet you are being compensated handsomely and quite well even after you have departed voluntarily or requested. You are currently being compensated as if you have all of the necessary required qualifications for that position as clearly stated in the school employment policy for employment for all others who came before you and will come after you. There is clearly a sense of unfairness as you might expect. There is a sense of YOU being given a free ride and special treatment at taxpayors expense, when in the REAL world such a compensated deal would never be offered or expected.
I and many others in the community would like to see a little balance of parity. You may very well be successful and with good intention as you stated and we all hope that process will occur as stated. However, what are you willing to offer in return, if it does not?
Many of the parents,employees and taxpayors of Dekalb County would certainly feel better if you have some financial skin in the game. After All, the risk primarily rest 100% with them. As it stands, you will be paid an above average compensation even if you fail and without any taxpayors recourse.
Being that you have actual very limited real life experience and expertise in the management in the education arena, why not offer a reduced salary compensation package for now, until those proposed results materialize as you expect or plan to occur. This offer would go a long way with all parties that you are serious and know that you are sincere with your offer to “HELP” as you stated. We are not asking you to take a zero sum pay package because we like you must make a living for our families. However, unlike you we would never see such a pay package without experience in the private sector. That type of arrangement NEVER happens! EVER!
So Sir, I would like to challenge you to be true to your word when you stated that YOU are being called upon to HELP and that you are more than truly willing and able to provide that HELP. Think about what you may offer to the Taxpayors,community and employees concerning this very important issue regarding compensation. I would say wee can start with a 50% reduction of salary with an incentive’s built in, stating if you succeed as stated and as you expect you will be paid the full contracted rate at a later date. However if you fail, to forgo all the unpaid amounts along with the pay amounts after termination or resignation. A offer that every taxpayor of Dekalb county currently expects from his or her would employer as well as any other Dekalb county education employee.
I would say set some measurable goals to be reached clearly, easily understandable with actual results produced. This requests seems only fair many would say certainly in light of the above circumstances as stated by you and as well as this comment. This peace offering, if you will would go a long way of instilling confidence and sincere belief to all involved that you are serious about this challenge and you too are willing to put some real skin in the game. What do you SAY?
Ugh Platitudes
February 16th, 2013
3:34 am
Can we have some specifics please?
Beverly Fraud
February 16th, 2013
5:11 am
“winning unconditional accreditation and becoming a world-class educational institution.”
Nobody who has honesty and integrity would utter the words, “world class” in regard to DeKalb. It’s completely inauthentic, and nothing more than pandering to the lowest common denominator.
DeKalb will not be anywhere remotely near “world class,” and to utter otherwise is to be nothing short of a liar.
Pardon My Blog
February 16th, 2013
5:58 am
@ Bernie – though I RARELY agree with you, your comments above are well said and actually should be sent to Mr. Thurmond because I think it captures what we feel. I, too, could not believe the compensation package given to someone who is basically a temp employee with no experience.
One thing I would add; however, is that he should keep his focus on the students and let the Board handle their own issues with AdvancEd. They have had plenty of chances to do the right thing and to change their ways but bottom line, it will not happen because there are many on this Board starting with Walker who just are not trustworthy.
@Beverly Fraud – yeah, it seems we get all this lofty talk and it is one thing to set goals but they should be realistic goals. Start with achievable goals and go from there.
gdfo
February 16th, 2013
7:05 am
” We must come together as a community”
$275,000.00 a year for this? No Mr Thurmond! The Dekalb School Board is SUPPOSED to be in charge of the school system. Thats what they are PAID for.
Why bring ‘diversity’ into the picture? The problems with the Dekalb School board is WITH how they run things. They FAILED. This is not about diversity or race but FAILURE.
If this is the level of MR Thurmonds thinking and reflects his ability to act, then his efforts will not suffice.
The Dekalb School Board has members that do not belong to one race. The Board has FAILED.
Principal Skinner
February 16th, 2013
7:07 am
“World Class”? Why does that sound so similar to, “Premier DeKalb”? I roflmao every time I hear a new line of bull from a progressive. Wish Fulfillment is no way to run a Billion $$$$ a year school system.
If the DBOE is not removed next Thurs, then all hope is lost for DCSS.
Married with (School) Children
February 16th, 2013
7:07 am
“The citizens of DeKalb County have placed great trust in me.”
No, we have not.
Principal Skinner
February 16th, 2013
7:19 am
Here’s a haiku:
Administration
Bloated and incompetent
No chance for, “World Class”
Principal Skinner
February 16th, 2013
7:27 am
Another:
Mister Thurmond, PLEASE
Fight for the real stake-holders
NOT the B.O.E.!!!!!!
LOGIC
February 16th, 2013
7:32 am
Platitudes will get us nowhere. Thurmond needs to come in hitting hard because the issues are well documented but Tyson didn’t do the heavy lifting as interim, Atkinson had her own agenda,and this Board is a disease epidemic of epic proportions.
The fact that Thurmond isn’t coming in championing the removal of this Board and the fact that he took the job presumably knowing the circumstances speaks volumes. The “smart” board members needed to do the right thing and either not vote or figure out a way to push the right decisions within legal bounds or raise such a stink to prevent such actions. The fact that this Board did not hold Tyson, then Atkinson accountable for results and has been allowed to get us a 3rd super on the payroll is enough to show their poor negotiation experience and complete ineptitude, even with a lawyer on there now!
Letters to the State BOE and Governor, folks. This isn’t about race or where you live in the county; this is about being held hostage by a bunch of very bad people who continue to inflict damage on our children and neighborhoods. Legally, they know they can’t be stopped because we have no checks and balances, so they continue to pillage the taxpayers without any accountability.
Cindy Lutenbacher
February 16th, 2013
8:16 am
I have to wonder what has happened to “A real leader leads by example.” We must tighten our belts while those in power loosen theirs.
catlady
February 16th, 2013
8:16 am
I am guessing the board sees the handwriting on the wall, and some of them wanted this one, final instance of control with someone who has some connection with them. It is a win-win for some members of the board; if they are dismissed, they have “their man” in there, and if the are not dismissed, well, they have “their man” in there.
Wilbur
February 16th, 2013
8:19 am
The “people” of DeKalb County did not place their trust in Mr. Thurmond. The board did. The board hired Thurmond and they can fire him. The “people” are going to wait and see what they get.
Parents don’t care much about the system or the district. They care about their children. If you would garner their support, you need to care about them too. So far there is not much evidence that the BOE does. Caring about the kids not the system, not the front office or the politicians is the only way to move this forward
To be successful the leadership is going to have to stand up to the race driven parochial interests of some groups in the county. You will likely have to call them out in public and truly speak truth to power. Your biggest problem is going to be finding courage for your board. Heaven knows they have not had any yet.
BTW, SACS is your friend. It’s the only hammer you have to force the board to act constructively. Without the pressure from SACS, this situation would be infinitely worse.
MiltonMan
February 16th, 2013
8:20 am
Thurmond will take the money and run. The accreditation agency has already stated over and over again that the current BOE members are the big problem yet Thurmond is already sucking up to them???
bootney farnsworth
February 16th, 2013
8:21 am
the citizens of DeKalb did not place great trust in you. Gene Walker did.
you can try to kid yourself, but you can’t kid us
bootney farnsworth
February 16th, 2013
8:23 am
much of this letter is vintage Hosea Williams, but without the character.
bootney farnsworth
February 16th, 2013
8:26 am
@ pardon
running interference for the board IS his job.
Beverly Fraud
February 16th, 2013
8:29 am
Prior to accepting this job I asked each board member if
there was enough money in the bank to make sure my check clearedthey are willing to make the sacrifices necessary to lift us off probation and bring fundamental change to our system.Beverly Fraud
February 16th, 2013
8:46 am
@Beverly Fraud – yeah, it seems we get all this lofty talk and it is one thing to set goals but they should be realistic goals. Start with achievable goals and go from there.
@Pardon this isn’t about poor goal setting because nobody in their right mind would set “world class” as a goal for DeKalb. This is about, at the very fundamental core of your being, exposing yourself as one who is willing to blatantly lie to the public, because you are getting paid well to do so.
