Wages of young college graduates tanking during recession. (Is there room in the basement?)

The Economic Policy Institute sent out this depressing summary today showing that the wages of young college graduates have failed to grow over the last decade. One indicator to me of the bleak job market is how many college graduates are now living back at home with their parents.

Here is the data snapshot from EPI:

In 2011, young college graduates had an average hourly wage of $16.81 per hour, which translates into an annual income of roughly $35,000 for a full-time, full-year worker. Average hourly wages for young female graduates remain substantially less (13.9 percent) than those of young male graduates.

The wages of young college graduates have fared poorly during the Great Recession and its aftermath. Between 2007 and 2011, the wages of young college graduates dropped 4.6 percent (5.1 percent for men and 4.1 percent for women). The wage growth of young graduates was weak even before the Great Recession began; they have fared poorly over the entire period of general wage stagnation that began during the business cycle of 2000–2007. Between 2000 and 2011, the wages of young college graduates dropped 5.4 percent (1.6 percent for men and 8.5 percent for women).

The wage declines since 2000 stand in sharp contrast to the strong wage growth for these groups from 1995 to 2000. During that period of low unemployment and overall strong wage growth, wages rose 19.1 percent for young college graduates (18.7 percent for men and 19.5 percent for women). The stark difference between these two economic periods illustrates how the wages for young graduates vary considerably depending on the health of the U.S. labor market. Young graduates who enter the labor market during periods of strength (e.g. 1995–2000) face much stronger wage prospects than young graduates who enter the labor market during periods of weakness (e.g. 2001 to the present).

–From Maureen Downey, for the AJC Get Schooled blog

48 comments Add your comment

Atlanta Mom

May 16th, 2012
11:03 am

Back in the day, lots of people graduating from college couldn’t manage an apartment alone. They found roommates. Anything was better than living at home. Mom and Dad make it way too comfortable and easy for this generation.

Principal Skinner

May 16th, 2012
11:14 am

Get ready MD, looks like there will be a bunch of new bloggers typing away from their mom’s basement………..

………what’s that mom? No, cut the crusts off, please!

Principal Skinner

May 16th, 2012
11:15 am

Oops……guess that should’ve been, “moms’ basements.”


May 16th, 2012
11:16 am

… what Atlanta Mom said. When I came out of college in 1985, I was working in the IT industry and made $22k a year. I did not make 35K a year… in computer science… until 1993 . It took 10 more years for my salary to rise to $80k+. So pardon me if I say “Wah” to the “average” college grad making 35k a year. It sounds about right… maybe even too high… to me.


May 16th, 2012
11:19 am

If these college graduates took substantive courses like math, science, business, they would come out of school equipt to do some meaningful work. Many of them go there, drink their way through and come out with a useless degree. No one is going to pay for that. Although of course, their lives were ‘enriched” by the college experience.


May 16th, 2012
11:21 am

Hillarious video…http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYwkNCwADzQ&feature=youtu.be


May 16th, 2012
11:28 am

35k a year?

Geesh, I’ve been out of school for 6 years and I barely make that!

Count your blessings, new graduates.

Numba One Educrat

May 16th, 2012
11:29 am

@Principal Skinner: I beg to differ. The recent college graduates have great job prospects. The world needs ditch diggers and lumber yard employees.

@Struthers: The problem with e-sarcasm is that it is difficult to distinguish between actual opinion and sarcasm. It’s like winking at the person you’re on the phone with. Math! You’re too funny. The classes they should really take is wine making, beekeeping and animal husbandry. When the world implodes upon His reelection, those will be useful and necessary. Math.


May 16th, 2012
11:31 am

I should say, I barely make that at my full time job. I’m fortunate to have specialized skills which allow me to make decent supplementary income.

Principal Skinner

May 16th, 2012
11:40 am

@Numba 1

Ah yes, I underestimated their prospects. Also, there is always……..”Would u like fries w that”?

These recent grads better humble themselves and roll-up their sleeves. Wonder how many are rethinking their vote from ‘08?


May 16th, 2012
11:46 am

If you have not racked up massive debt during college then you should be able to make it on $35 per year to start.

I have two nieces that graduated in the past two years and both started jobs making over $70,000 per year. Now one graduated from Tech with a degree in IE and the other from Cornell with a degree in a specialized accounting field (BTW: both graduated debt free and their parents did not pay the bills). This tells me that there are good jobs for the kids that go to college and get a degree in a field that matters and not just a party degree.

