Should teachers be armed? Should parents be allowed to carry guns into schools?

Should teachers be armed?

Should parents with conceal carry permits be allowed to bring guns into schools?

Would it give a school under siege by an armed lunatic a fighting chance or would it lead to more violence?

These are the questions being asked in Michigan, where the Legislature passed a bill last week — over the protests of the state’s school boards — that would  allow concealed weapons in schools. Under the bill — now on the governor’s desk — citizens of Michigan who hold concealed weapons permits could bring firearms into schools, stadiums or churches, if they underwent additional training.

Supporters contend the law could help prevent another Newtown massacre.

According to the Detroit Free-Press:

Proponents of the legislation said if the bill is signed into law, it will give people the opportunity to respond to crimes and possibly stop a similar situation. “This kind of tragedy is hard to process, but if one person – a faculty member or a parent – could legally carry, at least it could have limited some of the mayhem,” said Rob Harris, media director for Michigan Open Carry Inc., on Friday. “This legislation has to be passed to at least have a fighting chance against the evil in this world.”

The Michigan Legislature passed Senate Bill 59 on Thursday, which tweaks the concealed weapons law by allowing gun owners who receive eight additional hours of training to carry their weapons in formerly gun-free areas, such as day care centers, schools, hospitals, churches and stadiums and bars.

There about 350,000 concealed pistol license holders throughout the state who would be eligible for the additional training, Harris said. The bill sponsored by state Sen. Mike Green, R-Mayville, also states that schools, including public universities, and privately owned buildings could choose to prohibit guns if owners desire.

The Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners also backed the legislation. Green is a member of the organization’s board. “We were fully behind it because what happens when you disarm law abiding people is there is nobody to stop the crazy people,” said Steve Dulan, spokesman for the organization.

Dulan said most gun owners are responsible. “Many gun owners take their guns with them to the shopping mall where there are kids,” Dulan said. “Schools will be no different than shopping malls.”

It is unclear if Gov. Rick Snyder will sign the bill into law. “The governor said that this bill was going to be already going through a careful review and analysis,” said Snyder’s spokeswoman, Sara Wurfel.

The American Federation of Teachers opposes the law, and explains why in this letter:

Dear Gov. Snyder:

On behalf of the 1.5 million members of the American Federation of Teachers, including the 35,000 members of AFT Michigan, we ask you to veto Senate Bill 59, which would rewrite Michigan’s gun laws to permit persons to bring concealed firearms into schools, college dorms, churches, hospitals, bars and sports stadiums.

Firearms have absolutely no place in our schools—the Dec. 14th tragic massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., is a chilling and heartbreaking reminder of this. Twenty innocent young children have been robbed of their lives, many shot multiple times. Six public servants, who were trying to save these children, were murdered in an environment that should be considered a safe sanctuary for students, educators and school visitors.

We’ve witnessed other horrendous tragedies in our lifetime involving gunfire at schools and universities with devastating consequences — 32 innocent people cut down at Virginia Tech, 16 murdered at the University of Texas at Austin, and 13 students and faculty executed at Columbine High School.

Permitting firearms in schools — visible or concealed — enables a dangerous set of circumstances that can result in similar tragic outcomes. We should be doing everything we can to reduce the possibility of any gunfire in schools, and concentrate on ways to keep all guns off school property and ensure the safety of children and school employees.

Gov. Snyder, please show the kind of leadership that students, families, educators and community members need to be as safe as possible in their schools. You can set an example for Michigan and the nation by taking this small but significant step to reduce gun violence by vetoing S.B. 59.

Sincerely,

Randi Weingarten, President

David Hecker, President, American Federation of Teachers AFT Michigan

–From Maureen Downey, for the AJC Get Schooled blog

94 comments Add your comment

Rick L in ATL

December 17th, 2012
12:46 pm

Israeli teachers carry guns openly, and are highly trained in how to use them, and when is the last time you heard about a teacher’s gun in Israel causing an injury to a child? Exactly.

