Reaction of education groups to Obama gun proposals

Snow-covered stuffed animals with photos attached sit at a memorial in Newtown, Conn. Tuesday, Dec. 25, 2012. People continue to visit memorials after gunman Adam Lanza walked into Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Friday, Dec. 14, and opened fire, killing 26, including 20 children, before killing himself. (AP Photo/Craig Ruttle)

Snow-covered stuffed animals with photos attached sit at a memorial in Newtown. (AP Photo/Craig Ruttle)

President Barack Obama proposed universal background checks and prohibitions on military-style assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines like the ones used in the Newtown where a gunman killed 26 people, including 20 children, in an elementary school last month.

According to the AJC:

A month after that horrific massacre, Obama also used his presidential powers to enact 23 measures that don’t require the backing of lawmakers. The president’s executive actions include ordering federal agencies to make more data available for background checks, appointing a director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, and directing the Centers for Disease Control to research gun violence.

Related, Gov. Nathan Deal told the Georgia Chamber of Commerce’s annual Eggs and Issues breakfast this morning that he sees value in the controversial proposal of Rep. Paul Battles, R-Cartersville, to allow  local school boards to arm principals if they so choose, according to a Morris News Service story

“That one does have some merit,” said Deal, in what is as close as he ever gets to endorsing anyone else’s proposals. “If someone is going to be in an environment around children, they certainly need to be trained. I think it’s one that may receive favorable consideration by the General Assembly”

Here is reaction from some education groups to the Obama plan:

The National Association of School Resource Officers Executive Director Mo Canady:

The President’s proposals demonstrate that his administration fully understands the training and role of specially trained, carefully selected school resources officers. The White House proposals are right on target in this regard.

We’re happy that the President’s proposal does not mention armed guards. Instead, it refers only to specially trained school resource officers. There’s been a lot of confusion about armed guards recently and NASRO agrees that SROs are the only armed persons who should work on school campuses. To arm others, especially educators or volunteers, could be a recipe for disaster.

The president is absolutely correct to advocate for a comprehensive emergency management plan for every school. NASRO has helped schools develop such plans for years. We’re ready and eager to help the administration create model plans for schools.

National Education Association President Dennis Van Roekel:

The senseless tragedy in Newtown was a tipping point and galvanization for action. As educators, we have grieved too long and too often—for the children killed, their families and the heroic educators who gave their lives trying to protect their students. Now more than ever we need to do what is necessary to make sure every child in our nation’s public schools has a safe and secure learning environment.

We commend President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden for moving swiftly and presenting concrete, bold steps to keep children safe and begin addressing gun violence in America. We believe the common-sense recommendations put forth by President Obama are an important first step toward keeping children safe, providing more support for students and educators, and keeping military-style weapons out of the hands of those who shouldn’t have them. To solve the problem, we must have not only meaningful action on preventing gun violence but also bullying prevention and much greater access to mental health services, so that educators and families can identify problems and intervene before it’s too late.

U.S. Secretary of Education Arne Duncan:

I have been proud to serve President Obama and this administration since day one, but today was one of my proudest days. The actions that the President is taking and proposing to reduce gun violence echo what America’s educators say they need to better protect and support students in school and in their communities. I thank the President and Vice President Biden for leading this critical national conversation. America’s schools are among the safest places in our country. The President’s comprehensive approach will make schools and communities safer.

We will never fully understand why 20 first-graders and six educators were gunned down at Sandy Hook Elementary School — or why still more students and educators lost their lives at Columbine, Chardon or Red Lake high schools, Westside Middle School, Virginia Tech or the many other campuses and communities in our country where guns have cut short dreams and created fear. We can, however, take a number of common-sense steps to help prevent future tragedies.

We can expand student support systems by allowing communities to decide what they need most, including more school resource officers, psychologists, social workers and counselors. A renewed commitment to students’ mental and emotional well-being is key.

