I avoid posting a lot of initial reports about educators gone bad — including the recent spate of local stories about educators “assaulting” kids — because the charges are often not substantiated. But I have to offer up this story out of California for discussion for one reason — no student ever reported the alleged abuse, which is shocking once you read the sorts of things this teacher is accused of doing to his students. And photographing the abuse.
I wrote my master’s thesis on child abuse and understand why kids protect their parents but am baffled why no students told their parents about being bound and gagged by their teacher and having cockroaches placed on their faces. When I drive carpool, I hear a litany of so-called teacher transgressions from the kids, along the lines of, “Mrs. X was mean because she wouldn’t give me enough time to finish my paper” or “Mr. Y made us run extra laps in PE because some kids were talking.”
I can’t imagine not a single child alerting their parents to these horrors. Can anyone see their own child failing to report these incidents?
Here is an excerpt from the chilling story on AJC.com:
A Los Angeles elementary school teacher bound and gagged nearly two dozen children, put cockroaches on some of their faces and posed in photos with them, possibly inside a classroom, the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department said Tuesday. The investigation began when a film processor gave authorities some 40 photographs depicting blindfolded children in a classroom with their mouths taped shut.
A sheriff’s department statement said Mark Berndt, 61, was arrested Monday at his Torrance home and remained jailed Tuesday on $2.3 million bail. The district attorney’s office said Berndt has been charged with committing lewd acts with 23 boys and girls ages 7 to 10 between 2008 and 2010.
Berndt worked for more than 30 years at Miramonte Elementary School in an unincorporated area of south Los Angeles before being fired. Some of the photos showed Berndt with his arm around the children or with his hand over their mouths. Other pictures depicted girls with what appears to be a spoon up to their mouths as if they were going to ingest a clear-white liquid. A blue plastic spoon and container found in trash in Berndt’s classroom tested positive for semen, the statement said.
Some of the children’s mouths and faces had large, live Madagascar-type cockroaches on them, according to the statement. “It makes you sick to your stomach,” Los Angeles Unified School District Superintendent John Deasy told KTTV Fox 11 News, which first reported the arrest. The teacher was immediately removed when police informed the district and was fired, Deasy said.
No student ever came forward to report the abuse, he said. The sheriff’s department said a search warrant served on Berndt’s home led to the discovery of more than 100 similar photographs depicting children.
–From Maureen Downey, for the AJC Get Schooled blog
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Boys don't tell
January 31st, 2012
1:09 pm
The principal of my elementary school systematically sexually abused boys including myself for years before he was caught. Of course, that was back in the day when authority figures were in authority. It does seem hard to believe in this day and age. But, look no further than Penn State.
catlady
January 31st, 2012
1:25 pm
IF true, how sick can you be?
Not Hard to Believe from GM
January 31st, 2012
1:26 pm
Maureen, this is absolutely not hard to believe. The children lived in fear. they were afraid of what would happen if they told. this is why my children will go to school with their state of the art cell phone witha robust data, voice and text plan and a state of the art video and audio recording device with instructions to freely capture any dangerous or egregious behavior — with instructions not to report it to the school system but rather to me. If they are too afraid to report it to me, I can always review their images and texts and so on on their phone.
We should have web cams in the school that parents can watch. They should be turned on all the time. It’s this type of abuse i am sure still goes on in schools everywhere because there are perverts out there wanting to harm children. This teacher-pervert obviously got his jollies terrorizing kids. I wouldn’t be surprised if he or she had dead bodies in their basement.
GM
Old timer
January 31st, 2012
1:35 pm
After more than thirty years in the classroom and raising two of my own…..I. Annot imagine children not reporting this! Someone would talk…..
Old timer
January 31st, 2012
1:36 pm
And…if it is true….he should have the same punishment..
Elizabeth
January 31st, 2012
1:43 pm
I find it hard to believe that anyone could be sick enough to do this. I find it even more difficult to fathom that children in this day and age did not report it .As for cameras in the classroom – bring them on.. Parents are welcome to observe my classroom anytime. Just don’t blame me if you do not like what you see. When you discover what really goes on in a classroom and how students behave on a daily basis, you will be outraged– but not with teachers.
Maureen, I need your email. I tried to email you an article, but it came back to me.
carlosgvv
January 31st, 2012
1:44 pm
He must have threatened the students is some way not to tell anyone.
Maureen Downey
January 31st, 2012
1:57 pm
Elizabeth,
mdowney@ajc.com
Batgirl
January 31st, 2012
2:05 pm
I find it hard to believe that this man, if he is as creepy as he’s depicted, was allowed to teach in the same school for over thirty years. We’ve had a couple of skeevy guys through the years at my school (although they were never accused of anything quite so repulsive), and they only lasted a few years before they were sent on their way. However, it required threats from parents to get rid of them. Teacher reports of inappropriate behavior were not enough!
mystery poster
January 31st, 2012
2:18 pm
Consider this my skeptical nature, but something about this just doesn’t add up….
jarvis
January 31st, 2012
2:33 pm
@mystery poster, read the LA Times article. The police found pictures at his house. He is a sick f’er.
mystery poster
January 31st, 2012
2:36 pm
@Jarvis
I guess so….
ELMom
January 31st, 2012
2:50 pm
There are adults that do horribly terifying things to children. Often those children are either too stunned or do not feel empowere enough to say anything. I had a teacher growing up who would lock children in the back of the closet, she would tape their mouths shut and put a large box over their heads so that she and the students in my class could no longer see that child. I had a PE coach who would smack children in the head for the slightest infraction. Did I ever tell my parents? No. Why? Because my parents were always busy. They worked and honestly made it clear that my job was to shut up, go to school and get an education. So I sat silently as did the other children in my classes.
teach1
January 31st, 2012
2:56 pm
The only problem with cameras would be just as the previous poster stated. I do not worry about my action as a teacher but parents amazed at what other students do in the classroom and the privacy issues for all the students. Mom would not only be watching teacher but also 20-30 other little ones and then could report any number of issues to the principal or board. That would get alot of attention I am sure.
mahopinion
January 31st, 2012
2:56 pm
Why are you shocked that the kids didn’t report it? Only a small percentage of sexual abuse is reported each year. Children from the ages of 7-10 are particularly susceptible to being coerced in to silence.
I hope they string this guy up by his privates.
gamom
January 31st, 2012
3:00 pm
I never told my parents til I was an adult that I was slapped for being left handed. This is very common. Abusers know how to intimidate, and the children think its their fault too. No parent should trust their kids with anyone these days. And if you have a gut feeling something is not right, speak up and do something. Now….corporal punishment is still legal in the state of Georgia…there have been several cases now where this leads to abuse, injury and even abuse of a sexual nature. Parents should never consent to corporal punishment in any school district, because you have no clue who these people are what their motives are. And schools have been known to lose the paperwork or ignore it completely. In addition immunity is a problem and is a glaring loophole in the child protection laws in the state of Georgia.
gamom
January 31st, 2012
3:15 pm
Abusers will also prey on the most vulnerable. Were any of these children non-verbal or foster kids? Makes me wonder. There had to be a lot grooming going on..rewards, bribery and threats.. we will never know.
gamom
January 31st, 2012
3:24 pm
It’s not the children who are going to report it if they are scared….it’s the school that has mandated reporters in it. Maybe somebody didn’t do their job. I wonder how long this has been really going on. It’s the other adults in the school and at home who are responsible to do the reporting. I think someone did not do their job.
CT
January 31st, 2012
3:32 pm
If my child came home with a story like this, I would think she was making it up. Maybe the kids did tell their parents, but they weren’t believed. It sounds too outragous to be true.
Ashley
January 31st, 2012
3:48 pm
@ELMom….I can relate to your story, when I was in the 4th grade my teacher required each student in the class to do long division on the blackboard, when it was my turn I got several of the steps wrong, each time my teacher would hit me in the head with one of those long eraser that was full of chalk. Needless to say I was humilated and near tears, alas I didn’t tell my parents because my stepfather who was already abusive would have made it seem like it was my fault. To this day I think back on that horrible ordeal and I realize we lived in a different time where the teacher had all the power and the child had none.Although it was 45 years ago, I remember it like it was yesterday. From that day forward I became a whiz in math and every other subject, because in my young mind kids who were smart or learned at a faster rate, things like getting hit in the head didn’t happen. So yes I can understand why some students kept quiet. On the other hand kids aren’t as passive as we were, so I can’t believe they couldn’t find a single trustworthy adult to report this monster.
Ashley
January 31st, 2012
3:51 pm
@gamom… I shared your experience….I was left-handed also, no slapping just a lot of intimidation to be right-handed.
gamom
January 31st, 2012
4:05 pm
Personally I don’t think schools do enough to get rid of abusive teachers. They brush things under the carpet most times or pass the educator from school to school, or just let them take a leave, or don’t do anything at all. The courts in Georgia don’t do much either…it comes down to the immunity laws. Educator are the ONLY population that can say..sorry, it was ‘discipline’ and get away with what would be considered abuse if a parent did it. The courts’ hands are tied unless the laws are updated, immunity for teachers needs to be strictly limited or none at all (that will never happen because they would all lobby against it)
Inman Park Boy
January 31st, 2012
5:19 pm
In twelve years of schooling in the Atlanta Public School system I had the sweetest, kindest, and warmest teachers imaginable. I have benefited enormously in my life from these remarkable people. Thank you APS. For those of you who had a bad experience in school (or even a criminal experience) I am sorry. I count myself very fortunate indeed.
Csoby
January 31st, 2012
5:27 pm
Ahh…Government Schools at work…
Elizabeth
January 31st, 2012
5:27 pm
Thanks, Maureen1
HS Public Teacher
January 31st, 2012
6:55 pm
I need to point out two important things. However, let me say upfront that what this monster did was wrong.
1. This is one teacher out of tens of millions of teachers across the US. However, because of this one monster’s actions is it right to find fault with the teaching profession? Note the comment at 5:27 by Csoby.
2. Why is it when a teacher turns out to be a monster, it is plastered all over the news? Are you saying that not one medical doctor does anything bad? Are you saying that not one pharmisist does anything bad? What profession is WITHOUT a monster once in a while? Yet, it seems that news media loves to plaster these stories all over.
If the news media feels the need to do this, then they should be required to also plaster the GOOD and the POSITIVE people in the profession at least equally as much and as frequent!
gamom
January 31st, 2012
7:01 pm
HS Teacher – don’t you get it, the system is broken and it takes some sunshine on the subject. Be a part of the solution not a part of the problem. These kids were probably groomed and whatever he was doing he brainwashed them to make ‘em think it was a game. Disturbing Manipulation and NOBODY at the school picked up on it.. For crying out loud the guy was there for decades. I’m guessing this is not much different than Penn State and if you watch the news…there really is a big problem across the country. Where were his superiors. I read in an updated report that these kids were in the ‘poor’ area and couldn’t speak english. This tells you something as well. Perhaps the parents were also afraid to say something IF they knew anything. These animals prey on the most vulnerable and exploit weaknesses. It happens with abusers/victims all the time. It is no surprise to me the kids didn’t report it.