We can and should learn from a culture that faced an unacceptable level of vulnerability and did the grown-up thing: it placed the protection of children above all other considerations, including and especially political ones.

bootney farnsworth

December 17th, 2012
12:56 pm

I can see arguements both ways. like it or not, part of living in our society means acknowledging we have a violent streak.

I do think every school should have armed (yes, live ammo armed) security on sight, as well as a host of non lethal restraints like tasers, pepper spray, ect. and they should be trained in karate or some such.

if districts allow teachers to carry, they need to be checked 9 ways to Sunday and go through rigorous training, with the training officer having the right to refuse permission.

Edugator

December 17th, 2012
1:02 pm

An angry, frustrated, parent with a gun? For that matter, a stressed out teacher or administrator? Not a good idea. We’re not going to make society safer by arming everyone to the teeth, and we’re not Israel, where enemies lurk at every corner. Keep the ban on guns in the schools, and while we’re at it, let’s look at reasonable limits on what guns people can own. If we have to model ourselves after other nations, focus on those like Japan where gun crimes are infrequent.

MB

December 17th, 2012
1:03 pm

Properly licensed adults should absolutely be allowed to carry in schools and on college campuses as well as in churches if in the case of churches the private property owner allows licensed owners to carry.. Gun free mass killing zones should be eliminated.

bootney farnsworth

December 17th, 2012
1:04 pm

a valid objection which will arise is why not just tasers and such. why a gun?

simple. tasers and such require getting close to the target. a firearm in the hands of a trained and competent user does not. teacher A six doors down might be able to stop some psycho on a rampage
with a firearm at a distance. not possible with non lethal means.

bootney farnsworth

December 17th, 2012
1:05 pm

no parents with guns allowed unless law enforcement or active duty military.

jd

December 17th, 2012
1:15 pm

Israel has stricter gun control laws than US and discourages private ownership.

jd

December 17th, 2012
1:16 pm

and those teachers are members of the military… perhaps if we require mandatory service — then we can identify the problems (through screening for service) and resource our security weaknesses appropriately

Scott

December 17th, 2012
1:16 pm

* An armed society is a polite society.
* You can only stop deadly force with deadly force.
* When seconds count the police are minutes away.

As a father of two elementary-aged children and teacher’s husband I am sensitive to their security needs. I am very well aware of how much is lacking at their school in terms of security and security drills. It is very easy to turn our schools into low-mid security prisons but that will not fix the problem of someone getting a weapon through whatever policies are in place and do evil acts.

The root cause of school massacres is a combination of three things: next to nothing for mental health treatment; federally mandated gun-free school zones; and severe lack of any useful means for self-defense in a school setting.

If my wife and several of her co-workers were able to securely store or carry weapons at work they have a much better chance at stopping a raving lunatic. There is a reason “shall not be infringed” is in the Second Amendment. Ignoring the constitution can have very bad, and often, unintended consequences.

The Deal

December 17th, 2012
1:21 pm

This discussion is embarrassing. Yes, let’s solve a mass shooting problem with more guns. Who is responsible when the gun accidentally goes off or when an intruder does come in and the teacher doesn’t defend his or her class with the gun or if, heaven forbid, a student gains access to the gun?

Would teachers be required to carry? Who would ensure that teachers are properly trained? What type of weapons would be allowed? Who would oversee the gun program, recertification? Would they be actually carrying, or would the guns and ammunition need to be locked somewhere? Would families be given the opportunity to transfer their children to a school where there are no guns? Would a list of teachers who are carrying be provided to parents?

Given that schools these days have problems doing their core job, teaching students, I don’t think it is realistic to think our schools can manage this. Just embarrassing and a sad statement on how gun-obsessed our country really is.

Rick L in ATL

December 17th, 2012
1:24 pm

Ask yourself this question: If your child’s teacher had been thoroughly trained by law enforcement to the extent where he or she could obtain a carry permit, and kept a loaded weapon in a locked (biometric?) safe at school, would you feel more or less confident about your child’s safety?

When the next Adam Lanza walks into a school, do you really want teachers to have to defend your child using only those rounded scissors?

