In tandem with my earlier blog on the Fordham panel on digital learning, I want to direct you to a blog from Will Richardson, a former public school educator and author of several books on learning and technology.
Richardson writes in response to this week’s Education Innovation Summit at Arizona State University and begins with a series of tweets from educator and blogger Chris Lehmann about the Gates Foundation sponsored event. Lehmann is principal of the Science Leadership Academy in Philadelphia and co-chair of EduCon.
Among Lehmann’s tweets about the summit: Educators – if you don’t see that there is a billion dollar industry wanting to take over schools using tech as the Trojan Horse, wake up…Jeb Bush has said: a) he does not read edu research. b) he does not care about anything that is not a test score. Problematic…This is what scares me – those who do not believe in schools will use edu-tech-speak to dismantle the things we hold most dear.
In his blog, Richardson writes:
The strategy has become really clear: villify unions and teachers through policy and public outcry in ways that effectively compromise our voices when we push back, continue to frame education accountability in terms of our ability to compete against the world (as opposed to collaborate with the world) and, finally, promote more and more objective tests as the way to measure everything from “student achievement” to teacher effectiveness to teacher education programs to, oh, I don’t know, maybe how well the plumbing works. That is the recipe now to a) gain political favor and b) make lots and lots of money. And it’s working.
I’m not convinced anyone in the conversation wants to do harm to kids. But I am convinced that all of this is being driven by dollars. Tech is a huge part of this, not because it can enhance real learning in all of the ways we share in our network, but because it creates all sorts of efficiencies that are just now being realized. Want to really personalize learning in ways that a single teacher in a classroom can’t? Not a problem. Want to have kids write more, a lot more, while not having to grade any of it? Not a problem.
You get the idea. Remember this from last November?
This legislative juggernaut has coincided with a gold rush of investors clamoring to get a piece of the K-12 education market. It’s big business, and getting bigger: One study estimated that revenues from the K-12 online learning industry will grow by 43 percent between 2010 and 2015, with revenues reaching $24.4 billion.
And thereyago. “We need a grass roots rejection of this,” Chris Tweets, and I agree. We as a community of educators who see the learning world in quite a different light really do need to start discussing and debating this in meaningful, ongoing ways.
–From Maureen Downey, for the AJC Get Schooled blog
190 comments Add your comment
Beverly Fraud
April 22nd, 2012
4:24 am
Edu CON sounds like what the “privateers” are trying to foist on an unsuspecting (rather NON discerning) populace.
Problem is, Edu CON is what the government is CURRENTLY FOISTING on the public, creating the vacuum that allows Jeb Bush/McGraw Hill and company an opening.
Peter Smagorinsky
April 22nd, 2012
6:14 am
Thanks to Maureen for alerting us to this meeting and its consequences. Is this the education you hope your kids get?
Elizabeth
April 22nd, 2012
6:28 am
I agree completely. I think the goal is to dismantle public schools as we know them and create somethng entirely different and not advantageous to kids.And it’s happening faster than I thought it would.
sloboffthestreet
April 22nd, 2012
6:31 am
Well Mr. Smagorinski, the question that needs to be answered is could it be any worse than the education our children receive today?
Survey says,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Probably not,,,,,,,, SAD FACE
VietVet
April 22nd, 2012
7:20 am
Sloboffthestreet,
Sorry, but privatized education can often be much worse than public, little more than American madrases, where ideologues essentially indoctrinate students. In some science is replaced with religion, history with mythology, critical thinking is outlawed and all material must support the worldview of the propagandists who run the schools.
Mary Elizabeth
April 22nd, 2012
7:21 am
“I’m not convinced anyone in the conversation wants to do harm to kids. But I am convinced that all of this is being driven by dollars.”
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When the bottom line in educating children becomes the dollar, whether the intent to “harm the kids” is present or not, ultimately the “kids” will be harmed because they will have been used to serve the mercenary interests of businessmen and women, instead of having public servants serve their (the students’) interests. This is why we must continue to rally support for public education.
Let me remind all, once again, that one of the primary goals of ALEC has been to dismantle public education for private education by having corporations work with state legislators throughout the nation, to accomplish this end. Notice the numbers of corporations who want, now, to invest in education. Interesting, don’t you think? Students used for profit, and teachers viewed as commodities.
As I just wrote in the last thread, “I believe every American has the right to a good public education, adequate health care, and the security of Social Security in his or her old age. This is what FDR believed, also, and these are reasons why I remain an FDR Democrat. I, also, believe that by supporting and securing these human rights for all Americans, we insure that America will remain a humane nation in which to live and raise our young.”
When the bottom line in America becomes the dollar, even in arenas in which public servants have previously prevailed, America, herself, is in danger of becoming less humane in her vision and in her consciousness.
Goodforkids
April 22nd, 2012
7:25 am
His summary gets to the crux of all that is going on. What worries me is his statement that those who know education should “start discussing and debating” the situation. Meanwhile, the business folks with money and influence are “having their way” with k12 education. A battle has been waged, and we don’t have effective strategy to counter the tanks that have already rolled in the buildings.
Tony
April 22nd, 2012
7:31 am
While the politicians and businessmen continue their quest to “standardize” all our classrooms through their “accountability” and “teacher quality” initiatives, they are flushing our kids’ education right down the toilet. Teachers know and understand the importance of relationships with children they teach. All this techno-babble by the politicians will not lead to better performance from our children. Technology is simply a tool, not the means.
Willie
April 22nd, 2012
7:41 am
Profit does not scare me at all. I don’t really listen to the people who get all excited about “evil” profit. The profit motive has been responsibile for a great deal of motivation, investment and good service. Too often profits have been channelled to buddies or inisders. I am a lot more excited about profit motives when parents are making decisons than when the government is making the choices
Goodforkids
April 22nd, 2012
7:41 am
Using the link to the education summit provided by Maureen above, I clicked on the summit tab and scrolled through the list of “presenting companies” and read their brief descriptions. Wow! Look how many businesses have their hands out…ahem, meant to say, are striving to help teachers and students.
Jordan Kohanim
April 22nd, 2012
7:55 am
Thank you for posting this, Maureen!
This is my biggest fear as an educator. Sadly, I have no hope the trend will be reversed in time.
crankee_yankee
April 22nd, 2012
8:08 am
I will focus on the state of GA. We are getting what we pay for. The few (very few) counties that supplement their education budgets, elect board of ed members who value kids’ education, support meaningful staff development and make decisions based on the needs of the kids send those kids to post-secondary schools where they are successful and subsequently enter the job market prepared. The rest do not. Look at what goes on in the counties that do not and you will understand why GA is a perennial low educational achiever nationally.
But now, the infection is beginning to spread. Look at the announcement from Gwinnett about Louise Radloff considering not running for the board of ed again, she cites one of the reasons to be the demographics shift in her zone as a result of GOP redistricting. There isn’t a more dedicated nor formidable proponent of kids’ education that I know of. She has spent 40 years helping develop Gwinnett become one of the few educationally sound systems in this state. So why was she redistricted? Maybe because she makes educational decisions based on sound educational research and not the political rhetoric du jour.
What say you GA, are you ready to stand up and fight for what is best for your kids? Or will you continue to listen to those who just want to pick your pockets in the disguised name of increased profits?
Maureen, please email me about something you should look into that is happening in another county. It reeks.
HoneyFern
April 22nd, 2012
8:17 am
Public schools as we know them don’t work, but the answer is not designing more of the same (i.e., Common Core Standards instead of the Georgia Performance Standards that replaced the Quality Core Curriculum) but to change the model entirely. Notice how the CCS came out just as all states had finally rolled out all levels of standards (a 5-8 year process in many cases)? This is re-packaging; new standards themselves will do nothing to improve education.
There is nothing new in education, just what works and what doesn’t. Public ed continues to cling to what doesn’t work, which, fortunately for edu-crats and business people, happens to pay very well.
And no, GA is not ready to stand up and fight for what is best for kids. We need education that doesn’t look anything like what we have now, and that is far too radical a change for most people. We are still educating factory workers; problem is, the factories are gone, and companies with highly-skilled positions cannot find workers (yes, I have a source, form the middle of the recession in 2010). We indicate our unwillingness to change every time we focus on test scores or explain away low graduation rates instead of treating the people behind the stats as, well, people.
Dr. Craig Spinks/ Georgians for Educational Excellence
April 22nd, 2012
8:29 am
Mr. Richardson,
With all due respect, “all this is being driven by the dollars” has been true of GAPubEd for all the years I’ve been worked in and have otherwise been involved with it.
The money-grubbing GA educracy didn’t sprout Athena-like from the heads of GA taxpayers last week. Money-grubbing involving public schools is nothing new to The Peach State.
carlosgvv
April 22nd, 2012
8:29 am
“all of this is being driven by dollars”
Our Georgia legislature will do anything to keep the money flowing to their corporate masters.
Money talks and BS walks.
Dr. Craig Spinks/ Georgians for Educational Excellence
April 22nd, 2012
8:31 am
MISTAKE: Line 3- delete “worked.”
Dr. Craig Spinks/ Georgians for Educational Excellence
April 22nd, 2012
8:31 am
MISTAKE: Line 3- delete “worked.”
Hey Teacher
April 22nd, 2012
8:32 am
I wonder where the CEO’s of the K-12 online learning companies send their kids? I would bet it isn’t the public schools they are targeting, but rather a traditional private school.
ScienceTeacher671
April 22nd, 2012
8:36 am
@sloboffthestreet: the question that needs to be answered is could it be any worse than the education our children receive today?,,,,,Probably not
I don’t know where your children go to school, but what I’ve found is that the education children receive in my area depends upon 3 things: (#1) the quality of the schools/teachers, (#2) the motivation of the student, and to the extent that it influences #1 and #2, (#3) parental involvement.
Our school is considered a “failing school,” largely because our black male and special education populations don’t do as well overall as the other students do, although we do have individual black males and students with IEPs who do quite well, thank you.
We also have students taking AP classes, and former students doing quite well at military academies, medical schools, etc. The students who have the intellectual capacity to learn and who value education do exceedingly well. Those who are just trying to get by and do the minimum amount possible, not so much, because the minimum the state of Georgia will accept is pretty darn low.
teacher&mom
April 22nd, 2012
8:53 am
Is the trend troubling you?
Yes.
I’m sharing this link from my small union cubicle *ahem*. (A little Sunday AM humor for those who still have a sense of humor)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vn-SfH15e70&context=C4ef23eeADvjVQa1PpcFPvgDec91xMp6kT4xfZRSGtparb4MpkpGs
Mary Elizabeth
April 22nd, 2012
9:01 am
Instead of writing off groups of students within public education, educators need to address accurately students’ individual instructional levels – whatever their grade levels happens to be – and educators need to make a concentrated effort to involve parents in the process of teaching these students where they are functioning. Addressing those two factors will do much to improve public education and doing so will help to motivate further students and their parents.
Also, informing legislators that programs to help impoverished citizens move out of poverty will help to improve public education, but that will take government funding. Legislators must realize that they cannot continue cutting government funding and address the poverty problem, adequately.
Mary Elizabeth
April 22nd, 2012
9:04 am
Correction: “whatever their grade levels happen to be”
bootney farnsworth
April 22nd, 2012
9:04 am
bother me? it scares the hell out of me.
all you gotta do is look at GPC to see how this crap can run amok.
1-a management topheavy with stupid titles promoting a culture of fear
2-students as “customers”? WTH?
3-rampant fiscal mismanagement favoring the top
4-a dehumanizing abusive approach to employee relations
there’s a reason only 1 public education entity made the AJC top 100 list
bootney farnsworth
April 22nd, 2012
9:11 am
@ Mary Elizabeth,
we’d love to deal with the students at individual levels.
we can’t.
students, our “customers” are the smokescreen we use for shameless
self promotion and social engineering.
unless an individual student happens to be a 1/3 black, 1/3 latino (preferrabley illegal), 1/3 US Indian who is in a wheelchair, blind, gay, with a male pattern baldness, transgender, who wants to play in the NAB.
then, maybe, we’ll treat them as individuals.
dekalbed
April 22nd, 2012
9:12 am
So who is profiting?
1. The overpaid out of school administrators/”educators” who receive “market” salaries despite any “market” checks and balances. Exactly, how many of these DCSS-or is it DCSD now?-are evaluated (or will be under RTT) the way a teacher (in many cases, more educated, experienced, and effective) making a half to a third less?
2. Testmakers. If AP exams are $80 a pop, then DCSS paid more than a half million dollars for students to take AP exams last year. For what benefit? In 16 of the 22 school, less than 20% of the exams taken earned a score of 3 or higher. And who tracks these AP students purported to benefit from taking these classes even if they don’t perform well on the exam? From what I can tell, it’s self-reporting data. And DCSS paid for every freshmen and sophomore, regardless of diploma track, class schedule, or reading level-to take the PSAT last year. So how much did college board profit just from Dekalb?
3. Computer companies that get to exploit “data-driven” instruction. Apparently, DCSS is going to direct some of the $34 million in RTT funds to a new data system, despite the current IDMS that allows every teacher (and any other administrator genuinely interested in using such information) to access students’ grades and test scores.
4. Textboook manufacturers that get to exploit the “newest” approach to learning. Apparently, we can bypass the fundamentals of basic grammar and reading.
5. Companies that get to create and score teacher evaluations. The more we require the more we need.
bootney farnsworth
April 22nd, 2012
9:13 am
or, of course, if they can run the ball for 100 yeards a game. make them ‘dawg worthy and they transend individual and become royalty
bootney farnsworth
April 22nd, 2012
9:18 am
@ dekalbed
I don’t object to management making more than me in theory. they’re supposed to be paid to make tough decisions for the best interest of the school
theory and reality don’t match however.
it is incomprehensible how management continues to get raises while everyone else’s pay is frozen or cut. its not like they’ve been earning the raises no one else is getting.
if we were really running ed like a successful business, most of them would be out for mismanagement. more than a few would be in legal trouble for mismanagement of funds.
yet the beatings continue until moral improves. by the outraged employee being beaten to death
Lee
April 22nd, 2012
9:25 am
@Slob, re “…the question that needs to be answered is could it be any worse than the education our children receive today? Survey says…Probably not…SAD FACE”
As a parent who sent one child through public and the other through private, that’s what many public education advocates fail to realize, a significant percentage of public schools are providing an inferior service. And in doing so, they are handing the proponents of privatization a cause on a silver platter.
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Folks, the Brown vs Board and subsequent integration decisions sealed the fate of American public schools. The idea of equal outcomes for two disparate ability groups was doomed from the start. Add to that the mainstreaming of SPED students and you have a recipe for disaster.
The solution would be to group by achievement level and provide instruction at a pace and level commensurate with each groups level. But, the politically correct pathogens will never allow this. To do so would illustrate the differences between the ethnic groups and that is considered the third rail of political correctness.
I’m saving money to put the grandkids in private school. Y’all can do what you want.
Ron F.
April 22nd, 2012
9:30 am
“it is incomprehensible how management continues to get raises while everyone else’s pay is frozen or cut. its not like they’ve been earning the raises no one else is getting.”
Many in education would, I think, agree with you on that one! And this isn’t in private business, which IMO would make it even worse. At least as a public institution those figures have to be public. Bring in the private enterprises to run the schools, and there will be absolutely no transparency or accountability for it. What we have now may not be working, for various reasons, but private companies aren’t going to be able to make anything better out of the same group of kids, no matter what glitzy program they have.
teacher&mom
April 22nd, 2012
9:34 am
For those who are interested….This site provides hundreds of links to articles throughout the country regarding Common Core (she is not a proponent), Business/Ed reform, Duncan, NCLB/RttT, etc.
Sign up for her newsletter. Whether you agree or disagree with her ideas, she does an exceptional job of covering pertinent education news across the U.S. When you read what is happening in other states and compare it to GA, you realize this is a well orchestrated movement…
http://susanohanian.org/index.php
ssteacher
April 22nd, 2012
9:36 am
It’s good to see that you are now reading and reporting and reporting the words and ideas of the real education reformers in the country. Will and Chris have been saying this for nearly a decade. There are many others who have yet to have a voice outside their blogs, actual education conferences, and TEDx events. Here’s an example of Chris’s philosophy of education in the 21st century. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FEMCyHYTyQ
Really?
April 22nd, 2012
9:38 am
@scienceteacher671 –”I don’t know where your children go to school, but what I’ve found is that the education children receive in my area depends upon 3 things: (#1) the quality of the schools/teachers, (#2) the motivation of the student, and to the extent that it influences #1 and #2, (#3) parental involvement. ”
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Exactly. I am a university professor in a science department. The success there really is not that much different for students. The problem is that the best and brightest do not go into education for a number of reasons including discipline in the classroom (not a s great a problem in college/grad classes), salary and unfortunately, prestige. Educators at any level are not held in high regard and in fact are denigrated (see most bloggers on this page daily).
Our greatest economic asset in the US is that countries send their best and brightest HERE to receive college and especially graduate degrees. This asset, however, is sinking fast as the students are returning to their home countries where increasingly strong universities are being built.