Helping schools reduce bullying, drug abuse, other forms of violence and problem behaviors is also vital. And as we seek to prevent tragedies, we cannot be reluctant to do research and collect data so we can understand the causes of gun violence.

Our goals are simple: fewer children dying from gun violence and fewer children living in fear. Harder to realize are the policies, actions, and value changes necessary to reach those goals.

Today, looking into the eyes of parents who have lost children due to gun violence, I am more committed than ever, and the President is, too. Those parents’ unimaginable heartbreak and extraordinary strength must motivate us to act. Now is the time. Our children, families, educators, communities and our country deserve better. We can’t let them down.

American Federation of Teachers President Randi Weingarten:

The tragic events of Newtown must serve as a clarion call for immediate action to keep our communities safe from gun violence and ensure schools are the safe sanctuaries our children need to learn and grow. We applaud President Obama and Vice President Biden for heeding this call for action with a series of common-sense, balanced proposals that will make our nation safer, including:

•Banning the sale of the kind of large ammunition clips that were used to massacre 26 children and adults and injure others at Sandy Hook Elementary School;

•Expanding background checks before purchasing a gun and cracking down on those who lie on background checks;

•Cracking down on illegal gun trafficking;

•Banning assault weapons that have no other use but to kill a large number of people quickly;

•Enforcing current gun laws and investing in research around combating gun violence; and

•Investing in mental health services.

Schools across our country are in desperate need of resources to create safe, secure and nurturing learning environments, and we are glad the president has recognized that need. Some schools, due to their remoteness or following horrendous tragedies such as the massacre in Newtown, may decide that appropriately trained police officers are necessary. Other schools may decide instead that more school guidance counselors, social workers and psychologists are needed. These decisions should be made by individual school communities following safety audits.

Under no circumstances should educators have the responsibility of being armed, and schools should not become armed fortresses. The role of educators is to teach and nurture our children, not to be armed guards.

National PTA President Betsy Landers:

National PTA applauds President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden for the robust plan they put forth today addressing gun violence prevention. For decades, National PTA has called on parents, educators, community members, and government to prioritize this issue to ensure a safe learning environment for all students.

National PTA agrees with the Administration in that we need to offer safety training and comprehensive mental health services as well as to implement:

•Universal background checks for the sale and possession of firearms;

•A ban on non-sporting ammunition in high-capacity magazines.

•Reenactment and expansion of an effective federal ban on the sale and possession of military-style assault weapons.

As the President conveyed in his remarks, our No. 1 task, as a nation, is to protect our children. To achieve this, National PTA believes schools also must be completely gun-free. The Administration’s recommendation to expand the school resource officer program therefore comes as a disappointment.

Despite this, National PTA praises the Administration’s swift action and looks forward to the implementation of these new proposals and executive actions as well as additional bipartisan legislative solutions.

The National Association of Secondary School Principals and the National Association of Elementary School Principals

NASSP and NAESP applaud President Obama for his proposals to reduce gun violence and we pledge our support to ongoing efforts to make those proposals a reality. The president’s proposals reflect many of the recommendations that our organizations submitted last week to Vice President Biden. We’re encouraged by the call for support for more resource officers, school counselors, and psychologists, and that the decisions are made locally with schools. The recognition of the importance of open lines of communication among schools, community health agencies, and law-enforcement officials is also commendable. Stronger efforts to reduce bullying will be met with wide acceptance from school leaders, as will more resources to identify and address mental health issues and more training for educators to constructively participate in those efforts.

NAESP and NASSP are calling for more coordination between education and mental health service systems as a part of the comprehensive movement to prevent future gun and related violence in schools. Principals and mental health service providers need the ability to get students and their families the help they need more quickly without unnecessary policy barriers. “Principals should be able to have immediate access to services for children who repeatedly demonstrate disturbing behaviors. Not years later,” said NAESP Executive Director, Gail Connelly. “The Administration and Congress must help set the models for how schools and communities can work together to serve and protect all students. This is the type of systemic change our nation needs to put an end to the horrible violence like Sandy Hook,” she said.

