Feds: Black students more than three times as likely to be suspended or expelled

The U.S. Department of Education released data today showing that black students are more than three times as likely as white peers to be suspended or expelled.

The US DOE report relies on self-reported data, Part II of the 2009-10 Civil Rights Data Collection, which covers a range of issues including college and career readiness, discipline, school finance, and student retention.

“The power of the data is not only in the numbers themselves, but in the impact it can have when married with the courage and the will to change. The undeniable truth is that the everyday educational experience for many students of color violates the principle of equity at the heart of the American promise. It is our collective duty to change that,”  said Education Secretary Arne Duncan.

According to US DOE:

African-American students, particularly males, are far more likely to be suspended or expelled from school than their peers. Black students make up 18% of the students in the CRDC sample, but 35% of the students suspended once, and 39% of the students expelled.

Students learning English (ELL) were 6% of the CRDC high school enrollment, but made up 12% of students retained.

Only 29% of high-minority high schools offered Calculus, compared to 55% of schools with the lowest black and Hispanic enrollment.

Teachers in high-minority schools were paid $2,251 less per year than their colleagues in teaching in low-minority schools in the same district.

Assistant Secretary for Civil Rights Russlynn Ali said that for the first time, this survey includes detailed discipline data, including in-school suspensions, referrals to law enforcement, and school-related arrests.

“These new data categories are a powerful tool to aid schools and districts in crafting policy, and can unleash the power of research to advance reform in schools,” Ali said.

Please click here to read an October Get Schooled entry on a report showing that there’s no evidence that students of color engage in more misbehavior than white students. And click here to read about a piece I did about a Georgia study that found African-American students, poor kids and children with learning disabilities are more likely to be disciplined.

The new U.S. DOE report draws on data for 72,000 schools serving 85 percent of America’s students.  The U.S. DOE sent me a selected fact sheet on Atlanta Public Schools, which was part of the data collection for the study.

Among the facts in the sheet about Atlanta:

Average teacher salary: $94,068. I have a question pending with US DOE and Atlanta itself on whether this average  — which seems high to me – includes benefits. APS got back to me this morning. According to a spokesman, “When we add 30 percent for benefits, the average APS teacher salary is $85,675.93.”

Student enrollment:  48,000

Student demographics: Black students, 80.9 percent/ white students, 11.3 percent/Hispanic, 3.4 percent/American Indian and Alaskan, 2.1 percent/Asian, 0.8 percent.

Percentage of students with disabilities: 9.1

Percentage of students on free and reduced lunch: 82. 1

Of the 4,375 students in the gifted and talented program. 51.3 percent are black, 40.9 percent are white, 1.9 percent are Asian and 1.7 percent are Hispanic

Of the 2,070 students who received in-school suspensions,  89.1 percent are black, 6.3 percent are Hispanic and 3.6 percent are white.

Of the 5,170 students who received out-of-school suspensions, 95.4 percent are black, 2 percent are Hispanic and 1.8 percent are white.

Of the 285 students expelled, 98.5 percent are black and 1. 8 percent are Hispanic. There are no white or Asian students expelled.

Percentage of teachers absent more than 10 days a year: 2.9 percent

Percentage of classroom teachers in second year of teaching: 5.6

Percentage of classroom teachers in first year of teaching: 5.4

Percent of classroom teachers fully certified: 98.8

Student to teacher ratio: 12.8 to 1

–From Maureen Downey, for the AJC Get Schooled blog

150 comments Add your comment

catlady

March 6th, 2012
9:14 pm

Were there statistical controls in place for the many variables that can “step up” the level of punishment?

At my lower economic level school (75% free lunch), by far the highest proportion of infractions (there are virtually never any suspensions or even ISS) are from the lower class white kids. The Hispanic kids, virtually all on free lunch, and middle class kids have the fewest infractions, by far. (We have one black child in the school).

As for me, I don’t look at suspension or removal from school as a “learning experience” for the offender, although occasionally it is, but I DO look at is as a huge bonus for those whose learning was being disrupted. Just like jail is rarely a learning experience, but it gets the predators off the street and helps the rest of us.

I love teaching. I hate what it is becoming...