The US graduation rates are pathetic. The student preparation for the work force, college and post secondary degrees continues to be less that than of students in other countries (where they have government run institutions as well, so you can’t fault that as the problem here). The problem… parents really don’t care about their students education. It’s all about them (the parents), acquisition of wealth and new toys, many of which they rain on their kids to their own detriment (computer games, obsessions with tweeting, texting etc from smart phones etc).
The students from foreign countries coming here and first generation high school and college students make our own look pathetic. Why? Because their parents put education above the toys, above the sports and other extracurricular activities.
Sorry for the rant… it bothers me every single day… multiple times…..
teacher&mom
April 22nd, 2012
9:40 am
Could the AJC PLEASE FOLLOW THE MONEY?
This spring the GaDOE is shifting to system-wide computer administered EOCT’s in preparation for all whole scale computerized testing in the next couple of years.
How much do they estimate this will cost?
Who will pay to increase district-wide bandwidth to handle the volume?
How many districts will be forced to purchase additional technology?
Will this require districts to add additional technology support?
Why computerized tests? The old scantron system did work. The turn around time was less than a week.
Could this be the REAL reason we’ve heard so much about technology recently? Could the REAL reason be more about computerized testing and less about instructional technology? Could this be a “palatable” way to sell technology to the public? I’m just curious.
How much extra time will this require in testing?
Just one small example and only the tip of the money iceberg.
yuzeyurbrane
April 22nd, 2012
9:40 am
Traditional public schools will still be there for the underclass as trade schools for hardworking, thrifty poor. See Charles Dickens. Real reason. The educ. busn. will go where the money.
Dr. John Trotter
April 22nd, 2012
9:44 am
I have been saying for years that it’s ALL about the money. The school board members, legislators, and public as a whole are wholly naive about the motive of “the wise men.” The “wise men” are businessmen who see that public education is closer to a trillion dollar industry than a billion dollar industry. Heck, isn’t a billion dollars just a thousand millions? (I have always been pretty good in basic math. Ha! Is it failing me now?) Several schools here in Georgia have budgets of over a billion dollars, right? Folks, it’s always been about the cheddar. We at MACE have been saying this for years. Again, thanks for thinking our thoughts after us. Ha! Have a great Sunday!
Ron F.
April 22nd, 2012
10:00 am
“:The students from foreign countries coming here and first generation high school and college students make our own look pathetic. Why? Because their parents put education above the toys, above the sports and other extracurricular activities.”
I think for many education is a priority, but it’s that nagging 20-40% that move the achievement needle up and down that we just haven’t found a way to reach yet. I’ve said many times on this blog that when we can find a way to make education as much a necessity as food, clothing, and shelter (and electronics these days!), the numbers will move up. All the “education reform” in the world, whether public or private, can’t fix that problem.
Old timer
April 22nd, 2012
10:14 am
Though I do not like what schools are becoming….American schools much of the time are not successfully. Sometimes I think we need to start over. But, we do not need to jump on every band wagon…Whole Language…MiddleSchools….New Math……
northatlantateacher
April 22nd, 2012
10:21 am
This is my biggest fear as an educator. I work in a county where we are on the “cutting edge” of technology use. I have no idea how much taxpayer money has been spent or who is responsible for making the decisions about what is purchased, but wow. What a lot of unnecessary spending.
For example, we have a program that will grade essays! Doesn’t that sound remarkable? It isn’t…a student can write the same paragraph 5 times and earn high marks if their repeated paragraph is free of grammatical errors. We are expected to use this regularly because the county bought and paid for it, apparently without discovering this nasty little glitch. What a joke.
The more that we descend down the rabbit hole, the clearer the picture becomes. The teacher is seen less and less as the subject area expert or authority, and more and more as the “facilitator” of learning through technology. I’m not sure this has to be a bad thing, but the current trend is not looking positive.
And PLEASE. Follow the money! I find it very telling that the shift to a national curriculum has the Gates Foundation at the helm.
Being Censored by @Maureen
April 22nd, 2012
10:23 am
Chris Lehmann is in complete denial and is a total cynic. ” Educators – if you don’t see that there is a billion dollar industry wanting to take over schools using tech as the Trojan Horse, wake up.” Well, you all need to wake up, including Mr. Lehmann, because it ALREADY is a billion dollar industry! The only problem is that the 3 major textbook publishers have a monopoly over public schools, controlling more than 85% of the core textbook market for K-12. Do you still want your children lugging around 50lb backpacks of outdated textbooks?
The question is how do you allow new entrants and competition into the “system,” break down long selling cycles, and offer incentives to teachers to incorporate digital learning into the classroom environment? Don’t assume that all for-profit learning products are “bad.” If you don’t like a company’s mission, values and business practices, then don’t buy their stuff!
But for you to deny that a multi-billion dollar industry doesn’t exist, is just plain ignorant! It also seems that Mr. Lehmann is a perfect example of protecting the status quo and thinking that technology will ruin everything. Technology is an ENABLER, not a replacement for teaching.
Jane W.
April 22nd, 2012
10:24 am
The education establishment is in the unfavorable situation Will Richardson admits to because parents and taxpayers see a telling stagnation in test scores—and tests remain the only truly objective measure of academic progress.
Profess to hate them to your heart’s content—but that ITBS results envelope is STILL the one you rush to open when your own child’s test scores arrive home.
An education establishment responding to continuing failures with stubborn denial, legerdemain, excuse-making and the relabeled education delivery gimmicks of yesteryear … are no more likely to win over over a skeptical public than your own adolescent is to fool YOU with his/her homework excuses.
And why the war on capitalism and competition in this blog? Do some imagine themselves as laughably pathetic Occupy Wall Street losers?
bootney farnsworth
April 22nd, 2012
10:28 am
there is no arguement that private schools are more effective than us “worthless” public sector educators. but there is much more to the story than that.
right now, private school make up a small amount of the overall educational landscape. this lets them pick from a select pool of applicants for both employment and their student bodies.
their tuition costs tend to create a pool of more well to do canidates
who are of like minds when it comes to education and accountability
the day we cease to exist and the public sector takes over entirely, the quality of private education will drop like a stone.
there’s a Wal-Mart on every corner. when’s the last time you got really good service from one?
Georgia and Education, not compatible
April 22nd, 2012
10:29 am
@ Dr. John Trotter,
I agree. Outsiders don’t have clue. Most educators(these are the top level admin people who decide for your children) do not negotiate. The companies tell them how much something will be and guess what…the bill is paid. It’s just that easy folks. What company wouldn’t want to do business with any school system?
bootney farnsworth
April 22nd, 2012
10:33 am
@ being censored
we already know education is a big business spun out of control.
we deal with that every day.
you’ve not discovered a new planet here. you’ve pointed at Jupiter
and claimed nobody has ever seen it before.
as we have stated time and again, WE KNOW THIS. we deal with it every single day. it is a problem we can’t fix at our level.
bootney farnsworth
April 22nd, 2012
10:35 am
last I checked, U of Phoenix, the poster child for profit higher ed, has a nasty habit of leaving students profoundly in debt.
bootney farnsworth
April 22nd, 2012
10:43 am
educators do NOT negotiate contracts.
the county/state has very specific guidelines on who and what can and can’t participate, and what we can and can’t do in the process.
once upon a time at GPC, many of us had purchase cards. it was less costly and much more efficient to let departments buy what and as they needed.
then we had the purchase card scandal. and the state wonks responded as they always do, with hysterical overreaction. instead of holding individuals who did wrong accountable, we punished everybody and went
back to the insane state contracts.
now we can only buy certain things from certain people under certain conditions. question now becomes, who did what to land the contracts?
bootney farnsworth
April 22nd, 2012
10:44 am
(sorry, accidentally hit send)
we, the rank and file, have zero control over who we buy from and limited control over who we can bid from.
bootney farnsworth
April 22nd, 2012
10:47 am
lets be honest here:
even if Jeb Bush only looks at test scores, he is not the problem.
nor the people who might think like him.
the problem is much bigger, has been around much longer.
instead of casting stones at Jeb Bush, go find a mirror.
Being Censored by @Maureen
April 22nd, 2012
10:59 am
Bootney, I know all of this. You’re not telling me anything I don’t already know. Teachers have no control over what they can use in the classroom, are underpaid, improperly evaluated, and given insufficient levels of professional development. That’s part of the “systemic” problem.
But don’t go screaming that more technology is bad. It’s time we fixed a more than 100 year old system and started motivating students. With the graduation rates as pathetic as they are, especially in APS, we need to take drastic action so we don’t lose an entire generation of kids to the welfare system, and possibly, the penal system.
bootney farnsworth
April 22nd, 2012
11:04 am
@ censored,
I’ve got no problem with the right technology.
problem is, we often get the wrong technology forced on us. worse, its seen as a cure all to multiple problems when it usually isn’t.
appropriate technology can help make a good teacher great. note the word help. kinda crutial. inappropriate technology can drag a good teacher down, and make a bad teacher worse.
bootney farnsworth
April 22nd, 2012
11:06 am
all the technology in the world ain’t gonna fix APS.
their issue is one of a corrupt culture run amok.
and frankly, the current generation of APS kids was lost before they
ever set foot into 1st grade
bootney farnsworth
April 22nd, 2012
11:09 am
do you really want education fixed? really?
or do you want a political hobbyhorse to ride?
if people worry about “big education”, then lets kill HOPE today.
HOPE is what drove the train off the rails.
Jane W.
April 22nd, 2012
11:19 am
Inertia and misdirected partisan loyalty is all that’s saving the monopolistic public school system from a long overdue top-to-bottom revamp at this point.
That and the cash union bosses are overtly and covertly using to frustrate progress.
Whatever more competitive system replaces the “the blob” of K-12 education—it will rightly face the same scrutiny too many of you bloggers with vested interests now shamelessly defame.
Bill Gates' 2012: A Technology Odyssey into the World of Education
April 22nd, 2012
11:21 am
Before proceeding full steam ahead with the thinking that something new, flashy and electronic is our savior to American education, how about a refresher from the world of science fiction – Stanley Kubrick’s 2001: A Space Odyssey.
Remember, HAL 9000, the good-turned-bad villainous computer that transformed from a helpful computer companion into a soulless murderer? Surely the scientists on that mission lived (or better put died) to regret their blind reliance on this “aid” in furtherance of their space mission.
Will society really –
• Abdicate the Role of Educating its Children from Humans (teachers), who have the ability to add critical thinking skills and human context to any lesson a child receives in a level that an individual child might find meaning and value in
• To a Computer programmed by humans who will likely never meet the children they are serving and thus cannot develop a program covering every nuisance that a high quality teacher uses in teaching a child?
For generations humans have developed and shaped the progress of our world through the likes of Albert Einstein, Benjamin Franklin, Socrates, Aristotle, Shakespeare, Pythagoras and too many other wonderful scientific, mathematical and literary greats without the aid or expense of technology. They were taught how to think by humans, not technology.
Bill Gates’ foray into the world of educational grants isn’t philanthropic if you consider the world from which his wealth was generated.
High-order rational thought with a conscious and understanding of consequence – purely a human phenomenon – something worth fighting for if society wants to raise civilized children as tomorrow’s future world leaders.
I love teaching. I hate what it is becoming...
April 22nd, 2012
11:35 am
@Jane W “And why the war on capitalism and competition in this blog?”
It isn’t a “war on capitalism and competition”. It is the recognition that some aspects of society are better served by a different approach than “capitalism and competition.” Not EVERYTHING in this country needs to be driven by the engines of C&C. It was decided, some years ago, to move to a C&C approach to health care – and look where that has gotten us. Education should not have profit as a bottom line. Teachers aren’t motivated by C&C…and WE are the ones serving the children. I am sickened by the increasing number of people making a profit off the work *I* do, while my take home pay gets less and less, and my students suffer from top down mandates that have much more to do with lining someone’s pockets than actually educating our youth!
Old Physics Teacher
April 22nd, 2012
11:40 am
Sloboffthestreet made a logic err,r and no one called him on it.
The simple error is this: Just because what’s occurring right now is not to your liking, is no guarantee that your “new idea” is going to be better. Maybe the problem is very complex and your simple solution will not work either AND MAY MAKE MATTERS WORSE! Education is one of those “problems” – so is politics. Just because the Radical Reactionary Republicans are idiots does not mean the Righteous Godly Democrats are any better.
Old Physics Teacher
April 22nd, 2012
11:41 am
sorry, “error”
Rick in Grayson
April 22nd, 2012
12:01 pm
In his blog, Richardson writes:
“The strategy has become really clear: villify unions and teachers through policy and public outcry in ways that effectively compromise our voices when we push back, continue to frame education accountability in terms of our ability to compete against the world (as opposed to collaborate with the world) and, finally, promote more and more objective tests as the way to measure everything from “student achievement” to teacher effectiveness to teacher education programs to, oh, I don’t know, maybe how well the plumbing works. That is the recipe now to a) gain political favor and b) make lots and lots of money. And it’s working”
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What is Richardson COMPLAINING about?
(1) villify unions and teachers through policy and public outcry in ways that effectively compromise our voices when we push back…
==> If the GA HS graduation rate is closer to 65% (new calculation method) instead of 80% (not sure, but the higher old calculation method). Correct me if I have the numbers “wrong enough” to change the argument, but when I attended HS, 65% was barely a passing grade. Shouldn’t the educational system (administrators and teachers) be villified? Oh, wait, I forgot that in many school districts F’s aren’t assigned for performance, make that grade a D! In this case, we don’t want to harm the self-esteem of our educators.
(2) continue to frame education accountability in terms of our ability to compete against the world (as opposed to collaborate with the world)…
==> Sorry, but we aren’t collaborating with the WORLD! Jobs are provided by companies and companies compete against each other for their profits. Of course, liberals educators might prefer that everyone gets an A or a “trophy” so that we don’t damage anyone’s self-esteem. I hear that some schools don’t want to have students inform other’s that they made it into Harvard (any other school) because it might hurt someone’s feelings. I’m sure the Chinese and Indians are picking up on that sentiment.
Why do we have to import “talent” from China and India? Again, the numbers of foreign workers in hi-tech industries is very high, sometimes more than 50% of corporate teams.
(3) promote more and more objective tests as the way to measure everything from “student achievement” to teacher effectiveness to teacher education programs to, oh, I don’t know, maybe how well the plumbing works.
==> aren’t objective tests the best way to measure anything? Does anyone here want to champion subjective tests (except English teachers on a creative writing assignment)? Objective tests do in fact measure student achievement in the aggregate!
Nothing can be said about the performance of teachers unless teachers teach the same students the same curricula. The population being measured must be the same/similar to have any statistical merit and that just isn’t going to happen except in a controlled study.
That being said, we can measure the effectiveness of the whole educational system. Studies have indicated that the actual IQ of students have increased over the last 40 years due to better nutrition, but it this reflected in the 65% GA graduation rate? Even the SAT’s had to be re-adjusted/normalized in the 1990’s to add 100 points to the combined M+V scores. That doesn’t seem to indicate progress on standardized tests (although more students may have had the wrong indication that they were “college” ready).
Is it for lack of money/resources? I’d like to see someone compile the cost of education/student adjusted for inflation. Maybe that would provide an indication of whether or not today’s educational system is better, worse, or the same as the system we had when I attended HS.
Mary Elizabeth
April 22nd, 2012
12:13 pm
bootney,
You took my post on individualizing instsruction in public education too personally. My post was intended as much for those at the state and country district office levels – who set curriculum that is standardized for every student (regardless of instructional level need) – as for classroom teachers.
Once an “illness” is correctly diagnosed, then the proper medication can be prescribed, but until the problem is diagnosed correctly, the prescription will be off, and the problem will not be solved. Individualizing instruction to student need remains a primary key toward achieving a more improved public educational system, as well as a primary “cure” for a very high drop out rate.
Several teachers who have posted on this blog, including “teacher&mom” and “Ron F,” have previously written excellent posts which indicated how they have individualized instruction within their classrooms – in spite of conditions that have not been that supportive to its occurring.
I post often regarding the need for individualizing instruction so that many will not fail to see this very important key to improving public education. My writing, hopefully, will be of help to classroom teachers, ultimately. I had spent most of my 35 year educational career as a classroom teacher and I have only been fully retired for five years.
Ron F.
April 22nd, 2012
12:16 pm
“tests remain the only truly objective measure of academic progress.”
Jane: That’s the only tool we’ve tried up to this point. The old saying “if your only tool is a hammer, then you treat everything like a nail” applies, IMO. We are taught, as teachers, to know, understand, and use children’s unique learning abilities as we plan, assess, teach, and reteach curricula. We’re pushed to differentiate, which I fully believe in and do every day in my classroom- and I see the positive results. It bothers me that the only seemingly objective tool we have to formally assess goes against every ounce of teaching sense out there. If we truly teach to children’s needs, but the bottom line is a one-size fits all test, then we’ll never see progress or true results. I’m not against change in education- in twenty-plus years I’ve seen a lot of it and we still haven’t found the magic formula. And we won’t as long as we continue to subject children to the overabundance of standardized testing that doesn’t really give anyone a whit of real information about what a child has learned or knows. Couple competition and reform with advanced measures of learning (and there are options that need exploring out there), and I think you’ll see a lot of the seeming naysayers here jump on board. Food for thought, I hope.