JoAnn Bartoletti, NASSP Executive Director, commented, “No one internalizes more than principals what President Obama called our first task as a society: To keep our children safe. Within schools, that safety relies not on guns, but on trusting relationships and a feeling of belonging.” Similarly, the best way to defend against an attack from the outside is to prevent it by maintaining open communication among various community agencies and entities, which increases the chances of threat detection. We thank the president and vice president for the opportunity to participate in the process that led to these proposals and we look forward to working with them in the coming months to further their effect.”

–from Maureen Downey, for the AJC Get Schooled blog

49 comments Add your comment


January 16th, 2013
3:23 pm

Thank you, President Obama. Prayers are with you as you tackle what is obviously going to be a major battle for what is right for our children and this nation.

10:10 am

January 16th, 2013
3:40 pm

The only two “education groups” you could find were teachers’ unions, Maureen?

Did you think to ask Jeanne Allen (Center for Education Reform) or Michelle Rhee—both recent subjects of this blog—their opinions?

Don't Tread

January 16th, 2013
3:51 pm

Mass shootings in so-called “gun-free zones” and the solution is….make more “gun-free zones”. That makes perfect sense.

0bama’s kids benefit from armed protection in their school (not to mention everywhere else), but for Joe Average’s kids – no, that’s not a solution, according to the hypocrites.

Georgia Dad

January 16th, 2013
4:02 pm

The children of all Presidents have secret service protection. Quit drinking the NRA’s kool-aid.


January 16th, 2013
4:08 pm

Georgia Dad,

You missed the point.


January 16th, 2013
4:20 pm

Armed guards at every school in the United States is among the dumbest things I’ve ever heard. Don’t suppose the NRA has a plan for funding that?


January 16th, 2013
4:22 pm

FYI, I’m a Conservative that believes in the 2nd Amendment. NRA is nothing but another ridiculous lobby.

I’m sure the gun manufacturers that are paying the NRA’s bills had nothing to do with the suggestion of the addition of armed guards. I’m sure they’d see little profit in arming a few hundred thousand people.

Annie Grandview

January 16th, 2013
4:26 pm

Georgia Dad and jarvis, did the NRA murder the 500+ people in Chicago last year? Or, do the murderers belong to the NRA? I guess you will have to find a new “boogie man” for inner-city murders. Please consider.


January 16th, 2013
4:53 pm


Funding is not the problem. If the government can give fee cell phones to people and pay their heating bills, then the government can pay for armed security. If this is as important as the government says, then they can find funding – if they really wanted to. It’s called priorities.


January 16th, 2013
5:02 pm

Jarvis, why is having armed guards at some schools okay but all schools one of the dumbest you have heard of. Obama sends his kids to the same school David Gregory of NBC sends his, Sidwell Friends. Gregory thought armed guards at schools was a dumb idea yet Sidwell Friends has several armed guards. I wonder if Gregory was aware of that ? If he was not aware of it he is now, do you think he will pull his kids out ?


January 16th, 2013
5:09 pm

Jarvis, you are no conservative. The NRA gets it’s bills paid by dues paying members. The left bashes the NRA and calls them gun nuts, I wonder how many Chicago murders are committed by NRA members.


January 16th, 2013
5:37 pm

One thought to protect our Children while at school.

1. Take funding from Shady Deals guards put more SRO’s in school’s. Deal has victor hill to protect him.

2. Reinstate fuel tax on Delta. Use the money to pay for school SRO’s

The Board of regents budgets College Police (trained police officers)

3. Or simply move all the cops running radar on I75/85/285 etc to the schools. Let the GSP handle the interstates. Train the Hazmat people to direct traffic as it seams there are an abundance of them standing around doing nothing when a accident spills a little fuel.

4. Tax the NRA to help pay for SRO’s

Wonder if crooked dealings thinks this has merit. Probably as much as the $100.00 cap on lobbyist.

