Here is the video urging private school parents to “scam” state for tuition money
UPDATE on Thursday morning: Please note that the video has been removed. I suspect that the public outrage drove that decision.
Here is the video explanation of the state’s private school state scholarship by state Rep. David Casas, R-Lilburn. Please look at this to fully understand how this Legislature-approved program — characterized as a way for poor children in persistently failing schools to afford private schools — has become a back door for middle class parents to use tax dollars to pay their private school tuition bills.
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catlady
May 24th, 2012
11:27 am
But, Ms. Downey, wasn’t it passed by the legislature and signed by the governor with a wink, wink, nod, nod? Did ANY rational, observant person think that it would not end up being misused in this way? Is anyone surprised that it was written without oversight?
Do you recall any bill passed by our legislators and signed by our Governor lately that has been ONLY to help the poor kids/families? Or has every one of them had a “payoff” for some other group written in?
Maureen Downey
May 24th, 2012
11:34 am
@catlady, It was clear that this bill was written to allow loopholes, but the blatancy of the abuses surprises me. And also the recasting of the purpose of this bill.
Maureen
Just A Teacher
May 24th, 2012
11:40 am
@ It is to laugh . . . Too funny! Hey! Why don’t we take up a collection from the faculty to pay their scholarships? We can designate which child gets it. Right?
the cat
May 24th, 2012
11:42 am
Call me a conspiracy theorist but I still think there has to be a correlation between this and the huge expansions at both Killian Hill and Greater Atlanta. Not too long ago, these were schools with a very limited enrollment and today their campuses rival a small university.
Mary Elizabeth
May 24th, 2012
12:29 pm
@83jacket, 10:12 am
“The Cat…I see the difference but Mary Elizabeth does not.”
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I am an advocate for public schools because I have an egalitarian vision of humanity, and have had all of my life. However, I do not disparage parents who wish to pay themselves for sending their children to private schools, as long as they do not use public tax funds which were meant for public school schools and for public school children, to do so.
Moreover, I do not think that we, as a society, should close our collective eyes to the underlying reason that many wish to use public tax money to send their children to private schools today. Earlier in Georgia’s history, trying to send white children to private schools in order to avoid integration left a moral stain on Georgia, that most will now acknowledge. Today, trying to use public tax funds to send one’s children to private schools will undermine public schools for the majority of Georgia’s children because doing so will deplete public school funds meant for all of Georgia’s children. Moreover, doing so will send a strong message that some are “more equal” than others, which is a hierarchial vision of humanity. This hierarchial perception of mankind that was present in the class system of Great Britain when our founders formed the more egalitarian American colonies. That hierarchial vision was also present in the Antebellum South and it continued in the South through the days of Jim Crow. A hierarchial vision is also present, today, in the ideological penchant for dismantling public schools for private ones, in which some are considered to be more “privileged” than others. Our nation was founded on an egalitarian vision of humanity, not a hierarchial one. That is why Thomas Jefferson supported public education. To the extent that each of us contributes toward furthering that egalitarian vision, to that extent we have made our state and our nation proud. History will not look kindly upon this current political penchant for dismantling public schools any more favorably than it has upon the white Southerners flight to private schools of the 1950s and 1960s.
Brasstown
May 24th, 2012
1:38 pm
Original video has now been removed from youtube. Many private schools have a link to this video on their websites. Sort of a “how to…” primer, I guess. It now takes you to a blank screen.
This is apparently going to be a very large scandal.
Thewayifeel
May 24th, 2012
2:25 pm
@Mary Elizabeth – Was that a paper you had to write for your Ed Leadership degree? Jeeesh. NCLB was of public education. But what the hell has OBAMA done to make it better? I voted for him thinking we’d get relief…but we got more of thE same…just more expensive. Our kids (soldiers) are still dying all over the globe. And ask a DeKalb county teacher if they are better off today. Get real. Dems and Reps…they are both on the take. THE BOTTOM LINE IS MONEY DOES NOT EQUATE TO A SOUND EDUCATION! PARENTING DOES. AND IF YOU START TO LIMIT MONEY IN PUBLIC EDUCATION YOU ALL SCREAM BECAUSE ITS LIEK A MAGIC FIX…LIKE A COMPULSIVE EATER WHO SOMEHOW FEELS LIKE BUYING A GYM MEMBERSHIP WILL HELP THEM…YET NEVER STEP FOOT IN THE GYM. YOU ALL OR FOOLS. GET YOUR KIDS IN PRIVATE SCHOOLS AS FAST AS YOU CAN. IT’S THERE ONLY HOPE…BECAUSE YOU CONTROL THE CURRICULUM AND THE LEARNING MUST BE SUPPRTED IN THE HOUSE FOR THE CHILD TO BE SUCCESSFUL. “OOO..THAT’S TOO HARD!”