Cindy Lutenbacher

December 17th, 2012
1:25 pm

I read (somewhere) that police officers’ bullets do not hit their targets 90 percent of the time. Even if that statistic is way off and only 50 percent of their bullets go astray, the thought is incredibly scary to me. Police officers are supposedly highly trained in both firearm use and in dealing with very dangerous and threatening situations.

So…if I extrapolate that idea to school settings in which teachers, parents, administrators, or other adults are carrying licensed firearms and have had eight additional hours of training, I wonder how many bullets would go astray? I think of a well-peopled parking lot in Arizona, or a crowded theater in Colorado, or an elementary school in Connecticut.

Despite those thus armed having the best intentions to protect others, my suspicion is that the massacres we have witnessed would have been multiplied umpteen times by stray–albeit well-meaning–bullets.

Van Jones

December 17th, 2012
1:27 pm

Especially now in the wake of the events in CT, I would LOVE for my kids’ school to have a few carriers that are hand-picked by the principal and heavily trained.
And I have no problem with parents who have gone through the background check, fingerprints, etc to carry also.

jd

December 17th, 2012
1:36 pm

When 9/11 happened we spent billions to make sure armed terrorists could not board planes — yet we do nothing similar for our children…

MB

December 17th, 2012
1:44 pm

“Permitting firearms in schools — visible or concealed — enables a dangerous set of circumstances that can result in similar tragic outcomes. ”

It sure does when the only one allowed to have a firearm in school is the criminal intent or murder who simply ignored laws prohibiting weapons or any signs on the front door which rendered all law abiding carriers defenseless. Kind of stacks the odds in favor of the murderer doesn’t it.

Latter Day

December 17th, 2012
1:45 pm

A small incremental change in the law regarding carry in schools by legal, licensed parents, faculty, staff and administration could reduce the potential of such a tragedy occurring in a Georgia school.

O.C.G.A. 16-11-127.1(c)7 states in part that, ” A person who is licensed in accordance with Code Section 16-11-129 or issued a permit pursuant to Code Section 43-38-10, when such person carries or picks up a student at a school building, school function, or school property” is exempt from the sections of the code prohibiting possession of a firearm on the campus of public and private elementary, secondary or high schools. Literally thousands of responsible Georgia Weapons Carry License holders bring their children to school and pick them up from school while legally armed. Despite diligent searching, I have not found a single instance of a Georgia Weapons Carry License holder committing violence with a firearm (or anything else, for that matter) while legally carrying a firearm in the course of picking up or dropping off a child.

The proposal to allow parents who are licensed to carry firearms in school at other times, or to allow faculty, staff or administration who are licensed to carry firearms to do so in school represents a small incremental change from that which is already legal in Georgia.

Current laws restricting the carry of firearms at schools by legal, licensed carriers do nothing to improve the safety of the schools and, in fact, diminishes the level of safety in the schools. Locations where guns are prohibited are more often the location of gun violence than those that are not. Making schools a “gun free zone” increases the potential for gun violence in the schools. Perpetrators of that gun violence are criminals who are not legally in possession of their firearms and will bring and use a firearm at a prohibited location no matter what the law says (they are criminals, after all).

Allowing faculty, staff or administration who are licensed to carry firearms to do so in school reduces the potential for such tragedies as occurred last week in Newtown, Connecticut and can reduce the number of innocent children and adults killed when the do occur — in those instances where gun violence has occurred where a legally armed citizen has been present and acts to protect life, the casualty rate is seven times lower than instances where gun violence occurs and no such legally armed citizen was present and taking action.

Looking at the question from a practical school safety perspective (rather than a political perspective around one of gun control), having legal, licensed adults carrying firearms in Georgia’s schools can only make them safer.

living in an outdated ed system

December 17th, 2012
2:08 pm

Teachers should NEVER be armed. NEVER should guns be allowed on school property.

MB

December 17th, 2012
2:14 pm

@living in an outdated system – How well is that strategy working out?

