Roommate in Rutgers spying/suicide case gets 30 days in jail. Is that fair?

Too little time or too much?

A judge today sentenced former Rutgers University student Dharun Ravi to 30 days in jail and 300 hours of community service for using a video camera to spy on his gay roommate, Tyler Clementi, during a romantic encounter in the dorm. Clementi later jumped from a bridge to his death.

The sentence didn’t satisfy either side. Ravi’s attorneys argued that he shouldn’t spend any time in jail, while prosecutors pushed for a much longer sentence for the charges, including invasion of privacy, witness tampering, tampering of evidence and a hate crime based on bias intimidation.

Telling the crowded courtroom that Ravi had no prior record, Judge Glenn Berman said, “I do not believe he hated Tyler Clementi … but I do believe he acted out of colossal insensitivity.”

This tragic case mobilized people all over the country to address the frequent bullying of gay teens.

According to the LA Times:

Judge Glenn Berman addressed Ravi before announcing his sentence, saying: “Nothing I say is intended in any way to disparage you or demean you. I don’t even know you.”

“But I heard this jury say ‘guilty’ 288 times — 24 questions, 12 jurors — that’s the multiplication. And I haven’t heard you apologize once,” he said as Ravi sat silently, his chin often resting on his fist. “You cannot expunge the conduct or the pain you caused.”

Ravi, sitting in a dark suit and tie, sat quietly with his eyes downcast, as he had throughout the morning as Clementi’s parents, brother, and prosecutors appealed for prison time, rejecting arguments that as a first-time offender, Ravi should be spared incarcerations.

“All of the defendant’s actions … were planned, were purposeful, and were malicious,” prosecutor Julia McClure said, describing Ravi as an arrogant attention-seeker and dismissing the defense claim that Ravi meant no harm when he secretly filmed Clementi. It “defies logic and common sense,” she said.

“The jury’s verdict gave some measure of justice … but justice can only be fully realized by respecting and enforcing the law and punishing this defendant for his conduct, his criminal acts,” she said.

Defense attorney Steve Altman read a statement to Berman after Clementi’s mother, father, brother and a man secretly filmed with Clementi demanded prison time for Ravi.

Altman said he had come before the packed courtroom with an anxiety “1,000-fold more than what I’ve ever experienced before” because he knew he needed to persuade Berman to keep Ravi out of jail. “I know that’s climbing a mountain,” he said, but he repeated his argument that the case had been overshadowed by Clementi’s suicide even though Ravi was not charged in his death.

“This isn’t about a simple invasion of privacy,” he said. “This case is being tried and it’s being treated and exists today as if it’s a murder case.” Even the victim impact statements “are replete with suggestions … that Dharun has some responsibility, some role in that terrible, terrible choice of Tyler’s.”

–From Maureen Downey, for the AJC Get Schooled blog

68 comments Add your comment

Simon

May 21st, 2012
3:12 pm

Yes it’s fair as you can get. What the man did was immature, foolish and just creepy for someone not liking the idea of same sex relationships. However, the dead man killed himself. If he let that push him over the edge (no pun intended), he would have let something else far less trivial take him there sooner or later. If the guy was proud of his lifestyle, then he should have owned up to it, had it out with his roommate, reported it he needed to, switched roommates and lived to see another day. I don’t mean to sound harsh because I do believe this is a sad case but at least the man has been punished and 30 days in jail ain’t so unfair. In reality, he didn’t actually kill the guy himself. In the end, the deceased chose to take himself out of this journey. No one made him jump.

dcss failing

May 21st, 2012
3:14 pm

I think that is a just sentence. I believe Ravi was just a stupid, arrogant kid who thought it was hilarious to film his roommate with another man. I don’t believe he hated Tyler at all and I don’t believe it was a hate crime. It might be bullying, yes, but I don’t think he deserved 10 years in jail. It was Tyler’s choice. I read that he had come out to his parents just days before leaving for college. I wonder how they took it…if they were open and supporting or did could his parents reaction contribute as well?

BlahBlahBlah

May 21st, 2012
3:15 pm

Tyler Clementi likely had major emotional baggage prior to ever meeting Ravi. And I’m certain much of that baggage probably came from his parents, who now wish to use Ravi as a scapegoat.

dcss failing

May 21st, 2012
3:15 pm

Sorry – meant “did his parents reaction contribute as well”?