Rick in Grayson
April 22nd, 2012
12:42 pm
From Mary Elizabeth’s comment:
Several teachers who have posted on this blog, including “teacher&mom” and “Ron F,” have previously written excellent posts which indicated how they have individualized instruction within their classrooms – in spite of conditions that have not been that supportive to its occurring.
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Ron F: I have read your last comment and it’s clear that you are a dedicated and probably wonderful teacher.
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The point that I would like to challenge you on is the appropriateness of “If we truly teach to children’s needs”.
Is the point of public education an individualized study plan for each child? Do we have the money/resources for such efforts? I’m sure it helps the individual child, but is there a large measurable effect?
If we used “technology” such as video instead of teachers to impart basic generalized knowledge on a subject (European History), wouldn’t that free up teachers from teaching the same basics of a subject over and over again? Why do we need 40 teachers in a school system to teach the same European History basics? Frankly, when I was in school, I didn’t see much difference from listening to a teacher or simply reading the textbook. Video/computer presentations can include very rich multi-media experiences for students. Would I rather read about the Nazi’s in WWII or see the abuses of prisoners in the concentration camps and soldiers dying on the shores of Normandy? Not all teachers are of the same quality, but every teacher could contribute ideas or delivery of material on a video/computer presentation that can be used by students at their leisure. Assign video/computer labs and provide time (study halls) where students can bring their questions to individual teachers. Feedback can then be used to improve the presentation of the subject.
crankee_yankee
April 22nd, 2012
1:07 pm
@Rick in Grayson
“…we don’t want to harm the self-esteem of our educators.”
You voted for the rubes making the rules in the legislature. It isn’t my self-esteem I care about, I am at peace with who I am. I fear for the damage being done because of the handcuffs we educators are burdened with due to inane legislation which has cut 4 billion dollars from education in GA in the past 10 years. So how is this “economy” working for you? Not so much? Lets blame the education community who can’t do what they could 10 years ago before “austerity cuts”, NCLB, RTTT, etc.
“Sorry, but we aren’t collaborating with the WORLD”
Yes, we are. The last time you spoke to customer service for some defective product you purchased from a Korean distributor, manufactured by a Chinese company, shipped by a Japanese freighter & assembled by a Mexican plant, was your call directed to a call center on the Indian sub-continent maybe?
“aren’t objective tests the best way to measure anything?”
No, valid & reliable assessments of PEOPLE include SUBJECTIVE data. Machinery can be assessed objectively, people, not so much. Are you equating our kids with factory output?
Today’s education system is merely a shadow of what it was a mere 10 years ago, our kids can’t THINK. But they sure as hell know how to squeeze every last point out of a multiple choice test using the tips & tricks of the latest test-taking skills program. Why are companies preferring to hire older workers? They CAN think beyond bubble sheets. This is what has been done to our kids.
Jane W.
April 22nd, 2012
1:15 pm
@Ron F. From what I see above (and your previous posts) couldn’t you be rightly classified as peerless among the naysayers?
“Standardized testing that doesn’t really give anyone a whit of real information about what a child has learned or knows?” Are you trying out, Ron, for the Olympics of Hyperbole? Do you/would you toss out—without even opening—your own child’s ITBS results envelope??
I didn’t think so.
Teachers are blamed for MUCH they have no control over. We all accept that. But those among them who doggedly refuse to consider that decades of failure call for a much more robust approach to innovation and reform … do parents and their children a great and lasting disservice.
bootney farnsworth
April 22nd, 2012
1:35 pm
@ mary elizabeth,
I’m not a fan of trying force square pegs into round holes at all.
from my perspective we’ve got too many major issues ahead of individualizing instruction to even consider it right now.
right now, if we tried to implement anything, like say, a montesori (sp?)approach it would be dead on arrival
bootney farnsworth
April 22nd, 2012
1:37 pm
@ Rick,
that kind of use of technology is done all the time.
bootney farnsworth
April 22nd, 2012
1:39 pm
@ cranky,
you at least get my point about change beginning with the mirror.
we elected and re-elect these morons – and are suprised how things
turn out?
bootney farnsworth
April 22nd, 2012
1:41 pm
@ jane,
for all the support for testing you seem to have, a question:
we’ve been doing what you wish for a long time now. are you
happy with the results?
I love teaching. I hate what it is becoming...
April 22nd, 2012
2:11 pm
@Rick in Grayson “If we used “technology” such as video instead of teachers to impart basic generalized knowledge on a subject (European History), wouldn’t that free up teachers from teaching the same basics of a subject over and over again?”
Rick, at least at the elementary level in my district we use a lot of such “technology” in the classroom. I often incorporate textbook lessons, video clips, interactive smartboard lessons, booknotes, performance tasks, and classroom discussion on a topic. None of the teachers I know depend solely upon textbook derived lessons these days. My grade level team does work together to create video/computer lessons for use in the classroom. Again, this is in my district, so I cannot speak to what is going on in other places around the state – but I do know this… whether it be textbook based lessons, or video based lessons, student learning is enhanced by having a knowledgeable teacher there to help students incorporate and bridge the information presented. Blending learning shows some promise, and I am making an effort to learn more about this approach. However, creating a competitive environment which pits teacher against teacher in order to procure funding or pay will undermine the rich cooperative spirit which defines good teaching practices. Furthermore, jumping on the technology bandwagon without some in depth analysis of whether the technology actually supports student learning is also not a viable solution for anyone but those profiting from selling said “technology” miracle.
Mary Elizabeth
April 22nd, 2012
2:34 pm
@bootney farnsworth, 1:35 pm
“mary elizabeth,
I’m not a fan of trying force square pegs into round holes at all.
from my perspective we’ve got too many major issues ahead of individualizing instruction to even consider it right now.”
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Bootney,
I think that you may have some preconceived ideas about what “individualizing instruction” means, from my words. I do not mean by “individualizing instruction” that every student must be taught on a one-on-one basis. That would be humanly impossible for almost any teacher. For example, most teachers of high school biology classes, with 150 students altogether, would find one-on-one instruction for every student impossible to achieve, especially when classes are only 50 to 55 minutes each. However, if several of a teacher’s high school biology students are reading on 5th grade level, and the teacher does not address this fact, he or she can be fairly certain that those students will do poorly in his or her class, and perhaps even fail the class. If no teacher in high school addresses those students’ reading deficiencies, those students may easily become high school drop-out statistics.
I can think of no greater problem to solve in education than that of rectifying the problem of masses of students who are dropping out of school. Please read, below, the true story of one high school student who was reading on an elementary level, and of what happened in his life, as a result.
http://maryelizabethsings.wordpress.com/2012/04/01/roberts-story-love-never-fails/
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NOTE for RON F:
Ron, this is an example of where I think standardized test scores can be helpful to teachers. Standardized test scores will give grade level equivalents for each student’s reading comprehension and vocabulary scores (as well as for mathematics’ scores). If curriculum teachers simply use those scores for no other purpose than to inform them of their students’ overall reading scores, those standardized test scores will have served a useful instructional purpose. Better, at least, to be aware of that rudimentary knowledge of each student’s functioning, than have no objective test analysis through which to confirm reasons for students’ dysfunction in school.
duke
April 22nd, 2012
3:13 pm
I don’t know anything about the business end of this; but if it will “villify unions and teachers through policy and public outcry in ways that effectively compromise (their) voices when (they) push back, continue to frame education accountability in terms of our ability to compete against the world (as opposed to collaborate with the world) and, finally, promote more and more objective tests as the way to measure everything.” then I am for it. The problem with public education is that the teachers unions have totalitarian control, so that meaningful reform is impossible; and those unions are conscious and articulate instruments of international socialism. Their theory of education rejects absolute truth, and therefore it rejects objective standards. It rejects individual excellence, because that separates a child from the social group; we are supposed to “cooperate” rather than “compete”. But the nations we are supposed to “cooperate” with are invariably communist dictatorships.
Jane W.
April 22nd, 2012
3:37 pm
@Ron F. From what I see above (and your previous posts) couldn’t you be rightly classified as peerless among the naysayers?
“Standardized testing that doesn’t really give anyone a whit of real information about what a child has learned or knows?” Are you trying out, Ron, for the Olympics of Hyperbole? Do you/would you toss out—without even opening—your own child’s ITBS results envelope??
I didn’t think so.
Teachers are blamed for MUCH they have no control over. We all accept that. But those among them who doggedly refuse to consider that decades of failure call for a much more robust approach to innovation and reform … do parents and their children a great and lasting disservice.
I love teaching. I hate what it is becoming...
April 22nd, 2012
4:16 pm
@Jane W “Teachers are blamed for MUCH they have no control over. We all accept that. ”
Can you please let me know some of those things you accept we have no control over, because it seems that generally, all I read are comments that blame us for just about everything.
“But those among them who doggedly refuse to consider that decades of failure call for a much more robust approach to innovation and reform … do parents and their children a great and lasting disservice.”
I agree we need reform. I have spent YEARS in the classroom and working WITHIN the educational system to try and do the best for my students and promote best practices. The problem I have with current reform movements is that they are not asking TEACHERS what needs to be done! All the ideas for “innovations and reform” seem to be coming from outside the educational sphere, from people with vested interests in making money off education.
When TEACHERS do speak up about what they learned does and does not work in the classroom setting, they are dismissed as supporting the “status quo” or being “union shrills” or only interested in “keeping their jobs.” However, reformers who have NO experience with education, NO background in child development, NO time spent in the classroom, and stand to benefit monetarily from suggested reforms, are somehow considered impartial experts.
Why not work with proven TEACHERS to come up with a “robust” approach to reform? TEACHERS, whose only “vested interest” lies in doing what is best for their students? Why dismiss the voices and suggestions of those who are actually in a position to know what is actually happening in the classrooms?
I am NO fan of the status quo – but I can tell you, that most of the problems I see currently facing education stem directly from the educational “reform” movements of the last 20 or so years. The educational system has big problems to overcome, and the changes that need to be made will not be popular with some individuals – but the fixes don’t lie totally in new technology, or more testing, or different standards. They don’t lie in outside reformers coming in and tasking teachers with even more burdens while removing options for creativity and flexibility. The don’t lie in villifying teachers and dismissing their voices as unimportant. They don’t lie in corporate profit.
They lie in recognizing that teachers, parents and child are all important elements in providing a solid education. Without those three elements all working together to further a child’s educational growth, all the new technology, new testing protocols and new standards won’t change a thing.
red herring
April 22nd, 2012
4:19 pm
Sooner or later technology will come to education—many teachers/aides may be able to be replaced due to that–not as many as most people think but still there will be a need for less teachers as technology is advanced–especially if used appropriately. The main problem with overspending in education is the same with most areas of government—too many chiefs and not enough indians. Just look at the past couple of years AJC articles concerning the salaries and staff of Ga. superintendents,asst. supt, vice supt, principals, vice principals, etc. Hopefully the lady in Dekalb will start a trend to downsize and streamline Ga. public schools administration which may lead to a better level of class room teacher. time will tell.
atlmom
April 22nd, 2012
4:30 pm
do you think kids aren’t being indoctrinated now? With the “oh, mom you HAVE to turn out the lights for earth hour!”
and statements like: Don’t you think that people have taken over “enough” of the planet?
And “don’t you think humans pollute too much”
We ask the kids: what is ‘enough’? What is “too much”? But many parents don’t talk with their kids at all.
PS: earth hour likely uses more energy in the end, for various reasons.
Jane W.
April 22nd, 2012
5:44 pm
@Love/HateTeaching. Here’s a thought: Why not join with like-minded teachers and open your own charter school?
Put in practice those innovative teaching techniques you’ve come up with but have been prevented from fully utilizing. And for good measure—insist on making no “evil” profits.
What’s stopping you?
Anonmom
April 22nd, 2012
5:56 pm
If you look at the law Gov. Jindal signed this past week in Louisiana- parents each get about $8500 to use for their child (per child) for “school choice”– most of it will be used for various public and charter school and some will be used for private spots for certain income brackets. This gives parents “skin” in the game of education and also removes some of the “incentives” to make public ed such a “money game” as it has become the billion dollar industry that it is — if parents have vouchers and all types of schools are competing for the vouchers, the schools are forced to be efficient to get the student and the voucher and there’s movement — that’s how various industries (phone, airline, etc) have worked once monopolies have been “busted”…. The monopoly of education isn’t really working very well…. and it’s the poor children who are being most harmed as the “wealthier” ones are able to get to private school now. The vouchers would “level” that playing field.
Rick in Grayson
April 22nd, 2012
6:05 pm
Half of new graduates are jobless or underemployed:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-04-22/college-grads-jobless/54473426/1
Rick in Grayson
April 22nd, 2012
6:11 pm
New poll finds Americans still want far less Population Growth 40 years after government commission called for stabilization.
http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/prnewswire/press_releases/Texas/2012/04/20/DC91524
We will not have jobs for all US citizens in the coming decades. Globalization is working against the high labor rates found in the US.
mark
April 22nd, 2012
6:16 pm
IN the future, a parent will have to talk to some customer service rep in some far off country in order to find out what issue their student needs addressed. I can’t wait!! Hey Georgia, we get what we pay for!! We Rank at the bottom of government spending per a resident. soon these technology companies and bio tech companies will realize tax breaks and not enough smart people is a poor bussiness decision. They will move out of Georgia.
Elizabeth
April 22nd, 2012
6:19 pm
Mary Elizabeth: REALLY? And you think we don’t do this? We do, to the best of our ability. But it is impossible for ONE teacher of 30-25 kids , with 5 classes a day, to provide individual learning plans for each student. There is not enough time in the school DAY or YEAR . Do you REALLY think it can be done? If you do, then come on down. Come to my classroom, spend a year, and show me how it’s done. I am willing to learn.
bilbo799
April 22nd, 2012
6:35 pm
I’m more worried about Richardson’s writing ability. His blog appears almost incoherent.
Hillbilly D
April 22nd, 2012
6:50 pm
But I am convinced that all of this is being driven by dollars.
It’s always been that way and always will be. And if you or your company can get the ear of the right person in a position of authority, you can sit back and watch the money roll in.
Ron F.
April 22nd, 2012
7:04 pm
“The point that I would like to challenge you on is the appropriateness of “If we truly teach to children’s needs”.
Is the point of public education an individualized study plan for each child? Do we have the money/resources for such efforts? I’m sure it helps the individual child, but is there a large measurable effect?”
Sorry to take so long getting back- had family stuff to do. Honestly, it doesn’t take an individualized “plan” to understand each child’s needs. I’m lucky to have small enough classes that I can keep track of who’s learning and who’s not. Some days they all get it and I can move on fairly quickly. Some days I have to individualize, and a little time and some good grouping decisions allows me the time. It takes willingness to forego the prescribed plan for the day if it isn’t working. To me, it’s more about equipping teachers with the right understanding of what their job is and encouraging them to do it. They have to keep track and adjust as they go. I know what you mean about listening to the lecture vs. reading the text book. For kids who can do that well on their own, I move them on to something or have them read for pleasure while I catch everyone else up. I think if teachers were better prepared and trained to do that, we would be able to do better. Like most things in education though, the educrats muck it up with paperwork and some big package “program” that’s supposed to take the place of common sense. And we see the results of decades of that don’t we?
“But those among them who doggedly refuse to consider that decades of failure call for a much more robust approach to innovation and reform … do parents and their children a great and lasting disservice.”
Jane- I can only offer my apologies if my passion for education comes across as dogged refusal. As I’ve said numerous times, I’m not against innovation and reform, but you have to realize that rushing headlong into anything is never wise. “Fools rush in…” as they say. I’ve seen quite a few “innovations” that sounded good, and might have been, had they been fully implemented and given time to work. What many want, and I’m certainly not pointing fingers here, is immediate and foolproof change, and that isn’t going to happen. The best education reform, without careful study and a long-term commitment to it, isn’t going to completely work. Part of the problem, and this is just my opinion for the 2 cents it’s worth, is that we have spent the last 2-3 decades innovating and changing, and the results are lukewarm at best. Just look at how reading curriculum changes. Program after program proves to work for some and not for others. Whatever form schools take in the coming years, we’re going to have to equip teachers with the skills to use a variety of techniques and make sure they have the desire and willingness to use all those tools as needed. Then we might see some positive changes. Will we reach 100%? Nope, not in an imperfect world, but we could see some positive growth if all the folks involved get together and discuss it rationally. As a teacher, I’m not feeling like part of the team right now, and it does get to me at times.
Mary Elizabeth
April 22nd, 2012
7:12 pm
@Elizabeth, 6:19
“Mary Elizabeth: REALLY?And you think we don’t do this? We do, to the best of our ability. But it is impossible for ONE teacher of 30-25 kids , with 5 classes a day, to provide individual learning plans for each student. There is not enough time in the school DAY or YEAR.”
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Elizabeth, please read my 2:34 pm post. Here is part of it. You can see I am in complete agreement with you. I was not speaking of “individual learning plans” for every student you teach:
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“I think that you may have some preconceived ideas about what “individualizing instruction” means, from my words. I do not mean by “individualizing instruction” that every student must be taught on a one-on-one basis. That would be humanly impossible for almost any teacher. For example, most teachers of high school biology classes, with 150 students altogether, would find one-on-one instruction for every student impossible to achieve, especially when classes are only 50 to 55 minutes each.”