Latter Day

December 17th, 2012
2:15 pm

Living in an Outdated Ed System,

I appreciate that you feel very strongly about this matter. I also agree with your opinion about the current state of the education system suggested by your screen name. However, there are circumstances already where guns are allowed on school property (see my comment above) and there has been no detrimental result of legal, licensed adults carrying firearms on school property under those circumstances. Couples with a factual argument that locations that allow legal, licensed adults to carry firearms generally are less less likely to experience gun violence and that having legal, licensed adults carrying firearms reduces the casualty rate when such violence does occur (again see my comment above), what is the basis for your obviously strong feelings on the matter?

Guns are a divisive issue that evoke strong emotions on both sides. However, when decisions are made on a purely emotional basis the consequences can be tragic.

Pride and Joy

December 17th, 2012
2:17 pm

Of course not. Teachers and parents should not be armed and should be nowhere near a school with a gun.
NEVER. EVER. EVER.

Pride and Joy

December 17th, 2012
2:19 pm

Latter Day, you are the kind of person we need to protect our children and ourselves from. It is for people like you that we need gun control.
You are out of your mind.

MB

December 17th, 2012
2:22 pm

Thank you Latter Day. Your posts are well though out and concise. I’m afraid that my emotions are still a little raw after Friday.

The Deal

December 17th, 2012
2:25 pm

Continued embarrassment. Then again, this is Georgia. Thankfully there are other states in our country with well-educated, logical, humane, and intelligent people. Born and raised in the south, and I am embarrassed at this region’s continued backwards thinking on almost every important issue. This region has been and is the last to come around on slavery, segregation, civil rights, religious zealotry, racism, gay rights, and gun control.

Cue the “don’t let the door hit you on the way out” messages…

living in an outdated ed system

December 17th, 2012
2:25 pm

I know my opinion is a minority opinion in this part of the country. I am not a native and do not apologize for my POV on this issue. I’d probably be ok with metal detectors and security guards, but that’s it.

I am sorry but we can agree to disagree on this one.

Pride and Joy

December 17th, 2012
2:27 pm

Van Jones, here is the issue. YOU may want pistol packing parents and teachers in the school but I don’t and you don’t have a right to barge into my school that I pay for with my tax dollars and demand gun-toting carriers.
If that’s what you want, go for it. Start your own Pistol Packing Academy out in the country somewhere there is no chance for your guns to go off and kill my child.
Otherwise, obey the law or go homeschool.

MB

December 17th, 2012
2:30 pm

I’m sorry, but I’m having a difficult time comprehending the logic behind “firearm free zones” when we all know criminals intent on causing murder and mayhem do not give those restrictions a second thought.

Archie

December 17th, 2012
2:33 pm

While I am of the mind that you can’t teach a class with a piece of chalk in one hand and a gun in the other and that many teachers aren’t psychologically fit to handle firearms, anyway. I will go as far as to say that if teachers are going to be permitted to carry guns on the job, that they should be sworn in as county special deputy sheriffs/police and given requesite P.O.S.T. training. They should have full police authority over their duty stations, including the power of arrest.

What's Best for Kids???

December 17th, 2012
2:36 pm

Teachers, yes.
Parents, no.

Latter Day

December 17th, 2012
2:49 pm

Pride and Joy,

I respect that you have strong emotions regarding this issue. I have the honor and the pleasure of working with “your children” every day, and I would not hesitate to put myself between them and a deranged gunman if it became necessary.

However, I believe that more than hope is required and so have set out a recommendation to introduce a small change to existing law based on published facts and supportable observations.

Do you have any basis other than your strong feelings on which to base your opposition to the facts set out in my earlier comment?

Latter Day

December 17th, 2012
2:53 pm

Living in an Outdated Ed System,

Of course we can agree to disagree — that is a fundamental element of civil discourse. I did not (and do not) intend to challenge how you feel, rather, I was asking if you had a factual basis for your disagreement or have facts that dispute those I presented in my argument.

The Deal

December 17th, 2012
3:00 pm

What if a teacher or a parent is morally and ethically opposed to working in or attending a school where guns are allowed? Public schools are not an extension of the NRA or the local shooting range. You don’t combat drug abuse by giving drugs to other people and letting everyone go at each other in a drug-induced rage to even the playing field.