Pure and simple, it’s a lack of integrity.
Teach
February 16th, 2013
8:46 am
Give the teachers a step increase…otherwise, were outta here.
Dunwoody Mom
February 16th, 2013
8:57 am
Where is the plan? I feel like I just read a “stump speech”.
Mom of 3
February 16th, 2013
9:10 am
Words, words, words….
Diane Loupe
February 16th, 2013
9:12 am
Make gof on your promise of fiscal efficiency by firing all the folks on the payroll who have jobs because I’d their relatives. Start with Philandria Guillory, who makes a six figure income in a job for which she is unqualified, and which she got because her mother, Frances Edwards, was on the school board. She isn’t even n the board, and yet, she still has a patronage job.
It is a time for dramatic gestures. Enact a nepotism policy, immediately. Let the public and the accreditors know you are serious. Nothing less will work. We have heard the platitudes for years. Lets see if you are serious about reforming this system.
Diane Loupe
February 16th, 2013
9:12 am
Make gof on your promise of fiscal efficiency by firing all the folks on the payroll who have jobs because I’d their relatives. Start with Philandria Guillory, who makes a six figure income in a job for which she is unqualified, and which she got because her mother, Frances Edwards, was on the school board. She isn’t even n the board, and yet, she still has a patronage job.
It is a time for dramatic gestures. Enact a nepotism policy, immediately. Let the public and the accreditors know you are serious. Nothing less will work. We have heard the platitudes for years. Lets see if you are serious about reforming this system.
bootney farnsworth
February 16th, 2013
9:23 am
Mr. Thurmond,
Allow me to state up front I was opposed to your appointment. We have met a couple of times and I found you to be very engaging and funny. I have no doubt you would be an asset to most places. Regretfully, not here, not now.
Yet here you are, and be default, here we are as well. In the spirit of facing life head on, I accept you are now the man on the ground. I will list my concerns about your appointment below. Not to be critical (yet acknowledging these items are) but to outline them in just so many words. It’s my hope you will face these challenges head on with deeds and not more buzzwords.
1-you were appointed by a board the community has no trust in. Further , you seem to have a strong political connection to them, and to Dr. Walker in particular. It sends a very strong signal you are there to protect the failed status quo, not correct it.
2-you have no educational experience. Law firms, for example, are rarely run by people who are not lawyers. This sends a loud signal the board who appointed you has no intention to allow someone in place with the background to scrutinize their actions correctly.
3-like any good politician, you use platitudes where actual nouns are needed. Particularly the ever popular “diversity”. “Diversity” is not what DeKalb needs now – it has it already. What it needs is excellence and leadership. The ethnic and political divisions within the board are a matter of record.
4-in your early statements, you seem to be confused as to what your role is supposed to be. You are not supposed to be there to assist, support, and advocate for the board. Yet you have already spent a disproportionate amount of time doing exactly that. Since even SACS has stated the board is at the heart of the worst of the DCSS problems, your actions indicate you will contribute to these problems, not work to improve them.
5-I can not stress enough our concerns about your connection to Dr. Walker. To the average observer, this seems like an episode of the Sopranos. If you are to have any credibility, you must act quickly and decisively to disprove this notion.
6-please do not lecture us on “parochialism” considering how you got this position. To be very blunt, sir, until your actions show otherwise, your appointment is the height of parochialism.
7- it is easy to say we must get our financial house in order. Deeds are called for, not words. Outline a plan, make it public, act on it. For it to have any resonance with the community it must start with cutting the corrupt and bloated central office. It must also include a forensic accounting of
the last several years, and must be done by an agency with no ties to the system, the county, or any member of the board. I would encourage you to formally request the GBI to do this, since it very probably will end with some people being escorted out in handcuffs.
8-your appointment is classic nepotism. This must end, and since the administrative structure can’t help themselves, it needs to be codified in writing. In short, stated rules.
9-call for all the board members, including Dr. Walker to voluntarily step down over the summer so a new board can be chosen. The current board is a cancer, and must be completely removed if the DCSS is to survive.
I bear you no ill will sir. You are simply the wrong man in the wrong position at the worst possible time. But even this stated openly, you have the opportunity to prove us wrong. It will require courage, audacity, and leadership. It will not be easy, and probably will get ugly.
Can you be that man?
Barb Lucas
February 16th, 2013
9:32 am
Mr. Thurmond: If you really want the taxpayers/parents to have faith in you, would recommend that you start by requesting that your pay package be lowered until you have proven you can bring this school situation up to par (as it once was). We, the taxpayers, are cash strapped as it is, between your astronomical pay and shelling out untold amounts to attorneys. The current Board has succeeded in making us of poor quality and that is not fair to the students who will ultimately pay for the incompetence of the Board. You should review what funds are going out to attorneys’ fees; namely, cut off Crawford Lewis’ free ride and quit paying attorneys and “consultants” to figure out what the Board SHOULD be able to figure out on its own. I should think the taxpayers are tired of funding these ridiculous decisions made by the Board. Last, if you have some sound and logical ideas to improve the system, man up and stick to your guns if your incompetent Board members want to strike them down. Enough is enough—time to get this right.
Lee
February 16th, 2013
9:54 am
Well, everyone knew Thurmon was an adept politician and a good speaker. Let’s meet again in 90 days and see if these are platitudes and empty words or if Mr Thurmond has any substance.
…and I think most folks are of the opinion that any plan by Thurmond that doesn’t include a wholesale cleaning of the central office staff is merely more of the same “business as usual” that has plagued Dekalb for the past 20 years.
dekalbite@Mr. Thurmond
February 16th, 2013
9:59 am
DeKalb has the lowest student achievement rate in the metro area even compared to demographically similar school systems. From a system that paid our teachers the highest compensation in metro area we now pay our teachers the lowest salaries even as we have the highest property tax rates in the area. Our students are packed into classes that reach to 40 students in many high schools. We have spent tenfold on security, legal fees and parental involvement programs compared to other school systems. We have spent close to $100,000,000 in the last decade for expensive educational programs (High Schools that Work, Read 180, Springboard, America’s Choice, Success for All, etc.) that have produced no positive educational results. We are still spending $3,000,000 on Fernbank Science Center for 21 non teaching positions to support 20 teachers who are almost always in the schools. We spend tens of millions a year for non teaching personnel who are certified to teach but do not teach – e.g. Coach, Coordinator, Supervisor, Manager, Director, and Superintendent, etc.. There have been no studies showing all of these non teaching positions have had any impact on raising student achievement in DeKalb.
We have made teachers a minority in number while we have increased the non teaching side exponentially. We pay our mechanics that require a high school diploma more than our physics teachers with PhDs. Many students go to schools with no soap or toilet tissue in the bathrooms unless parents pay for it. Teachers and students are asked to use glue and tape to repair their textbooks even as money was “allocated” for the books but no one knows what happened to them.
Here are some positive ideas:
1. Lower the pupil teacher ratio to under 30 students for every middle and high school teacher and under 25 for elementary teacher in grades 4 and 5 and much lower than that for primary grades.
2. Ensure the classrooms are clean, the toilets work and have soap and toilet paper, and students have textbooks
3. Allow teachers to spend Title 1 funds on what works for their classrooms
4. Make sure the technology we have spent so much money on works for teachers and students
5. Place our teachers’ salaries on par with the other metro systems and reinstate the TSA contribution
6. Update the DCSS website to post :
a. The titles and Salary Schedules for all non teaching positions
b. An Organization Chart with titles and personnel names
c. An online check registry
In short, after the classrooms that contain the students and teachers are adequately funded, hire the administration and any other ancillary positions. Make all positions, salary and expenditures transparent to taxpayers.
Lewis, Tyson and Atkinson came out of their time at the DCSS helm with their reputations in tatters because they could not move students forward. All of this budget talk is meaningless unless you can do your MAIN job – increase student achievement. That is why the school system exists. Please use the INVESTMENT (tax dollars) you have been given to create a decent RETURN (increased student achievement). You will truly be a hero if you can do that.
