
Students were among the 800 to 900 people who attended a meeting with Erroll Davis at North Atlanta High on Tuesday night. (AJC/Johnny Crawford)
In his explanation last night to about 900 parent and students at North Atlanta High on why he gutted the school’s leadership team in a blitzkrieg Friday, APS school chief Erroll Davis cited the school’s performance.
Among his comments:
“My view is this school needs to be a lot more than it is presently.”
“Performance data for this schools says it has to improve and improve quickly.”
“From 2007 to 2011, this school did not make AYP. Now, it is an Needs Improvement school, which means under some level of state monitoring.” (Here is the link to the North Atlanta High state report card.)
“The graduation rate is higher than system average. It is at 62 percent, seventh from the bottom at APS. This is not what I want for APS. This is not where we need to be. It means we are failing four out of every 10 of our children.”
Davis was unflappable and polite under tough circumstances. Many people in the audience supported the deposed principal Mark MyGrant, evidenced by the deafening standing ovation MyGrant received when he suddenly appeared and walked through the crowded gym.
Davis took about 60 questions, some of which included sharp criticisms. And he made a good argument that North Atlanta High was not performing up to its potential in its graduation rate.
But then Davis offered a less convincing argument for the purge at North Atlanta High when he cited Adequate Yearly Progress, a measure used under No Child Left Behind to rate schools.
I took two hours this morning to examine that claim.
As of this year, Georgia is no longer bound by AYP. Georgia was among the states that contended AYP was unfair as a school could fail on the performance of only a small number of students. Now, standardized test scores still will count in schools’ annual evaluations, but will carry far less weight as Georgia transitions to a system that will measure students’ readiness to attend college or begin a career after high school.
New designations — Priority schools, Focus schools and Reward schools — replace the “needs improvement” label that state school chief John Barge described as unclear and unhelpful.
The performance of Focus schools is slightly stronger than those on the Priority schools. Priority schools are the lowest-performing 5 percent of public schools in the state; Focus schools represent the 10 percent of schools just above them. The reward designation goes to high-achieving schools.
The state released its list of Priority and Focus schools in March.
North Atlanta was not on either list, although there are plenty of Atlanta high schools on the priority list. (See below where I list them.) The reward list has not yet been released by DOE and is expected soon.
Despite Davis’ emphasis last night on AYP, he hired a new principal for North Atlanta from a school that also did not make AYP.
Gene Taylor is coming to North Atlanta High School from Lilburn Middle School, where he has been principal since 2008.
According to the state 2010-2011 Report Card, Lilburn Middle School did not make AYP in 2010-2011 for academic performance. It was among the 20 percent of Gwinnett schools that missed making AYP, which, in part, stemmed from the escalating standards built into the No Child law
And Lilburn Middle is also on the state’s Focus list this year.
But AYP doesn’t tell the whole story of Lilburn Middle, a 93 percent minority school where 92 percent of students qualify for free and reduced lunches. The system-wide average in Gwinnett for free and reduced lunch is only 52 percent.
When you look at Lilburn’s CRCT performance, you see steady improvement, especially in reading. In fact, 68 percent of eighth graders at the school met the standard for reading and 26 percent exceeded, a remarkable accomplishment for a school where 22 percent of students have limited English proficiency, according to the state report card. The school achieved Title I distinguished School Status in 2009 and 2010.
But neither does AYP tell the whole story of North Atlanta, which exceeds the APS district-wide average on many measures and is, in fact, showing progress.
According to the state report card, 84.7 percent of its students are “Meeting and Exceeding Standards.”
From the report card:
Georgia High School Writing Test: 96.53 Percent Meeting and Exceeding Standard
11th Grade – GHSGT English Language Arts 89.13 Percent Meeting and Exceeding Standard
11th Grade – GHSGT Science 88.13 Percent Meeting and Exceeding Standard
11th Grade – GHSGT Social Studies 83.09 Percent Meeting and Exceeding Standard
To be clear, Gene Taylor has done remarkable work at Lilburn and North Atlanta ought to be thrilled to get him.
But it still isn’t clear why Davis thought that he had to yank the administrative team out of North Atlanta considering that Atlanta has 14 schools on the state’s Priority list and most are high schools. (Here is the AJC story announcing the priority schools.)
Atlanta Public Schools on Priority List:
–From Maureen Downey, for the AJC Get Schooled blog
139 comments Add your comment
Sandy Springs Parent
October 10th, 2012
11:15 am
Its all about Football, North Atlanta sucks at Football! lol
bootney farnsworth
October 10th, 2012
11:21 am
don’t look behind the curtain at the mighty and powerful Oz.
convinced by Erroll? not a chance.
DW
October 10th, 2012
11:21 am
I’m fine with the explanation. This article brings up some good points. Granted, the timing and the way things were handled may not have been the best, but academic performance needs to be addressed. Apparently, the old administration wasn’t addressing it. Dr. Taylor seems to be the man to address the lagging academic performance.
Chicagojeff
October 10th, 2012
11:38 am
My first question is will the new principal support the continuation of the IB program? Also.. this doesn’t seem to be the format to assist Dr Taylor in getting the support of the students and parents. Mostly, it seems that the Superintendent meant to send a message to the North Atlanta school area about who will be calling the shots in the future.
My 2 cents
October 10th, 2012
11:39 am
I still theing the manner in which the professional educators at NAHS have been treated is wrong. Also, I find it interesting that, according to his comments last night, Davis has different standards for various APS high schools, seemingly based upon neighborhood SES. However, teachers are held to the same standards for ALL students! Just saying.
Bob
October 10th, 2012
11:48 am
Davis lied about AYP, plain and simple.
KB
October 10th, 2012
11:50 am
According to an AJC article posted last night, “MyGrant said the removal dealt with charges of racism against two staff members he hired last year. He delivered 25 pages of documents to the central office Tuesday that he said would exonerate him and the other administrators.”
These documents are at the heart of the matter. Can the AJC request copies of them under an Open Records request?
Atlanta Mom
October 10th, 2012
11:52 am
I fail to understand why NAHS is not on the focus list because of its Hispanic population. Under AYP they were not a subgroup because there were only 37. But I thought smaller populations were looked at for “focus schools”–thus Grady passed AYP but was a focus school because of SWD. Seems like this should be the case for NAHS as well.
Sandy Springs Parent
October 10th, 2012
11:53 am
North Atlanta would be the same quality as 80% of Private Schools if the zoned requirements were adhered to. The Free and Reduced lunch would be well below 20% as well, with just a few students from apartments off Roswell Rd., Peachtree Rd, in Garden Hills, and Underwood Hills, off Defoors, and Collier Rd.
The real Demographics would be about 65% white, 25% hispanic, 2% Asian and 3% Black or something pretty close. If there was not busing to a so called Magnet and all the line jumpers. look at what the Real Demographics of the area are. look at what the Tax Records of the area are. Then you would see how low the free lunches should be.
Dunwoody Mom
October 10th, 2012
12:03 pm
City of Atlanta schools did not make AYP – is. Mr. Davis going to escort himself out?
Beverly Fraud
October 10th, 2012
12:10 pm
“Granted, the timing and the way things were handled may not have been the best…
Other than THAT how was the play Mrs. Lincoln?
One gigantic RED HERRING after another, the logic inconsistencies COMPLETELY exposed.
Three words AJC: Open Records Request.
Dr. John Trotter
October 10th, 2012
12:13 pm
Educationese. Ole Erroll’s got it down pat already. Speaks like a real educrat pro. Gobbledegook, gobbledegook. Blah, blah, blah. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. It’s not where it ought to be… It’s not meeting all the needs… It’s not age appropriate… It’s not best practices… It’s not measuring up to the benchmarks… Blah, blah, blah… Damn if the community and students were happy with how it was! It’s not where we were looking to be…
Translation: I made a huge crapola of a decision. It was stupid. Now I will try to cover it up with some Educational Goo, Goo, Gah, Gah.
Do APS administrators just keep learning dumber or what? Sorry, Erroll, but it seems that you are acting like you have been caught in the Stockholm Syndrome. Did I get that right? Ha! Someone will eagerly correct me, if I didn’t.
Beverly Fraud
October 10th, 2012
12:17 pm
What are the odds someone in security got totally BLASTED today for letting MyGrant in the building?
Bobby
October 10th, 2012
12:24 pm
What is failing is Superintendent Davis and APS. Things are just the same now as they were under Beverly Hall. Just window dressing on the part of Davis. He is as unprofessional as Hall, and as devious in his dealings with the public.
lahopital
October 10th, 2012
12:24 pm
OK, so was the school in danger of being “taken over” by the state, or was that another CYA excuse?This really sounds like a power play by someone. The guy was only going to be there another few weeks, so why go through all this drama about getting rid of him. This is beginning to look like one of those cases where, like with Nixon, the cover up is as bad as the act.
Beverly Fraud
October 10th, 2012
12:26 pm
Erroll OBVIOUSLY didn’t learn from Drew; what does he think is going to happen to his precious AYP when these economically and politically empowered folks make an end run around APS and get the state to approve their own charter school?
RJ
October 10th, 2012
12:33 pm
@Sandy Springs Parent, that school hasn’t looked like what you’re talking about since the 60’s. As a graduate of Northside High School, I can tell you that this was once one of the best schools, if not the best, in APS. Busing is not the issue. We had one of the best performing arts program in the country. Students were bused from all over the city of Atlanta to participate in our magnet program. We were featured on 20/20 with Barbara Walters, worked with dancers from the movie “Fame”, performed “A Chorus Line” at the Fox Theater. We were the “Coke is It” kids, traveled to Europe and sang in the cathedrals in Brussels. We were diverse. We got along. We were some of the best that Atlanta had to offer. Many of my classmates are now professionals. We had to maintain our grades or we were dismissed from the program. Fighting got you sent back too, although we rarely ever saw a fight. I’m not sure what magnet program they have, but the performing arts magent is at Carver. It’s dismal compared to what I was a part of. Reginald Colbert was a band teacher at one time. Awesome instructor. I truly hope they can get it together and improve the situation there. It saddens me and my classmates.
Emily
October 10th, 2012
12:33 pm
Is a school a community of parents, students and educators working together for a common goal or is it a factory with managers, workers and a product? It seems Dr. Davis sees North Atlanta as a factory and he is the owner.
I wonder how he sees the other failing schools in his charge?
Frustrated Taxpayer
October 10th, 2012
12:39 pm
What a mess. Too bad frustrated taxpayers cannot do the same thing as Mr. Davis and clean out APS’ central office.
APS high schools have had problems for years. It’s certainly noble for Mr. Davis to demand better results, but his approach needs work. How about demanding it first, measuring, then acting?
