Janusz Maciuba teaches English as a Second Language at a technical college in the Atlanta area. He has written several pieces for the AJC. Here is his latest:
By Janusz Maciuba
In the service of instilling self-esteem in students, teachers and other cheerleaders of scholastic and personal achievement have promoted slogans that are potentially dangerous if taken at face value by students. In fact, some of these motivational mottoes can actually encourage students to drop out of school. I base my observations on teaching 7th and 9th graders and from reading thousands of GED essays, some of which explained why students left school before graduation and what their dreams for the future were.
Here are the top three lies some students believe:
You can be anything you want to be. Yes, you can! With hard work at school or on the practice field or in the orchestra, mixed with talent and luck, the right blend of genes, and teachers and parents who really take an interest in your rise to success, you can be on your way to that happy life.
But, if you can’t spell pediatrician, it’s very unlikely you’ll be one. If you’re 14, short and weigh 90 pounds, the chances of playing for the pros are slim.
My 9th graders really believed in this dream. One day there’s a knock on the door and in a deus ex machina moment the student is plucked from real life and offered a music contract or a chance at professional sports. Generally, the worst students had the biggest dreams. Why study when desire trumps education?
A better and truer motivational message would be the old Army slogan: Be all that you can be. This is much more realistic and directs the student to exploit and capitalize on his natural talents and interests. It tells the student to find a realistic goal and work hard to get there. If he really wants to be a rapper, then he needs to: learn poetry in English class, play an instrument, join the choir, take math so all the big money doesn’t get siphoned off by managers and the inevitable posse, and become a well-rounded person who can control his life and destiny.
Students still believe that almost all the famous rappers came from the streets, when most had a middle-class upbringing. Tupac Shakur, for one, became a gansta later in life and perhaps never had the survival instincts that might have prevented his death.
The next slogan can’t be blamed on teachers but I’m not so sure about football coaches — Never back down. This philosophy shows a lack of critical reasoning and seems to come from a sense of honor learned in video games and movies. This can be a noble gesture at Little Round Top or when facing the Persian army at Thermopylae but, when it comes to school rules, jobs, or life, it is disastrous because the student will expelled, unemployable, and incarcerated. Like Kenny Rogers sings in “The Gambler”: “You got to know when to hold ‘em, know when to fold ‘em.”
The last slogan is: Be a leader not a follower. Yes, break out the black flag of anarchy as all the students set up their own republics. There are times, in real life, to be a leader and other times to be a follower. Knowing the difference is the key.
Everybody engages in some magical thinking — I’m hoping some literary elves finish my novel one night – but it’s usually harmless. The danger is when unrealistic dreams and an inflated sense of character hinder educational progress.
–From Maureen Downey, for the AJC Get Schooled blog
So, all you motivators think of the consequences of these slogans and explain the pitfalls of taking them at face value. Or, don’t say anything at all.
110 comments Add your comment
Mary Elizabeth
December 27th, 2012
4:15 am
All three slogans encourage perceiving in one-dimensional, trite thoughts. For students to learn to think in that manner is diminishing to students’ interior growth, as well as diminishing to how students will perceive of reality, the world, and others. Education must foster more depth of understanding than these slogans allow. Teachers who, themselves, think in the surface manner indicated by these three slogans do not serve their students well when they encourage their students to perceive of reality with the shallowness indicated by these slogans. If a succinct axiom for living is desired to share with one’s students, I would suggest simply the aphorism, “Know thyself.” That challenge for the student will open the possibility for greater depth of exploration, through many avenues of thought. And, it will hold the interest of the student over time.
I recently finished reading a book entitled, “Dying To Be Me,” by Anita Moorjani. This book explores discovering who one is with authenticity, and through the depth of personal experiences which have been explored in creative and unorthodox ways. Some readers of this blog may want to check it out.
DeborahinAthens
December 27th, 2012
6:41 am
It’s not just slogans that encourage magical thinking. When I was in elementary and high school, one did not win “prizes” and good grades unless they were earned. In today’s politically correct world where, God forbid, a student gets their psyche bruised, we have seen prizes go to the worst performers as well as the best. We have seen better grades given for mediocre performance so that students can get the Hope Scholarships. All of these things contribute to over inflated self esteem. At some point in every person’s life, that man or woman will be confronted with his or her limitations. Learning is hard. Excelling at anything–music, sports,writing–is hard. Better the children learn this from the beginning. We are a nation of mediocrity.
Jack ®
December 27th, 2012
7:21 am
Mediocrity takes on a new meaning when you interview a youngster for a job.
Beverly Fraud
December 27th, 2012
7:21 am
More magical thinking: “I can be head of a statewide superintendents’ organization, name a thoroughly disgraced educator Superintendent of the Year, and the chief education columnist at the state’s largest paper, the very paper that documented the disgraceful actions of our award winner, won’t offer up even the slightest inquiry or hold me the least bit accountable, because I am part of the status quo the newspaper supports”
Oh I’m sorry, that isn’t magical thinking. That’s reality at the state’s largest newspaper.
Yes, yes, I’m sure there will be critics who will say this has been posted too much; but what all of them have failed to do, is make a case that asking for the accountability is wrong
Maureen, much like Furman Bisher and the AJC used to do with the “I Beat Bisher” T-Shirts (you remember right?) could you give away some “Shirley Franklin Memorial, I came on this blog to spout nonsense only to beat a quick and hasty retreat when challenged to defend the validity of my posts” T-Shirts?
I’m sure the AJC would get a good deal on them, if only due to the volume discount based on the sheer number of poster/winners!
I’m sure they would be willing to throw in a single” Most Insufferable Blogger” based on volume AND validity.
THAT would be an interesting competition; wonder who’s in the lead at this point?
SEE
December 27th, 2012
7:25 am
I, personally, have not witnessed these “slogans” being perpetuated by the schools. The only “slogan” I have heard from several teachers is something along the lines of “In life, you have choices: choose wisely”.
Beverly Fraud
December 27th, 2012
7:45 am
Not only do schools spout this nonsense to students, they do it to teachers as well. How is one of the ways they “inspire”?
The Teddy Stoddard story. How a teacher changed a child’s life for the better, and the child beat all odds to succeed. It’s designed to appeal to the “do gooder” in teachers to sustain them and make them more vulnerable to the abuses they suffer because after all “I might have a Teddy Stoddard”
Only one problem. The story is a complete, total, fabrication. Not that that stops education leaders (you know, the ones who are supposed to be educated) from trotting it out over and over again.
Three words: Lack…of…integrity.
Ben
December 27th, 2012
7:53 am
Another interesting concept that I just became aware of: Nobody(genius or dunce) in today’s school system(private or public) gets under a C grade, regardless. This is applicable up through college. Apparently the teachers don’t want to be confronted with irate parents, lawsuits, principals and in some situations school shooters. So unless the student just doesn’t show up for class it’s a C by default for everyone. I don’t know when this became the standard. I attended college in the early 90s and students actually got what they made with quite a few F, I and D grades but no more.
Eddie Hall
December 27th, 2012
8:02 am
Don’t back down… Tom Petty.
Beverly, did you want the award and not get it?
Beverly Fraud
December 27th, 2012
8:09 am
Source: Dr. John Trotter and MACE
@Ben to underscore your point, a teacher was about to testify about the very thing you referenced. Widespread changing of grades in a DeKalb county school. If I recall correctly the pressure was coming from administration. The OIR officer, State Sen. Ronald Ramsey, illegally shut down the grievance hearing.
