Ann Coulter vs. the Jesuits at Fordham: A college invite is rescinded

A clear case of censorship; no, not government censorship, self censorship. As such, a good choice, but no doubt Coulter will somehow find a way to victimize herself over it.

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Fr. McShane’s model is quite right. I wish Columbus State University would do the same with regard to the Blanchard Leadership forum. Alas, they allow no room for this here.

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How mature of this organization. Hats off to them.

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I understand not wanting to censor anyone, including Acid Ann Coulter. I wouldn’t censor her.
However, I wouldn’t allow my student fees used to pay her speaker fees. That’s wrong.
If the college Republicans want to invite Acid Ann to speak, they can pay for her out of their own pockets and not use other people’s money to pay for her fees.
On the flip side, I get a big smile out of Ann because she is using her brand of hate to make a profit off of the idiots willing to pay her fees to hear her umm “message.” She is laughing all the way to the bank every day.
Those college “Republicans” are being duped out of their money. Ann doesn’t really believe the nonsense she vomits out of her brain; she is just using some people’s small minds to make herself rich and that makes me laugh at the idiots willing to spend their money on her.

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You’re never completely worthless. You can always serve as a bad example.

Coulter will eventually disappear into a nothingness void like Jesse Helms as she ages.
Hopefully, in her later years… she too, can apologize for her egotistical behaviors and become BORN AGAIN …GOOD…and forgiven before she leaves this earth.

Lucky for her…make-up AND hair color currently covers most of her ugly.
If she continues at the rate she is going…NO PRODUCT on earth will cover that UGLY.
It has almost set in to the bone.

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Ann Coulter
The reincarnation of Jesse Helms

Historical Quotes from the Helms generation …are no more radical than Coulter’s current hate filled quotes.

“They should ask their parents if it would be all right for their son or daughter to marry a Negro.”
– In response to Duke University students holding a vigil after Martin Luther King, Jr. was assassinated, 1968 – Jesse Helms

“No, I do not. And neither do the people in the armed forces. Mr. Clinton better watch out if he comes down here. He’d better have a bodyguard.”
– When asked in 1994 on CNN if he thought President Clinton was “up to the job” of serving as Commander-in-Chief -Jesse Helms

“It’s their deliberate, disgusting, revolting conduct that is responsible for the disease.”
– Justifying his refusal to give financial support to families of AIDS victims. – Jesse Helms

Coulter has become an embarrassment to most civilized people.
Her Jesse Helms approach to shock the world with hate speech has proven to fail.

She too, shall leave her foolish mark of bigotry in the history books of this country. In the meantime, she gets attention and lines her pockets with the hate money that supports her.

“Most” are coming to their senses…they are not buying it anymore.
Applause for the “YOUNG REPUBLICANS”
Conservative does not mean HATE.

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Meanwhile, French relief doctors come to the U. S. to render assistance. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=76a_xfVm-ss

Fine with me if they do not give bandwidth to Coulter. She’d had plenty of it. Times may be changing and the approach of Rove and Coulter may be losing its sparkle.

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I’m a Republican and I’m against censorship. However, every day Ann Coulter does NOT have an audience is a good day for the Republican Party overall.

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It’s so obvious they caved to intolerant pressure and withdrew their invitation. Their letter was so pathetic. Instead of being outraged they are apologetic because their choice of speaker offended others at the school. That’s going to happen everywhere. We don’t prohibit David Duke, Rev Wright or Reuben Navarette from voicing their opinions in America. Protesting is one thing, threats are certainly another. If anything it’s a shame that testing their ideals will not happen because of so many who went against their ideals at a time when our true character is really measured. Just like the religious parents who decide that an abortion is the right move for their pregnant teen after years of decrying it as infanticide. I’m afraid the school failed and failed miserably. Who knew Jesuits were so intolerant? (For the record, I don’t care for Coulter either, but I tolerate her and respect her rights to her opinions. That’s America after all!)
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I’m sorry but Ann Coulter does not respresent the Republican party nor is she the only hateful speech person in America. .If you have forgotten the hate spelled out every day against George W. Bush while he was in office and still goes, I find it hard to see how some people can only see the vitriol done by one..

I don’t care for the style of Ann Coulter. But she is much like many in America. To single her out is hardly the American way of letting people decide for themselves who is right and who is wrong. Free speech may sojmetimes be demoralizing but it still gives the objectionable contrast that we sometimes need to hear. Fordham decided it would make those decision for its (incapable?) students.

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craftee-yankee – 11:09

Religious people, including Jesuits, who believe the revealed and unerring word of God is what’s written in books(Old and New Testament) whose very authorship is unknown are hardly examples of those who “have a long tradition of teaching people to think for themselves”.

What they are is grownups whose mental maturity about religion is at the childish eight year-old level.

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Never a problem to rescind a conservative’s invitation to speak. I’ll bet that an invitation to Michael Moore or other liberal would not be rescinded not matter if there were objections. Typical.

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@ Maureen thanks for sharing the light and the heat

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Robin – 12:20

I’m sure your approval makes us all so happy we could just poop.

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“What they are is grownups whose mental maturity about religion is at the childish eight year-old level.”

I’m pretty sure Georgetown University, a Jesuit school, would disagree with you, troglodyte.

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indigo
November 10th, 2012
12:05 pm

Quite the contrary, the Jesuit sect of Catholisism has generally been at odds with the traditional power structure of the Catholic Church and regularly engages in introspective study.

I heartily agree with your comment concerning the bible, a document created centuries after the facts from remembrances of acolytes, edited by man (do you know how many sources were rejected for inclusion of the Old & New Testaments?), translated by man and interpreted by man. It is not the word of God, rather our assumed best guess. The Jesuits are at the forefront of questioning what is in the Bible.

Be careful about lumping groups together, I could easily lump all Baptists together in a rant but do not, knowing there are wingnuts as well as very learned examples of those with that core belief.

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The Jesuits have become gutless stooges for the left. The Jesuits deny the exclusivity of salvation through Jesus Christ. Fordham is a phony Catholic institution. The Jesuits teach vapid ecumenism. The Jesuits would not have objected to Bill Maher or Chris Matthews or Al Sharpton or Howard Dean or Christopher Hitchens or Sandra Fluke from speaking at a Catholic institution like Fordham. Yet, Ann Coulter, is unacceptable. Why? Because she does not agree with Bayonce or Jay-Z or Morgan Freeman or Stephanie Cutter or Bob Beckel or the community organizer? Ann Colter is more of a Christian than the hyprocrites that teach at Fordham. As for the College Republicans, get a spine, you babies. America is crumbling from lack of morals and principles. Maybe you should name yourselves the Neville Chamberlain club.

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Maureen, I’m really not sure what writing about Ann Coulter has to do with schools in GA. Could you please explain this one to me and others?

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“Is this a school blog or a political blog?”

It’s been more of a political blog for the past week. It’s turing into a smaller version of Bookman’s blog minus the left wing nut jobs who live on welfare and blog all day.

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Opening for Ann Coulter…The KKK…
brought to the school by anonymous donations.

Have it your way…
Eventually, your evil will always be trumped with good.

There are still more good people in this world than bad.

Just stay tuned to FOX news and Donald Trump so you can get your daily fix …eventually there won’t be enough evil to spin and convince the young folks.

These OLD time shock THINKERS continue to use hate and fear to brainwash people in the “SHORT TERM”

Eventually, when exposed to rational thinkers… people come to their senses.

Seldom do you see people go from RATIONAL …LOVING …CARING… to bigoted and hateful.
It is usually the other way around.

Taught to hate…live to hate…and hopefully something intervenes before you die in hate.
Taught in love …live in love…and nothing usually will ever change LOVE.

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If it had been me, I wouldn’t have invited her in the first place but once you extend the invite, you stick with it.

The whole paid speakers at colleges thing, is something that needs to be rethought in my opinion. It’s a racket.

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“There are “wingnuts” in every religion.”

Absolutely!

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I don’t believe in that GAWD.
Thank God.

No need it spending time responding trying to convert me.
Total waste of time … What ever you are worshiping…and whatever has brainwashed you it shows in the hate filled post made on this blog.

Skip…roll eyes to the left…neck roll…and skipping away as fast as I can down the yellow brick road….inside the bubble.

Are you a good witch or a bad witch?

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Yea…those reruns on Fox News and looping that same tragic scene over and over …what a waste of valuable time to fill in between the commercials. We are all guilty of being suckered in by fools.

Put it on YOUTUBE… its there if you want to watch it and stop it.

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To invite someone with hateful, non-helpful views to an event like this is far more hurtful than helpful.

I am applaud the young persons who made the decision to rescind their invitation.

More persons in our society should be just as concerned about such extreme behavior, either from the right or left!

Extreme behavior can and does become cancerous to the soul, not to mention our nation.

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Good gracious- what redeeming thing could that dim witted, hateful woman offer?

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Should reject Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton from speaking for the same reasons. They lie, slander others (if Romney had won, blacks would be slaves again, correct?), extort money, etc.

Role models….ha ha.

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Score 1 for the Jesuits, one and all! As a proud alum of a different Jesuit institution and an (unfortunate) sorority sister of Ms. Coulter, I applaud such a well thought out rebuttal of her views, defense of the freedom of speech, and pulling of the request.

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Somebody may have said this, but here’s my two cents lest you’ve put your life on hold waiting for it:

Taking the invite from Ann Coulter is fine. I rarely think she does anything good for anyone but herself, however, I hope that Fordham will also be rescinding invitations from flame-throwing Democrats, i.e. pretty much anyone who appears on MSNBC.

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I would also say, as someone who is other fa, students who do not want to hear her…..do not go.

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Ok…try again…not her fan

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Ann Coulter is loathsome to the extreme and exists to profit by spewing hatred. She enjoys the same freedom of speech as any other American, but she deserves no audience whatsoever for her sickening brand of “commentary.” Any group that would provide her a platform is contributing willingly to the divisiveness that has harmed our country deeply for the last two decades.

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A notable absence of specifics, of any examples of Ann Coulter’s alleged “hateful” speech. As to provocative, well, this IS a university, isn’t it? Galileo was provocative, George Orwell was provocative, Friedrich von Hayek was provocative. Martin Luther was provocative. Maybe a bad example for a Catholic university, but not an irrelevant one.