To HS Teacher Good Mom
January 31st, 2012
7:13 pm
HS Teacher you maon and groan that teachers are being unfairly picked on by the media because they reported tihis strory. You feel that teachers are unfairly sought out for ridicule.
Oh please.
Child abuse is big news everywhere because it strikes at the heart of almost all Americans. Almost all adults have children so they are invested in this type of story and of course humans everywhere are interested because the victims are so helpless.
Football is darn near a religion in our society and when a football coach molested kids it was “plastered” everywhere in the news. When a priest molests children it is big news. WHen a parent abuses a child it makes the news. Abuse of children is big news period.
The fact that you want this heinous crime covered up says a great deal about you. You expect people to give you a get out of the news media free card because you are a teacher? You want the crime to be covered up. You sound just like a teacher in the CRCT cheating scandal. Just deny and hide.
Your comments are way off base. The media does everyone a service by reporting and highlighting crime. We as a community need toknow where the dangers are and we are very fortunate that the photo mat clerk reported seeing the nasty pictures of abused children.
You need a reality check, HS Teacher. A criminal is a criminal, regardless of their profession and a criminal who preys on the most vulnerable members of our society deserves a stronger punishment. Let’s throw this teacher in the jail and lock him or her away for good.
teacher&mom
January 31st, 2012
7:14 pm
How does this happen? How can someone take the time to tape a child’s mouth, abuse them, and take pictures without anyone in the building being suspicious?
Obviously he wasn’t the least bit concerned about an administrator, janitor, or fellow teacher stepping into his classroom. One has to wonder what the heck is going on at this school that someone can so openly abuse children.
IT's Semen, not just cockroaches
January 31st, 2012
7:21 pm
Maureen, why didn’t you report the full extent of the abuse? These children weren’t just gagged and had cockroaches on their face..
THEY WERE FED SEMEN! That’s right the pervert fed the kids ejaculate and now the children may have a sexually transmitted disease. This monster deserves to DIE.
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Other pictures depicted girls with what appears to be a spoon up to their mouths as if they were going to ingest a clear-white liquid.
Sheriff’s Lt. Carlos Marquez of the Special Victims Bureau said it was determined the children were given semen on a spoon or on a cookie. A blue plastic spoon and container found in trash in Berndt’s classroom tested positive for semen, the sheriff’s statement said.
None of the photos showed the students actually eating the semen, but Marquez said the children reported they didn’t like the taste.
Authorities are recommending the children be tested for sexually transmitted diseases.
Read more: http://www.kcra.com/news/30340657/detail.html#ixzz1l5Kd1MVx
Fred
January 31st, 2012
7:31 pm
I clicked the link to read the story as reported, but was unwilling to finish it after “Other pictures depicted girls with what appears to be a spoon up to their mouths as if they were going to ingest a clear-white liquid” and the sentence that followed that one………………….
Hanging isn’t good enough……..
Spedteacher
January 31st, 2012
7:33 pm
Good Mom: I understand that this is a horrible crime against children, made worse by the abuser’s position of power. I also understand HS teacher’s comment about only the bad news of education being reported. Can’t the good that schools and the teachers are doing also be reported?
Eric
January 31st, 2012
7:53 pm
I don’t believe this story, and I think bringing it up to the public is stirring up paranoia once again. But if it is true, one incident doesn’t mean it’s happening enough to warrant video and cell phones in the room. Maureen, you’re succession of articles in the past several years has lead to a huge mistrust of teachers and public schools. Would you please move on to some other topic?
Really Amazed
January 31st, 2012
8:11 pm
WOW!!!! Gotta love public run gov’t schools!!! True learning at it’s best!!!!!
Anonmom
January 31st, 2012
8:12 pm
It’s hard to believe but there is probably something there if the police had enough to have a search warrant and found the photos in his house…. they needed probable cause to get the warrant and it’s a weird thing to go public with or to make up if they didn’t really find the photos…. I know people who you would never have believed had chidl porn on their computers and police found porn in similar searchers on the computers. One lesson is you shouldn’t be keeping such photos on your pc.
Gabrielle
January 31st, 2012
8:18 pm
You fail to remember that teachers are often looked up to by the students. For example, can’t we ask the same of the children abused by priests? Did they report it? No. Now that they are grown men they are coming forth. Do not underestimate the power of a teacher over children
catlady
January 31st, 2012
8:20 pm
I can give you 4 cases of kids going home and telling lies about teachers; the adults cleared their names eventually but never recovered–the students were never punished.
Do awful things happen sometimes at school? Yes, for sure. Do awful things happen at home? Yes, quite a bit. You should see the horror that teachers see on a frequent basis, perpetrated by people who “love” the children.
catlady
January 31st, 2012
8:23 pm
IF the person is truly responsible for this behavior, he should be as fully punished as is possible. If not, the same effort should be made to correct the information, and those guilty of lying should be punished severely.
Maureen Downey
January 31st, 2012
9:27 pm
@It’s, I put links to the full stories in the posts with the assumption that people will read the full story. The link is there to the story. You don’t need to add one. It’s all there.
Maureen
Captain Obvious
January 31st, 2012
9:32 pm
More happy teacher stories from the Ida Tarbell of educational reporting!
Dr. Pangloss
January 31st, 2012
10:04 pm
In the late 80s and early 90s we had a spate of day-care center abuse hysteria and Satanic ritual abuse hysteria. Some people’s careers were ruined even though some of the testimony was so fantastic that it couldn’t possibly be true. This might or might not turn out to be a recurrence of the same thing. These days a photograph may prove that something happened, or it may prove that somebody has Photoshop.
Dr. Pangloss
January 31st, 2012
10:07 pm
Really Amazed
January 31st, 2012
8:11 pm
WOW!!!! Gotta love public run gov’t schools!!! True learning at it’s best!!!!!
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Well, I learned the difference between “it’s” and “its” in a public school.
I don’t think there’s any such thing as a public-run school.
Fred
January 31st, 2012
11:43 pm
catlady
January 31st, 2012
8:23 pm
IF the person is truly responsible for this behavior, he should be as fully punished as is possible. If not, the same effort should be made to correct the information, and those guilty of lying should be punished severely.
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Really? Did you REALLY read the article and then type the BS I just read under your handle? You read the part where there are photo’s of little girls drinking “white milky substances” from spoons and then read the part where they said they found spoons with traces of this man’s semen on them? I mean did you READ THIS STUFF DAMMIT?????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I really don’t like you catlady. I feel sorry for your children. I feel sorry for the children who suffer under your teaching. I feel sorry for anyone who comes in daily contact with you. I feel sorry for myself for the taint I bear for reading anything you have ever posted. There is something sick and twisted about you in my most honest opinion. I don’t know what’s wrong with you, why you hate people so much, especially children, but I don;t think you should have any contact with them and think it’s a travesty that you are a teacher.
I’ve read the crap you post for a long time, but you went way far over the line this time. It’s a shame blog posts are anonymous sometimes because I think you are definitely someone who needs to be looked at. If you EVER had any compassion it burned out years ago and you should have quit teaching. I shudder to think how many children you have harmed. I’ll bet you are a Baptist aren’t you?
Fred
January 31st, 2012
11:47 pm
Sorry Maureen. Ban me if you must, but that cold heartless woman crossed over MY line. I have read her evil posts for a while but by god THAT ONE was just too damn much.
And she teaches your children……………..
Fred
January 31st, 2012
11:49 pm
catlady
January 31st, 2012
8:20 pm
I can give you 4 cases of kids going home and telling lies about teachers; the adults cleared their names eventually but never recovered–the students were never punished.
Do awful things happen sometimes at school? Yes, for sure. Do awful things happen at home? Yes, quite a bit. You should see the horror that teachers see on a frequent basis, perpetrated by people who “love” the children.
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Based upon your posts, I’m sure you are an EXPERT on the horrors visited upon children by those who “love them.”
Like I said before...
February 1st, 2012
12:26 am
ROFL@ Fred. “I bet you’re a Baptist, aren’t you?” LOL
Like I said before...
February 1st, 2012
12:31 am
if this teacher is taken out back and shot, there is not a jury in America that will convict.
Wow catlady
February 1st, 2012
2:16 am
I find myself in an awkward position agreeing with Fred. I usually love your posts. I don’t think you read the article either.
Mason Hicks
February 1st, 2012
2:44 am
@Dr Pangloss “These days a photograph may prove that something happened, or it may prove that somebody has Photoshop.”
These photos were discovered in a FILM processing center. Remember those? I use Photoshop everyday at work… It works with DIGITAL imaging… Not with film. One can play tricks with film images; with lighting and exposure effects which would change the appearance of the photo, but not nearly to the extent of changing the subject matter. Even there, the vast majority of film image manipulation is required to be done in the darkroom… This was film right out of the camera…
The truth is that if this guy had just been with the digital age, we still wouldn’t know this was going on…
To SPedteacher from Good Mom
February 1st, 2012
3:34 am
You ask ” Can’t the good that schools and the teachers are doing also be reported?”
Of course. It aleady is. Maureen just ran a piece about the teacher who drove 70 miles a day to buy books for kids that helped to create a judge.
…but that is not what you really mean. What you reallhy mean is that you don’t want anyone posting bad information about a teacher.
The teaching profession is like most — there is bad and good in all professions but what makes this a particularly heinous crime is that the pervert was entrusted to protect the children. Just like a priest, the community and our larger society give up the most precious thing on planet earth to teachers and priests. We hire you to take care of our children so it is particularly outrageous when one of you does such harm. Just like a priest.
If this crime were committed by a homeless drug addict we would still be outraged becaues the victimes are the most helpless.
So for anyone to whiiiiinnnnnnneeeee that poooooor teadhers are being picked on again (dear lord, catlady you make me puke) is to make everyone give up on you.
FOr once, just get over yourselves and admit all teachers are not saints. Stand with the community in their fight against all those who would harm children.
To Catlady from Good Mom
February 1st, 2012
3:40 am
Catlady, you write “I can give you 4 cases of kids going home and telling lies about teachers; the adults cleared their names eventually but never recovered–the students were never punished.”
Catlady, you must be choking on a hairball. Teachers tell lies. 178 teachers at APS lied and lied and lied on those CRCT tests. To date, they haven’t been punished.
Your constant defense of all behavior by all teachers crossed far over the line this time. I will never again have any respect for anything you might say.
To defend a pervert serving up spoonfulls of ejacul%te to children in school is outrageous and suspicious. You are disgusting.
To Eric from Good Mom
February 1st, 2012
3:45 am
ERic, you blamed Maureen for the crimes of a criminal. You wrote “Maureen, you’re succession of articles in the past several years has lead to a huge mistrust of teachers and public schools. Would you please move on to some other topic?”
Maureen’s succession of articles has not led anyone anywhere. The actions of the criminals is what has led the public to distrust. Ninety percent of all AMerican chiildren still go to public schools. So obviously those parents are trusting teachers,
The fact that you want to blame Maureen says alot about you.