Dr. Monica Henson

January 16th, 2013
6:12 pm

We need armed law enforcement with arrest powers in every school in the United States. Period. And I could care less how much it costs.


January 16th, 2013
6:27 pm

Agent –

The government doesn’t pay for anything with THEIR money. THEIR money is OUR money; it’s tax money.

Those “free” cell phones are paid for in part by the Universal Service Fee that ALL of us pay on our cell phone bill.

If you want armed guards at schools, be prepared to pay more in taxes.

bootney farnsworth

January 16th, 2013
6:30 pm

Obama is a political prostitute of the most base order, and that’s giving ladies of the night a bad name.
and based on some of these responses, his cult of Obama is soon gonna rival Mao’s.

besides him brazenly ignoring the Constitution (again), his use of children (I don’t wanna die) to further attempt to gain control of things denied him by the founders is beyond pathetic.

anytime a politician tells you its “for the children” -be it Obama or Fran Millar- you can be sure the
very LAST thing they care about is “the children” but they can count on the emotional mindless reaction of many to play exactly what they want.

my prayers for the president go only as far as him living out a long and healthy life – I dispise him, but wish no ill on him or anyone related to him – and that he is stopped politically as much as possible.

for those of you who have no issue with Obama’s constant end running of the Constitution, have your moment now. pretty soon he’ll go after something you care about. at the very least, he’s establishing a president someone you don’t like is gonna have.

mountain man

January 16th, 2013
6:31 pm

Tacking onto a post from earlier today – how does an armed guard or better doors help when a third of your students are in “temporary classrooms” i.e TRAILERS. How are you going to keep them safe? Back in the sixties, not only did we spend one-fourth what we spend now, ADJUSTED FOR INFLATION, but every student went to school in a brick and mortar school? What was the difference? Back then, they issued school construction bonds. What do they do now (or at least did in Cherokee county years ago)? They use Splost sales tax money and they build a school whenever they get enough money. The kids need the schools NOW, not 15 years down the road when they are almost graduating! I rmember one year when they constucted ONE school in Cherokee County – with a capacity of 1200. Increase in enrollment in the system that year – 1400! Not even keeping up with the increase!

bootney farnsworth

January 16th, 2013
6:33 pm

@ Dr Monica,

good! lets start by using every dime you make. I’m sure you’d be willing to give up every perk in your life and work for free.

bootney farnsworth

January 16th, 2013
6:34 pm

@ Kris

how exactly, do you tax the NRA?

mountain man

January 16th, 2013
6:44 pm

“If you want armed guards at schools, be prepared to pay more in taxes.”

Like anything else, if you want the government to supply a service, be prepared to pay for it. Since the funding for schools comes mainly from local property taxes, you should prepare for those property taxes to increase.

I personally would like to know that a trained, armed police officer was at my kid’s school to help protect them – I would be willing to pay more taxes to see that be implemented. I would also like to see better security in doors and locking classroom doors.

And get rid of those trailers!


January 16th, 2013
6:52 pm

bootney farnsworth “@ Kris how exactly, do you tax the NRA?

Remove their Tax exempt status. treat them like the business they are. Too bad for our children the powers that have a death grip on America (GOP) are also on the payroll of the nra.

“The NRA Foundation is the country’s leading charitable … (“NRA Foundation”) is a 501(c)(3) tax-exempt.


January 16th, 2013
7:08 pm

I thought this blog was mainly about education in Georgia? A subject like this and you report only national figures (besides Deal)? What about the Educational leadership at the state or local leadership?


January 16th, 2013
7:22 pm


Yes, I know it’s the taxpayers’ dime. Obviously you didn’t understand the point I was making – stop wasteful spending and put armed security in schools.


January 16th, 2013
9:37 pm

Don’t Tread Were you born a racist or simply evolve???