College is to expensive for these general degrees. Parents need to tell their children if you want to go to school and major in general fields then stay at home and go to a community college because you will not be able to make it afterwards in the current market and the debt is not worth the degree at a major University.


May 16th, 2012
11:48 am

I see alot of graduates come out of school with no job insitght. they failed to take advantage of the intern programs around the country. ]

Find and intern position, even one that does not pay and use the experieince to yur advantage.

I came out of school making $27K.

It is not Obama’s fault that these kids don’t have jobs. Most of them feel like they earned a break of some sort and take months off after school and thenwhen they go out they can’t find snything….

Co-op and intern while in school it make syou more marketable…

usually lurking

May 16th, 2012
12:00 pm

@NONPC – FWIW, $22k in 1985 has the same buying power as $47,043.40 in 2012. http://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm

Just A Teacher

May 16th, 2012
12:06 pm

It’s just a mess for people looking for work these days. Perhaps these young people should go into banking. After all, if you screw up there, the federal government will give your boss money and look the other way while your boss gives you a bonus. Too big to fail? I disagree. I believe President Bush and President Obama should have let Wall Street go under and destroy the economy. It would have been a quicker death for our country than the slow, agonizing mess we are in now.

And yes, I mentioned both the most recent Republican president and the current Democratic president. They both wrote Wall Street huge checks at our expense and both parties are equally responsible for this recession. I predict the downfall of both major political parties very soon.

mystery poster

May 16th, 2012
12:10 pm

As I was driving into work today, I was thinking about all of the infrastructure we have that requires non-college educated workers. I drove on a road, maybe designed by a civil engineer but paved by blue-collar worker. I passed a convenience store where workers were delivering cases of water to sell. I went by the water department where people pay their bills and workers read meters. Most goods and services in the country are delivered by non-college educated folks. A topic for another day is that people who provide these valuable services should be able to earn a living wage.

Howard Finkelstein

May 16th, 2012
12:22 pm

“a living wage.”

Got that from your handbook “The Communist Worker” eh.


May 16th, 2012
12:29 pm

My niece has a trust fund. That’s why she could accept an unpaid internship at a publishing house while she waited for the offer from the poetry foundation that it did make, just recently. This offer is a limited contract, with the obvious goal of finding out if she can indeed ‘cut the mustard.’ Those of us without a trust fund would do well to accept that while we may love creative writing, poetry, alternative rock, etc. we may have to relegate these interests to the status of hobbies while we pursue training and education in a field that will provide sufficient remuneration. Perhaps at some more financially secure point in the future, we will be able to mesh our vocations and avocations. Thomas Jefferson was a farmer. I don’t think he ever envisioned our ‘career’ congressional members. He expected to have to return to his land and earn a living, as did others. Perhaps we need to ‘tweak’ our vision/version of the ‘American Dream’ so that it fits with the continuing construction of a viable society?

Old Physics Teacher

May 16th, 2012
12:52 pm

This was soooooo predictible. Sound bites are just so wonderful to hear, but so wrong in reality. “To get a good job, you need a good education.” WRONG!! Not partially wrong, not 90% WRONG, BUT 100% WRONG! To get a good job, you need to be smart, have the proper skills, and be at the right place at the right time. 15 years ago I couldn’t understand why the editor and publisher of my local newspaper was complaining about teacher pay being so high. At that time starting teacher pay was around $19k. I had a heated argument with him about that. I had been on the job for a short while. I quit a job making about twice that to go back to school to become a teacher. His comment was that $19k was $3k more than he paid his starting reporters. Jobs pay what jobs pay. It is market-driven for want of a better term. It matters not, how much you paid for the degree; it only matters what the market will pay for your skills.

Sad for kids to find out the real world has nothing to do with what the politicians tell you is real. The way you tell when politicians are lying to you? A: Their lips are moving.

Atlanta Mom

May 16th, 2012
1:06 pm

Old physics teacher :Sad for kids to find out the real world has nothing to do with what the politicians tell you is real.
Maybe they should havbe been paying some attention to what Mom and Dad were telling them.