To teacher&mom from Good Mom
February 1st, 2012
4:13 am
I agree with you that “Obviously he wasn’t the least bit concerned about an administrator, janitor, or fellow teacher stepping into his classroom. One has to wonder what the heck is going on at this school that someone can so openly abuse children.”
This is what frightens me the most. He clearly had no fear of being caught. Perhaps we shouldn’t ever have classroom doors. Maybe they should all stay open and perhaps we need laws and rules about not isolating teachers. Trailers make heinous crimes easy to hide. They are often parked in back of the school with a long walk to them. It would be very easy to do this crime in a trailer. A trailer is isolated, farther, much farther away from the administrators office and usually one has to walk outside to get to the trailer (no covered walkways).
To get in most school buildings, there is usually a locked door and someone has to look at a camera and buzz you in but almost anyone can walk up to a trailer parked out back. There is no security on the door. Any pervert can walk up to my kid’s class while he/she is in the trailer. Trailers provide no safe shelter during tornados, are fire hazards and now this …easy to perpetuate a crime. Most GA schools have trailers. It is a shame.
GM
Playing a Game from Good Mom
February 1st, 2012
4:45 am
The answer to Maureen’s question of why the students didn’t report it is that the students thought they were playing a game. That was made clear in the full LA times article.
Maureen, if you did your thesis on child abuse, I am very surprised you were surprised the students didn’t tell. They didn’t tell because they didn’t think there was anything to tell. They thought it was a game and of course they wouldn’t complain about that.
When was your research for your thesis, Maureen? I am very surprised you would not know that perverts trick children.
If we all think about it for just a moment…at that tender age we all make up silly unbelievable stories and tell our children. Reindeers fly and tooth fairies and so on. The children believe these stories. They are so innocent. So if it is easy to make a child believe a fat man in a red suit can fly all over the world in an evening delivering billions of presents, it would certainly be easy to tell the children that the white milky substance on the cookie or on the spoon was milk. THe cockraoches might have been a lesson about animals. Perverts use children because they are so naive.
sloboffthestreet
February 1st, 2012
5:50 am
There are some on here that need what is called “A CLUE.” For some strange reason I was under the impression many of you were Highly Educated Professionals. Well, once again I am WRONG. You people cry about anything and everything and even when being given proof you still continue to defend each other which makes me very suspicious of the group as a whole. And yes there are teachers right here in the Great State of Georgia who are abusive and when reported it is simply ignored by administration, BOE’s, local & state, and politicians. It’s amazing you folks whine you don’t have a union? Who needs one with a system like you have? And think of the money you save not having to pay dues! Georgia teachers bring a new meaning to “Right To Work State.”
Catlady, I can smell your litter box from here. I’m afraid just a simply scooping won’t fix the problem this time.
Dr Pangloss wrote,
“Well, I learned the difference between “it’s” and “its” in a public school.
I don’t think there’s any such thing as a public-run school.”
Here, Here. Not in this state there isn’t. They are simply taxpayer funded privately run schools. So yes, you folks are Highly Qualified. The question remains, is it in Education? I think NOT!
ScienceTeacher671
February 1st, 2012
6:03 am
I was nauseated by the story, and can’t believe (1) anyone would do these things, although appears obvious that this man did, (2) that none of the children apparently said anything to anyone, and (3) that no one else in the school had any suspicions that there were odd things going on.
Of course, several parts of the article also raised eyebrows…
At first, neither the parents nor the children believed they had been molested, so there wasn’t much reaction, according to sheriff’s spokesman Steve Whitmore. It was only after the matter of the semen was raised that they became alarmed.
And apparently the children volunteered to participate:
“The reason some of the kids are not his students, per se, is that during the lunch breaks or recess, he’d go out to the playground and entice them back to the classroom,” Marquez said.
“They didn’t know they were being violated in that manner,” he said. “They just thought it was a game.”
sloboffthestreet
February 1st, 2012
6:21 am
Dear MO,
What I don’t read in your “LINK” is that the school system and the authorities had these photos for a year before firing the nice teacher. WHAT?
catlady
February 1st, 2012
6:39 am
To those of you who say “you make me sick,” oh, well. Sometimes trying to be fair to someone who is accused of something, but not convicted, or arguing the opposite, gets you approbation from others.
IF this person did this, he should be put UNDER the jail, AFTER he is convicted.
As to my religious beliefs, NO, I have never been Baptist, or Catholic.
As to my “popularity,” kids and their parents clammor to be in my classes. The kids and their parents come back to see me and thank me. You are off base on this. I am frequently one of a child’s few cheerleaders and advocates.
And, yes, I have seen MANY horrors visited upon kids by their parents or parent’s live in, in the nearly 4 decades as a teacher, starting the first year when a little girl came to school with a handprint on her face. She had walked in on her mother and boyfriend in bed.
teacher&mom
February 1st, 2012
6:51 am
@GM: Cameras are not needed. All that is needed is doors with windows and an administrator who is willing to step outside his/her office and roam the halls.
An easy fix for the MANY problems that ail public education.
catlady
February 1st, 2012
6:54 am
Oh, and did I read the whole thing? No. It makes me sick to be aware of abuse like that described. I was unable to finish it. Our local judges know not to even think of putting me on a jury dealing with child abuse.
sloboffthestreet
February 1st, 2012
7:13 am
What is that awful smell??? AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH,,,,, CATS!!!
sloboffthestreet
February 1st, 2012
7:29 am
Oh teacher mom,
Cameras are needed. The only people who are opposed to the idea are ,,,,,,, TEACHERS! SURPRISE!! Then and only then will real education happen. And yes, we can then go to the video tape for a timely instant replay. Not a year later.
I find the huddled masses commenting on here attempting to defend one of their own the ones who are disgusting. Perhaps you folks can team up with Jessie Ventura and continue his Conspiracy Theories reality tv show. Or you can continue like teacher mom and blame it on administration. Oh no teacher mom. The other faculty members should not be expected to police one of their own?
I still cannot get over the fact they knew about this for a year and continued to allow this “THING” to practice his craft. All you folks who claim he is being falsely accused need help. And lots of it.
Not ABout Gov't Run Schools
February 1st, 2012
7:50 am
And I am the first to criticize the mess that public education is. This is about a sick person who happened to work in a pubic school. Of all of the issues public schools have, this is not one that can be pinned onto them.
Two words: Catholic priests.
sloboffthestreet
February 1st, 2012
8:27 am
The crazy is really coming out now. Catholic Priests?
Anonmom
February 1st, 2012
8:30 am
Y’all need to watch the “Hobart Shakespeareans” — it’s a documentary about a wonderful 4th or 5th grade teacher from south central LA –it depicts the “set up” of the schools in that part of the world — not much going on by way of doors and windows — I think you’ll see why no one saw – that doesn’t mean that there shouldn’t be video cameras in the rooms… it’s also an absolutely amazing story about what can actually be accomplished in the classroom with kids who don’t even speak English as their native language with a classroom stuffed to the gills. You should also get John Taylor Gatto’s books. I’ve started to read “Mass Weapons of Instruction” –it’s quite eye opening. I think you may start to re-think and question why, as a society, we do what we do. He taught in the NYC schools for 30 years — he resigned in the “Wall Street Journal” in an op ed piece. It’s very well researched and footnoted.
Anonmom
February 1st, 2012
8:34 am
Also, “The Freedom Writers” is a movie about a South Central LA high school — it’s very well done, based on the true story of a “newbie” idealistic and very intelligent English teacher who bucks the system. It’s received a lot of attention and is worth watching but won’t give you as much of the flavor for the elementary school setups in South Central LA (concrete buildings, doors opening to courtyards, that have no grass and no windows, individual rooms on outside hallways, etc.– my recollection from watching Hobart… like a lot of Miami schools .. they are not like ours, where they are inside a big building with rooms off of hallways).
teacher&mom
February 1st, 2012
8:48 am
@slob— stop and think for a moment….we placed cameras on buses to crack down on bullying and discipline, Did it improve conditions on the bus? Temporarily. Then the kids realized that no one checks the videos every single day. Eventually the threat of being caught on the camera wasn’t a real threat. Then the cameras begin to break and the money to replace them disappeared.
I’m not protecting the profession and I’m not opposed to the idea of cameras. I just think it will cost a ridiculous amount of money that can be accomplished by FREQUENT drop-in visits from the administration, lead teachers, etc.
Food for thought…if cameras are going to be effective, then someone would need to either sit in a control room every day monitoring every single classroom or review every single video at the end of the day. Is this efficient?
Frequent visits to the classroom would take care of many issues.
Catlady love from GM
February 1st, 2012
9:07 am
catlady, you claim your students love you and you claim their parents do too. that is not a sign that you are a good, honest person or a good teacher.
If you bothered to read the story you would know that this 30 year “teacher” was very well loved by both students and parents. He was often invited to the homes of the students — by their parents.
The teaching profession is not only not immune to pedophiles –it has more of them than other professions. Pedophiles seek out opportunities to be around children so they have a big pool of victims to choose from. This sicko you defend lived a couple blocks from the school and the park, where children are. Sandusky the rapist lived literally across the street from an elementary school and became the leader of a charity for disadvantaged children. It was his strategy to keep a nice flow of new victims handy.
So, telling us, catlady, that children and parents “love” you does not mean a darn thing. This pervert’s students and parents loved him too. You admit you haven’t read the story but you immediately rush to defend the pervert. You admit you don’t have the facts but you rush to defend the pervert. Protecting your own is more important to you and that is a huge red warning flag for everyone. You put yourself under suspicion when you rush to defend without the facts.
Because you are too busy to read, here are the facts:
The pictures were on film, which cann’t be retouched. A clerk at a photomat reported the pictures to police.
The pictures show the children with a spoon held to their lips as if they are about to drink the clear, white liquid.
The spoon in the photo was found by police in the trash with semen on it. The DNA test proved it was this pervert’s sperm.
There are more than 400 photographs of children in these positions and with cockroaches on their faces and being bound and gagged. The photos show the events happened in his classroom.
OK, now catlady, now do you believe? What other proof do you need? You say IF he committted the crime. IF? IF?
Will you admit it now that he is guilty? or will you continually defend this pervert simply for the fact that he is a “teacher’”?
sloboffthestreet
February 1st, 2012
9:17 am
Hey teacher mom,
Cameras on the bus would be much more effective if they were made public when a parent request to see the video tape. Also classroom cameras and live feed would cost no more than your pro board. We already pay for the internet feed. You won’t need anyone to monitor the feed. There are these new-fangled things called parents. Just think. You will be famous! And we can call it,,,,,,, Infinite Campus. What a great idea! And that dear teacher would take care of many if not all issues!!! Let’s Go To The Video Tape! Better yet. Let’s watch it live in living color.
sloboffthestreet
February 1st, 2012
9:23 am
The beauty of having cameras in the classroom is we as parents would be able to monitor your classroom like many of you monitor this blog instead of using your time during the school day doing what you claim you have no time to do. Ahh, by the way, that would be teaching our children in case someone out there didn’t realize what I just said.
WAR
February 1st, 2012
9:50 am
can someone please end his existence on earth. if i had the chance i would do it freely and willingly. no court in America would charge anyone with a crime.