January 16th, 2013
9:43 pm

Kris The NRA has forgotten what is supposed to be about. The leadership of the NRA are nothing short of being subversives who care nothing about what is best for the thousands of innocent Americans who are being slaughtered by these weapons every year. If you as an NRA member agree with the tactics and hate filled rhetoric of the idiot that is your leader then you are not interested in what is best for this country- you are only interested in your own selfish interest- certainly not the 2nd amendment.


January 16th, 2013
9:48 pm

Got this off Jamie Dupree’s blog:

1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.

2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.

3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.

4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.

5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.

6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.

7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.

8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).

9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.

10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.

11. Nominate an ATF director.

12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.

13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.

14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.

15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.

16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.

17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.

18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.

19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.

20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.

21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.

22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.

23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.

Thankfully, nothing of much substance here. I’m sure the politically correct “Stroke of the pen, law of the land” lemmings are disappointed that their boy didn’t amend the Constitution all by himself.

The real danger to our Constitutional rights will be plugged in on page 2000 of some omnibus spending bill that none of our Congressmen read.

The only thing that might make schools safer is #18. The rest read like stuff our government bureaucrats should ALREADY be doing.

How do we pay for police? Hell, we ALREADY pay for police. Even a modest size town the size of Rome or Albany has a force of several hundred police officers. Pull a couple off the speed trap and roust a couple more out from behind their desk and there you go.

I do like the irony of #7. Why? Because the premier gun safety organization in America is the NRA. They have an excellent safety program designed for young kids called the Eddie Eagle program. Never heard of it? Blame all the so-called “education groups” listed in the article for denying our children that information.

Finally, never have understood why the Center for Disease Control “researches the cause of gun violence”. They should stick with stamping out the polio, tuberculosis, and other diseases that those millions of illegal aliens, er, undocumented migrants, have reintroduced to our society.


January 16th, 2013
9:50 pm

these new laws are not going to change anything.

Murder is already against the law, so this is what you think a loony tunes though process is:

“Id love to go shoot up a kindergarten class today, but that new law saying i can only have 7 rounds in a magazine, geeze, changing mags 2 more times will take 3 seconds , sigh, I guess I will go mow the grass instead.”

The NRA didnt utter two sentences and cause honest law abiding citizens to purchase EVERY SINGLE semi auto rifle and handgun and all the ammo from EVERY store in the ENTIRE country in less than a week,
your hero, B.Hussien did that.
And wanting to ban guns because the LOOK like military guns? how stupid is that?


January 16th, 2013
9:50 pm

bootney farnsworth Read much pal? Over 13,000 numbered Executive orders from every President since Washington issuing them- EVERY PRESIDENT HAS USED THEM!!! Did you know that Einstein? How about all the Governors that use them??? end run around the Constitution? Read sections 1 and 3 of article 2- that is where the power for him to issue them is derived!! Of course I am sure that you lambasted little Bush for all of his EC’s right??? Ehhhh you did criticize little Dubya for his end runs right? Surely you are not just another po’ed Republican who can’t get over losing TWICE to the President- right?
Just another hater whose life sucks.


January 16th, 2013
10:00 pm

The 2nd amendment is NOT about deer hunting, its about the citizens being able to overthrow a tyrannical govt, and the fed gov is getting pretty close to being one.

The libs think the 2nd is about hunting, and want to limit it to 5 rounds . fine, then by that interpretation the 1st amendment freedom of the press must have been meant to limit the media to printing newspapers on a slow printing press, lets get rid of TV, radio and the internet.

Besides, have any of you watched the ads for all the new movies? every single one shoes guns, guns, guns. people getting blown away for the entire commercial.
lets limit the movie and TV industry to no more than 5 shots per movie.
how would that be?


January 16th, 2013
10:01 pm

Bob Getting all that hate filled rhetoric from faux news eh? Obama is only concerned about his kids? The school that his kids are in? You know I have watched for over 4 years as you racist idiots have treated this man with the least amount of respect and dignity as any I have watched over my 70 plus years. Of course many if not most of you claim to be conservative Christians. How ironic that you cannot see the beam in your own eye. None of you that have participated in this continued lynching even deserve to live in this country; you do not even understand how this country was designed to work. You only know you keep losing to this guy that you hate and it just keeps your panties in a wad. I feel sorry for you all.