May 16th, 2012
1:18 pm

Parents have to say no after college – no you may not live in your “old” room, no I will not pay your cell phone bill, no I will not give you a few bucks until you get paid, no you cannot be on my health insurance. My parents let me live at home through college (thanks), but once I graduated (20 years ago) I got married and moved out of state to go to law school – living in a cruddy little apartment with my husband and struggling so I could take minimal student loans. Got through law school and took my first job making…wait for it….$30k per year. I have struggled and never once considered moving back home or asking my folks for money. I struggled and clawed my way to the top of the heap and my son has a super nice life – including private school and a college fund. I have told him that he can live at home if he goes to college in town. I have told him that if he earns scholarships for college he can still have the college fund to start his life after graduation. I have also told him that after graduation he is not welcome to live with us. My son has been blessed with an even better start than I had and after college he needs to stand on his own and be a man. I expect to watch him struggle…and to fight my natural urge to help. In this world you eat what you kill – get a roommate, take a second or third job, sell your car and ride the bus, no data plan on your cell (wah!), no clubbing…GROW UP!


May 16th, 2012
1:30 pm

I think a contributing factor is the increasing number of grads from substandard institutions that claim to be universities, when in reality they are just trade schools with delusions of grandeur, or sometimes outright scams. They take in students who are unprepared to study at a college level, give them a poor excuse for an education, and send them out into the world with a worthless diploma in hand.
This affects ALL college grads, including those who went to good schools, because it inflates the number of graduates in the job market and drives down the value of all their degrees.

Every kids needs a career plan, but not every kid needs to go to college. Some kids want to pursue careers that don’t require college. Also, let’s be honest here: some kids simply lack the smarts and/or ambition to succeed in (real) college. Stop telling them they NEED a college degree to succeed.


May 16th, 2012
1:47 pm

No one else has mentioned it so I will: Peace Corps, VISTA, Brethren Volunteer Service, and many other groups are always looking for young (and old) people willing to get their hands dirty. Perhaps before college grads obsess about making $35K they could think about giving back to the country that has already given them more than they realize.
BTW, at least some of the service agencies have student loan deferral provisions. And they do look good on a resume.

another comment

May 16th, 2012
1:48 pm

My 17 year old daughter that is a high school junior, keeps giving me this crap that the high school guidence counselor tells them they should do what they really love what they are passionate about. This same idiot counselor tried to have my daughter who will graduate with over a 4.0 GPA go to Minimum day schedule senior year. I had to write the counselor that higher level colleges do not look highly on minimal day schedules. I also informed her that my daughter turns 18 in Sept. and is a beneficiar of Social Security Benefits through a parent and must remain a full time student until she graduates. Perhaps, she should invite the parent, legal guardian into this conversation, that might adversely affect the family as well as the child.

I have tried to tell my child over and over again just because you love sitting in one high school Sociology class. It does not mean that you will be happy working for DFAC’s for 20K a year. You could not live on that income in the way you are accustumed and you will not live off of me or go to college off me to get a degree like that. You can take some electives in College.

My daughter also tried to tell me you work hard and party hard in college. I said hell no you don’t. I said you really do not think that I would have graduated 5th in my class by partying hard in college. Then getting a full ride to a top school for graduate School. Her main priority for finding a college is getting into a sorioty. She even naively tells me I am going to live in a soriety house freshman year. Then I broke her heart Sunday and told her freshman don’t live in Sorioty houses anywhere. You pledge freshman year. When I try to tell her that being in a Sorioty is the end all, she says that is because you are a Yankee and I am Southern like my dad. (She wants to apply for membership to the DOR and the Daughters of the Civil War as soon as she turns 18, she qualifies for each at least 6 ways, based on her Father), I have tried to tell her that all though I did go to some parties in college, I turned down more than I went to. I never missed a class, due to excess partying. I took a dying Engineering Society Tau Beta Pi, at my College Campus, and ran for the President of the Honor Society on the grounds that even though we were the Engineering Honor society, we could still throw great parties and do community service. It would also look great on your resume. So I made it cool to be in a Tau Beta Pi member and we went from 12 members to over 50 members. But you had to be in the top 5% of your Architecture or Engineering Class Jr year and then top 8% or so your Senior year. I have tried to tell her that is what is set me apart in getting hired and getting every career move down the line. Not to mention I got to go on an all expense trip to the Conference in California and stay on the Queen Mary I in Dry Dock. I also organized a side trip to Disneland, somehow I was able to get a rental car at 21. I also, was able to meet the President of the Tau Beta Pi Chapter and the Professor sponser from every University in the country that had an accredited Engineering Program. Again a minefield of contacts. Did I run into some of these people in the future, yes. I was not the standard Engineering nurd, nor will I ever be. That is why I was able to win the Presidency of the Chapter, I thought outside the box. I am not a Calculus wiz, nor a Physics wiz, but I am a great designer, a great project manager, and I can work will all types of people.

