Goals for Southern states: More graduates, better educated

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B. Killebrew

December 23rd, 2012
1:14 am

There’s nothing here.

Private Citizen

December 23rd, 2012
4:49 am

Poetic, considering that the announcing of “goals” is pretty vacant as a means for action. Is this more “sports” language? Here’s something real. Protect your food supply. From the Center for Science in the Public Interest, “Tell the USDA To Put An End to Deceptive-Labeling” http://my.cspinet.org/site/PageServer

Michele

December 23rd, 2012
5:16 am

Nice Article! At least, it isn’t controversial.

Lee

December 23rd, 2012
6:48 am

“Goals for Southern States: More graduates, better educated”

Well, they University of North Carolina has the blueprint for the “More Graduates” piece. “Better Educated”? Not so much….

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/8765672/north-carolina-tar-heels-investigation-reveals-academic-scandal-african-american-studies-department

Pride and Joy

December 23rd, 2012
6:53 am

Very well said! Goals — more graduates — better educated.
SUCCINCT!
I like it.

Ole Guy

December 23rd, 2012
7:40 am

Goals for Ole Guy:

Peace on Earth
Good will among men

FAT CHANCE!

Jack ®

December 23rd, 2012
7:45 am

I suppose it was a little early for Miss Maureen to be posting her piece: However, the title says a lot. But I honestly think the reason we don’t have better educated students is that we have abandoned the basics and are depending on dumbed-down electronic systems designed to disguise failing.

South Georgia

December 23rd, 2012
8:12 am

This could be a test.

crankee-yankee

December 23rd, 2012
8:17 am

Lofty aim, but the only way I see to attain it will be a fundamental culture shift for various sub-groups.

indigo

December 23rd, 2012
8:26 am

It could happen, providing we get a significant upgrade in the quality of our students.

Pride and Joy

December 23rd, 2012
8:30 am

indigo, teachers are responsible for the “quality” of students.
Parents are responsible for the “quality” of manners in their children.
If you want parents to be responsible for the quality of the student, then forfeit your teacher’s salary and benefits; I’ll take that money and send my children ot private school where teachers take responsibility for the education.

Pride and Joy

December 23rd, 2012
8:31 am

I’ll bet taht even with no content in the article, the comments will all be the same.
Indigo already got it started.

Lee

December 23rd, 2012
8:34 am

So, I guess including a link to “african american studies scandal” will get you in the moderation time out box.

Interesting…

HS Math Teacher

December 23rd, 2012
8:37 am

Notice it was posted at 1:01 a.m. Too much egg nog? Maybe she did post something, but none of it made it through the filter.

Just kidding, Maureen.

Attentive Parent/Invisible Serfs Collar

December 23rd, 2012
8:46 am

The Equity in Credentials movement is coming out of the UN where it is known as the Bologna Process. The medieval Italian university, not cold cuts. UNESCO started an aggressive push to reform higher ed globally in 1998 and the US is getting on board, especially with what is called the Social Dimensions aspect. Backgrounds, language deficits, learning disabilities, nothing is to be an impediment to Equity in Credentials. Needless to say this is a boon to the higher ed sector but there cannot be much to getting the degree or reality itself would form a barrier. http://www.invisibleserfscollar.com/college-ready-as-a-goal-of-k-12-is-not-helpful-if-first-you-gut-the-historic-purpose-of-college/

We are thus at that revolution feeding reality where we are creating expensive expectations for the future in young people that cannot possibly be met. Especially in a free economy. College for all thus becomes a recipe for a government directed economy. Can you imagine if buggy makers had been connected to politicians in such an economy?’

We would have stayed with Mercedes for the rich but no Model T for us. That’s the real beauty of free markets and trade. It takes luxuries and eventually they become mass market goods. Except not in a Crony Dirigiste world. There’s a reason people pushing College for all like Anthony Carnevale are actually Labor Economist until they saw ed advocacy as the ticket to the same goal of a bureaucrat controlled economy that exists for the benefit of the politically connected.

By the way the next step along with Equity of credentials is then everyone needs graduate degrees to differentiate. And government officials impose Qualifications Frameworks regulating who business may hire. For small business such regulations are hard to pass on and they cannot afford an employee who can ONLY operate as part of a team.

Some things simply cannot be a group project if payroll is to be met.

This is Mrs. Norman Maine

December 23rd, 2012
8:52 am

What else is there to say?

Private Citizen

December 23rd, 2012
9:15 am

College for all thus becomes a recipe for a government directed economy.

I think it’s pretty obvious that “college for all” feeds the debt industry. When you already have a trillion dollars in existent college debt and the government is bluntly promoting “college for all” in the current circumstances, please, please add 1 + 1 and come up with 2.