A Conservative Voice
May 24th, 2012
2:54 pm
@catlady
May 24th, 2012
9:12 am
Conservative Voice: How old are you and where did you grow up?
To Catlady – I’m still maturing and if you would pay closer attention, you wouldn’t have to ask
Mary Elizabeth
May 24th, 2012
2:57 pm
@Thewayifeel, 2:25 pm
I taught within public schools in the greater Atlanta area for over 30 years, 16 of which were in an all black high school. Public schools can be improved from within, if there is the will to do so. That is the better alternative than simply giving up on public education and, then, trying to educate the masses of children in Georgia through private education. There will always be some form of public schools, but, if there is a concentrated effort to dismantle public education for private education, the resources needed for improving public education will become even more depleted. Georgia has already lost many years of improving public education because Georgia’s legislators and governors have been underfunding public education by billions of dollars in the last decade.
To create a society in which we have more responsible parents of children, we must improve public education and refocus upon the disadvantaged in society-at-large.
Colonel Jack
May 24th, 2012
3:32 pm
Gee, ThewayIfeel, don’t mince words. What do you *Really* think?
concernedparent
May 24th, 2012
3:51 pm
“has become a back door for middle class parents to use THEIR tax dollars to pay their private school tuition bills.”
Fixed it for you.
Perfect libtard speak. You pay for your kid to go to a private school. You file to get a tiny portion back since you don’t utilize the poorly organized and run public school – but its robbery? SMDH
Shar
May 24th, 2012
4:13 pm
@concerned parent – The people who don’t have children don’t get a “tiny” portion of their taxes back. The people who pay for the roads you use, the emergency services you rely on, the Medicare your parents or grandparents need, the defense of your country – they don’t get a portion of their taxes back because you use the services provided instead of them.
You pay taxes for the greater good. You elect representatives who are supposed to work toward that greater good, even though the current crop is disgustingly self-interested and insulated from real competition (else why would Casas be so excited about sending his kids to Killian on this dime?) We are appalled when Sonny Perdue uses taxpayer money to increase the value of his holdings, and we should be. That money is not his, it’s ours. And so is funding for public schools.
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You don’t like the public schools? Fine. Either work to fix them or take your kids out. I have done both. But neither of those things excuses you from paying taxes to support education, even if your personal kid is not taking advantage of the spending..
Maureen Downey
May 24th, 2012
4:23 pm
@Shar, A reader called me about this issue. She is retired doctor, owns two homes and doesn’t own a car. Single and no kids. She says her tax burden for her house here and her second home in Cape Cod is $21,000. She has never had police at either of her houses. Never had a fire. Lives in a community with its own security detail. She noted that based on what some people are saying on this blog, she is entitled to most of her taxes back.
She doesn’t want them back but she wanted to note that she is far more claim that a lot of other people.
catlady
May 24th, 2012
4:55 pm
Conservative Voice–guess I am too distractable. I gather from your comments you are much younger than I and perhaps did not grow up in the deep South.
Ms. Downey, Blatant? Think about the other out-and-out blatant things done by our legislators and other elected officials over the last 5 years or so. I find I am not shocked at all. In fact, it has become de rigeur. It makes me sick! I don’t vote for these people, yet my neighbors (none of them wealthy) let it pass and see no tie-in to their own lives. And we kept getting bled dry.
Mary Elizabeth
May 24th, 2012
5:04 pm
I am grateful to the retired single doctor with no kids for calling Maureen Downey to make the case that, although she does not want her taxes back, she has far more claim to have them back than a lot of other people.
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Perhaps the point needs to be underscored, for some.
As the movement for private education at taxpayers’ expense escalates, so will the thinking and the feelings of many citizens that they should not have to pay their taxes for educating other people’s children if they have no children of their own in school (as is true with myself, also, although like the retired doctor, I gladly pay property taxes to support the public education for all of society’s children).