Dekalbite@Mr. Thurmond
February 16th, 2013
10:12 am
DeKalb has the lowest student achievement rate in the metro area even compared to demographically similar school systems. From a system that paid our teachers the highest compensation in metro area we now pay our teachers the lowest salaries even as we have the highest property tax rates in the area. Our students are packed into classes that reach to 40 students in many high schools. We have spent tenfold on security, legal fees and parental involvement programs compared to other school systems. We have spent close to $100,000,000 in the last decade for expensive educational programs (High Schools that Work, Read 180, Springboard, America’s Choice, Success for All, etc.) that have produced no positive educational results. We are still spending $3,000,000 on Fernbank Science Center for 21 non teaching positions to support 20 teachers who are almost always in the schools. We spend tens of millions a year for non teaching personnel who are certified to teach but do not teach – e.g. Coach, Coordinator, Supervisor, Manager, Director, and Superintendent, etc.. There have been no studies showing all of these non teaching positions have had any impact on raising student achievement in DeKalb.
We have made teachers a minority in number while we have increased the non teaching side exponentially. We pay our mechanics that require a high school diploma more than our physics teachers with PhDs. Many students go to schools with no soap or toilet tissue in the bathrooms unless parents pay for it. Teachers and students are asked to use glue and tape to repair their textbooks even as money was “allocated” for the books but no one knows what happened to them.
Here are some positive ideas:
1. Lower the pupil teacher ratio to under 30 students for every middle and high school teacher and under 25 for elementary teacher in grades 4 and 5 and much lower than that for primary grades.
2. Ensure the classrooms are clean, the toilets work and have soap and toilet paper, and students have textbooks
3. Allow teachers to spend Title 1 funds on what works for their classrooms
4. Make sure the technology we have spent so much money on works for teachers and students
5. Place our teachers’ salaries on par with the other metro systems and reinstate the TSA contribution
6. Update the DCSS website to post :
a. The titles and Salary Schedules for all non teaching positions
b. An Organization Chart with titles and personnel names
c. An online check registry
In short, after the classrooms that contain the students and teachers are adequately funded, hire the administration and any other ancillary positions. Make all positions, salary and expenditures transparent to taxpayers.
Lewis, Tyson and Atkinson came out of their time at the DCSS helm with their reputations in tatters because they could not move students forward. All of this budget talk is meaningless unless you can do your MAIN job – increase student achievement. That is why the school system exists. Please use the INVESTMENT (tax dollars) you have been given to create a decent RETURN (increased student achievement). You will truly be a hero if you can do that.
PatDowns
February 16th, 2013
10:16 am
@ bootney farnsworth
February 16th, 2013
9:23 am
Well stated, bootney. Sadly, it will fall on deaf ears.
Dunwoody Mom
February 16th, 2013
10:19 am
@bootney…totally agree…but this is DCSS and you know this will not happen.
Centrist
February 16th, 2013
10:22 am
Bringing in an overpaid politician with ties to the existing failure. What could possibly go wrong?
dekalbteacher
February 16th, 2013
10:23 am
When we have an illness, we expect a doctor to give us the truth and tell us what can be done.
Dekalb has an illness. I don’t want to hear about trust, opportunities, and obstacles. I want to hear about specific actions.
No matter how much we citizens and employees in the county come together, only the super and the board can do the following:
1. Eliminate Tyson’s position and save us almost a quarter million.
2. Dismantle the Leadership Academy and salvage the small amount of RTT funds we still have for things students need: textbooks, translators, after-school programs.
3. Implement a fiscally and environmentally responsible calendar. If we needed to reduce last summer’s central office work schedulte to a 4-day work week to save $250,000 in electricity fees, then we absolutely cannot afford the extra cost incurred in running busss and cooling schools at the end of July and in the first week in August.
4. Reduce class sizes by putting all certified educators back in the classroom. Right now all academic data coaches and instructional coaches can begin working with small groups of students. We should already have the “data” to offer this “differentiated instruction.”
5. Dismantle professional learning. We can partner with Georgia State, Mercer, Emory, Oglethorpe, and Agness Scott.
6. Eliminate any PR contracts. Thurmond is a gifted orator, and our students’ success is all the PR we need.
7. Give teachers back one work day this semester. Have academic data coaches, instructional coaches, and the army of instructional supervisors teach classes by rotating schools or disciplines.
living in an outdated ed system
February 16th, 2013
10:25 am
If Thurmond speaks at the hearing next Thursday on behalf of the board, then it is plainly clear that this situation is a complete disaster. If Governor Deal does not remove the board members, then he is equally at fault here.
I feel sorry for the children, most of all, because i just don’t see this situation being fixed the way that it has gone down, going against all logic in how governance is supposed to work.
Anonymous in DeKalb
February 16th, 2013
10:28 am
Mr. Thurmond, let DeKalb parents decide who is talking the most sense in offering solutions.
Give parents more choice options — starting with more charter schools — and let a free marketplace lead us out of the morass yesterday’s leaders have consigned our children to.
You have 99,000 reasons to ensure DeKalb won’t continue along the road to failure.
living in an outdated ed system
February 16th, 2013
10:30 am
And @Bootney, I actually found your letter well written, sir! Only exception is #2. Part of the problem with many superintendents is that they are devoid of any meaningful managerial experience. In many ways, it is equivalent to being a CEO. But a good leader has a strong team and thus a superintendent needs a COO or similar ilk that has exception education experience. My own career has been about succeeding when I didn’t have the tangible experience. But other than that, I support everything else in your well-written letter.
bootney farnsworth
February 16th, 2013
10:58 am
@ outdated
that’s (IMO) a problem overdue to be dealt with. it is possible to have supers who also have teaching experience. we just have to demand it – easier said than done, I know.
I have long called for a standard of x-many years in the classroom before qualifying as Vice Principal, Principal, ect. same should go for supers.. ideally it would be a teacher or principal who has an MBA to get the best of both worlds.
if I follow correctly, a good leader doesn’t necessarily need experience in anything but how to lead. step one is surround yourself with competent, quality people. step two is to let them do their jobs.
which is why there are so very few good leaders and so many crappy mamagers
bootney farnsworth
February 16th, 2013
11:01 am
@ maureen
any chance we can invite Mike to come and have a session with us? address these issues head on?
we’ll promise to be polite. can’t say we won’t be pointed, but will be polite.
whadda ya say?
Just Sayin
February 16th, 2013
11:06 am
Wow, not one single positive comment. The man has been hired less than a week and has not had a chance to do anything and every single comment is negative or in support of something someone else said negative. I’m not saying he shouldn’t be held accountable, but for god sakes stop making him already accountable for what other people did. He can’t get rid of the school board. All he can do is ask them to step down. They hired him, not the other way around. Why don’t the parents try to go higher in the state to get rid of them. Heck sue them. People sue for everything else. Sue them for fraud and financial mismangement. Now I don’t know if he is the best person for the job, but at least let him take a seat in his office before blaming in for the continuation of past ills.
@ Bernie..while what you said was well stated, it was a little aggressive towards someone that hasn’t really done anything to you or the system. Yes I know the situation is abysmal…. but dang.
bootney farnsworth
February 16th, 2013
11:12 am
@ just
if you can point out a single positive thing he’s done which merits praise, I love to see it.
any goodwill he might have had was tossed aside in his first moments when he began praising the exiting board.
if MIke were the Grand Dragon from Stone Mountain and appointed by Walker and co he’d not get the benefit of the doubt. why should Mike just cause he’s articulate and well connected?
bootney farnsworth
February 16th, 2013
11:14 am
sorry, existing, not exiting. wishful thinking on my part
George
February 16th, 2013
11:17 am
Give the dam teachers a raise and no more lost of pay.You want young no nothing ass teachers with these go ahead.TAKE CARE OF THE TEACHERS IT IS PAST TIME.
bu2
February 16th, 2013
11:25 am
@dekalbteacher
I agree that we need specific actions. Thurmond’s letter is a bunch of platitudes. We had 18 months of drifting with Tyson and the last year with Atkinson has got us nowhere. We need actions, not feel good speeches. He needs very quickly to come up with priorities and actions for next years budget. Where’s the beef?