Srihari

May 21st, 2012
3:31 pm

I guess more kids will have to die because they are gay, have a different skin color, have a handicap…I guess it is collateral damage!

Taxi Smith

May 21st, 2012
3:49 pm

It is fair. He didn’t kill the young man, and there is no clear evidence that what he did even led to the death of the young man.

skipper

May 21st, 2012
4:20 pm

The guy killed himself. The guy obviously must have had other issues as well. We all have at one time or the other been victims of bullying, but we did not jump off the bridge…..

Meh

May 21st, 2012
4:23 pm

The witness tampering and tampering of evidence should equate to more than 30 days on their own. Dharun Ravi should be deported upon his release.

TrishaDishaWarEagle

May 21st, 2012
4:45 pm

There was no crime here. If gay is so normal and right, why did he freak out at being outed…oh thats right..their arguments contradict each other..

skipper

May 21st, 2012
5:03 pm

@Trisha….
Kudos……Being gay is being forced on people faster than taxes…….and only a short time ago it was illegal, immoral, etc. The armed services went from strict prohibition, to don’t ask don’t tell to “Hooray for gay!”All of a sudden everyone who does not like the lifestyle choice has to be an advocate?????????????

I love teaching. I hate what it is becoming...

May 21st, 2012
5:06 pm

@Trisha “If gay is so normal and right, why did he freak out at being outed…oh thats right..their arguments contradict each other..”

Maybe because he knew good hearted folks like you and skipper would do your best to make his life miserable.

Linda Field

May 21st, 2012
5:14 pm

Ravi,clearly went against the privacy of his roomate(gay or not)Yes,he should suffer the consequences of his actions,that may or may not have led to Tyler’s suicide.It doesn’t mention any facts on the reaction of the other victim,Ravi’s partner in the “encounter”obviously that boy did not commit suicide.Based on the fact Ravi had recently told his parents he was gay,I would think maybe that did not go over too well,it’s alot to take in when you hear the news for the first time(as parents of teen girls react to a pregnancy).However the courts need to set an example that no one has the right to film any person for any reason without their knowledge,also the college needs to also show that this is not acceptable.I am glad I was not a juror on this case,but I don’t think they can prove it was this film that caused Tyler to commit suicide.It’s a tragic and sad thing that has happened,Ravi’s film,may have drove him over the edge,but we will never know.30 days in jail is not too much,and he should be suspended.As far as the parents of Tyler,sad but they have to live with this forever.

Linda Field

May 21st, 2012
5:16 pm

seems I mixed up the names,I said Ravi,when I meant Tyler…

skipper

May 21st, 2012
5:16 pm

@I love teaching, etc.:
Teachers, preachers, parents, lawmakers, etc. taught us for years that it was immoral, a sin, terrible, etc. now, its the flavor of the day?? Folks turned on a dime, and those of us who were taught all our life how bad it is all of a sudden have to tote the blame???? And yes, this IS a much different issue than civil rights…….even though there were Jim Crow laws, etc. it was not taught that being black was a perversion; whether it is or not that is what was emblazoned on folks minds for years.it takes awhile to change. Looks like the states are saying differently……..

Other perverts get longer time

May 21st, 2012
5:27 pm

Ravi is old enough to realize that what he did was wrong and a violation of another person’s privacy. People get longer jail time for video taping people going to the bathroom. I hope that the victim’s parents sue the kid civilly.

Howard Finkelstein

May 21st, 2012
5:32 pm

The sentence is too heavy. The defendant did nothing wrong.

Linda Field

May 21st, 2012
5:36 pm

Personal beliefs about lifestyle is not the issue,neither is the religious aspect(that is up to GOD)the point is the roomate,Ravi,filmed Tyler,without Tyler’s consent(yes probably for a joke to get his kicks)regardless gay or not,no one should be filmed without knowledge,invasion of privacy.If Tyler had been with a girl this probably would not have gone to court,but the fact remains,there is no proof that this film caused Tyler to commit suicide,his partner clearly did not,and he is also a victim.Whose to say that Tyler’s parents were not also somewhat guilty,we don’t know their initial reaction to finding out their son was gay,no different then a teen girl telling her parents she’s pregnant.Regardless,a lesson has to be taught for future fools that filming anyone without them being made aware is an invasion of their privacy,and the college needs to also set an example of Ravi,he should be suspended as well.The sentence to me fits,Ravi may or may not have caused Tyler to jump over the bridge,we will never know.