If this way of thinking were to dominate the minds and hearts of America’s citizens, then gone will be the idea that paying taxes to support “the common good” and of “promoting the general welfare” of the population, as the Preamble to the U.S. Constitution states, are values to hold dear in America. Are we to become a nation whose vision for humanity will become so small that we can only think of “what is good for me and mine”? Can we not see what this momentum for business control of education and for private schools to supplant public schools, en masse, is doing to our national consciousness? We are, each, interconnected – one with another – in our nation. America has not, yet, become a place where each person perceives that he or she is “an island unto itself.” Hopefully, we will not let that happen. That consciousness would diminish the soul of America.
Shar
May 24th, 2012
5:27 pm
There is no doubt that the selfish, blind arrogance of the people who run public schools – they who use them primarily as a place to employ friends, family and those who can confer power, they who have run them as a graft-and-embezzlement free for all, they who have approved of cheating to cover up their utter lack of concern for educating the most vulnerable among us – have brought this on by never taking the complaints and concerns of taxpayers and parents seriously enough to change their own ways. And the parents of children in the schools who have demanded more services for themselves, more benefits for their children, more grade inflation and are willing to do less and less either as parents or volunteers – they too have degraded the reputation and ability of public schools until the general public doubts the value that those schools provide in return for the tax investment.
Unscrupulous politicians who are indebted to ‘donors’ who control their access to voters and groom them with lots of money and perks take advantage of the completely legitimate frustration of taxpayers and sneak in laws like this one, or the vile charter amendment that the repellent Jan Jones rammed through with threats and lies, painting them as “improvements” and “for the children” when these liars have no more interest in the children’s well being – or, through them, the country’s future – than do the self-centered bureaucrats in the school districts.
That does not make these laws right, They assault the very justification for taxation itself, the very notion of working together to provide the elements that permit us all to live as we do. You don’t get a tax rebate for not using the public schools any more than you get one from the defense budget because your kid is not in the active military, or one from the city because you did not call 911 for the year. We all rely on those services being available and we all reap the benefit that they provide, whether or not we individually choose to participate.
Casas, Jones and their ilk have done far more damage than the likes of the repugnant Beverly Hall. They have set loose their own demons of selfish self interest upon those of us who try to act responsibly as citizens, and the ugly result is seen in the nasty, squirmy effort to justify this pandering.
Anonmom
May 24th, 2012
5:32 pm
fyi — our non-sectarian private school plays the nice Chrstian schools in sports and their sportsmanship oftentimes leaves alot to be desired – as a non-Christian I oftentime find the irony in this interensting (even after we read all sorts of statemetns about sportmanship…. and “say” the prayer before the game….). I think the point that many miss on the discussion is that there is so much corruption and active misuse of the many millions of dollars coming into the public school coffers so the fact that some parents have the abiltiy to get some of these funds into the hands of private schools, which are (at least a number of them) doing an excellent job actually educating kids and also peeling very deserving kids out of the public system and into these schools — as set forth by the Westminster letter and at my school — this is, in my opinion — a higher and better use of the money than what is happening at the local public school level wit the corruption and ethical issues at the local level.
Shar
May 24th, 2012
5:43 pm
AnonMom, with that logic I should get the taxes I pay into the Department of Defense budget because “there is so much corruption and active misuse of the many millions of dollars coming into their coffers” plus I don’t agree with much of what the DoD is doing. PLUS none of my kids are going into the military at this point, so I should find some way to get a refund and send the money to some private security place that is “doing an excellent job.”
No. While I absolutely agree that the public schools have set themselves up for this kind of grave doubt as to their value due to their stupid, stubborn, self-interested prioritization of promoting the bureaucracy at the expense of delivering education, that is no justification for abnegating the citizens’ responsibilities toward each other and toward the future of the country. You don’t get to decide “a higher and better use of the money”. You hire representatives who are entrusted to identify that through debate and compromise, for the benefit of ALL. It’s frustrating, to be sure, but its better than any other system that exists. And people like Casas and his far-too-numerous allies are doing everything they can to strip down that national compact.