Private Citizen

December 23rd, 2012
9:47 am

indigo

December 23rd, 2012
10:24 am

Pride and Joy – 8:30

The abysmal level of ignorance shown by that post indicates the below is a site much more suited to your level of education and itellect:

http://www.bing.com/news/search?q=honey+boo&qpvt=honey+boo&FORM=EWRE

Dr. Proud Black Man

December 23rd, 2012
10:34 am

Only 4 posts before the “usual” dog whistler shows up. Must be a lazy day in Dixie.

paulo977

December 23rd, 2012
10:39 am

“Better educated graduates ” To do what?
Drill kids more ?

Jerry Eads

December 23rd, 2012
10:44 am

Look forward to hearing your explanation :-) .
The very best to you and yours for the holidays, Maureen. AND to everyone else here too.
Lighten up, all. Try to spend at least a few hours without being angry.
Jer

indigo

December 23rd, 2012
10:45 am

Dr. Proud Black Man

What is it you’re proud of?

Private Citizen

December 23rd, 2012
11:00 am

“Pride.” You know, it’s an “emotion.” Much in demand these days. Saleable. You can live in a $200k house if you know how to market emotions, even codify them into law. Likely thousands do. Hmmm. Just a test… let’s see…

He passed the Test! Hooray! No emotions here: http://www.doe.k12.ga.us/Pages/Home.aspx

Mrnumbersman

December 23rd, 2012
11:01 am

One issue to address here is what counts as a high school graduate? In several states the GED is counted as a high school diploma. I’m not debating the merits of the GED but for all of the numbers we see about Georgia’s high school graduation rate, the GED is not counted. And there are a number of people who complete their GED within their 5 year cohort window.

Presently, there are those who also complete all class requirements but do not pass the tests are not counted as graduates. However, there exists states that don’t require graduation examinations. So, as we are talking about raising the rate of graduates and comparing ourselves to other states, we should make sure we are on the same page.

Attentive Parent/Invisible Serfs Collar

December 23rd, 2012
11:05 am

Who’s angry Jerry? Just got my Yule Log my kids have to have for Christmas Eve and the rest of my ingredients for Pasta Bolognese. Luckily I remembered to get ground veal early and did not have to change menu.

Private Citizen-you do realize part of the Obamacare legislation federalized the student loan industry. The creditor you are referring to is now the federal government. Since they have no money but what we pay in taxes or the debt they take on, all that student loan debt is now being financed by taxpayers. If the loan defaults, we are the ones who won’t be paid back. Higher ed got our money at the time tuition was paid.

So the high ed debt problem will be another burst bubble with taxpayers on the hook. And little marketable knowledge and skills according to the criteria laid out by both the accreditors and the UN and in that Crucible Report released last January that I wrote about above.

Private Citizen

December 23rd, 2012
11:49 am

Collar, call it how you want, but the higher-ed debt situation is completely crazy and is unique to the United States. There’s still a lot of online “college” schools whacking people for $20k/year for online study. Just one day and one conversation, told of a local person got involved with an online school and failed out and now has $50k debt. This is just completely predatory how these things have developed, come up, grown. I know the fed is trying to regulate online schools, but it is an incredible situation, giving these places the keys to student monies through “financial aid.” It’s still going on, too.

indigo

December 23rd, 2012
11:49 am

Private Citizen – 11:00

Please tell me what you’re drinking.

I would like to order a case.

Then mabye, like you, I can spend the rest of today in la la land.

Tom

December 23rd, 2012
12:04 pm

It remains Southern states in which we still find legislators or board members trying to sneak creation mythology into the science classroom…or at least trying to get actual science removed from it when that fails.

Until we get rid of idiots trying to intentionally hobble our children intellectually, we don’t stand a chance.

bootney farnsworth

December 23rd, 2012
12:22 pm

this has got to be my favorite column ever. direct, to the point, uneditorialized

bootney farnsworth

December 23rd, 2012
12:24 pm

@ Jerry,

think the dog ate her column?

Jan

December 23rd, 2012
12:28 pm

@ Pride and Joy… Your statement doesn’t wash with me…
Education STARTS at home. No child should go to school without the very basic skills of knowing their colors, shapes, numbers, letters, etc. When you send a child to school WITHOUT these basic skills, you cannot expect the teacher to pick up the parents’ slack. Education CONTINUES at home with supporting the student’s efforts by reviewing homework, providing additional explanations as needed, communicating with the teachers, etc.

Yes, teaching manners at home (hmm… interesting concept there…. that TEACHING manners by a non-educator called a PARENT should happen at home) is also PART of the educational process.