State Sen. Ronald Ramsey by the way, collects his full salary while spending a large chunk of the year away at the Legislature, collecting yet another salary. Is this legal? More to the point, is this ethical? If a teacher was in the General Assembly would DCSS allow the double dipping? Would the AJC stay silent?
Or does the fact that he’s a Democrat make him, or this story, “untouchable” by the AJC?
Insufferable? INDEED!
Cindy Lutenbacher
December 27th, 2012
8:11 am
Ben, I can tell you that the nothing-less-than-C is absolutely false at my school. And yes, I’ve confronted furious parents and weeping parents more than once.
Beverly Fraud
December 27th, 2012
8:13 am
Don’t back down… Tom Petty.
Beverly, did you want the award and not get it?
@Again Eddie Hall I must ask. My asking of Herb Garrett (and Maureen) bothers you enough to comment on it, but the fact that Herb Garrett, a voice of influence on education issues, names an educational charlatan Superintendent of the Year and does not rescind the award does not compel you to comment?
Mortimer Collins
December 27th, 2012
8:13 am
All these grandiose educators and prognosticators are blinding these children and leading them strait down the primrose path and into prison.
Most of these children are ignorant of the fact that success comes with a little luck and a lot of hard work, logical thinking, planning, understanding the “political” landscape, being resilient, determination, knowing when to shut up and attrition.
My philosophy, which has served me well, comes from an ole 70’s tune by one Robin Trower.
“Fly Low”. Yeppers, Fly Low, under the radar as there are plenty of co-workers that are more than willing to pop up from their “fox hole” and take the “political/procedural” bullets.
Beverly Fraud
December 27th, 2012
8:18 am
What I’d like Eddie Hall is to see some accountability from the people who have a major influence on education in Georgia.
And you would not?
What I’d like to see, like reporters held the IOC accountable for Marion Jones, held MLB baseball accountable for the steroid scandal, held the NCAA accountable for Joe Paterno’s actions, is the lead education columnist for the AJC hold a major education official accountable so that they know they can’t “honor” known charlatans with complete and total immunity.
Care to explain Eddie Hall what specifically is wrong with that?
Beck
December 27th, 2012
8:20 am
Ben –
That’s a falsehood. There are some teachers and even some schools who hold to a no one earns a grade under a certain threshold (usually 50). However, there are many more of us with integrity who actually operate under the philosophy that a student should get what they earn. In my class, if you earn a 12, you’re getting a 12.
Before anyone goes on a “not giving students a chance to succeed” with the above. Grades like that can be and are still achieved with weekly communication with parents and an opportunity to review for correction all assignments with me BEFORE turning them in.
There are some students who take every opportunity to do well, do extra credit and really work and I feel that those students, should be able to keep their 103 or 106 and not have to have their grade “cut off” at a 100.
I think what bothers me most about all of these educational policies and changes is the idea that we are going to change almost 200 years of education in the U. S. in just a few years. This is not to say that there are not people who will improve the life station of their families through schooling, but that there are many people who do not value education and the opportunities it gives to improve one’s life and the lives of their children. That said, we also need to recognize that there is nothing wrong with job training and preparation. A college degree is a wonderful thing, but so is being able to find a skilled plumber or HVAC person when you are in dire need!
Cindy Lutenbacher
December 27th, 2012
8:21 am
I should also say that more than once have I worked with parents who cared tremendously and really put the responsibility on the backs of their kids. And the kids really came through.
No, I don’t join the “it’s all about parenting” crowd even though I do give credence to the importance of parenting. I’m more of a mind to believe “we’re all in this together,” and my spiritual beliefs urge me to see every child as “my” child. I know that such a belief is impossible in practical terms, but I try very hard to let it guide my choices.
I like what Mr. Maciuba says about “when to hold, when to fold.” That slogan works much better for me as both mother and teacher.
Cindy Lutenbacher
December 27th, 2012
8:23 am
@Beck
Well-said, and I heartily agree about both the issues of grades and the importance of many kinds of education for many kinds of jobs/careers.
Beverly Fraud
December 27th, 2012
8:26 am
While we may chide Ben for implying it’s a universal standard, let’s not kid ourselves: this is not an uncommon occurrence in Georgia schools especially in the gateway grades 5 (on the way to middle school, where they can mess up their CRCT scores) and 8 (on the way to high school, so they can stop messing up our CRCT scores)
Let’s be honest; this dynamic exists, if not outright flourishes in Georgia.
Beverly Fraud
December 27th, 2012
8:29 am
Eddie Hall? Eddie? Maureen, wake up! Seems we have our first winner of the beat a quick and hasty retreat when asked to defend the validity of an attack T Shirt.
Furman is smiling in heaven, I’m sure
Cindy Lutenbacher
December 27th, 2012
8:36 am
Beverly, I know you have a long-lasting issue with former superintendents, but I respectfully ask you to try hard to stay to the issue and avoid ad hominem attacks.
HS Math Teacher
December 27th, 2012
8:39 am
Here’s a dangerous slogan: “We will lead the nation in school improvement!”
Mary Grabar
December 27th, 2012
8:39 am
Ah, finally, you publish something that makes sense. I could add to that the idea that “you can change the world.” Or as our Dear Leader told the young people of the world listening to his Cairo speech, “You can remake the world.” “Yes, you can.” “Yes, you can.” Repeat and march. Join Americorps. Get a rake. A hammer. Go into your community. Be the change.
Lee
December 27th, 2012
8:49 am
Slogans do not bother me. Actions bother me.
Actions such as passing kids from grade to grade who cannot do the work.
Actions such as admitting a student into college based on some arbitrary affirmative action quota ahead of more qualified applicants.
Actions such as hiring someone based on some arbitrary affirmative action quota when there were other, more qualified persons available.
Actions such as awarding government contracts due to minority or gender preferences, which cost taxpayers billions each year.
And now, winner of the award for most days in ISS…..
TeacherMom4
December 27th, 2012
8:50 am
If every child were equally capable and motivated, the words “differentiated instruction” would not exist. All the companies selling books, lessons, and seminars on how-to would go out of business! What a calamity it would be to expect kids to actually apply themselves to do well.
Georgia
December 27th, 2012
9:03 am
Maureen Downy has a great idea. Her suggestion is that comments be confined to defining the unintended consequences of a student accepting any teacher’s encouragement. (PeerGroupThink always skews the behavior data). One consequence I can think of for such a truant would take place at a cooking school, where the student could end up expelled because his dog REFUSED to eat his homework. (If only the teacher hadn’t come up with that idiotic slogan)…….now THAT would be a shame of a consequence.
teacherwantingachange
December 27th, 2012
9:06 am
Cindy, I agree that there are some of us who still try to retain the integrity of a grade.
But the vast majority of grades in Dekalb reinforce the “Victory in every class room” or “No excuses” slogans. I’ve worked in Dekalb under 5 superintendents, and it seems for the last ten years, there is more emphasis on requiring the teacher to provide documentation for the redundant parent contacts (translation: exhaust teacher or intimidate teacher) than actually help students succeed.
I wish the AJC would run some stories comparing the number of students earning As or Bs to the number of students passing the Georgia Writing Test or EOCT compared to SAT scores. There’s another falsehood that Dekalb and the state of Georgia promotes: “College-readiness.”
HaHa
December 27th, 2012
9:13 am
Let’s see………..
Atl Teacher
December 27th, 2012
9:22 am
I always think of the shoe shine man from one of Martin Luther King, Jr.’s speeches. I learned it when I was in school and now teach it to my students – “Be the best in whatever you are.” Kinda difficult to believe these days (for students and teachers ); but it works.
