Ann Coulter vs. the Jesuits at Fordham: A college invite is rescinded
Pundit Ann Coulter
I have written this blog now for several years, and only mentioned acidic pundit Ann Coulter once. Three weeks later, I am bringing her up again because this incident demonstrates a sensible way to handle controversies over college speakers.
Coulter was invited to Fordham University in New York to speak on Nov. 29 by the College Republicans.
The planned appearance triggered protests and a student petition. A group of students argued that tuition should not be used to underwrite speakers at the private college who are “not compatible with the values the Fordham community professes – particularly the Jesuit tenet of ‘Men and Women for and With Others’.”
See what you think of Fordham President Joseph M. McShane’s response and of the decision Friday night by the Fordham College Republicans to cancel Coulter’s appearance.
First, Father McShane’s statement:
The College Republicans, a student club at Fordham University, has invited Ann Coulter to speak on campus on November 29. The event is funded through student activity fees and is not open to the public nor the media. Student groups are allowed, and encouraged, to invite speakers who represent diverse, and sometimes unpopular, points of view, in keeping with the canons of academic freedom. Accordingly, the University will not block the College Republicans from hosting their speaker of choice on campus.
To say that I am disappointed with the judgment and maturity of the College Republicans, however, would be a tremendous understatement. There are many people who can speak to the conservative point of view with integrity and conviction, but Ms. Coulter is not among them. Her rhetoric is often hateful and needlessly provocative — more heat than light — and her message is aimed squarely at the darker side of our nature.
As members of a Jesuit institution, we are called upon to deal with one another with civility and compassion, not to sling mud and impugn the motives of those with whom we disagree or to engage in racial or social stereotyping. In the wake of several bias incidents last spring, I told the University community that I hold out great contempt for anyone who would intentionally inflict pain on another human being because of their race, gender, sexual orientation, or creed.
“Disgust” was the word I used to sum up my feelings about those incidents. Hate speech, name-calling, and incivility are completely at odds with the Jesuit ideals that have always guided and animated Fordham.
Still, to prohibit Ms. Coulter from speaking at Fordham would be to do greater violence to the academy, and to the Jesuit tradition of fearless and robust engagement. Preventing Ms. Coulter from speaking would counter one wrong with another. The old saw goes that the answer to bad speech is more speech. This is especially true at a university, and I fully expect our students, faculty, alumni, parents, and staff to voice their opposition, civilly and respectfully, and forcefully.
The College Republicans have unwittingly provided Fordham with a test of its character: do we abandon our ideals in the face of repugnant speech and seek to stifle Ms. Coulter’s (and the student organizers’) opinions, or do we use her appearance as an opportunity to prove that our ideas are better and our faith in the academy — and one another — stronger? We have chosen the latter course, confident in our community and in the power of decency and reason to overcome hatred and prejudice.
Joseph M. McShane, S.J., President
From the College Republicans late Friday:
The College Republicans regret the controversy surrounding our planned lecture featuring Ann Coulter. The size and severity of opposition to this event have caught us by surprise and caused us to question our decision to welcome her to Rose Hill. Looking at the concerns raised about Ms. Coulter, many of them reasonable, we have determined that some of her comments do not represent the ideals of the College Republicans and are inconsistent with both our organization’s mission and the University’s. We regret that we failed to thoroughly research her before announcing; that is our error and we do not excuse ourselves for it. Consistent with our strong disagreement with certain comments by Ms. Coulter, we have chosen to cancel the event and rescind Ms. Coulter’s invitation to speak at Fordham.
We made this choice freely before Father McShane’s email was sent out and we became aware of his feelings – had the President simply reached out to us before releasing his statement, he would have learned that the event was being cancelled. We hope the University community will forgive the College Republicans for our error and continue to allow us to serve as its main voice of the sensible, compassionate, and conservative political movement that we strive to be. We fell short of that standard this time, and we offer our sincere apologies.
–From Maureen Downey, for the AJC Get Schooled blog
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Private Citizen
November 12th, 2012
2:33 pm
AT Yes, but she has fronted for the same. Your comment may be a lot closer than you know.
If anyone wants to see Ms. Coulter in action as a speaker presenting her book “Demonic”, here you go. http://www.booktv.org/Watch/12624/Demonic+How+the+Liberal+Mob+is+Endangering+America.aspx According to the introduction, She understands conservatism.