Howard Finkelstein

May 21st, 2012
5:44 pm

Had this young man, who was I guess “experimenting” as they call it, not commited suicide there would be no case. The defendant did make a error in judgement, exhibited poor taste, per se, however that is all.

No crime here.

Vashtai

May 21st, 2012
5:52 pm

Had it been one of your daughters being filmed and she was so shamed she committed suicide, I’m sure how you feel about Ravi would be quite different.

mountain man

May 21st, 2012
6:04 pm

I think I will hide a video camera in each of your homes and film you having sex and then post it on the web. If all I face is 30 days in jail…

mountain man

May 21st, 2012
6:06 pm

How about dressing rooms – since the expectation of privacy is non-existent.

Tellie B

May 21st, 2012
6:07 pm

I think the punishment fits the crime. Ravi was a very immature 18 and did something stupid, with no thought that his roommate was so fragile he would commit suicide. He’s lived with the consequences of his actions for close to 2 yrs, had to leave Rutgers, will spend a month behind bars, has to do 300 hours of community service, pay a $10k fine+, and live with this stain on his record for the rest of his life. He’s a young man who should be allowed redemption. As for deportation, Tyler’s partner thought he should be allowed to remain in the U.S. It’s gonna be interesting to see how this plays out as the prosecutors and the defense say they will appeal.

mountain man

May 21st, 2012
6:07 pm

Or follow your sons and daughters on spring break and film them and post them on your church’s website.

DebbieDoRight

May 21st, 2012
6:25 pm

Thirty Days is a abomination and a miscarriage of justice. So you’re telling me a person can commit witness tampering and only get THIRTY DAYS!?! He can tamper with evidence for a trial and get THIRTY DAYS!?!

Well, if that’s the case, all of you who don’t think Ravi committed any crime, had better watch out where you sit when you use the public bathrooms. It looks like everything is up for grabs.

Tired

May 21st, 2012
6:29 pm

“The witness tampering and tampering of evidence should equate to more than 30 days on their own.” – I absolutely agree. An 18-year-old hacking into a computer system gets more of a sentence than that.

Shar

May 21st, 2012
6:51 pm

Ravi preyed upon Tyler Clementi in order to get attention for himself and position himself as “cool” and “funny” among their freshmen peers. He gave no thought at all to Tyler’s right to privacy, nor to his reaction at being filmed without his consent and that film being advertised and streamed to the public. That behavior argues a breathtaking arrogance and a sociopathic inability to respect others or recognize their feelings.

Ravi treated Tyler as less than human, and Tyler responded in a way that negated his humanity. Would the sentence have been longer if Tyler had written, “Ravi made me do it” in his suicide note instead of “Sorry”? Thirty days seems far too little to me, even if the offender did not intend that his actions result in death. Here in Georgia, for example, someone committing a felony that results in a death is automatically charged with homicide regardless of whether death was intended or whether the accused actively caused the death.

I certainly think that Ravi should be deported after his term. He does not exhibit respect for either the law or the rights of the individual, and should not be permitted to stay in a society that is founded on those two principles.

David Wainwright

May 21st, 2012
6:53 pm

Dharun Ravi is getting 30 days in jail because many of the charges against him were nonsense. New Jersey’s bias initimidation and obstruction of justice laws are much wider than most other states. There are no evidence that Ravi acted out of bigotry, but New Jersey’s bias laws only require that the victim believes that the crime was committed because of bias. Likewise, Ravi did not intimidate or bribe any witnesses, but New Jersey’s obstruction of justice laws only require that he may have influenced a witness. As for invasion of privacy, Ravi is clearly guilty of that, but long sentences are uncommon for privacy violations.

Not so Fair and Balanced

May 21st, 2012
7:15 pm

So why did the guy who hacked Sarah Palin’s email get a year?

Bloodbike

May 21st, 2012
8:17 pm

30 days sounds right I may have giving him half a year for the witness tampering. Not seeing how he caused the others death in any way. I think the parents reaction caused him to take his life and not what the young Ravi did. Sad turn of events. Parents have to watch how and waht they say to there kids in times of change and stress. I think they were looking for a scape goat for how they reacted to his initial annoucement about being gay.