@Latter, extending gun carry laws from the owner’s car into the school building is not a minor change. Just because you say it is doesn’t make it so.

Gun proponents yell and scream all day about their rights. What about the rights of those of us who are opposed to personal firearms of all types?

Gun violence happens everywhere, not just the places where guns are banned.

Have any of your read the statistics on where the United States ranks in terms of guns per person, gun-related deaths and injuries in the world? We are not just at the top, we are many times worse than the next-ranked country, and our numbers alone dwarf the sum of tens of countries beneath us.

Dr. Proud Black Man

December 17th, 2012
3:12 pm

How would ANY armed person, unless they had their firearm drawn and at the ready, stop a homicidal nutcase? Just letting you civilians, I’m a vet, know that having a gun on the premise doesnt guarantee safety. Think people!

MB

December 17th, 2012
3:13 pm

Insuring by code that no law abiding adult will be armed is a recipe for disaster. God forbid the next attack on an elementary school come in the form of widespread, coordinated, terrorists attacks on multiple unarmed soft targets.

Latter Day

December 17th, 2012
3:20 pm

The Deal,

Thank you for your thoughtful response.

16-11-127.1(c)7 is silent with regard to where a firearm can be carried by a parent dropping off or picking up a child. Other sections of 16-11-127 are specific to vehicles, but 16-11-127.1(c)7 has no such provision. As such, I am of the opinion (with which you are entitled to disagree) that the proposed course of action represents only a minor change in the law.

However, the lack of a single identifiable adverse incident regarding a lawful carrier on school property while picking up or dropping off a student is not opinion, it is fact. That mass shootings take place more frequently in locations where firearms are prohibited as a percentage of total such incidents also is fact. That in the last 100 reported mass shooting events the average number of casualties where a licensed, legally-armed adult intervened was approximately two whereas in incidents where the police were the ones to intervene the average was approximately fourteen is fact.

The statistics regarding about the United States’ ranking in gun-related deaths and injuries are absolutely correct. However, the statistics to which you refer fail to point out that, for example, according to the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, the murder rate in the United States is in the bottom third of all nations. As such, I am not certain how the statistics you raised apply to a conversation about school safety rather than a broader one about gun control.

living in an outdated ed system

December 17th, 2012
3:20 pm

Like I said, I do not want to get into a big “to do” about gun control right now. this is not my issue – I will not try and debate anyone with research. As a parent, I simply do not feel comfortable having my children around guns and would not want them in a school where guns were permitted. I realize that certain communities have more violence than others, but @Maureen asked a question and I gave my answer. Y’all can debate this one.

Mike123

December 17th, 2012
3:21 pm

Absolutely, yes. As we’ve seen so many times, Law Enforcement is many minutes away. There is no way they can be there at the very start of an incident.

Parents and teachers are present at the start of violence and have a complete understanding of what is happening. If they can respond in 2 mins, then that is 8 minutes quicker than Law Enforcement. That time savings will translate in less victims.

The second reason why Weapons Licensees should be allowed to carry in school is deterrence. If killers think/suspect that they will not achieve their murderous goals, they will seek other targets. The Sandy Hook killer didn’t pick that school or classes because it was convenient, he picked it because it offered him the best opportunity to achieve his twisted aims

If Georgia follows Texas’ lead, all the Legislature needs to do is allow background checked licensees to carry in schools. Teachers are employed under annual contracts which can say what the specific requirements need to be for them to carry. A state mandated training won’t work as well as each district in conjunction with the responsible LE agency developing their own school specific procedures and training requirements.

The Deal

December 17th, 2012
3:27 pm

Latter, please cite the source for your statistics that more gun-related injuries and deaths occur in places where guns are prohibited.

Latter Day

December 17th, 2012
3:32 pm

The Deal,

The statement I made earlier is that more mass shootings (such as the tragedy that occurred in Newtown, Connecticut) take place in locations where firearms are prohibited, not that more gun violence overall occurs where firearms are prohibited. The former statement is pertinent to a discussion of how to prevent similar tragedies from occurring. The latter would apply more to a broader debate about gun control.