North Fulton Parent
May 24th, 2012
6:42 pm
This thread is making me feel so smart for educating my children in public school!!! Years ago I had a hunch that public school would better suit my two children and their educational needs. Truly, it is so difficult to know what type of student an elementary aged child will become in middle school, harder yet projecting forward to high school. Now we are emerging from the other end of the public school odyssey and, I must say, hurray for public school!
A little sleuthing on the internet shows that our little old public high school competes very nicely against two of the private Christian schools mentioned in this thread.
Greater Christian: Average SAT 1730, number of APs offered: 13
Killian Hill Christian: Average SAT 1768, number of APs offered: 5
Alpharetta High School: Average SAT 1679, number of APs offered: 31 !!!!! Not 3 and 1, 31!!!
And just remember, Alpharetta High school has a special ed center with a distinct program catering to students with the most intense physical and educational needs. As with all public schools, it takes everyone in the area no matter the color of their skin, the language they speak or their performance on a placement test.
And I won’t get into specific numbers, but as a junior my child far outperformed the average SAT scores for both Greater Christian and Killian the very first time she took the SAT. Actually, both of my kids came close to those scores when they took the SAT for the Duke TIP program in 7th grade. My child will graduate next year with 7 AP courses and over a dozen honors classes. Bring it on Christian schools!!!!
Thank you, thank you. This is the validation I needed after years of choosing public over private.
If I were Sen Casas I’d be asking for my tuition money back. Hey wait… maybe we should all ask for his tuition money back since $2,000 were actually tax payer dollars!
Ron F.
May 24th, 2012
8:04 pm
Wow, just….wow. The video is bad enough, but reading the justifications for this is beyond incredible. As I fight, literally every single day, to educate the children I have no choice but to accept, I am just numb from reading the justifications for this obvious abuse of a system that we were duped into believing was supposed to help disadvantaged kids. It just makes me all the more devoted to my kids and all the more determined to do all I can to prove the public school attackers wrong. You get what you give in this life and those who cheat, well, they too will get what they give.
North Fulton Parent
May 24th, 2012
9:28 pm
I am glad that this misuse of public funds by our elected officials is coming to light before the November constitutional amendment to promote “school choice”. Just remember that this grab at public tax dollars for private use was advertised as a leg up for truly needy children. The constitutional amendment will be sold to Georgia voters as a means of granting increased “choice” to parents. In actuality it will be a Trojan horse to divert public funds and to bring in private entities to run schools with no oversight by elected representatives who answer to the voters in your area.
The determiners of state sanctioned charter schools will be a board of appointed cronies who do not answer to taxpayers. Two main questions have never been answered:
What is the funding stream that supports these schools?
Who appoints the members of the charter school commission?
To date, these questions have not been answered. Further, it is possible that neither question will be answered prior to the amendment vote in November.
This recent story regarding school scholarships and the misappropriation of those funds, should be a warning call for all of us. The “school choice amendment” will be the Trojan horse that diverts public funds to sleazy crony organizations. The two stories are running parallel.
BTW, two other points…… Everyone on this blog who is admitting to utilizing tax funds intended for needy children to subsidize tuition for their middle class student is doing something extremely unethical, and likely illegal under tax law.
Second, my heart truly goes out to those who feel their child is not served in public school. Do your best to dig in and get results. In doing so you serve not just your child, but many, many others. A good public school serves hundreds or thousands of students every day.
Years ago when the state of Georgia changed the math curriculum I was one of many parents who dug in their heels, forced the state to produce data showing results and in the absence of results, forced change. It wasn’t easy, but it was important. It would have been far easier to have yanked my kids and stuck them in private school. But that would have fixed the situation for only a few kids, leaving many others to fall behind. Ultimately, it would have been the wrong choice.