About questioning others’ motives…this is virtually the ONLY technique in the liberal/left/Democrat lexicon. What is “war on women,” “throwing granny over the cliff,” “racism,” but questioning the motives of those who disagree with the liberal conventional wisdom? Ann Coulter refuses to be restricted to an approved corner of the public forum. She keeps the freedom of speech open for conservatives. She is one of the most original and conceptual thinkers now writing for the public.

In sum, you have disgraced yourselves, both Fordham writ large and the College Republicans.

There is no more questioning of a public figure’s motives than to characterize their/her thought and speech as “hate.” That is quite simply a ridiculous, really an embarrassing, position to take. It marks Fordham as merely a second rate purveyor of liberal pieties, notwithstanding the ruin those pieties have visited on our society.

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As the relative of a student @ Fordham (one who was in the movement to prevent Coulter from speaking) I think AC should have been allowed to speak @ the school. . My wish that she be allowed to speak is only supassed by my disagreement with what she says.
Since Veterans Day is tomorrow and I am one, let me say this: People died for her right to say hateful, repugnant, reprehensible,, revolting things

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Very interesting read!

Father McShane handled the decision with integrity – putting the university ahead of his personal feelings.

The student group acknowledged having not researched thoroughly prior to making a decision to bring her.

Regardless of feelings about Ann Coulter, both the University and the student group acted very sensibly and thoughtfully about the issue in dispute.

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This fills me with hope that our young people are throwing off the negativity and mean spirit of their elders. Good for them! It fills me with hope.

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Ann Coulter does appeal to our dark nature as McShane states. I’ll take my dark nature anytime against a lily white-natured, opinionated hypocrite of any religion.

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and for the record, I would have never invited her in the first place. there are plenty of others who articulate the republican position better than she does, and in a much more agreeable form.

-Medved
-Inghram
-Malkin
-Walter Williams
-JC Watts

just a few off the top of my head

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Coulter simply profits off of a narrow base of hate-filled, reactionary zombies who buy her books and visit her web site on a daily basis. She is insightful only in the regard that she knows how to fill her bank account by feeding a hateful minority of the public. Coulter probably doesn’t even believe half of the bile she spews in her books and speeches.

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Is anyone surprised by this? Censorship is but the next liberty to fall. Someone doesn’t like this or someone doesn’t like that. What happen to freedom of speech?

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As the father of a Fordham student I would have been appalled if part of her tuition fees were used to pay Coulter’s $10,000 fee, however the Yound Republicans must have received approval from a board at the school to approve of this expenditure, so I think that Fr. McShane is getting some good, free PR for something he, indirectly, approved of.

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Ann Coulter is many things, but “dim witted” is not one. She is an honors graduate of Cornell and Michigan Law, where she was an editor of the highly regarded law review. And, you may disagree with her viewpoints, but she has a string of bestselling, humorous, well written books, covering a range of topics.

It is the zenith of hypocrisy to suggest that Ms. Coulter has a monopoly on what some call “hate speech.” Our dear president, keeping it classy, thinks we should vote to take “revenge” on our adversaries. Fact is, those who use the term “hate speech” routinely use it to stifle speech with which they disagree (or hate), or to suppress facts they believe or fear are true, but are contrary to the way they suppressors wish the facts were. As the saying goes, popular speech doesn’t need to be protected.

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it’s ok to invite dictators from other countries to speak at our institutes of “higher learning?” but then deny free speech to a person from another political party? that doesn’t wash. unless you can publish what led the college republicans to withdraw their invitation then this article shouldn’t have been written. that’s a large problem in our schools and colleges today —the students that don’t agree with faculty on their political stance get punished and/or threatened.

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Dog ‘88 @1:18
Whew! It is clear you are against third trimester abortions. The vehemence of you writing suggests a lot more hate than most. Wonder what logic caused you to comment in an education blog? Seems like you should be on an old soap box on a street corner where people could see who and what you are. I guess Ann Coulter is one of your heroines.

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I am aware of Ann Coulter and the emotional-string-pulling artists previously mentioned. However, the question I asked myself; would I want my son to see and hear them? My answer is yes, but as always with the trepidation a father feels as his children face a new challenge.

I hope when Number-One-Son attends college, those who are supposed to be responsible for administering the institution, have the courage to recognize we do not live in a vacuum, and all voices need to be heard. I will use this as an example of the lack of that courage and responsibility, in a future discussion with my son. He needs to know that others live their lives in fear, and how some lash out in anger, of that fear.

Thanks Maureen for posting this.

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Right on! She is one vile woman. I love a good argument, but she is something else. And no matter what, she’s always doing it to promote her books. She’s an entertainer as far as I’m concerned with some major issues.

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@Robin: @indigo 12:32, That’s great, honey. We’re all glad you’re regular. You win at trolling blog comments; enjoy talking with yourself.

Exactly right, Robin. Indigo chides someone else about “adult maturity,” “mental maturity” and then talks about pooping. Wow, that’s mature. And BTW, Indigo, I’m sure Ann Coulter could run circles around you intellectually.

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I am somewhat surprised they would invite her in the first place. My more conservative friends can’t stand the woman. Like Limbaugh, Beck, Riley,Hannity, etc. she plays her audience more for “shock” than anything else. I am not sure there would be much “educational” in her presentation. Surely there are some figures in the Republican party who would do more than stir up the crowd with vile, over the top, attacks on the “liberals” of the nation – someone who would present an informative, thoughtful talk on the fundamentals of republican thought? Someone who might inspire non-Republicans to attend and listen in hopes of finding some common ground upon which to start building? Like it or not, we are ALL citizens of this nation, and we are going to have to find a way to start working together – or we are ALL going down with the ship!

Or maybe I seek to give the Young Republicans too much credit. Maybe the whole point was to invite someone who would present a vile, over the top, attack on liberals of the nation, so they could cheer and feel superior.

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Robin – 5:42

You’re a legend in your own mind.

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Lines drawn…like with Romney and Obama…you are either “for” or “against”.
No need to debate.
Honestly…I don’t care where she speaks.
She is a WHITE disgrace to my RACE.

I am not listening…and waiting for her mentality to slowly fold in on itself. It has proven to do so through out history. No matter how much money she receives for her evil deeds …she will never be satisfied and POOR.

LESS will follow as the younger minds are exposed to the FACTS.
Those young minds are the current voters that MADE THE DIFFERENCE.
They are researchers …using the technology to check the FACTS and KNOW the difference.

Ann ACID depends on OLD SPEW to keep her in the limelight.
The OLD…ARE getting OLD… FAST. The election proved the NEW …and YOUNG are putting those with this mentality out to pasture.

It’s OLD FEAR BASED POLITICS AND RELIGION…
It is dying out quickly …even as we blog.

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Couldn’t agree more with Dawg88’s comments on the hypocrisy that exists today amongst those claiming to be faithful Catholics. When over half of Catholics polled voted for Obama it speaks to the fact that not only is our nation in peril but also our Church. Absolutely disgusting.

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@Michael Paul Goldenberg – you missed the point entirely.

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@Lexi – Well said.

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Good discussion, generally, and a relevant topic.

Interesting that the Jssuits rejected her, while here in Georgia, she was an invited guest of the so called Christian Coalition.

I wonder which one of those groups more closely reflects the teaching of Jesus Christ, who called us to love our enemies, and speak well of those who speak ill of us.

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Coulter is what David Frum mean when he says “conservative entertainment complex” – her acid tongue adds nothing to the conversation except lies and misdirection while filling her personal coffers.

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If I were forced to guess I’d say Jesus would choose the side who doesn’t make fun of people who cling to their religion and guns…

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The soporific hostess of this blog appears to harbor a vendetta against Ann Coulter.

The justification offered is “because this incident demonstrates a sensible way to handle controversies over college speakers.”

Or it could be that the hostess is a leftist who can’t go head-to-head with Coulter and counter any of her arguments.

I’ll look for your third “rare” anti-Coulter installment next week. Or perhaps not.

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Does putting someone’s comment in “moderation” mean you are censoring comments and just posting those which agree with your liberal viewpoints?

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Let me see if I understand this….if you disagree with what she has to say it’s because she spews hate speech but if she disagrees what you say it’s racist….me thinks we have some very sick puppies out there!

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Look, the Catholic Church is liberal, and its sway over its colleges is crumbling. It lacks a sense of proportion. Boston College students are agitating for birth control and Fordham is worried about a sharp tongued female speaker. And I thought its biggest problem was its location in the Bronx.

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@bootney, there’s a big difference between respecting someone’s opinion that is in opposition to one’s own versus treating hate speech as acceptable. As tempting as it would be to take the opportunity to annihilate such a harridan in a public forum, I would never debate anyone who makes reference to “retards” and “faggots,” as Coulter has done. Engaging them in discourse gives credibility to their hateful characterizations.

The United States Constitution guarantees the Ann Coulters of the world, along with their intellectual brothers the Ku Klux Klan, the right to spew their venom freely. Common decency, however, guarantees that they have a very small audience, if any at all. There’s nothing in the Constitution requiring anyone to listen to their “intellectual ideas.”

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I wonder what they’re teaching at Fordham if a parcel of students there think this is an appropriate speaker for an academic institution. Academic speakers should either have received awards in their field or be on the “cutting edge” (pardon me for the jargon) of doing new things, progressive things, insight and addressing social ills and making solutions. Pop authors for not fit this description, particularly those who exploit controversy. Here is my idea of an appropriate academic speaker: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zb5-l45dbow

Another interesting and provocative academic speaker is Cornel West. I do not agree with everything he says but he is a expressive speaker with an unusually dense use of language and brings dimension to what he says. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1w6w2n9Hks

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Waters trim:
Birth control is probably nine dollars a month across the street.

So quaint for the other side of the aisle to decide who repubs should invite as “appropriate.” Again, popular speech doesn’t need protecting, and, surely college kids don’t need their speakers screened. In their unbounded wisdom, They voted overwhelmingly for our dear leader.

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Lexi, Certainly there is some concept about what is an appropriate speaker for an academic institution. If it is considered to be like hiring a band for a party or a comic for entertainment, maybe the university is drifting in their mission. The best universities instill in their students a sense of personal duty and mission to elevate and improve society. The students are supposed to be the best and the brightest and therefore rightfully have the means to do so.

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Lexi – birth control under insurance cost 30.00 per month for my daughters, if I didn’t have insurance, $115.00 per month. Of course that depends on how much you want to pay for insurance as to how much it costs. As far as Jesuits, my husband was raised in catholic schools, went to a Jesuit college, Canisius, and is disgusted by Ann Coulter and the venom she spews. This isn’t about catholic and Jesuits or religious beliefs, it is about some people having the common decency to stand up to those dividing o country through one liners and snarky sound bites and saying enough is enough. she does NOT represent the values of Catholics, Jesuits, or anybody else. She sells herself to bitter people for money, and they up it hook, line, and sinker. This is a capitalistic society after all. You want to buy her hate, do it. I choose not but I certainly don’t want my daughters college funds going to that crap!