WAR
February 1st, 2012
9:52 am
cameras in the class? get out of here with that jive. parents really dont want to see how their children behave. besides, they wouldnt believe it anyway and somehow blame the teacher for the childs behavior.
To War from GM
February 1st, 2012
10:02 am
War, the cameras aren’t proposed to find instances of naughty children. The proposed cameras are there to protect children from dangerous predators.
I agree with slob. Live feeds are easy to use. I even have another instance of IE open as I type this — where I can watch a live video feed from the zoo — the panda cam. My friend watches a live feed at work of his home — a security camera feed. It stays open all the time so that he can watch his home while he travels.
Slob is right. We don’t need to hire anyone to watch the video. We parents can do it ourselves.
Misbehaving children is not the purpose of the cameras, War, catching real crimes is the purpose. If cameras were in the classroom and hallways this pervert would not have been able to feed semen to kids and those boys would not have been able to rape the special needs teenager.
not the real sloboffthestreet
February 1st, 2012
10:07 am
I love the idea of cameras in the classroom. I can watch children from the start of classes on the East coast to the end of classes on the West coast.
Totally for their safety, of course.
maureen downey
February 1st, 2012
10:52 am
Hey Maureen,
What is with people being able to post using other peoples handle. This would be in reference to the 10:07 AM post that I didn’t write or post?
HS Public Teacher
February 1st, 2012
11:02 am
A dentist fondles a child while the child is under gas. This dentist feeds the child ejaculate. This dentist does this to multiple children. This dentist has been in practice for 30 years.
Are all dentists doomed? Is the dentist profession “broken”? Do you advocate that all dentists should now go through some extra step for whatever? Do you advocate that all dentists should be jailed?
No one, NO ONE, is saying that this monster should be protected. No one, NO ONE, is saying that all teachers are saints. No one, NO ONE, is whining that teachers are perfect.
This is a monster. This is an individual. This individual should be punished accordingly.
Should the administrators have caught this early on? Probably. So, I would suggest that the “fault of the system” falls into the administrators lap.
However, if you are unaware, whenever administrators are asked to do anything, they simply pass the buck and make teachers do it. So, this would end up being another responsibility for a classroom teacher to do rather than to focus on teaching contect to the students.
HS Public Teacher
February 1st, 2012
11:08 am
Regarding cameras in the classroom….
I love the idea! Rather than just the “live feed” that is mentioned, I want to record everything. In fact, I have been known to do this regularly (not every day) in my classes – sometimes with the kids knowing and sometimes without their knowing (yes, it is legal).
I use this to show parents when they come and meet with me. Sometimes, I show them how great their kid is…. how they participate in class, ask good questions, and so on. Sometimes, I should them when their kids aren’t so great. Maybe the mother refuses to think that her son would hit a girl. So, I click on “play” and show the mom.
I have no problem with cameras in the classroom at all.
Maureen Downey
February 1st, 2012
11:08 am
@to not the real maureen, See my edit of that poster, who is now in moderation.
Maureen
not the real sloboffthestreet
February 1st, 2012
11:17 am
If there are cameras in school, I can watch the children closely to see who needs extra ‘help’ after school.
gamom
February 1st, 2012
11:39 am
To the teachers who are wondering why this is reported. This is a matter of public record. You are teachers paid by tax dollars. These kind of abuses need exposure. You people are mandated reporters and your profession seems to attract an awful lot of pedophiles, along with the priesthood, college coaches, etc. They all need to be plastered all over the news, no one is singling you out. Please get over yourselves and be part of the solution not part of the problem. You want the news to go away – clean up your own profession, then. And you wonder why there is negative backlash, it’s because of comments made by educators on these and other blogs.
To HS Teacher from GOod Mom
February 1st, 2012
11:49 am
You say “No one, NO ONE, is saying that this monster should be protected. No one, NO ONE, is saying that all teachers are saints. No one, NO ONE, is whining that teachers are perfect.”
Catlady does. Read her posts. Without bothering to read the news story, she rushed to the defense of the pedophile, simply because he was a teacher.
When the facts proved absolutley conclusive tht the pervert did the crime (DNA analysis on the semen in the cup in the classroom proved was his), she still defended him and refused to admit he was guilty.
For every negative story about a teacher, she rushes to defend. She often bashes parents though.
So YES catlady is protecting the monster and the foul odor in her kitty litter is making most of us pretty sick.
HS Public Teacher
February 1st, 2012
12:19 pm
@gamom
You state: “This is a matter of public record. You are teachers paid by tax dollars. These kind of abuses need exposure.” Agree, agree, and agree.
You state: “You people are mandated reporters and your profession seems to attract an awful lot of pedophiles, along with the priesthood, college coaches, etc.” MAJOR disagree!!! If you look at the percentage of ‘monsters’ in teaching, I would bet it is far less than in many many other professions. Remember that there are likely MILLIONS of teachers in the nation.
I can understand WHY you would be so mis-informed. And, it is BECAUSE these few are in the news continuously (I’m sure we’ll hear about this one instance for months). So, you THINK that there are many teachers like this. But, it is not true. And, THIS is what is upsetting – that the news makes it appear as though it is widespread in the profession – and it is not.
You state: “Please get over yourselves and be part of the solution not part of the problem. You want the news to go away – clean up your own profession, then.”
Excuse me? Why the attitude from YOU? You are misinformed about the problem. The problem is NOT teaching. The problem is the monster. Get it? I doubt it.
You state: “And you wonder why there is negative backlash, it’s because of comments made by educators on these and other blogs.”
Again, excuse me? The ‘backlash’ as you put it is only a result of people like you that don’t understand the problem. If you would please first understand things, find out facts, and try a little cognitive processing before lashing out at teachers, maybe, just maybe, you will find a better response!
To HS Public Teacher
February 1st, 2012
12:22 pm
The teaching profession does have more pedophiles than other professions. Pedophiles seek out jobs that put them in a position of close proximity to children. Pedophiles also choose to live very near schools and public parks for that very reason.
HS Public Teacher
February 1st, 2012
12:41 pm
@To HS Public Teacher -
I challenge you to prove it. I do not believe for one second that the percentages of pedophiles in teaching is any greater (and I think far less) than other professions.
I agree that they may physically want to be near their victims such as chosing to visit parks or live near schools. However, keep in mind that to become a teacher does required college education and other vetting. That does make a difference.
gamom
February 1st, 2012
12:58 pm
Pedophiles are attracted th where hildren are. hs school teacher…you happen to be wrong here. what proof do you want…studies…i am sure there are those. Parents should never trust anyone with their kids…teacher…doctor..priest…it doesnt matter. I trust almost no one with my kids
bootney farnsworth
February 1st, 2012
1:18 pm
its actually -sadly- easy to understand.
pedophiles excel in shaming their victims to be quiet.
they are profoundly skilled manipulators.
if this pans out to be true, just turn the animal over to
the parents in a closed gym. send crew in to sweep up remains
in the morning. and hope he lingered in pain for a long time
To HS Teacher from Good Mom
February 1st, 2012
1:22 pm
You write “However, keep in mind that to become a teacher does required college education and other vetting. That does make a difference.”
If the vetting does so well, then how did this 30 year teacher feed semen to more than 400 kids?
You also assume that pedophiles must not be smart because teachers must have a college degree. Intelligence is not a barrier to pedophilia. Intelligent people in the book smart sense does not prevent pedophilia and let’s face it, the education major is an easy one to complete.
It’ downright weird that you agree pedophilies move to be close to children as in close proximity to schools and parks but you disagree they would become teachers in order to more easily perpetuate their crimes. It’s true. The same is true for volunteer opportunities. Those volunteer jobs that put adults in close proximity to children are also sought after by pedophiles. For example, the scouts, day care workers, recreation center staff and so on.
Let your fingers be your friend and google them up yourself.
From the Associated Press from Good Mom
February 1st, 2012
1:31 pm
HS Teacher, you wanted your proof. Here it is from the Associated Press:
Link: Source: http://www.allbusiness.com/legal/trial-procedure-statute-limitations/8921607-1.html#ixzz1l9jzDqdx
text:
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A recent investigation by the Associated Press found that sexual abuse of students by the nation’s teachers is rampant – yet criminal and civil sanctions to punish this behavior are spotty at best.
Over a five-year period, the AP found more than 2,500 educators whose teaching credentials were revoked or surrendered for student abuse, and found that about half of them were also convicted of crimes related to their misconduct.
The investigation concluded that these numbers may be just the tip of the iceberg, noting that school administrators “make behind- the-scenes deals to avoid lawsuits and other trouble” and lawmakers shy away from tough punishments on the state or federal level for fear of disparaging a vital profession.
The result is that many offenders move from district to district and repeat their offenses – a scenario similar to the priest sexual abuse scandal that has plagued the Catholic Church for nearly a decade.
But the lawyers who represent sexually abused children and their families in litigation against teachers say the AP revelations are nothing new.
“The reason pedophiles want to teach or coach is: That’s where the kids are,” said Jeffrey R. Dion, a lawyer who is director of the National Crime Victim Bar Association (NCVBA) in Washington, D.C., an organization devoted to increasing awareness about civil remedies for crime victims. “It’s always been like that.”
Roxanne Conlin, a plaintiffs’ lawyer in Des Moines, Iowa, who has who has handled many of these cases, agreed.
“I’ve read dozens of articles [about teachers sexually abusing students] over the years and I always think someone will take action,” she said. “And it never happens. We’re a society that says we value children, but we don’t.”
Lawyers say litigation against teachers and school districts is difficult for a variety of reasons. The perpetrators themselves seldom have deep pockets, school districts are usually protected by sovereign immunity and strict damage caps, and statutes of limitations disqualify many potential cases.
The Crime Victims Bar tries to monitor litigation, although Dion said it’s impossible to keep statistics on cases filed. But he said there have been 191 appellate decisions involving allegations of child sexual abuse in schools.
The vast majority of these cases settle. But Conlin won a $20,000 verdict in 2005 against the Cedar Rapids, Iowa, school district for failing to protect a fifth grader, Jennah Branmow, from Gary C. Lindsey, who allegedly fondled the girl’s breasts.
The trial revealed that Lindsey’s behavior was nothing new. Thirty-one years earlier, Lindsey had been forced to quit his first teaching job in Oelwein, Iowa, for the same activity. He then moved on to a series of other schools.
The Bramows appealed the $20,000 verdict, contending that the trial court erred in excluding the testimony of a police forensic investigator who had interviewed the girl. The Iowa Court of Appeals, however, let the verdict stand (Bramow v. Cedar Rapids Community School District, No. 5-439/04-1118).
The Bramows reached a confidential settlement with Lindsey prior to the trial.
Dealing with denial
William Friedlander of Ithaca, N.Y., said he tries to bring teacher sex abuse cases in federal court in order to get them out of the local community. Teacher perpetrators are often very popular, he said, and people in the community often find it difficult to believe allegations against them.
As an example, he described a case that he brought against a popular math teacher and coach, Gary Serlo, on behalf of two boys who said they’d been abused by him.