Anonmom

May 21st, 2012
8:48 pm

I think this is an overblown, sad case of a roommate situation gone way bad. He had no business filming his rommate and uploading it on You Tube. It doesn’t matter if it was straight or gay or male or female, clothed or unclothed — it wasn’t the right thing to do. Kids go off to college (particularly in this case with a foreign citizen paired with a kid who obviously had some psychological issues) with out much help in choosing roommates or with how to get along with them. They are then stuck in really small, cramped quarters for a year without too much intervention. I had a kid away at school as a freshman in a dicey roommate situation at the same time (in a triple, one roommate was probably an diagnosed autistic and the other had his girlfriend in the bed above my son all year….)– the room was pretty large but just a room with a bathroom for the 3 of them. No real coping skills or skills for how to get along. I sent my kids to sleep away camp for a month at a time so they’ve had some experience in living in close quarters with a group of 10, yet it’s still been “dicey” for my college kid. Now, did any Resident Adviser take this Rutgers case when it happened (when I knew dozens of college freshman living in dorms away from home and asked them)? Not that I could find. Have they since then? Not that I’ve found either…. Perfect learning opportunity on what not to do and how to handle such situations…. The college needs to take some share of the blame for not appropriately asking certain questions to appropriately pair the roommates. Mine was place randomly and the school is proud that they do their assignments completely randomly unless you request to live with someone. (other schools take great pride in “matchmaking” roommates). There is so much more to this story and it is very sad but besides showing very poor judgment and being criminal in that it was taping someone without his consent and was, therefore, a major breach of his privacy — we really don’t know what else was taking place in that room. For instance, just how many nights was the roommate have “friends” over? Was the roommate rubbing it in his face? Who was “bullying” who? We don’t really know what was going on behind closed doors. We know that the tape went up on You Tube and we know he took his own life — we don’t really know what caused him to take his own life — people are embarrassed many times and still don’t commit suicide.

Anonmom

May 21st, 2012
8:49 pm

I meant undiagnosed autistic….no social skills at all – -my mother found him when she moved my son out of his room buried under his bedspread (age 19 years old) with headphones on and he wouldn’t look up and acknowledge her or say good bye — this was at 3 in the afternoon.

Archie

May 21st, 2012
8:53 pm

Thirty days in the “crossbar hotel” is appropriate in my way of thinking. If they don’t incarcerate him, he may try to do it again, given his apparent lack of moral turpitude, respect for the law and respect for individual rights! Did Rutgers expel him or did he leave on his own initiative? Some people may think that New Jersey’s bias intimidation and obstruction of justice laws are “over the top.” The fact remains that they are laws and “ignorance is no excuse for the law” (or it wasn’t the last time I checked!) The INS probably needs to look at his status and remember that “Delta is ready when they are!”

bootney farnsworth

May 21st, 2012
9:32 pm

30 days for witness tampering and evidence tampering?

bootney farnsworth

May 21st, 2012
9:35 pm

worse still, had Tyler done what I would have, which would have been to beat Ravi black/blue/purple and shove the camera up his butt

Tyler would have gotten a much more severe penalty than Ravi got

another comment

May 21st, 2012
10:28 pm

Ravi, made the big mistake of not telling Tyler “No Way” when he kicked him out of the room to bring a stranger he met on the internet back to the room. Whether Gay or Straight, no one should have to be repeatedly be kicked out of their dorm room that their parents are paying thousands of dollars in Room charges a semester. I wouldn’t want my child kicked out. This wasn’t a student that Tyler was bringing back. It was a guy in his late 20’s. To other 18 year olds this is gross and inappropriate. The guy that was in his late 20’s should have taken Tyler back to his house or rented a hotel room. Then this all could have been avoided. When I was a 19 year old in college and had a 27 year old boyfriend, and he came to visit me at college, do you think he would stay at my dorm room, no. He rented a Hotel room. He was an adult man.

This is one part of the story I have not been able to figure out. It does not make sense, Was this guy some married guy, on the down low or something ???