March 6th, 2012
9:31 pm

@Hugh

Please refrain from making broad based comments about “liberals”. As a self-professed liberal, I can assure you that you don’t have a clue what you are talking about. Now, I am off to bed, and I can assure you, whatever I dream about, it won’t have anything to do with black children going into some “system”.

Parah Salin (the governor)

March 6th, 2012
9:59 pm

This is a sad discussion on this blog. people that have very little business offering an opinion, are going on and on about things they obviously know nothing about. First, it is statistically impossible to assemble a randomly selected sample and have 40% of them be gifted. Gifted students should be in the 95th percentile. This is as statistically probable as the test scores that were reported by APS before the cheating was revealed. My guess is that the numbers are skewed because many black students that are qualified are not enrolled in the program, which boost the percentage of whites in the gifted program.

My other observation is the reasons that people are giving for the problems that black students face is disturbing. I have worked in education. I know first hand that some students only have to concern themselves with school, while others have tremendous challenges they must overcome. Unfortunately schools are asked to deal with the results of these students problems. One undeniable truth always is evident, all parents want the best for their children, but some are better able to provide the resources to make this desire a reality.

One last thing. We all know in our heart of hearts that is is much easier to be white in this country than black. We know it is much easier to be male than female. We know is is way easier to youthful than elderly. we know these things and it makes us uncomfortable. that is why rediculous explanations like the one offered here keep getting rehashed. The playing field will NEVER be level. That is not the point. The point I am making is those that benefit from the unlevel field should stop pretending that they are like every one else.

Michael

March 6th, 2012
10:05 pm

Evidently it’s not working. Let’s do it again!

ricardus

March 6th, 2012
10:11 pm

I wonder why??? Can’t resist playing that race card, can you?

Bernie

March 6th, 2012
10:28 pm

What is worse than the numbers stated above. and believe me there are far worse numbers. For example, Right now there are more BLACK Males going to PRISON than to college. Just think about that a minute. Everyday there are thousands of them going to Jail and prisons to be locked up with other undesirables to learn even worse habits and attitudes.

Over time a high percentage of them will be released back into our neghborhoods, communities,towns and cities. Now , think on that one! they will be relased to us just as angry and maladjusted as before they left. This is a CRISIS for ALL of US.

Moving away will not solve and dimminsh the threat. it is here and until we do something about it. It will come to our home in the middle of the night and or day and it will not knock.

Old Physics Teacher

March 6th, 2012
10:45 pm

Figures don’t lie; but liars do figure. The other one is correlation does not imply causation. A number of years ago I wrote up an African-American teen-age girl for “talking back to me.” She stuck her finger in my face, shook her head to the side and said, “Honey-child, you don’t know what you’re talking about!”

She had no idea what she did was wrong, because that is how her “discussions” went in her home. It had nothing to do with her color. It had everything to do with her upbringing. With the large number of male parents absent from homes, and the acknowledged young age of the mothers, and the mothers’ lack of knowledge of how to be a parent,it is no wonder at the high number of POOR CHILDREN who are being suspended and expelled.

It’s not a black OR white thing. It is a POOR PARENTING thing. I have seen poor kids get in trouble, and I have seen rich kids get in trouble. Admittedly, far more poor kids get in trouble, but in every case, and I mean EVERY case, the problem resolved into a PARENT problem – not a kid problem..

Dekalbite@Maureen

March 6th, 2012
10:45 pm

“Still waiting for either APS or US DOE to clarify. I am still wondering if that figure includes benefits of some”

Benefits would have to be calculated at an unbelievable 61% for this $94,000 teacher compensation to be true.

Look at the real average salary for APS teachers:
$59,417

This figure is directly from the Georgia DOE website (see below) which comes from the APS superintendent:

http://archives.gadoe.org/ReportingFW.aspx?PageReq=102&CountyId=761&T=1&FY=2011

Benefits are around 20%. APS has no more benefits than DeKalb which officially pegs benefit costs at 20%.

Why don’t you confirm the Georia DOE website figures with the Georgia BOE and/or the superintendent of APS? The superintendent of APS could tell you the real benefit figure. APS pays no Social Security for teachers and no TSA contribution so their benefit figures will be less than say Cobb County for example who does pay Social Security.