Serlo was widely admired, and had been chosen by students and faculty as “teacher of the year.” But Friedlander said the admiration was not universal. His two clients and several other students complained of Serlo’s behavior and actions. In class, he fondled their backs and found reasons to reach for items so that he would rub against them. He grew more aggressive and began surreptitiously reaching into their pants.
Then he took one of the boys onto his boat and forced him to perform oral sex. The boy told his grandmother, who came to the school in a fit of rage, Friedlander said. The school looked into Serlo’s background, apparently for the first time, and saw that 24 years earlier – as a teacher in Pennsylvania – he’d served six months in prison when he was convicted on charges of attempted deviate sexual intercourse with eight named students.
Serlo was charged and convicted and is back in prison.
But the families also filed a Title IX suit in federal court. Both Serlo and the school district were named as defendants, and the claims included negligent hiring and negligent supervision.
“It’s very tricky handling these cases,” said Friedlander. “These kids need counseling and a lot of kids don’t want to do it because it’s traumatic. When you’re dealing with adolescents, it can just be very, very hard.”
So when the school district offered a confidential settlement, his clients accepted.
While Friedlander can’t talk about the case in any detail, he does talk about the events that led to the lawsuit and the criminal conviction.
“They had no policy, no training for anyone to recognize sexual abuse,” he said. “In depositions, teachers said they didn’t know what to do.”
In the wake of the lawsuit and criminal trial, the district now has a policy in place – and New York State now requires schools to conduct background checks on teachers they’re considering hiring.
Tips for plaintiffs’ lawyers
“These cases are very difficult,” Conlin said. “They require the ability to investigate independently, [because] the records will be incomplete and the people who know will be gone.”
Lawyers must also deal with federal school privacy laws that prohibit the release of personal information about students without the consent of parents or guardians.
Conlin said perpetrators are often difficult to corner and are skilled at talking their victims into secrecy.
“Most teacher pedophiles are very kind [to their victims],” she said. “They don’t threaten. They say, ‘This is our little secret.’”
Dion agreed. “It’s not something where a stranger jumps out of the bushes and grabs a kid,” he said. “They groom their victims over a long period of time. They tend to find victims whose credentials can be undermined. They pick kids from troubled homes, kids with behavioral problems.”
Before taking these cases, lawyers should conduct an “environmental scan” of the school where the alleged incidents occurred, suggested Mary Jo McGrath, a plaintiffs’ attorney with experience in sexual abuse cases and the founder of McGrath Systems, an educational consulting company in Santa Barbara, Calif.
The first indication of an abusive teacher typically comes in the form of rumors among students, said McGrath. Adults have a tendency to discount talk among schoolchildren, but “in 30 years of doing these cases, I can tell you that I’ve never heard a false rumor. Students know what’s going on.”
The first step for an investigating lawyer, therefore, is the student interview. Most students will be hesitant to share the information with adult authority figures, “but if you get them in the right environment, they’ll open up.”
“I tell them the reason I’m talking to them is to check on how school is going for them,” she said.
“But you don’t want to plant ideas, or use leading questions,” she said. “The interviews need to be well crafted. When they are, it’s amazing what comes out.”
It is also common for victims to come forward years – sometimes decades – later. Dion said the single biggest impediment to bringing civil actions for teacher sexual abuse is the statute of limitations. In most states, cases must be brought within two or three years of the incident. However, he pointed out, three states – Alaska, Delaware and Maine – have eliminated statutes of limitations for sex-abuse cases involving children.
He also said that some states have modified the law to adopt the concept of “delayed accrual.” These states allow individuals to claim a “point of awareness,” when they realize after the fact that they have been injured.
Another impediment for plaintiffs’ lawyers is sovereign immunity, which varies widely across the country. But Dion said lawyers should be aware that sovereign immunity doesn’t automatically preclude a claim. Sometimes, he said, school personnel can be named individually as defendants.
For instance, in 2000 the father of an abused South Carolina boy won a $105 million jury verdict for the emotional injuries that he suffered in learning of his son’s abuse. (”Father breaks new ground suing for sexual abuse of son,” Lawyers USA, Jan. 8, 2001. Search terms for Lawyers USA Archives: Meyers and Flowers).
In that case, a private school was held liable for only $250,000 because of the state’s charitable immunity statute, but two individual defendants were covered under the school’s insurance policy, each with $2-million limits.
“It takes creative litigation to figure out ways to get around some of the sovereign immunity issues to get justice for these victims,” Dion said. “It’s difficult, but it can be done.”
An ounce of prevention
“With a minimum amount of effort, [these suits can be] avoided,” said William Friedlander, an Ithaca, N.Y. lawyer who won a confidential settlement in a suit against teacher and school district.
Attorney Mary Jo McGrath, founder of McGrath Systems, a Santa Barbara, Calif., educational consulting company, said this holds true for any litigation against a school district. After many years as a plaintiffs’ lawyer, she now devotes much of her time to conducting training sessions for schools on how to avoid being sued for teacher sexual abuse.
A good anti-abuse, anti-harassment policy, she said, contains three tiers:
1. Awareness.
School personnel need to be made alert to “warning signs.” This includes teachers who are seen to be spending too much time with individual students.
“It also means recognizing what I call ‘boundary violations,’ like sitting too close, moving in too close, looking too closely into a student’s eyes,” said McGrath.
2. Intervention and complaint management.
People need to recognize what McGrath calls “the ‘Ick!’ factor” – reports that might not rise to the level of abuse but are nevertheless troubling.
3. Investigation by professionals.
gamom
February 1st, 2012
2:35 pm
Bravo good mom.
HS Public Teacher
February 1st, 2012
3:58 pm
@ga mom – Bite me.
HS Public Teacher
February 1st, 2012
4:01 pm
@ Good mom-
First, your article is not from the Associate Press. It is an opinion piece from an online magazine – hardly reputable.
Second, the only data given in your article is from an AP research piece. The article simple gives the number of 2500 teachers lost their certification. The article fails to mention if this is for a year, for 5 years, or for the history of manking – kinda makes a difference!
So, fine. Let’s say that it is for one year. And, there are millions of teachers in the US. I don’t know the exact number, but let’s say 3 million. That would mean that 0.08% of the teachers lost their certification. Do you really think that is a large percentage? Really?
And, do you think that the percentage of “monsters” is larger or smaller in the priesthood? Do you think it is larger or smaller than other professions?
I grow tired of battling wits with the unarmed.
HS Public Teacher
February 1st, 2012
4:02 pm
@ Good Mom.
First, your article is not from the Associated Press. It is an opinion piece from an online magazine – hardly reputable.
HS Public Teacher
February 1st, 2012
4:02 pm
Well, I have tried to respond to Good mom, but keep getting caught in filter.
sloboffthestreet
February 1st, 2012
4:03 pm
To: not the real sloboffthestreet
I’m certain you are not a real anything. People who are against such a thing as cameras in their classroom are most likely to be the ones that have secrets to hide from parents & administration. As for you watching children closely and providing after school help? This I have got to see!!!
Maureen, Is Moderation like Time Out?
sloboffthestreet
February 1st, 2012
4:05 pm
Maureen,
HS Public Teacher isn’t playing nice. Perhaps you could take away their sandbox playtime?
Maureen Downey
February 1st, 2012
4:06 pm
@Slob, the original one: Moderation is more akin to out-of-school suspension.
Maureen
Prof
February 1st, 2012
4:11 pm
In support of poor catlady—Please remember that in our court of law, the accused is presumed innocent until proven guilty.
I will also say that I have always regarded catlady’s posts as sensible and wise, and often warm-hearted.
gamom
February 1st, 2012
4:31 pm
HS teacher – if I am to understand your posting..you say that a college degree and other vetting might make a difference – abusers come from ALL walks of life. College Degree, no degree, it simply does not matter. Abusers are often ‘well liked’, respected, even revered, that’s how they ingratiate themselves to the families of victims. And masters at manipulation…if these kids were blind folded and rewarded for this game….this is perfectly reasonable why the kids didn’t report it. My question is …where was the administration? Is anyone watching these sickos.. Come On..this clown worked for 30 years and no one raised a question — especially the adults who are working at the school? ! Lots of questions here.. similar to Penn State. Makes me wonder how many other victims there are. It seems to me that a lot of educators don’t realize they are mandated reporters, and if they don’t report a suspicion, they are definitely part of the problem. And for your ‘bite me’ comment….WOW, enough said.
gamom
February 1st, 2012
4:32 pm
Yes the associated press did do a very indepth investigative report couple years ago. Google is your friend
Mahopinion
February 1st, 2012
4:35 pm
To cat lady and others defending this POS teacher.
Give me one good reason a cup and spoon in the classroom trash should test positive for semen. Just ONE good reason.
Anyone?
Prof
February 1st, 2012
5:01 pm
I am not defending this teacher at all, and I don’t think catlady is either (though I know she can speak for herself). I’m arguing that ultimately guilt is something to be determined in a court of law. It is the cornerstone of our justice system that the accused are to be considered innocent until proven otherwise. And I gather that this case has been tried in court yet.
Prof
February 1st, 2012
5:03 pm
Correction * this case has NOT been tried in court yet.*
gamom
February 1st, 2012
5:42 pm
AP: Sexual Misconduct Plagues US Schools
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21392345/ns/us_news-education/t/ap-sexual-misconduct-plagues-us-schools/#.Tym_YoF22uI
mystery poster
February 1st, 2012
5:50 pm
@Prof
“In support of poor catlady—Please remember that in our court of law, the accused is presumed innocent until proven guilty.
I will also say that I have always regarded catlady’s posts as sensible and wise, and often warm-hearted.”
Agreed…
Another Math Teacher
February 1st, 2012
5:54 pm
Mahopinion : “To cat lady and others defending this POS teacher.”
To Mahopinion and others who wish to hang him before trial…why do you hate the fifth amendment?
“…nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law…”
Conviction in the court of public opinion does not matter. I have not seen one post here defending him or his actions. I have seen people say convict him first then hang him.
For the people attacking someone for saying IF (in reference to his possible guilt,)…you need to see a proctologist about possible brain damage.
To Prof from Good Mom
February 1st, 2012
6:48 pm
Prof, we all understand that “And I gather that this case has been tried in court yet.”
Everyone on the blog I am absolutely sure understands it. The outrage is over catlady’s knee jerk defense of a pedophile. Her default setting is that regardless of the evidence or the crime, she will defend anyone for any reason simply because they are a teacher.
In this case, the evidence is overwhelming. They found his cup and spoon, pictured in the photographs in the garbage can in the classroom. The DNA of the sperm in the cup proved to be his own. He had 390 photographs of children either bound and gagged with mouths taped shut with cockroaches or had pictures of teh children being fed sperm.
The evidence is so overwhelming that no one could deny the pervert’s innocence. Yet, catlady, who admits not even reading the story, rushes to this perv’s defense.
The outrage is understandable and inevitable and certainly justified We don’t need a lesson in very basic law. We get it. We just believe catlady has had way too much of her own teacher catnip.