“The ideal audience for me are right wingers a little liquored up” goes on to make a joke about “Weiner-gate.” Her premise: “Mobs are always demonic and demons are always mobs, and I describe the democratic party… as a mob” “Without a massive cat-fight my book sales will suffer.”
Yep.
Private Citizen
November 12th, 2012
2:40 pm
Shirley Phelps is adorable. -talk about a survivor. (not to endorse her practice of provoking people so that her family can come back around and sue them – their standard technique – stock and trade).
markoo
November 12th, 2012
2:45 pm
What do you expect in a society where the meaning of the word “disagreement” has been changed to a synonym for “hate”?
Jan
November 12th, 2012
2:55 pm
I may disagree vehemently with your opinions, but I will defend to the death your right to speak them. It is called FREEDOM OF SPEECH.
I think it is shameful to silence her after you INVITED her to speak. You don’t HAVE to agree with her.
independent36
November 12th, 2012
2:56 pm
Has anyone figured out what’s up with Ann Coulter’s Adams apple?
Ken
November 12th, 2012
3:11 pm
I said earlier, which no one responded to. Not one person against Coulter has indicated what view she holds they take issue with. She is called names, and described in unflattering ways. The irony is that this is what Coulter herself does, except she explains her view, articulates it well, then says something biting or sarcastic in order to characterize it. On this message board, just a lot of “left-wing” anger. How can liberals expect to defeat conservatism without engaging its views? By simply name-calling. It works but it has no integrity.
pb
November 12th, 2012
3:22 pm
Ken,
You must not have read some of the comments above. Calling John McCain a “douchebag” is a view I do take issue with. If you think she represents the way a debate should be conducted, I think you are wrong. Are you trying to be funny, talking about her being the victim of name-calling? She is one of the worst practioners of name- calling in modern day politics. She does not advance the Republican or conservative cause, just gets more publicity for her repulsive views. Which I am unfortunately,helping publicize, by even talking about her !
truthhurts
November 12th, 2012
3:27 pm
The snowball is now tumbling at breakneck speed down the hill to a total censorship of conservatives by the liberal / socialists in this country. And as in this case, intimidation and reproachement from higher ups is being used to cut off the free speech of those with a conservative view.
The most intolerant, closed minded people in America, are the liberals. And they would censor every single person who they disagree with if they could. And they just might.
Progressive Humanist
November 12th, 2012
3:40 pm
Uh, Ken, we liberals have already defeated conservatism. Did you happen to read a newspaper last Wednesday morning? We don’t need to engage the filthy yahoos.
Progressive Humanist
November 12th, 2012
3:43 pm
Where did Phil go? Maybe to find his “eggs”? (English translation from Spanish.)
Ken
November 12th, 2012
5:27 pm
PB, no I was not trying to be funny. I was not saying that she is a model of debate either. Finally, I did not say that she is a victim of name calling. I’m saying:
1. Liberals call her names for “calling people names.”
2. Liberals do not debate or dispute her ideas they just call her more names.
3. This message board has no examples of liberals disputing her ideas.
I think it is hypocritical to assume (those that do) that they are tolerant and people with a spirit of dialogue but they do not demonstrate that with Ann’s views. Humanist is a case in point. Calling conservatives “filthy yahoos.”
I love teaching. I hate what it is becoming...
November 12th, 2012
6:11 pm
@bus2 “I could find a comparable example for every one you gave of Coulter’s “hate” speech simply by looking at the leftist columnists in the AJC. But since you don’t agree with Coulter, you find it “hate” speech. But when Sanchez or Pitts or Dowd or Krugman says that sort of thing, its the “truth.””
When you find an example of the above suggesting the only way to communicate with members of the right is with a baseball bat, or that they should be killed, or lynched for their ideas, I will be equally disgusted. Please don’t tell me how I feel about ANY pundit and their commentary.
@Ken “Not one person against Coulter has indicated what view she holds they take issue with.”
I posted quite a long list of some of her comments I take issue with – actually. Suggesting someone poison a member of the Supreme Court is something of which I certainly “take issue,” among others. Do you really consider that the only was to engage with liberals is with a “baseball bat” Or that we should be lynched for our views? Or that we should be intimidated by the right and fearful of being killed?
If not, then Coulter does not support your idea of “engagement” with opposing views.