NAHS administrators could have been dismissed in a more professional manner and parents deserved more information. Don’t blame parents for being involved and don’t treat a district like a Fortune 5000 company.
Twelve principals accused of cheating got much better treatment — and many later confessed.
If NAHS is seventh from the bottom of the district’s graduation list, I cannot wait to see what happens to administrators at the lower six high schools. They be shown the door, too. Right?
Mentionit
October 10th, 2012
12:43 pm
Hostile Black Take-Over is the answer to the Questions. APS doesn’t this NAHS is BLACK ENOUGH!! Davis stood up and lied, lied, lied durng that meeting. It was shocking.
APS parent
October 10th, 2012
12:48 pm
All of this a power play by Erroll Davis. since he has come into office all of these ridiculous changes he is making are absurb. He has no clue as to what he is going. Where the heck did he come from any way? Really send him back. And they say respect him. He does not respect the main stakeholders, which are the students and the parents.
@Sandy Spring Parents no disrespect, but your last comment about the demographics seems so racist. It shouldn’t matter where you live to determine if you are a high performer or not. You have some top leaders that came from low income/free/reduced lunches. So for you to say jumping the line…you need to jump the line!!!!
Entitlement Society
October 10th, 2012
12:50 pm
The median property tax paid in the state of Georgia is $1,346. http://www.tax-rates.org/propertytax.php?state=georgia I’d like to know where in Buckhead I can find a property and pay $1,346 in property tax. The average SAT score is Georgia is 1452. At North Atlanta, the average SAT score is 1426 – BELOW the state of Georgia average! So, for a district, this rich with resources and tax base, it is appalling that North Atlanta lags the state. Then examine graduation rates. North Atlanta reports only a 60% graduation rate. Pathetic. State graduation rates apparently are up for debates when it comes down to the calculation. Some reports list them as high as 80%, while other say the number should be adjusted down to 67%. Adjusted or not, once again, North Atlanta fails to make the grade. Current and former students and parents may be in love with this MyGrant guy and his cohorts, but as a taxpayer and parent of children in the district, those stats don’t hold water with me. Then you read through this blog reading reports of how students sold pot brownies at school, how these beloved administrators were always there to help break up a fight, etc. Not exactly the atmosphere conducive to learning. No wonder the scores and graduation rates are what they are. Look at the demographic numbers (from Maureen’s link) of 9th graders versus 10th graders – over a 30% decline? Where do these kids go? Are they drop outs? Or do they seek a better education elsewhere? Perhaps Davis isn’t only worried about the current student body. Perhaps he’s looking at the population in general. All people are entitled to a quality public education and this school isn’t delivering it. Private school parents aren’t thrilled about forking over the equivalent of a new car in tuition each year to avoid this APS trainwreck. Perhaps he’s finally getting the message that those in Atlanta paying the lion’s share of property taxes want a quality high school option for their children.
Mentionit
October 10th, 2012
12:52 pm
@”NAHS MOM” –You should know by now that nobody likes you. Your pleas for the plentiful “minorities” during are annoying and idiotic, so don’t pick on Mygrant.
Leelee
October 10th, 2012
1:02 pm
So does Mr. Davis plan on removing the administration from the other lacking in performance APS High Schools? Come on…what about Crim, Therrel, Douglas? Is the State attempting to take over other High, Middle, and/or Elementary Schools in Atlanta?
Joe
October 10th, 2012
1:05 pm
I feel very sorry for the parents kids of NA. But there is a solution. Private School. Give up the big house & $50,000 car and you can afford it.
Bobo
October 10th, 2012
1:08 pm
This is typical ‘Administrator Speak’. We all know that test scores are a SMALL indicator of what makes a good school. There is character building, critical thinking ability, bonding to others and interaction with adults, development of career interests, extracurricular pursuits, and just basic good old-fashioned teaching that ALL go into whether or not a school is a good school. Much of that responsiblity is on the kids and wait for it…..PARENTS. Expecting a school to solve all of society’s ills is like thinking Obama is somehow going to tax us out of our problems.
Unfortunately, we are in a day and age where the Peter Principle is completely out-of-control. Popularity and narcissism trump competence every time. As a veteran educator who espouses ‘old school’ values, while updating my teacher to modern technology and advances, I can tell parents that it is a scary landscape in education right now. Very few honest teachers will tell you that they admire their principal or think that they landed the job solely because of their ability and merits. Most of the time, it’s based on who they play golf with, who they know on the school board, or because of extreme good looks or charm.
Most school administrators (and I say MOST) are simply the most adept POLITICIANS among their teaching peer groups. They are willing to compromise teaching preparation to play the political game in getting to the top. They schmooze the right community members, say the right things, and blindly follow the latest political fads to get their 6 figure positions. They ONLY take a stand when it is politically expedient to do so and usually not when it is the right thing to do. Most school administrators (and there ARE obvious exceptions before someone crucifies me) are phony people who can’t think for themselves (or lack the courage to do so) and were not among the best teachers in their professions. I’ve seen more than a few football coaches who taught P.E. suddenly given the task of telling veteran teachers how to do their jobs while collecting a salary in excess of $100,000 per year. Most of them lack statistical ability, mathematical skills, financial management skills, and any real grasp of what it’s like to teach. In short, school administrators are just another extension of TODAY’S POLITICIANS. As long as we live in a society where leadership is determined by popularity and sound-bytes and not competence, then kids will always lose. Again, there ARE exceptions and some of the best people I’ve ever known FIT this exception. However, those people are rare. I’d say that more than 70% of school administrators aren’t truly there for the kids anymore.
Maureen Downey
October 10th, 2012
1:11 pm
@Entitlement: The problem with grad rates in Georgia is that we actually never had accurate information because a student tracking system was not in place.
Now, we have a system and we should get more reliable numbers.
What Kathy Cox and John Barge and both Perdue and Deal always said is that we ought to look at trends — no matter what the rates are, are they rising?
From one parent this morning on that question:
Bobo
October 10th, 2012
1:13 pm
At the risk of stirring up an even bigger firestorm….let me add that the SYSTEM encourages this wholeheartedly and WANTS to control teachers who might try to change the system.
No one really thinks that teacher education departments and professional development are valuable do they? Any HONEST veteran teacher will tell you that more than 80% of professional development courses and education courses are either politically-oriented mantras and left-wing ideology or they are a complete waste of time. There is BIG $$$$ in teacher education and even BIGGER $$$$ in going around giving professional development seminars. Our last speaker was paid more than $30,000 for a 6 day seminar over a book that I could have read, comprehended, and applied in about 5 hours. This is the kind of taxpayer waste going on in education day-in day-out in every system. At the end of the day, this allows administration to show how well their teachers are ‘prepared’ and coached.
Atlanta Mom
October 10th, 2012
1:13 pm
I withdraw my question about NAHS not being a focus school. Upon further research, Grady is a focus school because of graduation rates (SWD don’t graduate at a high enough rate). Hispanic students at NAHS do.
Bobo
October 10th, 2012
1:14 pm
Maureen, you’re liberal and I’m conservative, but even you have to see the shell game being played in education don’t you? This whole situation in North Atlanta is a great example of the ’sell job’ that has come to represent education. We all know that North Atlanta is probably no worse off than any other run-of-the-mill high school with the problems that we all have. However, finding a scapegoat is the way you get elected and retain positions in education.
Maureen Downey
October 10th, 2012
1:16 pm
@Atlanta, I was in the midst of scanning my archived emails because I had asked DOE back in March why Grady was on the focus list based on a poster’s question. But I recalled graduation was the issue so I am glad that you found your answer.
Maureen
Maureen Downey
October 10th, 2012
1:19 pm
@Bobo, Still not sure why North Atlanta unfolded as it did as it seems unnecessary and a diversion from what APS needs to be doing.
But it would not surprise me that politics played some role in this, although I believe Davis wants the school to be better and thinks it can be.
Maureen
Charles
October 10th, 2012
1:24 pm
Mark MyGrant did a fantastic job of turning around Sutton MS and making it a viable choice for middle school. He was moved to try and do something about North Atlanta and spent countless evenings meeting with parent groups to encourage them to stay with public education. Some were convinced and made that commitment — many,many more were not willing to experiment with the four extremely important years that prepare a student for higher education. North Atlanta did an excellent job but preformance was segmented based on preperation and dedication among different students. Don’t bash MyGrant unless you know what a fantastic job he did as a turn around principal. He did an excellent job sending NAHS students to a wide range of uinversities with assistance through their collective hard work. He was not uinversally sucessful but that is the nature of that community where individual student commitment varied widely. All one has to do is look at the circumstances to smell something very wrong. Mark came out of retirement as an interim – he was scheduled to turn over the system as a transition manager in anyway. Why not let that happen unless there was a serious breach? APS is a failing system where a very few schools are holding up the already poor averages. We did extensive due diligence on North Atlanta but decided to go private for upper school but Mark MyGrant was the main reason it was even viable option (we stayed with Sutton mainly due to his great work there). The success of these North Atlanta schools rests more on their independence from APS intervention than any support they receive. If I had to put my money behind Mark MyGrant or APS leadership – having extensive experience wtih both – there is no contest – APS is self serving and power mad while Mark made a huge difference in two of the systems best performing schools in their grade levels – Beverly Hall may be gone but obviously her spirit at Central Offices lives on for double dealing. I hope the truth comes out and Mark MyGrant is not the one with something to fear from that process.
Point/Counterpoint
October 10th, 2012
1:28 pm
@Bobo, I have to say they some of the very best pricipals and superintendents I’ve worked with are former coaches. You may not respect their subject area (PE), but I have found them to be fair and adept at realizing people’s strengths and building on those or offering assistance with weaknesses, really great team builders.
On a completely different note, what was the purpose of MyGrant strolling in, waving to the crowd and retreating?
And lastly, a political comment…most on here are concerned that this administrative move was made like a private business and do not like it. Not trying to find out who supports democrats and who supports republicans, but the republicans have not made a secret of their education policy to turn public education over to private industry.
CB
October 10th, 2012
1:31 pm
@ Entitlement Society – I would estimate that about 25% of the students that attend North Atlanta are from Buckhead. The latest figures show that NAHS is 52% free and reduced lunch. Therefore, there are plenty of students that attend the school (which encompasses a lot more than just Buckhead) whose families pay less than $1,346 per year in property taxes.
Not saying that the school does not have room for improvement, but the school does pull from wide socio-economic groups. These same students who cannot graduate from North Atlanta High would probably have a difficult time graduating from the elite private schools in Atlanta. Would that scenario make these private schools bad schools as well? Of course that is a hypothetical that will never happen in real life because as you correctly mention, private school tuition in Atlanta is the equivalent of buying a brand new car (a luxury one if you have more than one child) every year.
teacher
October 10th, 2012
1:46 pm
The reason why Grady and North Atlanta are the best schools in APS is because of the parents and the community…NOT because of Central Office staff or superintendent.