RCB
February 16th, 2013
11:25 am
Today is auspicious indeed, because I really like the thoughtful responses from @Bernie AND @bootney!! That has never happened before, so I’m going to buy a lottery ticket today for the 3rd time in my life. Ha!
Grasshopper
February 16th, 2013
11:32 am
Lose the French cuffs Mr Thurmond.
They make you look like a dandy.
ShooShee
February 16th, 2013
11:34 am
“The citizens of DeKalb County have placed great trust in me. ”
No. The majority of the Board of Education placed their trust in you. The citizens had no choice. We are all just praying that your words are not as hollow as the words of your three latest predecessors. We are all taking a ‘wait and see’ approach. Actions speak. We’re waiting for action.
dekalbite
February 16th, 2013
11:46 am
DeKalb Schools is vortex that could easily suck Mr. Thurmond’s political aspirations under if vocal taxpayers/parents see no budgetary or student achievement results. If he has any future political aspirations, he needs to ensure the success of this appointment. Public relations does not impress parents when their children are sitting in overcrowded classrooms, and the teachers are telling them that they need soap and toilet paper and textbooks and working computers. There is nothing more vocal or organized than parents who are upset over their children, and no amount of PR can counter that. If he has any doubts about the need to deliver on student achievement and fiscal responsibility, he need only to look at the reputations of the last three superintendents of DeKalb. Even actions that showed they meant well were overlooked when DeKalb Schools could not get its fiscal house in order and show academic progress at the same rate as other school systems.
Maude
February 16th, 2013
11:59 am
Why now is he talking about the children when his first statements was about saving the jobs of the board members? He is now trying not to look like a paid spokes person for the board members.
hopespringseternal
February 16th, 2013
12:16 pm
Seriously, is it logical to ask this man to bite the hand which feeds him? I have a fondness for dealing in reality, not fantasy. So we can probably move on from calls for him to ask his employer (the board) to resign. Now for the reality – since no one believes that the central office is not top-heavy, start all over again with examining it and culling it. The smartest person can’t figure out the net effect of last year’s “cuts” to the CO, especially when many of them were moved to the schoolhouse in the name of “pushing resources closer to the classroom”. If class sizes are still large, what good did it do to “push resources”? We need an answer to this.
The district has no money. It will take a long time to recover from this blunt fact. Even if the picture becomes rosy this FY, the district will have to satisfy the prior year’s red ink first. That doesn’t bode well for restoring much of anything, sadly. The teachers’ backs are being broken. Assuming we can’t touch the prior years of TRS take-away because it is in litigation, maybe there can be a budgetary goal of putting it back, if only by a fraction, for upcoming years. And I hope that somebody is at the capitol and in the Finance office figuring out how to keep teachers from absorbing any potential health and welfare benefit increases. This is budget season. In a matter of weeks a budget will be presented – as will teacher contracts. We don’t have time for fluff. Be realistic. It’s all about headcount. Reduce headcount. And do it without touching actual teachers in actual classrooms. By week’s end, there will be 50 different definitions of “classroom teacher”. For example, Interrelated is classroom – and we must follow the law. But get the definition of classroom and protect it – then cull everything else.
To examine instructional programs is to state the obvious. Look at the various scheduling models and make a decision which is sound for students and don’t believe what hype is fed about how things are working so well. Give counselors and API’s time in their schedule to plan the semester – and stop allowing schedule changes sometimes as many as four weeks into the semester.
Student discipline. Where to begin? We need to face facts. No one can legislate parental involvement and eliminate apathy, but we can ensure the right of the learning student to have an uninterrupted day and we can stop putting teachers in a pickle when they insist that Johnny disrupts their class. I know it is difficult. But there MUST be some way to balance this. People aren’t running to schools out of their neighborhoods because they are so much worse, whatever that means. They run because their children deserve to be in a learning environment where their peers don’t torture them or otherwise interrupt – well – everything. I’ve run into a few mean and hateful teachers who really need another career path – but the vast majority is made up of caring teachers who deserve to not be insulted by having to put up with bad behavior. Try looking at some of the shuttered properties and repurposing them as “alternative school lite”. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth, but stand firm. In the end, parents will need to face hard facts about what their babies really do in school. I’ve seen some heinous behavior toward adults in the buildings. It’s really a shame that the adults have become so conditioned to this behavior that they don’t bother to call the kids on it. Whip us parents into fervor with helping out at home. If the district doesn’t have the resources to provide critical services, partner with those who can (Dept of Community Health, etc.) The school district partners with Juvenile Court but in the wrong direction. If a student incurs an infraction and you have him hauled into Juvenile Court, then the DA (or the parent!) should pay for his “program to get him back on the straight and narrow”. (STARS) Not the district.
Finally, be willing to lose your job. It’s the only you can do your job.
Beverly Fraud
February 16th, 2013
12:41 pm
Re: Wow, not one single positive comment.
Because he doesn’t deserve a single positive comment. Because he has been intellectually dishonest from the get go.
Because when he leaves, he will have ended up providing even more fodder to those who supported The Deal with the Devil™, Amendment 1, because compared to what Thurmond and company look ready to give us, The Deal with the Devil™ is starting to look like Heaven on Earth.
Beverly Fraud
February 16th, 2013
12:53 pm
“You have 99,000 reasons to ensure DeKalb won’t continue along the road to failure.”
Can we please stop the charade?
Simply put 275,000 > 99,000
dekalbite
February 16th, 2013
1:11 pm
“How can we do all that with a board of education that AdvancEd has said is a major part of the problem? Prior to accepting this job I asked each board member if they are willing to make the sacrifices necessary to lift us off probation and bring fundamental change to our system.”
What are the “sacrifices” the Board members must make to “lift us off probation and bring a fundamental change to our system”? That seems an odd turn of phrase.
Why should it be a “sacrifice” unless you are personally getting some perk or compensation that has stood in the way of the success of the organization and now you must give it up. If you were receiving such perks that stood in the way of the success of students, you should not be able to have a “do over”. Students who have missed out on their educational opportunities as they sat in huge classes with scant materials and frustrated teachers do not get a “do over”. This was/is the one chance most of them have for a decent education.
Beverly Fraud
February 16th, 2013
1:32 pm
Will the AJC be willing to ask any of the tough questions the bloggers have raised about specific suggestions?
Remains to be seen…
Taxpayer and Teacher
February 16th, 2013
1:50 pm
Smoke and mirrors. We the teachers have had enough!
Sickofit221
February 16th, 2013
1:52 pm
I simply want to know how these people sleep at night when some teachers can’t because they are working second jobs to make up what DeKalb County is stealing out of their pay checks. Who cares about the teachers. Also I have the same level of education that Mr. Thurman has and Mr. Walker didn’t call me.. I have been trying to move up for eight years and I can’t get an interview because of all the good old boy relationships going on in the County.
dekalbite@Just Sayin
February 16th, 2013
2:19 pm
Parents/taxpayers are upset because their perception is that Mr. Thurmond has close personal and professional connections with the Board Members who hired him while SACS has already said BOE member misbehavior is what has DeKalb Schools on probation. Going to the State BOE to plead the BOE members’ case that they do not need to be removed makes it seem he is more interested in preserving their administrative positions than moving students forward academically or addressing scholl system fiscal problems.
This same administration has not only been responsible for DCSS being on probation (that is clearly what SACS says), but it has also set all of the practices, policies, and procedures for the system and approved all of the funding expenditures that have had the result of DeKalb students not achieving at the same rate as their peers in demographically comparable school systems (look at scores for comparable school systems).
Three superintendents in the four years before Mr. Thurmond thought DeKalb’s problems were PR problems and acted accordingly. Perhaps parents/taxpayers can be forgiven for being somewhat skeptical.
One easy way for Mr. Thurmond to gain the trust of taxpayers is to post the Job Titles and Salary Schedules for non teaching personnel the way other school systems do. DeKalb Schools is the ONLY system in the metro area that posts NO titles or Salary Schedule information for non teaching personnel for taxpayers even though our non teaching personnel comprise the lions share in personnel numbers and compensation cost. This would be a good start in transparency and so easily done. Human Resources has all of the information. All they have to do is upload it. That could be done in the next week. Here is what it SHOULD look like if Mr. Thurmond wants to see how Forsyth does it:
http://www.forsyth.k12.ga.us/Page/35819
Prof
February 16th, 2013
2:20 pm
A great deal of anger here. Perhaps Mr. Thurmond didn’t/doesn’t know how much the DeKalb public knows about the internal politics here.