January 16th, 2013
10:07 pm

And i LOVE Texas and Wyoming saying they will not enforce new silly fedgov laws,
and the sheriff in Oregon stating that if the fedgov wont allow him to enforce existing immigration laws, then he also will not enforce the fedgovs gun laws.

Besides, with operation Fast and Furious, the fedgov and Eric Holder supplied thousands of guns, on purpose to druglords in mexico. Now honest law abiding citizens are gonna be felons cause we have a gun with enough bullets to stop a home invasion like the one last week in Loganville? That scumbag got shot 5 times and lived, what if he had 2 or 3 of his scumbag friends with him? 7 rounds aint enough for that.

Truth in Moderation

January 16th, 2013
10:31 pm

Senator Feinstein is also proud…..
Interestingly, her account of why she decided to “carry”, given in the first 47 seconds of the video, is a little different from the earlier account given to author Judy Stone in the article she wrote for THE LADIES HOME JOURNAL/ March 1979:

“The Feinsteins had had police protection since December 1976 when Katherine, her daughter by a brief first marriage, looked out of her bedroom window, spotted a plastic package clearly marked “Gel Explo” and called police. They came immediately and dismantled the bomb. The following March, police were called in again to examine damage caused by BB gun shots at the Feinsteins’ beach front vacation home, south of the city. But Feinstein told me that she doesn’t live in fear. “You can’t live that way,” she emphasized, ignoring the presence of a police officer sitting in an unmarked car across the street from the Mayor’s elegant old brick and stucco Victorian Classic house.”

Truth in Moderation

January 16th, 2013
11:33 pm

Don’t be too quick to judge the evidence…….it could be a setup!

Sandy Hook is still an unsolved crime. THE CASE IS STILL OPEN. THERE HAVE BEEN NO FORMAL CHARGES. No one has been reported to have seen how Adam Lanza died. Don’t allow him to be tried in the press.

Truth in Moderation

January 16th, 2013
11:42 pm


January 16th, 2013
11:46 pm

What do you expect from educated people? That proves it is a plot against our 2nd Amendment rights.

Truth in Moderation

January 16th, 2013
11:48 pm

The truth is not welcome here. Only supporters of the Orwellian term, “gun control”. Lying, thieving politicians are OK too.


Truth in Moderation

January 16th, 2013
11:52 pm

magine this, the gun loathing Left politicians LOVED JIM JONES, even Feinstein lunched with him and toured the Peoples Temple. One of them WANTED TO APPOINT HIM TO THE BOARD OF REGENTS (CALIFORNIA), WHICH OVERSAW THEIR UNIVERSITY SYSTEM!

“Governor Jerry Brown sang the preacher’s praises. Congressman John Burton, Phil’s brother, lobbied the governor to appoint Jones to the high-profile board of regents, which oversaw California’s sprawling public university system. San Francisco Supervisor – now U.S. Senator — Dianne Feinstein accepted an invitation to lunch with Jones and to tour Peoples Temple.”

Truth in Moderation

January 16th, 2013
11:59 pm

Truth in Moderation

January 17th, 2013
12:11 am

Jim Jones killed 900+ men, women, and children as an amateur psychologist using MK-ULTRA type mind control techniques. HIRING MORE SCHOOL PSYCHOLOGISTS AND HAVING A SHRINK “evaluate” you as to your ability to “carry” IS GOING TO DECREASE GUN VIOLENCE??????????
BUT WILL IT STOP “KOOL AID” VIOLENCE? That’s the question.

