I participated in a PAGE panel today on education, along with my AJC colleague Nancy Badertscher, TV reporter Donna Lowry of 11 Alive and Macon Telegraph editorial page editor Charles E. Richardson. (Georgia school chief John Barge and education guru Phillip C. Schlechty were among the speakers at the PAGE program, and I will write up their comments later tonight.)
Several audience questions to my panel touched on the current state of teacher morale. When I returned to work, I found this email waiting for me in my in-box. It spoke directly to the questions asked by the panel audience.
The teacher who wrote it asked to remain anonymous:
I just wanted to express my thoughts on the most recent “Get Schooled” blog message to the President.
I am a high school special education teacher. I also work with many general education students. I have taught for 11 years and have many friends and acquaintances who have taught anywhere from three years to 20-plus.
In my 11 years as an educator, I have never seen such a demoralized group of people in my life. We teachers feel that we are under attack, that everything bad about education is our fault and that we need to change how things are done at the expense of losing many good teachers.
Many teachers would leave the profession if the right opportunity came their way — more than half. I know many students over the years who wanted to become teachers, thought it was their life’s calling, come to me later and say they had changed their mind and were no longer pursuing teaching.
Basically, this new idea that we can improve education by giving students a standardized test and use that grade to determine the quality of teaching they received is absolutely ridiculous. This idea will ruin our educational system.
Don’t get me wrong. We teachers love our job when it comes to teaching our kids. The politics of “gotcha” has gotten to the point that we have simply had enough. The politicians who have never been in a classroom or ever taught a class in their life think they know everything there is to know about fixing the problem. Ninety percent (and probably more) of teachers say that evaluating us on student test scores is not a cogent measurement. It does not predict teacher quality or student success.
Unfortunately, the time has come for many of us to look at other options. I’m not going to sit around and wait for these lawmakers to ruin our educational system by diverting money to charter schools when the public schools are strapped already and then continue to blame us for poor quality education. Charter schools generally do no better than their public school counterparts. This is absolutely true. I have the data to back it up so there is no room for argument on this one.
Anyway, many of us have gone back to school/ trade school to learn other fields of work in the event we are pushed out of education, which looks like it is about to happen. It is unfortunate as I consider teaching my life’s calling.
–From Maureen Downey, for the AJC Get Schooled blog
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Ron F.
September 17th, 2012
5:34 pm
Wow…well said. As I look at the future, I am thinking about options as well. I’ve got over twenty years, and I find myself thinking “hold on for the retirement”, which will be significantly changed by then anyway. I always said if it stopped being fun, I owed it to the kids and myself to find something else to do. It’s not fun many days at this point, so I may just have to live up to my words. It’s sad to see what is not just a job but a personal, heartfelt “calling” as the e-mail write so aptly calls it, become so negative that many would choose to leave. I think about it sometimes, and that fact bothers me.
Sad Teacher
September 17th, 2012
5:44 pm
This letter sums up our feelings as educators. Thanks for sharing!
mark
September 17th, 2012
5:49 pm
I will be vested in 1.66 years. After my ten in this state, 17 over all, it will be time to get out of teaching. Four years in a row with a pay cut. Talk about “incentive based pay!” I am so motivated, that I come home to mow lawns and paint decks!! Screw grading, lesson planning! That can wait, there is no money in it! I now have the incentive to get out of the physics/chemistry/earth scienc/child development/nutrition teaching and into the private sector. Dont worry, you will find a replacement!! A warm body will do. I just hope they know periodic trends.
RealWorldEducation
September 17th, 2012
6:11 pm
I’ve barely been in 1/6 of the time the teacher above has and I’m looking for the exit door. It’s all about crunching the numbers and making the scores fit the required quotas. Common Core has been shoved at us with no thought or prep, no materials and no care for student needs. The assessments magically assume that high schoolers, having spent their entire educational existence taking Multiple Choice NCLB tests will with a wave of a wand, be able to compare and explicate texts and concepts in writing. On an accelerated grade level. As graded by a computer. NOW. The sensible thing would have been to roll these out starting in K and working up to 12. But no, it makes more sense to throw them out with no testing (oh wait..we ARE the guinea pigs!), and no materials (some school districts are very clear about their disinterest in buying any new texts of any kind due to budget cuts). The assessments assume students will learn by reading bits of texts with no context, basically disenfranchising anyone who doesn’t come in with the background knowledge already built in (middle class and up).
This isn’t education….this isn’t even a job which pays enough for an employee with less than a decade’s experience to start a family.
Can’t anyone say enough is enough? Teachers in Georgia have no say in their instruction or pay or contracts. Why should we stay? “For the kids”? Does that put food on your table?
TeacherMom4
September 17th, 2012
6:27 pm
Then there’s the whole “If I teach the way I want to teach and it’s not the way I’m supposed to teach, according to the latest gimmick, and my supervisor walks in, I’ll be in trouble,” aspect. I am given no autonomy and all responsibility, even if I know I can do as well, if not better a different way. I have 14 years; it would be 20 if I had done nothing but taught public school since graduation. Those “lost” 6 years, make me feel sick. Like many, I no longer love my job, but I have few options given my skill set (note I said skill, not intelligence) and the economy. With 4 young children, I can’t afford to pay for a new degree and start at the bottom of a new career.
Old Physics Teacher
September 17th, 2012
6:28 pm
Ron F and mark,
I hear you guys. I have 20 years in the private sector. I will have 20 years in teaching as of next June. Like you, I’ll be leaving after the 2013-14 school year too. I currently spend most of my planning time in “whipping meetings” instead of grading papers and planning for my next day’s courses. You know, “our students didn’t do well enough on their EOCTs, GHSGT scores so we have to attend this meeting so we can learn to teach better.” We’re this generation’s whipping boys. You can’t blame the voters, right? It can’t be their fault, right? Everybody “deserves” a good education”, right? It MUST be the teacher’s fault you didn’t pass, right? And most of the teachers vote Democratic, too! It MUST be their fault! Even if it’s not, let’s blame them!! Get out the tar and feathers, boys; I think I see one coming!