HS Teach Good Mom
February 1st, 2012
6:56 pm
You claim you don’t want to “battle wits with the unarmed” but your best response to GAMOM is
“bite me”?
ha ha ha.
I’m sure you need a better arsenal for your war chest full of “wit”
because your “bite me” comment is like throwing water balloons at people with uzis.
Come ahhhn, you can do better than that.
and it looks like denial is not just a river in Egypt. When faced with a credible story, you put it down as an online nothing. You don’t even know who the Associated Press is.
Good Lord, what do read at your home, the Enquirer?
gamom
February 1st, 2012
6:59 pm
BTW, the U.S. Dept of Ed also did a study on teacher sexual misconduct. It’s on their website too, I believe published back in 2004.
sloboffthestreet
February 1st, 2012
7:54 pm
Prof
I think catlady might be on a time out right now. You may have to speak for her after all! Have at it!!!
sloboffthestreet
February 1st, 2012
8:04 pm
Another Math Teacher
There is no “IF”. What there was continued during a year long investigation with no information being provided to parents of the students who YOU allege were abused. Your “IF” if you will. There are times when our legal system and constitution provide proper protection to the citizens of America. Then there are times when a year long investigation is continued because of the occupation of the criminal. It reminds me of the young lady who was deemed by a court of law to be “To Pretty To Go To Jail.” And you folks whine you have no union?
sloboffthestreet
February 1st, 2012
8:11 pm
Another Math Teacher
Oh dear, I forgot to ask you, who do you see for your mental illness. One never knows when they will require the services of a good proctologist. We all want to be seen by the best!
sloboffthestreet
February 1st, 2012
8:12 pm
Here Kitty, Kitty, Kitty!
ScienceTeacher671
February 1st, 2012
8:31 pm
I agree with Prof & Mystery Poster – IMHO catlady’s posts are among the most consistently reasonable and well-informed on this blog.
@sloboffthestreet – a few years ago, the teachers at my school requested cameras in our classrooms that could be viewed over the internet by parents. We were told by the county office people that having such cameras would be a violation of the privacy of our minor students, and that there was some worry that pedophiles, stalkers, etc. might watch such videos.
Anyway, YMMV, but at our school it wasn’t the teachers but the legal types at the board office who had a problem.
sloboffthestreet
February 2nd, 2012
5:36 am
SC671
Of course you were told by your local county office people as you like to call them that they do not want cameras in the classroom. I just love the way you try and distance yourself from your friends in the central office like they are a separate entity. I’m going out on a limb here but perhaps you were told as a young child that there was a Santa Clause also. So please try and use some common sense when being told something is a fact. The legal avenue is a wonderful excuse but you should be aware that with Infinite Campus, parents must register and sign in with a password to access the system. The same would hold true for cameras in the classroom. Funny how parents are asked for their autograph every year so that the school system may use photos of our children in any manner they see fit for school publications. Where is the big stalker/pedophile concern there? They even have password protected video feeds at hospital nurseries so family can view the newest member of their clan. So please approach your central office people once again and request you and your fellow educators would like to have video feeds of your classrooms made available to parents ASAP. It pleases me that all the teachers where you teach had no problem with classroom cameras. Make it so number 1.
YMMV? I don’t think so. It does seem to improve going downhill as opposed to going uphill though. But when I divide the gallons used into the miles traveled it always comes out the same. Something about being a creature of habit I suppose. Then there is the old “What goes up must come down.” You figure it out. You’re the Science Teacher, not me.
HS Public Teacher
February 2nd, 2012
12:30 pm
gamom and “Good” Mom….
First, the “bite me” comment was a result of the gamom comment commending GoodMom. gamom obviously did not even read the GoodMom comment but rather praised GoodMom simply because the posting was contrary to my position.
Good Mom – that so-called article you linked AND posted the text (both are not needed), only had one number/data point. As I mentioned your article was not from the AP but rather an opinion piece from an online mag. That one number was that 2500 teachers lost their certification. They did not say if this was for one year, five years, or for an eternity.
Also, considering that there are millions of teachers in the US, that number is rather small. I don’t know the exact number, but let’s say 3 million. And, let’s assume that the 2500 was for one year. That is a percentage of 0.8%….. hardly a large percentage.
I would wager that this percentage is either in line with or even lower than most professions (especially the Priesthood).
Do the math.
HS Public Teacher
February 2nd, 2012
12:44 pm
@Prof, Science Teacher, and others of like mind.
We need to keep in mind that most of these posters really don’t know education. What they know is simply what they might recall from their k-12 education.
Also, they seem to be overly emotional rather than reasonable and logical. They respond to Maureen’s initial blog with emotion rather than logic.
Finally, I’ve noticed that most of them also have pre-determined opinions based on what they don’t know and are steadfast without wanting to hear other sides or consider any facts. They are quick to search for and find any base-less publication to support their opinions and use it to justify what they think.
Prof
February 2nd, 2012
1:24 pm
@ HS Public Teacher, February 2nd, 12:44 pm.
They also trashed catlady for reminding all that this teacher has only been accused, not proved to be guilty. Her reminder that IF this person is found guilty, THEN he deserves to be punished was taken as a sign that she supported teachers no matter what they do. The ensuing barrage of hate-filled posts directed specifically at her seemed like lynch law working to me.
sloboffthestreet
February 2nd, 2012
2:49 pm
HS Public Teacher & Friends
You who teach and continue to want to advocate for this ex teacher claiming he has rights and has only been accused show very poor judgement. Being aware that the investigation went on for one year and his bail is set at $23 million, it should be obvious even to the people who are so superior to the rest of us knowing things about education that we would never be privy to, that the trial will be no more than a formality. Case closed. I would think people being so highly educated would be just a little more careful about the fights they pick. I say it was you the teachers who hold the same title as this man accused of such horrific acts that are being emotional. You wish to defend this man hoping the claim is false keeping the good name of your profession something to be proud of. This I understand but please remember what this man did is not a reflection of your work. It is a revelation to us all that this kind of evil is out there and no one is above suspicion. Remember this man taught for 30 years. He was respected and welcomed into many students homes. It appears to myself that he was given special treatment being an educator. This is what perhaps many find so outrageous. Poor judgement by administration as well as law enforcement was shown to allow this man to walk the streets for one year not knowing if he continued this behavior outside the classroom also. The latest is that he was accused in the 90’s of fondling a young student. The school system has no record of the accusation. That fact alone should trouble even you. No matter how many or how few abuse their trust given them to teach our children, everyone and especially those who hold the title “Teacher” should be the most outraged. Think about it?
sloboffthestreet
February 2nd, 2012
3:07 pm
I guess riding the dog like a pony is frowned upon in this establishment!
Question
February 2nd, 2012
3:25 pm
Slob, I don’t get your metaphor at 3:07.
Prof
February 2nd, 2012
4:01 pm
“Lynch law. The punishment of persons suspected of crime without due process of law”: American Heritage Dictionary, 2nd edition.
Seems to me that the California teacher accused of abuse wasn’t the only one undergoing lynch law on this blog thread.
sloboffthestreet
February 2nd, 2012
4:21 pm
Defending a teacher accused of such behavior because you are one of them is in very poor taste and exhibits poor judgement. That is the outrage you are reading. How this man was allowed to walk the streets for one year also shows poor judgement by the authorities and for the school district to be hush hush about the matter is also a mistake. Teachers have protections the general public does not enjoy. This is where the outrage lies. Lynch Law? This case was allowed to be investigated for one year. His bond is set at $23million. The court case is a formality at best. Case closed. Pick your battles more carefully in the future. The educators on here are the ones acting with emotion because you are also a teacher. This evil lurks and for all we as parents know it could also live inside one of you. If that is the case I say, “String em up.” Here is a link with a little more of that good old fashioned emotion.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/02/la-teacher-suspected-of-lewd-conduct-keeps-benefits.html
gamom
February 2nd, 2012
4:35 pm
immunity, The educators enjoy this in the state of Georgia. No other profession is there any kind of immunity. All they have to claim is it was ‘discipline’, ….Protectionism is a serious problem. I think it is time it stops.
Prof
February 2nd, 2012
5:19 pm
@sloboffthestreet. I meant “lynch law” on this blog, as a general behavior. Catlady was not “defending” anyone; she was cautioning that his case hasn’t gone to court yet, so while the evidence may seem overwhelmingly against him, we should let the courts decide his guilt. I believe that she was cautioning against a common tendency toward lynch law, as a principle.
And bam! Suddenly the responses seemed to be that she thought whatever teachers want to do is fine, so off with her head!
Yes, she probably was foolhardy to point out the 5th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution at that point… I felt rather foolhardy myself in entering the fray. But the constitutional principle should be stated: innocent till proven guilty, no matter how abhorrent the crime.
HS Public Teacher
February 2nd, 2012
6:11 pm
@sloboffthestreet,
Excuse me? Where and when did I advocate for this monster? Please stop with your nonsense!!!
ScienceTeacher671
February 2nd, 2012
9:13 pm
Slob, it’s obvious you’ve never worked in a school system if you think the people at the board office are the friends and allies of the students, parents, and classroom teachers. That may be true in a few very small rural systems.
Here’s another clue for you: who do you think would pay for these password-protected cameras in the classroom, teachers, or the people at the board office?
To Prof from Good Mom
February 2nd, 2012
9:38 pm
Prof,
You either still haven’t thought about it or you just won’t accept it.
Read catlady’s posts again.
She clearly has a double-standard.
She reported that a child with a hand print on her face told her that her mother slapped her. Catlady immediately believed her without the benefit of a jury or a trial.
Yet, when semen with this pervert’s DNA was found in the pervert’s classroom with pictures of him serving it to children, she wouldn’t accept it or believe it.
Her duplicitous attitude is abhorrent. As a teacher she should not only report every instance of suspected abuse or neglect of childrne by ANY person, she is also entrusted to actually look for it.
She has failed the public trust. She has failed humanity. What possible abuse has gone unreported because her priorities are first and foremost to protect the adults in her profession?
We ALL should be protecting the innocent children.
I am still entirely, disgusted with catlady as are many on this blog.
Maureen Downey
February 2nd, 2012
9:45 pm
@Good Mother, Let’s end this thread. I will remove any more comments directed at Catlady, who, in the blog vernacular, is a trusted commenter.
Maureen
To Maureen from Good Mom
February 2nd, 2012
9:58 pm
Do you know Catlady personally? How can you trust her and protect her ? Censorship.
To Maureen from Good Mom
February 2nd, 2012
10:00 pm
Remeber, Maureen, the pervert who fed semen to children was also a trusted commenter. Parents opened their homes to him. Even if you personally know catlady, you don’t know and as a parent I am outraged anyone would protect and defend this monster.