The parents and the community of North Atlanta now have to make some tough choices:
(1)Roll over and accept what has been done by Errol
(2) Fight with the help of lawyers and the strong Buckhead business coalition and to force APS to retract its actions
(3) Give up the fight and let NAHS become another APS school like Mays and Douglass and move out of the district and let APS wither in the vines.
woodrow
October 10th, 2012
1:47 pm
You know how someone turns up the BS meter when they are cornered in a lie? Well that’s the impression I get from Erroll Davis. He is lying through his teeth. There is reverse-racism at the core of this issue.
Concernedmom30329
October 10th, 2012
1:50 pm
Maureen
What do you know about the new principal’s background? I know he is coming from Gwinnett. Is that the only system that he has served as an administrator for? I ask because Gwinnett schools are not known for being open to the intense parental involvement that a school like NA has. I do wonder if his hiring played some role in this?
Dana F. Blankenhorn
October 10th, 2012
1:52 pm
I think Beverly Fraud makes the key point here. Once the “charter school” amendment is passed, parents in Buckhead will be able to grab taxpayer dollars and fund a school only serving those kids, which would doubtless perform well. (It will be a publicly-funded all-white private academy.) This would dramatically reduce the amount of money available for kids on the south side.
I think Davis made a huge mistake here, in the timing of what he did. Maybe he thought that, based on absolute numbers (and the kids outside the magnet were NOT being educated), he could make a stand for excellence in education.
But it has backfired. When the Charter School amendment passes (and it will) public school leaders like Davis are going to be out of money, and the kids they claim to serve will be out of luck.
Southside Parent
October 10th, 2012
1:52 pm
@ Sandy Springs Parent: By your handle, I presume you do not reside in the NAHS zone or even the city of Atlanta, & primarily drive near NAHS on your route from to take your child to private school.
Why are you leading the charge in defending the NAHS fences? You are doing damage to a school community that isn’t yours. Several minority parents have observed throughout the reporting of this story that they feel hurt by your statements and (I believe wrongly) impute that your statements reflect the sentiments of white parents at NAHS. Yet you continue.
If you wish to speak descriptively of what NAHS is or should be, I suggest departing from your daily route from Sandy Springs to your child’s private school to tour the rest of the zone. Many of the students zoned to NAHS aren’t white, and some (of all colors incl white) are lower income. The real parents of the NAHS cluster fought hard in redistricting to keep all of these areas in NAHS.
Attentive Parent/Invisible Serfs Collar
October 10th, 2012
1:53 pm
Maureen-I was at a GPEE presentation in May where both an APS Deputy Super and officials from State (Martha) spoke. They were talking about how much better the new definitions of student achievement created via that NCLB waiver were going to make all the schools in APS and Georgia look. I do not think anyone has focused on those changes really. I wonder if Mygrant and staff were reluctant to embrace such a shift to the Full Personality/Competence/Affective focus.
RJ-What is going on now under the name Common Core is really a continuation of the 90s effort to change American education known as Outcomes Based Education. Except this time they funded the alternative measurements to show “progress” up front in that 2009 Stimulus bill- ARRA. Atlanta and Dekalb embraced the 90s changes that include Whole Language and the math wars enthusiastically. Probably because certain administrators embraced the political and economic Transformation that is never far away.
What is really at stake is a fight over whether the individual or the group is to have primacy. Related to that this is a battle over whether we will have free markets or a state directed economy. Always has been about that going back to the famous Eight Year Study in the 30s.
Common Core is designed to bring North Fulton, Cobb, and Cherokee into the tent with Dekalb and Atlanta. Probably should include Gwinnett as well although I do not think the Constructivism element has been as strong there as the others.
There are to be no beacons of academic learning in the metro area to be pointed to. And I am hearing from private school teachers that they are being pressured to move away from content to a more social and emotional learning approach. Seems to be a battle developing on what admins want vs what teachers think students need.
That’s what is happening.
Maureen-don’t you find it interesting that ATT has donated the Fox Theatre so Fulton and Avossa can have a fancy shindig to roll out their Five Year plan? Can you get a copy and post a link? Hope they invited you.
Bobo
October 10th, 2012
1:55 pm
Point/Counterpoint. I probably should’ve qualified my statements with saying that SOME coaches DO have those abilities, but most of those guys are plenty smart enough to surround themselves with people who know what they do not. I’ve also been an athletic coach, but not a P.E. teacher. I’ve been on a H.S. football coaching staff before, and I hate to say it….but more than 50% of head football coaches I’ve been around are EXTREMELY arrogant and self-assured to the point that they are blind to critcism because they have been put on a pedestal for so long. This is fine in football, because it’s the nature of the beast and most of them know what they are talking about. However, this DOESN’T play when they leave and go into academic arenas they know nothing about. In all fairness, with that said, I’m probably being too stereotypical. There are also plenty of bad educational ‘idealist’ academic principals. Bad comes in all flavors.
Entitlement Society
October 10th, 2012
1:56 pm
@CB – Yes, that’s my point. Maybe Davis is actually trying to serve the tax base of North Atlanta that feels like it can’t even use its neighborhood school (as my family feels). If North Atlanta has to open its doors to students from outside the district, fine with me as long as the overall quality of instruction and ultimate product does suffer. I thought the point of allowing these kids in was to give them a crack at an equal education. Obviously, it’s not working, if people are saying that these are the students dragging down the scores. Maureen even said yesterday in response to my post that NAHS has average SAT scores over 200 points lower than Riverwood that it wasn’t an accurate comparison because so many at NAHS are on free lunch and that equates to lower test scores. So according to Maureen, those coming from poverty can’t be expected to test well, as low test scores are correlated with socio-economics. If that’s the case, why allow these children in the district if they’re doomed to low achievement scores? A better school obviously isn’t helping them excel academically.
Chris Murphy
October 10th, 2012
1:58 pm
Those 80+% graduation figures for NAHS are far too high; those are the percent of seniors in March that graduate in May. The cohort figures- how many from a freshman class graduate four years later- are much better info. Even the enrollment figures for classes are better starting points:
http://app3.doe.k12.ga.us/ows-bin/owa/fte_pack_enrollgrade.entry_form
In Oct., ‘08, NAHS had 440 students in the freshman class of 2012. By March, ‘12, it had 188 left in the senior class. Where’s the 80%?
Maureen Downey
October 10th, 2012
2:01 pm
@Concerned:
http://www.buckheadview.com/2012/10/new-north-atlanta-high-principal-comes.html
Howard E. (Gene) Taylor is currently the principal at Lilburn Middle School and is expected to take over for current North Atlanta principal Mark MyGrant in November.
Before becoming principal of Lilburn Middle School, Taylor was the principal at Crews Middle School from 2006 to 2008 and the assistant principal for instruction at North Gwinnett High School from 2003 to 2006.
He has also taught high school World History and US Government and served as chair of both departments. He was an assistant professor in the College of Education at Georgia State University from 1998 to 2000.
Southside Parent
October 10th, 2012
2:06 pm
@CB re: your estimate that 25% of NAHS kids reside in the NAHS zone, by APS data released in redistricting, 81% of NAHS students (1,056 out of 1,300) residen in the NAHS zone. NAHS has been open for admin transfers for many years including the 2012-13 school year because it has additional room.
Doubtless, some of those kids registered as residing in the district are using a fake address. But if you look at the free/reduced lunch rates at the elementary school feeders, you will see that a substantial percent of students qualify for free/reduced lunch at Bolton, Garden Hills & E Rivers, & quite a few qualifying other places as well. The overall proportion of free/reduced increases as many affluent families opt out of public schools at the middle and high school levels.
Of the 244 kids transferring to NAHS, 24 are out of district – kids of APS teachers & other APS employees, many who work at NAHS. Do you contend teachers kids are ruining NAHS? 53 commute over from Douglas, & about 30 each from Grady, Mays, Washington, Jackson & Therrell. On an earlier article, a commenter referenced the “gangbangers” taking MARTA back to SW Atlanta. Truly, what gang takes members who are willing to take MARTA for 45-60 minutes daily to high school? That would be a terrific documentary.
Entitlement Society
October 10th, 2012
2:07 pm
@Chris Murphy – agreed. That must be the new math they’re teaching APS. Those stats really trouble me. Regardless of whether those children moved, etc, that’s an enormous drop in student population. Something isn’t right at North Atlanta if they lose over 250 students from freshman year to graduation. Dropouts? Unhappy with the school??
Attentive Parent/Invisible Serfs Collar
October 10th, 2012
2:07 pm
http://www.invisibleserfscollar.com/further-confirmation-of-the-planned-dominance-of-social-and-emotional-learning/ is a post I wrote months ago after the paper described that APS was using CASEL materials and training the teachers to use them in the classroom.
It is also consistent with an interesting comment I heard a state official say right after the state got that NCLB waiver. “Once we get the school climate right, student achievement falls right in place.”
I followed up asking if they were talking about the Positive School Climate materials issued by what used to be known as the Center for Social and Emotional Education. Now known as the School Climate Center, the answer was yes.
So APS may be actively pushing this as well as Fulton as Positive School Culture but this SEL focus is coming to schools and classrooms all over Georgia. And it is not pull out. It’s a daily focus. Drip. Drip. Drip.
Chris Murphy
October 10th, 2012
2:15 pm
@Southside Parent: for the 2011-12 year, NAHS was open for 10 (ten) new transfers. Supposedly.
Truth in Moderation
October 10th, 2012
2:25 pm
“The labels of Priority Schools, Focus Schools, Alert Schools and Reward Schools will replace the designations used in the federal No Child Left Behind initiative. President Barack Obama granted waivers for the federal mandates in February.
#The Focus Schools category is made up of educational facilities which have graduation rates of less than 60-percent over a two-year period and are not identified as priority schools.
#The department of education may also name a school to the list if large within-school gaps exist between the highest achieving subgroup and the lowest achieving subgroup. Subgroups can be determined by race, special needs and family income.
#Local schools named on the Focus list for less than a 60-percent graduation rate were Norcross, Berkmar and Central Gwinnett. Those listed as Focus Schools for within-school achievement gaps were Sweetwater Middle, Rosebud Elementary, Lilburn Middle and Summerour Middle.
#Sloan Roach, district spokesperson with GCPS, said the category of Focus Schools “is an apt description of these schools because while they have accomplished many good things to date, their focus continues to be on closing achievement gaps and helping all children reach their learning potential.”
http://www.gwinnettdailypost.com/news/2012/mar/20/seven-local-schools-on-states-focus-list/
The key statement:
“The department of education may also name a school to the list if large within-school achievement gaps exist between the highest achieving subgroup and the lowest achieving subgroup.”