Our colleges attract the rest of the world’s best students, our best students whip COLD the best of the rest of the world’s students easily, but our teaching is bad – why? Because politicians SAY our teaching is bad. The people of our nation, and specifically the people of our state, hate teachers. Look at the comments on Jay’s and Kyle’s blogs. Well, they’re successful. The teachers who can get out because they teach – and know – a discipline that is in a “hot” field, will. I am.
Let’s see what kind of quality teachers you can get when we leave. Rep Lindsey says we should pay teachers “market wages.”
Well Mr. Lindsey, who pays $100k + for his starting lawyers, let’s see if you can pony up that type of pay for chemistry, physics, biology,math, and computer science teachers. I guess you’ll just deduct that amount of money from the foreign language, social studies, and English teachers, right? Yeah, that’ll work just fine. How about giving your friends another tax cut? That’ll make sure we have enough money to pay the back pay to the teachers, right?
The things keeping me going are the bright smiles from the students every day, the look on their faces when I show them what they know to be true is wrong, and the emails from the ones who go off and have a great life and say that without my teaching they wouldn’t have made it. I’ll have great memories of actual teaching in the classroom. What politicians have made of teaching… not so much.
mountain man
September 17th, 2012
6:33 pm
Well put! My advice: if you are a student thinking about becoming a teacher – DON’T. If you have just started in teaching, GET OUT NOW. If you have been teaching for 27 years – suffer your last three and RETIRE!
If enough teachers hit the exits, things would have to change. Unfortunately a lot of people like the “summers off” and the “retire after 30 years (at 52 years old! – I would like that!)”. So there is a lot of new teachers to enter the profession and then burn out. Especially since you don’t have to be a “rocket scientist” in order to get an education degree.
Tired
September 17th, 2012
6:35 pm
I think the only teachers that can truly afford to teach are those with expensive, advanced degrees and 10-15+ years experience. This is my 7th year teaching and I by no means expected to get rich by leaving a corporate accounting career to pursue my lifelong desire to teach children. To not have seen a meaningful cost of living raise in 7 years is extremely disheartening and I pray to even make it to 10 years. I would strongly advise anyone thinking about teaching to think seriously about another profession. Anyone who dare question why teacher morale is low should consider substituting for ONE day. Just ONE.
MsCrabtree
September 17th, 2012
6:46 pm
It hurts me deeply to see how we are expected to be “professional,” but are never treated as professionals. It’s bad all over, but Georgia takes the cake. I am leaving with a bitter taste in my mouth.
mountain man
September 17th, 2012
6:52 pm
It will NEVER get better until a large exodus of teachers occur. In Chicago, the striking teachers should just quit – maybe they will get rehired after that.
Carl
September 17th, 2012
6:53 pm
COMPETION is the answer.
Vouchers and let the parents decide whether they want public or private schools.
long time educator
September 17th, 2012
6:53 pm
We are all looking for the exit. Last one out – turn out the lights.
Yankee Prof
September 17th, 2012
6:55 pm
And the saddest news might just be that the powers that have ruined public primary and secondary education in this country are now poised to destroy our nationwide state college and university system by bringing their standardized assessment mantra to the next level.
Linda
September 17th, 2012
7:05 pm
I too had to leave a profession I loved. I could no longer look the administrators in the face as they forced us to adopt latest great teaching method knowing the next year they would refer to it as that horrible thing we used to do that did not work. I honestly don’t know how they do it year after year with a straight face. Do they honestly believe the crap that comes out of their mouth? Do they not see a pattern? I actually still read professional development material FOR FUN even though I no longer teach. Depressing to even type that. I miss creating exciting environments and interesting lessons for students, but I could no longer tolerate the BS. I taught at several “good” schools over the years and administrators were all rotten, clueless, double-speaking politicians to the core. They are ruining our schools. My own fellow educators all felt the same way, but would not stand with me against the insanity. They put up with a lot in order to stay employed and away from vendetta duties and responsibilities, and the powers that be are abusing that in the worst way. Parents are the only group I see being able to effect any change, and they don’t have any idea what is going on and how it is affecting their children.
mountain man
September 17th, 2012
7:09 pm
“Parents are the only group I see being able to effect any change, ”
Parents are 9/10 of the problem! Teachers do ANYTHING the parents don’t like (like disciplining an unruly student) and the parent(s) descend like a swarm of enraged hornets!
sayre1
September 17th, 2012
7:13 pm
thousands of students are majoring in education, thousands of education grads are looking for teaching jobs. there are plenty of applicants to fill the jobs of teachers who leave the system.
TimeOut
September 17th, 2012
7:17 pm
I’m not sure if the United States is a democracy. I think it’s possible that most of us are peasants, living on the Lord of the Manor’s land, and by his leave. While it’s still possible, I am spending my nights and weekends re-trainining, with hopes of entering pharmacy school. I hold master’s degrees in Modern Languages and Psychology. I have teaching credentials that allow me to accept positions in the Social Studies department on the high school level, and Language Arts/ Social Studies on the middle school level. I have the coursework and the certification for ESOL K-12 and School Counseling K-12. After all of these years as a teacher of Modern Languages, I have decided that I am too weary of responsibility without authority. My work ethic, my skills and abilities, my ambition, are all going down the drain of privatization of public education. My greatest source of relief is that my own adopted and step-children are all finished with the K-12 regimen. I’ve counseled my children that I cannot in good conscience assist in their attainment of public school teaching credentials. If that is the chosen path of any of the eight I have raised, they will have to do so without my blessing or support. I have a tremendous amount of respect for my colleagues and I value greatly my students’ opportunities to receive a quality education. I just don’t want any of my own children to be a part of what has become a “political experiment gone wrong.” The best thing that could happen to my colleagues would be to employ their skills in more lucrative trades. The best thing that could happen to our future students would be the mass exodus of our teaching staff; that is the only “attention-getter” with the potential to motivate the citizenry to block the efforts of the power-elite.