@Ken “This message board has no examples of liberals disputing her ideas.”
How do you “dispute” or “defeat” an approach to issues that suggests a baseball bat is the only method of persuasion? There is no “idea” expressed with which it is worth even trying to engage! I am all for engaging in discussions with those with opposing views. It is one of my favorite pastimes, (so no, I am not for “censoring every single person I disagree with” despite such hyperbole), but there have to be actual IDEAS involved.
What could I say to counter someone like Coulter? ”
“Well, I do read books!”
“I am not a terrorist!”
“I don’t’ laugh at Americans who love the country!”
“I don’t adore violent criminals!”
What would be the point, really?
Truth in Moderation
November 12th, 2012
6:20 pm
Wealthy Dump Assets Amid Worries About Going Over ‘Cliff’
“Fearing an increase in capital gains and dividend taxes, many of the rich are unloading stocks, businesses and homes before the end of the year.”
http://www.cnbc.com/id/49792979
Perhaps they go word that their stock certificates and mortgages are literally “UNDER WATER” at 55 Water Street, Lower Manhattan, yes?
Is Ann Coulter selling her stocks?
http://theautomaticearth.com/Finance/did-hurricane-sandy-cause-365-trillion-in-damage.html
Jerry Eads
November 12th, 2012
6:54 pm
Lest we forget, this is a PRIVATE school, not a public one. They have MUCH more authority in their decisions that public colleges and universities. As they should.
363 and counting? Is that a record for the ed blog, Maureen?
Maureen Downey
November 12th, 2012
7:13 pm
@Jerry, No, I think the record is more than a thousand.
Maureen
Truth in Moderation
November 12th, 2012
7:19 pm
Do Jesuits swear an oath?
http://vaticannewworldorder.blogspot.com/2012/06/jesuit-oath-of-induction-is-also.html
If so, Ann was very BRAVE to agree to the Fordham speaking engagement in the first place. Perhaps her uninvite was Divine protection.
Tim Sozio
November 12th, 2012
7:26 pm
Thing is I always thought the idea of free speech in general and in the case of the first amendment political speech specifically was about that speech we do not like – not that we are comfortable with. Seems to me the university wants to be comfortable.
Lexi
November 12th, 2012
7:43 pm
Wow, that Jesuit oath sounds a lot like what is taught by the Koran.
Jerry Brown is a Jesuit politician. Sounds like he is running Fordham.
Ken
November 12th, 2012
9:32 pm
“I love teaching …” Thank you for you response. So you take issue with her jokes about poisoning, etc. That’s fair. I would not have said that, but regardless, what of her views? Here’s a quote from her regarding her pro-life views.
“Anti-abortion activists have only killed seven people, while abortions have killed millions.”
Impolite yes? Fair? Insensitive to the families of those doctor’s who were killed by crazies? Yes. However, if people are willing to consider that abortion is actually killing a person, they know what Coulter is saying to the person who prompted this response. Saying it as she does puts the pro-life argument in their face. If you are pro-choice, you need to engage the argument not be outraged at how she made her case. So, have abortions killed millions and if so, should it continue? What is the basis of the argument that abortion is not killing? These things are rarely discussed.
Dr. Monica Henson
November 12th, 2012
9:43 pm
@bootney, using an alias to call me a “coward” is supremely ironic, no? And calling me names to express your displeasure over my use of Coulter’s own language that she has issued as I underscore her vileness only adds to that. You asked for examples of her inciting violence and recommending the deaths of other people as solutions to the world’s ills (as though that would be the only thing about her “free speech” exercises that would make it unfit for consumption by decent people), and I produced them.
I reiterate that I have no problem with Coulter publishing her crap, or others buying it. I’m not into censorship of ideas. I am into restriction of the ability of publicly supported institutions giving a platform to Nazis, the Klan, Ann Coulter, et al. And they’re all part and parcel.
No more hijacking this thread.
Ken
November 12th, 2012
9:49 pm
Who is @bootney?
Ken
November 12th, 2012
9:53 pm
Never mind people. I’m way behind. You guys are having your own discussion.
Prof
November 12th, 2012
10:01 pm
@ Dr. Monica Henson. But usually “publicly supported institutions” occupy public space, and all citizens have First Amendment rights. To what extent do such institutions have the right to “restrict” speech on their campuses by refusing to give a “platform” to the groups you mention? That is the legal problem that colleges and Universities face.