APS teachers have one of the lowest average of years of experience – 10.9 yr. In the metro area indicative of a very high teacher turnover/attrition. This would indicate less teachers make it to retirement – lowering their overall compensation even more – they never see that TRS contribution if they do not make it to 30 years.

And why are the federal and state figures so different for first year teachers?

I know this is not the main idea of the article, but if these important figures are incorrect, that lessens the credibility of the other figures.

Rick

March 6th, 2012
11:49 pm

“Teachers in high-minority schools were paid $2,251 less per year than their colleagues in teaching in low-minority schools in the same district.”

Because??? Less experience (one hopes).

Bob From Account Temps

March 7th, 2012
8:06 am

the answer is simple, expel or suspend more white male/female students

Maureen Downey

March 7th, 2012
8:17 am

@To all, Still haven’t heard from US DOE on the high figure it lists for APS average teacher salary, but did hear this morning from Atlanta Schools on what its average salary is:

“When we add 30% for benefits, the average APS teacher salary is $85,675.93,” said the APS spokesman.

Maureen

Ken

March 7th, 2012
9:09 am

No family equals big problems for all concerned. No amount of money will help.

Ed

March 7th, 2012
9:18 am

I can remember attending an all black school before integration in the 70’s. The teachers who taught me also taught my sisters, my aunt’s, my mother and every one else in my family before teaching me. This was more of a family type atmosphere, the teachers were more nurturing and understanding, they took pride in teaching the children of their former students. We as kids felt loved, important and understood by our teachers.It was important to us as children to make our teachers and parents proud of us. It makes all the difference in the world to a child when he knows some one cares as opposed to just being taught. Once schools were integrated it could not be compared to the experiences I had being taught by those legendary black teachers in my community. There were single parents in the 60’s and 70’s, but there were some great teachers too.

Real American

March 7th, 2012
9:40 am

Parah Salin, its obvious that Maureen wasn’t trying to compel an actual thoughtful and nuanced discussion on those stats. She got what she wanted, and that’s really telling about her isn’t it?

Unbelievable

March 7th, 2012
10:02 am

@Real American, 9:30: Maureen offers links to several major studies on racism and education and juvie justice – including a federal study done under the tenure of your savior GW. And you complain that she didn’t want a “thoughtful and nuanced” discussion? Why. Because the studies blame the R word. Get over it. Racism is not gone. You want to blame black culture, mothers, rap music or anything but racism.

hryder

March 7th, 2012
10:05 am

Economic and number of parents living in the home are more valid statistics than race in determining success in academics. There also exists politically incorrect factors that are never mentioned due to the totally irrational response of low performing groups and their sympathizers.

Frankie

March 7th, 2012
10:58 am

Someone bought up the “fact” that the teachers in APS schools are mostly black, so how is there discrimination.

If a white boy and a black boy talk back to a black teacher, who do you think the teacher is going to react to and punish more. I say the black boy, why…economics and job security..
(unfortunately) The white parents are more likely to raise more fuss and be more credibly responded to over the black parents who are middle to lower income. The teacher is not going to go up against the white parents because she/he feels they have a better chance of being suspended/reprimanded themselves for doing so. just another observation.
I might be afraid of the response form the black parent() but I am more afraid of the actions of the white parent(s).
Yes and I left the (s) out of the parenthese…just sayin

Administrator

March 7th, 2012
11:01 am

As a principal of a middle school that is about 50% white and 50% black, it is the reality that black students are placed in ISS or suspended out of school in greater numbers than white students. The infractions which precipitate these consequences are usually fighting, bringing a weapon, or other types of extreme classrom or school disruption. White students are not as overtly aggressive in their misbehavior. White students are more likely to be suspended for bringing drugs, consuming alcohol during lunch, or leaving campus. I find that all students, white or black, love a good food fight

Frankie

March 7th, 2012
11:03 am

so if a kid from a wealthy family gets in trouble and a kid from a poor family gets in trouble for the same incident….the kid from the poor family will always be the one who gets the attention..
WHy get rich dad/mom all worked up after all they pay for a lot of the PTSA events and if we report richy rich, we won’t see any of that money again….