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I know full we’ll that “liberals” want to impose their own ideas of which speakers are “appropriate” on everyone-that’s thought control, pure and simple.
There are numerous leftist a who spew venom, many mentioned in this thread, including Farrakan, and other men of the cloth.

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Monica @ 9:05, while I agree with your views on charter schools. There is no such thing as “hate speech”, it’s a politically correct term to identify language that some find offensive. As I mentioned before, the same goes with “hate crimes”, either it’s against the law or it’s not. Race or ethnicity should have nothing to do with determining if a law has been broken.

Also, while “retard” is now viewed as politically incorrect. 20-30 years ago, it was common to refer to a person with with mental handicaps as “retarded”. It was short for mentally retarded cognitive development. The progressive movement has seen fit to castrate any person or entity via the media that says something offensive.

While I don’t particularly like the delivery of Ann Coulter, it’s simply free speech, which is guaranteed by the constitution. Those who disagree with the message can turn off the TV, radio or choose to skip the newspaper article.

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Tastefully and elegantly handled by all, with much more grace than Ms. Coulter. Amen and amen!

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Ann Coulter has a worldview that offends some sensibilities and she has an acerbic manner in expressing them. Wonder how many Liberal speakers with Miss Coulter’s credentials are allowed to spew their hate on Fordham’s campus? Just sayin…

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I am intuiting from the president’s letter than student affairs money would be spent. As such, it was appropriate to disinvite a provider of hateful rhetoric. Glad the students decided this. Would be fine if any outside group, using its own money, decides to showcase her off-campus.

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Cracks me up…who are any of you to define hateful rhetoric? If the students wanted to hear her, what in the name of the First Amendment should keep them from it? Nobody had to go. And I will bet if you dig deep enough you will find plenty of speakers in the past at Fordham who have been PERCEIVED negatively by someone on campus. Still waiting on someone to tell me why there is no TOLERANCE for Ms. Coulter when that seems one of the cornerstones of the Liberal worldview.

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Liberal pariah – it isn’t ALL the students that want to hear coulter, it is the college republicans, and what percentage of the population of Fordham are they? If the students want to hear her, let them pay their own money, but don’t take those fees out of the student fees paid by ALL students, even the ones who dont agree with her particular brand of entertainment. You are aware she is entertainment and not education aren’t you?

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I have never considered other peoples feelings important and I am never going to start doing something that stupid, either. This culture obsession with compassion and empathy sickens me. I happen to believe had the college democrats invited a race pimp such as cornell west, this blog entry would never have materialized from it..

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The Fordham President (was his name Marc Anthony?) was masterful in the handling of this situation. And the students responded well.

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First Amendment of the US Constitution…”Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

Fine, Ann Coulter sucks…however, without a 100% free avenue for discourse, it is impossible to expect an honest debate about any meaningful topic…TLDR…liberty or not, choice is yours…

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@ Dr. Monica

its easy to say “its temping” when you advocate freezing out the opportunity. frankly this is a cowardly position since you know you’ll never be forced to follow through.

I cringe when people use the useless term “hate speech”. its means nothing and yet provides a faux moral high ground for character attacks and the very censorship you claim to deplore. what is “hate” to you may well be common sense to everyone else, since “hate speech” is like porn. by God, YOU’LL know it when you find it.

have the stones, the integrity, and the courage to air it out and let the people decide.

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Lexi @ 9:59
“I know full we’ll (sic) that “liberals” want to impose their own ideas of which speakers are “appropriate” on everyone-that’s thought control, pure and simpler.
The only way you can “know” this if you are a “liberal.”. Otherwise, you don’t “know” this, It is your opinion. Be clear and straight, you will be listened to more astutely
Taking another tack from the case cited by Maureen. You have generalized a premise and disproved your point: this was one academic leader expressing an opinion to influence one club on one campus about one event that had a limited and proscribed potential audience. Your leap to “. .. on everyone . . .” shows significant evidence of poorly developed critical thinking skills.
Ann Coulter was not censored or in any way had her right to free speech denied. She had an invitation rescinded and thus didn’t get paid ( if she is as smart as people say, she probably had a clause in her contract specifying paymant anyway in this case). Those who defend her on those grounds cast her, and themselves, as victims and fearful. Being an angry verbal bully, reveals the fear and perpetuates the victim hood.

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http://www.fordham.edu/academics/programs_at_fordham_/american_studies/news__events/past_events/guest_speakers_34229.asp

three nicely left of center speakers. while I wasn’t there, my guess is Alyshia Gálvez was not all sweetness and light when speaking of opponents of illegal immigration

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here’s another

Harold Hongju Koh
http://www.ilsa.org/conference/ILW/2011ILWSchedule.pdf

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Thank you, Maureen, for this blog post. It restores some of my faith in humanity that hatred – in any form – cannot stand and will not be tolerated.

I am bewildered by some people’s reactions, that they are ‘intolerant of others intolerance of hatred’.

Doublegoodspeech at its best.

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Bill Mackinnon

November 11th, 2012
12:23 am

So, if I understand you correctly, I can’t know anything about a state of affairs, what liberals think or want, unless I am a “liberal,” correct? How do you know then that I lack critical thinking skills?

There is not enough time remaining to list all of the examples of liberals seeking to control thought and speech. But since you asked, you might see: “Free Speech on Fire”-before you jump to the wrong conclusion (as unlikely as that would ever be), the author of the book being reviewed is a leftist.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/333029/free-speech-fire-robert-verbruggen

“Unlearning Liberty is not a long book, but it is a truly staggering catalogue of stories from the nation’s universities — the plural of “anecdote” might not be “data,” but certainly there’s a point at which anecdotes establish some sort of trend. In his decade at FIRE, Lukianoff has seen it all: A Brandeis University professor was forced to attend sensitivity training for discussing the word “wetback” in a Latin American–politics class. The University of Delaware’s Residence Life department for years ran a now-notorious mandatory indoctrination program; one male RA filed a report against a female student when she refused to answer the question “When did you discover your sexual identity?” Numerous schools restrict political activity to tiny “free-speech zones” and require students sign up to use those zones well in advance.

And once universities get into the habit of policing and even mandating speech, they don’t stop with conservatives — often, students are targeted merely for criticizing their university. FIRE took up the case of an environmentalist who was declared a “clear and present danger” and kicked out of school for his crime of protesting, on Facebook, Valdosta State University’s plan to build new parking garages. At another school, a student was told he couldn’t attend his graduation ceremony because of his “negative social-media exchange during the institution’s recovery” from a tornado — he had criticized, also on Facebook, the college’s decision to reopen while some students still didn’t have power.

Universities have also taken up the cause of policing inappropriate speech, from swear words to sexual innuendos. Harvard University revoked approval for a dance party when the student groups hosting it used the term “barely legal” in their advertising. A student at Washington State University directed a play in which he, South Park–style, tried to offend as many groups as possible — and university officials trained a mob of students to disrupt the production.

These incidents typically happen thanks to some truly awful — and often unconstitutional — university policies. Overbroad “speech codes” are so common that FIRE has a Speech Code of the Month Award. Lukianoff provides a handy chart explaining each award since October of 2005, featuring official prohibitions on “negative comments or jokes,” “emotional harm to others,” “inappropriately directed laughter,” and anything that would “diminish [another’s] self-esteem.”

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Reading their website what I am seeing is Institutionalized bigotry and lack of purpose.

The bigot is invariably intellectually lazy. Nothing new at US business and marketing schools. This bunch seems to want to get their MBA and Law degree (the magic combination) and go rule people in the “representative democracy” when all the Congress members are millionaires and the general public has no traction whatsoever and it is documented that in the USA 2012, getting educated does mean getting ahead. This is not an opinion. This is from economists. Whoop! and Emory just cancelled their econ department – well, imagine that. Maybe the Emory Republicans and Fordham Republicans ought to get together and plot and plan how they can both be millionaires and rule over the populace. Let’s destroy the humanites programs. Think how much money we will save! And we won’t have to feel threatened any longer about being well-read. Who cares about that stuff anyway!?

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Why is Coulter so skinny? She needs to eat more pork rinds and supersized drinks. A few sweet pies would help too maybe.

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I have read the letters and comments in vain searching for one quote from Ann Coulter that would disqualify her from being allowed to speak. This is the new tactic of the radical left – to simply dismiss people they disagree with and censor their speech. If her ideas are so hateful, why not expose that by debating her and showing how wrong she is. The problem is that she is a very smart and effective polemicist that would tear any liberal apart in debate.

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something else which reeks about this act of intellectual cowardice….

at GPC all our clubs had sponsors whose role was to keep the kids operating within the schools guidelines. hard to believe little GPC had this and Fordham didn’t.

where was the sponsor in all this crap? even if I bought for a moment the school republicans didn’t know who they were inviting, its the job of the sponsor to know.

Fordham is playing very fast and loose with the truth here. as Father MsShane ought to know, lying is a sin. so is scapegoating

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what’s sadly funny here is the holier than thou stand of the posters who would refuse Coulter the opportunity to speak. most have resorted – easily- to personal attacks on Coulter and the kids who invited her.

what so many here are saying basically is: only we can be snarky and rude. the republicans have to take it.

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1. Ann coulter still has free speech. She just won’t get paid to go to Fordham to make her speech, so there is no liberal agenda to limit free speech.
2. The president had every right to assert his opinion and hope the college republicans listened to why he did not like the idea of Ann coulter speaking at Fordham. Wisely, they listened but had already made up their minds it was not a good idea to have her before they received his letter. Smart move on the college republicans side.
3. This is another good example of how some people on the right take an incident, try to put fear in people’s hearts and minds by injecting things that are not true. This has been done for so long by talk radio and certain news shows.
Get out of your bubble and think for yourself. Stop injecting things into a situation that just are not true. If you cannot see there is nothing here but the college republicans thinking they made a mistake by inviting Ann coulter and thereby rescinding in her invitation, the you aren’t thinking for yourself. Which makes you part of the problem today, not part of the solution.

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Liberal Pariah: We the people have rejected your talk radio/FOX news lies. They have been proven false. Time for you to get new lies and quit repeating the old ones.