Truth in Moderation
November 13th, 2012
9:54 am
@Dr. Henson
Since you are on a Nazi hunt, you might want to look into this:
“At age 14 , Ratzinger enrolled in Germany’s “Hitler Youth”. He got out early so he could study for the priesthood. Two years later, when he was 16, Ratzinger was drafted again by the German Army. He worked in an anti-aircraft brigade – shooting down British, American and allied planes. In 1945, he was put through basic training and stationed near his hometown in Bavaria. Ratzinger was captured by American soldiers and spent the remainder of World War II in a POW camp with other nazi POW’s.”
http://www.helpfreetheearth.com/news37_pope.html
“The problem with Pope Benedict XVI (Ratzinger) isn’t that he was a member of the “Nazi Youth”, but that from age 6 on, Ratzinger was educated in an educational system that was subsidized by the Nazi state. The Catholic Church knew that it could only teach from the pulpit and in its classrooms what met the approval of the Nazi government. Young Ratzinger may have, as he now claims, been an unwilling member of the Hitler youth, but he is still a product of the times, times when his church had to choose between playing the role of prophet or being quiet in order to continue collecting the generous subsidy that Hitler’s government provided for its personel and for its institutions, with the control which those subsidies gave the Nazis over the “confessional” schools and even their seminaries. If the Nazis had not approved of the training that young Ratzinger received in his German Catholic seminary, that institution would have been closed in the blinking of an eye.”
http://www.catholicarrogance.org/Catholic/popesnosaints.html
Of course, the Jesuits swear an oath of allegiance to the Pope. Therefore, by your reckoning, Fordham University should receive no public tax dollars. If Ann were the Nazi you imply, why did the school reject her?
Progressive Humanist
November 13th, 2012
10:12 am
Truth in Moderation- You’re unstable and I advise you to seek help. You come up with one tangential conspiracy theory after another. But worst of all was your admission that you convinced your disabled son that Natural Selection, a scientific fact, was false, and that creationism, a myth, was true by somehow suggesting that if the Theory of Evolution was accurate you would have aborted him. Since he was not aborted, you then inferred that means that a magical primate willed the universe into existence by his powers of mental telepathy. That’s pretty disturbing, and as a psychologist I encourage you to seek counseling.
Private Citizen
November 13th, 2012
10:48 am
hey Prof Coulter would probably have no problem gaining access to a podium at Fordham if she was not out for the coin.
Private Citizen
November 13th, 2012
10:53 am
Out for the Coin! (1903) http://www.flickr.com/photos/benchilada/4616015410/
Private Citizen
November 13th, 2012
10:59 am
OUT FOR THE COIN.
CHAPTER I.
JOHN HENRY GETS IN WALL STREET.
SEVEN thousand ahead in seven days!—John, if you keep that up you’ll set Morgan back among the pikers!” Bunch Jefferson joshed me, as we ducked out of a broker’s office and headed up Wall Street for Broadway.
“It does look like a skeeze!” I answered, swelling up fore and aft, as I gave Bunch the easy-money gaze.
“I’ve got money now I can’t spend. Every morning I crawl into the bank
with a bundle of bills that a horse couldn’t kick apart in a week!”
“Say! Bunch, the receiving teller up at the Money Barn has gout in his fingers from counting the kick-full of yellow backs I unload on him every day. If my luck holds out and I keep on Pierping I’ll have to build my own bank.”
Bunch gave me the merry ring-off and told me that my head-piece was growing out over the sidewalk too far.
“The trouble with you, John,” explained Bunch, as we dropped into the club where I get my mail down town, “is that a bundle of quick money gives you palpitation of the egotism, and you begin to see medals on your chest!”
Bunch loves to throw ice-water at his friends.
“Who put you woozy to this Wall Street fight?” inquired Bunch.
“Uncle Peter did,” I answered. ” Say! will you go in bathing if I call the waiter? What’ll it be, surf or still water?
“A lemonade for mine,” Bunch said.
“All right, if you’re afraid of the surf so am I—bring me the same! Yes; you know Uncle Peter used to be a money-coaxer here in the Street.
“He was one of those old guys with the mucilage on the hands—couldn’t drag the money away from him without tearing it.