Frankie

March 7th, 2012
11:12 am

I would be interested in seeing the statistics of the charter and private schools since the percentage of black/white/hispanic attendance is reversed. WHat are the infractions and who gets suspended more. I guess you will come back and say all black andhispanics get suspended and not one white student got suspended……

“what is the name on the wing of that new building”

Real American

March 7th, 2012
11:14 am

Unbelievable…i agree with you – but just pointing out stats is not the way to make the point.

...and we wonder why

March 7th, 2012
12:05 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNu-WZdHzaA
This what would you do episode from ABC tells it all. In a park 3 white youths were vandelizing a car and only one passerby called 911. Meanwhile 3 black youths were sleeping in a car at the same time and two 911 calls came in. What is funny, the kids who where sleep were just waiting on their family member who was an actor who played one of 3 black youths vandelizing a car. Of course when the group of black youths vandelized the car, the 911 calls came rolling in.

Look back a few years ago in Johns Creek when 3 white students and 1 asian student broke into over 100 cars, stole items, and sold them on ebay. After becoming a cover story the AJC never followed up on the story and I am sure none of those kids saw a day in jail if they even have a conviction on their record. If I am wrong please post a link where we can see the court dispositions.

skipper

March 7th, 2012
12:40 pm

@and we wonder why;
Look at car-jackings, roberries, etc. You want just the opposite; VERY SELDOM do you hear of a white car-jacker; look at stats. Yeah, the white kids w/the Asian did break into cars. The stats show WAY different. What do you do, find ONE white car-jacker and say “See, everybody does it!”

Dekalbite@Maureen

March 7th, 2012
1:06 pm

““When we add 30% for benefits, the average APS teacher salary is $85,675.93,” said the APS spokesman.”

What are the components that comprise this 30% APS teacher benefits figure?

The main benefits for teachers in APS are just like the rest of the counties in Georgia – TRS contributions and health insurance. TRS is a state mandated contribution called Georgia TRS and so is Georgia State Health Benefits. State health insurance that covers ALL state employees at the same premium rates. Every teacher in Georgia is offered the same plans and premiums as every other teacher in Georgia so the percentage rate of payment is the same from school system to school system. APS does not pay 6% into Social Security like Cobb County (DeKalb doesn’t either). Nor do they pay into a Board funded TSA (Tax Sheltered Annuity – some BOEs elected in the late 1970s to redirect what they were paying into Social Security into a TSA when they suspended Social Security contributions.)

DeKalb Schools pegged their benefit figure for teachers at 20%. See below a link that shows how the interim superintendent for DeKalb County pegged the cost of a teacher INCLUDING benefits at $65,000 for budgetary purposes in 2010. Ms. Tyson clearly used the same information DeKalb had given the Georgia DOE:
http://dekalbschoolwatch.blogspot.com/2011/11/where-have-all-our-teachers-gone.html

What drives this 30% figure in benefits for APS teachers? LOL – does APS put the average cost for heating and cooling for a classroom of children into the benefits figure for teachers?

The APS spokesman gave you a figure of $85,575, yet the average pay for APS teachers is $59,528 according to the information APS gave to the Georgia DOE:
http://archives.gadoe.org/ReportingFW.aspx?PageReq=102&CountyId=761&T=1&FY=2011
(click on Personnel and Fiscal tab)

The figure of $59,528 was given to the state of Georgia by APS. With 30% benefits, that would mean APS teachers average pay including benefits is $77,386, not $85,676 that you were given ($59,528 x 130% = $77,386). Now the figures are extremely off the federal figure of $94,068 originally cited in your article.

The reason it is vitally important to publish the correct figure for APS teacher compensation is that publishing misleading and inflated compensation figures for these teachers leads the public to believe teachers in APS are being compensated beyond their peers and at $94,000 or $85,000 way above what ordinary middle class workers make. And of course, if your article contains incorrect figures, all of your figures are called into question since presumably they come from the same source.

It appears that APS either does not know what the true compensation for APS teachers is or they have given the Georgia DOE incorrect figures. Either way, this is a problem with the public trust and shows that incompetence in financial reporting exists in this school system.