Anonmom
May 24th, 2012
9:39 pm
When done “properly” the funds collected correctly by Westminister and Pace and other schools properly using these tax credtis are using the money to get minority kids out of the inner city, failing schools (you know, the ones that have been cheating on the CRCT and doing other things that aren’t great for education) and putting these kids into really good private schools. The fact that I get to contribute a bit of my own tax money, when I’m in a very high tax bracket without tax shelters like the very wealthy as we’re the working upper middle class, and also feel compelled to send my own kids to a private school because my goverment school did a horrendous job educating my eldest, who was not nearly as prepared for college, coming from his “top” public high school as my 2 younger children are from their top private high school, is a tiny sliver of light in the horrible tax bracket I find myself in with no breaks on the after tax dollars I pay for this tuition for 3 kids (2 in high school and 1 in college). I don’t recieve any credit on my own tuition from the few thousand I get to contribute towards this fund and the minority kids who are able to attend the school gain a tremendous amount for being able to attend the school. When done properly it can be “win win” — there’s a cost for these kids to be in the public system as well and they are not there so the funds being diverted away aren’t being spent on the child either. If we had true school choice (even just amongs public schools) and true fiscal, forensic, accountability, then these programs wouldn’t be so attractive. I do not like and do not appreciate the “gaming” of it and think the “gamers” should be prosecuted. That’s a different story (I think those gaming the system and wasting public school funds should also be investigated and prosecuted — people should do the right thing and use the money the right way across the board).
Anonmom
May 24th, 2012
9:51 pm
Shar — the Department of Defense analogy doens’t work — the function of governement at its very core is to protect the nation — that is really what it is there for. We can’t exist as a nation wihout our defense. How we do that? I don’t know — I’m not military (although I was born on a base)…. I just feel very strongly that we cease to exist as a country if we can’t and don’t defend ourself. This is core function of government. There are arguments to be made that education isn’t really a core function of government and that we could be better off if we made people responsible for educating their own offspring (no I’m not presenting this position but it is not a core function of government at a very basic leval that is needed for core suvival as a nation like food, water, oil and defense) — people can do it for themselves — we can not defend the nation ourselves — we cannot survive without Courts — we cannot survive without some basic laws as to the enviornment and other laws that regard what people should and shouldn’t do to harm others. The rest of what governmen does isn’t necessarily necessary for it’s core functioning and there are ways that it could be designed for the private sector to accomplish the same tasks, possibly more efficienttly and more effectively …. there are arguments that are made on both sides of the issues but the Soviet Union didn’t survive; life in Cuba doesn’t look like much fun; a blind man just stumbled his way out of communist China at a tremendous cost — freedoms like we have here are to be treasured and valued and these ideas are to be really considered and thought about. What we have had as Americans has morphed over the past 3-4 decades and we have lost many liberties at the expense of more “government” involvement and more taxes and more “hand outs” to “help” others while they become more and more dependent on the handouts. So, allowing choice in the form of scholarship funds to minority students to attend private schools to get those who want “out” out of their local public schools isn’t such a bad thing if done properly. That way they can really be educated and get to a really good college and move up in life. I think vouchers would be a great thing but I’ve made that point before. Keep in mind that all 3 of my children were in DCSS schools thorugh 8th grade and my oldest didn’t pull out until mid-way through 11th grade — I’ve really seen public schools and we are in one of the best of the DCSS systems.
Mary Elizabeth
May 24th, 2012
11:12 pm
“There are arguments to be made that education isn’t really a core function of government. . .”
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Thomas Jefferson very much disagreed with this point of view. On his tombstone Jefferson had engraved that he had been the author of the Declaration of American Independence and of the Statue of Virginia for Religious Freedom, and Father of the University of Virginia. He chose not to have on his tombstone that he had been the U.S. Secretary of State, Vice-President of the United States, and President of the United States.
With those choices engraved on his tombstone, Jefferson made a permanent statement as to his priorities and how much he valued education and its intertwining with freedom. He was, also, a strong proponent of public education for all citizens’ children, in order to create a literate and aware citizenry.
When Benjamin Franklin left the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia, a woman asked him what form of government had been established for the people – a republic or a monarchy. Franklin answered, “A republic, ma’am, if you can keep it.” Jefferson recognized that without a well educated public, the United States would not continue to be the democratic republic that it was inteded to be, created by our Founding Fathers for the people into perpetuity..
Mary Elizabeth
May 24th, 2012
11:15 pm
Correction: “Statute of Virginia for Religious Freedom,” not “Statue. . .”