“Finally he got so rich that he used to trip and fall over the day’s winnings when he tried to lock up shop in the evening. He then decided to build a fort around his rake-off, so he
grabbed his lid, shook a day-day to the Street, and dipped for the woods.”
“No doubt your family history is highly diverting when heard for the first time,” Bunch put in, “but it turns sour on the twenty-second repeat. Let’s have sixteen bars rest on this Uncle Peter gag. I know he’s the man who invented money and then sat down on his invention, but why tease ourselves by walking around the mint when the gates are all locked?”
“Bunch, you give me a pain in the waist!” I got back; “ever since you fell in love with Alice Gray you’ve done nothing but stand around and throw the hammer at Uncle Peter. The fact that Alice’s Uncle William Gray and Peter Grant are ancient enimies doesn’t give you the right to jab the harpoon into my uncle. What are you trying to do, cook up one of those Kentucky feuds just to make good with the girl?”
Bunch laughed uneasily, and said, “Nix on the feud thing, but you must remember, John, that Uncle William Gray used to do a few stunts in Wall Street himself before he crawled away into high grass to cool off. Peter Grant wasn’t the only cuckoo on the curb in those days!”
“Why, Uncle Peter put it all over oldBill Gray whenever they bumped,” I yelled. “Every time they clinched Uncle Peter used to push Bill Gray under the safe and hit him with the combination.
“Old Bill Gray is only an imitation financier. He’s nothing but a piker. Whenever he lost two dollars he made the office boy jab the hypodermic needle into his shoulder in order to
put strength enough in his arm to pay up.
“I’m wise to that old jojo. Every time he won eight dollars he used to run out in the street and faint there so as not to wear out his office floor. Don’t unveil any Bill Gray statues near me, Bunch, or I’ll get critical.”
Bunch was hot about the collar just about then, so I called for another dish of ice and we bit into it.
Presently Bunch caught a cool and inquired, “What stock are you trailing?”
“D. Q. & N.,” I said, “and it’s the goods. I climbed in at 95 and to-day it’s 104. It’s a moral that it goes to 10 before it hits the ceiling. Why don’t you cut off a slice?”
“Not me,” Bunch said; “I’ve been tipped to a sag.”
” Sag nothing,” I chirped; ” everything is on the airship. It’s a case of balloon on the Bourse, my boy, so come on up the ladder. D. Q. & N. goes up to 10 without a single sidestep.
“Why, Bunch, I’ve picked out the spot where I’ll build a tunnel from here to Hartford, Conn., as soon as D. Q. & N. hits the rafters. That’s the latest pizaro, my friend. All we millionaires begin to build tunnels when our wealth gets cumbersome. Come on, Beau, get in on D. Q. & N., and join the tunnel push, won’t you?”
Prof
November 13th, 2012
11:31 am
@ Dr. Monica Henson. Since posting last night at 10:01, I’ve done a bit of checking with the AAUP (American Assocation of University Professors, an organization recognized by courts to represent professors of private and public universities, and in existence since around 1910), specifically their policies on academic freedom. For this issue really involves the academic freedom of the students to hear the views of Ann Coulter on campus.
One could argue that this would be educational for them, in a negative as well as positive way. And “academic freedom” for both students and faculty within an educational setting has been legally recognized in Supreme Court decisions since the post-McCarthy era.
HOWEVER private schools are exempt from these considerations. Private school policies should cover these issues, but don’t have to. The First Amendment restricts the rights of public institutions to regulate expression, but Fordham is a private University.
Which is a long way of saying that Fordham does have the right to deny a platform to Ann Coulter (and to deny her if she wished to stand on campus and shout her message), as you wish in your 9:43 pm post, but only because it’s a private school.
Truth in Moderation/proudly under the care of Digressive Humanist
November 13th, 2012
1:26 pm
Wow, Digressive Humanist, you give out your services for free?
Please post your phone number so other Get Schoolers can take advantage of your humanitarian aid!
I’ll be happy to do a blog testimonial and give you ALL the credit for my sane posts! And of course, we only have your WORD, that you are a member of that illustrious group. The content of your posts suggest otherwise.
Dr. Monica Henson
November 13th, 2012
1:34 pm
Prof, you raise very good points. It’s not her extreme right-wing ideas in general that makes her repugnant and triggers my instinct that this isn’t censorship, but rather the offense to basic human decency of her name-calling. It’s also a matter of the civil right of citizens who fall into the “retard” and “faggot” categories that she places her fellow humans not to be subjected to this kind of talk at public expense, regardless of whether she can sell books on the free market, which I don’t oppose.