Lee
September 17th, 2012
7:21 pm
Sorry, most whiny “educators”, and I use that term loosely, get no sympathy from me. Hell, I could have bought a small house with what I spent on private school tuition. Tuition that I was compelled to pay because our local public schools, for lack of a better term, sucked.
For years, “educators” have been inflating grades, graduating illiterates, and ignoring the elephants in the room for fear of losing your politically correct merit badges. The end result was that you lost control – first the kids, now your career.
rt
September 17th, 2012
7:36 pm
Lee, I have a few words for you. Go into the classroom and do what we do every day! You probably can’t, perhaps thats why you never taught in the first place. Dont hand me this grade inflation crap. It happens, but its not rampant, at least not in my school.Frankly, I am soooo sick and tired of people like you yapping about how good we have it and how we suck. If you think you can do it better, then do it….I bust my hump every day for those kids, i work until midnight 4 nights a week. I dont take summers off, I tutor, work another part time job, teach Summer School among other things. Don’t yap your mouth until you have lived in our shoes for a couple of years. We do this because we love it, not because of the money. Also, you think your little private school provides a better education than many Public Schools??? HAH! See how your kids do on a standardized test, then come and yap your mouth. I’m Done!
rt
September 17th, 2012
7:39 pm
To add another comment, I have a degree in Operations and Mathematics from the Georgia Institute of Technology, and also an Ed.S. in Education while working on a national certification. SO please dont tell me I suck. How many teachers do you know??? Who makes you the expert??
SPED teacher
September 17th, 2012
7:45 pm
This expresses exactly how I feel also…I am also looking at other avenues..I am tired of teaching and being blamed for all that is wrong with education..I have students who come to me reading on a 1st grade level but have to take a 8th grade test and you are going to fire me when he cannot pass a standardized test..This is wrong and I won’t stand for it.I have been selected as a teacher of the year several times and I KNOW it is my calling BUT I am leaving very soon just like many other great teachers. I only have 12 years left until I can retire and I am ready to go now. I am sad about it because I LOVE teaching but I cannot go to work every day with the threat of losing my job hanging over my head…It is very stressful and I am tired…:(
Ron F.
September 17th, 2012
7:46 pm
Lee: We didn’t lose control, we never had it in Georgia. We are a right to work state, so our power is limited to make substantive change. We’ve lost it as a society, either by the demise of families, by the shrinking numbers of obviously caring parents like yourself, and by the loss of the value of education in the homes of the children we teach. We lost it by trusting our state legislators over the teachers “in the trenches” and by allowing political bumper stickers to guide our decisions. We lost it by trusting a president who never taught a day in his life create the mess of No Child Left Behind. We’ve all lost, and the sins of inflated grades and graduating kids who aren’t ready for life is the result of the policies and mandates set forth by parents, administrators, and politicians. Trust me, most teachers wouldn’t stay if they didn’t care about the kids, and that’s becoming less and less of a reason to keep doing it. We’re not whining; we’re stating the facts. If you were in the system right now, you’d know that.
mountain man
September 17th, 2012
8:03 pm
Good call, SPED teacher – and good luck with your new career. I hope all the administrators LOVE IT when all their teachers leave – good luck with those classes! Fire ‘em if the kids don’t pass!
Former Math Teacher
September 17th, 2012
8:25 pm
I’ve already made the switch, and it is so much less stressful. It was a change for the better for me, but I miss teaching, and my school has had a rough few years.
Mikey D.
September 17th, 2012
8:34 pm
@sayre1:
Your comment is indicative of one of the main problems we are facing as a nation in regards to education: the belief that any fool off the street can step into a classroom and do the job with the expected level of expertise. Yes, there are thousands of ed majors who will be looking for jobs. But, without guidance and mentoring from expert teachers who have “been there and done that”, we are setting those new teachers up for failure, which of course also sets the students up for failure. Teachers have been threatened into silence and obedience with the line “If you don’t like the way things are, then you can leave because there are plenty of others who would gladly take your job!” But we shouldn’t confuse putting a warm body in every classroom with putting a great teacher in every classroom. Believe it or not (and judging by the vitriolic comments posted on this blog every single day, many of you don’t believe it) we do a great deal more than glorified babysitting. If we decide that we can replace every 20+ year veteran with a fresh-out-of-college rookie and still expect the same results or better, then we are truly deluding ourselves.
TimeOut
September 17th, 2012
8:41 pm
Lee, like so many others, you fail to recognize who runs the show in public schools. Teachers have less power to effect change than the students, their parents, and the power brokers on on local, state, and national levels. Like many a corporate employee, many ‘in the trenches’ try to do what is right while a few, mostly ‘pond scum’ reap the rewards of misallocation of resources and other types of corruption. Voters who want to live in a country peopled by literate citizens capable of independent, critical thought, will have to work harder to effect needed changes. Teachers are one but one group among these voters.
TimeOut
September 17th, 2012
8:44 pm
Lee, in sum, you bought a small house to help line the pockets of the power elite who control the contracts, curriculum, and funding formulas of public education. The teachers have none of this control. However, those in power are thrilled to have your anger and blame deflected in their direction while they continue to fleece you and the rest of their constituents.
Here's a thought
September 17th, 2012
8:52 pm
I am on year six and I still enjoy teaching. I don’t enjoy everything about it but I suppose that’s why it’s called work. I do feel fulfilled in my career choice and I am not destitute by any means. I agree that the circus does get old with the politicians and their switching back and forth. I am still hanging on…
Lynn43
September 17th, 2012
8:53 pm
Lee, I hope your children in their prestigious private school do not use the language (cursing) that you use. If so, they will not be long there.
Cindy Lutenbacher
September 17th, 2012
8:53 pm
Lee, I’m sorry that your experience was so terrible. However, to lump all teachers into one category seems very unfair. My guess–and I have no way of knowing–is that most of the teachers who read and respond to this blog are caring, hard-working folks who are seeing the profession and the students they love being destroyed by a cynical, corporate takeover of our schools.