Private Citizen
December 27th, 2012
9:22 am
base my observations on teaching 7th and 9th graders and from reading thousands of GED essays
Stunning article based in real life circumstances. It is also possible – a guess – that for assigned essay topic, students are repeating “talking points” they’re heard, as the students are not nurtured to have their own vision, however fragile that might be. It’s easier to do the essay equivalent of “yes sir, no sir, yes m’am, no m’am.”
Progressive Humanist
December 27th, 2012
9:32 am
The article brings up some vivid memories. I can remember a 10th grade student telling me he didn’t need to improve his literacy skills because he was going to play pro basketball where everything would be taken care of and he wouldn’t need to be able to read. The problem? He was about 5′2″, a bit plump, and couldn’t make the high school basketball team. Many times I heard teenage girls say they intended to be pediatricians. I’d say “How are you in math and science?” The answer was always a puzzled look and “I can’t stand those subjects; I’m terrible at them.” Okay….
Beverly Fraud
December 27th, 2012
9:36 am
Beverly, I know you have a long-lasting issue with former superintendents, but I respectfully ask you to try hard to stay to the issue and avoid ad hominem attacks.
@Cindy when is integrity not an issue? Pointing out someone’s choices is not an ad hominem attack. From a random (first google result) definition of ad hominem
“An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person”
The discussion wasn’t about Beverly Hall the glutton, or Beverly Hall the spouse abuser, or Beverly Hall the lousy tipper or Beverly Hall the drunk, because I have zero evidence to support those claims and all of them are completely irrelevant. Therefore none of those claims are made.
But to characterize her as an education charlatan is based on relevant and painstakingly documented facts Are you going to claim Cindy, that her accomplishments are based on merit? Seriously…
And I am all ears as to why Herb Garrett’s integrity, or his organization’s integrity should not be called into question by their steadfast refusal to rescind an award now known to be based on totally falsified information.
Would you not question the integrity of the NCAA for letting Penn State and Joe Paterno go unscathed after the Freeh report?
Would you not question the integrity of the IOC if they had let Marion Jones keep her medals after the BALCO investigation?
Then why is it wrong to question the integrity of Herb Garrett and his organization after letting Beverly Hall keep her award after the Bowers report?
Please explain as I feel you are missing the point. It’s not about a former superintendent, anymore than it’s about a former sprinter, or former football coach. It’s about holding organizations who endorse their actions accountable, when their actions clearly no longer deserve an endorsement.
In fact I’d say Herb Garrett’s actions, or lack of action thereof, is a slap in the face of every Georgia educator who did things the right way particularly those who lost their career for standing up for the betterment of students. Knowing some of these people personally, they deserve better from Herb Garrett, than to honor the perpetrator, do they not Cindy?
Private Citizen
December 27th, 2012
9:41 am
Ah, finally, you publish something that makes sense – Perhaps relevant writing is not a common thing. This is a good essay.
I’ve some cringes recalling asking high school students “what’re you going to be when you grow up?” and a full 50% of several classes doing the song and dance about pro sports, and sit there is front of you and make a hard shell and stick with it, all 45 pounds 5′5″ of them NFL super-star. It would be do more good to start yelling your head off at these students and say, “IS THAT ALL YOU THINK OF ME? TO MAKE SOME FAKE MALARKY?” It, too, is a con game, kids who are addicted to “smooth.” I mean… 50% of classes individually singing this song like they are victims of media programming and role-playing their part. Maybe the “What’re you going to do with your life” essay question is not appropriate. A better essay question would be “How do you fix a door that someone has kicked in.” Most of these kids would relate to that, either having been there or doing it a few years later themselves. New Essay Topic “How to build a strong door” “How to install a high-definition video surveillance system.” How to choose the right camera for a high-definition video surveillance system.”
Good grief
December 27th, 2012
9:49 am
At my child’s elementary school the slogan is “Make it a great day or not, the choice is up to you.” Grinds my nerves every time I hear it as all I can think of as the kids who say to themselves “or not for me”.
Private Citizen
December 27th, 2012
9:50 am
Good insight into Tupac Shakur. And right on about successful pop stars and rappers are raised middle class or above. The savvy urban kids know this and are into the “underground” scene with rough artists from the hood that are not promoted through Clear Channel radio stations and other coroporate monopoly. A lot of ‘hood music enthusiastics are keen about corporate “illuminati” entertainment management and seek their art elsewhere.
hmmm interesting observation Underground hip-hop doesn’t exist anymore, at least not like it used to. It’s hard to pinpoint exactly what happened http://pigeonsandplanes.com/2012/06/the-30-best-underground-hip-hop-albums/
Private Citizen
December 27th, 2012
9:58 am
Well Said. The last slogan is: Be a leader not a follower. Yes, break out the black flag of anarchy as all the students set up their own republics.
I think it is evident that education “leadership degrees” lead to anarchy, as well.
Pride and Joy
December 27th, 2012
9:59 am
It’s not school mottos that need to change. It is the attitude about SPORTS that needs to change in the public school systems.
The education system in Georgia and in other backwards states worship the “sport” of football, which is a multi-year training program for machismo, chauvinism, elitism, violence and obesity.
Idiot parents transfer their kids to a school to get the best chance to play on the football team and they neglect real academic education because the SCHOOL SYSTEM demands it.
We should NEVER have organized sports in schools. We should teach physical fitness through calisthenics, an understanding of calories, nutrients and real physical education. The BIGGEST threat in today’s American society is not a lack of food, it has been surpassed by obesity and poor people and black people are at the greatest risks.
The only sports allowed in public schools should be aerobic ones such as basketball and swimming, and make them all intramural. This would prevent the ridiculous hiring of football coaches as history teachers and save the school systems a lot of money. We don’t need stadiums and new auditoriums to house football and basketball. We need to build brick and mortar schools and get the kids out of those dangerous, fire-trap trailers.
I grew up with the attitude that I could grow up to become anything I wanted to be through HARD WORK and TALENT. Even at a young age I knew I could never be a singer because no one ever told me that I could sing well and I could figure it out for myself just listening to myself singing.
I also knew I was pretty but not extraordinarily so, meaning, fashion model was not in my future.
Even though I was a girl, I did think I could grow up to be President. There’s nothing wrong with that.
We don’t need to change our mottos that kids can grow up to be anything they want to be. We need to STOP worshipping football and other organized sports so that we can all focus on what will give kids a best chance in life: a good academic education AND a FIT and HEALTHY body. It is heartbeaking for me to see FAT little eight year old boys playing football. They need to be in the pool swimming, on the basketball courts running, or just playing tag in the back yard with their friends.
Private Citizen
December 27th, 2012
10:02 am
Good grief That’s a whole other and important topic, the habit and effect of repeating any phrase over and over as if the phrase or action is an expression of authority. It’s pollution. That’s why it makes you feel dirty like you want to wring it off your arms when you get away from them. Being a worker or student in this type of propaganda environment, well for me, it felt like I was hanging around dishonest people. “Players” who are always up to something, addicted to needing a “new angle” to spin. It is fundamentally disrespectful when people do this to other people.
Private Citizen
December 27th, 2012
10:12 am
Good grief The reason your phrase is particularly egregious is that elementary school aged children do not have the maturity or development, anywhere close, for making life-determining adult choices that are “up to them.” Which is a complete lie in context. Children are protected up until age of majority. You should ask them to remove the slogan based on that it is inappropriate for children. If they refuse to do so, go to the court house and file on them, or have your attorney write them a demand letter. You can have it removed and you should. You’ve provided a perfect real-life example of adults doing something self-serving that is directly against the well being of their charges, the school children. The adults put the slogan up because they are intimidated by their managers. Write the school a letter and tell them the slogan should be removed (you have to do everything in writing to get anything of this kind done). Anyway, if you need any support, I do not think you would have any trouble find child psychologists to support that the heavy “the choice is yours” is inappropriate for little kids whose minds are in a wholly different place – seeking nurture, as opposed to “making judgement.”