Now you call the Young Republicans at Fordham liars because they don’t fit into your preprogrammed rant of lies? How sad and pathetic you angry far right wing nutcases have become. How irrelevant you have been proven to be. We are tired of your hate, your hate for other people, your hate for our Country. Your message of hate has been unmasked. Please quit spewing it. There is a REASON we reject you, it’s not a “vast left wing media conspiracy,” it’s because your message of hate is flawed.

I think you could learn from these youngsters. When faced with opposition, they re-evaluated their choice to see if it was a correct choice or a flawed one. They weren’t afraid to learn, to admit a mistake and so they did. Good for them. I’m saddened by all the people on this blog who have called these youngsters liars. Shame on you.

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iPad typing….but that by no means should read but that does not mean…

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LP – I don’t listen to Chris Matthews or Ann Coulter. I get my comic relief from different sources and get my news from doing research, on my own. I don’t live in a bubble and I listen to the “other side” as long as it is academic, not repulsive, incendiary, venomous, or hateful. I want to know what other people feel about an issue so I can objectively make up my mind about how I should vote on the issue. If I only listened to people who believe like me, it would not be an intellectual decision, and I despise those type of decisions. Again, get out of your bubble, quit listening to people who only believe like you and open your mind, see why the other side believes like they do. We can all come to the middle and get something done. That’s what it will take to move us forward.
And where in the world did you get Obama lied about something in regard to class warfare? Is that not a right talk show talking point, because it sounds like one.

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Can you name one radical leftist — whether a verbal bomb-thrower or literal bomb-thrower — who would be treated his way?

Genn, You might want to read up on Ezra Pound. He got the original Guantanamo treatment, the outdoor cage – for what he said. They wanted to kill him but instead settled for 12 years in a prison. And this is from the “USA.” If you teach this in a US university, you won’t be teaching for long. Same thing with Bobby Fischer who went to play his anniversary chess match and collect his prize money. Bush Sr. and Henry Kissinger told him not to do it and then they destroyed his life when he did. Today, these Pound and Fischer are often ridiculed – fits well with “the script.”

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Pound – as if anyone in Italy could even understand what he was saying in English in his gurgling brogue on his 5 watt radio transmitter.

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Liberal Pariah: In your hate filled world EVERYONE who isn’t a far right wing fanatical nutcase is a “librul” or a “dimocrat.” You are so blinded by your hate that anyone not walking lock step with your particular brand of lunacy is evil.

i’m something you can’t fathom. I’m an independent. I don’t need Fox News and talk radio to do my thinking for me. I do it for myself. As such I can debate issues based upon their merits not on some weirded out view as to what is “librul.”

The students that invited Ann Coulter were the ones who recinded the invite, not the school. They clearly stated taht. Yet YOU with your hate call them liars. YOU can’t imagine a world where someone could re-evaluate a decision and decide it was the wrong one. You would rather die than admit a mistake. You are probably a Southern Baptist as well lol.

You will note, if you pull your head out of your rear end long enough, that I have NOT offered an opinion on Ann Coulter, her politics, nor her message. YOU have inferred all of that because it fits your hate and lies. Truth is your enemy, I know. Hate clouds your thinking. I know that. Expecting rational words and behavior from you is a hopeless quest. Aren’t you late for Sunday School?

Although looking at the picture, Ann Coulter is pretty hot. Especially for a 50 year old lady. There, I just offered an observation on her. A positive one at that……..

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A brilliant poet and phrase-turner, Pound lived in Italy in from the 20’s until his arrest by the U.S. military in 1945 for treason. The Italian government paid him DURING the Second World War to make hundreds of radio broadcasts criticizing the United States and supporting Mussolini’s fascism while expressing support for Adolf Hitler in these broadcasts.

Isn’t that the very definition of treason?

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“Hot women” are used to bring down the best men. That’s how they got the Israeli citizens who illegally took photos of their nuclear bomb making facilities and “told the world” that they had nuclear weapons. A “hot woman” befriended him and they went on a vacation. He was then drugged, kidnapped and put in jail for a long time. Wonder if he is still there? Lured to Italy for a vacation. 18 years in prison including 11 in solitary confinement. Somebody was not too happy with this man. Hero or treason? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mordechai_Vanunu

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Bravo!

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Pound was a narcissist of the highest order, ever compounded by his brilliance. Even he realized this in his old age, admitting as much to Allen Ginsburg:

“My own work does not make sense. A mess … my writing, stupidity and ignorance all the way through … the intention was bad, anything I’ve done has been an accident, in spite of my spoiled intentions the preoccupation with stupid and irrelevant matters … but my worst mistake was the stupid, suburban, anti-Semitic prejudice, all along that spoiled everything. … I found after 70 years that I was not a lunatic but a moron. I should have been able to do better. … It’s all doubletalk … it’s all tags and patches … a mess.”

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In the EARLY 70’s both Lester Maddox and Andrew Young spoke at “my” Georgia State University and neither was prohibited from stating their own brand of political opinion. Time decided the relevance of both men and the same will be said of Ann Coulter in the not-too-distant future. The Jesuit Order will endure long after the memory of “Acid Ann” fades into dust.

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Pound terminated himself as a relevant intellectual. The Cantos – for all its beauty is a paean to anti-semitism. He was a miscreant of the highest order. WIth great intelligence comes great responsibility.

You’re so wrong. I was taught about Ezra Pound in Georgia public schools,colleges and universities. When you paint with such broad strokes you you barely cover the dirt.

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@ private

who the hell are you to determine who, if anyone, belongs at a university setting?
seems to your your vulgarity is EXACTLY your point.

not just stifle anyone who you disagree with who is effective, but demonize them as well

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a man with nazi sympathies is an intellectual titian and should be taught at university, but Ann Coulter is satan incarnate and must not be allowed to speak at one

a nicely articulated position of modern liberalism if I’ve ever seen one

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http://townhall.com/columnists/mikeadams/2012/10/31/the_ofa_exception_to_political_speech

odd how these things happen in college.
seems not all people are created equal after all.

especially if not liberal

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I’m guessing Tom Miller is right. Very few of these posting or those at Fordham protesting have heard her speak or could give any examples other than the recent “retard” comment.

Political correctness is the anti-thesis of higher education. Education is about hearing different points of view, thinking about them and developing your own beliefs, not parroting the standard line.

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I’ve spoken at Fordham…just last summer.

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part of the irony of this is all it does is give Coulter a bully pulpit for her to play the victim.

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Whatever, dude. I will go back to my original statement. As a rule of law (regardless of his intelligence, talent, arrogance, narcissism anti-semitic beliefs, shortcomings as a human et.al.) Ezra Pound was guilty of treason as it is defined. His imprisonment was warranted. He was damn lucky he wasn’t shot or hanged

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@ real

you gotta put this into prospective:

the psychotic left loves depots, especially the ones who kill off the opposition.
Coulter? if she were a democrat/progressive/socialist, they’d install her as dictator for life.

this has nothing at all to do with Coulter’s abrasiveness and everything with silencing a articulate
and effective opponent.

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Ann Coulter? Abrasive? Check. Articulate? Perhaps. Intellectual? Not so much.

Speaking of intellect, it’s “perspective”.

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@ real

would be interesting to see how well you’d hold your own against her..
based on your need to point out spelling errors to make a point, I’d guess not well at all.

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RA, intellectuals tend to transcend the law, especially political law. You may with to consider that the price of your position may include banning of works, etc.

I think the main thing about Ms. Coulter is that she may have gone out of style. She has had her time and plenty of bandwidth and tv time to huff and puff and do her thing. If she was a pop music band, she would have had a very long career. If she is an intellectual, she has to evolve and do new work. Let’s have a look at her book titles. http://www.ranker.com/list/ann-coulter-books-and-stories-and-written-works/reference

Her work appears pretty one dimensional, applying a formula of sorts. If anyone needs a reminder of why this author might not be right for university, have a look at the book list. you couldn’t pay me 10k to cross the street and attend She’s made some nice hearty “bank” as a sideshow to the BushCo era, repeatedly treating people are the “other.” It’s aggressive and low stuff. Those who zing about “free speech” are maybe not seeing something. I can see the point of bootney etc. and I read the link about campus posters and censorship, but I think the Coulter person, again, is not the remedy to this issue. For one thing, as a speaker / author nothing controversial is occurring because in effect, pretty close to nothing substantive is being said. Like I said, get Cornel West. He has something to say and it even makes sense. He’ll scare the feathers off many a censor.

Re-reading her book title list, it is pretty obvious Coulter has served to make a lot of noise and keep the public away from examining the real levers of power. While she makes a point here and there, in the main it is craftily made and supported errata while real things are happening that she does not address. There are perhaps five media figures associated with the BushCo era who blanketed the land with bullying and noise while real events were occuring, events that in effect, they were being paid to provide cover for. It is important to see this created mechanism of these pushy “public intellectuals” who never, ever, take a risk outside of their message or do any scholarship on anyone else. “You shall know them by their works.” Learn to recognize propaganda when you see it, and Ms. Coulter has never missed a meal. Of that you can be assured. PS While Ms. Coulter was scapegoating and blaming, meanwhile the stock market lost half it’s value but you wouldn’t know it reading about her “Demons.” It’s like someone needs to make a chart, “What Really Happened” and “What Ms. Coulter is Talking About.” The two probably will not line up very well.

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RA, I am not convinced of your forthrightness or honesty. An adult does not get oral herpes from a water fountain. It’s an STD. Seems to be the way of the judgemental, to spray it around then play dumb when called out. Same type folk make a bid to do work and then change it up mid-job. It’s practically an industry in rural Georgia. The term “bait and switch” is from here. Personally, I’ve seen enough of it and am done playing along.

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Surprise, Surprise… another left leaning “dictator” that doesn’t tolerate both sides… This school and their leader is a JOKE.

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@Real Athens…

She is more of an intellect than you will ever dream….

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Please. Don’t resort to the straw man fallacy in your passionate plea for Pound.

“intellectuals tend to transcend the law, especially political law. You may with to consider that the price of your position may include banning of works, etc.”

He was an American citizen, aiding and abetting the enemy (and getting paid for it) while American servicemen were fighting what was arguably one of the most calculated, evil dictatorships in the history of mankind — one that rose to power by publicly burning books.

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Hmmmm, Demonology …. When did a differing opinion become something to fear… Good Grief. Get a Grip, or just get some help.

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Surprised no one has pointed this out. Anne Coulter – net worth $8.5 Million.