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Reading further you will see that I recommend that teachers simply place each student’s grade level equivalent of his/her total reading score, from his or her latest standardized test, next to his or her name in the teacher’s grade book. That way, you will be able to know, daily, who, of your class of 30 students, is significantly below grade level in reading. If a particular student is more than two years below his/her grade level, he/she will have problems even reading the textbook. I know that a creative teacher, such as yourself, will be able to find ways to help THAT particular student better function in your class. (Once you do know that information, please encourage other teachers to help the student, also.) I know that that simple recording is not too much for teachers to do because I did that myself, when I was an active teacher, and, as an educational leader, I showed other teachers how to do this without much extra effort so that they were better able to serve THOSE particular students’ needs much better – than when they were unaware which students were significantly below grade level.
Please read the link, below, for how a fifth grade science teacher, who did modify her instruction for students such as those I described above, changed the direction of one particular student’s life, by the name of Cyndie (Btw, the teacher placed her behind-grade-level-students in a group, together within her classroom; she did not make individual lesson plans for each of them daily. Some small intervention is so much more effective than no intervention, and it takes little additional effort on the teachers part. (Not working “harder,” but “smarter,” if you will
through the informative use of standardized test scores.)
http://maryelizabethsings.wordpress.com/2012/02/11/cyndies-story/
Mary Elizabeth
April 22nd, 2012
7:17 pm
@ I love teaching, 2:11
“However, creating a competitive environment which pits teacher against teacher in order to procure funding or pay will undermine the rich cooperative spirit which defines good teaching practices. Furthermore, jumping on the technology bandwagon without some in depth analysis of whether the technology actually supports student learning is also not a viable solution for anyone but those profiting from selling said “technology” miracle.”
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Very well expressed. I completely agree with those words of yours, above.
Ron F.
April 22nd, 2012
7:30 pm
@Mary Elizabeth: I agree that test scores can be useful as a baseline. I tend to shy away from placing too much emphasis on them as we are often “encouraged” to do. If a kid gets the alarm bells going in my brain, I tend to turn to more one-on-one, real time assessment to double check the standardized test score. I guess because I spend so much of my time with kids I already know are struggling, I look at the standardized score but go into assessment mode so I have specific information that I can be sure is more reliable. The test score is certainly useful for classroom teachers as a basic piece of information, and I like your idea of listing it in the gradebook. I plan to use that next year!
I love teaching. I hate what it is becoming...
April 22nd, 2012
7:40 pm
@Jane W “Put in practice those innovative teaching techniques you’ve come up with but have been prevented from fully utilizing. And for good measure—insist on making no “evil” profits.
What’s stopping you?”
Believe me, would love to open my own school – but lack the funding to do so, and am not willing to sell my soul to some outside corporation to underwrite my school and then take control. I am a realist, not an idealist.
As for ‘evil’ profits, if that is what you managed to glean from my comments, then we obviously are not communicating. Profit, per se, are not evil. Profits won through exploitation of children and deceit of the public? Hmmm, more problematic.
We spend billions and billions of tax dollars on standardized testing each year – and for what? Have we created a better educated society? Do we now have superior teachers in the classroom? Are students reaching their full individual, creative potential? Or have we merely raised a generation of test takers who learn to regurgitate discrete bits of knowledge but are severely lacking in higher order thinking skills?
teacher&mom
April 22nd, 2012
7:43 pm
@Jane: “Put in practice those innovative teaching techniques you’ve come up with but have been prevented from fully utilizing. And for good measure—insist on making no “evil” profits.”
You may find the article below to be of interest. It cites a couple of studies that have compared public school and charter school teaching practices.
http://nepc.colorado.edu/blog/charter-school-teaching-similar-or-different-regular-public-schools
I love teaching. I hate what it is becoming...
April 22nd, 2012
7:46 pm
Oops. Those “billions” probably should have been “millions”. Got a bit over zealous there.
Mary Elizabeth
April 22nd, 2012
7:52 pm
@ Ron F, 7:04 pm
“Honestly, it doesn’t take an individualized ‘plan’ to understand each child’s needs. I’m lucky to have small enough classes that I can keep track of who’s learning and who’s not. Some days they all get it and I can move on fairly quickly. Some days I have to individualize, and a little time and some good grouping decisions allows me the time. It takes willingness to forego the prescribed plan for the day if it isn’t working. To me, it’s more about equipping teachers with the right understanding of what their job is and encouraging them to do it. They have to keep track and adjust as they go. I know what you mean about listening to the lecture vs. reading the text book. For kids who can do that well on their own, I move them on to something or have them read for pleasure while I catch everyone else up. I think if teachers were better prepared and trained to do that, we would be able to do better. Like most things in education though, the educrats muck it up with paperwork and some big package ‘program’ that’s supposed to take the place of common sense. And we see the results of decades of that don’t we?”
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What you have written about is true individualizing to students’ needs, Ron. As usual, you have expressed yourself very well and I agree with all of your above words, especially in regard to what you have expressed about a “big package program” that is meant for all students equally, and which does not take into consideration the type of individualizing of instructional needs that you are already doing, daily, to match your instruction to the specific needs of your students. Well done and well said! An inspiration to other teachers, also!
teacher&mom
April 22nd, 2012
7:55 pm
@Anonmom: There are those who believe Gov. Jindal is simply following ALEC’s protocol and not the will of the people. Below is a quote from a recent article (link posted below).
“The governor is doing the job of ALEC,” she said. “They are doing an overhaul of the entire state. It is a scripted ALEC overhaul.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/13/bobby-jindal-recall-education-reform_n_1424351.html
I love teaching. I hate what it is becoming...
April 22nd, 2012
7:56 pm
(cont.) Besides, if I were to leave my school (which has a wonderful administration who do all they can to support best practices despite top down mandates) to open a charter school, then I would be doing a disservice to the students I currently serve, and to the community in which I teach. I would prefer to be able to use those “innovative teaching techniques ” within the public school setting, and to do so without to worry about having a bunch of reformers scolding me for not jumping on board with the latest new-fangled fad guaranteed to fix everything.
Jane W.
April 22nd, 2012
8:23 pm
RonF, MaryEliz, tchr&mom: Jeez, get a hotel room! (A single room will do—as most readers have probably already guessed.)
And I take it the NEA has officially declared war on ALEC and issued orders to its minions? Well, I’ve made a mental note to myself to write ALEC a donation check in the morning …
Ron F.
April 22nd, 2012
8:25 pm
Well, to close out my portion of the discussion on this topic for the day, consider the following quote.
“If a doctor, lawyer, or dentist had 40 people in his office at one time, all of whom had different needs, and some of whom didn’t want to be there and were causing trouble, and the doctor, lawyer, or dentist, without assistance, had to treat them all with professional excellence for nine months, then he might have some conception of the classroom teacher’s job.”
-Donald D. Quinn
Ron F.
April 22nd, 2012
8:30 pm
“And I take it the NEA has officially declared war on ALEC and issued orders to its minions? Well, I’ve made a mental note to myself to write ALEC a donation check in the morning …”
You know, I really thought you did well on this thread and made some interesting points. For goodness sakes, I actually agreed with you a time or two. I guess several of us must have made a good point or two you didn’t want to hear- you couldn’t come up with a better response than to be childish? I honestly hope in the ongoing discussion of education reform that you can recognize when someone has a point, even if you don’t agree with it. Your disagreement could be truly productive if you would engage in intelligent debate. I was hoping for that, as I truly believe the only way we’re going to make substantive, lasting progress in education is to debate, as adults, with careful consideration for all points of view. I’m trying- could you participate in that? I’m hopeful!!
TheUSAIsBroken
April 22nd, 2012
8:30 pm
@duke has by far posted posted the dumbest stuff on this blog.
teacher&mom
April 22nd, 2012
8:40 pm
@JaneW: “Profess to hate them to your heart’s content—but that ITBS results envelope is STILL the one you rush to open when your own child’s test scores arrive home.”
I can’t say I “rushed” to open my children’s test scores. I did look at them with interest and almost 99% of the time, the scores confirmed what I already knew about my child’s academic progress. In other words, I didn’t need a standardized test score as proof.
Why?
Because I monitored their progress each week. I looked through their writing samples, math pages, and portfolios. We discussed the books they were reading in class. Most parents, especially educated parents, can tell if their child is progressing. If you did nothing BUT read their writing samples, you would have a fairly accurate picture of whether or not they are learning.
When my son was in fourth grade, his ITBS score indicated a 12th grade reading level, I knew better. He was a bright and enthusiastic student but he certainly was not ready for 12th grade reading materials. However, I would often hear other mothers bragging about their child’s ITBS scores.
Which is the reason so many parents desperately cling to standardized testing. It offers them a false sense of security.
The current business trend in education is to feed your insecurity and lure you into believing they offer the perfect solution for your child.
It seems to be working.
Jane W.
April 22nd, 2012
8:43 pm
@Maureen. Feel free to delete my duplicated posting far, far above—the one which spent 6-7 hours in the netherworld while you (hopefully) profited from today’s perfect weather.
Mary Elizabeth
April 22nd, 2012
8:46 pm
@Ron F,
‘The (standardized) test score is certainly useful for classroom teachers as a basic piece of information, and I like your idea of listing it in the gradebook. I plan to use that next year!’
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So glad that that will be a helpful suggestion to you next year. I used to place their individual standardized reading comprehension scores – for my 150 Advanced Reading students – to the right of their last names in my alphabetical listing of each student’s name per class period. That way I could know, at a glance, who might struggle more with the advanced SAT/college prep vocabulary words I was teaching them daily. When I gave the students their weekly list of vocabulary words on Mondays (75 words per week, or 15 words per day), I would have an asterisk placed beside only 10 of the words, so that those students who were behind others in reading skills would only have to learn 10 words per day or 50 words per week instead of the maximum 75 words taught. I also told all students that, if they learned simply the 10 words per day, they would be guaranteed a grade of 90 on my weekly vocabulary tests, given on Fridays, instead of the 100 that was guaranteed if they learned all 75 words per week. That did not take much extra work for me to place an asterisk by those 10 words or to design the weekly vocabulary tests so that, if students learned 10 words daily, they would score at least a 90 on my weekly tests. Moreover, I stored – under lock and key – my weekly vocabulary tests and overhead projector sheets on which I had written the vocabulary words so that I did not have to “reinvent the wheel” every year, which saved me time and effort.
Btw, I had placed the vocabulary words on an overhead projector sheet with the asterisks already “burned” into the overhead projector sheets from which the students copied the vocabulary words, daily, before I began instruction on the words, by first breaking the long words into prefixes, suffixes, syllables and then by giving their meanings through examples in various sentences from their experiences, synonyms with shades of meaning variances, and antonyms for the words. Students had homework assignments for developing their own sentences, using the words taught for the day. After the vocabulary part of the lesson, we moved to SAT strategies and reading comprehension skills from college level reading material.
When I observed that a given student had scored low on the reading comprehension standardized test score (which I had placed beside the student’s name) in my gradebook, I did not automatically move that student from my Advanced Reading course to a Personalized Reading course, with his counselor and parent. I would wait to see how the student actually functioned in my class and if the student could cope, pass, and learn, I let him or her remain in Advanced Reading whatever his standardized reading comprehension score had been. But at least, I had had a “baseline” alert, as you say, Ron, for the fact that there might be a forthcoming problem for that student in Advanced Reading and I would know the probable source of that student’s problem, and I could make a course change for proper placement for the student, if necessary. That way few of my students failed Advanced Reading. If they did fail, I knew that it was because they did not put forth the effort and not because they had been misplaced, but that lack of effort on the student’s part was very rare. Correct placement and instruction was the key. “Knowledge is power.” (Teachers should realize, and I am sure that most do, that some students do not try on standardized tests and that is a reason some will not score on grade level, so one must always factor that possibility into one’s assessment of a given student’s correct placement and performance possiblity.)
teacher&mom
April 22nd, 2012
8:48 pm
@JaneW: Wow. I suspect ALEC is writing you a check. If not, you should contact them about getting on the payroll.
@Ron, MaryElizabeth, I Love Teaching, and others: I consider it a privilege to be lumped together in a “single hotel room” with you. I knew someone on this thread would eventually write us off as NEA groupies. Perhaps in the future we can meet at some clandestine place for a drink and discuss nefarious union business?
Mary Elizabeth
April 22nd, 2012
8:55 pm
@teacher&mom,
Thank you so much for keeping the public aware about the destructiveness that ALEC has wielded to public education (as well as to other arenas of our society). I am going to post below part of the information from your excellent link for any who may not have taken the time to read your link. Keep up the excellent work!
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From this link, provided by “teacher&mom”: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/13/bobby-jindal-recall-education-reform_n_1424351.html
“Angie Bonvillain and Brenda Romero, teachers in Calcasieu Parish, have launched recalls for both over the education reform policies recently passed by the legislature. The policies include relaxing teacher tenure rules, increased power for school administrators to fire teachers, tying test scores to teacher performance and the promotion of school vouchers, along with the creation of new charter schools.
‘This is not education reform,’ Bonvillain said. ‘It will gut public schools in a lot of ways. We do not feel like this will help education.’
Bonvillain and Romero said that Jindal’s policies, which were enacted in recent weeks by legislators, convinced them there is a need to change the state’s leadership. The move comes less than a year after Jindal was reelected to a second term by 49 points over a little known Democratic opponent, teacher Tara Hollis.
The two said the policies pushed by Jindal will be destructive to public schools, moving money toward private schools and relying on test scores to gauge teacher performance. Romero noted that the group also is looking at Jindal’s plans for the state’s retirement system and his efforts to privatize state prisons to galvanize support.”
Mary Elizabeth
April 22nd, 2012
8:58 pm
@teacher@mom, 8:48
Sound like a great idea to me!
Ron F.
April 22nd, 2012
8:59 pm
@teacher&mom: maybe if NEA actually reads this, and really would offer us a cushy job, then we could just meet at the water cooler every morning!! LOL Nice to be lumped into good company, regardless of the nomenclature used!
Anonmom
April 22nd, 2012
9:08 pm
The schools in Louisiana are much better now than they used to be… it will be interesting to see where they are a few years from now. Only time will tell. For me, I’m a bit jealous.
ScienceTeacher671
April 22nd, 2012
9:38 pm
@Rick in Grayson: If the GA HS graduation rate is closer to 65%…when I attended HS, 65% was barely a passing grade. Shouldn’t the educational system (administrators and teachers) be villified?
Not necessarily. What was the graduation rate when you attended high school, and why?
Georgia’s high school curriculum supposedly prepares all graduates for college. While all graduates are NOT ready for college, other countries recognize that not all students are college material, and so after a basic education, some students go to work and some go to trade schools.
The 35% of Georgia students who “drop out” include those who do not have the intellectual capacity to master high school level work, those who are not interested in school and so “flunk out” or drop out, those who get GEDs instead of diplomas, and those who take more than 4 years to complete high school.
So far as using student test scores to judge teacher quality, how are you going to do that? My students take a standardized test, but I teach “at risk” students – those who are at risk of dropping out due to low skill levels, low intellectual ability, or low motivation. My scores aren’t bad, but they aren’t nearly as high as those of the teacher who teaches the gifted students. Is she a better teacher since her students’ scores are higher?
Attentive Parent
April 22nd, 2012
9:56 pm
I find the anger over ALEC interesting.
The current drive against them involves their support over voter id. Who has a problem with that?
That education is mad at them makes no sense. I was given a copy of their most recent ed initiative. Tame to the point of tapioca.
Mary Elizabeth
April 22nd, 2012
10:02 pm
If ALEC has been so benign in its intent and purposes, why has it found it necessary to wield powerful corporate influence over state legislators for almost 40 in, essentially, secretive ways? That question cannot be denied, even as ALEC – now that its manueverings have become common knowledge – attempts to “reinvent” itself. ALEC has been supportive of the interests of few of power and wealth over the interests of the masses of Americans – not a concept upon which this nation was founded.
Don H.
April 22nd, 2012
10:32 pm
Attentive Parent, if you wish to read up on the many and puzzling jihads carried out by the National Education Association (and its local surrogate, the Georgia Association of Educators) please help yourself to: http://goo.gl/bNdPt
Don H.
April 22nd, 2012
10:35 pm
… And then rent the film “Waiting for Superman.”
Anonmom
April 22nd, 2012
10:49 pm
I was watching some “pimp my car” show tonight — the car was became a Darth Vadar car for someone affiliated with George Lucas in California and will be on display in Orlando over the summer. We watch “Pawn Stars” way too often along with “American Restoration” — these guys (no women, sorry) — aren’t that educated, but they’re making a mint and appear to be very talented. We don’t really need, as a society, everyone educated “for college” — everyone needs to be well trained to make a living out of something they’re really good at and can be passionate about and they need basic life skills (some of which involve decent math and reading and I’m a big believer in knowing history). This is where “education” is failing us a society and as a future society…. this is where I’ve gotten to the point where I think vouchers may be the answer given the multiple billions of dollars we are spending each year to get this wrong… did you see the show this morning on CBS on how much we as a country are spending on prisons and how we have the largest population in prison? We are doing this poorly as well and the two subjects are related but no one is linking them together but we are spending a g-d awful amount of tax payer money on the two budget items…..