This is how Lillburn middle is described, and would also fit North Atlanta, with students in its IB program being the high performers. This means that there is a good chance, in my opinion, that the IB program will be phased out/dropped so resources will be used on the bottom performers. The only focus on school achievement in this system is to “close the gap.” It is easier to achieve if the academic bar is lowered so ALL can jump over. THIS IS NOTHING BUT RECYCLED OBE COME HOME TO ROOST! If you have a high performing student at NAHS, I would get prepared to home school for 2012-2013. You have been overthrown.
Kathleen Burk
October 10th, 2012
2:29 pm
Today’s AJC article seemed to make the situation even worse. Did Davis really say, as reported on the front page, that if “we didn’t do anything here, the state would have seized this school and fired all the leadership in the process”? That is a ridiculous statement, especially given the demise of AYP and the omission of NAHS on the new lists of troubled schools. Rather than trying to counterbalance this egregiously false statement, the article seemed to present it as factual.
Nahs parent
October 10th, 2012
2:32 pm
@southside parent – thank you for your posts today. Feeder schools for NAHS are set.
@ Maureen – have you asked DOE why the Reward schools haven’t been released yet? Everything said we’d see them in September. I could be we wrong but aren’t all other lists announced and all schools must appear on one list. If NA isn’t on the other lists, shouldn’t it appear on the Reward list?
A curious delay in the announcement. Could Davis have friends at DOE who held it up?
Nahs parent
October 10th, 2012
2:33 pm
@ southside parent – meant to finish that we are happy with them just as you said.
Maureen Downey
October 10th, 2012
2:35 pm
@NAHs, DOE said in March that the list would not be released until late fall. I was expecting it next month. And I don’t think that a school has to be on one of the lists.
Maureen
Truth in Moderation
October 10th, 2012
2:38 pm
“The Focus Schools category is made up of educational facilities which have graduation rates of less than 60-percent over a two-year period and are not identified as priority schools.
#The department of education may also name a school to the list if large within-school gaps exist between the highest achieving subgroup and the lowest achieving subgroup. Subgroups can be determined by race, special needs and family income.”
North Atlanta has “large within-school achievement gaps”. This probably means good-bye to IB so resources can bring up the bottom. The focus will not be on improved education , but “closing the gap”. This is more easily achieved by an overall lowering of standards for the top performing students.
Get ready to home school for 2012-2013.
FYI
October 10th, 2012
2:40 pm
@ Southside Parent, 2:06 pm. “On an earlier article, a commenter referenced the “gangbangers” taking MARTA back to SW Atlanta.”
That was our resident “raciest” Sandy Springs Parent, whose self-righteous posts about the black and Hispanic “outsiders” invading white Sandy Springs demonstrate good reasons not to reside in that area, whether white or otherwise.
This person is enjoying stirring up this faraway racial pot in North Atlanta….”race-baiter,” I believe the term is.
teacher
October 10th, 2012
2:43 pm
@Kathleen Burk …Before you blame the AJC article for making a ridiculous statement, wish you had done your own research for validation.
This is the transcript of what Davis said yesterday taken from APS’s own http://www.talkupaps.com site
“2007-2011, 5 year period, this school did not make AYP. We are a NI4 school, under state monitoring and reporting. If you miss one more year, 6 years, you go to NI5 status. If we did nothing here and had the same performance this year as last and went to NI5, the state would have seized this school and fired all leadership in the process. The good thing is the state has given us an AYP waiver and the state will not take over this school.”
Kathleen Burk
October 10th, 2012
2:54 pm
Today’s AJC article was very misleading in that it did not include Davis’s second statement that the school was not in fact in danger of being taken over. Also, the subheadline of the article is “School was in danger of being taken over”.
Anyone reading the article but not all of these blogs would incorrectly assume that immediate action was needed to prevent a state takeover.
Beverly Fraud
October 10th, 2012
3:02 pm
@Dana: If the North Atlanta parents did take advantage of the amendment (if it passes) and get their own school, given the actions of Davis and APS can we really call the parents (and the company that provides the service) “the bad guys”?
Say what you want about the privateers, but is this not a logical consequence of the LACK of trust in the public schools; a lack of trust that has been RICHLY and FULLY earned as demonstrated in the last few days (and years!) by APS?
CB
October 10th, 2012
3:06 pm
@ Southside Parent – I do NOT contend that approximately 25% of NAHS kids reside in the NAHS zone. I contend that approximately 25% of NAHS kids reside in Buckhead, big difference.
I understand the transfer policy at North Atlanta and I understand the fact that North Atlanta’s school zone encompasses a greater area than just Buckhead.
I do not believe for a second that teacher’s kids are ruining NAHS. My point is that before a school is criticized for test scores make sure there is an apples to apples comparison. In other words, how does North Atlanta stack up against other high schools with a 52% free and reduced lunch rate? I am not so sure Superintendent Davis made this appropriate comparison before his critical remarks of North Atlanta. I also do not think he took into consideration the academic improvement that has been accomplished over the last three years at NAHS.
HS Public Teacher
October 10th, 2012
3:08 pm
As an “outsider” and looking in on this….
It is very odd that Davis made such a dramatic move when in only a few weeks a new Principal was going to be there anyway. Why did Davis take it upon himself to do this? Why didn’t he allow that new Principal to come in to the school and evaluate what needed to change.
If that new Principal THEN decided to move around his staff (assistant principals, etc.), then fine.
But, why did Davis do this only one month prior to the arrival of the new Principal.
That is what seems so very odd to me. It isn’t like that North Atlanta HS was “suddenly” a school that needed improvement. It has been like that for years (per Davis, himself).
Nahs parent
October 10th, 2012
3:15 pm
@ Maureen – I was basing that timing on the information on the DOE website, which was repeated elsewhere :
“Reward Schools – which will be determined based on math, reading and English language arts results – will replace the current Title I Distinguished Schools designation and will be announced in September 2012.”
But if a school can be unlisted it may not matter when the names are released.
Thanks.
HOC
October 10th, 2012
3:17 pm
@Bobo, you are right on…and politics have everything to do with it. Many administrators are not instructional leaders but former coaches and political teachers, ones who spend more time hanging in the offices and games chit chatting with other administrators, etc. They are certainly NOT the most talented teachers. The talented teachers are usually the ones who do not want to be bothered with the nonsense.
This case reeks of politics especially considering the manner in which this was done. The facts do not match up. Seems like a power play.
More importantly, let me say this… I am excited with the attention being given to the matter. Maybe, parents on the southside will take lessons and investigate the leadership being placed in their schools. In order for schools to work, the community has to be involved to pressure the school governance to work on their community’s behalf. Look at some of the other changes. Question your leadership appointments.
Nahs parent
October 10th, 2012
3:23 pm
@HS public teacher – I think Davis placed great emphasis on us not having a “normal environment” and what I took him to mean was that the very active/passionate parents, students, and community may have put pressure on Taylor to keep admin that he didn’t want. This way Davis takes the bullet for Taylor. There may have been some underlying tension between Davis/APS and MyGrant that made it an easier decision. And then there’s the investigation that may or may not be going on.
C Jae of EAV
October 10th, 2012
3:26 pm
Mr. Davis should be ashamed of the excuses he’s offered for his actions relative to NAHS and his statements made in defense of those actions which suggest he has lessor expectations and lessor concern for improving the overall level of performance across APS.
@Bob – I concur that Mr. Davis is distorting the AYP standing of NAHS to justify his actions.
@Beverly Fraud – I concur that an open records request is in order. I’m sure someone got ABSOLUTELY BLASTED for letting Mr. Myson in the building but considering it was an mtg open to the public if they tried to stop him it would have been an even worse situation.
@Dana F. Blankenhorn – The parents & faculty of NAHS with sufficient support vote to convert the school charter tommorrow and they don’t need the charter admendment to do it. Current law allows them that opportunity. Needless to say any attempt on their part to organize for that purpose, I’m sure would be met by STIFF OPPOSITION from the gang on Trinity Ave led by Mr. Davis!!
Jill
October 10th, 2012
3:35 pm
Sandy Springs Parent you are a racist!!
Kris
October 10th, 2012
3:37 pm
@ Beverly Fraud “12:17 pm What are the odds someone in security got totally BLASTED today for letting MyGrant in the building?”
If the guard was not fired on the spot, he/she will get a call to report to HR (in the davis administration term loosely used) he will be ask to surrender his Barny gun, Keys and will be fired with little or no reason. Then escorted by one of his/she former co-workers off campus..
Beware this is a smokescreen to cover up other shady deal’s coming our way.
Under qualified YES Girl/Man for the lottery, casino gambling in Gwinnett, last but not least the charter (line my pockets deal) school where control will be totally taken away from the parents and given to pencil neck bean counters to make profit…
Vote NO o the Charter school Scam.
Just Sayin
teacher
October 10th, 2012
3:39 pm
@nash parent ..when davis was asked to define what his definition of “normal” and “abnormal” was..he refused to do that.
Mygrant was supposed to stay just a few weeks more. Your logic is flawed on why Davis did this.
This is a coverup. The fact that they sent security to kick these people out and these people had no warning that this was going to happen can only lead to the conclusion..that this was damage control and to prevent the administration from taking any damaging evidence out of the building.
Say what you want…..hey maybe you will get your wish of a “normal” environment like Mays High and Douglass at NAHS in a few years !
Nahs parent
October 10th, 2012
3:44 pm
In not saying what is truth. I’m repeating what he said. When first mentioning that this was not a normal environment he referenced involvement and passion of parents. I’m also not saying I agree. I am actually one of the people he referred to. Thanks.
C Jae of EAV
October 10th, 2012
3:45 pm
Okay purhaps some one here can help me out. As I review the AYP report for NAHS, it seems they didnt make AYP because of Academic Performance. Specifically the performance of Black Students in math and Ecno Disadv (what the definition here) in Lang Arts.
Assuming the numbers look the same over the previous 3 years of data reported, it would appear that your trend is quite evident. Am I missing something in my interpetation of the data??
Truth in Moderation
October 10th, 2012
4:00 pm
@Attentive Parent/Invisible Serfs Collar
Your best post yet. Everything you said is true, but sadly, many on this blog are clueless as to what you are talking about. I spent 4 years in the ’90’s researching this and verifying it first hand. The only reason the OBE python has less of a grip on Gwinnett is because enough parents in the ’90’s did get it and threw OBE out, as well as the superintendent.
Too bad for NAHS. The only option for the achievers in that school will now be home school.