The Deal

December 17th, 2012
3:34 pm

My hope is not to only eliminate these mass shootings but also the onesie, twosie, whoops some idiot left his handgun on the table and his 4-year old shot his 2-year old. I am concerned for the individuals as well as the masses. Therefore, I think it is all tied together.

Latter Day

December 17th, 2012
3:45 pm

I share that same concern, The Deal, and volunteer to teach dozens of parents every year about how to reduce the potential their child will be injured or killed in a firearms-related accident.

However, the question being discussed here pertains to potential changes in the law that would allow licensed parents, teachers, administrators and staff to be armed in schools. I am in favor of it on the basis of a factual argument set out in my initial comment in this discussion. I appreciate how you *feel* and believe firmly that you are entitled to your opinion whether or not I agree with it.

I am delighted to hear opposing viewpoints and open to my own views changing when presented with a compelling factual argument.

FlaTony

December 17th, 2012
3:45 pm

First of all, I can’t even believe that we would ask such a question.

Second, you can’t counter insanity with insanity.

No guns at school. Period.

MB

December 17th, 2012
5:06 pm

OK, “No guns at school, period.” Now, since criminals apparently are not deterred by that proclamation, what actions do you think schools should take to better insure the safety of children, with who’s care they have been entrusted beyond hanging a “No Firearms Allowed” on the door?

John Burns

December 17th, 2012
5:15 pm

Israel teachers are NOT armed. All of you idiots need to get your fact straight.

Maureen Downey

December 17th, 2012
5:20 pm

@John, I was just reading a site that debunks the belief that teachers are armed in Israel:
http://messiahsmandate.org/are-israeli-teachers-armed/
In this essay, the author was responding to a comment that an Israeli teacher in a photo was holding a gun:

The response:

While it appears that the teacher is holding a rifle, I have never seen such a thing in ten years of living here. Rest assured however, they are under armed protection. In most cases it is an armed guard or a soldier that will accompany a class, not the teacher. And my guess is that the woman with the gun is a security guard, not a teacher.

Secondly, they are not armed in the classroom. Is that really the image you want to imprint on the minds of six-year-olds?

On the other hand. I have never seen a school in Israel that was not fenced in. You must go through a locked gate that is guarded by an armed shomer, a security guard. He or she, on the other hand, is not concerned with educating, but protecting. He or she will ask you why you are there? “What is your child’s name?” “Show me your I.D. card.” And he or she would not let you bring a weapon inside.

These types of massacres don’t seem to happen here for other reasons as well. Despite the stereotype of Israel being a violent nation, it is a million times (slight exaggeration) easier to get a weapon in the US than it is in Israel. Gun Control laws are very strict here.

Two types of people have guns in Israel: Soldiers and those with licenses. Mentally unstable people don’t have guns—and thus, don’t shoot people. And it is not as easy to steal a gun as it is in the US. When you are drafted you go through mental tests to see if there are any red flags. If so, you will be discharged or placed in an area where you would never see a rifle.

Only those with the rank of Captain or Lieutenant Colonel for at least two years can qualify to own a gun after the army. And those who do have guns are taught to guard them carefully. For soldiers who take their weapons home, it must be on their persons at all times or under lock and key.

Losing a weapon will get you a jail sentence, as my wife’s childhood friend, Moti, found out two decades ago. He left his gun in his car because he was just running into a minimart. He came back and the gun was gone. He spent six months in jail and God only knows where that gun ended up.

MB

December 17th, 2012
5:40 pm

The US is not Israel, Nor is it Australia or Finland. We have guns. They are not going away. In light of this tragedy I am asking local school boards, state legislators, and educator and staff, “What are you going to do differently to protect our children and grand children while they are in your care?” Tell us your plan. Tell us how it will work.

MB

December 17th, 2012
5:50 pm

Sorry for the typos. Same question to LEO’s, first responders, everyone else. What can we do to protect our children from massacres at school, at the mall, at theaters? Why is allowing legally licensed adults (not slinging a rifle across every teacher’s back whether they want to or not, no one is proposing that) the option to carry for protection a thought worth discussing?