Digger
April 22nd, 2012
11:46 pm
It’s so true. It’s like educators discourage kids from becoming plumbers and carpenters even though they can make more money than most educators.
Dr. Craig Spinks/ Georgians for Educational Excellence
April 23rd, 2012
12:45 am
Really?,
Don’t apologize for ranting. The only warranted apologies should be emanating from the mouths of fellow educators who haven’t been ranting and working to reform our too-numerous schools which graduate young folk unprepared for adult life.
Dr. Craig Spinks/ Georgians for Educational Excellence
April 23rd, 2012
12:52 am
Econometrics. Meteormetrics. Educametrics? UC-Berkeley, if memory serves me correctly, just received a $10M grant to address the problem of determining the suitability of student, teacher and other educational data for academic achievement-prediction.
Proud Teacher
April 23rd, 2012
5:46 am
sloboffthestreet . . . Not all teachers are bad and not all education is bad.
Forsyth County Mom
April 23rd, 2012
6:14 am
So what can we, as parents, do? I’m sick and tired of all the standardized testing, and I fully support taking back our schools so that the teachers can teach and our students can learn. I want our kids to enjoy school, to learn to be critical thinkers, and NOT be “taught to the test”. I’m ready for action as a parent, but what do I do?
The newest untapped kiddie market
April 23rd, 2012
6:19 am
So much money to be earned and the press – usually a champion of public causes – is asleep at the wheel. This won’t end well…..
Ron F.
April 23rd, 2012
6:34 am
“The only warranted apologies should be emanating from the mouths of fellow educators who haven’t been ranting and working to reform our too-numerous schools which graduate young folk unprepared for adult life.”
A little perspective here is important Dr. Spinks. Look at who’s making the decisions about curriculum, teaching method, standards, etc. Classroom teachers, by design, can do little to affect the decision making that goes on as to what we do and how we do it. I think, from my experience (for what it’s worth), that most teachers do care and are trying their best given the conditions politicians and those in non-school decision-making roles set for us. While we share part of the blame, ours is the last voice heard as vital policies are set, yet we are increasingly held accountable for implementing those policies. Just making sure we all keep in mind who’s who and where the power lies. We can’t organize ourselves to have a real voice lest we be called a “union.”
teacher&mom
April 23rd, 2012
6:46 am
@Forsyth County Mom: There is a grassroots movement for parents to opt their child out of standardized testing. Others are signing online petitions to send a message to their state legislators. The links below highlight the actions some parents are taking in other states.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/post/education-reform-protests-pick-up-steam/2012/04/19/gIQA8KiXUT_blog.html
http://theinnovativeeducator.blogspot.com/2012/04/6-actions-you-can-take-now-to-opt-your.html
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/366/736/894/
Mary Elizabeth
April 23rd, 2012
8:05 am
“We can’t organize ourselves to have a real voice lest we be called a ‘union.’ ”
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Teachers, since your voice and your interests (which directly effect your students’ interests) are so little respected and listened to in Georgia, perhaps the time has come for you to consider advocating for the right to join a teacher’s union in Georgia.
Until that is possible by law, I urge all of Georgia’s public school teachers to voice your collective will by joining the National Education Association (NEA) and its Georgia branch, the Georgia Association of Educators (GAE), as I did 40 years ago.
Dr. Craig Spinks/ Georgians for Educational Excellence
April 23rd, 2012
8:08 am
Digital learning facilitates individualized diagnostic-prescriptive learning but must be complemented by the personalization only a concerned teacher can provide.
Dr. Craig Spinks/ Georgians for Educational Excellence
April 23rd, 2012
8:12 am
Ron F.,
Power is something we teachers have for too-long been reticent to take.
Please e-mail me at craigspinks@aol.com with a summary of your ideas about critical problems facing GAPubEd and how to solve them. I’ll put them to use.
Gregory
April 23rd, 2012
8:25 am
Lehman and Richardson fail to point out that they have may handsome livings off the current system that is 1) extremely expensive and 2) not performing. To act as though the people currently employed by the public education bureaucracy are not operating from a profit motive is to foist a ridiculous lie. Teachers in Georgia and throughout the U.S. earn salaries and benefits above the community average and those profiteers in Higher Education and Education Bureaucracies make hefty six figure incomes. Lehman and Richardson decry other peoples profit motives while peddling themselves to the highest bidder.
Dr. Sanford Aranoff
April 23rd, 2012
8:50 am
We need to focus on what we are teaching, which should be basic principles and the logical conclusions, not rote. Here are a couple of books:
Rational Thinking, Government Policies, Science, and Living
Teaching and Helping Students Think and Do Better.
Jane W.
April 23rd, 2012
9:23 am
To the Education majors monitoring this blog as part of your classwork: Public education is a battleground. And not just between those with differing ideas on methodology.
The teachers’ unions—and especially the National Education Association—has a great deal invested in battling change that goes beyond higher taxes and ever more money wasted on the status quo in education. Real education reform would threaten the revenue chain of union bosses.
Parental choice, especially.
Union bosses don’t send their kids to unionized public schools. But they live in abject fear of the day when less affluent parents will have that same option! More kids in private or charter schools means fewer union jobs means lower union revenues. It’s that basic.
And so that’s why many of the characters on this daily blog sound like the same person, day after day backing the same “no change!” agenda—and promptly showing up to back each other’s uniform point of view. They in fact ARE the same 1-2 people, sitting in some cubicle at GAE/NEA headquarters pretending to be teachers. Or concerned moms. Or assorted education “experts.”
They’re from the same union crowd that seeks to intimidate YOU when you voice contrary opinions in your college classroom—the ones who hold up GAE as a “savior” to education in Georgia, while playing down the fact that GAE is, first and foremost, a cash-cow the NEA depends on for funds to fight against meaningful education reform.
So don’t be fooled.
Jane W.
April 23rd, 2012
10:03 am
To the Education majors monitoring this blog as part of your classwork: Public education is a battleground. And not just between those with differing ideas on methodology.
The teachers’ unions—and especially the National Education Association—have a great deal invested in battling change that goes beyond higher taxes and ever more money wasted on the status quo in education. Real education reform would threaten the revenue chain of union bosses.
Parental choice, especially.
Union bosses don’t send their kids to unionized public schools. But they live in abject fear of the day when less affluent parents will have that same option! More kids in private or charter schools means fewer union jobs means lower union revenues. It’s that basic.
And so that’s why many of the characters on this daily blog sound like the same person, day after day backing the same “no change!” agenda—and promptly showing up to back each other’s uniform point of view. They in fact ARE the same 1-2 people, sitting in some cubicle at union headquarters pretending online to be frustrated teachers. Or concerned moms. Or assorted education “experts.”
They’re from the same union crowd that seeks to intimidate YOU when you voice contrary opinions in the college classroom—the ones who hold up the Georgia Association of Educators as a “savior” to education in Georgia, while playing down the fact that GAE is, first and foremost, a cash-cow the NEA depends on for funds to fight against meaningful education reform.
So don’t be fooled.
teacher&mom
April 23rd, 2012
10:22 am
@Jane W: Let’s pretend for a moment that your wish for dismantling, not improving, the current system has taken place. What will you be “shopping” for in a school? What is your wish list? Please spell out exactly what your public school is not offering or providing for your child.
Smaller class size?
More technology?
Greater course offerings?
Fine Arts?
Foreign language classes at the elementary and middle school level?
More opportunities for field trips and cultural events? i.e. Art museums, musicals/opera, ballet, etc.?
More rigorous courses?
Flexible schedules?
Longer school year?
I’d sincerely like to know.
GSUstudent
April 23rd, 2012
10:47 am
As an Education major, Jane W, I would call the on-campus union recruitment tactics INTIMIDATION rather than persuasion. But thanks for reminding us we’re not alone!
GSUstudent
April 23rd, 2012
10:51 am
Jane W, I would call the on-campus union recruitment tactics INTIMIDATION rather than persuasion. Thanks, though, for pointing it out and reminding us we’re not alone!
Ron F.
April 23rd, 2012
11:01 am
“They in fact ARE the same 1-2 people, sitting in some cubicle at union headquarters pretending online to be frustrated teachers. Or concerned moms. Or assorted education “experts.”
Prove it, Jane. I challenge you, I implore you to prove it or stop saying it. It really isn’t making your case any better and only lowers the expectation for intelligent, thoughtful debate. I’m getting tired of the accusations without proof. Prove it.
MetroMom
April 23rd, 2012
11:01 am
Jane W., I come originally from a state where education personnel are forced to join teachers unions. We here don’t always appreciate what being a Right to Work state means. Believe me!
Ron F.
April 23rd, 2012
11:02 am
Dr Spinks: I will e-mail this evening or tomorrow. I’m trying to be as succinct as possible in listing concerns.
Mom&teacher
April 23rd, 2012
11:19 am
@Jane W — Yes, I’ve often wondered about people I read here and the repetitive nature of their ideas. Guess it’s part of the Obama Stimulus? Putting union types back to work?
Prof
April 23rd, 2012
11:24 am
@ Jane W., April 23, 10:03 am: “To the Education majors monitoring this blog as part of your classwork…” Weird idea of college education to think that reading anonymous blogs would be part of classwork, rather than scholarly sources. You also inflate mightily your own role as blogger here.
“…They in fact ARE the same 1-2 people, sitting in some cubicle at union headquarters pretending online to be frustrated teachers. Or concerned moms. Or assorted education ‘experts.’ ” Now this truly DOES fit the definition of paranoia as “characterized by delusions of persecution or of grandeur, strenuously defended by the afflicted with apparent logic or reason” (American Heritage Dictionary). I myself have long thought that you, Don H., and EduKtr are one and the same person; for you all say the same things over and over about the supposed teachers unions of Georgia using the same language.
Ronin
April 23rd, 2012
11:25 am
@ Forsyth County Mom:
your comment: “So what can we, as parents, do? I’m sick and tired of all the standardized testing, and I fully support taking back our schools so that the teachers can teach and our students can learn. I want our kids to enjoy school, to learn to be critical thinkers, and NOT be “taught to the test”. I’m ready for action as a parent, but what do I do?”********************
Consider voting yes (and telling all your friends that feel the say way) for the approval of the amendment that allows the State of Georgia to authorize Charter Schools. You may find that they would be more responsive to your needs vs. the standard district school.
dozing in cobb
April 23rd, 2012
11:28 am
@Jane. Who keeps track of union campaign spending? That’s what I want to know!
C Jae of EAV
April 23rd, 2012
11:45 am
@ Elizabeth 4/22 6:28am – The problem is to a degree the educating of children has been about a dollar for a long time. Even more so as the bedrock of public edu funding in GA (i.e. local property taxes) has eroded in recent years.
@Mary Elizabeth 4/22 9:01am – You commentary stikes upon some clear contructive points that would help manifest progressive change. Locall districts seemingly lack the will to commit to making the structural change your speaking to.
@dekalbed – You have concisely identified the key foundational players who are positioned now and in the future to reap considerable economic reward from the “reforms” being discussed. Most notably these testing groups as the money spent on their products and/or support services related to their products is a big piece of the pie.
@teacher & mom – The AJC investigative reporting would be a tremendous help. Likewise concerned parents & community stakeholders need to be holding local districts responsible/accountable with regard to all the things you mentioned. Each of the things you referenced translate to budget line items voted upon by local boards.
Tonya C.
April 23rd, 2012
11:53 am
Dr. Spinks:
Can I say this: these reformers are counting and have been winning on teachers’ silence. But the other side of that is that everyday teachers are fighting to keep their heads above water, fulfill administrative paperwork and duties, reach out to parents, and stay on top of improving themselves as professionals. They are burned out.
As I’ve stated before, my husband is a special ed teacher. As his wife, I stay on top of changes like Common Core, Rttt, pay for perfomance, etc. I brief him because honestly…he doesn’t have the time. He then spreads the word to his peers. Cohesive voice is really the problem. Even PAGE and GAE do a poor job of getting the information out until it’s too late.
C Jae of EAV
April 23rd, 2012
12:06 pm
Smaller class size? Yes (btwn 15-18 I think is a reasonble goal)
More technology? I say yes conditionally on this one. Tactical use of technology is key but technology for sake of it offers little value.
Fine Arts? Yes. I think stripping the arts & music programs out of public schools has removed creative outlets for kids that help to balance out their academic lives.
Foreign language classes at the elementary and middle school level? Yes. In a global economy multi-lingual skills are a must. The trick here is maintaining a balance of the which languages are offered. Spanish, French, Chinese & Arabic jump out at me.
More opportunities for field trips and cultural events? i.e. Art museums, musicals/opera, ballet, etc.? Yes, just as with technology tactically planned so that it allows for re-inforcement/enrichment of the core academic program. Public/Private partnerships could help bridge this gap.
More rigorous courses? Yes, in the context referenced by @Mary Elizabeth et al, with regard to tailoring instruction to the learning style and level of the student so that we’re striving toward mastery of the content being the driving for next level advancement.
Longer school year? Yes, I favor a year round schedule either split into quarters or trimesters.
Neil Murray
April 23rd, 2012
12:09 pm
One fundamental problem is that, as so often, the education establishment reacts to change at a snail’s pace. Tech companies are much more limber. It’s time for educators themselves to frame the debate and shape the software of the future. We have meekly allowed publishers to saddle us with overpriced textbooks and companies like Blackboard to sell us online learning programs that are clumsy and, of course, expensive. While a few academic journals are going electronic with not-for-profit publications, The Economist reports that the companies that control the most prestigious journals earn a 37% profit. Makes big oil and big pharma look like wimps. We can do better for ourselves. Apache, the software that runs most Web servers, was designed by an open community of programmers. Check out Eric Raymond’s essay, “The Cathedral and the Bazaar.”
Jane W.
April 23rd, 2012
2:28 pm
Maureen, do you plan on permanently censoring me? I’m experiencing, as you’re well aware, technical problems in trying to respond to blog topics.
Is a different viewpoint than yours and the teachers’ union’s—so utterly appalling a concept? Tell us your thoughts.
Sincerely,
Jane W.
Mary Elizabeth
April 23rd, 2012
3:07 pm
@C Jae of EAV, 11:45 am & 12:06 pm, 4/23/12
“@Mary Elizabeth 4/22 9:01am – You commentary stikes upon some clear contructive points that would help manifest progressive change.”
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“More rigorous courses? Yes, in the context referenced by @Mary Elizabeth et al, with regard to tailoring instruction to the learning style and level of the student so that we’re striving toward mastery of the content being the driving for next level advancement.”
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Thank you for your comments, C Jae. I must emphasize that, in the zeal for “more rigorous courses,”
educators must never misplace students. Of primary importance is that students are taught where they are individually functioning – for maximum growth of each student to occur.
sloboffthestreet
April 23rd, 2012
4:51 pm
Let’s see???
We have a Billionaire interested in a Trillion $$$ industry and he already has a big piece of the pie and wants much more and the bottom feeders think they have something to say! If only they were skilled at practicing their craft.
HHEEEELLLLLOOOOO! I can’t hear you!!!
I think I may enjoy watching Mr. Gates do to you what you do to our children. Where is my Georgia Education Bleacher Chair?
http://broadeducation.org/about/crisis_stats.html
Ron F.
April 23rd, 2012
6:05 pm
“I think I may enjoy watching Mr. Gates do to you what you do to our children.”
And that will fix things how exactly? The children you speak of will be the only victims in the all out war on education. It needs reform, and whatever form it takes will need dedicated teachers. When you and Mr. Gates get through maligning even the good teachers among us now, and that is clearly the intent, then what? If you read all the comments here, you know as well as anyone that many teachers are, in fact, dedicated to the profession. If you round up all the accused cheaters in the state, you’d still be at less than 1% of the total. Is it justifiable sacrifice to take out the entire population to get those you deem unworthy in the new order? Reform isn’t going to work if there aren’t enough of us willing to work with you to make it happen. I guess Mr. Gates will have a new robot or enough recorded lessons to cover that though.
sloboffthestreet
April 23rd, 2012
6:28 pm
Ron F
I didn’t use the word fix. You do have the first letter right though. Keep guessing. It is what Georgia Public Education does best!
Brandy
April 23rd, 2012
8:17 pm
@Tonya C., Thank you! Unfortunately, that “cohesive voice” (which I completely agree is necessary–100%) is discouraged if not outright denied to us educators as public employees in this state. I am surprised every single day when these things are discussed amongst the teachers I work with–we are all overworked, overtired, and overstressed, leading to many (MANY) who don’t have the time (or haven’t taken it) to think critically about these issues before exercising their civil duty of voting on the issues (yes, teachers are citizens who vote, too). It is up to those of us with the energy or time to spread the word.
Of course, that supposedly makes me a “paid union shill” like Ron F., teacher&mom, et al, so apparently I should just sit down and shut up.