My kids have been in DeKalb schools (and not in wealthy neighborhoods, either), and I’ve witnessed incredibly caring, smart, creative teachers, with only a few folks who were clearly in the wrong profession. Moreover, I’ve witnessed more than a few terrific teachers leave the profession because they refused to or could not in good conscience do what the past decade’s so-called “reforms” required of them. They refused to be part of the harm that NCLB and RttT are doing to kids.
I know that, for a variety of reasons, not every teacher can leave teaching right now, so I want to be clear that I’m not judging one choice or the other. I’m grateful that so many great teachers are still there, fighting for our kids.
I’m just sick that the cartel of corporations, aided and abetted by politicians, has so duped the U.S. citizenry that public education is being completely and totally destroyed. Just wait until real teachers are replaced by automatons who can only read a script from a “best practices” manual and administer bubble tests. I’ve seen some of these scripts, and they are, in short, ludicrous–as ludicrous as a shred of faith that Common Core and its army of standardized tests will tell us anything of value about students and their knowledge, skills, or abilities.That kind of one-size-fits-all approach has nothing to do with leaving no child behind and everything to do with the wholesale heist of our tax dollars. (Do the arithmetic–GA’s RttT grant will be more than swallowed whole by the testing requirements–our state will lose money on that deal.)
And do the research–the standardization of schools with Common Core and bubble tests has NO credible research to support it.
Teachers–hold strong to whatever you need to do. By and large, you are heroes.
old teacher
September 17th, 2012
9:11 pm
Well written article I agree completely. I plan to leave and take early retirement even though I still love the kids. Unfortunantly, the administration and the political interference have ruined education. I can teach or I can do common core, but I cannot do both well and common core is more important to my administration since it brings in federal dollars. I feel that it is time for me to take my misplaced priorities and leave Georgia and teaching.
Mary Elizabeth
September 17th, 2012
9:16 pm
“I know many students over the years who wanted to become teachers, thought it was their life’s calling, come to me later and say they had changed their mind and were no longer pursuing teaching.”
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The teaching profession has been deliberately maligned by those of political power and wealth who have decided to undermine “government” public education, imo, instead of working to improve it from within. They have used inordinate negative propaganda against public education. Malicious intent will produce destructive results.
MLK Jr.: “The moral arc of the universe is long, but it bends toward justice.” Right will out, in time, and that includes the value of the teaching profession being, once again, acknowledged.
Teacher Lady Ma'am
September 17th, 2012
9:17 pm
If you want to see really low morale and bottom of the barrel administration, head south to Bibb County…
Cindy Lutenbacher
September 17th, 2012
9:24 pm
Thank you for your reminder of Dr. King’s faith, Mary Elizabeth!
Mary Elizabeth
September 17th, 2012
9:54 pm
Thank you, Cindy.
Dr. King greatly inspired me when I was a young person, and his impact upon me (and upon many others) has affected my life for the better. In fact, I made a point to be present, last October, on the National Mall in D.C. when his Memorial was dedicated, so that my future grandchildren would know of my commitment to his vision for humanity. I place King, historically, in the same category as Washington, Lincoln, Jefferson in the impact that his life will have had on generations yet to come.
Ron F.
September 17th, 2012
10:25 pm
“If you want to see really low morale and bottom of the barrel administration, head south to Bibb County…”
So I hear. I work with a lady who bailed out on the “miracle” after many years in the system, and she isn’t looking back with any regret. That mess provides yet more proof of one side of the equation for ruining public education: leaders without a clue. When we began appointing superintendents, we handed the keys to the asylum to the worst of the inmates in my opinion.
Dr. John Trotter
September 17th, 2012
11:47 pm
When teachers get tired enough of the bullsh-t, they finally join MACE! We have been talking about these ridiculous things which are perpetrated for education for nearly 20 years. We have not changed our message one scintilla: You cannot have good learning conditions until you first have good teaching conditions. This exact sentiment was in our very first magazine in 1995.
But, some people continue to join groups like PAGE and GAE which is like chickens supporting Chick Fil-A. You cannot serve two masters. How can PAGE and GAE aggressively support and advocate for teachers when the angry and abusive administrators are also members of PAGE and GAE? Ha! It makes no sense.
At MACE, we aggressively defend, protect, and empower teachers like we recently did for the Clayton County teacher who was recently falsely accused. This hearing took four days. The MACE teacher won his caseust the other day…just like the MACE teacher recently won her case in Hart County. In fact, the reporter for the Hartwell Sun newspaper, Vivian Morgan, told me that the MACE attorney, Lowell Chatham, “was phenomenal.” You get what you pay for. If you enjoy sleeping with the enemy, then keep sleeping with the enemy. It’s your choice.
http://www.theteachersadvocate.com
http://www.georgiateachersspeakout.com
Fled
September 18th, 2012
1:14 am
Surely this comes as no surprise. It was clear more than four years ago that the government of the state of Georgia had declared war on education generally, and teachers particularly. I have no regrets about leaving: none at all. I only wish that I had not stayed as long as I did.
Even so, what I am happiest about is that I did not subject my children to school in Georgia. I know there are many good and caring teachers in that benighted, redneck state, but the system is stacked against them. My children are taught by top teachers, who are good (or else they are gone) and who know that the conditions and perks are much better than they would get at home. My oldest just returned from a two-week home stay in Paris, and my least is going to South Africa next month. They are becoming global citizens, and we have taught them by example the idea of getting while the getting is good.
I understand that many teachers in Georgia may not be in a position to leave, and for those people I suggest looking into another field of work. When things improve, if they ever do, you may be in a position to go back to the classroom.
For those whose passion is teaching, think about working abroad, especially for language and science and math people. We actually are quite lucky that people all around the world want our skills and are willing to pay for them.
Had enough yet, Georgia teachers? Give up. Throw in the towel. Flee.
Dr. Craig Spinks/ Georgians for Educational Excellence
September 18th, 2012
2:00 am
Just wait. Your patience will be rewarded.
And, by the way:
EDUCRATS, beware.
Noticed
September 18th, 2012
2:15 am
@ Fled, I that’s exactly what I did.