Anonmom
May 24th, 2012
11:50 pm
I come back to both parties being totally out of control and return to this quote/principal from the time of Jefferson: “A Democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of Government. It can only exist until the voters discover they can vote themselves largess of the public treasury. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that Democracy always collapses over a loose fiscal policy…” Professor Alexander Fraser Tyler writing when the states were still colonies of Great Britain, explaining why democracies always fail. I’m afraid we are almost at a point of no return…. this is from where I make most of my points — I really want a wonderful country for my sons and their children and I just don’t see it being there for them. I see us in 1933 in Europe on the brink of a major collapse…. too much corruption in government. This story paints the picture of misuse of funds on the private side of things — it’s not that the law is a bad law (from my perspective — I understand that there are those of you who disagree) — it’s that we have too many out there — both public and private sector — who just don’t obey the law.
Shar
May 25th, 2012
4:58 am
Anonmom, you are just plain wrong here. The tortured tone of your response shows that you know it and are twisting in the wind.
Education not a core responsibility of our government? Oh, yes it is. It falls to the states instead of the feds (not that they seem to notice that), but take a look in the Georgia Constitution – or the constitution of any state you choose.Article VIII, Section !; “The provision of an adequate public education for the citizens shall be a primary obligation of the State of Georgia. Public education for the citizens prior to the college or postsecondary level shall be free and shall be provided for by taxation.
Not “But you can get your money back if you don’t like it.”
Education, just as much as defense, is a national priority. We can not all educate our own children although our federal Constitution says we can defend our country individually – “A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.” I whole heartedly disagree with how this Constitutional guarantee is interpreted and effectuated, but that doesn’t mean that I get to pull my taxes back from the courts, jails, police,Department of Justice, etc.
I don’t want tax money supporting religious education, and I have a Constitutional guarantee that it should not. This program goes wrong there. I don’t want tax money being spent where the public that provides it has no oversight or right to know where the funding goes. This program goes wrong there. And I don’t believe that your oh-so-high tax bracket somehow exempts you from fulfilling the responsibilities of citizenship.
You resent the fact that poor people get to vote themselves benefits that they don’t have to pay for. I resent the fact that rich people have special access to legislators to get special favors, breaks and perqs that the rest of us don’t get. Both of these things are problems in this country. However, that does not give you or anyone else (listening, you foul Casas?) the right to decide to only fund the programs and spending you agree with.
That’s called tax fraud. And arrogance.
Janet
May 25th, 2012
12:27 pm
My kids are in public school, but I would kill to get them into private. I wish I had logged on early enough to watch the video so I could figure out how to use this program to my benefit.
Anonmom
May 27th, 2012
12:06 am
Shar — I agree with you on the religious ed front — I don’t have the angle addressed yet in my head — I think the monopoly the government has on schools has failed and needs to be changed — we need competition — desperately need competition as what lies ahead with the path we’re on is really, really bad — it’s got to change — I like the way France and Italy and Belgium do it (at least they way I understand they do it) which is a form of voucher system — the kids, by 8th grade are applying out to schools that are of their choosing based on their competency and skills –it’s not based on neighborhood and it is not automatic. It’s much more of a voucher system. It’s more of a tracking system. Money corrupts and we have mass, unchecked corruption in the public system. This article paints up corruption with this program — I don’t want corruption anywhere –the answer is to prosecute the corruption and to, me, to add the competition across the board not to eliminate it. But, yes, I agree with you on the religious education front — that scares me as a religious minority and under principals of separation of church and state. But I think that there’s are people more brilliant than I who can develop a system that would have it all working — perhaps based on the model implemented in Louisiana –as Gov. Gindal is one of those brilliant ones.
Anonmom
May 27th, 2012
12:13 am
Also, the Feds protect us from outsiders — the right to bear arms is designed to protect us from our own government –that’s the underlying purpose of the militias at core. Department of the Defense is an absolute primary core of what the feds are needed for. Education as a whole sank into the dungeon when feds took on education and one way to start to reel some this in is to do away with federal intervention in Education — e.g. the feds take money from taxpayers at a local level, bring it DC, redistribution through Dept. of Ed and then out into various programs, paying tons of beaurocrats along the way — ultimately filtering back down the to states based on various “connections” — if money went from taxpayer straight to the state for education and skipped the federal involvement, it could be put more directly to use for the kids without all the federal bureaucratic intervention and we’d save a bunch of money at the federal level. The scores have not improved since the feds got so involved … federal involvement really isn’t necessary.
Anonmom
May 27th, 2012
11:31 am
fyi — one of the first things the Nazis did was confiscate weapons from the folks that were to be killed later on….