Susan
December 27th, 2012
10:14 am
DeKalb is outwardly stating that they are focusing on leadership. In fact, they have a charter school, the DeKalb Leadership Academy (an oxymoron for sure) housed in the west wing of New Birth church – a place chock full of DeKalb county ‘leaders’. Internally, there is the administrative leadership academy that gave 8 lucky winners the keys to a free Educational Leadership doctoral degree from Mercer University in DeKalb.
If your goal is to be a life long leader in DeKalb, then you are all set in DeKalb!
Beverly Fraud
December 27th, 2012
10:23 am
“In fact, they have a charter school, the DeKalb Leadership Academy (an oxymoron for sure) housed in the west wing of New Birth church – a place chock full of DeKalb county ‘leaders’.”
I was not aware there was still a connection with Bishop Eddie Sandusky’s church.
Opps sorry; that should read Bishop Eddie Long. Not sure where the Sandusky reference came from.
Apologies.
Truth
December 27th, 2012
10:31 am
To be a good leader, the first requirement is that you have excellent followership skills. Educators miss this critical point because most are followers that want to be leaders, much like the deus ex machina moment described in the article.
Beverly Fraud
December 27th, 2012
10:33 am
As we have seen from yesterday’s blog title, the term “education leader” can be dangerous and misleading, as it may convey a sense of ethics and integrity that is contradicted by the “leader’s” actions, be they an individual or an organization.
Private Citizen
December 27th, 2012
10:44 am
If you think about it, even calculus and statistics are an extremely base approach to metaphysics and real life. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iE_8rhszjpo On the same order of reality, slogans can be equated with the grunting of an animal.
dbow
December 27th, 2012
10:44 am
@ Good Grief, My school says the same thing every morning. I don’t know if it’s a system wide saying, but the kids at my school laugh about it all the time. While the basic premise of it is true, hearing it all the time makes it lose its punch.
As for the three slogans, I’ve heard them repeated many times, but the students don’t care anymore. I’ve seen the 90lb kids wanting to be pros and the little black kids wanting to be rappers. So sad actually. Very few of them say they want to be teachers or engineers. Lots of them say they want to be lawyers or doctors because they heard that they can make a lot of money. Then they discover the reality that the amount of schooling is overwhelming. I know it’s like banging on an old drum, but the media bares some of the blame.
6th Grade Social Studies
December 27th, 2012
10:53 am
My mother was told by her guidance official that she needed to consider a career as a housewife, for she would not be able to anything else. She does not believe that he said this with hate in his heart- just conviction. He was wrong. She went on and applied herself in the workplace and was a great mother. I don’t think children should be told they can do anything- but I don’t think it’s the teacher’s job to limit their ideals -while I believe that most teachers would probably know just what a cild is capable of – my wife is scary accurate about children’s potential and she teaches first grade- there might still be those that shouldn’t open their mouths. We’ve met them in our schools. I’ve worked with them in our schools. I like the posters suggestion about “Being all that you can be”.
redweather
December 27th, 2012
10:54 am
@Mary Grabar, a little too much cynicism for an educator like yourself. It is possible, and I would argue worthwhile, to get young people (and old people for that matter) thinking about how they can make change happen, whether in their own lives or in the lives of others.
If life has taught me anything it’s that we all get in a groove and prefer to stay there. That’s just the way it is, explain it how you will. Knowing that, I encourage my students to examine the lives they lead–their relationships, their attitudes, their goals, and their dreams. Than I have them write about it.
Since you are an educator you know that some students couldn’t be bothered doing that, but then some students can’t be bothered doing anything that doesn’t involve their silly little cell phone. But some students embrace (I’ll bet you hate that word) it.
As a college professor, I came rather late to the idea that young people would need to be encouraged to do this. But they do. Many if not most of them will not do it on their own because the grooves of life are very comfortable. Young people should be regularly reminded that they can and do control a lot of things. Can they change the world? If they start by thinking about ways to change their own little world, who knows?
Private Citizen
December 27th, 2012
10:56 am
It is possible to legally affront the use of “leadership” as a front for political networking, and a dereliction of management. It has been put into legal code in at least one country outside of the United States, that the official use of “values” to be illegal in the school house, that this type activity is inappropriate, that it is not the government’s function to teach “values” to individuals during schooling, and that to do so is a serious misapplication of resources. This is not opinion, this is formal and has been coded into law, although not in the United States.
RCB
December 27th, 2012
11:06 am
I don’t see anything wrong with “Be a leader, not a follower.” I heard this from my parents growing up and I didn’t become a little anarchist. Everything doesn’t have to be taken to an extreme.
Private Citizen
December 27th, 2012
11:06 am
redweather to get young people (and old people for that matter) thinking about how they can make change happen, whether in their own lives or in the lives of others
That’s the whole point. You should be teaching economics and physics, not spending money to direct people in vacant opinions about “getting people thinking.” It is the difference in marketing and nutrition.
I request you watch you this movie. The title is identical to a phrase you have written. It is an important movie on our topic of discussion and this is not a jovial of flippant request. the Lives of Others about real life where there is an emphasis on “values” and directing people. The main critique of the film is that it is a “light” or “soft” treatment of the reality of the subject material. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWTgkS47JrI
Private Citizen
December 27th, 2012
11:12 am
This is a better transfer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Veag-ptUkXI The audio (sound) is a little quiet on the previous link. The Lives of Others
HS Math Teacher
December 27th, 2012
11:22 am
“Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.” – JFK 1/20/61
It’s hard to top that one.
Beverly Fraud
December 27th, 2012
11:22 am
Cindy? Cindy? Are you not able to offer an effective rebuttal, or explain why it is in error to want to hold our educational leaders to a high ethical standard?
Do not the educators who did things the right way deserve that validation every bit as much as those Olympians who competed against Marion Jones?
Maureen, has the AJC processed the T Shirt order?
Private Citizen
December 27th, 2012
11:26 am
RCB</b< Good point, except when your county sets up "leadership institutes” you best keep your eyes open to policy-creeping. “Leadership” is not the same thing as management or teaching management. One difference is that “leadership” uses a lack of structure and boundaries. In this way I am guessing that “leadership” completely disregards scholarship on objectives of effective / purposeful management. As I am indicating, it is an altogether different animal when turned into an official script. It is no longer personal as you reference, it is not specific to public service management, instead it is political (meaning: Who has the power).
In a similar manner, teachers are officially told to be “reflective,” which is another misapplication of a personal concept and turning it into official doctrine. It is inappropriate and a perverse use of power, and leads to bad things, where official purpose is turned into indoctrination and intimidation. This use of “reflective teacher” is fairly huge, and used in official policy naming.
Private Citizen
December 27th, 2012
11:31 am
15.5 million returns on Google search term “reflective teacher.” Lots of diagrams. Apparently this beast was hatched from “Marzano.”
Private Citizen
December 27th, 2012
11:35 am
“Leadership” gang affiliation colors include “gold Jaguar” from what I’ve seen. And I don’t mean because the person is a car nerd.