Truth in Moderation

January 17th, 2013
12:57 am

“military-style assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines like the ones used in the Newtown”

Maureen, could you please post Officer Vance’s official statement verifying this? I haven’t been able to find it. I HAVE ONLY FOUND OFFICIAL DOCUMENTATION THAT A CERTAIN GUN SHOP/RANGE SOLD NANCY LANZA ONE GUN. THEY DID NOT SAY IF IT WAS USED AT SANDY HOOK.

Burroughston Broch

January 17th, 2013
1:24 am

Nothing on the President’s laundry list would have prevented the tragedy at Newtown or any of the others.
The Lanza kid used his mother’s weapons. Nothing in the President’s laundry list would have prevented his mother from buying weapons.
The real answer is to get the crazies off the street and into institutions where they are protected from society and society is protected from them.

Truth in Moderation

January 17th, 2013
1:37 am

President Obama sez the government will take care of our mental health. Just ask Frank!

” The death in 1953 of a government scientist, Frank Olson, in a fall from a New York hotel window, is one of the most notorious cases in CIA history.
Only in 1975 did Olson’s family learn that the CIA had slipped LSD into his drink, days before his death. President Ford apologized for an experiment gone awry, and promised that the government would reveal everything about the case.
But newly obtained documents show that the Ford administration continued to conceal information about Olson — particularly, his role in some of the CIA’s most controversial research of the Cold War, on anthrax and other biological weapons.
The documents show that two of the key officials involved in the decision to withhold that information were White House aides Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld, today the nation’s vice president and secretary of Defense.”

Truth in Moderation

January 17th, 2013
8:39 am

Here’s an interview with one of the original LSD government “researchers”, Dr. M.E. Jarvik. Amazingly, he was a former student of Senator Feinstein’s late husband, Dr. Burt Feinstein:

“When I was a first-year medical student in Berkeley, one of the instructors, Dr Burt Feinstein, was doing an experiment on pain. I was a subject. He injected my trapezius muscle with saturated saline solution and it was painful. Senator Diane Feinstein is his widow.”

Dr. Jarvik also later went on to do similar experiments:
“JARVIK, M. E. & WOLFF, B. B. (1962) Differences between deep pain responses to hypertonic and hypotonic saline solutions, Journal of Applied Physiology, 17, 841–843.”

Here are his LSD experiments:

“JARVIK, M. E. (1957) Effect of LSD-25 on snails, in: ABRAMSON, A. H. (Ed.) Neuropharmacology: third conference on neuropharmacology, pp. 29–38.
7. ABRAMSON, H. A., JARVIK, M. E., KAUFMAN, M. R., KORNETSKY, C., LEVINE, A. & WAGNER, M. (1955) Lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD-25): I. Physiological and perceptual responses, Journal of Psychology, 39, 3–60.
(1964) The hallucinogenic drugs, Scienti

Truth in Moderation

January 17th, 2013
8:52 am

Here’s the reference to the January 17th, 2013
8:39 am post above:

Addiction (2001) 96, 1241–1252
JOURNAL INTERVIEW—54 Conversation with Murray Jarvik;jsessionid=3BDB01E4AE60B87CA217215662573865.d03t01?v=1&t=hc1juph0&s=aeb64a02771b94c20799f3d8a083babab7efc5da
“Murray Jarvik’s long and fruitful career in research and teaching spans the 50-year period beginning before the explosion of interest in psychopharmacology up to the present. His studies on LSD, among the first ever published, were followed by studies on the effects of drugs on memory and memory consolidation”

Here is Jarvik’s description of his early LSD work:

“So I went to New York and looked for a job in the psychiatry department at Mt Sinai Hospital. I got a fellow- ship, and part of the job was to look at a new substance that nobody had ever heard of, LSD (d-lysergic acid). It had been discovered 10 years before in Switzerland by Albert Hofmann, and it sounded interesting to me. I put notices in the Village Voice newspaper asking for volunteers, and hippies would volunteer to be subjects. I gave them LSD and various psychological tests I had worked out. The money to support this research was supposedly coming as a gift from a very wealthy physician named Dr Geschichter,
who had set up the Geschichter Foundation to support this research. There was even a meeting with Dr Geschichter at one of the hotels down- town and he described how he gave this largesse from his personal fortune to support Mt Sinai Hospital. It turned out, of course, that it was the government that was supporting this research.”