It will be interesting to see if the federal government figure of $94,000+ for APS teacher compensation was derived from the same APS source that now tells you $85,000 and lists an even different figure on the Georgia DOE site.

Thank you for having the journalistic integrity to check the figures you have been given.

Harsh Reality

March 7th, 2012
1:48 pm

My son was viciously attacked at a school function by an African American boy, and when I confronted the boy’s mother (of course, no father to be found), she proceeded to say how sweet her baby was and I was making it up because I was a racist. At school last week, my daughter said her class was interrupted by two African-American males having a knock-down drag-out fight in the middle of class. In another incident at their school, an African American boy threw a brick (don’t ask me how he got a brick!?!) at a Hispanic child and broke a window at the school. This is what happens to boys raised without fathers. When my oldest started defying me and being disrespectful to me, my husband laid down the law in no uncertain terms (and I mean verbally, my children are not spanked) that his behavior was not going to continue. Period. Exclamation point!

Thomas

March 7th, 2012
2:29 pm

As a substitute teacher in an eastside county , I have compiled a list of 29 more than average violent situations I have experienced in classrooms in middle, high and alternative schools in the county. The incidence has increased substantially in the last 12 months . One middle school accounts for 55% of violent situations yet only 20% of my assignments. Of 29 incidences, 27 involved 100% black on black students, 1 was 100%Hispanic on Hispanic and 1 was black on black /white on white The Day I call BloodyThankgiving week So as a percentage 93% black 3% Hispanic and 3%white/Black ..

In New York city Murders have a similar racial distribution with 96% of total murders committed by Blacks and Hispanics.(NEW York Times 2011 Crime Report)

skipper

March 7th, 2012
3:01 pm

@Thomas;
Somebody will come along and argue with you, but you pretty much got it summed up…….

Dunwoody Truth

March 7th, 2012
4:37 pm

Duh? all the black kids and families are presumed guilty before proven innocent….Further, most “gifted”kids aren’t gifted at all, their parents just know how to play the game

bu2

March 7th, 2012
5:52 pm

I think what this article proved is that Arne Duncan (I don’t know whether he’s black or white) must have gotten his degree because of racial preferences. A college graduate should understand that this study is meaningless by itself, yet he acts as if it proves something. Not only are the kids in different schools, different level of gifted/non-gifted and different SES groups as Devil’s Advocate and others have said, but this study only includes big city school districts (50,000 students). In those districts the SES gap is even bigger, as the African Americans tend to be poorer than the average African American and the Anglo students tend to be in upper middle class enclaves and wealthier than the average Anglo.

And the self-fulfilling prophecy as described above, where the African American male “knows” he will be punished more and so escalates things, is his responsibility, not the institution’s. If someone starts yelling at a police officer after a traffic stop and gets in trouble, that’s their own stupidity and I have no sympathy. If the student escalates things, that is his choice.

ScienceTeacher671

March 8th, 2012
5:57 am

I’m interested in the juxtaposition of Mpaza S. Kapembwa’s essay with this study.

What changes would we see in our schools if everyone took Mr. Kapembwa’s advice?

It seems to me that my generation was raised with “Horatio Alger” type stories of poor boys working hard and doing well, and this generation is raised with stories of how and why they are victims and cannot succeed, due to forces beyond their control.

I realize that the Horatio Alger vision is a bit optimistic and there are cultural and other factors that can affect success, but I think that the vision we give our children also matters. If a student begins life and school feeling that the deck is stacked against him, he is liable to lash out at all perceived evidence of that.

There’s also the idea that students who are suspended are more likely to drop out. It seems to me that students who have lower skill levels are both more likely to drop out and more likely to behave in ways that result in suspension (at least in part because they are frustrated with work they cannot do), but maybe that’s a subject for another study?

Dekalbite@ScienceTeacher671

March 8th, 2012
9:00 am

I taught in a feeder school to Cross Keys, the high school Mpaza went to. The feedsr schools and the high school is filled with ESOL students, many Hispanic, African and Asian. That’s why I got certified in ESOL. They are great students to teach. They see learning as a privilege. I had students that lived with 6 people in a two bedroom, one bath. Many had parents who worked two jobs during the week and an extra job on the weekend. The income level of most of the famiies are very low, but one of the main differences I saw was that so many of my ESOL students had both of their biological parents together raising them In those tiny apartments.