Private Citizen
October 10th, 2012
4:11 pm
okay… here goes…
1. The local TV news is reporting that the administrators were all fired. Therefore, this action is putting stigmata on people.
2. Someone needs to confront Mr. Davis about this management method of messing over a school in the middle of a school year. The graduating seniors who need referrals and such have suffered real and unnecessary damage. If I had a graduating student in this school I would be with my lawyer and put Mr. Davis in court and make him account for his actions that show unprofessional process and are way off the curve as expected management procedure. If there is a change in school management, it is to be done in the off season. The academic school year should have continuity. There is no emergency is place to justify this reckless action and people have suffered real damage. The perpetrators should be put in court and made to account for their actions without being able to so easily resort to these disembodied edu-speak that can literally be applied to any situation. It appears to me that a crime has been committed. If crime is not prosecuted, this sets an example where it will continue locally and also set precedent on state level that workers can be abused in this manner.
3. Is this recent action marketing for the charter school amendment?
4. This is an example of management caste doing harsh treatment of worker caste. Someone needs to stand up to it. No professional person will want to work in these circumstances. If this is allowed to persist, there will be brain-drain and Atlanta will be a destination for professional workers to avoid. Yes, let’s include a new category: “Avoidance destination.”
5. Let’s stop with the race talk and look at economic caste. You have a school in a wealthy, an historically wealthy section of the metro area, some might say the historic wealthy area of the Atlanta metropolitan area. So, let’s take the public school there and exploit the resources and put kids there from a different economic caste. Sounds good and we all get along. Now, unrealistically punished and school and mess over the families from the historically wealthy part of town. I do not know who thinks this is a strategy for success. Like I said, if I have a graduating senior at this school, I would put the school system in court and see it all the way through for the damages made upon my child. Citizens have responsibility to police crime, otherwise it will proliferate.
6. Does anyone find this recent classification system to ring hollow? It is complex, it was just invented, and the political caste is using it like a hammer. They have left out the part about when people were nice to each other and worked together for everyone’s good. The political caste are interlopers, have very poor boundaries, and are creating damage to individuals. The individuals need to return the action and put the political caste in court and maybe after 5,000 pages of discovery and several million dollars in claims that are to be decided upon by the court, those who commit this management atrocity will be forced to return to recognising quality public service that does not abuse and harm the citizens of the City of Atlanta and does not injure the reputation and business of the City of Atlanta, something that seems to be taken for granted. I think someone should ring up the directors of the Porsche headquarters and ask them, as newly arrived corporate citizens of the Atlanta metropolitan business community how their management views using collective punishment on workers.
7. It should be noted that there is a certain type of education management worker who already has a full retirement from another career. After achieving this type of reward for themselves, this type managers then steps into education management as a second career, but the reality is that they are not lifers in education and do not have their well being fully invested in one career. When the same abuse the workers who do not have dual or multiple systems of income and retirement for themselves, it is notable. I have before seen one of these persons that already has full medical coverage provided from a prior career then go all harpy about how much they love the children and how every decision is based on their love for the children. You know, the children who do not have eyeglasses and are not going to get them any time soon. I have come to view many public educators as aggressive hypocrites. If someone is damaging your city and abusing career workers, you best do something about it unless you want to be known as an Avoidance Destination.
jsmith
October 10th, 2012
4:17 pm
The bottom line is this. if you have kids you need to do whatever it takes to get them out of public schools… you can continue to fight these incompetent school boards and put up with your kids going to school with hispanic and black kids who live in apartments around your local public school who’s parents could give a crap about education and how their kids behave. the choice is yours…. imo there is nothing more important than my children and therefore if i have to drive the same car and wear the same clothes the rest of my life i will PAY FOR PRIVATE SCHOOL because My CHILDREN are the most important thing in my life !!!!!
Janet
October 10th, 2012
4:18 pm
@Attentive Parent/Serfs Collar
I am not employed in the education industry, but was curious enough about your post to google CASEL/SEL. I had never heard of it. How would this change how teachers teach in the classroom?
Southside Parent
October 10th, 2012
4:43 pm
@CB: You are completely right. I apologize for my poor reading skills and for misattributing you!
The Georgia School Council site has a great tool for comparing your school to similar schools, but it has been offline for a couple of days. From the statements and eyeballing the graduation rates, it sounds like apples to apples, NAHS isn’t where it should be. It sounds like motivated students in the IB programme and whose parents offer academic support at home and who don’t suffer from being misperceived. It must be hard for parents of those kids to reconcile the stats with their own subjective school experience. Looking in from the outside, I’m amazed by all of the great programs at NAHS and impressed with the students.
Beverly Fraud
October 10th, 2012
4:52 pm
“There is BIG $$$$ in teacher education and even BIGGER $$$$ in going around giving professional development seminars. Our last speaker was paid more than $30,000 for a 6 day seminar over a book that I could have read, comprehended, and applied in about 5 hours.”
@Kris, not saying “Vote Yes” but asking, what do you say to a person who says a no vote is a de facto endorsement of the quote above? A de facto endorsement of APS? Of SACS?
If these are “the good guys” the bad guys (the “privateers”) must be some REALLY bad guys.
Southside Parent
October 10th, 2012
4:54 pm
@ Concerned Mom 30329: I met him briefly. He resides in a super involved parents area (Morningside), so I think he’ll get it.
But I think he will also get how a school system should function around kids whose parents aren’t available to volunteer at the same level, or might not always understand the homework. Right now, among schools with high free/reduced lunch rates, Gwinnett’s have some of the best test scores.
Ray
October 10th, 2012
4:59 pm
There had to be something pretty big here that Davis is not talking about. Mygrant evidently knew something was going on because he had hired a lawyer and was making FOIA requests before he was let go. It’s weird that Davis would come speak at a meeting like this without telling people, or even give a hint, as to what was really going on here. But there had to be something.
Kathleen Burk
October 10th, 2012
5:04 pm
@Southside Parent: The students are indeed impressive. Look at the college acceptances for the top 20 2012 NAHS graduates.
http://www.atlanta.k12.ga.us//site/Default.aspx?PageID=29380
It shows a very diverse group of students going to the best colleges in the country.
I hope that any increased concentration on graduation rates (though needed) does not come at the expense of providing opportunities for outstanding students such as these.
Ray
October 10th, 2012
5:05 pm
… and it’s not about AYP.
are you kidding
October 10th, 2012
5:09 pm
Maureen, you are a treasure.
Let’s all meet at AYP central offices and escort THEM out.
Ben B
October 10th, 2012
5:25 pm
I think, based on the scores, that the tests for this school need to be checked for eraser marks. Something does not smell right.
ATL Parent
October 10th, 2012
5:29 pm
The sad thing is that APS/Davis did not handle this professionally. This meeting should have been first and not an after thought. Which means that every blogger is only concentrating on the assumptions of what they think will happen because they were not involved. Unfortunately, assumptions are the reasons that GA is in this failing education climate. Stop assuming, gather the facts and then fight for the best education possible for ALL kids and not a selected few. If you keep pushing for charter schools ran by out of state companies, you will be paying for you childs education before college – either through taxes or forced out of pocket. VOTE NO FOR THE CHARTER SCHOOL AMENDMENT!
Note: Benjamin Elijah Mays is not on the list in this article. Fine job by Dr. Smith and staff.
Right one
October 10th, 2012
5:30 pm
He said it and didn’t even blink
Bar None
October 10th, 2012
5:42 pm
The justification given by Davis for the hostile takeover is weak and quite simply a lie. Based on his assessment of the situation, he should be doing a repeat performance at 7 other APS high schools. Poor performance may be true, but it’s not a new discovery and it’s not unique to NAHS. Clearly something else is going on in this specific case. Maureen, citizens of Atlanta are counting on reporters like you to get to the bottom of this.
bu2
October 10th, 2012
6:03 pm
Clearly, Davis is incompetent or just making things up. How does putting in temps 4 weeks before the new principal help things? Even if he wanted to clean house for the new principal, he could have done it as the new guy arrived, rather than putting in more temps. I was willing to give him the benefit of a doubt on this, but not now. He seems, most likely, to be covering something up and assuming all the people at the meeting would be idiots and accept whatever he said.
Parent
October 10th, 2012
6:11 pm
I have 2 children at NAHS and for the life of me, I (nor my kids) cannot understand why everyone is trying to make excuses for this failing school. Davis made a bold move which I applaud. The AYP/Graduation rate argument makes no difference when your kids come home everyday with ridiculous stories of ineptitude on the part of administrators. Get over it and let the new people get on with business.
HAM-H
October 10th, 2012
6:12 pm
Dr. Davis created such a public mess for the students, teachers and the community. He told everyone wrong information, displayed such unprofessional conduct (see PSC.org for Code of Ethics), misused power, and shaped the future of that school for a long time. The new principal needs to take a long hard look at what he is taking on. The North Atlanta community has always supported private schools when APS did not provide good services. It is that time again.
Most likely, the highest scoring students, AP students, scholarship winners,and many Gifted students, will exit APS just as quickly as they did years ago. CINS worked hard to bring communities back to APS, but the ‘Crap du jour’ will only result in more private and charter schools. Is anyone paying attention to the big picture? As residents and parents, we have worked too hard to support neighborhood public schools – but not if it continues…cheating, lawsuits, legal fees, school administrative ambush, lies, students out of zone, rezoning, lack of working with parents, etc….
APS loves publicity! Decent people are paying a high price!
Dr. John Trotter
October 10th, 2012
6:37 pm
You mean you guys didn’t believe Erroll Davis’s gobbledegook? It was laced in great educationese. He’s quite adept with language. He’s learned to speak the blah, blah, blah of educrats. Hmm.
KIM
October 10th, 2012
6:44 pm
As I suspected and referred to in earlier posts, Davis has not spoken facts to the parents. On channel 2 news tonight, it was reported that his statements about state overtaking the school were erroneous, as were his statement about awful grad rates. Either he is not informed or he is counting on the parents to be ignorant. And, by the way, Gwinnett does very much encourage parent involvement in schools. I don’t know where in the world the impression they don’t came from.
Maureen Downey
October 10th, 2012
6:46 pm
@Nahs parent, Sent a note to DOE on when the reward schools would be announced. The communications person did not know the date but will get back to me.
Maureen
KIM
October 10th, 2012
6:47 pm
@BarNone I agree with you. This is NOT one of the worst schools in APS–how would you even know with all the lying and cheating that has gone on? So, you are RIGHT…there is something else going on here….better watch out other high schools. Do you really think E. Davis can ignore YOU now?