The campus republicans want her to speak because to them she is an icon of personal wealth in dollars. She’s figured it out. How many real universities types want to listen to this stuff? Adjunct professors don’t even have health insurance and receive moderate survival-level pay, barely enough to scrape along.

It is incredible in the U. S. that so many of the public follow and trumpet these “folksy” media types who are paid in the hundreds of millions of dollars while the acolyte is doing well to pay their own car insurance. If you mention this to a “follower” they just don’t get it, that they are being played.

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@ Private Citizen

The truth finally comes forth…. It’s a money thing with you… Pathetic …. She is a strong willed and intelligent woman, who has become very successful. Too bad you are to pathetically insecure to grant her the appropriated dignity she deserves… It’s crap thinking like yours that put a total idiot in office for another 4 years.

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RA, Get real. I just got auto-censored. I’ll provide you the url. Not for everyone. There is a point in it, it’s call abuse. You might want to get a tune up from this B-movie as to what is is. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shkL6hriOsc

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Hmm. You should give me some credit. I voted for Gary Johnson. If you can not see the mono-dimensional angle Ms. Coulter is working, so be it. It’s kind of like serial romance novels. Same story, different title, over and over. I think the cowboy author did the same thing, Louie L’Amour? Maybe Anne Coulter has something in common with Ian Fleming. if you watch all of the James Bond movies in succession they all start turning into one another in a big blur.

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RA, I am not Real interested in your trip, but I think it is appropriate to caution you to re-think sexist comments as something fun or recreational. It’s not. I’m sure you’ll do better in the future. Please accept my counsel with good intention. And enjoy the movie. Someone put a lot of work into and it’s unique, thereby qualifying as “art.” This is a French restaurant? How come there’s no French fries on the menu?

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I Love teaching…. Thanks for your version of the quotes that you think should disqualify Coutler from speaking. I would have been more interested in what Fr. McShane had in mind. No doubt Ms. Coulter engages in hyperbole and likes to tweak liberals, but nothing you quote her as saying is beyond the pale. I am particularly interested that you use the following quote:
“ There is no serious dialogue or engagement of ideas between the left and the right in this country.”
as an example of hate speech or nonsense. Barring her from speaking proves her point.

. I think your true views

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It is really surprising at how many people there is that cannot handle the truth,all they have to do is take off those muleblinders an look around an they will see what is wroung with this country,an when someone like Ann Coulter comes along an tells them the truth they cannot handle it.

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Hey Lee, this has nothing to do with her views. Bill Kristol or Jim Baker would be most welcome at Fordham. But this point is wasted on the likes of you, who haven’t the intellect to distinguish between thoughtful discourse and mindless, spiteful name-calling.

If you are a college graduate, your money was wasted. If you aren’t, it shows.

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@bootney, it’s easy to call me “cowardly” when you’ve never engaged in a public debate with me using your real identity, on a stage, when there’s not time to think over and thoughtfully craft responses. I’ve done public debates numerous times on a variety of topics.

I’m no advocated of censorship. I don’t advocate banning Coulter’s books. If Fox “News” and other outlets want to air her rants, I’m free to change the channel and my tax dollars don’t pay for her airtime. I do judge Fox negatively by the fact that they give her a platform and many of their on-air personalities openly agree with her, so I don’t watch when she’s on. (I actually only watch it from time to time to see what all the right-wing screeching and howling is about, and it always confirms my suspicions that it’s a right-wing propaganda machine masquerading as a news channel, just as MSNBC is a left-wing version of the same.)

My tax dollars DO help support Fordham University. If Fordham were to choose to provide a platform for hate speech, and the way Coulter uses terms like “retard” and “faggot” IS such, then I do not support that. Let her find privately-funded venues, get book contracts from publishers that are private corporations, etc., if she wants an audience. I would never advocate banning her books or picketing her, etc., in a privately supported arena. I can demonstrate with my pocketbook my opinion of her and those who give her a platform.

I rarely have ever had people challenge my “stones…integrity, and the courage to air it out and let the people decide.” I was a trained journalist before I became an educator. I’m no promoter of censorship. I am, however, an advocate of common decency, and I’m pretty sure there are very few people in the United States who believe that terms like “retard” and “faggot” are decent and fit to be used in any venue.

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bootney posted, “more than that, as long as someone is not doing an Al Sharpton and inciting violence (resulting in death) I would never not allow someone the chance to voice their opinion.”

Ann Coulter has, in her column and on television, stated that all terrorists are Muslims and publicly advocated killing any Middle Eastern Muslims who would not convert to Christianity: “We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity” (2001); “Not all Muslims may be terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims—at least all terrorists capable of assembling a murderous plot against America that leaves 7,000 people dead in under two hours” (2001); ” “The fact of Islamo-Fascism is indisputable. I find it tedious to detail the savagery of the enemy … I want to kill them” (2007).

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Not defending Fordham, but it is a private university. Doubtful anyone’s tax dollars provide it substantial support- certainly less so than public television receives.

Academia employs the likes of Bill Ayers, his Frau and Angela Davis, and we are to believe that liberals want civil discourse, right?

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Yes, Fordham is a private university, but it has an extensive athletics program, a public radio station on its campus, and a school of education (including a graduate school, among other programs supported in large part by federal funds. Most private universities, even sectarian schools, receive substantial public funding to go with their private endowments and high tuition charges.

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@emoody “when someone like Ann Coulter comes along an tells them the truth they cannot handle it.”

What kind of truth would that be?

Truth like, “I think [women] should be armed but should not vote … women have no capacity to understand how money is earned. They have a lot of ideas on how to spend it … it’s always more money on education, more money on child care, more money on day care. ”

Or, “When contemplating college liberals, you really regret once again that John Walker is not getting the death penalty. We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed, too. Otherwise, they will turn out to be outright traitors. ”

Or, “Liberals hate America, they hate flag-wavers, they hate abortion opponents, they hate all religions except Islam, post 9/11.”

Or, “Liberals don’t read books – they don’t read anything … That’s why they’re liberals. They watch TV, absorb the propaganda, and vote on the basis of urges.

Or, “We need somebody to put rat poisoning in Justice Stevens’s creme brulee.”

Vester: You say you’d rather not talk to liberals at all?
Coulter: I think a baseball bat is the most effective way these days.

Is that the kind of truth and “dialogue” you folks are advocating? If so, this country is truly doomed.

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“I know Jesus Christ died for my sins, and that’s all I really need to know.” by Ann Coulter

And with the number of vomited responses ( over 200 ) on this blog…she’s being PAID for her sins. The folks commenting here ain’t makin a dime.

She is laughing and coming up with the next vile comment while she skips her way to the bank making another deposit.

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Wow. 260+ comments! And most of them stoop to the same level as Coulter. Acidic. Egocentric. Holier than Thou. Haughty. Looks to me like the critique of Coulter is the same thing as Coulter, but from an anti-Coulter perspective. At least this post boosted readership for the struggling AJC – and will provide good stats with which to boost advertising dollars. But reading it made me ill. I would have hoped that you all could rise above the fray and ignore the invitation to incite more hatred. Talking bad about someone who talks bad is still bad.

And to think that this forum has the power to change the direction of education in Georgia. I would have expected better leadership from the AJC. I’m sad that I read any of this post at all.

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Ann uses “hate speech”? I wonder if Fordham College used one of the more common national Biology Textbooks in the 1970’s like
Biology 1972 Villee, Claude A. (M) Bio W. B. Saunders, Philadelphia

3 Villee finally(!) cleanses his text of any explicit reference to eugenics. However, in its place, and to close the chapter titled “Inheritance in Man: Population Genetics,” the author substitutes two sub-sections – “Factors Changing Gene Frequencies: Differential Reproduction” and “Evolution: The Failure to Maintain Genetic Equilibrium” (718). Villee’s citing of E. A. Hooton, C. S. Coon (786) and Franz Weidenreich (789) betray continued adherence to concepts of “racial development.” Text could easily be classed as a “4,” if one is willing to read, and not even too carefully, between the lines.
http://www.textbookhistory.com/?p=2077
The truth is that liberal “humanist” scientists taught eugenics racism throughout most of the 20th century in both High Schools but especially college. And this seeped into the further public psyche through movies like the very popular Johnny Weismuller “Tarzan” movies. I dare anyone to laugh at the hilarity of Cheetah (the Chimpanzee) vs. the Black servant/porter in New York City in 1942’s “Tarzan’s New York Adventure.” All the great liberal icons of pre WWII America were these “normal” racists – including Woodrow Wilson and FDR.

And liberalism continues this eugenics racism in so many ways – including now INSISTING that Black Americans STILL need “special help” and special laws – help and laws to be provided by the new kinder gentler racists, liberals still – liberal “Christians”, liberal “intellectuals”, and especially liberal Politicians. Moderation in the face of evil, restraint in the face of lies and untruths, is no virtue at all, unfortunately.

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The utter hate and vitriol from the left is frightening. Emboldened by the re-election of their Dear Leader, it is not difficult to see how countries turn to communism and all dissent is snuffed out. Simply call it “hate speech,” “lies,” “uncivil,” etc. and get enough zombies to go along and, voila, speech can be censored.

The far left in this country – represented quite well in this long discussion – is not interested in a debate of ideas. It merely has declared itself to be correct (see Fred and others) and therefore there is no need to allow dissenting opinion. Or at least dissenting opinion that carries a tone of which they do not approve.

Funny, this sounds much like North Korea, Cuba, China, the old Soviet Union and all other communist totalitarian monstrosities. Of course, this model is responsible for untold millions of deaths of its own people when those people were no longer “useful” to the cause. Amazingly, this is the road down which some of the people on this thread want to travel. How in the world do people get to be so hate-filled and gullible?

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Maureen, Let’s get back on track.

A quote from today’s article about Charter Schools!

“A lot of folks think they can teach, and they can’t,” said Verdalia Turner, president of the Georgia Federation of Teachers.

I agree and never truer words have ever been spoken Verna. So exactly what do you plan to do with the Public School Teachers who so obviously cannot even teach their dog to sit? Continue to employ them as you have in the past and subject our children to failure at their incompetent hands????

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“To I love teaching but hate what I teach”,Can you teach or do you train,an as far as the country being doomed it is well on it,s way ,this country is going to turn into a third world countrry sooner than you think,” if you were a real teacher you would see that ,teachers cannot teach anymore all they can do is train.

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Congratulations to both Joseph M. McShane and Fordham College Republicans!