My own advice for him is not to under-estimate the DeKalb taxpayers and parents.
bootney farnsworth
February 16th, 2013
3:06 pm
is it logical to ask him to stand up to the board and do what he allegedly is supposed to do?
no.
for him to do this would require an inordinate amount of integrity and courage. but history is full of people doing remarkable things for the right reasons. even knowing it will cost them.
unfortunately, history is fuller or those who don’t.
regardless of Mike knowing it, or him caring about it, his is about to reveal to the world who and what he is. extraordinary man, or political wonk.
bootney farnsworth
February 16th, 2013
3:09 pm
I once heard JC Watts describe character as doing the right thing, even when no one is looking.
well, Mike, damn near the entire state is watching.
be a hero? be a political lady of the evening? worse, be nothing at all?
your choice.
bootney farnsworth
February 16th, 2013
3:10 pm
or, more simply:
Martin King, or Jesse Jackson.
which will it be Mr. Thurmond?
Disgusted in Dekalb
February 16th, 2013
3:47 pm
Dekalbite’s comments regarding Thurmond asking the board for “sacrifices” are quite astute. I’m wondering though how the board members took their quarter-million-dollar hire asking them for sacrifice.
Silent Jay
February 16th, 2013
3:52 pm
Thurmond’s appointment is an outrage. Everyone knows Chip Rogers is more qualified.
C. Tampa Ironworse
February 16th, 2013
4:16 pm
Thurmond is from Athens and So am I. I know him. He’s super shady, not to be trusted.
DeKalb Inside Out
February 16th, 2013
4:29 pm
HopeSpringsEternal said
“The district has no money.”
Nice try !! This BOE raised the mileage rate recently. The feds are giving more money. According to the GA DOE, school districts are receiving more money per student than they ever have.
It’s a common misconception that people enjoy propagating.
Dekalbite@Just Sayin
February 16th, 2013
4:36 pm
“Wow, not one single positive comment. The man has been hired less than a week and has not had a chance to do anything and every single comment is negative or in support of something someone else said negative.
Parents/taxpayers are upset because their perception is that Mr. Thurmond has close personal and professional connections with the Board Members who hired him while SACS has already said BOE member misbehavior is what has DeKalb Schools on probation. Going to the State BOE to plead the BOE members’ case that they do not need to be removed makes it seem he is more interested in preserving their administrative positions than moving students forward academically or addressing scholl system fiscal problems.
This same administration has not only been responsible for DCSS being on probation (that is clearly what SACS says), but it has also set all of the practices, policies, and procedures for the system and approved all of the funding expenditures that have had the result of DeKalb students not achieving at the same rate as their peers in demographically comparable school systems (look at scores for comparable school systems).
Three superintendents in the four years before Mr. Thurmond thought DeKalb’s problems were PR problems and acted accordingly. Perhaps parents/taxpayers can be forgiven for being somewhat skeptical.
One easy way for Mr. Thurmond to gain the trust of taxpayers is to post the Job Titles and Salary Schedules for non teaching personnel the way other school systems do. DeKalb Schools is the ONLY system in the metro area that posts NO titles or Salary Schedule information for non teaching personnel for taxpayers even though our non teaching personnel comprise the lions share in personnel numbers and compensation cost. This would be a good start in transparency and so easily done. Human Resources has all of the information. All they have to do is upload it. That could be done in the next week. Here is what it SHOULD look like if Mr. Thurmond wants to see how Forsyth does it:
http://www.forsyth.k12.ga.us/Page/35819
Bernie
February 16th, 2013
5:36 pm
Just Sayin @ 11:06 am – I refuse to apologize for pointing the very obvious and scandalous decision making in the appointment of Mr.Thurmond. My comments are NOT in any personally directed towards Mr. Thurmond, but at the circumstances around his hiring. I am certainly not the only one, who has pointed out this serious discrepancy in qualifications,educational experience, credentials required for the position of School Superintendent.
My comments are tough,honest and truthful that every Dekalb County Taxpayor,resident, school employee should be requesting of the Present school Board and Michael Thurmond himself. Why Him? From my perspective just because he is Lawyer does not automatically qualify him for the job. The written job description for that position states differently. So what special skill set will he actually bring to the table to improve the situation other than being politically connected. Unfortunately this is typical Georgia good ole boy politics at work. In our faces, without apology and without any explanation or discussion.
Yet if , you or I or any other applicant will be required to jump through HOOPS to demonstrate our ability to perform any job applied for. The first Hoop is meeting the stated criteria from the written job description as mandated for employment. The Job as School Superintendent is the most critical and important position for insuring the successful accomplishment of the day to day operations. The size,scope and budget of the Dekalb County school system demands a higher level of qualification, especially if it is in a managerial and financial crisis mode.
This decision of hiring Mr.Thurmond reeks of political cronyism to a level of being forced to drink a glass of Buttermilk, 2 months past its expiration date. If you are not aware of what that is like, then you should try it sometime.
I applaud Mr.Thurmond’s ability and skills of obtaining a successful negotiation in his favor for a handsomely rewarded pay package. Mr.Thurmond is an Attorney and negotiating is part of any Attorney’s job description. I would say Mr.Thurmond is very good at it, I might add.
However, is it fair to the Dekalb County Taxpayor? or other county school board employees who are required to comply with all stated job qualifications and its educational requirements? Is it fair to the parents and students who depend on the School Board to Hire the most qualified and competent person for that position? I think NOT! This decision too, of hiring Mr.Thurmond, should be now part of the school accreditation probation criteria possibility. Surely this hiring has violated in spirit and the actual written policy as stated in Dekalb County’s school policies and procedures regarding hiring protocols and responsibilities of the assigned position.
How could anything WRONG going in, produce something that will have the RIGHT expected outcome or results? people this is basic elementary logic!
Mr.Thurmond’s offer of a salary adjustment until proven and verified acceptable results are identified.
Results in a real and measurable way, would go a long way in reassuring ALL parties of his ability to perform at least of the level of a qualified candidate. This is a basic demand that should be upheld and NOT be compromised at ALL. No Matter what the many glowing praises of approval, we hear from other politicians and organizations.
MadTeacher
February 16th, 2013
5:48 pm
.Please hire technology literate media specialist that know how to use up to date technology. We need media specialists that collaborate and teach not ones that just sit behind the desk and check out books to students. We need some one that is familiar with the common core standards.
ShooShee
February 16th, 2013
5:58 pm
Good point about the request to ’sacrifice’, dekalbite. Wonder what he means… what kind of ’sacrifice’ will the Board have to give up? That is such an odd statement.
BrainyBetty
February 16th, 2013
5:59 pm
I think Mr. Thurmond’s educational inexperience is showing. He just approved the appointment of a principal to move from one school to another in the middle of the year leaving the first school with a substitute principal for the rest of the year. What person with educational experience would do that ? I guess the students and parents of the Oak Grove community are disposable.
This is Mrs. Norman Maine
February 16th, 2013
6:01 pm
Mr. Thurmond, you have always demonstrated integrity in the work you do and I have faith in you but the first thing you must do is get the board to quit-in totem. If I thought they could work a miracle and put on the dog and pony show SACS is asking for, I would accept that but I know they can’t.
jd
February 16th, 2013
6:24 pm
Does Mr. Thurmond have children? Did they attend DeKalb Co. schools?
Dekalbite
February 16th, 2013
7:20 pm
Not sure why I’m caught in the filter.
Call Me Missouri
February 16th, 2013
7:21 pm
@ Just Saying: Regarding the upcoming hearing on the 21st, Mr.Thurmond said,“I will articulate the facts and make the case on behalf of the DeKalb school district at the hearing on Feb. 21. I look forward to the opportunity.”