I probably, have a zillion run-on sentances, I lost a whole letter grade for it on my Master’s thesis in Engineering. Yes it really pissed me off, since the Thesis was on pre-cast concrete and the success of Operation Breakthrough. A failed government program. How did I circumvent that going forward, my first executive assistant Christine had a college major in English was still dreaming of writing a novel. I showed her how the Construction Industry is divided by 15-16 different sections. Gave her a book, showed her just file everything under these sections, not ABC order when you work for a General Contractor. My next Executive Assistant, shared with the bosses son, had a Master’s degree in English. Tommy and I let her write everything, just gave her the outline of what we needed. I also made the twit in the other job site trailer that used to much fruity spray after anyone used the trailer toilet quit, when I told her the power was out. I told her she could not go home she could use the porta john like everyone else. I then let the EA with the Master’s select the next bookkeeper. My last AA, also shared with my former boss, tried teaching elementary school for a few years. Claire had carte blanche to rewrite and correct and letters. When she complained about the Engineers under me and others not writing suitably, I sent them all to a training class on how to write correct business letters. Some of these guys thought you could write 1 paragraph letters.

I am sorry I have drifted off subject. High School Counselors need to stop some of this crap, we can not send every female that graduates to study Sociology.


May 16th, 2012
1:53 pm

another comment, I highly recommend you consult a doctor in the near future. I believe you have schizophrenia.

Turd Blossom

May 16th, 2012
3:48 pm

“If these college graduates took substantive courses like math, science, business, they would come out of school equipt to do some meaningful work.”

Apparently, they’d also come out of school not knowing how to spell “equipped.”

Red Card

May 16th, 2012
4:00 pm

“I have two nieces that graduated in the past two years and both started jobs making over $70,000 per year. Now one graduated from Tech with a degree in IE and the other from Cornell with a degree in a specialized accounting field.”

If they even exist, your nieces are most likely lying. Industrial engineering is considered Tech’s “cake” major and, aside from civil engineering, pays the least. Moreover, Cornell doesn’t even offer an accounting degree.

ROn Burgundy

May 16th, 2012
4:32 pm

Instead of worrying about their wages we really need to worry about borrowing money and giving them .0005% interest rates on student loans. the kids who worked or had parents pay can deal with it….darn one percenters!

William Casey

May 16th, 2012
4:41 pm

Damn! I guess that I’m just lucky to have the son that I do. This generation isn’t any worse than any other. Different, yes. Worse? NO. I would be happy if my son wanted to move in with me after graduation. In fact, I’ve encouraged him to so for a couple of years and save for the down payment on a house. No basement for Beau, he gets the upstairs apartment that he now occupies when he’s home from college. Beyond the fact that I love him and enjoy his company, here are my reasons:

1. I’ve began schooling him about all aspects of money when he was 14. He learned exactly what our family income was, our expenses, investments, real estate and how much money was in the college fund established when he was six months old. He learned that carrying a balance on credit cards was a rip-off. He learned how to negotiate buying a car. Lots more, but you get the picture. I have little sympathy for parents who fail to train their children and then wonder why they are financial idiots at age 21.

2. Debt sucks. Beau knows this. He’s doing a dual degree program in mathematics and philosophy. To accomplish this without debt, he’s taken academic overloads and worked 20 hours a week as a math tutor, banking $550 per month. That, plus Zell Miller plus our college fund covers it. 3.6 GPA Pretty good work ethic resulted from his knowing what was expected.

3. Passion vs. Practicality: His mathematics degree will make him money. Ideas are his passion. For those with less lucrative passions such as myself (history & basketball,) my advice is to follow your dream but train yourself in something you can tolerate to make money. I used real estate and was able to retire comfortably at 56. That strategy probably wouldn’t work now.

4. Finally, were Beau to move in with me, he would calculate the market rate for a roommate in this area and pay me that amount. Again, long standing training.

Even in this difficult economy, young people can do fine if parents do their job. I guess I’m bragging. So be it.