@Jane W., Are you ever going to answer teacher&mom’s questions? She has posted them repeatedly (and respectfully) at least three times in the past month or so, but you have not given her the same respect by answering her thoughtful questions. I, too, would love to hear your answers and I am certain that many who follow this blog would find them enlightening. You claim to have all the answers so educate us all on what elements make up the perfect school for your child(ren).
Anonmom
April 23rd, 2012
9:33 pm
Things like the Kahn (sp?) Academy may really start to change education — there’s alot of programming by very bright people (MIT) for little of no cost available globally on-line and it’s very accessbile. As more “content” becomes availabe in this fashion, the way we educate kids may change. I think that this is a lot of the way “homeschoolers” already get “content” (not specifically from Kahn but from sources like Kahn) — it may be time for the “public” sector to join in on some of the better avaiable content and start scratching away at some of the 37% profit margins.
Ronin
April 24th, 2012
7:28 am
Anonmom, you’re correct. The resources that you mention are available but normally not utilized by district schools. There is nothing wrong with a vendor making a profit on materials sold to a school, however, often these purchases are not put out for competitive bids, but simply purchased from a supplier that has had an agreement with the school system for decades.
If the Charter amendment passes this fall, not only will it offer a government alternative to standard district schools, but also require more competition at the supplier level.
While there are others who disagree about the effectiveness of the Charter School movement and it being the Trojan horse used to “dismantle” traditional public/government schools, I see them as a potential motivator to district schools. Improve your service/product or see your customers disappear.
Anonmom
April 24th, 2012
9:23 am
I think this is part of why I’ve turned around 180 degrees and have become in favor of vouchers — I have always been a supporter of, and believer in, the free market and I have seen too much waste of tax dollars in public ed… I think this is one of so many ways in which free market principals (and I acknowledge that I did not take enough economics classes in college) can only serve to help the kids coming through and from my lens where we are at is so far removed from ‘good’ it can’t be any worse…. and the dollars we are currently spending is astronautical with gigantic profits to an inordinate number of places at all sorts of levels (state, county, fed). I’m all for profit but I’m also for competition — competition ‘checks’ profit — socialists are for deciding who gets the profit and I’m beginning to think that this is the way this has been working….. Okay — throw darts….
Ronin
April 24th, 2012
10:26 am
Yep, the ability to vote with your feet and using the exit door has a tremendous effect on a service provider that until this November had a virtual monopoly on public/government education. I think you’re going to see fewer administrative and compliance staff and more money spent on program applications that directly affect students.
Further, schools need to get out of the transportation business. Many county school systems spend millions per year on transportation. These are dollars that could and should be spent in the classroom.
Anonmom
April 24th, 2012
10:45 am
I think if folks can be more open minded about it and let the free market in, we could see a lot of positive (not all positive — can’t be so naive to think that it will be all positive) — there will still be negative but I think less negative than there currently is…. the trick will be compare the amount of negative at certain points and then to measure success in that context (price for amount of positive versus amount of negative comparatively).
Mary Elizabeth
April 24th, 2012
12:31 pm
If you support allowing students to be used, directly, for the profit motives of those in business, then you will have no problem supporting the “free market” taking over education. Fortunately, many of us do not want to see students used in this manner. There was a reason Thomas Jefferson supported public education, which he wrote should be paid for by taxes on the general public.
Ronin
April 24th, 2012
2:30 pm
Mary Elizabeth, I’m well aware of how you and others feel about “for profit” education. However, there are many of us who believe that non-traditional (Charter) schools may offer greater opportunities for students. In November, the people will have the opportunity to decide if State Charter schools are best for their children. My prediction is that the amendment will pass and that the customer/student/family will then be empowered by schools that are competing for their business/funding.
If traditional district schools aren’t able to offer a product that is competitive with the new technology driven Charter schools, they will see their enrollment decrease and some may eventually close their doors, if so, then so be it. That’s Darwinian Theory applied to education. Only the strongest programs will survive.
As far as Jefferson supporting public education, that’s a given. Charter schools are also public/government schools as well, with a slight twist, they are run by local parent groups or corporations. They offer greater flexibility for students and curriculum. Most importantly, they offer the family the option to exercise one of our most basic rights, FREEDOM of choice.
Also, I see your bone of contention that “your” tax money is being used “for profit” school, but after the tax is levied, it’s no longer your money, it belongs to the state/local government, who then will spend it as per written law. So, don’t begrudge people who want more than one choice for a public/government education, they are doing what they feel is best for their child.
Further, there will always be a district type school system for which you are an advocate, but it is going to change. A lot.
So, Thomas Jefferson’s vision of public education is maintained in Georgia, starting in 2013, but the rules of the game will change slightly and it will be time for the “for profit” companies to roll with their agenda. I would guess it will be 5 or 10 years before and accurate analysis can be done to determine if they are getting better results.
Maureen, next topic, why schools should eliminate the transportation department and spend the money in the classroom.
Jane W.
April 24th, 2012
3:16 pm
@Ronin. You’ll find the union crowd totally uninterested in parental choice, competition among delivery systems, or innovation that involves anything other than higher taxes & more bloated public school budgets.
The results they value bear scant resemblance yours as a parent or taxpayer.
But you’re also right that experimentation will yield varied results. The marketplace will then works its magic in pointing out a better way or ways.
Why do you fear competition?
April 24th, 2012
3:35 pm
@Ronin. You’ll find the union crowd totally uninterested in competition among delivery systems, parental choice or innovation that involves anything other than higher taxes & bloated public school budgets.
The results they most value bear scant resemblance to yours as a parent or taxpayer.
But you’re also right that experimentation will yield varied results. The marketplace will then work its magic in pointing out a better way or ways … a key ingredient any monopoly shrinks in fear from.
Ron F.
April 24th, 2012
6:07 pm
Ronin: A few questions if I may. Please don’t take any hostility in my asking. I’m honestly trying to learn here, even though I am still very unsure about free market takeover of education.
If we do away with transportation depts., how do we get kids to school then? How do we get teams/bands to competitions? How do we do field trips? Even private schools have buses for events as needed. I work in a small county with one high school. We have kids traveling as far as 15 miles or so who don’t have transportation due to parents’ work schedules. What is the alternative?
“they are run by local parent groups or corporations”
While that sounds good in theory, and I actually do see some merit to having parent groups have more say in a local school, think about the problems. We currently have boards elected by citizens…when they actually get out and vote. Those elections generally don’t draw large numbers of voters, and look at the myriad examples we’ve had in the last ten years of the total lunacy of the boards many ended up with. I’ll give you an argument against that any day of the week!
That said, how will these parent boards insure that some of the same ridiculousness isn’t repeated? How will they be accountable to the end consumer? I know, if you don’t like it, just take your money elsewhere. I see the potential for a lot of wasted money and frustrations as kids move from school to school and schools have to constantly adjust staff numbers, etc. Will there be any reasonable limits on how freely parents can move their kids and the money that follows them?
Finally, the problems with schools/systems go much, much deeper than just the teachers/admins/BOE folks. We have a big problem within our country that education isn’t important to a large percentage. I have kids at all socio-economic levels and from varying racial backgrounds who just don’t care. How do we make education a priority again? How do we convince the already disengaged that they have to get involved? I jus think we have far greater social issues we need to deal with, and we can’t just say “oh well, I got my kid out, so who cares?” That’s a dangerous attitude and I see it motivating a lot of the reform movements.
bootney farnsworth
April 24th, 2012
6:55 pm
@ Ron F,
I was talking with an old friend yesterday who has a slightly different spin, but one I can relate to more and more.
“I need to get myself out, and they can all (parents, admins, legislators, ect) go to hell.”
bootney farnsworth
April 24th, 2012
6:59 pm
school boards are already run by parents. they’re called VOTERS.
the same people who get us into this mess. and you want to put them directly in charge?
here’s where that will lead you:
a school with zero arts, little humanities, and the best football team money can buy.
Big Bill
April 24th, 2012
7:41 pm
There is a new documentary film titled “Koch Brothers Exposed,” It is a Robert Greenwald Film from the Brave New Foundation. Go to “Koch Brothers Exposed.com” to see the trailer plus more information I have only seen the trailer but one quote in it states that the Koch Brothers want to re-segregate the public schools. This new documentary is a must-see film for anyone concerned about the survival of our representative form of government. The plutocracy envisioned by the Koch Brothers does not include a public education system that promotes intelligent, educated citizens who can think for themselves. This article about schools as business is, therefore, timely and right on the money. Another valuable source for this subject is located at this web site: “Business Managed Education” a site created by an Australian university professor which details how wealthy individuals and corporations around the world seek to privatize or eliminate public schools usually with a profit incentive in mind. It lays out just how big corporations and radical right wing billionaires have acted to do just that. It shows how businesses seek to profit from public schools. I urge folks who care about public schools to explore these two resources.
Ole Guy
April 24th, 2012
8:14 pm
As the author and several observers point out, we don’t wish harm upon anyone, much less kids who we are prone to label as “the future”. However, let’s make one undeniable fact clear: whatever we think, say, or do…NOTHING will come of NOTHING until: STANDARDS are established AND enforced. There can be no leniency on this.
My last forray into the classroom was about 15 years ago. When I realized that kids, with grades indicative of geniuses, could not pass simple math tests…no, make that arithmetic tests…I questioned their regular teacher…”How could (ostensibly) A/B students fail (fail miserably) a test on material which had been covered only days before”? The answer (from one of those award-winning teacher-of-this-that-or-the-other recipients): “I GIVE THEM CREDIT FOR TRYING”. What kind of bull was that? More of this psuedo self-esteem nonsense which only serves to poison kids/poison an entire generation which has become steeped in the expectation of maximum returns for minimum efforts. THIS is where the attentions should be directed.
In the military, the training dogma was based on the philosophy “Sweat more in training; bleed less in battle”. Well, as much as we all like to present the world, to these kids, as sweet-smelling and rosey, we have to/we MUST let them know that IT’S A BATTLE. As adults, we (should) know this; the ONLY way to let these kids know this; prepare for this, and have any chance of becoming viable, is to…MAKE EM SWEAT…Insist on standards with no deviation. Anything else, and all we’re doing is fooling ourselves and, worse of all, those kids.
Ron F.
April 24th, 2012
8:44 pm
“here’s where that will lead you:
a school with zero arts, little humanities, and the best football team money can buy.”
Sadly, in many districts, that is exactly what is likely to happen…
Mary Elizabeth
April 25th, 2012
12:41 am
“Further, there will always be a district type school system for which you are an advocate, but it is going to change. A lot.”
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Yes, I am aware that with the present ideological movement toward private schools and other schools of choice, as described by Big Bill at 7:41 pm, traditional public schools may be altered significantly in the future. One of the ways that traditional public schools will change is that their populations will shrink and, thus, their resources will become more depleted for those poorer students who will remain after other students, who have greater financial resources within their families, have transferred to private schools or charter schools. I think that there is a danger, when that happens, that we will have inadvertently resegregated our schools and our society, but this time by class and by wealth instead of simply by race. Below are Big Bill’s words, restated, for emphasis:
“There is a new documentary film titled ‘Koch Brothers Exposed,’ It is a Robert Greenwald Film from the Brave New Foundation. Go to ‘Koch Brothers Exposed.com’ to see the trailer plus more information. I have only seen the trailer but one quote in it states that the Koch Brothers want to re-segregate the public schools. This new documentary is a must-see film for anyone concerned about the survival of our representative form of government. The plutocracy envisioned by the Koch Brothers does not include a public education system that promotes intelligent, educated citizens who can think for themselves.”
Also, I wish to emphasize that I do not object to having my taxes used for the public education of our young. In fact, I support that taxing, of all, for public education, as did Jefferson. I want to emphasize that I have, gladly, paid taxes for more than 40 years to that end, and although I am now a senior citizen who has not had a child in a pulbic school for over a dozen years, I have continued to gladly pay taxes on my home to support public education of our young. After all, I am a retired public school teacher.
By mentioning my thoughts on my taxes, I was trying to show the irony of taxing people to support the common good of all when, in fact, their taxes may end up being used to support private entrepreneurs who will be using government funds (our common taxes) for their private profit interests. If one advocates having tax money “follow the student,” even into private enterprise schools, then, logically, only those citizens who have children in those private schools should be taxed to send their children there. (See my analogy, below, for a more detailed explanation.)
By analgoy, just as all citizens are not taxed to support a private resort on Jekyll Island that caters only to the few of privilege, but all citizens are taxed to support a state park, such as Unicoi State Park, which serves the common recreational interests of all of Georgia’s citizens, only those who patron the Jekyll Island private resort should be expected to pay money to patron that private resort. Likewise, why should a taxpayer (particularly one without a child in public schools) be expected to pay taxes for another family’s choice to send their children to a more exclusive private school (where their tax monies will end up in the hands of private for-profit entrepreneurs), instead of to a traditional public school which was designed to serve all children within the district, equally? That is a debatable question that all citizens need to ponder in the days ahead, in my humble opinion.
Regarding competition and a “survival of the fittest” approach in education, some may care to read my blog entry entitled, “Competition vs. Cooperation,” on my personal blog. Link below:
http://maryelizabethsings.wordpress.com/2012/02/21/competition-vs-cooperation/
Ronin
April 25th, 2012
9:04 am
” Likewise, why should a taxpayer (particularly one without a child in public schools) be expected to pay taxes for another family’s choice to send their children to a more exclusive private school (where their tax monies will end up in the hands of private for-profit entrepreneurs), instead of to a traditional public school which was designed to serve all children within the district, equally? ”
Briefly: Private, profit and equal.
Some Charter schools will be viewed as exclusive (or compared to private) schools, as they may offer exclusive math or science related curriculum.
The profit aspect is simply one step closer to the vendor, without a district based staff for over site.
The element of personal or corporate gain exits in both equations, it’s simply a different management staff.
Equality in education (or in life) has never existed in the history of man and will not for the foreseeable future. Equality and/or egalitarianism, begins at home and a concept that is best started at an early age by parents.
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Ron,
The transportation idea would apply to many larger school systems in a metro area. Often you have a fleet of buses swarming an area a few mile from the school to pick up kids. In high density population areas, an area drop off with a shuttle to the school would eliminate the need for as many buses and drivers. Several district schools in the Atlanta area have transportation budgets that in the tens of millions (or more) of dollars. Some systems in other areas of the country are eliminating bus service as it has take too large a bite out of the budget.
As far as the rural areas and busing, eliminating bus service would not be popular because it’s a convenience that most parents have become accustomed to. However, if they want to utilize the public/government school, their absorbing the price of transport of the student and juggling the work schedule is simply part of being a parent. My point was, it would be better to spend the money in the class, than on the road. So, if you’re in a rural area, have eight class groups per grade, k-12 x 13 groups, with a $3,000,000 transportation budget , that would be an extra $28,846.15 of funds available for each and every class in k-12. I’d allocate it directly to the teacher, who could use it on specified materials for class only use or more field related activities. However, there would need to be a minimal staffing for transportation services to carry team related and field activities. So, yes, buses would still be needed, but only a small percentage of the current fleet.
Your comment: ” We have a big problem within our country that education isn’t important to a large percentage. I have kids at all socio-economic levels and from varying racial backgrounds who just don’t care. How do we make education a priority again? How do we convince the already disengaged that they have to get involved? I jus think we have far greater social issues we need to deal with, and we can’t just say “oh well, I got my kid out, so who cares?” That’s a dangerous attitude and I see it motivating a lot of the reform movements.” *******************************************************************
Short answer: You can’t teach children to value education.
Our country sees education as an entitlement and therefore does not value it. I’ve been to “third world countries” and see that while poor, the family members push children to learn and excel in school. They value the opportunity for education and try to make the most of it. Ron, you are saddled with the by- product of government social engineering programs that basically could care less about attending school and are Hades bent on making the environment as harsh as possible for those who do want to learn and those who want to teach.
As far a school boards and their being elected by voters. Many, (not all) board members, especially in metro areas view this position as politician in training 101. Most are more concerned with the notoriety and power associated in controlling the school budget, which in most counties is more than any local business budget. The solution, elect ONE man or woman to a four year term, who would direct a team of four salaried education managers, all with extensive backgrounds in primarily management, but exposure to education. It’s far easier to hold one person accountable at election time rather than three out of five, once they have a majority vote.
Anyway, politics and education go hand in hand with politics and politicians.
A prior poster had mentioned that the new changes in education will involve the re-segregation of schools, I hope he is right. Segregation of those who value education away from those who are simply doing time to turn 16 and leave.
Mary Elizabeth
April 25th, 2012
9:58 am
“Equality in education (or in life) has never existed in the history of man and will not for the foreseeable future.”
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I am certainly glad that our forefathers did not hold this point of view. “We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal.” -Thomas Jefferson, author of the American Declaration of Independence.
Without an attempt to build a more egalitarian world, no progress in that direction will be made. Our forefathers believed that the attempt was worth the effort. MLKJr: “The arc of the moral universe is long but it bends toward justice.”