This is probably just ONE reason why Mr. Thurmond has not received many positive comments. It would appear that this was his strongest qualification for the job as interim superintendent. The person most likely to get the BOE off the hook. Other than the 300,000+ in salary and benefits, why is he trying to help the entity that is most detrimental to DCSD accreditation? I believe some people were willing to give him a chance until he opened his mouth and out came Eugene Walker’s voice. Also, Mr. Thurmond writes that each board member has “stated without reservation that they were ready and willing to meet the standards set by our accreditors.” Well, if they were going to do that they should have and would have done it before now. Besides, Mr. Walker says they haven’t done anything egregious so that must be true as well. Right?
Let the BOE speak for themselves. Mr. Walker seems able to speak for himself- especially when comes to offering excuses. It is time for this board to answer for their actions. Mr. Thurmond should be speaking to AND for the students, parents, employees, and taxpayers who have been and still are adversely affected by the ineptitude, fiscal mismanagement, and malfeasance of our school board “representatives.”
Another comment
February 16th, 2013
8:10 pm
I believe that the teachers are being really unfair, trying to push this BS line that only someone with teaching experiences can be a School Superintendent. It is a CEO, or a COO position. The position needs someone who knows how to manage a large organization with many parts. Especially, knows how to manage the complex budget, legal, HR decisions and is able to be the face of the organization. A person who is a great manager at this level is a generalist, with great people skills, business sauve and financial knowledge. Otherwise they bankrupt the firm. You then hire the best people you can in each of the positions below you the direct reports. People who may and should be smarter than you in a more narrow field. There should not be nepotism, or hiring of soriety/frat sisters and bros, or only blacks, it should be the most qualified candidate. If you hire the most qualified candidate, you will natural get a diverse work force. You will not get so and so’s brother or sister, or New Birth Church Members, but you will be attractive to a higher quality diverse work force.
Throw out all the canned programs. That will save all the renewal fees. I will tell you right now that none of the better private schools use any of these canned learning programs. The Private Schools guarantee you will have no more than 25, 22, or 17 or as low as 6-8 children in your class ( special needs Sophia Academy) They least expensive Catholic Schools have 25 students, the more expensive have 22, Westminster at $22K+ has only 17 kids per class. In the private schools the children are drilled the old fashoned way on first addition single number, double, triple, then subtraction, then multiplication tables to 12. You have 10 minute drills of 100 math problems that leave the kids in tears, but it works. Reading, is required! Vocab lists, and spelling words are nightly homework, with the words written over and over. Lets not forget, that Private schools do not hire any teachers that do not speak or write proper English. No “ax” for “ask” or any of the other numerous common incorrect utterances by many Georgia Public School teachers who graduate from HBC’s.
Use the money from the canned programs to hire more teachers, not aids. Seperate the kids out by IQ. It is a known fact that the lower IQ kids bully the higher IQ kids, for being too white, for being smart. My daughter is constantly bullied because she scores 99% tile on the IOWA’s . Then she gets sick and doesn’t go to school. Let kids like her have a change, get rid of the fake gifted that are based on who you know, or whose butt you kiss. Let the Kids that are just above average have their own classes just as the average kids need their own. Then put the special needs and the problem children each in their own classes with the extra teachers to get them back on track. They distrupt the learning and the classroom of the average and above students, it is not fair.
Georgia
February 16th, 2013
8:17 pm
I think Bernie’s analogy of drinking buttermilk after the expiration date (isn’t that how they make cottage cheese?) is a good one. Certainly Mr. Thurmond’s blog piece is a drink most of us can’t swallow. But he has to start somewhere, doesn’t he? Read his appeal. There’s really no major errors in spelling or punctuation, and he does inspire confidence in the fact that he is an outsider who satisfies none of the criteria demanded by every single commenter on this “Get Schooled” (which is a play on “get screwed”) blog; which means: he’s perfect. As long as everyone is offended, then I’m encouraged. Let this good man wave his wand around for a few semesters and then we’ll all decide if he’s been a wise choice. But so far, after reading his calming appeal, and contrasting it with the barely-justified comments, I gotta go strong with Mr. Thurmond.
Let he who is without spin text the first no.
gm
February 16th, 2013
8:26 pm
How many times have people in Dekalb ever seen Michel Thurmond at any school board meetings in the last 15 years? MT is a vampire who sees money he will collect 110k, this man was a joke at the Department of Labor the inside employees could not stand him.
Michael Thurmond never lobbied for 12 years for increase in state employees pay raise yet he collected his 150K and went along his business, truly Michel Thurmond if you cared about the kids in Dekalb county you would not take this kind of money knowing this country can not afford it.
Georgia
February 16th, 2013
8:34 pm
The only thing Donald Trump ever said that I agree with is that “one million dollars is no longer a lot of money”. STFU about the money Mr Thurmond is getting. If you’re so simple that you think that you deserve more money for your own work than your employer is willing to pay you, then I’ve got a work-at-home scam-spam-sham to sell you. Go to I’matotalmoron.com and click click click.
Oh, brother
Dekalbite
February 16th, 2013
8:48 pm
One easy way for Mr. Thurmond to gain the trust of taxpayers is to post the Job Titles and Salary Schedules for non teaching personnel the way other school systems do. DeKalb Schools is the ONLY system in the metro area that posts NO titles or Salary Schedule information for non teaching personnel for taxpayers even though our non teaching personnel comprise the lions share in personnel numbers and compensation cost. This would be a good start in transparency and so easily done. Human Resources has all of the information. All they have to do is upload it. That could be done in the next week. Here is what it SHOULD look like if Mr. Thurmond wants to see how Forsyth does it:
http://www.forsyth.k12.ga.us/Page/35819
CompetenceNotDiversity
February 16th, 2013
8:59 pm
If I hear the word diversity one more time I honestly think I will vomit. Diveristy is so far down the list of what Dekalb needs (or needs to be talking about) it’s comical. Somewhere along the way the libs slavish devotion to the artificial concept of diversity blinded them to the attributes they really should be seeking in leaders – you know, the old-fashioned ones like competence, commitment, integrity and accountability. But instead of those things we get “diversity”. Isn’t that special.
Starik
February 16th, 2013
10:04 pm
Yes, and the AJC could post the numbers too. Please?
William
February 16th, 2013
10:37 pm
Why don’t you give a SAT test to every board member. those who can’t score high enough to get into Tech/UGA should be immediately fired and sued for the recovery of all the past salaries paid … easy enough. That should leave only one or two incompetent’s remaining.
Edward
February 16th, 2013
10:42 pm
Thank goodness this mess is almost over. 2 more years and Dunwoody can leave the Dekalb SS rot with the rest of S. Dekalb. You definitely get the government (or in this case, school system) that you deserve. (here’s a hint… just because he’s a “Doctor’ doesn’t mean he’s not a simple-minded idiot)
RAMZAD
February 16th, 2013
11:27 pm
It is my view that until the current DeKalb County School Board is completely discredited and abandoned- very little will change in the System. The Board is the problem. Very few can truly identify that Dr. Atkinson generated the lack of confidence that became characteristic of the people the System is supposed to serve. However the Board is accomplished in the scorn it has attracted.
Jack ®
February 17th, 2013
7:31 am
Naysayers are a dime a dozen. Give Mr. T a chance and then crucify him.
Beverly Fraud
February 17th, 2013
7:40 am
Naysayers are a dime a dozen. Give Mr. T a chance and then crucify him
He was given a chance Jack; then his first action was to state he would defend the board.
Says it all right there.
Beverly Fraud
February 17th, 2013
7:53 am
STFU about the money Mr Thurmond is getting.
Why should a taxpayer be silent about the money they are paying Michael Thurmond?
Blindsided
February 17th, 2013
8:02 am
Mr. Thurmond,
We teachers know what your appointment, and inaugural speech mean……we’ve heard it soooooo many times before. (My 40th year). The ‘Palace Privileged’, attempting to hang on to their jobs, will demand even MORE from overworked classroom teachers, to satisfy your demands.
Here’s how it works:
1. The incompetent Board threatens the Super. (Super Mannequin)
2. The ‘Super Mannequin’ threatens the ‘Palace Privileged’.
3. The ‘Palace Privileged’ threaten principals, and classroom teachers.
4. More testing, data collection and inane paper work is demanded of teachers.
TESTING IS NOT TEACHING!!!!!