AlreadySheared
December 27th, 2012
11:38 am
If I can see it, then I can do it
If I just believe it, there’s nothing to it
[Chorus:]
I believe I can fly
I believe I can touch the sky
I think about it every night and day
Spread my wings and fly away
I believe I can soar
I see me running through that open door
I believe I can fly
I believe I can fly
I believe I can fly
by R Kelly
RCB
December 27th, 2012
11:41 am
@Private Citizen…I agree with your post as it relates to adults, but I think children should be encouraged to be leaders (i.e. Student Council, club officers, etc.). The way Dekalb practices, their only concern seems to be the status quo of administrative leadership, and I use that term loosely. My parents probably preceded the leader quote with, “If your friend jumps off a bridge,…” LOL
redweather
December 27th, 2012
11:57 am
@Private Citizen, you write “You should be teaching economics and physics, not spending money to direct people in vacant opinions about ‘getting people thinking.’”
I don’t understand your point, especially that about “vacant opinions.” And from an educator’s standpoint, “getting people thinking” is education.
Private Citizen
December 27th, 2012
11:58 am
hey, look, it’s just like school management. You look worn out. Remember. you’re an informant now. That means responsibilities, like conspiracy and confidentiality, but also privileges… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Veag-ptUkXI#t=108m20s
SEE
December 27th, 2012
12:16 pm
Well, we’ve made it to page 2 talking about vacuous slogans. Congratulations group, we really can blog on and on about nothing.
Retired teacher
December 27th, 2012
12:16 pm
Oh goodness, but I truely remember these trite little phrases and many more from my teaching days.
Back in the late 80s, I got reamed out by an assistant principal for daring to tell an 18 year old freshman who was in my remedial reading class that there was no way he was going to be a professional football player and that he needed to figure out what he could do to make a living. This kid was scrawny, did not play for the school, and hadn’t played rec ball in a couple of years. I was told “don’t crush his dreams!” and I was told that I was mean. When I dared to ask, “so we are supposed to ignore reality?” I was written up. (What can I say…I was young and didn’t know when to keep my mouth shut.)
Last year, I had a student who had an earned average of 46, but it was school policy to bump grades up to a 50. During one really fruitful quarter, I sent home a weekly email update to his parents and called them every two weeks. I offered tutoring a couple of days after school. He came a couple of times. I documented every single thing. He didn’t come close to passing the CRCT and hadn’t ever actually passed it. During the last 2 weeks of school, in the parent conference, his parents actually complained that none of his teachers did enough to help him and how dare we suggest that he be held back. In fact, they complained, they were tired of hearing lazy teachers suggest the same thing year after year. Of course he was placed in the next grade.
The writing on the wall was clear to me and I retired early. Teachers are being worn out and worn down by documenting every single thing for no real reason other than the fact that an administrator is spineless. School is no longer about learning or preparing for the future. For most students, it is a place holder.
I have a job in the private sector now. It is really nice being treated as a responsible adult.
Private Citizen
December 27th, 2012
12:16 pm
RCB I think you’re getting point, seeing the paradigm.
redweather Thank you for reply. The point is that where content is taught, people are working with carbon nanotubes and real physics. Where behavior modification, “themes” and “values” is taught, pretty much what you are left with after a decade is a bunch of brainwashed zombies who know “hope” and “change” and little else. The result is pretty stark when it comes to production and wealth. Teaching values is manipulative and leads to a peasant society. The real zinger is when the managers are specialised in enforcing “values” and vacant of real content and truly incompetent at managing delivery of content, and in fact create an environment hostile to content delivery. This is very real. There are many education environments in Georgia where content delivery is punished and “hope and change” replacing teaching real knowledge and skills. I do not know if I can make it any clearer. I am making effort. If you want something more than a peasant society full of fakery, you may consider the utility of throwing official indoctrinations out of the door and to the curb, and attending to sequential building blocks of traditional knowledge in place of using daydreams to con easy targets. It’s the oldest confidence game around, to “sell” the mark lots of hope and promises and deliver little or nothing to them. Some say such “hope and change” training is supposed to stimulate confidence. The problem is that today real content delivery is often disregards or outright punished. We must consider the reality of what is actually occuring. Also, it is a lot cheaper to spin up some “values” training than to do real content delivery. The term “dereliction” is appropriate when using “values” in place of “content.” To try and answer your question clearly, there is a difference in “themes” and “values” and mastering content, hence the formal study of economics or physics. Maybe this will sink in in a little while, if this concept currently remains foreign to you. Telling children the sky is bright and blue is entirely different from having the machine to form lenses to correct their vision and headaches. Maybe we should call it “industrial knowledge” how to make things to make life better, instead of pardon me being a bunch of Georgia slobs waiting on the rest of the world to do our work for us. That you have a large “cadre” of managers running a con game seems to be a culture here.
Hillbilly D
December 27th, 2012
12:16 pm
The danger is when unrealistic dreams and an inflated sense of character hinder educational progress.
Some of that can be traced to the emphasis on “self-esteem”. Self-esteem is in over-abundance these days. What the world really needs is more humility, rather than emphasizing self-esteem, which in many cases has turned out a bumper crop of self-centered narcissists. And to make matters worse, some of those folks are now raising kids and compounding the problem.
Private Citizen
December 27th, 2012
12:21 pm
SEE That’s a difference between you and me. Children with headaches who live for years without eyeglasses, and intimidated teacher-workers are not “nothing” to me.
Private Citizen
December 27th, 2012
12:30 pm
And from an educator’s standpoint, “getting people thinking” is education.
No, it is not. Having an existent body of work and transferring content and skills content is “education.” If I am a machinest and when you leave your time with me, you know how to run a lathe, then I have taught you. If I am trained in economics and after you leave your time with me you competently understand markets, and the structure of small and large business, then I have taught you. “Getting people thinking” is like focusing on the quality of “appetite” of being hungry. Friend, you’re going to have a lot of skinny malnourished people who know nothing of how to prepare food or eat, but know quite a lot a about “appetite” and being hungry.
Private Citizen
December 27th, 2012
12:36 pm
redweather I’m going to buy you lunch today. Are you ready? Get your fork out? Here we go. Okay, here’s you lunch. http://www.bonappetit.com/ Now, call me in an hour and tell me how good you feel, renewed, and the strength you have from the excellent lunch I have bought you. No doubt you are now invigorated and ready to conquer the world, go unload a truck full of cinderblocks, or build an airport. Meanwhile, I get paid and you go hungry. But I made you feel good and you fell for it (so to speak).
mountain man
December 27th, 2012
1:03 pm
“Here are the top three lies some students believe:
You can be anything you want to be.”
Hey, you left off the first part of it! With hard work and enough dedication and determination ( and the right physical gifts, for some things), you can be anything you want to be. If you have 20/400 vision, I don’t think they are going to let you fly Air Force jets or be an astronaut. You have to understand your limitations. However, never again will I say I will never live to see a woman or a black person elected president. One has now happened and the other came close to happening.
Private Citizen
December 27th, 2012
1:05 pm
redweather people should be regularly reminded that they can and do control a lot of things
That’s a good point, but the only way I know to make it immediate / specific is that people have a choice in what they consumer, how they spend their money. Developing oneself for a meaningful career is far more complex, although some of the same reasoning can apply, i.e. to not be debt-slave through signing on to university slavery where the student leaves with a great portion of debt. I think there is some room-for-scholarship available to evaluate university programs as well. Many make promises that do not get fulfilled. In fact, there is a class-action lawsuit occurring from law grads who are suing their law schools about official misrepresentation of their career prospects after spending $100-200k(?) on their programs.
Private Citizen
December 27th, 2012
1:15 pm
mountain man you can be anything you want to be
this is not true. people need to identify their own gifts / identity. that is “what you can be.” Mountain Man, I have it on good authority that you can not be a ballet person or concert pianist. but there is likely something you can “be” to be the best at something, but you are going to have to identify it yourself and perhaps find a mentor based on what you decide. The point is, education doctrine or management should not strike a pose and use lies to appropriate identity.