WhiteWolf of the Bones
October 10th, 2012
6:49 pm
They haven’t released the “reward’s list yet, because they are still looking for them. In other words, they can’t find any. Or it could be they really haven’t been able to skew the data enough to make their own ‘points’. Make all the excuses you want…until people take responsibility for themselves there will always be a large “sub group” that performs poorly. And the majority will not take the time to do their own research, or actually read the results of others who have done so.
http://www.invisibleserfscollar.com/ is a great place to start though, if you are really interested.
I don’t have a dog in y’all’s fight, per se…but we are fighting our own down here in Bibb County. It is all connected, and we will all be affected by what is going on.
NAHS Former Parent
October 10th, 2012
6:49 pm
Errol is nothing short if a political hack. As such he brags on the fact that he ran a Fortune 5000 company. If you care to look up his background he ran a small public utility in Wisconsin. Which was overseen be the state. He as also a state assemblyman in Pennsylvania. In other words he really has no “people” skills.
If this “man” would have handled his business as a professional this might not be the problem it is.
The “man’ is nothing short of a snake oil salesman, a charlatan, really nothing more that a tarot reading madame trying to take your money and time.
On top of all this he is a LIAR. Figures lie and LIARS figure. He might have misquoted, but his recent past lends doubt to that.
I really feel sorry for the incoming Principal. He is on an island without support and without any backing.
Good job Errol you really handled this in a ham handed way. Your credibility is down the tubes. Any trust you may have engendered in your time at APS is out of the window.
I do believe that your time should be up, you should do the honorable thing and resign, or your web of lies will catch you like so many flies in a spiders web.
KIM
October 10th, 2012
6:50 pm
After reading everything I can, I think there is a great possibility that the interim principal knew something that will turn up as scandalous for APS.
From the Top to the Bottom
October 10th, 2012
6:50 pm
Wow. Things are getting curiouser and curiouser. According to a representative from the GaDOE, Mr. Davis wasn’t as truthful as he would like for “dumb ‘ol inner city parents” to believe.
Chris Murphy
October 10th, 2012
7:44 pm
Maureen, I’d like to know: with only 188 seniors left in 2012 of a class that started out in ‘07 with 440 freshman, how can NAHS claim an 80+% graduation rate?
former aps teacher
October 10th, 2012
7:53 pm
As a former teacher at a NAHS feeder school, I think it is important to note that the affluent “Buckhead” kids are not the only ones attending college. I have many former students who come from minority backgrounds, grew up in apartments in the NAHS zone and now attend Emory, UGA, GA State, etc…APS has NO interest in improving student achievement. They don’t believe in or support their teachers, administrative staff or students. I can’t even begin to tell you the ridiculous things we were instructed/forced to do all in the name of “improving student achievement.”
NAHS Former Parent
October 10th, 2012
7:56 pm
@ Chris Murphy. The answer is simple. Out of the 440 freshmen coming in the question really becomes two fold. How many of those students transferred to other schools or how many of those students parents had job transfers. The way the new formula is based is precisely on the figures you gave. It makes no allowances for students leaving the system. Look at this in another way. The NCAA has graduation standards for all sports. Think what the Kentucky basketball rate looks like. It seems that every year they have 4 or 5 players leave school and go to the NBA. Since those students are counted until their class graduates they will show 4/14 or 28%, at a minimum, not graduating.
Rick L in ATL
October 10th, 2012
7:56 pm
Erroll better watch out. His stated goal is to prevent APS from becoming “two school systems.” and yet his autocratic behavior here may inspire soon-to-be-charter-enabled affluent APS parents to create exactly that.
This is not the time to try to demonstrate that you’re large and in charge. Even if NAHS had performance issues that couldn’t be ignored one moment longer, you could have handled this a lot better, Erroll.
Chris Murphy
October 10th, 2012
8:02 pm
@NAHS Former Parent: So, what you’re saying is that is that year after year after year parents get transferred when their kids become sophomores? Or what other schools do they transfer to- what schools are showing a rise in their sophomore numbers of 150-200?
Or would it be that they are dropping out, and when APS’s cursory check for them goes unanswered, they are marked as transfers?
Chris Murphy
October 10th, 2012
8:12 pm
Site: http://app3.doe.k12.ga.us/ows-bin/owa/fte_pack_enrollgrade.entry_form
Concerned Parent
October 10th, 2012
8:21 pm
So, Dr. Davis said that his main reason for these changes was due to the dismal graduation rates and AYP and that he would expect this school to do much better. Can anyone separate the SAT and graduation rates by “in district” versus “transfer” students? (No matter their IB status, or color/race.) If this shows that the graduation and testing scores are much higher for students withing the district, all he would need to do is stop transfer students from coming in and his goals would be met. There are so many of us “in-district” Buckhead parents, paying over $5,000+/yr to APS on our taxes, who would love to be able to utilize the public high school, but can’t for the sake of our children. My son tried it for two weeks and I cannot even begin to tell you how badly he was treated by some students. I sure hope that the newly built school will cap the rate of students to under 1,000, since it seems like we don’t have that many students in our area attending, and don’t want to attract more from out of district. For those from out-of-district, why don’t you just work harder at improving your own schools? Or move?
waitaminit
October 10th, 2012
8:28 pm
hard to believe hpw eerily similar this is to Lakeside High (DeKalb) in 2007
Fritz Neumeister
October 10th, 2012
8:31 pm
The irony here is that Errol Davis and Beverly hall have the same haircut and moustache.
Jeff S
October 10th, 2012
8:32 pm
I am the NAHS parent quoted by Ms. Downey regarding graduation rates. I obtained my data directly from the Ga Dept of Education archives. Those rates use the older AYP formulae, not the newer COHORTS formula quoted by Davis which results in lower numbers…for all schools.
But that is not my point. My point is that over the last three years NAHS is trending up at a rate several times greater than the state average. How can Davis then claim a manufactured urgency regarding leadership change?
RenewContract?
October 10th, 2012
8:42 pm
Given the current debate and performance of Mr Davis, is this the time to renew his contract for two years? Pls refer to articles on the WABE website. If you have a strong opinion, please contact your BOE Representative and the BOE chair, Ruben McDaniel.
Chris Murphy
October 10th, 2012
8:57 pm
The new building’s capacity will be 2,400.
appalled
October 10th, 2012
9:06 pm
@Chris Murphy, I like how your brain is working!
@55% of these posters: SHAME ON YOU! This is the 21st century and your comments sicken, sadden and disgust me and HUGE majority of us that live in this neighborhood!!! We happen to LIKE the diversity of our school and recognize the value of our neighbors that come from the outskirts of our community. Chris Murphy is right when he said that in the incoming freshman class last year, only 10, NOT 10%, were transfers. The school didn’t allow any transfers this year at all. The “all white school” that you want will NEVER happen and I, along with HUNDREDS of other parents want you to know that we will FIGHT you to the end about this. YOU will move your racist selves out of this city before it’s through.
This is about performance and our school isn’t meeting the grade. I loved the student last night that said, she wanted us to know that testing scores are low because parents come in demanding their childs grade be raised instead of making their child buckle down and study and stop cheating and LEARN something. What is wrong with parents that think their child is entitled to whatever they want just because their income levels are sky high. Gimme a break! Make your child own his or her own grade and stop coming in to the school to bully teachers into higher grades. What a complete joke!
Also, Davis, it seems to many of us, is looking out for us that actually WANT our children to actually get a great education. I want my child to be prepared for life and not have to rely on their trust funds to get them out of messes. I want them to know how NOT to get into them in the first place.
Lastly, I have forwarded all these blogs to ALL our black neighbors who bankroll way more than most of us do. They live in the biggest houses in the most pretigious parts of our Buckhead community. I wonder how they will feel when they read your nasty and disgusting posts?
I feel sorry for the anger that you carry but I feel so much better for finally speaking up. YOU DON’T SPEAK FOR THE MAJORITY OF OUR BELOVED COMMUNITY!
Concerned Parent
October 10th, 2012
9:21 pm
Holy Smoke! 2,400 High School Students in this neighborhood? If you figure all of Buckhead private schools and public schools, they don’t even come close to this number. Where will they all come from?
Julienne4wonder
October 10th, 2012
9:29 pm
I am white student on reduced lunch, and live within the so called “zone requirements” That is ridiculous. You sir, are an idiot.
Please take a look at the uneducated comment below:
“North Atlanta would be the same quality as 80% of Private Schools if the zoned requirements were adhered to. The Free and Reduced lunch would be well below 20% as well, with just a few students from apartments off Roswell Rd., Peachtree Rd, in Garden Hills, and Underwood Hills, off Defoors, and Collier Rd.
The real Demographics would be about 65% white, 25% hispanic, 2% Asian and 3% Black or something pretty close. If there was not busing to a so called Magnet and all the line jumpers. look at what the Real Demographics of the area are. look at what the Tax Records of the area are. Then you would see how low the free lunches should be.”
Old South
October 10th, 2012
9:35 pm
@jsmith,
You hit the nail on the head. The folks here are probably just not in a position to pay for a private school. The ones who can, but choose APS simply aren’t putting their kids first. It’s like those people who buy in Grant Park with kids and think they are ahead of the curve. oops.
I’d be po’d if I owned a home anyhwere near an APS school. Actually pretty much the whole metro is dismal public-school wise.
RenewContract?
October 10th, 2012
10:05 pm
http://wabe.org/post/aps-board-looks-extend-superintendents-contract
Please read this article. Do you want the APS Board of Education to make this decision now?
Point/Counterpoint
October 10th, 2012
10:14 pm
@BoBo probably boils down to a person’s character and integrity, not so much where they come from. To be a truly effective educator at any level requires one to care about every student.
Questioning Parent
October 10th, 2012
10:20 pm
This is a wonderful blog and thank you everyone for your comments.
I appreciate the link to the APS Transript of Tuesday night’s meeting, which is here:
http://www.talkupaps.com/
It is NOT an accurate Transcript.
I personally asked two (2) questions last night:
(1) Why would any qualified person ever want to come to North Atlanta knowing they could be treated like the Administrators were last Friday who were ousted in a bloodless coup d’etat?
(2) The best decisions we make are when we reverse ourselves. It’s never to late to start all over again. Will you change your mind?
Neither of these questions nor the answers thereto are published on the APS link. listed above!
Now, I did, in fact, ask these questions. Here is aa link to a Fox 5 TV video that broadcasts the first question:
http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/story/19770783/aps-scheduled-to-meet-with-parents-over-n-atlanta-firings
I cannot wonder why MY questions, as well as other “hard” questions (”What could be worse than you?”) are absent from this Transcript.
Do you suppose it is related to the “unintended” system wide glitch that resulted in the loss of local control of the NAHS website?
H m m m ……………..