So STOP suggesting that PARENTS should abdicate their role in the education of their children.

Prof

December 23rd, 2012
12:39 pm

This is Maureen’s very own Rorschach test for her bloggers.

Pride and Joy

December 23rd, 2012
12:52 pm

Jan, my parents didn’t do any educational activities for me. Neither did my friends’ parents. They went to work and paid the taxes to pay the teachers’ salaries and we learned. I never had any “extras” and sometimes didn’t have enough of the basics. I went to a poor school and yet I learned. I went to college, got an education and do very well for myself.
Teachers in my day took their profession seriously. Accountability did not have to be taught to them. They came to work owning it.
Teachers like you and Indigo give other good teachers a bad name. Teachers like Mary Elizabeth, a poster here, are professional educators. You and Indigo are a cheap knock-off.

Attentive Parent/Invisible Serfs Collar

December 23rd, 2012
1:13 pm

Jan-the Social Dimensions aspect to education reforms, K-12 and higher ed, means that there should be no impact on graduation rates, high school or college, from being a child whose parents couldn’t be bothered. And what goes on in each classroom has to reflect the inadequacies of children or young adults whose parents could not be bothered.

The limitations of the weakest students serve to limit what any student will be allowed to do in middle or high school or college. When I say all equal, we are being asked to be in the gutter together in terms of the actual calibre of academic work that can soon go on.

We are truly cruising for a catastrophe while various admins keep chasing after public dollars that cannot continue to be printed fast enough to meet everyone’s expectations.

Attentive Parent/Invisible Serfs Collar

December 23rd, 2012
1:15 pm

But we will have closed the achievement gap. And everyone will be worse off. Except the administrators. They will probably try to hire an Achievement Gap Closure Continued Compliance Director.

Lexi

December 23rd, 2012
4:22 pm

All for better education,but churning out graduates for its own sake likely will result in churning out uneducated school survivors.

Jan

December 23rd, 2012
4:45 pm

This social dimensions aspect to education reforms are exactly the reason I fired the public education system BEFORE my kids went to school. I did NOT want my kids educated to the lowest common denominator.

But I guess that is also why I chose to be bothered with teaching my kids. After all, if I didn’t want to be bothered, I shouldn’t have had them to start with.

William Casey

December 23rd, 2012
6:48 pm

Ahhh, the day will come when everyone has a Ph D. I’ve always wanted to checkout at WalMart with a clerk holding a Ph D.

catlady

December 23rd, 2012
7:16 pm

See, we can have fun with just a title!

Ole Guy

December 23rd, 2012
8:34 pm

977, don’t kid yourself…drill is the steping stone to mental discipline is the road to the key to “mental gymnastics”. In order to address the complex problems and issues of contemporary society, it is the flexibility of these mental gymnastics, borne of discipline, which will enable this generation to overcome any-and-all road blocks to prosperity.

How did earlier gens make possible space travel? How did later gens develop and refine the electronic wizardry which has become yet just another staple of life? The answers all lie in the basic components of mental discipline…drill, drill, drill.

As long as the reluctance to avoid a return to these ole fashioned ways of educating kids persists, so to will the difficulties faced by those who simply want to start life in earnest; not having to move back in with mom and dad. Just as with past gens, THEY, and they alone, will have to find the answers to problems into which they were born.

Merry Christmas…

Old timer

December 23rd, 2012
8:43 pm

What article

Private Citizen

December 23rd, 2012
9:51 pm

Prof

December 23rd, 2012
9:52 pm

To add to Ole Guy’s message: Happy Hanukkah, and have a good Kwanzaa…

RCB

December 23rd, 2012
9:57 pm

Guess I’m a scrooge. I just don’t think it can be done now. All I can envision is more flight from public schools. Great article….and Merry Christmas!

Peter Smagorinsky

December 24th, 2012
5:41 am

Thanks for the ink blot test Maureen. You post an amorphous headline only, and people post the same things they’d say for a whole article with content, no matter what it says.

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December 24th, 2012
11:05 am

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11:15 am

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December 24th, 2012
11:20 am

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V for Vendetta

December 24th, 2012
11:24 am

“More graduates”

What does that mean? After a healthy watering down of the standards and curriculum? Because let’s be honest; that’s the only way it’s going to happen, and we’re already on that path. (See the ridiculously fudged scores on tests such as the EOCT for evidence.)

“Better educated”

And what exactly is better educated? In regards to worldly knowledge, rigor, or student-specific abilities? This is an empty claim without qualifying it in some way or putting it into context.

Every year that passes leads to more and more meddling in education by the people who are the least qualified to do so. Perhaps this blog title should read “Goal for southern states: more honesty, less meddling.”