Ole Guy
April 25th, 2012
10:10 am
Ron, you’re talking about possibilities/LIKELY to happen. Fear and trepidation over the unknown is, perhaps, the worse thing we can foist upon these kids. If you, somehow, visualize the arts and humanities/the so-called “soft” skills as somehow suffering under a zero tolerance to deviation from prescribed standards, you just MIGHT have a point. However (borrowing a military term), these kids need to experience the “shock and awe” of actually having to meet minimum standards; to feel the “heat” of unbending expectations. This, Ron, and many more of you out there, is the ONLY way we can restore a sense of confidence; of REAL; GENUINE SELF ESTEEM within a generation which is supposed to lead us into the grisley challenges of a 21st century global economy. We cannot; we must not continue to cheat these kids under the blanket of false achievements, low expectations and mediocrity.
Anonmom
April 25th, 2012
10:17 am
Big Bill & Others – instead of being petrified about big money and racists that might come out of any new “system” that competition might bring — why don’t we look at what is currently happneing? Mary Elizabeth — you like to reference Thomas Jefferson… I love Thomas Jefferson. I greatly admire him. He would be flat out appalled at what our public ed system has become. If you were to read Gattos’ books you’d understand why. Carnegie and Rockefeller changed Jefferson’s idea of public ed to make the children into “robots” to fulfil the needs of the huge corporations and government. But it’s not working. All you have to do is look at the “product” coming out of the schools. The proposal is to return to what Jefferson taught which is to allow the children to learn in the best environnemts for each of them… not in some “robotic” formula that the government deems best for them to turn them out in some set way. It isn’t working!!!! The kis are coming out unable to do basic math and unable to read and it’s costing society multiple billions of dollars a year. The rich folk are taking care of themselves. They have choice. They have already segregated themselvse. This is a way for the “rest” to gain that level of education so that they can compete in the world. When parents and teachers tell students from a very early age that it’s okay to just “try” or that there are no consequences for actions and “no zeros” when they are little, that’s the paradigm they learn. Then when they hit the teen years, there really are consequences for actions — like paiting on street corners or buildings or forcing yourself on a girl who doesn’t want sex or taking something from someone when it’s not yours (rather than the communual pile in kindergarten) — there are “rules” of society” that our schools are not teaching young and elementary and middle school aged kids and then, as you can see from other blog posts, they can lead to jail when the kid hits 16 and 17 and doesn’t realize that there really can be consequences to actions. OUR PUBLIC SCHOOLS ARE ALREADY FAILING ARE CHILDREN – CURRENLTLY AND TAXPAYERS ARE FUNDING IT AT BILLIONS OF DOLLARS A YEAR!!! Wake up!!! THis is a poresent crime. The situation is horrible.
Anonmom
April 25th, 2012
10:18 am
OUR not ARE… sorry.
Anonmom
April 25th, 2012
10:23 am
I alos think that, in general, people don’t value what you’re given … you value what you work for. I think that, in general this is what is a problem with our entitlement programs. I think this is what is meant by the expression that it is better to teach someone to fish than to give him the fish and by the comparison in some countries where the poor (including in places like rural Africa and Asia) where the poor scrimp and save every penny so kids can sit on dirt floors without plumbing to get their educations to get out of real poverty and in America where there are schools for everyone, with working in-door plumbing (okay in DCSS it doesn’t always work…), the kids are not the least bit interested in their education — it’s not valued becuase it’s really easy to get.
Teacher Reader
April 25th, 2012
11:05 am
I’ve worked as a teacher with unions and without. I’ve worked as an education consultant for a for-profit business.
To me the problems in education are so many fold. First technology and more of it is not the answer. Technology changes too quickly and there are more important components of learning/education that children need to learn.
To me a good education gets kids thinking and problem solving. A good education shows students that learning is fun and offers plenty of hands on learning opportunities. A good education allows teachers to work on individual student strengths and weaknesses.
When I think back to my best years of teaching, they were actually my first years of teaching. Working in Chicago with 38 students and NO materials. I was able to make my own materials, and work with students on what their needs were. I’d do lots of small groups, that had students moving in and out of them according to their needs. The homework students had was based on their needs. We did lots of hands on experiments (yes with 38 1st graders), and took many meaningful trips that I used to solidify the learning that we did in school and used the experiences throughout the school year. We solved problems and I taught parents (in a low income area) how to get their children excited about learning, to turn off the tv and to get to area museums when they were free.
My expectations for my students were high, very high. Parents did not like this at first, but learned quickly that their children were capable of doing what I expected of them, with effort and work. My kids were proud of their accomplishments, and learned that with hard work anything was possible.
I did not teach for any tests, and yes, my students had to take the ITBS test at the end of the school year and also had quarterly objective tests. I loved watching my students grow. Even in first grade, we had meaningful conversations that helped students solidify their learning. We spent a great amount of time writing and reading (both student and me reading to my students). Videos that we watched (which were very few) were all educational. We made games to play that dealt with what we had learned. The students wrote the questions and answers. Learning happened all day long and my kids were mentally exhausted at the end of the day.
I spent a great deal of my own money (well over $1,000 on things like copies, paper for the kids to write on, pencils, crayons, etc.). My students scored over the second grade level when they were tested with the ITBS. I did not spend days, weeks or months preparing for this test. I simply provided quality instruction and held very high expectations. 37 of 38 students made at least a year’s growth and 80% made a year and a half worth of growth. The one child that did not make growth, was a child that had severe learning problems and was born addicted to drugs. She made 9 months growth and I worked on getting her tested for special ed. This child never gave up and was the hardest worker in my class.
Lots of money doesn’t need to be spent on technology. Buy more books for teachers and students to read. Provide money for meaningful hands-on field trips. Provide money for science experiments, paper to write with, and lower the class size. I did this with 38 children, but I did nothing but school when I wasn’t at school and burned out quickly. Anything over a class of 20 for any type of student is too much.
My school also had discipline. My principal didn’t put up with garbage and put kids out if they didn’t want to learn. This school was not in a plush area of Chicago, but the far South side where gangs were king and my kids’ parents were gang members, but respected a quality education.
Teachers need to be better prepared in their teacher training. They need to be able to use their creativity and teach. Touching on a topic and moving on when kids don’t understand is not teaching or learning. Students need to be challenged and made to think and problem solve, something that does not happen in many classrooms. Students need to get out of their chairs and get moving, as that is what kids were created to do.
I realize that education has become about making money, for teachers, administrators, and companies providing materials and services for schools. The focus is no longer how to make students life long learners. Until the focus changes, our children will continue to taught in a factory like style, where regurgitating info is more prized than thinking outside the box and solving a problem.
Frankie
April 25th, 2012
11:58 am
if it costs the same amount per person toeither educate or incarcerate and the teacher to inmate ratio is higher, what do you think the next step will be…..build more prisons.
Prisons will continue to increase across the nation…..
Frankie
April 25th, 2012
11:59 am
i meant the teacher to correctional officer is higher and students will be the new inmate…..
Ole Guy
April 25th, 2012
3:36 pm
Teacher Reader, you’ve got the experience…the practical day-to-day experience…of plying your profession both within and outside the unionized environment…you, it would appear, are best-qualified to assess the current state of education as it may, or may not prosper within a good solid (if that exists) union. I, personally, have never toiled within the structure of a union. My experience, as a manager and as an engineer, in dealing with unionized personel has not been favorable. However, I am aware of the differences between professional unions and low-skilled trade unions…my experience (I do not want to insult all trade unions, for I know there are some/many whose memberships comprise a highly trained/highly skilled memberships.
Due to the apparent inability of local, state and federal leaderships to forge an effective educational house, it becomes incumbent that those in the know…the certified teachers of this state and of the country…take a leadership stance in forming the best educational systems possible. Of this, there can be absolutely no compromise, for the future of those kids, this country; civilization as we have come to enjoy it are all at stake.
Throughout my often-piercing blogs, I have been unrelenting in reminding the teacher corps that, despite their (ostensibly) devotion to youth, they have been far less than successful, in fact, downright failures, in demonstrating this devotion, simply because they have failed to TAKE COMMAND of the profession they have worked so hard to enter.
So what’s your take on this? Are teachers well-advised to pursue unionization, or do the downsides (as I am quite certain some exist) advise against such action?
Teacher Reader
April 25th, 2012
4:31 pm
The best place where I worked was for a start up charter school, where our contracts were year to year. There was no tenure and we were paid very fairly. The teachers I worked with were all top quality and very caring and passionate about teaching. Our class size was 20 students, so we were truly able to focus on our students. Parents were involved and wanted their child to be at that school, so they wanted their children to succeed (95% were low income kids). True collaboration took place. Teachers developed the curriculum, report cards, and were able to hold students to a high standard because the administration backed us up and did not tolerate children who did not come to school to learn. Teachers who were not up to snuff were let go.
To me, it’s not union vs. non-union. It’s tenure. It’s too difficult to get rid of a teacher, administrator, or worker once they have tenure. There is a great amount of paperwork to get rid of a poor teacher and the unions will always back up a teacher (even if they are drunk on the job and a student is almost killed because of this). If it were up to me, it wouldn’t be union or non-union, it would be about not giving tenure. Tenure in public schools is too easy to get, work for 3 years (usually) and then you have it.
My father was a union member because he worked at the steel mill in town. I don’t see much difference between his union and the teacher union. Both negotiate contracts and extort money from the worker they “represent.” Both support workers who are not up to snuff (My father a high voltage electrician would not work with several co-workers who were known to drink and do drugs on while on the job. The union supported the alcoholic and druggie and not the safety of the employees who were trying to do their jobs to the best of their ability, even after someone was killed because of drinking/drug use. I’ve seen the same with the teachers union. A teacher comes back from lunch drunk daily. A child who was deathly allergic to bees almost dies after being stung by a bee because the teacher was drunk and did not remember the child was allergic to bees and did not give the eppi pen to the child, even when the child was asking for it and clearly not breathing. The union here, also fought for the teacher to keep her job, and won. This happens when teachers are caught verbally abusing students. The teacher may be moved, but they are still working).
I left teaching when I was no longer able to teach. Teaching is NOT about sparking a fire in a student to life long learning. Teaching is NOT about giving students experiences to problem solve and come up with solutions that they reason and think out completely. Teaching is NOT about getting students to get excited about literature, music, art, or anything that they may not otherwise experience. Teaching is NOT about guiding students to write complete sentences with coherent thoughts and expressing themselves in a way that others will want to read and enjoy. Teaching is NOT exposing children to science experiments and getting them to think scientifically and follow the scientific process. Teaching is NOT about showing students how to think like a mathematician, so that they can understand and complete complex math problems. Teaching is NOT showing students the true history of the world, and helping them to see that history repeats itself and that there are so many sides to a single historical event (Historical events can’t be taught in 3 or 4 pages). Teaching HAS BECOME making sure that students can answer the limited questions answered on a single test.
To me, teachers who really want to change education would be best working to start their own schools rather pursing unionization. Teachers, who are passionate about igniting the spark of life long learning will only be able to do this in schools that focus on the process of teaching and not the outcome of a test. I don’t see this changing in our public schools any time soon.
Anonmom
April 25th, 2012
8:40 pm
teacher reader is describing the environment I’m finding in my fancy private school… I really think that vouchers would allow more kids to have access to these environments.
Mary Elizabeth
April 25th, 2012
9:12 pm
What Jefferson would have been appalled by, in today’s America, is the heavy concentration of wealth and power in the hands of the few, who control the lives of the many, through their wealth and power. Those same few are the same persons who are trying to dismantle public education. (See ALEC’s list of corporate combined with legislative membership.) Below are Paul Krugman’s words, in the NY Times, on 4/22//12:
“Overall employment in the Obama years has been held back by mass layoffs of schoolteachers and other state and local government employees. But private-sector employment has recovered almost all the ground lost in the administration’s early months. That compares favorably with the Bush era: as of March 2004, private employment was still 2.4 million below its level when Mr. Bush took office.
Oh, and where have those mass layoffs of schoolteachers been taking place? Largely in states controlled by the G.O.P.: 70 percent of public job losses have been either in Texas or in states where Republicans recently took control.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/23/opinion/krugman-the-amnesia-candidate.html?_r=1
Ronin
April 25th, 2012
9:17 pm
M.E. :
” Without an attempt to build a more egalitarian world, no progress in that direction will be made. Our forefathers believed that the attempt was worth the effort”**********************************************************************************************************
Evolution is a process that is subject to time more so than effort or “attempt”. While the “vision” is a noble one, it has been 236 years and yet we are far from the egalitarianism society that many have drawn on paper for years.
That’s why I made the comment, it will not be so for the foreseeable future. That’s a fact, it’s real and the evidence shows it to be true. One can wish for an egalitarianism society, as a model of how things should be. However, look at Darfur and South Africa, also areas of the Middle East to see how things really are.
Teacher Reader at 4:31, that is an interesting summation on why children, “pass the test”, but are basically ignorant when they graduate from high school. That is EXACTLY the reason that education needs another option, rather than teach to the test. Thanks for the info.
Ronin
April 25th, 2012
9:39 pm
This has gone from a debate on the business of education, which IS a business even in the current district school model, to a bash the wealthy because they have too much money and power.
It could be called a Socialist rant against the people who have made prudent business decisions in life, taken risks and have been rewarded by financial gain in the stock/bond market beyond the monthly pension of a government employee.
There are those who hang onto an educational system, not because it’s efficient or effective, simply because it is what they know and it’s provided by the government.
They see their way of life being overtaken by opportunity and freedom of choice.
The only constant in life is change, and in the State of Georgia, we are long overdue for a complete revision of the public education system.
Smithers, release the profit hounds on education in Georgia.
Mary Elizabeth
April 25th, 2012
10:06 pm
It is not a matter of “bash(ing) the wealthy because they have too much money and power.” I have no problem with others having money and power, if they so wish. I do have a problem with allowing the voices of the many to be less than the voices of the few, especially in America with the tenets upon which our nation was founded. Below are a couple of posts that I, initially, posted on Jay Bookman’s blog, earlier this month, which may explain my thoughts on egalitarianism in greater depth. It may take, not simply decades, but centuries more, for the world to evolve as fully as possible in the direction of egalitarianism. After all, the Magna Carta was signed in the year 1215.
On 4/12/12, I posted the following:
“My interpretation is consistent with yours, but with a differing slant, if you will. I have written often on this blog that I believe that the world is moving toward a more egalitarian consciousness from an older, hierarchial consciousness, as evidenced through the formation of America herself, based on the premise that ‘all are created equal,’ the end of slavery, the end of Jim Crow, the right of women to vote and have rights equal to men, the creation of the United Nations, the break up of the Soviet Union into smaller, relatively self-determining states, the end of apartheid in South Africa, the Gay, Bisexual and Transexual Liberation Movement, and the Arab Spring, among many other illustrations.
In the numbers given above, the same demographic groups who were in support of John Kerry in 2000 have widened their margins in their support for Obama in 2012. This change – or evolution as I see it – is more than simply another choice between two men, such as Kerry and Bush or Obama and Romney. It is the result of the continuing progression toward a greater egalitarian consciousness throughout American and the world. The last demographic group to break from a hierarchial view of others is the American white male of middle years and older. Many white males, of that age bracket, throughout the world praise Obama as the U. S. President and they agree with his vision. I know firsthand from having had conversations with male family relatives who are French natives.
Why do American white older males continue to hold strongly to their increasingly anachronistic hierarchial views of power and, thus, do not support Obama for attempting to transcend that vision? The answer is obvious to many. White males in America have been at the top of the ‘power chain’ since our nation was formed, and power does not relinquish itself, easily. Hierarchy and power go hand-in-hand. Equality and egalitarianism go hand-in-hand. The world is changing. Our Founding Fathers were men of extraordinary vision. They knew that it was inevitable that the world would change and evolve. George Washington was not known for being a visionary, as much as he was honored for his pragmatic wisdom. Through his wisdom, Washington by his act of voluntarily relinquishing his power, after having won the Revolutionary War to return to Mt. Vernon as a private citizen, equal to all other citizens, became a visionary. He made that same choice, deliberately, a second time when he refused to run for President of the U.S. for a third term and relinquished power, once again, to return Mt. Vernon as a private citizen. I believe the Father of Our Country made those specific choices so that Americans would emulate his wisdom, well into the future. Washington demonstrated by his actions that the better way is not to seek and glorify self-interested power, but instead to honor service to one’s fellowmen and women. The world is evolving in that direction because the world is developing a more egalitarian consciousness, and the numbers, above, demonstrate that reality to me.”
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On April 23, 2012, I posted the following:
“I was pleased with the election of President Obama not because he was the first black president, although that would have been sufficient enough to be pleased. He captured my imagination because of his vision. I suspect it was Obama’s vision that, also, captured the imagination of the Nobel Peace Prize Committee when they awarded him the Nobel Peace Prize.
In the current issue of Newsweek (4/ 23 & 30/12), Robert Caro, author of several volumes of LBJ’s life, contends that LBJ was a better president than JFK because LBJ was able to get Congress to pass legislation that Kennedy had only expressed the hope of seeing passed – specifically, Civil Rights legislation.