Private Citizen
October 10th, 2012
11:41 pm
Need to call out this management action for what it is: bullying. It is possible that Mr. Davis thinks that by bullying he will elevate his profile for contract renewal. It is possible that he is doing the bidding and will of this school board and will therefore be rewarded for going out there and bullying a target. It sounds like how a gang operates, doesn’t it? People say appeal to the board re: is Davis should have extended / renewed contract. Unfortunately, I have no confidence in this political organization and I am embarrassed for the City of Atlanta that such egregious conduct from management is allowed to happen in the first place. I can understand if a school requires to be reconceptualized etc. and so, and I fully understand the dilemma of two schools under one roof, etc. but this does not allow such reckless and immature action from management and I challenge every person here to recognise, that whatever are your beliefs regarding class, race, apartments, homes, taxes, etc., that this is not acceptable to do this attention-suck move on a school in the middle of their school year. It is amateur hour management style, it is abusive, it is collective punishment, it sets a bad example for the state, and it needs to stop. For those of you who think otherwise in the name of re-doing the school, what if your boss walks in tomorrow and tells you abruptly that your services are no longer needs because a decision has been made that (insert your strategy reason here). It is a horrific and below-professional way to treat people. Hey, let’s take a vote. Does this look like Gangland activity, where someone is told to go out and do an ambush to prove themselves to the gang? Well, answer that for yourself. Is this the Little Detroit school of management? Speaking of Detroit, I can’t really explain it, I wish it wasn’t so, but for some reason this news story makes me think of this recent ambush, where fake-values are used to play make-believe that the aggression did not occur. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/10/10/forced-to-live-alongside-squatter-in-my-detroit-house-woman-says/
Errol David, I don’t know where you’ve come from, but if you think you are applying corporate management to Atlanta citizens, it is my opinion that your methods to not match or resonate the values and methods of what makes for great corporate success. Atlanta is not a medium market. Atlanta is the economic center of the southeastern United States and is a city that is legion for success in business due to innovation and primarily making people happy and comfortable and willing to do business. I’ll be frank. I do not think you are upholding the traditions of this great city, a titan among cities, a leader in the world. Real business does not treat people in the manner you have done. If you’re stuck here for a while longer, I really you hope you clean up your act. I suggest you make some friends in the real business community, the one you probably do not know about and perhaps have not yet met. Maybe someone will take you in and teach you some manners. I certainly hope so. If you want to tear the world apart and make it better, there’s a way to do it and you’re not there, yet. If you want to evolve, that’s up to you. I’m not going to hold your hand but I can ask you to become a man, shed the snake skin, and respect the Phoenix.
Atlanta Mom
October 10th, 2012
11:49 pm
Questioning Parent,
The “transcript” was done in “real time”. I don’t think it is meant as a court reporter type transcript. It is for people who can’t make it to the meeting, but would like to have an idea of what was happening at the meeting.
Private Citizen
October 10th, 2012
11:57 pm
FYI Atlanta from the Ashes, more commonly known as The Phoenix, is a bronze monument located in Atlanta, Georgia, United States, symbolizing Atlanta’s rise from the ashes of the Civil War to become one of the most important cities in the world. The sculpture, dedicated in 1969, depicts a woman being lifted from flames by a phoenix, in reference to the phoenix of Egyptian mythology that was consumed by fire and rose from the ashes, just as Atlanta rose from the ashes after being burned to the ground by William T. Sherman’s Union Army during the Civil War. The female figure has long hair and is seen nude above the waist, looking upward. In her raised arms she holds the legs of a gilded phoenix. The sculpture is mounted on a rectangular base. The monument is located in Woodruff Park, located in Downtown Atlanta.
The monument was a gift of the Rich Foundation in commemoration of the 100th anniversary of Rich’s Department store. The sculpture was designed by James Siegler, of Houston, Texas, but it was both sculpted and fabricated in Italy, by Gamba Quirino, and Feruccia Vezzoni, respectively. The monument was originally located on a viaduct adjacent to the first Rich’s Department store on Martin Luther King Jr. Drive at Spring Street from 1969 to 1995. In 1995, the sculpture was restored and moved to its current location in Woodruff Park.
Since its creation, the sculpture has become an iconic symbol of Atlanta’s rise from out of the ashes and destruction of the Civil War to become one of the most important international cities.
Private Citizen
October 11th, 2012
12:21 am
And just to keep it balanced and quash any indulgent daydreams and screeching about race, it seems there are a few people who are “born to bully” and it caught up with this person. http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i-team/usada-calls-evidence-lance-overwhelming-article-1.1179148 Sure works for a while. I guess people like playing make believe and want to “Live Strong.” What a propagandist. Think of the other cyclists who were crushed by this fiend.
Private Citizen
October 11th, 2012
1:00 am
to Parent @ 6:11 pm, In part, one of the things that the best schools do is stay out of people’s way. As one poster indicated, school is an accessory to real life. If you want your kids to be successful at this “failing school that needs to be fixed” you best foster an intellectual or otherwise direction outside of school. That means: read books, real ones, literature not garbage, visit the art museum and know the architecture around you. A quality school is a peaceful place that does not interfere with your life. That’s the key part, YOUR life. You own it, you direct it. Your own time and direction should be more valuable than looking at the school as your service provider. Maybe I’m the exception or something, but the only time my parent(s) interacted with my school was twice, to register me for the first day and in my final year when I wrecked the single family car in the rain. Otherwise, nothing. See, we work all the time and do not interlope at the school. How many times did I utilize a “school counselor” to apply to college? Not once, although I left a year early and was in college when I was 17. I did not need a “school counselor” to do this. I simply applied to the college on my own. The one thing I did was spend about 4 hours a day on math homework. School was a peaceful place. It did not distract me from my personal momentum. The same principal and teachers were there the entire time I was at high school. There were no changes. The were no meetings. There were no initiatives. I think this calm and consistent environment was probably the greatest asset to my academic success, which was not particularly stellar however I had a good sense of self. No one got into my business and no change to my school surroundings for the brief time I was there. To the current students of NAHS, I apologize to you for what you are having to endure and the one thing I can wish for you is to get on with your life and when you go out into the world, do and demand better than what has been do to you. It may not seem like it, but there is a world out there and much has good bearing on how to do things and the word “Leadership” is not ever spoken, and is most definitely not considered an asset to any scientist or engineer. Recognize propaganda when you see it and run for your life. As adults, we have the responsibility to stand up to these issues.
Mom for Education Karen Alston
October 11th, 2012
1:15 am
People, you’re doing exactly what Davis wants you to do – talk about the BS he’s feeding you. That all was a way to throw you off track. The real questions you should be asking are as follows:
1. What is the real story behind MyGrant’s hiring of those two teachers?
2. Who are the two teachers?
3. What happened at the school or what did the District discover that prompted such drastic and swift action?
4. What does Nancy Meister hsve to say about all of this? We North Atlanta parents know how tight she’s been with MyGrant since even before she became a board member. We also know she was making administrative decisions for him while she was president of PTA at Sutton and NAPPS.
5. What is the entire story behind the investigation?
To the Sandy Springs parent:
You are racist. You are envious of Buckhead dwellers. You slept with some black football player who obvioudly dumped you. (This is something you stated in one of your ignorant rants on the blog from Saturday. ) You hate AKAs, the black sorority whose colors are pink and green. You thinl black women are envious of you because you were once with a black man. Let me tell you, we aren’t. You hzve a complex and self esteem issues. Why are you chiming in on issues in a district you don’t live in? Let’s talk about some of the issues at Riverwood. IT AIN’T SO GRAND! Riverwood has a lot of issues, as many, if not more than North Atlanta.
I know of more white students from upper middle class families at North Atlanta who didn’t grsduate. One of the smartest kids who graduated last year was Hispanic. Black and Hispanic kids have grsfuated and gone on to top tier and even Ivy League schools. There are white students who sre on free or reduced lunch, who are bussed in, and are special ed. Being on free or reduced lunch , nor riding the bus signifies there’s something wrong with your brain. The kids at North Atlanta are not racist snd have a mixed array of friends. Kids learn racism at home first. Please stop making the AYP issues about race.
crankee-yankee
October 11th, 2012
1:21 am
Concernedmom30329
October 10th, 2012
1:50 pm
Taylor came on my radar when he was at Crews MS. I heard positive things about him, Crews always has ranked high in Gwinnett’s pecking order.
Something the county office did not like was going on at Lilburn MS and the they asked Taylor to take it over. Rumor has it he made certain demands which included the removal of some pf Lilburn’s AP’s. Once there,he exhibited a heavy hand in decision-making, more dictatorial than team-building in nature. Lilburn was a mess so maybe it was necessary, of that I have no direct knowledge.
But his asking for administrative purges before he takes over a troubled building seems to be a developing track record for him. Those left behind can expect some top-down decision-making.
Private Citizen
October 11th, 2012
1:56 am
Dear Mom @ 11:15, re: 3. “What happened at the school or what did the District discover that prompted such drastic and swift action?”
There is nothing to prompt this action. You may wish to recognize that this type of management action is inappropriate and outside of the norms of good management. They way you manage a work environment is to solve problems, not eradicate people. It is my opinion that you should not accept this type of action or treat it as a norm or something that is justifiable under any circumstance, particularly considering the collective nature of the action. Higher management has responsibility to follow process. If “heavy lifting” is required, there is a set process that must be followed. It’s called, “Hey, higher management, How about if you do YOUR JOB?” (Isn’t it odd how many in higher government seem to forget how to do their job?) The abrupt nature of these recent actions is inappropriate and must be clearly recognized. Do not gloss over or otherwise ignore this unprofessional management style. It is not acceptable and it sets a pattern and precedent for abuse of workers. No doubt there are real and substantive stimuli that must be addressed, but this must be done using process and order. To do otherwise is management not doing their job, inappropriate, unprofessional, and creates liability, malfeasance, and real damage to individuals and to the City of Atlanta. Additionally, it is not acceptable to make action of this type and then not inform the public to the point that people have to make FOI Freedom of Information document request to find out the truth and basics of the stimuli to which the management has reacted. Reactive management is not pro-active management. No citizen should accept these methods from managers who hierarchically have more responsibility for ethics and process than the workers that they govern.
You are correct that by doing an act of aggression and getting the public / parents and students to react, it is a keen method of keeping the public distracted. If I was a judiciary and made a ruling on this case, it would be as follows, in order of importance:
1. Require due process for handling of personnel matters.
2. Require the public to be informed of cause for any significant or public personnel decisions.
3. Address the original concern, which should be expected as part of standard operating procedure.
And I hope that is exactly the ruling that is made by judiciary who examine these actions.
Private Citizen
October 11th, 2012
2:04 am
If Georgia is going to be a “non-union state” it is going to have to elevate its standards in how government management treats workers. This is not the wild west and government employees can not just abruptly do what they want with or to the workers that they manage. I think this needs to be clarified via the court.