Soccermom

March 8th, 2012
10:04 am

“Suspensions are rarely an effective method of behavior management” – for the suspended student but they do a heck of a lot to improve the educational environment of the remaining students in the class!

Dekalbite@Soccer mom

March 8th, 2012
12:01 pm

How very true! Everyone forgets about the other students in the class. My daughter was in Kindergarten with a child who hit other children and used to urinate on himself if the teacher put him in time out. Another one slipped out of the school whenever the teachers’s back was turned and ran out of the school and into the street. I understand they had emotional problems which BTW were not addressed by the school system, but the other 29 students should have had rights as well.

da bear

March 8th, 2012
12:15 pm

The problem is parenting. I have taken up phones from students and had parents show up to school “I’m gonna whip your A, I pay for that phone he/she can use it when they want to.” Wanna bet how well the kids act the rest of the time?

Its also anger control. I have asked a student, alone and quietly to behave better, and been screamed at becuase “Are you saying I ain’t behaved????” I have seen students who are tardy pitch fits because they have to serve detention, or refuse to come and get in school detention, then refuse that and get out of school detention, FOR A TARDY. The parents back this behavior up.

D.L. Chandler

March 8th, 2012
4:21 pm

Interesting to see numbers specific to a region. I’ve pondered one missing angle from the OCR report that I’ve yet hear anyone speak to, and that’s the lingering notion of father absence or poor parenting. I’m interested to know if the survey accounted for single or two-parent homes as part of the overall sample and how those numbers clash with the report. I’m glad to see Get Schooled provided some balance in the report about the reported trouble gap between black and white students. I blogged about it and if you have time, please read and chime if if time permits: http://thefatherfactor.blogspot.com/2012/03/father-absence-and-school-discipline.html

D.L. Chandler

ScienceTeacher671

March 9th, 2012
6:33 am

I would also like to see a study controlled for parent factors. Many high school children who have no active father figure and single mothers of about age 30 (give or take a year, depending on the age of the student) seem to have problems with behavior and self-control.

Long time educator

March 9th, 2012
6:48 am

If you read this blog over time, you would see that the recurring theme from the veteran educators about the problems in education center around parental values, not income and not race. Poor non-English speaking immigrants who teach their children discipline and value education have children who succeed in the public school system. Regardless of race or economic status, parents who do not value education and do not expect their children to respect or obey authority figures, will have children who are unsuccessful in public school. IT IS THAT SIMPLE. Just cut and past this into any topic about student discipline or academic achievement. It applies to them all. The better question is: if this premise is true, what can you do about it that would make a difference to the kids unfortunately born into these “homes”?

bootney farnsworth

March 9th, 2012
7:30 am

what a load.
somewhere, some poor bull just fell over dead

mom3

March 9th, 2012
9:24 am

Perhaps being raised in a household where you are constantly told that you will never succeed because the ‘man’ won’t let you has some affect on these children. Why go to school and behave and TRY, if you believe that it won’t get you anywhere anyway?

If the parents have used this ‘crutch’ all of their lives to explain their failures, I’m sure they will pass it on to their children.

sassyteacher

March 9th, 2012
12:32 pm

I am a public school teacher in a large, metro Atlanta school district and have taught at Title I schools that were majority African-American and Hispanic and at Title I schools that were majority Hispanic, but with 20% African-American and Caucasian students. By far, the worst behaved students have been the African-American students, especially the males. And I am an African-American teacher. I am just calling what I see. African-Americans were only 20% of one the schools’ population where I taught, but they were 100% of all the major discipline referrals to the principal. From what I could see, the Caucasian teachers gave those referral students more opportunities to correct their behaviors than I ever would and again, I am an African-American teacher. The disrespect and anger management of some of our students is baffling. I am not saying, however, that these same issues do not occur in all white student populations and that racism is not the result of a lot these expulsions and suspensions across the county. But like the old saying goes, “where there is smoke, there is fire”. I am a first-hand witness regarding this topic.