DeKalb teachers are mad as hell at being expected, for soooo long, to make the Palace crew “look good”.
Any questions???
Bill
February 17th, 2013
8:23 am
Lots of criticism here of “world class” as a goal. I guess everyone would have been happy if he had said, “we are going to bring DeKalb schools all the way up to mediocre.”
The Deal
February 17th, 2013
8:30 am
I know I haven’t been in this fight for as long as some of you (only 7 years), but I might have reached my breaking point with this latest action (hiring Thurmond and threat of lawsuit). DCSD has been in some state of flux for the entire school career of my oldest, and I’m just not sure how much more of her time I want to spend waiting for one shred of evidence from the board or administration that students and their academic achievement are their number one focus. Sometimes I think, what more of a sign am I looking for to get out? How much drama and fury do I want to continue to allow into our life? None of DCSD’s problems are accidents, and they are all man made. There are people out there who don’t have to spend one minute questioning the motives of their school leaders. How freeing would that be? I just don’t understand the type of person (our board members) that can continue to live in denial that they are not wanted. I will retain hope until the hearing this week. We’ll see what happens.
worried about the numbers
February 17th, 2013
8:35 am
Dear Mr. Thurmond,
I am trying to retain hope that you will be able to help us. But if Dr. Walker really is putting his own interests aside and the district’s first, then he will resign. He is not the only problem, but as the chair during an absolutely dismal year, as the primary reason among the current members that Dr. Atkinson was hired and fired the way she was, he is the most responsible, the most culpable.
And you must not speak for the BOE. If you have any hope of gaining our trust (no, you do not have it yet), this is absolutely crucial. They must be accountable.
Finally, you need to stop listening to the people who are giving you information, and start talking to the teachers and parents directly. You wrote “Just two years ago, citizens and parents pushed aside parochial concerns to approve a massive redistricting plan because it provided the best outcome for the district.” That made me laugh out loud in disbelief. Citizens and parents approved the redistricting? As if!! Citizens and parents had to fight tooth and nail to alter a completely preposterous redistricting plan that was based on false data and false assumptions (and yes, I have detailed documentation). When it was finally done, it was less bad than originally, that’s the most I can say.
You really need to stop writing things like that or it makes you look unaware at best or manipulative at worst.
Beverly Fraud
February 17th, 2013
8:55 am
“Just two years ago, citizens and parents pushed aside parochial concerns to approve a massive redistricting plan because it provided the best outcome for the district.” That made me laugh out loud in disbelief.
For those who want to “give Thurmond a chance.” You know it really is ok to say someone is lying, when they are in fact lying.
And it is ok to question someone’s integrity when they are in fact lying.
Sorry if that sounds harsh, but it is what it is…
catlady
February 17th, 2013
9:01 am
Another comment: It isn’t just HBC/U grads that speak incorrectly. Our speech therapist, who holds an ed specialist degree, says, “have went” and “had did” constantly. Her BS is from UGA. We have administrators that do the same. When I was in a teacher prep program years ago, if you spoke or wrote incorrectly you were not admitted to teacher ed, and had no hope of getting the degree until you could demonstrate correct speaking and writing!
How many superintendents are Dekalb taxpayers financing right now?
Principal Skinner
February 17th, 2013
9:03 am
Lots of criticism here of “world class” as a goal. I guess everyone would have been happy if he had said, “we are going to bring DeKalb schools all the way up to mediocre.”
Actually, Yes, that would have been better because it would at least be in the realm of possibility.
What he did say was like a new Pee Wee football coach saying, “We’re going to win the Super Bowl next year.”
Sherry
February 17th, 2013
9:06 am
As a former employee of Mr. Thurmond while he was the Director of Family and Children Services and I am now an educator in another metro Atlanta county, I must say that Mr. Thurmond is a competent individual and will provide sound guidelines and steps for strategically improving the state of the Dekalb county school system. Allow him the opportunity to let his actions be seen before you begin to judge his incompetence.
L. Davis
February 17th, 2013
9:07 am
If you are vice-president of the United States, your salary is $230,700. Thurmond is making $275,000. It should be NO surprise to the county that the citizenry is skeptical.
Beverly Fraud
February 17th, 2013
9:21 am
How many superintendents are Dekalb taxpayers financing right now?
Catlady, shouldn’t that be, “How many superintendents is DeKalb taxpayers financing right now?”
dekalbite@worried about the numbers
February 17th, 2013
9:29 am
I also ound Mr. Thurmond’s comment regarding redistricting at odds with the facts. In DeKalb the last redistricting was extremely contentious and the very definition of “parochial” as each faction squared off against each other.
Who was Mr. Thurmond getting his information from? Better to do a little research and read about what happened in DeKalb’s last redistricting effort:
“…..attendance boundaries, the process bogged down into a yearlong battle with rowdy meetings and allegations of racism.
Now, with more changes underway, officials seem headed for more controversy. But this time parents won’t have a year to boil over.”
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/dekalb-school-redistricting-plans-to-be-in-place-b/nTPfC/
“Fight over DeKalb redistricting will be ugly”
http://southdekalb.wordpress.com/2011/01/21/fight-over-dekalb-redistricting-will-be-ugly/
“Hundreds Attend DeKalb Redistricting Meeting”
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/hundreds-attend-dekalb-redistricting-meeting/nJQz3/
“DeKalb’s redistricting plans have come under fire from communities across the county. ”
http://www.11alive.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=175552
DeKalb ended up with much less redistricting than the consultant recommended and the our budget needed and the BOE’s solution was to increase class sizes.
Gwinnett redistricts constantly with very little controversy, unlike DeKalb. One reason Gwinnett has such little controversy is that all of the schools in Gwinnett are pretty standard in the services they offer students. Art, music, band, class sizes, size of school, teacher competency, technology, discipline, facilities, etc. are consistent from school to school. The services and opportunities students get in a school in a low income area are consistent with what you get in a high income area. That is not true for DeKalb.
I guess redistricting which we sorely need is up to you now Mr. Thurmond.
aecotten
February 17th, 2013
9:49 am
Already the 7 members of the BOE has told you a Lie… As I’ve been reading, your friend, E. Walker has publicly come out saying they will take a course of litigation if the Gov. asks them to step down. TWO members have publicly agreed, if they are asked to do so, they would for the betterment of the kids.
That is NOT being “ready and willing to meet the standards set by our accreditors.”
Lee
February 17th, 2013
9:49 am
“Naysayers are a dime a dozen. Give Mr. T a chance and then crucify him.”
What was that line from the movie (Judge Roy Bean, I think. Maybe it was Evil Roy Slade?):
“We’re going to give you a fair trial, then hang you.”
bootney farnsworth
February 17th, 2013
9:59 am
@ another
you obviously have spent less than zero time around or on an HBCU. but I respect your right to be publically ignorant. party on.
having worked at GPC, and having my work take to several HBCUs over the eons I was there, not to mention places like Villa Rica, Summerville, and Andersonville, I can state with dead certainty two things
1-bad grammer is not exclusive to race. most HBCU students had a much better grasp of grammer and usage than their UGA counterparts.
2-you really gotta deal with your racial obsession. its true race is a major underlying issue in almost everything which occurs in Atlanta and must be aired out. but where you go……that’s a place I’ve no interest in visiting
bootney farnsworth
February 17th, 2013
10:01 am
Mike T aborted his chance to be heard on a broader stage when he came out so publically for the board.
he had his chance. not our fault if he blew it
bootney farnsworth
February 17th, 2013
10:06 am
@ Georgia
thank you for endorsing the failed and corrupt status quo.
you may be content to allow more generations of DeKalb kids to be underserved, more tax dollars wasted, and more nepotism and corruption to occur. you may even be happy with DCSS getting a SACS endorsement removed.
most of the rest of us, however, are not.
bootney farnsworth
February 17th, 2013
10:09 am
@ principal S
I would have been estatic if he’d said his goal was to plug the leaks and get the ship upright again.
whenever someone throws out things like “world class”, “best practices”, ect its obvious they have spend their time reading, not actually doing.