To HS Teacher from Good Mom
February 2nd, 2012
10:12 pm
This link is to the article BY the Associated Press. Look at the logo and the by line. It doesn’t get any clearer than this: Also, remember, this report, as damaging as it is, clearly says this is only the tip of the iceberg. Perverts are rampant in the school system as teachers because that’s where the kids are. We need to be especially diligent and aware and report suspected abuse. Now, click on the link and READ and COMPREHEND.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21392345/ns/us_news-education/t/ap-sexual-misconduct-plagues-us-schools/#.Tym_YoF22uI
Maureen Downey
February 2nd, 2012
11:21 pm
@Good Mom, Don’t know Catlady at all. Not even sure if Catlady is a man or woman. By “trusted,” I am speaking of the practice in some newspapers of allowing only posters with proven histories of sane, sensible comments from posting without moderation. Catlady has been on this blog before I came aboard, and I have always found her/his comments to be relevant and above board.
I am not interested in using this blog space to attack individual posters. I want people to comment on the issues.
Maureen
sloboffthestreet
February 3rd, 2012
12:31 am
Good Mother & Maureen have crossed paths on what is the real problem here. Blind Faith. We build associations in life with people who we don’t know much about. Not unlike a first date we are often on our best behavior attempting to gain personal favor with an individual or a group. As teaching professionals you are not immune to this human flaw. On this blog it is obvious that teachers are very supportive of each other simply because of the title they hold. Much of the rhetoric is indoctrinated. It is noble that you are so quick to defend one of your own but in reality you have little to base your belief on. The person who teaches across the hall from you may have earned your deep respect and trust but too often you know no more about their habits, good or bad than any of your neighbors. We as a society have developed a closed door policy with our own neighbors. Many times we don’t know what occurs only feet from our own front doors and sometimes we choose to ignore the obvious. Yes we are all guilty of it. If only our lives were as perfect as they appear on Facebook! Yesterday we read the superintendent was at a loss how this could have happened and no one reported it. Then we read how two 30 year old women have come forward and claim they did report him and were told not to make up such stories about this teacher. There is court documentation of a 90’s accusation by another student. Once again the very group we blindly entrust our children to has come up short. As educators you should be the first to condemn this behavior, not point to the constitution. I fear we will be reading about more cases involving this man. Then we read that he keeps his health benefits because of the fear of court action against the school system. And why? Because of the job he held. No other reason. The man wasn’t fired, he quit leaving him with a lifetime benefit no one should pay for. Prof again reminds us of the 5th amendment. I think everyone agrees it is in place for a reason. In a case such as this it is reasonable to look beyond the formality. Our legal system has its moments of success and of failures. You don’t need a crystal ball to predict the outcome of this case. After all. This man liked what he did so much he documented it for all to see and was so brazen he felt comfortable having his pics developed at the local photo center. And with administration and fellow educators telling students they were liars I am certain only encouraged this man to continue and also escalate his behavior. The shame is on them and the friendships he developed within the school among other employees allowing him to roam free as he had already established his reputation with his peers and they did not accept the truth from students when it was brought forward. When you think you know something, think one more time. You just may be mistaken.
Science teacher,
Thank you so much for the clue. I have several more I have received from posting on here. I’m thinking of making a collage. I’m sure it will be beautiful. As for who would pay for cameras? One more time. We already have the internet feed. Infinite Campus is already set up and password protected. Where is this cost you speak of. I bought a security system for a friends laundromat with 4 cameras and a hard drive that can record all 4 cameras for 30 days for $249. It took him 2 hours to install it but knowing him I think there was a Heineken break or two involved.
As for the central office and local BOE. They are on your side. Not the parents. Just like in the story with this deviant, when parents bring proof to board members, local & state, legislature members, the governor and his other educational departments, they dismiss the facts and are in full support of the teachers. Not the students and parents concerns. Perhaps someone should tell this confused superintendent in California that this is how such a person is allowed to exist among America’s youth for 30 years and use his position of unquestioned trust to his full advantage.
To Maureen from Good Mom
February 3rd, 2012
2:54 am
YOu write “I am not interested in using this blog space to attack individual posters. I want people to comment on the issues.”
Exactly. The issues. The issue IS catlady. She identifies herself as a teacher and turns a blind eye to abuse by teachers. This IS EXACTLY the issue. Perverts and abusers are allowed to abuse and hurt children BECAUSE of the actions of teachers and administrators who turn a blind eye to it and even cover it up after they are aware of it.
Read your own links to articles you blog about. Abusers and perverts get away with their crimes because people like catlady ignore it and defend the abusers.
This IS the point.
GM
Blind "faith" from Good Mom
February 3rd, 2012
3:43 am
The wretched pervert was reported way back in 1990 by two school girls who did the right thing and reported what they saw to the school counselor, the very person who is trained to look for and report abuse.
When these little children reported the abuse over 20 years ago, this is what the school counselor told them “Trujillo said the counselor “just told us it’s not very good to make stories up. She said it was our imagination. It was never talked about again.”
How many children were abused in those tweny years because that so-called counselor covered up his crimes and how many abuses have gone unreported because teachers such as catlady refuse to report abuse by their own colleagues?
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2095742/Mark-Berndt-Teacher-spoonfed-semen-children-investigated-1994.html#ixzz1lJ38sq7U
Prof
February 3rd, 2012
9:40 am
Sloboffthestreet and Good Mom are focusing on the abused child who is not believed by teachers or authorities, and how to protect that child; and that is a good thing. It does seem like the real lesson to be drawn from this horrific tale.
But they’ve gone beyond that to personal attacks that almost seem like scapegoating. Catlady has been pilloried and shamed pretty thoroughly for posting that we should remember the accused are innocent until proved guilty and there have been cases of false accusations of teachers. That was all she wrote. It’s not because I’m a teacher myself that I found it very painful to watch. It was. I agree with Maureen: comment on the issues, not the posters.
Mahopinion
February 3rd, 2012
9:48 am
Do you really need a trial to decide that something is not right with a teacher that takes photographs of children who are bound and gagged? Really? If this person were your neighbor and not a teacher you would be the first one in line to hold the rope.
Hypocrisy at it’s finest.
Prof
February 3rd, 2012
10:57 am
@ Mahopinion, 9:48 am. Yes.
To Prof from Good Mom
February 3rd, 2012
11:40 am
Prof, It isn’t just catlady who deserve the negative attention. It’s also people like HS Teacher who claims that the story about the rampant numbers of pedophiles in the teaching profession isn’t true. He/she denies over and again that the investigation was not by AP, the Associated Press.
Now, Prof, click on the link below. Please indicate whether you see the big red AP logo which indicates this investigation was done by the Associated Press.
You see, it’s the deny-at-all-costs mentality that HS Teacher and catlady have that commenters find so deplorable. Even when faced with irrefutable facts, they continue to deny and deny and this is exactly why the profession has lost credibility.
Now, Prof, click and look. Will you accept or deny this investigation was done by the Associated Press?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21392345/ns/us_news-education/t/ap-sexual-misconduct-plagues-us-schools/#.Tym_YoF22uI
Prof
February 3rd, 2012
12:11 pm
@ Good Mom, 11:40 am. Yes, this links to a study done by Associated Press…in 2007. The study notes that over 5 years, 2500 cases of teacher abuse were reported, out of 3 million teachers nationwide. The point of the study was that although the number reported is a very small percentage, there must be abuse that never gets reported.
Please believe me when I say that I do not condone teachers’ abuse of students, sexual or otherwise. I just want to observe that the survey speculates “there must be much more abuse,” but only has data for the 2500 cases out of 3 million teachers over 5 years. The “abuse” covers all sorts, not just that by pedophiles. And the study is 4 years old.
Sorry–I’m just not going to change my position that the 5th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution must be observed. The accused must have their chance to prove that they are innocent in a court of law…even with a crime as terrible as the one that is still unfolding in California.
To Prof from Good Mom
February 3rd, 2012
12:17 pm
Thanks for clicking and confirming. HS Teacher, did you hear that? Yes, your own supporter acknowleges what you will not.
Prof, I have full support of the fifth and as heinous as Adolf Hitler was I would much prefer he went to a fair trial and then received his just punishment.
What I stil think you don’t fully accept is that pedophiles are attracted to the teaching and coaching professions.
Being a teacher does not make you a pedophile but pedophiles are attracted to these professions simply because that’s where the kids are.
Therefore, we as a society must be especially vigilant about reporting abuse and go much further than that — we must EXPECT a pedophile to become a teacher. We must actively look for the signs and habits of a pedophile.
We must PREVENT the isolation and privacy that allows the pedophile to perform his crimes and we must always, always, always, err on the side of caution.
Prof
February 3rd, 2012
1:18 pm
@ Good Mom, 12:17 pm. Of course we should be on the look-out for pedophiles. No-one has said we shouldn’t. They’re also attracted to religious groups, churches, and the ministries that come into contact with young people. Not to mention the Boy Scouts. (I don’t know about the Girl Scouts…never heard of a case of a Scout leader sexually abusing her Brownies or Scouts.) Lots of examples there.
But I certainly think you’re making an unjustified leap of logic to say that we should expect pedophiles to be teachers, any more than we should expect pedophiles to be ministers, priests, rabbis, ministry youth leaders, Scout leaders, police officers…. Pedophiles are found throughout the population, including teachers.
And btw…I think that HS Public Teacher was pointing out what I did in my 12:11 pm post: the actual percentage of the 3 million teachers nationwide who have been found guilty in abuse cases is very low. Anything else is speculation.
To Prof from Good Mom
February 3rd, 2012
1:42 pm
Pedophiles are found more frequently as teachers and coaches and we must expect it and look for it.
Catlady easily believes (as she should) that a child was slapped by her mother (child abuse) but does not accept that the pervert is guilty, even when DNA is found on his cup in the trash in his classroom.
She has a double-standard and that double-standard is what causes perverts and pedophiles the freedom to do damage for years. How many children ate sperm in thirty years? What if that teacher has AIDS?
Even when students reported the abuse to the counselor, they were not believed? Why weren’t they believed? Why didn’t anyone investigate?
They didn’t because people like you say things like ” the actual percentage of the 3 million teachers nationwide who have been found guilty in abuse cases is very low. Anything else is speculation.”
You minimize. You make it sound like it is improbable and unlikely and nothing to worry about. Not in your school, right?
Prof
February 3rd, 2012
2:06 pm
@ Good Mom. Kind of unlikely that pedophiles are looking for 19–25 year old undergraduates, or 26-40+ year old graduate students.
To Prof
February 3rd, 2012
5:19 pm
“Kind of unlikely that pedophiles are looking for 19–25 year old undergraduates, or 26-40+ year old graduate students.”
I have a great sense of humor, Prof, but joking about a pervert who fed semen to innocent little children is more than a little inappropriate, don’t you think?
It’s also a transparent attempt to avoid the question that you don’t want to answer. You minimize, Prof. You spout your facts and figures in an intelligent sounding sentence and you try to make all believe that the danger of a pedophile in a school is very rare. You want to make others believe that it would be statistically highly unlikely and just nothing to worry about.
An intelligent and educated person, one who uses “prof” as his or her monniker should use their power and influence to educate the population on the very real dangers of teacher-pedophiles. All these smoke and mirros and all these denials, for what? So that you can defend someone you don’t even know? What are the risks? The very lives of innocent children at stake and you decide this is a good time to make a joke.
You’re sick.