Linda Field

May 21st, 2012
10:35 pm

All I did was read this article,I did not gather any other info on this so I am just replying to what I read above.I was unaware this has been going on for 2 years,and just learned it was on you-tube.It sounds similar to the case where the young girl committed suicide because her father aired a video of her.This also to me does not matter if the victim of this embarrassment was a male or female,gay or straight,being humiliated is not an easy thing to live with.Also the fact that the roommate of the victim comes from a different Country,is not of importance.This is clearly an invasion of privacy,to be filmed unaware,anywhere,and that in itself is a crime.To the person stating the Sarah Palin case,that person received a year I’m guessing because she is a public official(which does not mean she is more important then Tyler)just stating how the justice system works.I also just read Tyler left a note saying sorry,to me it seems like he was saying that to his parents.I also did not know of any bribing or tampering of evidence(that’s another issue of concern)and to the mom’s comment about the space of a dorm room,I think that is just not an issue for this case,besides if Tyler or Ravi did not like each other one of them could have requested a different roommate.Fact is a person was filmed unaware,it was shown on you-tube,to further the embarrassment,the one victim couldn’t deal with the aftermath,wrote a sorry note(to his family)and took his life.The other victim apparently was able to deal with this awful ordeal and did not kill himself,and has asked Ravi not be sent back to his Country,two totally different reactions.Tyler must have been a very sensitive young man,dealing with other issues as well(not excusing Ravi)expelled from school,jail time and community service for what we know Ravi is quilty of seems fair,he has to live with this for the rest of his life.If he did indeed bribe and tamper thats something else,seems he knew he was in big trouble and tried to save his butt,but sorry the fact remains he did wrong.We will never know why Tyler killed himself,and this is very tragic for all involved.Last to the person that said ‘if it was a daughter you’d feel differently about Ravi”,I can only say thankfully as a parent I have not had to deal with this tragic situation,but son or daughter,gay or straight,bullying or prank,it is a tragedy for All concerned.

Truth in Moderation

May 21st, 2012
11:36 pm

Is there any record that Ravi complained to the school about the dorm room activities of his gay roommate? Perhaps he feared he would have been labeled “homophobic” if he did, and thus, tragically took matters into his own hands. All colleges should make fornication in college dorms a crime punishable by expulsion from the school. This is a terrrible offense to the other roommates and encourages out-of-wedlock babies, abortions, and STD’s. This activity cost a young man his life. THE SCHOOL HOLDS SOME RESPONSIBILITY HERE AS WELL.

OTOH

May 21st, 2012
11:50 pm

There can be no invasion of privacy in filming your own bedroom. Therein lies the biggest problem with this prosecution.

The Mommy Psychologist

May 22nd, 2012
1:43 am

I’m disappointed. I was hoping that the judge would use this to set a precedent against online bullying and specifically bullying targeting individuals who are gay, lesbian, bi-sexual or transgender. It was a chance to say we take this seriously and we will not tolerate hate. Instead, it was a slap on the wrist and stern warning not to do it again. My full thoughts on this here:
http://www.themommypsychologist.com/2012/05/21/what-do-you-think-of-the-rutgers-verdict/

Lee

May 22nd, 2012
6:05 am

Once I read “hate”, my eyes glazed over.

If Ravi had videotaped his roommate having a heterosexual relationship, then he probably would have received a strongly worded letter from some school administrator. But since the roommate was gay, call the FBI, we’ve got a “hate crime”.

Give me a break.

HS Math Teacher

May 22nd, 2012
6:08 am

There isn’t much privacy in a dorm. College kids are usually pranksters, and can be scathingly cruel. A motel room would have been a better choice than a college dorm room, if you’re trying to keep your private life…., private.

Thirty days in jail for invasion of privacy? Is it fair? I would think so. If the kid who did the video recording & YT uploading has any kind of a heart, he will punish himself many times over for the rest of his life.

DeborahinAthens

May 22nd, 2012
6:50 am

An older, wiser person would haved sued the jerk for invasion of privacy instead of committing suicide and letting him off the hook. Then, maybe, the idiot would not be smirking and the idiot’s sobbing mother wouldn’t be so worried about her sad, pathetic excuse of a son. She would be really angry at him as she was scrounging for the crippling financial penalties. This is a pathetic example of why our justice system is so screwed up. One can only hope this homophobe will get his just desserts while in prison.

Gwinnett Parent

May 22nd, 2012
8:11 am

It is a sad day when a grown man gets only. 30 days for invasions of privacy. Did we open the doors for more of these incidents, because the punishment is too light? Also, an 18 year old is an adult. This is not a case of high school or middle school bullying. Our society keeps moving adulthood out, which is dangerous in itself. Ravi should have been deported, because he committed a felony. He was an adult when he committed this crime and it needs to be treated as such.