I understand the argument of those who complain that it’s censorship or restriction of academic freedom. I still posit that human decency demands that the Ann Coulters of the world not be provided tax-subsidized platforms for their vile campaigns of shock.
Incidentally, I’d raise the same objections to Bill Maher if Fordham’s College Democrats were wanting to bring him on campus to speak.
Truth in Moderation/proudly under the care of Digressive Humanist
November 13th, 2012
1:42 pm
@Prof
So Fordham is the equivalent of an Amendment 1 charter school? Someone had already quoted how much Federal funding they receive. Our tax dollars, but no Constitutional free speech, eh? Nice.
Prof
November 13th, 2012
2:51 pm
@ Truth, etc. Certainly the age of the speakers involved is relevant, i.e., are they minors or not? For schools can legally regulate the speech of their minor students. Of course, University students are adults for they are 18 or older. K-12 Charter School students are not.
I found this online, from the First Amendment Center at Vanderbilt University:
“Do individuals have First Amendment rights on others’ private property? Generally no. The Bill of Rights provides protection for individual liberty from actions by government officials. This is called the state-action doctrine. Private property is not government-owned. Restrictions on individuals’ free-speech rights on private property do not involve state action.”
Just think of the recent brouhaha involving Shorter University and its faculty………..
Prof
November 13th, 2012
3:01 pm
@ Dr. Monica Henson. It also occurs to me that, according to the information you’ve given in earlier posts about your immediate experience with mentally challenged children, then Ann Coulter’s use of words such as “retard” could be considered “fighting words” which the First Amendment expressly states are not covered free speech.
Dr. Monica Henson
November 13th, 2012
3:31 pm
@Prof: “fighting words” is exactly what Ann Coulter tosses about with abandon. Rather than engaging people like her in a public debate, I’d much rather see some good old-fashioned country justice administered. Nothing like a good a**-whoopin’ to take care of adult bullies who ought to know better.
jack castoonguay
November 13th, 2012
6:49 pm
Of interest, Anne Coulter called out both Pedophilia and the lack of leadership in the Catholic Church during a time of predatorship of children. I dont recall Fr Mcshane ever writing or speaking on the subject. Instead he and the Bishops and Cardinals protected the worst of the worst and moved predators to another Diocease so they could repeat offend. Now Anne Coulter comes with a new message that progressivism and runaway entitlements are creating serious financial deficits that could bring our country to ruin. Are not College students adult and there to learn both sides of the arguement. Hypocrisy comes to mind.The Jesuits ran the inquisition in Spain and Fr Mcshane and Fordham will now lead the next round,, Why not invite a real bomb thrower in like Al Sharpton. I am sure he can tell Fordham students about the serious ideological differences. Young Republicans get some guts.
Truth in Moderation
November 13th, 2012
9:12 pm
“Nothing like a good a**-whoopin’ to take care of adult bullies who ought to know better.”
@Dr. Henson
Did you actually write this? You have a Ph.D. and you have to use ” ** ” in your hyphenated word BECAUSE YOU DIDN’T KNOW HOW TO SPELL IT?????????
Dr. Monica Henson
November 14th, 2012
12:34 am
Truth, do you not understand the convention of using asterisks to substitute for letters so as not to use profanity in a blog post?
Truth in Moderation
November 14th, 2012
12:55 am
Dr. Henson,
You publicly admit your intent to publish profanity?
I had given you the benefit of the doubt, thinking that surely, someone had hijacked your monicker!
Truth in Moderation
November 14th, 2012
1:07 am
And Dr. Henson, whatever you do, DON’T visit the Pretend City Children’s Museum, in Irvine California! I’m sure you would demand that their funding be pulled IMMEDIATELY.
http://www.dailytitan.com/2010/09/hindu-swastika-to-be-rehung-at-children’s-museum/
Private Citizen
November 14th, 2012
5:25 am
nice, jack progressivism and runaway entitlements are creating serious financial deficits that could bring our country to ruin.
This, in the only country in the modern world that does not distribution of healthcare for citizens? Boy, you got the gallon version of Koolaid, didn’t you?