I love teaching. I hate what it is becoming...

December 17th, 2012
5:53 pm

Should teachers be armed? NO!
Should parents be allowed to carry in schools? NO!

Now, if anyone is willing to listen to someone who has actually WORKED in a variety of schools over the past 20 plus year, I will tell you why.

Let’s start with the teachers. The majority of educational staff I have worked with have been wonderful, but over the years, I have met a few teachers and administrators who should never be anywhere NEAR firearms. I had one administrator prone to loosing his cool and throwing things at staff while screaming incoherently. I would hate to see what he might have done with access to a gun! Another teacher openly admitted she hated her students and wished them dead.

Aside from those few bad apples, let’s consider the logistics of carrying to holstered weapon while leaning over to tie shoes, or sit on the floor to read a book to little ones. As an elementary teacher, I have had children unexpectedly throw themselves into my arms for hugs, jump on my back in fun, or knock me over by accident – all could result in a unintentional discharge of a weapon. And those are the well-behaved children. What about the child who intends others or me harm? I have often heard folks claim that “any” adult should be able to handle an angry child without difficulty. However, as an adult, you are handicapped by the desire not to hurt the child, whereas the child throwing a tantrum is trying to do you as much damage as possible. I am a small person. I weight less than 100 pounds. I have been assaulted by students who could easily have taken a weapon from me and used it on themselves, others, or me. And what happens when a child is attacking another child? Do I draw a gun on them? Would the public understand if I were to shoot a child who was trying to stab another child with scissors, or was banging another child’s head against the floor? What if the child is threatening me? Would anyone understand if I were to shoot a seven-year-old coming at me with a pair of scissors? These are not “imagined” scenarios. I have dealt with all these situations.

And if the gun is locked up, where do folks suggest we lock them? Do you not think clever kids could get to the weapons if they wanted to start trouble? I have had students break the lock on my cabinet to get my purse. Would they not do the same to get to a gun?

No to mention, I hate guns and have NO desire to be anywhere near one! I have lost too many friends and acquaintances to gun violence. If you force me to carry to keep my job, I will quit. The idea that folks are even considering such an idea blows my mind. It is against the Constitution to force people to give up their guns, but some people are in favor of forcing teachers to carry? Where is my justice? Where is my right NOT to carry? (And I am aware no one on this forum has gone this far, but it has been suggested in other blogs.)

Now, about the parents. The majority of parents who post on these boards are well intentioned and thoughtful. I would not be overly worried about any of them carrying weapons into my school. However, having seen parents in the front office, having screaming fits and having to be escorted off school property by police… the idea of parents being allowed on a school campus armed is very disturbing. I have had parents threaten to beat me up for giving their child a low grade. I have had them scream at me and curse me out for holding their child accountable for behavior. I have had an overwrought parent suddenly explode during a conference and throw a pencil at me, when I had no idea anything was wrong. I have intervened when a hostile parent came looking for a teacher to “whup her ass” when she called child services with concerns. I have had to block my door and call for assistance when an angry parent came looking for one of my students because the child had “messed” with their child. Do you really want THOSE kinds of parents coming into the schools armed? How will we tell THOSE parents from the other parents until they do something horrible?

Until we get a handle on the violence and disrespect pervading our society, MORE guns will only exacerbate the situation, not improve it.

Bruce

December 17th, 2012
6:01 pm

our write to fix it

December 17th, 2012
6:08 pm

write your local state legislator with your opinion. for myself I believe if a group of teachers recieved peace officer training. they would be volunteers spend one summer going through a “boot camp” then follow up with being an unpaid (they already get their teachers salary) aux. deputy with guidelines of patroling once a month. so we get numerous benefits. more trained peace/police officers at schools and an increase in ppl certified to help patrol. Conceal carry for police only at schools and guess what the teachers ARE police. problem solved. all it will take is a county to step up ask for volunteers and send them through training. I conceal carry and no one ever knows (i do have a permit) thats the point “CONCEAL”

MB

December 17th, 2012
6:19 pm

I haven’t heard anyone suggest we force anyone into carrying.