skipper

March 9th, 2012
12:45 pm

Go to Macon or Atlanta: look at the crime stats, especially murders/shootings/armed robberies. People can lie, stats cannot. It is obvious that many (certainly not all) but MANY black males are on a dead-end path. Even today, there is a bad drug-deal that went down and someone was killed in Atlanta. “Didrekeus” was the name of the suspect…..what the heck kind of moniker is that, except one that makes identifying the race of the suspect easy! Many showed this behaviour in school. hopefully it will all change, but I personally feel that even with past injustices, etc. that the US. Dept. of Education has acquired some B.S. info…

Karrie

March 9th, 2012
1:01 pm

Maybe instead of the title “Black students more than three times as likely to be suspended or expelled”, they could do a little more research and restate that as “Black students more than three times as likely to do something that results in being suspended or expelled”.

Instead of just looking at numbers and making a claim, do a little more work. It’s like the stories about how the prisons have more blacks so it must be a racist thing … OR, perhaps more blacks commit crimes than whites!

Basing claims on just numbers counted is rediculous. I guess using your logic I can say the NBA is racist because whites only make up less that 10% of the players. Or, i could think about it and realize that maybe there are more blacks that are just better basketball players.

Crazy stories.

Natasha Fabiene

March 9th, 2012
1:33 pm

My son was suspended and had to go to Cour ordered mediation because a child who had been at the school for 2 days (who came from alternative school) smacked a girl on the behind in the cafeteria. My son and the young lady asked him to stop. He assaulted my son by punching him in the face twice and pushing him. My son defended himself by hitting him back and my son was kicked out of school. I think this is a poor message to send children of any race that they can be assaulted and cannot defend themselves because they are in school. I feel he was unjustly punished and I feel like because he is black he was suspended even though he is in the gifted program and has never had any issues at school.

Soccermom

March 9th, 2012
1:46 pm

@Natasha Fabiene – unfortunately the school administrators don’t allow the students to defend themselves, even when attacked. It probably doesn’t have anything to do with your son’s race.
I personally told my children that they had better not instigate a physical altercation but, if someone attacked them, I would make darn sure that they were not punished for defending themselves!

skipper

March 9th, 2012
2:49 pm

Add “Na-Torriocquie” to other wonderful names in the crime watch of Greater Atlanta. And yes, it is relevant. Bill cosby, walter williams and others have pointed out that the nutty “names” (if they can be called that) are just one indication of how far things have gone. I know; Gwynneth named her daughter “Apple” and there are other examples. But go to a high school and see what crazy names folks come up with for no reason and realize….behaviours and lifestyles sometimes mirror the parents. Parents who name a kid “Na-Torriocque” must really be winners…….

Frankie

March 9th, 2012
3:38 pm

@Karrie…Maybe title it;
WHite students less likely to be suspended or expelled, because my parents are white, and will get the Black teacher fired if you think about suspending or expelling him/her.

SEE

March 10th, 2012
3:25 pm

@ Sarah Palin
As a woman, I will say it is NOT easier to be a man in this country than a woman. That is an assumption that I believe (in my “heart of hearts”) is completely false. I teach at a resource school for students that have emotional/behavior problems. In the whole school, we have 4 girls. I don’t want to get on my soap box about the many issues that boys have to deal with in this day and age, but I will say that I believe the reason why most of the students at my school are boys has to do with our society more than anything
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Screwy Puppy

March 10th, 2012
4:55 pm

The stats focus on on such a small sliver of life to present a conclusion. The results are a from many factors.

However, if you want to focus on this small sliver the blame falls on to seniority teachers, else the teachers union, else the federal government.

http://screwypuppy.blogspot.com/2012/03/crappy-idea.html

Ole Guy

March 10th, 2012
5:01 pm

These inflated teacher salaries must include the “bennie package”…free sheets of toilet paper; free sips at the water fountain…and all the nonesense you would ever care to accept with a smile.

Doni

March 12th, 2012
10:42 am

Wow, average teacher salary $94K?? I don’tr think so. Teachers in GA with 25+ years of experience and a doctorate don’t come anywhere close to that number.