Pluto

May 22nd, 2012
8:11 am

I thought “fair” was where you get a funnel cake in the fall?

Solutions

May 22nd, 2012
8:12 am

Gays have been “outing” each other for decades, usually with glee, yet I have never heard of a prosecution let alone a convicting. All Ravi did was offer proof positive of his “outing: of this particular gay. Ravi got a just sentence, his conviction will follow him all his life. Holding the heterosexual community responsible for gay self inflicted injuries is not right, they choose their lifestyle and their own acts of violence. While we are on the subject of deviant sexual behavior, I believe the so called transgenders are guilty of committing an act of fraud upon their victims. They commit fraud every time they pretend to be members of the opposite sex and approach a heterosexual person seeking sex on that false basis. That is why the proper “label” for them is not “transgender” but rather “female impersonator,” or “male impersonator.”

A Conservative Voice

May 22nd, 2012
8:41 am

Soooooooo, using that same logic, because Mr. Zimmerman got out of his car, he should only get thirty days in the slammer instead of being charged with second-degree murder :) Our system of justice is all screwed up……”if the picture had not been taken, the person would not have committed suicide”……(you can’t assume, well he would have committed suicide sooner or later, anyway). BTW, Mr. Zimmerman will never, I say never be convicted of second-degree murder and, IMHO shouldn’t be.

Anonmom

May 22nd, 2012
8:45 am

For those of you being so harsh on Ravi — remember that he, and I’m not justifying what he did — I think it was wrong and I think he probably didn’t realize it was criminal when he did it — I think he thought it was a prank that would ‘get even’ with his roommate — but remember that he was in the position of having to live 24/7 with this boy that he only knew for the past 2-3 months and had probably not chosen to live with and didn’t know much about. He didn’t invite the situation into his living quarters. These boys -or men — were not mature — there was some responsibility on the part of the roommate for bringing non-college-aged men into their room for these purposes. I blame — in part — the school — for not doing a better job of matching the roommates up. This is a lesson I want (with other children heading to college soon and political correctness and you tube so easily available) addressed from this situation. I don’t see it as a hate crime as much as I see it as someone who couldn’t figure out how to deal with his roommate’s issues appropriately in a school that didn’t put the roommates together very well — this was very early on freshman year. Sure, they were 18 and adults but our society has been treating teens as children for way too long and you tube is very easy to access and too many of our “kids” are getting into trouble to “sexting” because they haven’t been taught not to. We don’t do a good job of setting these parameters. So, yes, he did wrong. If he has any conscience, he will never be the same person ever again. But, no, I’m not sure jail time is appropriate –we have more people in jail than any other nation on the planet — jails need to house folks who are dangerous to others. This was a stupid prank. He’s not a danger to society. A semester off from school. Community service. I don’t even think he should be deported or lose his rights to attend school because I think the school and his roommate are partially to blame. Don’t be so fast to judge this boy — we don’t know what was going on inside the room. We don’t know if the boy who committed suicide (who obviously had some issues) was giving him a hard time for being Indian — they were obviously not getting along and were not handling it well at all. It was a suicide not a homicide.

Anonmom

May 22nd, 2012
8:48 am

One of my close friends 25 years later is my roommate from my sophomore year of college (I really didn’t get along with the girls I lived with freshman year…. we were an odd mix in a triple) — she was from Macon and I was from the Northeast. She absolutely refused to lock the door and always had her “guy” sleep over (they later married and then divorced). I would have to wait up until very odd hours of the night so I could lock the door because from where I was from — it was dangerous to go to sleep with the door unlocked — it drove me nuts — but I could not convince my small town roommate, whom I really adore — to lock the door for our safety. Roommate situations produce very interesting dynamics.

I love teaching. I hate what it is becoming...

May 22nd, 2012
9:29 am

@skipper “Teachers, preachers, parents, lawmakers, etc. taught us for years that it was immoral, a sin, terrible, etc. now, its the flavor of the day?? ”

Folks used to be taught that the earth was flat, and that the sun revolved around the earth. Your point?

catlady

May 22nd, 2012
9:40 am

Are we going to talk about Dekalb?