HS Public Teacher
February 3rd, 2012
5:57 pm
@Good Mom
You must simply be totally insane. Your post at 11:40 to Prof is just filled with outright lies, especially regarding me. What have do I “deny at all cost”????
HS Public Teacher
February 3rd, 2012
6:01 pm
@Good Mom -
The original article linked and had text posted was NOT from AP. Yes, what you showed WAS from AP. Get it? I doubt it.
However, just as Prof has pointed out and as I have pointed out, the actual number IN THE AP ARTICLE of teachers with their certification revoked is a very very small percentage of teachers in the profession. Can you at the very least agree on that point?
Can you?
To HS Teacher from Good Mom
February 3rd, 2012
6:39 pm
You are making my argument for me, HS Public Teacher. Are you sure you are up to debate this topic?
You say “the actual number IN THE AP ARTICLE of teachers with their certification revoked is a very very small percentage of teachers in the profession. Can you at the very least agree on that point?”
Why certainly, even after being caught “red-handed”, this pervert who fed semen to kids, STILL RETAINS HIS LICENSE and get this — his full pension and benefits, including medical care.
You’re making my point for me, HS Teacher. These teacher-pedophiles have no fear of getting caught and when they do, they still get their salary and benefits and the unwaivering support of teacher-pedophile supporters like you.
gamom
February 3rd, 2012
6:42 pm
As reported in several news sources today….a second teacher in the same school in California has been removed from the classroom and an attorney for one of the victims of the school abuse is alleging that the school knew about this situation for a very long time and the attorney says it is a cover up.
To GAMOM from Good Mom
February 3rd, 2012
7:09 pm
Thanks for the updtae, GaMom. I found the story. Prof, HS Teacher, Catlady, are you still there? Still listening?
That’s two teacher-pedophiles in the very same elementary school…and you claim abuse by teacher-pedophiles is so rare I mean IF they are guilty, right? IF? IF? IF? huh catlady?
http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/03/justice/california-teacher-bondage-photos/index.html
ScienceTeacher671
February 3rd, 2012
10:42 pm
Frankly, I can’t understand how someone who supposedly works and commutes 10-12 hours per day and seems to post on this blog 24/7 could possibly be a “Good Mom,” but maybe internet personas can be deceiving?
It would be nice if we could stop the strawman tactics of bashing other posters and concentrate on the issues at hand.
To Science Teacher from Good Mom
February 4th, 2012
12:43 am
You said “It would be nice if we could stop the strawman tactics of bashing other posters and concentrate on the issues at hand.”
but then you just also bashed another poster (me) by saying “Frankly, I can’t understand how someone who supposedly works and commutes 10-12 hours per day and seems to post on this blog 24/7 could possibly be a “Good Mom,” but maybe internet personas can be deceiving?”
Ironic, huh, Science Teacher?
But you go ahead and take your best shot, I can take it. I won’t slink away with my tail between m y legs like catlady.
…and because you asked, I’ll say again. I’m on staycation and blogging much more than usual. No 60 hours work weeks for me at all. Just relaxiing with the kids and enjoying the nice weather.
and if my blogs become tiresome, please feel free to make good use of that page down button on your keyboard…
and if you want a sure fire way to shut me up altogether, go tell your teacher-colleagues to quit whining on a public blog where every parent can read how much the teachers in Atlanta hate their childrne and want to “piss on them” – a quote from teacher V for Vendetta/Viscious.
Piss on them.
This teacher, V for Vendetta wants to piss on our children and you think that isn’t abusive?
ScienceTeacher671
February 4th, 2012
6:51 am
“Good Mom”, it was purposeful, because you’ve been doing 80% of the trolling on the blog.
To Science Teacher from Good Mom
February 4th, 2012
9:50 am
Science Teachere you write “Good Mom”, it was purposeful, because you’ve been doing 80% of the trolling on the blog.”
Ys, purposeful. That’s the ironic part. You throw a punch at my face and then complain we shouldn’t be throwing punches at one another.
…but I am not complaining, just observing the duplicitous nature of your comments and throwing it right back at cha.
If you don’t like my posts (and most teachers don’t) they why bother reading them? Just press Page Down. I always sig my comments as Good Mom, Good Mother or GM so they are very obvious. They are easy to ignore and…
if you want to decrease my comments, then stop responding to them, because I’ll always respond back…
and…
if you want me to shut my pie hole altogether, then you and your teachers should stop whining on a public blog about how much you hate your job, hate your managers and hate our children.
…because when you put down an innocent child you will always, always, always, have me to defend them.
teacher&mom
February 4th, 2012
11:36 am
To all: The “Report this comment” is a blogger’s friend and troll’s enemy. Perhaps we should utilize this option on a more consistent basis….
…or we can continue to allow this blog to become a topix.com site.
Off the read the Washington Post education blogs…where debate and discourse does not disintegrate into a silly fracas.
HS Public Teacher
February 4th, 2012
4:01 pm
@Good Mom –
Wow. You just cannot be as stupid as you seem on this blog…. can you?
Yes, the man accused of these monsterous acts currently retains his certification and stuff. However, CURRENTLY, he has not been found guilty. Get it? I doubt it.
Once justice is done, then the rest falls into place. Get it? I doubt it.
Finally, I am glad to hear that you agree that only 0.8% of teachers in the US have had their certifications revoked due to pedophile/other types of things. And, I am glad that you agree that this percentage is small.
Now that you agree on that, can you agree that it is likely that other professions would have a higher percentage? For example, occupations such as the priesthood, medical doctors, and so on would likely have a high percentage – can we agree on that?
HS Public Teacher
February 4th, 2012
4:03 pm
@Good Mom – LOL! LOL! LOL!
You want to paint yourself as some defender of children? Wow. I hope that they have someone much better than you!!!
Mahopinion
February 4th, 2012
4:04 pm
@ Maureen
A second teacher has been charged at the same school:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/02/second-teacher-at-la-school-arrested.html
To HS teacher from Good Mom
February 4th, 2012
4:09 pm
HS Teach,
I think we have a very fundamental disagreement that will very likely never be overcome.
My top priority is to protect children. Your top priority is to protect teachers.
Because each of us has an opposite fundamental belief that we will not change I think it would be best for you and me and everyone else listening if we just stopped this particular blog-thread in the interest of giving other commenters a break.
If you comment back, I’ll read it but I just won’t respond. I hope you understand, I’m not ignoring you, I just want to take a break from the back and forth in the interests of others
Good Ma
Mahopinion
February 4th, 2012
4:11 pm
Prof
February 3rd, 2012
10:57 am
@ Mahopinion, 9:48 am. Yes.
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Then please pray that no one like you is ever standing next to you if some one assaults you. They just might need to wait for a trial to determine that what is happening to you is wrong.
And please stay away from kids. If you need a trial to be told that photographing restrained students is wrong than you have no business being in a classroom. May I presume you are a graduate of Penn State?
HS Public Teacher
February 5th, 2012
12:39 am
@Good Mom -
You lie. Why would you say that my “top prioity is to protect teachers”? That is simply an outright lie.
I also think that it is a lie that your “top priority is to protect children.” You have not shown that quality whatsoever in any of your posts. The only thing you do is bash teachers. If you think that bashing teachers is “protecting children” then u r a hopeless person anyway.
Fred
February 5th, 2012
2:34 am
Since I can STILL post on this blog I can assume I didn’t cross any lines. I am still as disgusted as I was when I made my second post.
Fred
February 5th, 2012
2:55 am
catlady
February 1st, 2012
6:39 am
To those of you who say “you make me sick,” oh, well. Sometimes trying to be fair to someone who is accused of something, but not convicted, or arguing the opposite, gets you approbation from others.
IF this person did this, he should be put UNDER the jail, AFTER he is convicted.
As to my religious beliefs, NO, I have never been Baptist, or Catholic.
As to my “popularity,” kids and their parents clammor to be in my classes. The kids and their parents come back to see me and thank me. You are off base on this. I am frequently one of a child’s few cheerleaders and advocates.
And, yes, I have seen MANY horrors visited upon kids by their parents or parent’s live in, in the nearly 4 decades as a teacher, starting the first year when a little girl came to school with a handprint on her face. She had walked in on her mother and boyfriend in bed.
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I really lack any words to say here that could actually be printed. Well some MAY be printed, but they wouldn’t stay long.
I pity you. I really do.
To Fred from Good Mom
February 5th, 2012
7:15 am
Good Morning, Fred:)
GM
To HS Teacher from Good Mom
February 5th, 2012
7:16 am
I understand and accept your criticisms; however:
“I won’t respond with anything in kind. I promised teacher&mom I wouldn’t criticize the teachers on this blog for the next 48 hours and I intend to keep my promise. So, if you say anything negative to me, I will read it but I won’t respond in kind. I hope you understand I am not ignoring you, just trying to give others a break from the constant back and forth.”
Good Mother
Good Mom
Good Ma
Good Me Ma
GM
etc.
To Fred from Good Mom
February 5th, 2012
7:20 am
Fred, regarding your post on another blog about citations for being a good mother….I don’t have any citations for being a good mom, but (and I swear) I did win a watermelon eating contest. GM
Observer
February 5th, 2012
11:52 am
@ Fred, Feb. 5, 2:55 am. You quote Catlady here. This is all she posted on the subject. She’s saying that the person accused of these crimes should only be put in jail after being convicted in court, and also that parents sometimes are guilty of abuse to their children too.
And this is what you posted here on Jan. 31, 11:43 pm: “I really don’t like you catlady. I feel sorry for your children. I feel sorry for the children who suffer under your teaching. I feel sorry for anyone who comes in daily contact with you. I feel sorry for myself for the taint I bear for reading anything you have ever posted. There is something sick and twisted about you in my most honest opinion. I don’t know what’s wrong with you, why you hate people so much, especially children, but I don;t think you should have any contact with them and think it’s a travesty that you are a teacher.”
I honestly don’t understand where you’re coming from, and I didn’t when I read it either. Look at your quotes from her above. Where is she expressing any sympathy for the accused California teacher, any suggestion that she condones his pedophiliac behavior? She’s reminding us that in this country the accused must be found guilty in a court of law and not public opinion.
It’s not easy to remind a lynch mob that a law-court should decide the guilt of someone accused of a terrible crime, for very often the mob turns its wrath upon the person saying this. But still it should be said….in this country, at least.
Observer
February 5th, 2012
11:57 am
@ Fred. Actually, she wrote “UNDER the jail after being convicted”…which I presume means executed and buried under the jail. Wouldn’t you agree with that punishment for this particular accused person?
Biologist
February 5th, 2012
12:38 pm
Hey didn’t the star or Waiting for Superman, Michelle Rhee admit to duct taping her students when she was a teach for america teacher?
Sources:
http://www.substancenews.net/articles.php?page=1675
http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/looselips/2010/08/16/baltimore-schools-have-really-strong-masking-tape/http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peter-zucker/michelle-rhee-and-masking_b_801339.html
Perhaps since Rhee did such a thing, these other teachers took it to be accepted practice?!
She is a “Superman” and a “Bee Eater” and everything that is good and right about education reform after all.