Does Ms. Coulter drive constructive, responsible dialogue forward or backwards?

Given her own documented and loathsome words over a LONG period of time, it appears that the answer to these folks was obvious…

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@Lexi “Here’s an idea: those folks who believe Ann Coulter has nothing worth hearing or reading could, oh I don’t know, refrain from buying her books or attending her lectures instead of denying the misguided the pleasure of reading and hearing Ann.”

I think you missed the point that student fees were going to be used to pay Ms. Coulter, including fees paid by students that she would classify as idiots, traitors and retards, suggesting they need to be hit upside the head with a baseball bat. If the “misguided” wanted to pay her from their own pockets, I am sure that would have been fine with everyone involved.

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@Lexi, asks: “Is Ann more polemical than the Rev. Jeremiah Wright? Al Sharpton? Jessie Jackson? Bill Ayers? Angela Davis? Maureen?”

Well, speaking of Bill Ayers, here’s his open letter to President Obama that’s spot-on…

http://www.good.is/posts/an-open-letter-to-president-obama-from-bill-ayers

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I am curious of all the hateful coments about Ann Coulter. I have read all of her books and her columns are excellent. Many people have mentioned her hate, of course without giving any examples. Let me suggest you read some of her books or at least give some support for your negative comments.

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@Don, re: “Hey Lee, this has nothing to do with her views. Bill Kristol or Jim Baker would be most welcome at Fordham. But this point is wasted on the likes of you, who haven’t the intellect to distinguish between thoughtful discourse and mindless, spiteful name-calling. If you are a college graduate, your money was wasted. If you aren’t, it shows.”

Okay Don, I’ll take a stab at it. What you posted was not thoughtful discourse.

I like this game. Do another one…

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America doesn’t need fake conservatives and fake Christians. Any hateful bigot can claim to be Republican and get away with it…..well….COULD get away with it. But this election is changing the course of Republican culture. Looks like the right wing will be forced to actually behave themselves as the Christians they claim to be.

Or am I too hopeful?

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George Steel

November 11th, 2012
7:53 pm

I am curious of all the hateful coments about Ann Coulter. I have read all of her books and her columns are excellent. Many people have mentioned her hate, of course without giving any examples. Let me suggest you read some of her books or at least give some support for your negative comments.
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Calling the President a retard is LOVE speech? Really? Are you the deluded?

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Censorship always comes from the left because they cannot bear the truth and they are bereft of ideas. They are incapable of arguing successfully so they bully and censor people like Anne Coulter.

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James 5:12

“But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.”

Do Jesuits swear an oath?
http://vaticannewworldorder.blogspot.com/2012/06/jesuit-oath-of-induction-is-also.html

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Not surprised a conservative speaker would be banned by liberals. It happens alot, Years ago Jonah Goldberg had a book called Liberal Fascism so these things are fairly common on college campus nowadays.

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“However, the rationale behind the vast majority of voluntary terminations have nothing to do with adverse prenatal test results.”
Do you have statistics on that?

“Vile vitriol” from Ann Coulter…..

I would liken Ann’s style to “shock therapy”. Sometimes our thought processes are stuck in an introverted loop, which we can’t escape, except with a sudden shock. I remember one parenting expert giving advice on how to deal with a child throwing a rolling-on-the-floor tantrum- throw a cup of cold water on their face! It works because the shock of the unexpected water forces their brain to escape the tantrum loop and deal with the sudden change of temperature. In the same way, Jesus confronted sin in the proud Pharisees and Sadducees, the religiously “upright” of his day. Of course, to them, His words were “vile vitriol” because they were forced to see themselves as they actually were. Ann is no saint. I don’t agree with everything she says, but, her style has precedence, and unfortunately is needed in this self-deluded world.

It seems Ann got her say, regardless of Jesuit judgement…..SIX PAGES OF COMMENTS AND COUNTING!

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“If a prostitute keeps on prostituting and denies Christ, is she saved?
If a woman keeps on “voluntarily terminating” her babies and denies Christ, is she saved?
If a woman continues to fornicate, and denies Christ, is she saved?”

Think I’d leave judgement in the more capable hands. Who are you? The Decider?

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So, Fordham is not “private” because it avails itself of tax breaks, accepts low income students who have their education subsidized by Pell grants and the like, and sells its research services to the federal government? Under that test there are not very many private citizens, since all tax filers get tax breaks, even if availing themselves of the lowly standard deduction and personal exemption. And, many who pay no income taxes get money back from the government, through earned income credits (sweet). Some of us get free phones. Some watch opera financed in part by taxpayer grants. So, we are all alike “public citizens,” equally beholding to our imperial federal government, right? I agree that the government ought to refrain from engaging in these activities, but, having its nose under the tent is no justifcation for it claiming it owns the tent.

One last time: I share the knowledge that student fees are spent on speakers with which many students disagree, and the sentiment that the practice is wrong (sounds like union check-off dues supporting political causes). Where I suspect we diverge is that I don’t hear liberals complain when those fees are used to bring lefties to speak on campuses, though some students find the speakers and speeches repugnant. Why not get the universities out of the business entirely of being speakers bureaus?

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Ann Coulter is one of the most brilliantly witty journalists in America and her humor is sometimes difficult to understand for the indoctrinated clueless masses. Young college skulls of mush are mostly spoonfed politics from a lieberal viewpoint, as is campus norm, and they know no other actualities associated with the Constitution. They don’t know a republic from a democracy. Where’s all the leftwing ‘tolerance’ for free speech?

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Personally, I think Ann is a national treasure. Nevertheless, using student activity fees for this type of event is questionable. The university should have hosted an open event as a debate with Ann and some off-the-shelf liberal. Then it would have been fun to watch the reaction from the all-too-quick-to-censor left.

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Did Truth in Moderation just compare Ann Coulter to Jesus at 12:46? I knew she was a bit off, wrapped up in some warped delusions, but that one is particularly amusing. But I guess that’s the kind of fantasy you get from someone who teaches her son that the fact that she didn’t abort him is evidence for creationism and against evolution. Truly twisted. (And “Scientific Creationism”, as if there were such a thing! That’s an oxymoron, genius.)

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“Unfortunately, your years of childhood religious brainwashing make it next to impossible you’ll ever be able to either understand or accept this.”

You have no idea how I was brought up, child, so stop pretending you know what I believe.

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“Coulter simply profits off of a narrow base of hate-filled, reactionary zombies who buy her books and visit her web site on a daily basis.”

As does Jesse Jackson, Bill Maher, Michael Moore, Owl Gore, Al Sharpton, Rachel Maddow, Ed Schultz, Keith Olbermann etc.

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“How’d the election work out for you last week, Phil? Must have been quite a shock to those of you in your bubbles.

Pretty badly, ma’am. Thanks for asking.

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“Phillis, are you really hurt by the outcome or are you just really, really angry?

Little girl, no not angry. Just amazed that there are so many losers who want to live off the government like you.

“It must be difficult when your whole world comes crashing down like that. Soon you might even have to come to the realization that your “MBA” is a fake degree.”

Then again, if the country goes broke, you’ll actually have to feed yourself.

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In the end, tolerance fails to tolerate Coulter’s views or at least her manner of expressing her views and. Yes, her tone is often harsh, but so what. Isn’t that what we’re to tolerate? If it is her ideas, then state them clearly and dispassionately, and then offer your rebuke. No one on this message board has done that. Just a lot of “harsh” accusations and characterizations that resemble Coulter’s own tone. If you are truly wanting to deal with Coulter, deal with her views. Don’t dismiss her.

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@PH, are all MBA’s fake degrees or just Phil’s?

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jarvis- I don’t converse with child abusers.

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Thanks for clarifying Phil.

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@ Monica

I’m debating you here, now, in a public forum and you are shrieking the leftist playbook worse than a Celine Dion does one of her songs. you allegedly oppose censorship the concept, but have no issue with the actions that enable it.

that’s no only cowardice, but hypocrisy at its finest. you get to keep your high moral standards knowing other people will do your dirty work for you.

as for my pseudonym: its commonly known here I use it because I am engaged in a fight with the state and cannot risk reprisals. if you wish to go one on one in person, let Maureen know and I’ll be happy to visit you and call you and intellectual coward (on this issue) in person to your face. and you can learn first hand just how well studied and quick on my feet I can be.

you, too, benefit here from the ability to take the time to measure your responses, so that “point” is less than moot. as is your journalism degree, except for further showing your left of center intolerance credentials.

but I do give you points for trying to promote yourself as being smarter than me in ways which have zero bearing on the topic you can’t defend logically. sorry, but that dog don’t hunt either. the number of degrees you have is immaterial to me in nearly every sense of the word. I’m neither impressed or intimidated by your letters or alphabet soup following your name.

since you made the point of YOUR tax dollars supporting Fordham, guess what: so do mine, if it comes to that. as do the taxes of the Fordham republicans. so taking that tack, I demand on behalf of our taxes she be allowed to speak.

I abhor my tax dollars being used to help a man I vigorously oppose (Obama) promote a socialist welfare state while leaving an US ambassador to die in Libya.

but as I hope you know, that’s not the way our system works. we don’t get to pick and choose how our taxes are applied based on individual preference.

lastly, your bit about Ann’s stupid comments fails poorly and pathetically with the three following words: Freddy’s Fashion Mart. if you can show anywhere Ann stood outside a mosque inciting violence which lead DIRECTLY to someone’s death, link it.

I’ll wait.

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quick sidenote:

I have no idea if Fordham gets any federal or state funding at all.
if they don’t they are of course entitled to invite, un-invite, ect anyone they wish, provided they don’t violate anyone’s constitutional rights.

and in no point in this mess are Ann’s rights being violated.

if however, they do get federal or state support…then it becomes another matter altogether. any institution getting the people’s money can not engage in this kind of philosophical censorship/promotion of one side or the other. they often do, but they’re not supposed to.

either way, to paraphrase Bill Clinton (ironic moment here) Its the principal, stupid.

one would think the Catholic church of all entities would understand that.

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One of the things I see Ms. Coulter has been paid for is fronting for the official 9/11 story and in her Christmas stocking of demons including those evil Arabs who did those bad things. This was pretty much the full time occupation of a certain high profile media collective. Meanwhile today, a number of uninvolved engineers are stepping forward and calling the NIST report a fraud that did not follow procedure and also ignored the quick shipping offshore the evidence which would be analyzed and reconstructed to figure out what happened. Engineers are calling the removal of evidence a crime and the report a fraud. In this regard, and in a very serious way, Coulter may be guilty of repping on the front end, being part of a cover up. And then there’s the part of Building 7 just falling out of the air in 10 seconds. If you are not updated about these events, you might consider it your democratic duty to be informed.