Anonymous in DeKalb
February 17th, 2013
10:49 am
Wonder if the new superintendent of schools entrusted his own children’s education to traditional public schools?
Wonder if our moderator will ask?
bootney farnsworth
February 17th, 2013
11:29 am
DCSS is already “world class. a “world class” joke
bu2
February 17th, 2013
11:31 am
At least 3 board members do have children in DCSS (Jester, Orson, Edler).
Married with (School) Children
February 17th, 2013
11:34 am
Beverly @ February 17th, 2013 9:21 am: “Catlady, shouldn’t that be, ‘How many superintendents is DeKalb taxpayers financing right now?’
I think Catlady was correct. In her sentence, the word ‘DeKalb’ is an adjective… drop it from the sentence and the sentence becomes “How many superintendents are taxpayers financing right now?”
BTW, I hope you continue to use your moniker. We need a constant reminder so that we will not fall for another charlatan!
GrD
February 17th, 2013
12:11 pm
@married with…it was a joke.
GrD
February 17th, 2013
12:25 pm
and the narcissists continue….hateful, venomous, blinded by their deeply ingrained anger, hate, and prejudices. ignoring the other ills and everything else. it will never end….but yes it will( the open borders). they contribute nothing, channel all the ills of their lives into hammering away on the keyboard their daily vitriol and diatribe.
Prof
February 17th, 2013
1:29 pm
Several here have asked the reasonable question about where Michael Thurmond schooled his own children, or if he used public schools for their education. Some quick Googling: he seems to have schooled his daughter Mikaya in either Athens, GA, or South Carolina, though we don’t know if it was in private or public schooling. Facts to arrive at this deduction:
He’s now 60. Born in 1953 in Clarke County (home of Athens), and educated at the U. South Carolina. Returned in the 1970s to practice law in Athens. Then in 1986 he was elected State Representative from Clarke County, an office he held till 1998 when he was elected Labor Commissioner.
It seems pretty evident that his first-hand experience with K-12 education, whether public or private, does NOT include DeKalb County. Make of that what you will.
Southern opinion
February 17th, 2013
1:56 pm
None of the citizens put trust in you. All this was done without any community input.
Wilbur
February 17th, 2013
3:15 pm
Thurmond’s calls for sacrifice might ring truer if he were sacrificing a bit himself.
Dekalbite@Prof
February 17th, 2013
3:59 pm
Woodward Academy – an excellent private school
Charles Douglas Edwards
February 17th, 2013
4:49 pm
We wish the Dekalb County Schools and Michael Thurmond the best of luck and success during these difficult times.
Dekalb County Schools has the potential to be one of the TOP school systems in Georgia.
Call Me Iris
February 17th, 2013
6:01 pm
This is really Private Citizen posting, just practicing the for registration change-over with the limbering of language. Sam, Shirley, or Jiang Janou. Hey, I saw my former student today, now an adult, walked right up to me and gave me a solid handshake. Wow. Felt good, affirmation.No nonsense. Stopped and visited a teacher friend today. Person is totally stressed out. The home is a shell of it’s former warmth. If I made a guess, this person is probably having thoughts of skipping state. Said they will see how it goes in the coming year. Currently lots and lots of stress, and over what? This is a person with glowing work reviews the prior year, but it all changes so quickly, based on politics. Strange predicament for a professional to be in. Of my five closest teacher friends, three of them have resigned this year. That leaves two, including this one I visited today.
Call Me Iris
February 17th, 2013
6:05 pm
“Getting financial house in order” is certainly welcome news, and a good indicator on the right side of the fence, as this is something that teachers can not do and depend upon higher administration.
concernedmom30329
February 17th, 2013
6:17 pm
It is better that he has no ties to DeKalb. That is a plus.
Prof
February 17th, 2013
8:25 pm
@Private Citizen. “…can anyone confirm, are they removing health-insurance supplementing from Georgia TRS retirement?”
TRS does not provide any health benefits for retirees. The State Health Benefit Plan, not available to USG employees, can only be continued after retirement if you’re already a member. This SHBP was technically insolvent as of 2010 (see http://www.mygrsa.com for details).
You may be referring to House Bill 263, providing that retirees pay the entire premium for their “school personnel post-retirement health benefit fund,” and I would guess relates to SHBP. So far, HB 263 has passed the House 2nd Readers.
Prof
February 17th, 2013
8:30 pm
Sorry–that website link is http://www.mygsra.com/shbp-changes
ShooShee
February 17th, 2013
9:01 pm
It’s pretty obvious to most of us – Michael Thurmond has gotten all of his information from Gene Walker. IMHO, we have been set up. It the Governor doesn’t intervene, we are going down.
Private Citizen
February 17th, 2013
11:57 pm
Even the great and powerful Dr. No was put down in the end. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVbTlfxd12I
teach one
February 17th, 2013
11:59 pm
Enter your comments here
jlmdra
February 18th, 2013
7:17 am
Emory University president James Wagner has apologized for a controversial column in which he called the deal between states which counted slaves as three-fifths of a person political compromise at its best.
Dekalbite
February 18th, 2013
9:24 am
I was at the Lakeside City meeting (Lakeside is trying to form a city) last week. The auditorium seats 600 and all the seats were taken by the time I got there so many people were standing including me. Time and time again the question came up – how can we get out from under the DeKalb County School System? What can Lakeside City do to correct this school system? The speaker, Mary Kay Woodworth, finally just had to say no more questions about the school system. That one question by far dominated this huge gathering.
YOU ARE SUPERMAN
February 18th, 2013
11:05 am
I very much agree with my fellow citizens. Thurmond is a snow job and it rarely snows in Georgia. So once again we find ourselves further handicapped by unethical practices by the school board. I first felt hopeful until I heard about his commitment to help the board.
We are superman and must demand that the governor wipe out this board ASAP. Closing school from one sector of the county was not accepted by that community. Why are schools getting face lifts(MLK) and (SWDHS) a fine arts facility on the backs of the southwest corridor? These new 10 plans will close even more schools in the same area. If the board or Thurmond was genuine all projects in the county not in progress would be frozen. They would focus on correcting the findings in the fiscal audit i.e. eliminate 40 million from central office. Review and then send Atkinson’s unqualified team packing. This will help the fiscal budget and start restoring employee morale. These two tasks are no brainers.
Pardon My Blog
February 18th, 2013
11:39 am
@Dekalbite – what we DON’T need is to form yet another city because the driving force would be all about schools. Don’t let them fool you into this, just adding more taxes to an already high tax bill is NOT what we need. These same people instituted changes at Lakeside and were behind Lewis 100% and then bailed, sending their kids to Private Schools when they saw the fruits of their labor!
Step 1 – Remove the Board and let the State step in.
Step 2 – Remove Thurmond, I think he was hired under false pretenses anyway.
Step 3 – Discontinue any more payments to Tyson, etc.
Step 4 – Petition the state to allow areas such as Lakeside and Druid Hills to become Charter Clusters, having their respective Boards made up of professionals and current parents that have skin in the game.
Be careful Mr. Thurmond, your total ignorance and ineptitude to do a good job is showing. And I do think we need an answer as to where his children actually went to school!
Prof
February 18th, 2013
12:18 pm
@ Pardon My Blog. Dekalbite has already told us yesterday at 3:59 pm: Woodward Academy.
Huntley Hills Tiger
February 18th, 2013
1:19 pm
“All nine board members stated without reservation that they were ready and willing to meet the standards set by our accreditors. They have 99,000 reasons to put “my district” concerns aside. They are determined to work together and make hard decisions – political and otherwise – in order to rebuild public trust.”
That sound you’ve heard repeatedly since he was hired until this was posted 2 days ago? The collective heads of virtually all that have a stake in DCSS exploding. I know mine did.
If you disagree with the idea that working to improve/save DCSS is mutually exclusive from saving the current board, I can only say that while I will always respect the right for any & all to disagree with me in public discourse, I have the equal right to point out you’ve been living on a different planet from me.
Golfer
February 19th, 2013
1:48 pm
THE BOARD NEED TO GO