So, was LBJ a better president than JFK? I think that that possiblity is more to be doubted than Robert Caro admits. JFK captured the hearts and minds, or the imaginations, of Americans. LBJ sealed the deal. However, the ability to capture the imaginations of others is no easy accomplishment. To many, Barack Obama has that same gift that Kennedy had – the ability to inspire others and to forge his vision into the nation’s collective consciousness. Perhaps, Obama is setting the stage for a changed America, and a changed world, in this century. Perhaps, the Nobel Peace Prize Committee saw that dynamic force within him – already in movement – beyond the deeds that would fall, thereafter, as a result of the change in consciousness, precipitated by him.
And, Obama’s vision is an egalitarian vision, the same vision that Jefferson’s mind encompassed. That vision is the antithesis of Hitler’s vision of hierarchy, based on power of some over others, which is the vision of any autocratic ruler, or of any authoritarian government, whatever the label.”
Ron F.
April 25th, 2012
10:31 pm
“It could be called a Socialist rant against the people who have made prudent business decisions in life, taken risks and have been rewarded by financial gain in the stock/bond market beyond the monthly pension of a government employee.”
I know some folks, myself included, who got smacked unmercifully by the stock/bond market in the last recession that might not be so happy to defend it just at the moment…just sayin. My 403b took a big hit in the small recession in 03-04 and isn’t even worth looking at now. Prudent decision making didn’t help a lot of late.
While it may seem socialistic to argue for the current public school system, the people I read on here for the most part are educators who are genuinely concerned for the kids they teach. They’re caught in a system that has become horribly overloaded with administrative “jobs” (and I use that term VERY loosely) and which has been a political hockey puck smacked around by politicians who probably couldn’t find the front door of a single school in their district. But’s let’s be honest about how it got that way. We, the people of the towns, counties, and states let it get that way. We’ve been asleep at the wheel, not participating in or paying an ounce of attention to local elections for BOE members. We’ve let elected boards create a miasma of management that rival the best corporations. We had the chance to stop it, change it, and we didn’t. We can only hope that enough of them will get involved and stay involved in a new design. Over time though, people lose interest and things begin happening while they nap.
That said, I’m very concerned about turning the whole thing over to the free market. If we think we haven’t had any control up to now, wait until the corporate gurus get their hands on it. There’s no transparency, no laws substantively governing how they account for the money, and right now no way to guarantee that the end product will be better in the long run. Oh sure, they’ll make a lot of promises and everything will be great in the short run, but how will we really have any control over what a corporate board somewhere in a flashy board room does when the profit margin isn’t high enough? When teachers start bailing out because the “bosses” aren’t making enough money and cut pay and benefits, then parents are left to find another school. When a group of parents gets upset and pulls out, leaving the rest with bills to run a school that suddenly can’t be paid, then what? The free market creates a lot of flux, and I don’t know how schools will handle that and have any consistency.
As I’ve said before, I think it’s unwise to rush headlong into something because it looks better before we know the details. I plan to watch how Louisiana does over the next couple of years as they roll out their voucher programs. We’ll need to learn, a lot, and very quickly, to avoid the pitfalls they’re sure to run into. Just understand my position will remain to defend the needs and challenges of my poor kids, whose families aren’t as adept at navigating the free market as most posters here. Those who choose to may call it socialistic, but I’ll keep looking out for them regardless. They’ll need advocates and guides if they’re going to to keep up and I don’t think the corporate bigwigs will really care one way or the other.
Ron F.
April 25th, 2012
10:40 pm
Ole Guy: the fear is that teachers in non-union states will step up and seek the solidarity they lack now. That’s why all the anti-union legislation is popping up via ALEC and why Wisconsin is trying to recall its governor. They’re bashing us and using us as the scapegoats because they know we know what’s going on and have, for too long, taken a back seat in the fight. I think, from what I’ve read and heard of late, that may change. I hope so, and while I don’t think that unions are the answer, some sort of unifying structure needs to be there. I don’t want to give money to a nationalized group that may or may not fight for me here, which is why I never joined GAE, but I know from the Barnes/Perdue election that teachers tipped the scale and whipped Roy’s backside because he ticked us off. Might be time to find that unifying cause again.
Mary Elizabeth
April 25th, 2012
11:49 pm
If schools were to become private entities instead of part of a public system, then teachers within those individual schools will become “free agents” who will have to secure their own retirement funds because there will no longer be a Teacher Retirement System, or a unified healthcare system for all public school teachers.
With this changing dynamic, teachers will be leaving the schools at 3:15 pm to take second jobs in order to build their retirement portfolios since they will have to secure their own retirement monies for themselves, alone, and their salaries will not be great enough to save for retirement without a second job. Teachers will change from being public servants whose primary energy and time are given to students, within and outside of school hours, to becoming free agents who must, by necessity, “look after number one.”
Does the general public really want the public schools to turn into business enterprises which will create that type of teacher? How America has changed in 40 years. Rep. Jan Jones, sponsor of the state charter school amendment to the Georgia Constitution, in this past legislative session, had sponsored another bill – which was later dropped – in which administrators in state public charter schools would be given the authority to mandate that the teachers within their state charter schools not be allowed to be members of the Teacher Retirement System of Georgia.
Public school teachers must remain aware of what is happening in Georgia’s legislature to dismantle traditional public education, which is not given publicity. Do not be surprised if, in this next legislative session, bills are brought up which will attempt to use present teacher retirement funds for risky venture capital enterprise endeavors. This should be fought. Teacher retirement funds come essentially from the paychecks of teachers, themselves, (80% to 90% of the funds are from teachers’ paychecks) which are then invested for them by the TRS Board, and not from taxes from the general public.
Ronin
April 26th, 2012
12:17 am
A poster listed: “Why do American white older males continue to hold strongly to their increasingly anachronistic hierarchial views of power and, thus, do not support Obama for attempting to transcend that vision?” BECAUSE THEY HOPE THERE IS NO CHANGE.
Please don’t play the white male syndrome card, that’s worse than the race card.
Further: ““I was pleased with the election of President Obama not because he was the first black president, although that would have been sufficient enough to be pleased”******************************************************************************************
President Obama is half black, half white. Bill Clinton was the first ALL black President (and the best politician of our time), as he could relate to anyone, Teflon coated does not begin to describe how slick this man was and is.
M.E, you write eloquently and have an absolute plethora of information, based on a left or socialist slant, but it doesn’t trump logic and fact, in regard to national politics.
I agree with you, no CEO is worth 75 million a year with all the perks when a line worker makes $8.00 per hour with no medical or supplemental (DBP- defined benefit plan) for retirement. The boards of many major corporations are lined with corporate shills to advance an agenda. As a stockholder in several Atlanta based multinational corporations, I find the annual board meetings response to issues lacking in content and explanations of compensation packages without merit.
Captain Ron: your comment: “I know some folks, myself included, who got smacked unmercifully by the stock/bond market in the last recession that might not be so happy to defend it just at the moment…just sayin. My 403b took a big hit in the small recession in 03-04 and isn’t even worth looking at now.” ********************************************************************************************
Ron, some mutual funds more than doubled your money over the last ten years. Yacktman (yackx), u.s. stock fund, Fidelity Contra, Fidelity Low priced stock, Meridian Growth, FPA Crescent (fpacx), to name a few off the top of the head. Often, 403b plans are limited by the fund choices offered.
Reading to consider on investment management: Winning the losers game, by Charles Ellis and “A random walk down wall street”, by Burton Malkiel. Both stress the index approach and asset allocation for superior investment returns, “over the long run”, using a model of 80 plus years of data.
The truth is, is will work, over an extended period of time, but the last 10 years, intense fund/market analysis has returned a net yield of 8% or higher.
So, if your investment choices are limited in your 403b plan, you and your co-workers, that means all of them, should contact H/R to request more options. Fidelity has some of the best managed plans.
Good luck
Ronin
April 26th, 2012
12:45 am
M: at the Wimbledon Club we would consider your following comment as: game, set, match.
your comment: ******************************************************************************************************************** “If schools were to become private entities instead of part of a public system, then teachers within those individual schools will become “free agents” who will have to secure their own retirement funds because there will no longer be a Teacher Retirement System, or a unified healthcare system for all public school teachers.*****************************************************************************************
Teachers will have to save for their own retirement via a 403b plan, their medical coverage will be via Obamacare. Teachers will receive the same benefit as the rest of the population, including the formally wealthy.
Your further comment: ” With this changing dynamic, teachers will be leaving the schools at 3:15 pm to take second jobs in order to build their retirement portfolios since they will have to secure their own retirement monies for themselves”**************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************
Teachers will join the masses to invest for profit in the stock and bond exchange. Their investment returns will be based on the growth and profit of American and International corporations, if profit is down, retirement spending is down, or lost.
Without growth of business and investment income, teacher retirement plans, and many other retirement plans are not sustainable.
M: your prior post confirmed that fact and logic on economics and investment theory, are just that, fact and logic.
We both agree that education in Georgia needs to be improved, but differ on the content. I’m for parent/corporate options and you support the traditional district approach with the support of the GAE and NEA.
Ron, post any questions you want on general investment content or estate planning.
Mary Elizabeth
April 26th, 2012
1:52 am
Ronin,
When I started my teaching career in the 1969 – 70 school year, my teaching contract stated: “You take care of the students of Georgia and the TRS will take care of your retirement funds.” As a result, the state of Georgia, and the children of Georgia, had from me 35 years of very dedicated service to students for whom I cared and helped to succeed. I became a school leader for most of my career, showing other teachers how to address individual instructional needs of their students. Often I remained at school until 7 or 8 pm, working to create instructional training materials for teachers and parents. That I was not paid for giving this extra time to others did not concern me. My instrinsic motivation to excel came from my desire to help students, teachers, parents, and my school community to improve. For this work and success, I was given many awards over the years. Now, I am financially secure in my retirement years. My contract with the state of Georgia was a beneficial plan for me, as a teacher, as well as for thousands of students, who reaped the results of my many hours of planning for them, and my delivery of skills and knowledge to them. I believe traditional public education can be improved because I helped to improve it during my active years as a teacher and as a school leader. Competition did not make me an excellent teacher. Care did that for me. Money and power have never been primary to me. Learning, giving back, teaching, and raising our child, with my husband, were primary to me. The hours some might have spent on their financial portfolios, I spent on improving the lives of young people. I was often asked, on a countywide level, to train other teachers. That is where I placed my time and effort. There are only so many hours in a day. Where one places emphasis is a matter of what one values, in terms of priority.
Regarding the need for an egalitarian consciousness. You have acknowledged, “I agree with you, no CEO is worth 75 million a year with all the perks when a line worker makes $8.00 per hour with no medical or supplemental (DBP- defined benefit plan) for retirement.”
How can those who make only $8.00 an hour ever hope to build savings accounts sufficient enough to allow them to invest for their future retirement? They are only able to survive day to day with those low wages. The “game,” if you will, has not been equitably designed, to begin with. I believe that you see this. Charles Dickens wrote eloquently about this over a century ago, in England. “Man’s inhumanity to man” continues today. You also write, “The boards of many major corporations are lined with corporate shills to advance an agenda.” I am aware of this even without having attended those board meetings. I wish to see the consciousness of our nation return to a time, which I well remember, when value was placed upon service, not simply upon personal gain. JFK, in his inaugural address had said in 1960, “Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country.” I remember when he gave that speech, and I remember when our national consciousness was not primarily focused upon money and the accruing of it, but upon service to one’s fellow human beings, especially those less fortunate than most. Many young people today have never even seen, or known, an America like that. I continue to write to share with others what America has been in her past – my past – and what America can be, again.
Ronin
April 26th, 2012
3:04 am
M:, that sound kind of James Bondish.
While a skeptic of public/government education. I don’t believe for a moment that you were not committed to teaching. Government social engineering stacked the deck against you from the beginning.
As far at the TRS, everyone should get the same benefit, which is a comfortable retirement. TRA is a private account that pays five times SS for 35 years of service. If you want to make all things equal, you have to flush the TRS, because, you’re getting more than the masses.
As a former insurance executive, investment banker and investment/hedgefund manager, the “retirement” concept for a retiring 48 year old policeman and fire fighters and teachers is unsustainable, just like medicare and medicade. They will likely live another 30 years in retirement, earning more, in current day dollars and benefits, than when they were working.
There isn’t enough money in circulation to make the New Deal 2 work, it’s basic math.
Ole Guy
April 26th, 2012
3:04 am
Ron, thanks for the factual analysis. Whatever the political winds may hold, no one (who cares) can argue against the need for the teacher corps to gain a real voice in the direction of education. The powers that be have amply demonstrated that, despite all the happy talk, they couldn’t care less about quality education. It is, therefore, imperative that, by hook or crook, teachers take an active role in making their voices heard in formulating 21st century public education. Perhaps you might see fit to get that ball rolling.
As the hour is late…or early…depending on how one views the 24 hour clock, I will bid you all a bon soir, a tout a l’heur, and a hearty AMF!
Ron F.
April 26th, 2012
6:34 am
Privatization, while it sounds good, isn’t necessarily the great fix for any public institution. Look at our military and do some reading on the actual costs accrued in the privatization effort. Our military budget as a percentage of GDP has risen far faster than any other sector, and there’s no end in sight. How do we keep that from happening in education? There’s also the issue of legal oversight. Corporations are aren’t bound by the same laws that govern the current system, and while that may sound appealing, think Blackwater, DynCorp, etc. The possibilities for what can be done with our money coupled with corporate profit seeking isn’t a real fix for the problem. We have a mess because we, the voters, the ones ultimately in control, ceded that right by refusing to exercise our authority. And now we want to let that go to the free market where we’ll have less collective authority? And we think unions are bad. Wait until you try to call the “home office” and wait on hold to talk to a customer service rep. in Asia somewhere and get a straight answer. That’s not for me, thank you kindly.
Anonmom
April 26th, 2012
9:53 am
I hate to be the one to break this to you — no one is currently watching the “hen house” regarding how the taxpayers’ billions are currently being spent — locally or federally– the dollars are being wasted. At least if you infuse competition into the process and infuse the money in at the bottom instead of the top, it is much more likely that the money will actually get used for the purpose for which it is intended –e.g. the actual education of the child rather than the lining of the pockets of the people who have some “connection” to whatever system is the monopoly governmental entity in charge or has the best friend or family member making the decision. Yes, I understand that this is a very cynical statement but if you look at the actual results of what we as a “system” (DCSS, APS, etc) have been actually producing this past, oh lets just say past decade, the results actually speak for themselves — no tax returns ever get filed, there is no on-line check register, no on-line p card register, there are layers upon layers of bureaucracy, there is no requirement that parents take any interest in anything, there is massive “sweeping” of anything that can be “swept” under the carpet, the “blame game” is in full swing. I submit to you that the “free market” would take these dollars and actually empower the consumer to the fore to enable the child to actually benefit and would actually require the entity receiving the funds to efficiently use the funds to educate the child — the current system is completely inefficient and unresponsive to needs. It’s antiquated. The TRS in DCSS hasn’t been funded in years… you’re nuts if you’re a teacher and you’re relying on the system for your retirement — a lawsuit has been filed over this… the free market would probably increase salaries and allow folks to become self reliant on all fronts and if it fails, no one would be any worse off since we are doing abysmally now (the good schools would stay good with the program).
Anonmom
April 26th, 2012
9:55 am
If you need to see the contrast between government and private starkly look at how well the government runs security at the airport… I think the private firms did a better job than TSA….. government really isn’t the answer — less government and competition is usually a better answer. The Soviet Union fell. Greece is busting at the seems. Italy is falling apart. Spain is collapsing. More government isn’t good.
Ron F.
April 26th, 2012
10:09 am
” rather than the lining of the pockets of the people who have some “connection” to whatever system is the monopoly governmental entity in charge or has the best friend or family member making the decision.”
And as they say in the corporate world, “it’s not WHAT you know, it’s WHO you know.” The difference between public and private is just that- one’s at least somewhat accountable to the public and the other’s private and protected from laws and VOTES. That’s not exactly a comforting thought.
Mary Elizabeth
April 26th, 2012
10:15 am
If anyone seriously thinks that the “free market,” alone, is the answer to financial stability for our nation, I urge you to watch a rerun of this week’s two hour broadcast of “Frontline: Money, Power, and Wall Street, Part 1,” on PBS – TV. Part 2 of this program will be broadcast on May 1. This broadcast will open many eyes. Even Alan Greenspan admitted to a need to adjust his financial preconceptions, late in his life.
Proper balance will control excesses of any type – financial, emotional, social. The governmental, public sector has its proper place in American society, as does the private, business sector. Only ideologues refuse to give each their proper due. Each sector balances the other. We must restore balance to our nation.
A Working Mother
April 27th, 2012
7:02 am
I don’t mind business being in education but I don’t want more technology. It is misused and abused.
Computers in the classroom are treated like televisions in the home — like electronic babysitters. We need to get technology OUT of the classrooms. They’re expensive and require too much support and my goodness, it is outrageous to take a teacher out of the classroom to learn how to use an electronic device. The taechers need to be in the classroom teaching and not away from teh kids all day learning how to use a gizmo that a human being could do better.
White boards instead of chalkboards? Sure.
Computers with Internet connections so that teachers can surf the Internet and blog while they should be working? Never.