I recently got an email from an old guy from Chicago who told about when he was a kid in 1972 an airplane was told to not land at Midway airport and then it dropped out of the sky and crashed on a bunch of houses. Inside the commercial airline was Howard Hunts wife and she was flying around the country paying off people with cash so they would not testify about Watergate. Apparently there were many official on the crash site searching for cash, which they found, between 10k and 100k. I had never heard of this and if you want to look it up, do a search for “United 553.”

I really see Ms. Coulter as doing little more than running interference and making redirect noise while BushCo had their way with things. She is part of a collective and industry who were doing this, and their wares were forced upon the public through narrow ownership of major media who would blast the people with this garbage. I have been in rural area when on the radio you have a choice of Limbaugh or Hannity blasting the same garbage at you and there was nothing else on the airways for “talk radio.” These persons are highly paid and do their job well, but it is not honest work. It is a propaganda technique and it works as long as it is supported by the media networks. These persons are hardly populist figures, they are manufactured propaganda artists.

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@ Phil from Athens, November 12th, 8:12 am. ” “Not sure how long you have been reading, but the blog, as the banner says, is about “education in Georgia and the nation.” Has been for years as regular readers can tell you. (You can read the archives on college-related topics.)” So what does Ann Coulter have to do with education? Why focus on her?”

I think that this blog-topic is really about the difficulties that colleges face in trying to regulate “hate-speech” on their campuses while observing the free speech strictures of the First Amendment. And I can tell you this is a thorny issue for institutions of higher education generally, for I have served on a University committee trying to set reasonable limits on what would be allowed on the University campus and what wouldn’t. (What about Palestinian sympathizers who wish to proselytize on campus against “fascist Zionists” and all Jews?)

This is a worthy topic for a blog about education and its current topics.

I myself wonder if perhaps the Fordham University Republicans backed off their invitation to Ann Coulter because the New York Republicans did not want their party represented by her in strongly Democratic New York, where Fordham University is located.)

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I bet they’d welcome some one like Van Jones, Chris Matthews, or Rachel Maddow in a heartbeat? Sad as Miss Coulter could have done some good giving the other side of the liberal classroom vitriol that is taught in class by the academic world.

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“(And “Scientific Creationism”, as if there were such a thing! That’s an oxymoron, genius.)”

Yes, just like “Progressive Humanist.” LOL!

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we think it is “w’s” fault!

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Racist opinions plus lies equals millionaire status.Ann , Russ, Franklin ,Pat and Fox news are the biggest con artist and pimps in the U.S. The listening public are the marks and johns.WAKE UP AMERICA. I salute Fordham

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IT’S A SHAME THESE COLLEGE PHONIES CAN’T BE OPEN MINDED! ….IF IT WAS THE SUPREME LEADER OF IRAN…THAT WOULD BE OK !!

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@ Prof
Actually, my post was quite literal. If you are a Prof(essor), you must be smart. JUST WHAT IS GOING ON AT 55 WATER STREET, as I write? Every stock,bond,and mortgage, and “other” paper securities traded ON THE PLANET goes through this building. http://www.silverstackerhaven.com/index.php?/topic/1396-special-report-the-dtccs-365-trillion-flood-fraud-bix-weir-andy-hoffman/
http://theautomaticearth.com/Finance/did-hurricane-sandy-cause-365-trillion-in-damage.html

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Father Joseph McShane, S.J., for Pope! I love Fordham University.

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Have any of the people responding to this bolg ever read any of her books? Do you think is lying? Her books are well researched and successful. This is political correctness on steroids. WHAT A JOKE..

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Let her speak anywhere she likes… just like Rush and Sean, since it’s a free country …. but have the repubs not figured out that these oafs helped lose them the election, catering to under-educated listeners and Walmart moms? When will they learn? I voted for Romney, but had to tune out the aforementioned repub talking heads who do WAY more harm than good… in fact, I can’t think of any good they do… if you can, please let me know. They are very much to blame for the hatred and partisan politics prevalent today.

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Maureen, why are you giving AC free publicity here? The rest of the media had agreed not to give Shirley Phelps Roper any, citing lunatic fringe that shouldn’t get any air time or in print… AC should be the same. She is no longer relevant and old news. If the repubs were smart, they would WAY distance themselves from her and realize they will never get anywhere with the likes of her, Sean and Rush on their side.

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Don’t care if Ann Coulter has not blown up any buildings. She is vile, hate-filled, does nothing to contribute to the debate. Someone above said she is a “witty, intelligent writer.” Well, maybe she is intelligent… But her main purpose seems to be to incite people, who really don’t need any encouragement. Like a few months ago, when she called John McCain, a “douchebag”. Stuff like that, is why I have no use for her, even though I agree with most Republican and conservative ideas I would not go across the street to see her speak.

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Shirley Phelps is adorable. -talk about a survivor. (not to endorse her practice of provoking people so that her family can come back around and sue them – their standard technique – stock and trade).

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I may disagree vehemently with your opinions, but I will defend to the death your right to speak them. It is called FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

I think it is shameful to silence her after you INVITED her to speak. You don’t HAVE to agree with her.

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I said earlier, which no one responded to. Not one person against Coulter has indicated what view she holds they take issue with. She is called names, and described in unflattering ways. The irony is that this is what Coulter herself does, except she explains her view, articulates it well, then says something biting or sarcastic in order to characterize it. On this message board, just a lot of “left-wing” anger. How can liberals expect to defeat conservatism without engaging its views? By simply name-calling. It works but it has no integrity.

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The snowball is now tumbling at breakneck speed down the hill to a total censorship of conservatives by the liberal / socialists in this country. And as in this case, intimidation and reproachement from higher ups is being used to cut off the free speech of those with a conservative view.

The most intolerant, closed minded people in America, are the liberals. And they would censor every single person who they disagree with if they could. And they just might.

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Where did Phil go? Maybe to find his “eggs”? (English translation from Spanish.)

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@bus2 “I could find a comparable example for every one you gave of Coulter’s “hate” speech simply by looking at the leftist columnists in the AJC. But since you don’t agree with Coulter, you find it “hate” speech. But when Sanchez or Pitts or Dowd or Krugman says that sort of thing, its the “truth.””

When you find an example of the above suggesting the only way to communicate with members of the right is with a baseball bat, or that they should be killed, or lynched for their ideas, I will be equally disgusted. Please don’t tell me how I feel about ANY pundit and their commentary.

@Ken “Not one person against Coulter has indicated what view she holds they take issue with.”

I posted quite a long list of some of her comments I take issue with – actually. Suggesting someone poison a member of the Supreme Court is something of which I certainly “take issue,” among others. Do you really consider that the only was to engage with liberals is with a “baseball bat” Or that we should be lynched for our views? Or that we should be intimidated by the right and fearful of being killed?

If not, then Coulter does not support your idea of “engagement” with opposing views.

@Ken “This message board has no examples of liberals disputing her ideas.”

How do you “dispute” or “defeat” an approach to issues that suggests a baseball bat is the only method of persuasion? There is no “idea” expressed with which it is worth even trying to engage! I am all for engaging in discussions with those with opposing views. It is one of my favorite pastimes, (so no, I am not for “censoring every single person I disagree with” despite such hyperbole), but there have to be actual IDEAS involved.

What could I say to counter someone like Coulter? ”

“Well, I do read books!”

“I am not a terrorist!”

“I don’t’ laugh at Americans who love the country!”

“I don’t adore violent criminals!”

What would be the point, really?

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Lest we forget, this is a PRIVATE school, not a public one. They have MUCH more authority in their decisions that public colleges and universities. As they should.

363 and counting? Is that a record for the ed blog, Maureen?

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Do Jesuits swear an oath?
http://vaticannewworldorder.blogspot.com/2012/06/jesuit-oath-of-induction-is-also.html
If so, Ann was very BRAVE to agree to the Fordham speaking engagement in the first place. Perhaps her uninvite was Divine protection.

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Wow, that Jesuit oath sounds a lot like what is taught by the Koran.

Jerry Brown is a Jesuit politician. Sounds like he is running Fordham.

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@bootney, using an alias to call me a “coward” is supremely ironic, no? And calling me names to express your displeasure over my use of Coulter’s own language that she has issued as I underscore her vileness only adds to that. You asked for examples of her inciting violence and recommending the deaths of other people as solutions to the world’s ills (as though that would be the only thing about her “free speech” exercises that would make it unfit for consumption by decent people), and I produced them.

I reiterate that I have no problem with Coulter publishing her crap, or others buying it. I’m not into censorship of ideas. I am into restriction of the ability of publicly supported institutions giving a platform to Nazis, the Klan, Ann Coulter, et al. And they’re all part and parcel.

No more hijacking this thread.

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Never mind people. I’m way behind. You guys are having your own discussion.

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@Dr. Henson
Since you are on a Nazi hunt, you might want to look into this:
“At age 14 , Ratzinger enrolled in Germany’s “Hitler Youth”. He got out early so he could study for the priesthood. Two years later, when he was 16, Ratzinger was drafted again by the German Army. He worked in an anti-aircraft brigade – shooting down British, American and allied planes. In 1945, he was put through basic training and stationed near his hometown in Bavaria. Ratzinger was captured by American soldiers and spent the remainder of World War II in a POW camp with other nazi POW’s.”
http://www.helpfreetheearth.com/news37_pope.html

“The problem with Pope Benedict XVI (Ratzinger) isn’t that he was a member of the “Nazi Youth”, but that from age 6 on, Ratzinger was educated in an educational system that was subsidized by the Nazi state. The Catholic Church knew that it could only teach from the pulpit and in its classrooms what met the approval of the Nazi government. Young Ratzinger may have, as he now claims, been an unwilling member of the Hitler youth, but he is still a product of the times, times when his church had to choose between playing the role of prophet or being quiet in order to continue collecting the generous subsidy that Hitler’s government provided for its personel and for its institutions, with the control which those subsidies gave the Nazis over the “confessional” schools and even their seminaries. If the Nazis had not approved of the training that young Ratzinger received in his German Catholic seminary, that institution would have been closed in the blinking of an eye.”
http://www.catholicarrogance.org/Catholic/popesnosaints.html

Of course, the Jesuits swear an oath of allegiance to the Pope. Therefore, by your reckoning, Fordham University should receive no public tax dollars. If Ann were the Nazi you imply, why did the school reject her?