May 16th, 2012
5:03 pm

Just goes to show you, train your kids to be prepared for anything. A good work ethic and some work or volunteer experience goes a long way in job hunting. Recent family graduate (who would have graduated a semester earlier if a certain local university had not canceled the one last class she needed to graduate) was so happy to get a job in her field of physical therapy/rehabilitation (healthcare is solid, don’t you know). There are not enough people scheduled for therapy to keep her hours up so she is relying on her “other” job in retail to help out and is now being asked to train in retail management. When one door closes, look for another way to get in!

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A Different Perspective

May 16th, 2012
7:47 pm

@ NONPC Try to remember that one person’s tough times are
in the eyes of the beholder. You received $22,000,but
some of your expenses were also not as high as
the expenses that most graduates face today.

Cost of Living 1985

How Much things cost in 1985

Yearly Inflation Rate USA 3.55%
Year End Close Dow Jones Industrial Average 1546
Interest Rates Year End Federal Reserve 10.75%
Average Cost of new house $89,330
Median Price Of and Existing Home $75,500
Average Income per year $22,100.00
Average Monthly Rent $375.00
Average Price for new car $9,005.00
1 gallon of gas $1.09
Movie Ticket $2.75
US Postage Stamp 22 cents

New York Times

Reining In College Tuition
Published: February 3, 2012

A smart analysis by State Higher Education Executive Officers, a nonprofit group, shows clearly what has happened in public higher education since 1985. In Michigan, for example, the net tuition paid per student (after financial aid) rose from about $3,900 in 1985 to nearly $9,000 in 2010, in inflation adjusted dollars. A similar jump occurred in Pennsylvania, where net tuition per student has gone from about $4,500 in 1985 to more than $8,800 in 2010

Atlanta Mom

May 16th, 2012
8:10 pm

Another Comment has hit the nail on the head. I particularly relate to her statement : the high school guidence counselor tells them they should do what they really love what they are passionate about.
I can’t tell you the number of students I know who are going off to college to be a Doctor. Everybody says they can be anything they want to be. Well, guess what? If you aren’t a straight A high school student, and you haven’t scored high on your SATs, you aren’t going to be a Doctor. Oh, you don’t test well. And you think you’re going to medical school?
My daughter just today was talking about a student who had failed general chemistry twice–but she’s going to be a brain surgeon. Yeah, uh huh. Follow your passion.

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May 16th, 2012
10:53 pm

Maybe we need to enlighten the high school counselors who encourage students to reach for the “best” school that will accept them. Most of the counselors start with “so what school do you think would be the best fit for you?”. The question should be, “what is the best school for you as a Return on Investment”? At some point, students and their parents will begin to ask this question. Also, encouraging your child to major in a practical subject that has a niche society needs to fill is a good idea.

Good Mother

May 17th, 2012
8:05 am

or they should go into teaching whre the startig salary is $32,000 and you only have to work less than half the year. 365 days a year and work only 180, have a pension, work 7:30 to 4:30 on a long day and have health benefits and a personal and free blog to vent all your frustrations paid for by the AJC — and of course all those teacher gifts and collections.
At my child’s school there is a BIG collection at Christmas, a big collection at teacher week and another big collection as an “end of year gift.”
Oh, and it takes a miracle to get fired.
yes, college graduates, go into education – and teh degree is easy to get and you don’t even have to speak third grade English.


May 17th, 2012
8:51 am

“Red Card: Moreover, Cornell doesn’t even offer an accounting degree” We’re researching undergrad business programs for our rising senior. Cornell began offering an undergrad business program a handful of years ago (now ranked between 10-15 in the nation) to compete with Wharton .. they’ve had an MBA program for many years. We are trying to figure out why the undergrad and grad programs aren’t housed in the same place — it could be to let NYers attend for lower tuition because for certain Cornell programs, NY residents can attend for $20k a year.

Obvious Troll Is Obvious

May 17th, 2012
9:34 am

This morning’s award goes to GM’s post at 8:05.

William Casey

May 17th, 2012
12:21 pm

Always inspiring to read GM’s cheery posts. BTW– bitterness is its own reward.

Truth in Moderation

May 17th, 2012
1:44 pm

An economics primer for the victims of the jobless economy:

“Everything You Always Wanted to know About Naked Short Selling….But Were Too Ignorant to Ask”


May 17th, 2012
2:32 pm

Red Card: Let me correct you. Georgia Tech’s ISyE program has been ranked number 1 for more than two decades. It’s easily one of the most versatile degrees since it can be applied in a wide range of jobs.