Private Citizen
October 11th, 2012
2:23 am
Re: #3, in other words, public administration managers should expects issues and events to arise and it is their job to handle issues without incident. Certainly there is a catalog of worker related issues that arise in the work place and the appropriate remedy and process to address each. This reminds me of the event a day or so ago where they found a box at the CDC so someone decided it was a terrorist threat and they shut down the building, bussed out the workers as an emergency, and called the fire department. Well, the box was probably a box someone set out in the hall and there was no terrorist threat in this instance. When you call the Dekalb County Fire Department to a call of this nature, somebody just spent $20,000. (or more?). That is the cost of this type fire department call. I once saw an administrator go all “Red Alert” because someone had set a box of donation magazines outside a doorway. Maybe they were having brain fizzies or something.
bootney farnsworth
October 11th, 2012
6:51 am
@ private
I have been a supporter of establishing either a real ombudsman office or some kind of independant watchdog office for over a decade, while the cronyism and corruption of state gov’t. has always been bad here, it has gotten exponentally worse since the late 70s and the rush of money into the state.
we sidestep our own rules, hide malfesence in plain sight, and dare you to look behind the curtain – no matter what you see, the political class will serve itself above all else.
Georgia is a right to work state (right to fire, actually) not because its good for business, but because its good for the political class.
JIm Brown
October 11th, 2012
9:32 am
If this situation has always been about the need for NAHS’ excellent performance to be better, why was that line of reasoning utterly missing from both Superintendent Davis’ (non-)explanatory letter last and Mr. Alford’s “official response” on Saturday?
C Jae of EAV
October 11th, 2012
9:36 am
@Atlanta Mom – Nice try at attempting to help the APS Central Office cover their tracks but I don’t by it.
L.M. Entry
October 11th, 2012
10:15 am
With the timing of this unilateral move Mr. Davis is providing the best case scenario possible for the supporters of the charter school amendment while it will remain fresh on voters’ minds. I don’t suspect the overly touted “reverse racism” that is being bandied around as much as reverse psychology being applied by this interim superintendent.
Questioning Parent
October 11th, 2012
12:36 pm
Dear Atlanta Mom,
IF APS “Transcript” was in real time, why omit my questions?
Maureen Downey had a “real time” “Transcript” and SHE did not omit my questions.
How can you explain why the “…can’t be worse than you.” question was also omitted?
How can you explain why the “unintended glitch’ that removed local control of the NAHS website occurred precisely during the Friday coup d’etat and STILL has not been fixed?
There is only one logical explanation: APS is trying to control the message and the communication system. Does APS really think the NAHS Community is so dumb that we do not recognize this pathetic attempt at censorship?
Everyone makes mistakes. That was the point of my second question to Supt. Davis: It is never too late to start all over again.
I guess for Supt. Davis, there is no turning back.
APS High Schools in Practice
October 11th, 2012
1:48 pm
At the “State of the Schools” report, Davis noted that APS is the tale of two districts. One higher performing and one lower performing with an inexplicable achievement gap that did not trend like other urban districts.
Ms. Downey’s article makes me wonder why APS didn’t “transform” the lowest performing APS high school first and then work its way up the line from the bottom?
This just does not make logical sense unless there is something else involved other than building one district of schools that are all concentrated on upward movement academically.
I smell a rat. Wonder where he/she lives? Is he/she an elected official who bears grudges? What is his title and what governmental wing does he work for?
Christopher Adelman
October 11th, 2012
1:54 pm
I am genuinely appalled at the reaction to this change, and embarrassed for us parents. As usual, we seem to be blaming others for our own lack of participation. While at the auditorium I was astounded by how uninformed and insulting some of the most adamant protestors proved to be. It often sounded like they were seeking applause rather than information.
Mr. Mygrant has amassed a group of extremely vocal, yet willfully ignorant followers.
The long and short of this story is that it is first, and foremost an HR problem. Mr. Davis stated at the very beginning that there were performance issues involved, which he could not speak about. He can’t speak about them, because … they’re HR issues! He and APS could be sued if he opens his mouth about the specific performance issues related to individual(s) who were either released or reassigned. It’s not that he wouldn’t say anything…He can’t.
The administrative issues of logistics and underperformance of NAHS were raised as subtext for making an immediate change of various members of the administrative staff, including: potential reprisals by admin’s on teachers during evaluation of NAHS; the right of the new principal to bring in his own staff; and so on.
As a parent of a sophomore at NAHS I am very pleased that Mr. Davis is prioritizing the school for sweeping improvement. It is in dire need. I hope and expect an accelerated rate of positive changes to come.
IMHO this protest has been misguided, but well-intentioned. There are at least two potentially positive outcomes: (1) greater community attention and participation; and, (2) heightened awareness of APS to the need for communication with concerned parents and students.
Rather than focusing our energies on maintaining the status quo, wouldn’t we be better served shouting and protesting for change and improvement? The public school system is already a bureaucratic nightmare. Achieving change of any kind is extremely difficult – and usually comes in drips and drops.
We should be applauding Mr. Davis – not reprimanding him. I am certain that I am far from alone in my dissatisfaction with past NAHS administration, and suspect that a less vocal majority of parents and students are extremely pleased with what we hope is just a beginning, a taste of sweeping change to come.
NA Parent
October 11th, 2012
2:52 pm
@ Jim Brown – in response to your question:
October 11th, 2012
9:32 am
If this situation has always been about the need for NAHS’ excellent performance to be better, why was that line of reasoning utterly missing from both Superintendent Davis’ (non-)explanatory letter last and Mr. Alford’s “official response” on Saturday?
I think I have an explanation. If parents had been handed this information on Friday, they would have be prepared at Tuesday night’s meeting to challenge it with data related to AYP, graduation rates, trends over the past 5 years, comparisons to other schools in the district, etc. I initially thought Davis was crazy to send out such a vague letter. Now I understand the benefits of it for him.
@ Christopher Adelman – I agree with you in large part and think you are right that there is a more quiet group of parents that are also not as bothered as others. There was an extreme response from some parents that seemed to be at least partly emotional based on personal ties developed with the adminstrators and having children who were closer to graduation. I get the sense that another factor at play is a large sense of mistrust of Errol Davis and APS as a whole. No matter how benign some of his statements were (I want more for this school – for example), some were set on seeing lies, coverup, misdirection. I’m not saying I think Davis was completely honest. I do think some of the performance data is a joke and his focus on AYP was misleading. He probably definitely either carefully crafted answers or outright lied about investigations (unless MyGrant was lying to AJC and channel 2 about an open records act request, which seems unlikely).
In the end – either Taylor requested a clean slate as crankee-yankee suggests or Davis wanted a fresh start for the school (we could go on and on speculating about those potential motivations)- and as Superintendent, it was within Davis’s authority to make it happen. The fact that he did it without notice is probably due to his prior experience with the parents in the district and his belief that this was the most effective way of making it happen – even if not the most amicable way of making it happen. Maybe there was a motive to somehow prevent evidence from being collected, but if there is an investigation, it’s unlikely that we won’t find out about it; MyGrant already has his documents collected; and if any other administrator had evidence, APS cannot wipe out their memories/testimony.
At this point, I think everyone is moving on. The kids had their protest yesterday. Time for them to get back their heads back in class.
JD
October 12th, 2012
1:13 am
I’m still trying to make sense of these things: suddenly ousting the principal &all administrators in a manner that looked like they were suspected of very serious wrongdoing, Davis saying Tuesday night something along the lines of “that is standard protocol in sensitive announcements”, replacing 4 of the ousted administrators with 8, and Davis mentioning that they would be conducting an “assessment.” To me, assessment is just doublespeak for “investigation.” With 2 people assigned to each of 4 administrative positions, one can be doing the actual job and the other can be “assessing”. What would they be assessing and how? Well, racial inequity seems to be a theme that keeps cropping up in these blogposts, so I’m guessing they would be looking for evidence of that. They could look at racial patterns in the way students are distributed in the various school programs, the strengths and weaknesses of each program, notes and documents in files and computers. They could also interview teachers and students. By removing the former administrators from the school, teachers and students who have negative opinions of those administrators would feel free to speak up. The “assessment” could be completed before the new principal takes over. And when that assessment is finished, I would expect 4 of the temporary administrators to leave NAHS. The others would stay until permanent replacements are hired. When the assessment is finished, Davis may change the school’s procedures for assigning students to particular SLCs and classes. When new administrators are hired, they would be subject to the new procedures. New administrators would NOT be trained by the old ones and transfer of institutional knowledge would not take place because NEW procedures will replace the former practices.
That’s just speculation, but it’s the best rationale I could think of for (1) ejecting so many administrators and then installing a greater number than were removed, (2) using “protocol for sensitive announcements”, and (3) announcing an “assessment”.
Does anybody have a better explanation?
JD
October 12th, 2012
2:21 am
@ Questioning Parent, Thanks for pointing out what’s missing from the talkupaps transcript. Your first question had not dawned on me, but it is important! After seeing how Mygrant & the other administrators were treated last Friday, who would want to work for APS now?
Jennifer Dharling
October 12th, 2012
9:29 am
“While at the auditorium I was astounded by how uninformed and insulting some of the most adamant protestors proved to be. It often sounded like they were seeking applause rather than information. ”
I had the same observation.
I was appalled by how rude and disrespectful many of the question askers were, especially the young people.
Is that really something we should be proud of?
Jennifer Dharling
October 12th, 2012
9:31 am
” The fact that he did it without notice is probably due to his prior experience with the parents in the district and his belief that this was the most effective way of making it happen – even if not the most amicable way of making it happen. ”
This seems like a reasonable explanation.
It seems that there was some uproar by the “vocal parents” at NAHS over the first principal who was hired back in June (the guy from NY).
NAHS Student
October 12th, 2012
11:33 pm
As a student at NAHS I can honestly say each administrator had our best interest in mind. They always wanted to know how to better us and what we needed to be successful. I can accept change but I feel as if Davis did it without good reasoning. I was willing to give his idea a chance until he told us he had never been in a NAHS classroom and that we were under-performing. For someone who had never entered one of OUR classrooms he sure did have alot of opinions. This was idea that wasnt thought about with the students in mind and I do believe it will backlash. For now, I will continue to learn like my administrators would’ve wanted me too.
Questioning Parent
October 14th, 2012
9:53 pm
This weekend I learned one of my child’s teachers has “resigned.”
Now my child has NO teacher and NO Academy leader.
But, per Supt. Davis, that is “progress.”
If that is progress, I can make you a good deal on a bridge that crosses Peachtree Creek.
We have no choice except to ride it out for the balance of the year,
Maybe the Charter Amendment vote will create alternatives.