Mortimer Collins
September 18th, 2012
7:11 am
“Anyway, many of us have gone back to school/ trade school to learn other fields of work in the event we are pushed out of education, which looks like it is about to happen. It is unfortunate as I consider teaching my life’s calling.”
Such a Noble cause. Cant stand the heat get out of the kitchen.
PS…Teachers enjoy too many freebies and perks. Dont beleive a word of it.
Mountain Man
September 18th, 2012
7:34 am
I think it is funny that all these bloggers keep saying that we need to hire and retain only the best teachers, then we make teaching a position that has horrible working conditions and mediocre pay (retirement benefits are good) and expect great teachers to flock to our sides for “altruistic” reasons.
jarvis
September 18th, 2012
7:37 am
Did any of you speak to anyone in the profession before choosing it? This is the same stuff I remember my mom (retired teacher) and her friends saying when I was a kid.
Also as an FYI, I’ve worked in HR for 15 years and have rarely met an ex-teacher that has exceled in the private sector. They surprisingly tend to avoid leadership roles and rather are most happy doing with that requires little variation in task. “That’s not my job”. I assume this has something to do with the personality type that led them to teaching in the first place.
jarvis
September 18th, 2012
7:38 am
Wow….killed that. Should have said….”most happy doing jobs that require little variation in task”
Entitlement Society
September 18th, 2012
8:04 am
anonymous article? I thought it was always frowned upon to post under an anonymous name (like I do!)? Why is this article any different than any other post by teachers on this blog? We get it. Teaching in government schools stinks. You are set up to fail. That’s why my kids aren’t in your classes. I understand the limitations of the system. Nothing is going to change in the school-lifetime of my children, so I have had to sacrifice and find another, albeit horrendously more expensive solution, because this state fails to get public education right. Sure, start the bashing now because I did what was best for my children and got them the heck out of APS’s train wreck of a school system, just as you did to Lee. Falsely label me as elite, racist, whatever. I don’t care. No skin off my back. You will never know or understand what some parents will do to ensure that their children don’t face an educational system like the anonymous teacher described.
This issue isn’t nationwide, it’s Georgia. I was raised in the Midwest in great public schools and it’s still ok to send your children through those systems today. Here is Georgia it’s obviously not. The system is broken, for gosh sakes, look at teacher morale just on these posts alone.
Oh, and to the poster who wanted to see how the private school kids do on the standardized tests? Mine are in the 99% percentile. (that’s without ever being “taught to the test” or whatever they do in public school that teachers complain about being required to do) Yours?
William Casey
September 18th, 2012
8:13 am
@Entitlement: Current teachers post anonymously because of very real retaliation. What’s your excuse? Since your kids are in some vaunted yet anonymous private school, you should have no such fears. BTW— There are great public schools with great teachers in Georgia. I taught at two of them, Chattahoochee and Northview.
William Casey
September 18th, 2012
8:18 am
@Jarvis: Your broad-brush smear of teachers is not only mean-spirited, it is wrong. I know many former teachers who excell in the private sector including two ex-wives. LOL
William Casey
September 18th, 2012
8:24 am
@Mountain Man: Your 7:34 post is absolutely right. Given the changing nature of the profession, where will the excellent teachers of the future come from, especially in science and math?
AlreadySheared
September 18th, 2012
9:21 am
“Lack of Teachers Leaves Students Without Math”
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/lack-teachers-leaves-students-without-math/nSDMm/
(but only for the first MONTH of school – no loss there)
Maureen Downey
September 18th, 2012
9:27 am
@Already, Trying to clarify this story as the school has math teachers, but not one to teach math support, which is described as an elective.
What I don’t get is why the kids had no math as DOE describes math support as “an elective class that should be taught concurrently with a student’s regular mathematics class.”
So, why were these kids having no math?
Can any math teachers help us understand this situation? Was there no digital option here for these kids?
Maureen
Entitlement Society
September 18th, 2012
9:29 am
@Already Sheared. Wow. Crazy story. Wonder how many more like that are out there? How long would that have continued if the parents hadn’t complained?! What an example of complete and total mismangement.
Entitlement Society
September 18th, 2012
9:30 am
@ William Casey – to satisfy your curiousity, my children attend Westminster.
bootney farnsworth
September 18th, 2012
9:44 am
@ entitlement
truly, if I used the exact words to address you as you deserve, I would be banned and never allowed to return.
but there are a few which seem to fit that will be deemed acceptable
-hypocrite: critical of others for doing what you do. either put your name out publicly and post under it, or in this matter stop posting.
-ignorant: you obviously have no clue what occurs within the system you criticize.
-obstinate: you obviously have no desire to learn what you do not know
-bigot: Delta is ready when you are. don’t like us dumb ole southerns-get the hell out. we survived before you, and will do at least as well when you’re gone.
-troll: you offer no solutions, just criticisms. nor is there any evidence you have any interest in offering any if you had them
-coward: you toss lots of bombs, flame hard working educators, and yet have offered zero evidence
you have anything to bring forward (besides yapping, which doesn’t help) to help
all of which equals one last word
-problem: yup, you are the problem. much more than any stupid government regulations, idiot supervisors, cronyistic administrations, the main problem is you and everyone who posts like you.
you don’t walk your talk. if parents like you put 1/5 the energy into fixing the system that you do in bitching about it, we wouldn’t be where we are now.
bootney farnsworth
September 18th, 2012
9:47 am
@ William
its time for us to fold the tents and let entitlement and jarvis have their way.
trying to save education is like Lee just before Appomattox.
BlahBlahBlah
September 18th, 2012
9:51 am
What do teachers think the answer is? What’s a proper way to evaluate them? I understand their frustration, but it seems like they just want to keep a system that appears to just blindly declare 90% (or more) of the teaching population are “excellent”, “outstanding”, “above average”, etc.
That’s just not possible.
bootney farnsworth
September 18th, 2012
9:54 am
@ William,
in the long term, getting dumped by GPC is gonna prove to be the best thing for me long term. I was -WAS – a committed educator, determined to do my part to help fix the system.
all it got me was a shove out the door at the first convenient opportunity.
when I land on my feet, and I will land on my feet (sorry Jarvis, us ex educators do just fine in the “real world”. perhaps you should review your hiring practices) it will take me a couple years to fill the hole I’m in now, but I will ultimately do better for myself and my family if I had remained in education
trying to hold back the tide.