Mountain Man, you or I or anyone else here can not do this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_CpwM0czQY In fact, dismissing identity is an insult to the recognition of individuals who accomplish anything and makes a mockery of identity and accomplishment.
keepin' it real
December 27th, 2012
1:30 pm
“She’ll never amount to anything because she doesn’t understand math.” Funny, this quote came from my second grade teacher during a parent-teacher conference, and I over-heard she and my mother discussing my poor math skills. I have never never ever forgotten this horrible woman. Perhaps it was her teaching ability? I have a masters and post masters in science and am successful. What the heck do these teachers know? Nothing!
bootney farnsworth
December 27th, 2012
2:02 pm
slogans worth teaching/embracing:
-pray to God, but row towards shore
-respect yourself
-stand out by standing up
-integrity is doing the right thing when no one is looking
mountain man
December 27th, 2012
2:04 pm
Or how about this slogan: “Treat people the way you would want them to treat you.”
bootney farnsworth
December 27th, 2012
2:04 pm
@ mountain man,
I agree. you gotta be realistic, but hard work and desire overcome a lot.
plus, if you don’t try, you don’t know
bootney farnsworth
December 27th, 2012
2:05 pm
or this: do onto others as they have done to you. but don’t give them a chance to do it again
bootney farnsworth
December 27th, 2012
2:07 pm
worthless slogans:
-think outside the box
-soft answer turns away wrath
-the truth will set you free
bootney farnsworth
December 27th, 2012
2:09 pm
at the end of the day, self esteem comes from hard work and achievement, not meaningless phrases and condesending sloganmasters
bootney farnsworth
December 27th, 2012
2:12 pm
most useless slogans ever
-shared governance.
-responsible leadership
-accountability at the top
Ole Guy
December 27th, 2012
2:29 pm
These…”motivational”…slogans have been around for eons. The educational leaders, of the 60s, used to piss me off with these trite expressions: “work hard. blah blah blah”. Let’s just realize that, in their zeal to motivate, many educators simply…don’t have it. Some of the most technical-worthy, subject matter experts were great at plying their trade…educating kids in the art and science of a high school education, but they were lousy at the motivation game. let’s face it (from my experience), motivation, in and of itself, comes from making the grade, whether it’s aceing that test or barely passing a tough nut course. I was equally ellated in barely passing a chem test as I was in maxing an English exam; by the same token, missing a few questions on that English test pissed me off more than missing a few on trig, chem, or physics…all spheroid busters.
Let’s talk, for a moment, about promoting the self esteem thing…THERE’S SIMPLY TOO DAMN MUCH OF IT. From my short exposure in the classroom, far too much time and energy was expended/wasted on issues of self esteem. If the educational philosophy was more-focused on subject mastery and not so much on those touchy feely things like “does little johnny feel good about himself today”, we would be liteyears ahead in preping kids for the mean ole world. If little johnny busted an exam; if little johnny simply ain’t a-gettin it…HE’S SUPPOSED TO FEEL BAD ABOUT HIMSELF; NO AMOUNT OF PSUEDO-MOTIVATIONAL SNAKE OIL IS GONNA ENABLE HIM TO BUST ANY LEARNING BARRIERS. Among a few other reasons, this penchant, within the educational camp, was a major reason for my deciding to leave education (a would-be second career) and return to “my world”.
Teachers, in employing these silly motivational tactics, you aren’t giving your kids enough credit. Be tough, (figuratively speaking) pop em on the six a few times…if they truly want it, they’ll get it; if they don’t/if they want to be losers, no amount of “motivation” will hack it. The education system has to be willing to “drop” a few”. The world will always need menial laborers. DON”T try to change that. The cream will ALWAYS rise.
Prof
December 27th, 2012
2:37 pm
I myself favor William Blake’s slogans:
Prudence is a rich ugly old maid courted by Incapacity.
and
If the fool would persist in his folly he would become wise.
ColonelJack
December 27th, 2012
2:44 pm
A year or so ago, I had a student in my 7th grade class whose goal in life was to be a professional football player. Unlike many who make that declaration, he had the size and (for his age) the skills to at least make a good run at it. What he couldn’t do well was read, or write, or do any kind of math, or even stay awake in the classroom. (Of course, he was allowed to play on our middle school’s football team … he *is* a good player!) The morning after a game, while he was still reaping the accolades of his classmates for his great playing, I asked him about his dreams for the NFL. He seemed confident, even cocky about it. Then I reminded him that he would have to be drafted out of college, as the NFL doesn’t have a minor-league system as such. His expression changed in a heartbeat. “College? I gotta go to college?” (That’s an exact quote, by the way.) I assured him that yes, all NFL players have at least some college experience, and while the best-of-the-best may opt for the NFL before exhausting all of their college eligibility, there were exactly zero players in the NFL who were drafted out of high school.
I wish I could say it caused in him a great awakening. It did bring about a minor increase in effort…for a while, anyway. I guess he still thinks he’ll be the LeBron James of football, drafted to the pros right out of high school.
BADA BING
December 27th, 2012
2:50 pm
Want a slogan?
This is a APS T- shirt for Beverly Fraud
“My Child Is An Honor Student”
(Subject to an ongoing investigation)
Uh
December 27th, 2012
2:57 pm
The “Make it a great day or not, the choice is yours” script is part of a character education program called Project Wisdom. Georgia mandates schools do character education, and Project Wisdom is a quick way and relatively inexpensive way to meet the requirement. Each day, there’s a little story or scenario that teaches a superficial lesson which simply concludes with the “make it a great day or not” line. It’s probably useless,but at least it doesn’t take a lot of time away from real academic instruction.
Political Mongrel
December 27th, 2012
3:31 pm
Unfortunately, unrealistic blather is the name of the game in so many areas of society. Politics and religion are the worst.
Old timer
December 27th, 2012
3:41 pm
In my room used to be two quotes
“it is not your aptitude but your attitude that determines your altitude in life”. Jessie Jackson
“You have a brain in your head and feet in your shoes. You can go any direction you choose”.
I did spend a good bit of time at the beginning of the year talking about attitude and I never “gave” a grade to a student they did not earn.
Eddie Hall
December 27th, 2012
3:48 pm
Eddie Hall? Eddie? Maureen, wake up! Seems we have our first winner of the beat a quick and hasty retreat when asked to defend the validity of an attack T Shirt.
I did not retreat Beverly, I just went to work. I don’t question your sincerity or right for that matter to question the issue, but once a horse is dead, it’s dead.
As I asked, did you want the award?
TeacherMom4
December 27th, 2012
3:53 pm
We do “Project Wisdom” every day on the morning announcements, followed by the “Make it a great day or not,” spiel. Like most other things, the kids who listen are not the ones who need to hear it.
Ed Johnson
December 27th, 2012
3:54 pm
Dangerous slogans for education and life? How about these?
“The mission of Atlanta Public Schools is to educate all students through academic excellence, preparing them for success in life, service and leadership.”
“The vision of Atlanta Public Schools is to be a student-centered, high-performing urban school district where all students become successful life-long learners and leaders.”
Mission and vision or just plain old hackneyed slogans that seem so horribly reminiscent of the Beverly Hall era?
Beverly Fraud
December 27th, 2012
4:32 pm
“I did not retreat Beverly, I just went to work. I don’t question your sincerity or right for that matter to question the issue, but once a horse is dead, it’s dead.”
Fair enough; but the horse isn’t dead; did the IOC say “the horse is dead” and let Marion Jones keep her medals?