You call it a “cake” major, but that is because of the demanding classes are towards the end of college. The capstone project is widely regarded to be the hardest senior design class at Tech. Basically your 8 person team is a consultant for a company that you have to find on your own and convince them to let you work for them. This gives you some SERIOUS experience and connections with the business world.

Yes, I am a student in the program and I have a Co-Operative job. Yes, it does pay me $24 dollars an hour. Do I expect to be able to leverage my work experience and superior education to get more than $70K a year after I graduate? Yeah, that may be possible.

Good Mother

May 17th, 2012
3:12 pm

and yet…teachers complain how much they are underpaid.
Here’s proof they aren’t.
In a horrific economy, teachers have it made.

Dekalb Teacher and Mom

May 17th, 2012
5:13 pm

@Good Mother-Trust me when I tell you that I spend more of my personal money on my students than their parents spend on me for Christmas, Teacher Appreciation Week and end of year gifts combined.

da bear

May 18th, 2012
10:45 am

I rent housing, and can tell you why littl baby can’t move out. Standards are too high.

Baby needs a bathroom for every bedroom, but can’t afford it. I regularly get rental requests for a three bedroom NO LESS than two bath for two people (gotta have a guest room). When asked what they can pay, no more than 600$ per month.

Unrealistic. In the town I liv ein that is $800 per month minimum. A three br one bath is not even considered at $725.

Ole Guy

May 18th, 2012
2:56 pm

Life, Liberty, and the PURSUIT of Happiness…got it! Not Happiness, but the PURSUIT of same. Why, then, does this topic warrant any discussion? Young college grads are SUPPOSED to have to scratch out a living on chicken feed. THAT’S THE FREQUIN WAY IT’S FREQUIN SUPPOSED TO BE!

Live in an apartment…not me, not MY daughter, not MY son. They should all live in nice houses, drive only the best in automotive technology, eat out 15 meals a week, etc, etc, etc.

Howbout we stop giving these people ammo to feel sorry for themselves. That degree, in and of itself, don’t entitle nobody to nuthin except a fair shot at a job and maybe even a little self-satisfaction that they did it. Anything else is icing on the cake.

Eric M. Brown

May 18th, 2012
3:24 pm

Hey Struthers,
I am a college graduate of a well reputed 4 year accredited academic institution in Washington, DC who took substantive courses in math and science. I never did drink my way through college because I am not a regular alcohol drinker; in fact I have only drinked at most 2 times in my whole life of 31 years. My major was philosophy and my minor was math and I took extra courses in physics. I am currently unemployed making less than $10,0000 a year as a math tutor and of course at home living with my mother. It is easier for me to acces pornography or contraception then to get a living income job. Welcome to the Obama Nation!


May 19th, 2012
1:09 pm

You excepted me to believe a college graduate from a good school would use the word “drinked”? Not buying it, moron. Try looking for a job after you get your GED.

Ole Guy

May 19th, 2012
3:04 pm

Guys guys! Don’t sweat the small stuff…46 years ago: “Twelv munces ago, I cudent speil pilot; now I are wun”.

Far far too many folks allow themselves to become distracted over relatively superflous stuff. Brown’s got a story…unfortunately, a sad story of the times; whether his situation is one of “self-design” or simply an unfortunate reflection of the economic doldrums in which many find themselves, try comprehending the gd message. Your propensity, euler, like so many, to allow yourself to lose focus on the big picture in favor of “sweating the small stuff’, like a mis-spelled word or poor writing style, only muddies up the entire discussion.

Brown…been there done that, Pal. It’s tough reporting to some crummy job when, just a few months ago, you walked across the platform, degree in hand and full of promise. I know this is far easier said than done, but…KEEP YOUR EYE ON THE BALL, GUY! YOUR TIME IN THE SUN WLL COME.


May 19th, 2012
3:43 pm

@ Ole Guy. Noble sentiments that you address to “Eric M. Brown,” but I think that “euler”s point is that Brown’s post is made-up. I agree. There are all kinds of internal signs– majoring in philosophy and then minoring in math with some physics courses thrown in–ridiculous. “Drinked.” Misspelling “access” and “than.” Clearly all a pretext for slamming Obama and his political followers.