AlreadySheared
September 18th, 2012
9:58 am
Body of the story indicated that SW Dekalb HAD 15 math teachers but needed 17 to teach the additional math support classes students signed up for. They just finished hiring in 2 additional math teachers who start soon.
In my opinion, a “digital option” for math support students is a joke – kids that struggled with a teacher leading them are NOT going to succeed with a self-paced, independent study digital instruction program.
Maureen Downey
September 18th, 2012
10:00 am
@Already, I saw that but what I don’t get is why those kids weren’t in one of the core math classes as DOE says a math support elective should be taught in conjunction with a regular class.
I have asked DeKalb to clarify whether it was following DOE policy on this issue, which means those kids should have been in some math class.
The research on Khan math tutorials suggests that online math tutorials actually work quite well. If the option was no math versus some quality online program, I would have gone with the online option.
Maureen
bootney farnsworth
September 18th, 2012
10:07 am
@ blah
what do we want? how long you got?
here are a couple of things we’d love.
1-parents who actually are involved, not just whining when Johnny doesn’t get an A.
2-either a union, or some legitimate form of watchdog to keep the state and administrators from using and abusing us for personal and petty reasons.
3-the ability to actually put disruptive kids out, and keep them out.
4-the ability to issue the grade the kid actually makes without administrative pressure to inflate it
5-an end to the endless crap which flows from Washington. we are not social petri dishes for someone’s latest fad.
6-for legislators like Fran Millar to put facts where his mouth is.
7-a seat at the table. contrary to what Fran & co tell the public, we’re not opposed to merit pay. we all know dead weight making the same amount as some highly motivated achiever down the hall. what we DO want – Fran, you listening this time- is a seat at the table setting the criteria. what we will NOT accept is people like Fran setting politically motivated criteria to evaluate us
jarvis
September 18th, 2012
10:36 am
@bootney farnsworth, in my humble opinion no public workforce should be allowed to unionize. Collective bargaining has no place in the context of tax dollar allocation.
AlreadySheared
September 18th, 2012
10:36 am
@Maureen,
1) I really like the Khan tutorials, and
2) a really strong student can actually learn math mostly on his/her own from a good textbook.
Again, however, it looks like this is an issue with math SUPPORT. To learn math, the students have to learn the material and then DO THE WORK to reinforce their learning. If they were capable of doing that on their own, by definition they wouldn’t have ended up in math support in the first place.
cris
September 18th, 2012
10:55 am
I am demoralized….I still enjoy my time with students and I still feel like I am an effective educator with students. What demoralizes me are the hoops that we are being asked to jump through to “prove” we are doing our jobs – come into my classroom – anytime! – and you will see I’m doing my job! The fact that federal dollars that cause the hoop-jumping never actually make it to the classroom – money is used for tests and to hire people to tell us how to 1)administer the test 2)grade the test 3) use the data from the test. Have 10 years to go…..hope I can continue to keep a good attitude around my students and just let the NCLB/RttT/Common Core/assorted other “miracles” that will come down the line within my time (hey – 10 years! Maybe, just maybe Common core is the LAST “solution” I will be subjected to!)
Entitlement Society
September 18th, 2012
11:01 am
@bootney – I didn’t read your blabber past #1, as in my comment I admitted to using a moniker rather than a real name. You also don’t use your real name, so I don’t understand why that’s a problem for you that I don’t when you do the same… true definition of the word…
teacher&mom
September 18th, 2012
11:35 am
@Maureen: Wait until Oct. and then contact TRS. Rumor has it a large number of teachers will be retiring mid-year. We have several in my small system. As a general rule, mid-year retirements are a rare event.
10:10 am
September 18th, 2012
12:27 pm
Get Schooled remains the mouthpiece of anti-choice, anti-reform reactionaries … and drama queens who forever threaten to leave teaching BUT NEVER DO.
William Casey
September 18th, 2012
1:12 pm
@Entitlement: I DO use my real name so I can call you out on the pseudonym issue. Perhaps I’ll start using “Silver Spoon” and claim that my degree is from Harvard. I’m sure that you get the point. BTW– Westminster is a fine school. My son is a math guy, so Northview was plenty good enough for him (and a lot less expensive.)
Just A Teacher
September 18th, 2012
1:54 pm
It just isn’t worth the trouble to complain anymore. I’ll just work here until a decent job opens up somewhere else and then leave with no fanfare and only one regret: that I didn’t get out earlier.
bootney farnsworth
September 18th, 2012
1:55 pm
@ entitlement,
of course you read it. so we can add disingenuous to the list.
the reason I use a pseudonym is well known. GPC wanted to hang my scalp on the wall for making public several things they wanted kept quiet. like Digger, who posts here occasionally, I am in the middle of exploring all my options, including possible legal action, with the USG.
if I went public, the full fury of the system would come down against me, and probably blackball me.
I protect my identity to protect myself.
you?
bootney farnsworth
September 18th, 2012
1:58 pm
@ jarvis
regarding unions: you are entitled to your opinion. in mine, the state of Georgia has lost that bargaining chip by due to corruption, back room dealing, and plain old fashioned stupidity.
as state workers, we did not surrender our civil/constitutional rights. including the right of peaceful assembly and freedom of speech.
bootney farnsworth
September 18th, 2012
1:59 pm
@ Teacher/mom
retiring by choice, or forced out?
Beverly Fraud
September 18th, 2012
3:37 pm
“But, some people continue to join groups like PAGE and GAE which is like chickens supporting Chick Fil-A.”
Given their longstanding lack of advocacy for teachers in cases where administrative feathers (no pun intended) might be ruffled, you could even say it’s like gay chickens supporting Chick-Fil-A.