Did the sanctioning body of the Tour de France let Lance Armstrong keep his victories because “the horse is dead”?
Did Penn State let the Paterno statue stand in memorial because Joe is dead?
No, no, and no. Why? Because each of those institutions know that innocent people were wronged, and continuing to honor them is a slap in the face to those who were wronged.
In each case reporters saw the legitimacy of asking the question.
In this case, should an education organization be held to a lower standard that a sports organization? Should Maureen be held to a lower standard than a sports reporter?
Truth in Moderation
December 27th, 2012
4:35 pm
This Bible “slogan” should be taught in all schools:
“For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.”
2 Thessalonians 3:10
Beverly Fraud
December 27th, 2012
4:36 pm
Want a slogan?
This is a APS T- shirt for Beverly Fraud
“My Child Is An Honor Student”
(Subject to an ongoing investigation)
It’s an honest T-Shirt!
BADA BING
December 27th, 2012
4:53 pm
APS T-shirt
“Beverly Hall Won A National Teaching Award, And All My Child Got Was A Lousy Education”
Cindy Lutenbacher
December 27th, 2012
6:31 pm
@Beverly Fraud–I had work.
My response had to do with staying on topic and with your attacks on Maureen and others–not your recurrent concerns over Beverly Hall. I really wish this blog could be a place for sincere discussion.
Also, it’s an either/or fallacy to assume that requests to stay on topic and to desist from attacks to the person mean a speaker or writer endorses the actions of people such as Paterno, Sandusky, Hall, or others.
Beverly Fraud
December 27th, 2012
8:01 pm
@Beverly Fraud–I had work.
My response had to do with staying on topic and with your attacks on Maureen and others–not your recurrent concerns over Beverly Hall. I really wish this blog could be a place for sincere discussion.
Again Cindy, you miss the point; it’s not about Beverly Hall; it’s about the thousands of educators who chose to do things the right way. It’s about those educators whose careers were destroyed by trying to stand up to cheating. It’s about an organization continuing to slap those ethical educators in the face by honoring someone who dishonored the entire education profession.
Again, how is talking about Beverly Hall’s actions an attack on her as a person? Answer; it’s not.
And that’s less problematic to you Cindy than “staying on topic”? Seriously? And what exactly about the above points is “insincere”? (I mean seriously, we are talking about “slogans” not world peace after all.)
And for that matter Maureen wasn’t “attacked” either. Her specific action of making a choice not to address this issue was brought under question. How is that an “attack”?
Cindy Lutenbacher
December 27th, 2012
8:13 pm
Beverly Fraud, my comments about ad hominem attacks do not relate to Beverly Hall at all. I am not talking about your comments about her. Are we clear on that?
You attack others regularly. You make sarcastic comments and direct them to specific individuals, rather than talking about issues.
I’m weary of you dragging Beverly Hall into every discussion. It is a diversion. Here, you got off on the idea of Hall having received an award, and you seem very troubled that there is not a continual storm of voices that the award be retracted—long, long after she’s gone.
Again, you seem to fall for the either/or fallacy in your response to me.
Beverly Fraud
December 27th, 2012
8:32 pm
“You attack others regularly. You make sarcastic comments and direct them to specific individuals, rather than talking about issues.”
@Cindy, if you want to say I make sarcastic comments fine; if you want to extrapolate from that I do not engage in education issues, I think my track record says otherwise.
Case in point: this very issue It’s an issue about restoring integrity and honoring people who did things the right way. You seem to continually avoid that.
To say “long after she is gone” is beside the point. Joe Paterno is as “gone” as it gets. He’s dead. Yet the people of Penn State knew it was fair and just to remove his statue, as it was an insult to the victims of Jerry Sandusky, based on Paterno’s non-actions.
Marion Jones is “long gone” from the international track scene; yet the IOC knew it was fair and just to remove her medals, as it would be an insult to those who competed against her and an insult to the competition itself.
Yes it bothers me that there is not a continual storm of voices that the award be retracted, as I think that is a damning indictment of educators in this state knowing full well what their fellow professional endured in a corporate culture of fear and intimidation (or have you forgotten the APS teacher who was made to sit under a table? Have you forgotten the teachers who were fired merely for speaking out against an ethical outrage?)
Herb Garrett and GSSA apparently have forgotten. As have apparently many Georgia teachers. They have forgotten those dedicated professionals who needlessly suffered because they attempted to do the right thing.
They deserve better than to be forgotten, they deserve to better than to have one who betrayed them and the children of Atlanta allowed the designation of being a “Superintendent of the Year”
There is a reason they remove Paterno’s statue took away Jones’s medals and vacated (I’m sure Maureen can relate) Janet Cooke’s Pulitizer when it was based on a fabricated story.
Should we expect any less of GSSA than we did of Penn State, the IOC and the Pulitzer committee in the above actions?
Yes I find the fact that perhaps educators don’t demand more of “educational leaders” very problematic. Do not their fellow educators who were victims of this scandal deserve more?
Beverly Fraud
December 27th, 2012
8:41 pm
“Again, you seem to fall for the either/or fallacy in your response to me.”
I don’t think I do, and here’s why. We have three choices here.
My postings bother you more than Herb Garrett’s lack of response on the Superintendent award.
My postings bother you less than Herb Garrett’s lack of response on the Superintendent award.
My postings bother you the same as Herb Garret’s lack of response on the Superintendent award.
Whether you are greatly bothered or not at all bothered, I don’t see, logically speaking, a fourth choice.
You have chosen to comment on my posts, and have expressed displeasure in them. While it doesn’t definitively prove, it does indicate that you are then more bothered with my postings than Herb Garrett’s actions.
As such I would not make an attack, but ask a question; what does it say about an educator who is more bothered by a poster on a blog, than (apparently) an education leader in this state who would make a conscious, deliberate choice to honor an educator “long after” (to borrow your term) who disgraced an entire education profession, and destroyed the careers of many dedicated educational professionals in the process?
How is that not a fair and legitimate question to ask?
Beverly Fraud
December 27th, 2012
8:53 pm
Maureen you can hold off on one of the T-Shirts.
But as it stands now, I’ve yet to see someone make a case as to why it is not a fair and legitimate question to ask of GSSA, in light of the established precedent of organizations as varied as Penn State, the IOC, the Pulitzer Committee, the Grammys, and others who have decided it is the morally right thing to do when an award winner has been found to have cheated or otherwise not been worthy of an honor.
And if educators don’t think it’s an important question to ask, what does that say about the importance they place on issues such as honor and integrity?
An Army Ranger will risk his very life to drag a dead comrade to safe haven. Honor and integrity. But Georgia educators can’t even find it within themselves to ask an educational leader to honor victims of the largest cheating scandal in United States educational history to rescind the award given based on the lies of that very scandal?
catlady
December 27th, 2012
9:04 pm
I’d add “Making every student successful.” We are exhorted to do this, but it comes at a price, and we all know what it is: There comes a point where we cannot modify, adapt, or accomodate the curriculum to make the student “appear” successful and still be true to the content.
Private Citizen
December 27th, 2012
9:54 pm
In my personal experience attending the best schools in the United States, there were no slogans anywhere and none mentioned – ever. Not once. Particularly, in high school no teacher spent a moment of their time making themed bulletin boards for the halls, although we had slate floors and couches in the halls. I was fortunate in attending the last days of an old, old campus prior to a move to new facilities in large part because of cost / savings of modern thermal efficiency (cost to heat/ cool). Anyway, no slogans and no one would have put up with. We were trained to quickly identify and attack bad ideas (you may have noticed). People who use slogans essentially are vacant individuals evidencing bad character. To force others to do it is criminal. Somebody needs to write a law to prohibit government schools “character training.” It is someone bad LSD ego trip being forced upon others and leads to bad things. Many, many bad things, the first being worker intimidation practiced by people who are essentially crooks. Giving them an arsenal of required character is basically a weapon they use against teachers. It is a low mindset that attracts a low person to originate and enforce this fakery and it is an example of disrespect of individuals and poor psychological boundaries. Someone needs to clean up this garbage dump that is state policy forcing contrived “character” education and using bad character to enforce this trash on professionals and students.