“It was in 1955 that I worked with Dr Harold Abramson, who was very smart but somewhat peculiar. He was a physical chemist, a psychiatrist and an allergist, all rolled up into one.” (NOTE: ABRAMSON WAS DOCUMENTED IN GOVERNMENT PAPERS AS WORKING FOR THE CIA MK-ULTRA MIND CONTROL PROGRAM)
“I spent one summer at Cold Spring Harbor Laboratories looking at the effects of LSD on snails and fish and other things.6 One other fellow who worked with me on LSD was Dr Conan Kornetsky.7 He was in the Public Health Service then, in uniform [explanatory note: Public Health Service officers wore military uniform]. I didn’t think about it at the time, but it was strange that someone from the Public Health Service was assigned to work with us at Mt Sinai Hospital.”


Truth in Moderation

January 17th, 2013
10:20 am

“The Right to Bear … Drones?”
“If he were alive today, Orwell might say that – unless the American people create and adopt high-tech ways to defend themselves – guns will not be able to compete with drones, robots and other high-tech weapons created by the virtually unlimited American military budget.”


William Casey

January 17th, 2013
10:35 am

Alas, we can turn every school in America into a well-armed fortress and the psychos will simply begin targeting child care centers.


January 17th, 2013
11:43 am

@Bob, a simple check will show you that the Beretta Group and Smith & Wesson donate millions each year to the NRA. You’re being naive.

Truth in Moderation

January 17th, 2013
12:51 pm

“The Olson case was one of the most explosive revelations about the C.I.A. during the post-Watergate investigations of the United States intelligence community in the mid-1970s, and was part of a series of disclosures about a C.I.A. program known as MK-Ultra, which included brainwashing, mind control and other human behavioral control experiments during the early days of the cold war.”
Suit Planned Over Death of Man C.I.A. Drugged


Truth in Moderation

January 17th, 2013
3:25 pm

Bertrand Russell’s 1931 book THE SCIENTIFIC OUTLOOK:

“The Russian experiment may succeed or may fail, but even if it fails, it will be followed by others which will share its most interesting characteristic, namely, the unitary direction of a whole nation’s activities. This was impossible in earlier days, since it depends upon the technique of propaganda, i.e., upon universal education, newspapers, the cinema, and the wireless.”

“In like manner, the scientific rulers will provide one kind of education for ordinary men and women, and another for those who are to become holders of scientific power. Ordinary men and women will be expected to be docile, industrious, punctual, thoughtless, and contented. Of these qualities, probably contentment will be considered the most important. In order to produce it, all the researches of psycho-analysis, behaviourism, and biochemistry will be brought into play…. All the boys and girls will learn from an early age to be what is called ‘co-operative,’ i.e., to do exactly what everybody is doing. Initiative will be discouraged in these children, and insubordination, without being punished, will be scientifically trained out of them.”

“Except for the one matter of loyalty to the world State and to their own order,” Russell explained, “members of the governing class will be encouraged to be adventurous and full of initiative….”

Russell issued a strong warning: “On those rare occasions, when a boy or girl who has passed the age at which it is usual to determine social status shows such marked ability as to seem the intellectual equal of the rulers, a difficult situation will arise, requiring serious consideration. If the youth is content to abandon his previous associates and to throw in his lot whole-heartedly with the rulers, he may, after suitable tests, be promoted, but if he shows any regrettable solidarity with his previous associates, the rulers will reluctantly conclude that there is nothing to be done with him except to send him to the lethal chamber before his ill-disciplined intelligence has had time to spread revolt. This will be a painful duty to the rulers, but I think they will not shrink from performing it.”

Truth in Moderation

January 17th, 2013
10:05 pm