And who could ever take Donna Lowery seriously again after a decade’s worth of shilling for Beverly Hall?
teacher&mom
September 18th, 2012
4:10 pm
@Bootney: retiring by choice. The change in the 3% income tax just ain’t worth the aggravation of sticking around.
LillieGirl
September 18th, 2012
4:33 pm
@Bootney. I was forced out of teaching after putting in 24 years in this state. To add insult to injury, I was offered a position as a parapro. I miss the kids but I don’t miss dealing with slimey administrators or helicoptor parents.
bootney farnsworth
September 18th, 2012
7:14 pm
@ lillie,
I feel you. I served this state across 4 decades only to be told by people making more than twice what I did I was too expensive to keep around.
riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight
Pride and Joy
September 18th, 2012
7:44 pm
This statement is just wrong “Charter schools generally do no better than their public school counterparts. This is absolutely true. I have the data to back it up so there is no room for argument on this one.”
Show the data. Show especially how Drew Charter school, almost all black and all poor outperforms its local school, Coan, in every measurement. So go ahead and bring your data. It’s one thng to say it, another to prove it.
Just A Teacher
September 18th, 2012
7:52 pm
At least i know I’m not alone in what I’m feeling. We public school teachers did not cause the economy to crash in 2008, but we have been dealing with the garbage left behind by those Wall Street idiots and their political lackeys ever since. I don’t understand the problem. We educate children. It is the most important and most patriotic job anyone can have in our society, but we are demonized for asking for the respect and compensation we are due. People who can’t even rear their own children are constantly trying to tell us how to teach dozens of kids at a time. But don’t ask them to actually pay for our services. Any warm body can fill our positions. That’s just funny to me. We are a highly educated, specialized and elite work force, but the respect afforded to us is more on the level of a grocery clerk than someone with an advanced degree. Like I said, it’s time for us to be given the respect and compensation we deserve or leave the field en mass.
I love teaching. I hate what it is becoming...
September 18th, 2012
8:23 pm
@Pride and Joy “Show the data. Show especially how Drew Charter school, almost all black and all poor outperforms its local school, Coan, in every measurement. So go ahead and bring your data. It’s one thing to say it, another to prove it.”
You do realize that ONE school does not disprove the statement that Charter schools (in general) do no better than their traditional counterparts, right? As to the data – just Google “Charter schools verses public school performance.” There are numerous studies.
As it turns out, findings are mixed. Charter performance varies from state to state. Charters runs by management companies tend to do better that those that are not. At the elementary level, traditional public schools tend to do better – at least in California. Low SES urban students seem better served in Charters, but other populations do not …. etc.
Here are a few exeprts from various studies.
From Newsweek: “…a study by Stanford University’s Center for Research on Educational Outcomes (CREDO) found that 37 percent of charter schools produce academic results that are worse than public schools, while only 17 percent perform significantly better. Earlier studies sponsored by the American Federation of Teachers, the second-largest teachers’ union, had produced similar results, but they were suspect, since unions stood to lose from the charter-school movement. CREDO, on the other hand, is part of the Hoover Institution, known for favoring free-market solutions. “The perception that charters are per se better than other public schools has been belied by the facts,” says Randi Weingarten, president of the AFT.
From CS Montior: “When you take a look at our findings and then look back at previous studies, they start to follow a pattern,” says Philip Gleason, the study’s director and a senior fellow at Mathematica Policy Research, which produced the study. “Studies that have focused on the largest set of schools find either no or negative effects, but schools in larger urban areas, serving the most disadvantaged students, do have an effect.” ….the charters that work best are those serving lower-income students, especially in urban areas.
From Data First: On average, nationally, students in 17 percent of charter schools performed significantly better than if they had attended their neighborhood traditional public school.
On the flip side, students in 37 percent of charter schools performed significantly worse, and students in the remaining 46 percent of charter schools did not perform significantly better or worse than if they had attended their neighborhood traditional public school. However, research also shows that students in charter high schools score higher on college entrance exams (e.g., the SAT or ACT) and are more likely to graduate high school and attend college than similar students in traditional public schools.
So, as you can see. Mixed results. Rather like traditional schools!
teacher burn out
September 18th, 2012
9:11 pm
Well, my morale is in the toilet. It’s been in the toilet since school started, and I can tell you it didn’t start that way. I started this school year on a positive note. They did not need to trash my morale, and yet they went right ahead did it, and they seem hell bent on continuing to flush it down the sewer. Everything from continuing to insist on installing administrators who possess little to no real leadership qualities (what dark cave are they GETTING these people from??) to throwing 20 new things at us all at once and then refusing to even give us hints as to how to correctly implement them much less incorporate them into a teaching day…which now needs to be about 6 hours longer anyway, so I can do all their new initiatives I’ve not been given any training to do.
I’m tired. I’m overworked and undervalued. I’m not going to complain about the pay–I didn’t get into this profession to make a 6 figure salary, and I’m okay with what I do make (but then…I’m not a young teacher who’s been pulling down $35,000 for this level of stress since the economy collapsed).
And I’m also not going to lie–I take my summers off. Maybe a staff development class here and there, but I take a good 6-7 weeks off for myself. And not one of you ridiculous trolls I see pop in here to create havoc and mayhem can say a single thing to make me feel bad about it or raise my dander about my decision to do that. From the second I start the school year, to the second it ends, I bust my butt for those kids (the same children that I know and you know–and I know you know and that’s why you leave your sad, ignorant anti-teacher flames–would eat less experienced people alive and in a fetal position in a classroom corner in a matter of mere minutes).
How many CEO’s would go in over the summer and set up their office in the dark and the heat–no electricity over the summer months allowed due to company budget cuts.I get in at 7:30 am, sometimes sooner, and don’t leave until 5:30, sometimes later. There have been times over the last 7 weeks I’ve worked from 7 am to 7 pm straight, gone home, had scrambled eggs and toast for dinner, and gone to bed. My 3 year old is getting the short end of the stick, and I’m having to make the most of our weekends–I’m resentful and angry about that, but we do need my income and so I do what every working parent does. My best. I take work home on the weekends–usually about 5 or 6 hours’ worth. I’m always looking for new ideas and materials to teach–especially now with Common Core. It’s intense…it may not have to be; I don’t know. I haven’t had any training, so I’ve been having to train myself during my off duty hours. So with the kind of salary I earn + the kind of work I put in? August-May equals, I figure, about a 12 month contract in Corporate America.