Private Citizen
December 27th, 2012
9:58 pm
You folks make jokes about t-shirts, but in the age of computers and internet, it is quite doable to make such t-shirts real per order. Count me in and mine to be “Race to The Top Dog Biscuits” using a font / logo similar to Ritz brand crackers.
Private Citizen
December 27th, 2012
10:07 pm
I like this because it does not slander anyone. You could were the shirt in Colorado, or anywhere else, to good effect:
My Child Is An Honor Student”
(Subject to an ongoing investigation)
_______________
I always though there should be an add-on:
“My Child Is An Honor Student”
Your kid should have attend a more difficult school.
red herring
December 27th, 2012
10:23 pm
back in the early 70’s i was one of the top athletes at a AA high school in georgia–my parents raised me to get an education first –and one year kept me out of spring football because i made a “C” in a class— they believed (and correctly so) that i went to school to get an education first and everything else was o.k. so long as i was getting my education. we need to get back to those values and if nothing else we need to have the schools start to impose them—i can hear screams of “discrimination” now –but it would be best for the children. they also need to understand that not everybody can be a doctor/professor/nurse/lawyer but there is also a great need for other vocations as well— i have never met a decent welder that was out of work. vocational skills are good to learn and children should be taught to consider those areas where they are most likely to meet with success in getting a job and having a good career. my son received a degree in political science and now wonders why he invested so much of his time and money in an education that he will never use. children/young adults need career counseling greatly so that they make wise choices in their education and beginning careers. children’s “interior growth”, etc is fine so long as they are pointed in the direction of a decent job to support themselves while they strive to increase/improve their “interior growth”. i’d rather see a successful welder that became a successful poet later in life than a successful poet who spent 20 years of his life on welfare. kids can “explore themselves”, “know thyself”, etc and take time to do so at their leisure as long as they are prepared to pay for their own gas and groceries while doing so. an education is a wonderful thing but so is a job that pays your bills.
Dr. Socrates
December 27th, 2012
10:43 pm
The most dangerous of these three slogans is “You can be anything you want to be”. Not only does it imply an equality among people that does not actually exist in nature (or forced by law), but it also leads to self-hate when one fails at doing something for which they are not equipped mentally or physically. This one slogan is responsible for more problems than the other two by far. People are not equal. We are all endowed with different genes, born in different environments, born in different socioeconomic strata, and reared in different emotional and psychological circumstances. The political statement that “all men are created equal” does not mean, under any circumstance, that men will remain that way.
chuck
December 27th, 2012
10:51 pm
There’s a snippet about a study done by the author of “Mindset”, Carol Dweck, at this site:
http://blogs.wsj.com/informedreader/2007/02/13/the-praise-a-child-should-never-hear/
Masciuba’s essay is well written but this is by no means a new idea. Educator’s and coaches have been talking about this since this whole “self-esteem is important” movement began. We have a President who was obviously raised in that system. School Districts have made it nearly impossible to tell the truth in parent conferences or allow students to fail. It’s why we as a society are so willing to take money FROM successful people to give TO losers. We’ve created a society of whiners who are devastated when you inform them they have failed, but who are absolutely UNWILLING to put in the work it takes to succeed. That’s what we have come to.
bu2
December 28th, 2012
9:39 am
ALL elementary school boys want to be professional athletes. Elementary kids should dream. In addition to professional athlete I dreamed of being an astronaut, archeologist and secret agent. Kids just need to learn Dirty Harry in middle school, “A man’s got to know his limitations.” And Vince Lombardi-”its not the will to win, its the will to prepare to win.”
janet
December 28th, 2012
3:28 pm
“We are all endowed with different genes, born in different environments, born in different socioeconomic strata, and reared in different emotional and psychological circumstances. The political statement that “all men are created equal” does not mean, under any circumstance, that men will remain that way.”
I completely agree with this statement. I never tell my kids that all people are created equal, because it’s just not true. Instead, I tell them that God made us all different from each other…. and that’s okay. I try to point out specific examples in their lives (friends/reletives etc) who are remarkably good at certain things while another friend has a different talent. I do engange in alot of inspirational quote “mumbo jumbo” and have several inspirational plaques in our home as they have helped me thru some tough spots in my own life. But I always, ALWAYS preface them with the importance of hard work, determination, natural talent, and making good choices.
I grew up the daughter of a coal miner in the Applachian belt and my parents, although amazing parents in many ways, did not believe the value of being “inspired”. I was pretty much raised, you put your nose to the girndstone whether you enjoy it or not, you work harder and work longer than anyone else, and keep your head down. So work hard was pretty much the only philosphy I grew up with… and it did end up benefiting me because when I did apply for my “dream job”, I was told that I was far above the competition with full time work experience, multiple internships, and a full course load.
For me, where the inspiration part came in is when someone that I respected, a professor, and my first boss told me flat out that I suck and would not make it in my field. I had a really hard time recovering from that because no one had ever told me those silly slogans… “when you get knocked down, get right back up”, or “never back down”, or to “believe in the beauty of your dreams”. I had to discover them on my own. So I will argue that inspiring children with quotes and mantras are very important. They just can’t be the only thing.
Dr. John Trotter
December 29th, 2012
12:11 am
@ Beverly Fraud: I am a little late to this thread, but I just finished reading comments. You are right on target, and don’t grow feint because some claim that they are “tired” of your posts. Perhaps they work for Herb Garrett or GSBA. Ha! Keep pouring it on, brother — or sister. Ha!
Mitch
December 29th, 2012
2:00 pm
Some sayings from my old Dutchy family. “You teacher may not know everything but she knows more than you do:. “Everybody knows something that you do not know”:. “Your job is to learn from everyone” “Do not tell a lie but remember that not every truth needs to be told”. ‘Waste not, want not” Thanks folks.
Lee
December 30th, 2012
5:48 pm
It took three days, but I’m finally out of moderation. In the meantime, BF has posted about 75 times.
Go figure…
Maureen Downey
December 31st, 2012
9:54 am
@Lee, On vacation last week and on the road without Internet. Sorry for the delay.
Maureen
Ole Guy
January 2nd, 2013
5:09 pm
WIN IN RVN, OCS, 1968, Benning School for Boys
We saw where that slogan went. Whether within the (relative) innocense of the classroom, or within the harsh realities of the world, these slogans, as a whole, serve little purpose and, in fact, may serve to undermine the reason de etre of the slogan.
In politics, we see much “sloganeering” which, contrary to the intended effect, often works against the message. Likewise with the deluge of advertisements we are bombarded with daily; slogans which are aimed at those “less-capable” (in terms of exercising that lost artform of critical thought).
So to goes the educational slogans which, quite frankly, either serve to insult the integrity of those who know why they are in the classroom or provide the “less-capable” targets toward which they just might direct their efforts, only to become false targets of “non-accomplishment”, such as the multitude of touchy feely degrees which, long with a dollar or two, just might get the bearor a cup of cofffee.
Slogans aside, the ONLY way the kid will succeed is to WANT to succeeed…and that, children, only comes from within; not some frilly slogans.