Let me dial up an introductory sentence from the health care policy in Austria, just to give you an example of something besides your high-minded denial of services to working citizens.
“Austria has had a health care system based on solidarity for a long time. It ensures high-quality medical care for all citizens, independent of their social status or income. Building such a health
care system has not been easy: it is the result of a long, hard road; many people have fought for it. We should never forget this when we talk about our health care system, which is often praised at international level.”
My brother once told me not to teach a pig to tell time because the pig gets upset.
Private Citizen
November 14th, 2012
5:32 am
Truth in Moderation, you are being tacky and inappropriate. I, for one, wish more people could say what they really wanted to say. Let me think of the people who curse like sailors. Well, not many. But I like it. A lot. I like language. And I like expression. And I guess I was raised with some training that there is only one who judges and that one is not me, lest I risk being caught in hellfire and damnation. Any literate person knows the many legitimate uses of expressive language. If you’re provincial and want other people to talk like in church on Sunday, you have lots and lots of company here in the state of Georgia, where we like to make the rules and use the stuff that the rest of the world makes. There’s no censorship like self censorship.
Private Citizen
November 14th, 2012
5:37 am
Truth in Moderation, whatever the heck that means, I think you should hang out with some Hindus before you start using them as props.
Private Citizen
November 14th, 2012
6:19 am
Truth in Moderation, You’re an omnishambles. Truly.
Truth in Moderation
November 14th, 2012
7:26 am
@P.C.
Dr. Henson said:
” I am into restriction of the ability of publicly supported institutions giving a platform to Nazis, the Klan, Ann Coulter, et al. And they’re all part and parcel.”
Hence, my comment.
Truth in Moderation
November 14th, 2012
7:45 am
@PC
“Let me think of the people who curse like sailors. Well, not many. But I like it. A lot. I like language. And I like expression.”
So, I take it you are an Ann Coulter fan, yes?
Private Citizen
November 14th, 2012
12:41 pm
TiM, for being such a sharpie, you sure do throw a lot of things in a pillow case together. Most people I know who curse like sailors will tell you building 7 fell out of the air due to demolition charges. Coulter will tell you the evil Arabs make a camp fire made the building fall down. Among her wares, she is a propagandist and issued the identical message and used a similar technique as many in certain media collective have been well paid to do. About the only thing that differentiates her work is the marketing aspect that she is eight feet tall and has long blond hair. Maybe it is a good topic for a paper with references, why this lady is a propagandist and not a scholar or idealogue. In my opinion, the truth of what is going on is that anything she has to say is so completely far from what is going on, it is just not relevant. This is propaganda technique to occupy and whip up the public in a fervor over errata. You might look at it a little closer. Now to give a perspective example, where my head is at in Lyotard’s observation that the enlightenment era is ending. He doesn’t tell what is next. He’s like an astrophysicist when it comes to social perspective. Truth, you need to fill your head with real stuff. Not trying to be pesky, or anything, trying to be your advocate. It’s kind of like once you eat real food, you know what it is.
Private Citizen
November 14th, 2012
12:43 pm
You shall know them by their works.
Private Citizen
November 14th, 2012
4:47 pm
to continue, Coulter is allied with those who name things backwards. Well, maybe the best example is that Georgia is a “right to work” state, which is voiced as if it is giving workers power. Georgia is a “work is powerless” “right to fire any reason, fairness not a part of it” state. Same type thing with “People for Clean Rivers” which then lobbies to remove environment laws and is funded by industrial polluters. There are many of these type PAC and public groups. Coulter is pals with the lot of them. Surely there is a list somewhere of these type reverse-naming organizations, as if the organizers are mocking both truth and public. The term “SLO” comes to mind as the name of the testing used for elementary schools. I mean, that is just horrific. And the testing company is making coin from it.
Lexi
November 14th, 2012
5:26 pm
I can’t wait for the outrage and protest of this:http://www.accessatlanta.com/ap/ap/entertainment/rapper-activist-to-host-lecture-at-uga/nS6BF/
Rapper
“Perhaps best known for his role in the hip hop group Public Enemy, rapper Chuck D is set to deliver a lecture later this month at the University of Georgia titled “Rap, Race and Reality.
The event, scheduled for Nov. 27, is sponsored by the university’s student union and will be held in the Grand Hall of the Tate Student Center.”
It should go without saying that the event is paid for with student activities and is “free” to students.