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hey Prof Coulter would probably have no problem gaining access to a podium at Fordham if she was not out for the coin.

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OUT FOR THE COIN.

CHAPTER I.
JOHN HENRY GETS IN WALL STREET.
SEVEN thousand ahead in seven days!—John, if you keep that up you’ll set Morgan back among the pikers!” Bunch Jefferson joshed me, as we ducked out of a broker’s office and headed up Wall Street for Broadway.
“It does look like a skeeze!” I answered, swelling up fore and aft, as I gave Bunch the easy-money gaze.
“I’ve got money now I can’t spend. Every morning I crawl into the bank
with a bundle of bills that a horse couldn’t kick apart in a week!”

“Say! Bunch, the receiving teller up at the Money Barn has gout in his fingers from counting the kick-full of yellow backs I unload on him every day. If my luck holds out and I keep on Pierping I’ll have to build my own bank.”
Bunch gave me the merry ring-off and told me that my head-piece was growing out over the sidewalk too far.
“The trouble with you, John,” explained Bunch, as we dropped into the club where I get my mail down town, “is that a bundle of quick money gives you palpitation of the egotism, and you begin to see medals on your chest!”
Bunch loves to throw ice-water at his friends.

“Who put you woozy to this Wall Street fight?” inquired Bunch.
“Uncle Peter did,” I answered. ” Say! will you go in bathing if I call the waiter? What’ll it be, surf or still water?
“A lemonade for mine,” Bunch said.
“All right, if you’re afraid of the surf so am I—bring me the same! Yes; you know Uncle Peter used to be a money-coaxer here in the Street.
“He was one of those old guys with the mucilage on the hands—couldn’t drag the money away from him without tearing it.
“Finally he got so rich that he used to trip and fall over the day’s winnings when he tried to lock up shop in the evening. He then decided to build a fort around his rake-off, so he
grabbed his lid, shook a day-day to the Street, and dipped for the woods.”

“No doubt your family history is highly diverting when heard for the first time,” Bunch put in, “but it turns sour on the twenty-second repeat. Let’s have sixteen bars rest on this Uncle Peter gag. I know he’s the man who invented money and then sat down on his invention, but why tease ourselves by walking around the mint when the gates are all locked?”
“Bunch, you give me a pain in the waist!” I got back; “ever since you fell in love with Alice Gray you’ve done nothing but stand around and throw the hammer at Uncle Peter. The fact that Alice’s Uncle William Gray and Peter Grant are ancient enimies doesn’t give you the right to jab the harpoon into my uncle. What are you trying to do, cook up one of those Kentucky feuds just to make good with the girl?”

Bunch laughed uneasily, and said, “Nix on the feud thing, but you must remember, John, that Uncle William Gray used to do a few stunts in Wall Street himself before he crawled away into high grass to cool off. Peter Grant wasn’t the only cuckoo on the curb in those days!”
“Why, Uncle Peter put it all over oldBill Gray whenever they bumped,” I yelled. “Every time they clinched Uncle Peter used to push Bill Gray under the safe and hit him with the combination.
“Old Bill Gray is only an imitation financier. He’s nothing but a piker. Whenever he lost two dollars he made the office boy jab the hypodermic needle into his shoulder in order to
put strength enough in his arm to pay up.

“I’m wise to that old jojo. Every time he won eight dollars he used to run out in the street and faint there so as not to wear out his office floor. Don’t unveil any Bill Gray statues near me, Bunch, or I’ll get critical.”
Bunch was hot about the collar just about then, so I called for another dish of ice and we bit into it.
Presently Bunch caught a cool and inquired, “What stock are you trailing?”
“D. Q. & N.,” I said, “and it’s the goods. I climbed in at 95 and to-day it’s 104. It’s a moral that it goes to 10 before it hits the ceiling. Why don’t you cut off a slice?”
“Not me,” Bunch said; “I’ve been tipped to a sag.”
” Sag nothing,” I chirped; ” everything is on the airship. It’s a case of balloon on the Bourse, my boy, so come on up the ladder. D. Q. & N. goes up to 10 without a single sidestep.

“Why, Bunch, I’ve picked out the spot where I’ll build a tunnel from here to Hartford, Conn., as soon as D. Q. & N. hits the rafters. That’s the latest pizaro, my friend. All we millionaires begin to build tunnels when our wealth gets cumbersome. Come on, Beau, get in on D. Q. & N., and join the tunnel push, won’t you?”

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Wow, Digressive Humanist, you give out your services for free?
Please post your phone number so other Get Schoolers can take advantage of your humanitarian aid!
I’ll be happy to do a blog testimonial and give you ALL the credit for my sane posts! And of course, we only have your WORD, that you are a member of that illustrious group. The content of your posts suggest otherwise.

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@Prof
So Fordham is the equivalent of an Amendment 1 charter school? Someone had already quoted how much Federal funding they receive. Our tax dollars, but no Constitutional free speech, eh? Nice.

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@ Dr. Monica Henson. It also occurs to me that, according to the information you’ve given in earlier posts about your immediate experience with mentally challenged children, then Ann Coulter’s use of words such as “retard” could be considered “fighting words” which the First Amendment expressly states are not covered free speech.

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Of interest, Anne Coulter called out both Pedophilia and the lack of leadership in the Catholic Church during a time of predatorship of children. I dont recall Fr Mcshane ever writing or speaking on the subject. Instead he and the Bishops and Cardinals protected the worst of the worst and moved predators to another Diocease so they could repeat offend. Now Anne Coulter comes with a new message that progressivism and runaway entitlements are creating serious financial deficits that could bring our country to ruin. Are not College students adult and there to learn both sides of the arguement. Hypocrisy comes to mind.The Jesuits ran the inquisition in Spain and Fr Mcshane and Fordham will now lead the next round,, Why not invite a real bomb thrower in like Al Sharpton. I am sure he can tell Fordham students about the serious ideological differences. Young Republicans get some guts.

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Truth, do you not understand the convention of using asterisks to substitute for letters so as not to use profanity in a blog post?

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And Dr. Henson, whatever you do, DON’T visit the Pretend City Children’s Museum, in Irvine California! I’m sure you would demand that their funding be pulled IMMEDIATELY.

http://www.dailytitan.com/2010/09/hindu-swastika-to-be-rehung-at-children’s-museum/

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Truth in Moderation, you are being tacky and inappropriate. I, for one, wish more people could say what they really wanted to say. Let me think of the people who curse like sailors. Well, not many. But I like it. A lot. I like language. And I like expression. And I guess I was raised with some training that there is only one who judges and that one is not me, lest I risk being caught in hellfire and damnation. Any literate person knows the many legitimate uses of expressive language. If you’re provincial and want other people to talk like in church on Sunday, you have lots and lots of company here in the state of Georgia, where we like to make the rules and use the stuff that the rest of the world makes. There’s no censorship like self censorship.

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Truth in Moderation, You’re an omnishambles. Truly.

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@PC
“Let me think of the people who curse like sailors. Well, not many. But I like it. A lot. I like language. And I like expression.”
So, I take it you are an Ann Coulter fan, yes?

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You shall know them by their works.

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I can’t wait for the outrage and protest of this:http://www.accessatlanta.com/ap/ap/entertainment/rapper-activist-to-host-lecture-at-uga/nS6BF/

Rapper
“Perhaps best known for his role in the hip hop group Public Enemy, rapper Chuck D is set to deliver a lecture later this month at the University of Georgia titled “Rap, Race and Reality.

The event, scheduled for Nov. 27, is sponsored by the university’s student union and will be held in the Grand Hall of the Tate Student Center.”

It should go without saying that the event is paid for with student activities and is “free” to students.

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The issue is whether there is outrage over the use of student fees to bring this speaker onto campus.

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Chuck D speaking to the social, political and economic issues facing urban communities

Sounds great! Despite what people think of their use of language and such, I think Ying Yang Twins from College Park should open up a media arts production charter school because they have made some superb sounding records. Atlanta is to progressive rap music, etc. what Nashville is to country music. One thing the two cities have in common is that somewhere in them are some production people who really know their stuff, way off the chart from most “indy” efforts.

Hey Lexi check this out. I really admire these artists “Remote Kontrol.” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t97VuCrjnSM They’re not rich or particularly well known but I really admire them. I think they’re based in Atlanta. If anyone has the means, colleges, etc. get them a show! I am sure they can use the support.

PS hey – this is great stuff! great track! – Public Enemy – Don’t Believe The Hype http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vQaVIoEjOM

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It’s emphatically clear the Jesuits afraid of what Ann Coulter might reveal. Perhaps they fear a speaker ready to reveal the total brain-washing Jesuits have drummed into the minds of their subjects.

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@PC
We agree on more than you might think. A propagandist, to be effective, must speak a volume of truth, mixed with a lie. Ann has done just that. On this blog, I honed in on the truth she MUST speak, and noted the effectiveness with which she speaks. The reasoning of those speaking against her truth, is delusional. “There is no honor amongst thieves”. In my opinion, the bloggers were stirred up by her TRUTH, not her lies.

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Mr Ward:
I agree that Nazis ought to be allowed to speak. If Coulter, nazis, or Black Panthers can’t attract and keep audieñces they will wither without censorship. I don’t relish the notion of any of our betters choosing which ideas we can’t hear.
Again, reason the speaker’s invitation was revoked was content, and the fact Coulter ruffles feathers is a por reason to disinvited her

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I was not aware that the Jesuits at Fordham University actually sponsor events by those engaged in homosexual behaviors.

I do not think Miss Coulter is filled with hate. I think she has issues concerning blackness. But all in all Miss Coulter is a woman as bold and as brash as any male rhetorician. Sometimes she hits it on the head sometimes it a stretch and sometimes she’s all wet. She’s a feirce debator. Most sincere debator’s are feirce and uncompromising. She is also a woman who I think genuinely cares abouy her country and what she thinks is the best response to the growing permissiveness. While a single woman who professes to have a relationship with Christ. I think the College Republicans could have proffered several caveats or protocols of how she would be expected to conduct her communication. SImply pass along the expected decorum and allow Miss Coulter to decide.

Afterall, to the President’s credit he did not out an out ban the speaker he expressed his displeasure at their choice.

I would that they would have responded to Miss Coulter with same tolerance, openess, and love that they claim to espouse for men and women who openly engage in behavior anti-thetical to Catholcism, but Christ and scripture as well.

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