My Corporate America exec friends agree with that. Maybe because they put in the same hours for on average $20,000 more a year…or maybe because they’re constantly horrified by the amount of money I regularly spend out of my own pocket on my job (due to GA austerity cuts, I now must buy all my own copy paper, laser printer cartridges–I don’t technically have to do this, but if I do not, I will not have enough supplemental materials with which to teach–and I hate teaching out of teacher manuals and student textbooks, snore. And I’ve always bought my own extra craft and special holiday materials, classroom decor items, supplemental teaching materials, because most teachers love their students and want to make school a fun, comfortable, colorful place to be. And I also buy student supplies because I work in an area mommy and daddy just assume they’re entitled to them…or just because they’re entitled; entitlement is a huge and growing problem, and I see it in *all* socio-economic areas, not just the one Mitt Romney wants to point at).
In other words, what I’m saying is: burn out is always just around the corner for me and always has been. I fight it constantly. Teaching is a rough profession; it is not for the weak or naive. For the last 18 years, I’ve managed to beat the burn out. Summers help. If I had to work summers, I’d be heavily medicated or institutionalized at this point–which, right now, both sound far more enjoyable than dealing the increasing amount of bull manure and bureaucracy that has become American Public Ed. But this year, it’s starting to beat me….I’m starting to look for jobs in the public sector. And I’m fine with working in the summer…I just want my frickin’ life back.
But I’m RESENTFUL about that! I’m so *expletive* resentful, not because of losing summers off–I’d work year round for even less money if I could have autonomy, parental/public support, and could do what I know is in children’s best interest and not this educational malpractice we’ve been forced into over the last 12+ years. I love(d) this job. Children are my passion, and the teaching part of the job brings me intense, explosive joy. But I cannot continue to work under the current conditions. Under the current conditions, I can barely drag myself out of bed each morning, and throw a low barometric pressure day into the mix and I’m just done. And if somebody adds something new to my plate this year or next, I may just walk out on my contract and go work as a meter maid or something the public agrees is just as deplorable as teachers. In fact, if somebody came to me tomorrow and offered me a job making comparable to what I make now, I *know* I’d walk out on my contract, and I wouldn’t look back. I would deeply miss working with children, and I would long for those fun, THIS-is-why-I-do-this moments. But I would know in my heart I did the right thing. American public education, pre-NCLB, had its problems. But it was not the quagmire it is now. I would LOVE to do something different but just as worthwhile. Even writing parking tickets for a company with questionable ethics. THAT’S how bad it is right now.
So throw me a bone, Georgia politicians and public. Let me know you care whether a teacher with 18 years’ experience, who is pretty skilled and qualified at what she does, matters to you. I read comments sections of blogs like this all the time, and the general attitude of some of you in the general sector disgusts, amazes, and disheartens me. Sometimes it gives me hope. But if you’re blaming teachers for what’s going on in public education right now, you’re part of the problem not the solution. I promise, and swear on my only child’s life you are.
If I knew the vast majority of the American public had my back, I might have a little more fight in me. But right now, I’m just tired. I worked an 11 hour day today, and it was a rainy day. We were cramped in my tight little classroom trailer, and I got to deal with one of the most passive aggressive, entitled parent notes ever. And more nonsense information about the 10 new initiatives I’m expected to be awesome at this year.
It’s exhausting. I want out more and more every year. And I really hate that.
Jordan Kohanim
September 18th, 2012
10:09 pm
teacher burn out-
I care. I appreciate you. THANK YOU for doing what I cannot. Thank you for sacrificing.For my part, I will continue to write and advocate for teachers like you.
Hopefully you won’t leave, but please remember you are only human. Do not feel bad for being resentful. It is understandable in times like these.
Again.You aren’t told it often enough, but thank you to all the teachers that brave/rejoice/stress/love and come back again every year.
CharterStarter, Too
September 23rd, 2012
12:50 pm
To the teacher who wrote the letter:
I want you to know that I agree with you on almost every point. It is extraordinarily troubling at the morale issues facing our educators in public education today. Teachers in public schools deal with more and more discipline issues in the classroom, greater burdens of paperwork that adds nothing to instruction, continued accountability with less support, and shrinking resources.
I believe, however, that the reasons for these issues lie in poor leadership at the district level – districts don’t enforce and support their educators regarding disciplinary matters. Paperwork is created by the central office staff inventing processes around “accountability,” “data,” and “rigor” and invest in programs – none of which get at the heart of what drives learning: engagement of students, excitement and skill of the teacher in the room, and the overall school and classroom culture. Rather than asking for teachers’ voices in what would help THEM to be be successful, more accountability measures are piled on top. Teachers lack a voice in what happens in their schools, and in large part, in their classrooms. And resources are certainly shrinking overall in our state, and especially in classrooms. If anyone would take the time to research where their districts are SPENDING their money, you will see that these district decisions to invest in travel, lobbying, and salaries at the central office are the culprits driving furlough days, reduced instructional days, and reduced classroom resources.
Charters are generally started BY teachers and community members – their voices are extremely important. Without central administration in most charters, more can be invested in the classrooms. Generally the leadership teams in the school drive processes that happen in the school. You’ll find high morale in most charters and very unique school cultures.
As for performance – in our state, charters are out performing districts schools from where they serve kids in almost every case. For those who haven’t, they have been non-renewed or shuttered. You can go off averages, but when you compare apples to apples – that is, the same community, you will see that our charters here are very successful with the children.
Charters are PUSHING districts to do better – NOT in denigrating the teachers, but in shining a light on the district priorities and issues that negatively impact educators and the impact they can have on children. We are not the enemy. if charters succeed in pushing districts to make positive changes, your experience as an educator will greatly improve. Thank you for your commitment to the children you serve.