A second grader draws one person shooting another and labels them “me” and “you.” Cause for concern?
UPDATE: Folks, I closed comments on this at 10 p.m. Friday. Have a great holiday weekend. Maureen
A former-teacher-turned-advocate has been talking to me about an incident involving his second grader and a classmate. The classmate had handed his child a drawing of one figure shooting another. The boy labeled the shooter “me” and the victim “you.” In the primitive sketch, both the stick figure shooter and the victim are smiling.
Upset by the possible implications of the sketch, the former educator and his wife went to the school but were unhappy with how their concerns were addressed.
Here is a description he wrote about the entire experience. What do you think?
I am a former educator and most recently represented educators on various issues. One would be hard pressed to find a parent more understanding of the demands facing educators today. Schools often talk about their desire to have parental involvement in the education process. This has been the retort anytime challenges present themselves in the school system – “We need more parental involvement, more parents who care.”
So when parents seek open lines of communication and have questions about the learning environment of their child, one would expect the school to welcome collaboration rather than a seemingly ritualistic dance around the issue. My family recently experienced “the dance” from one of Georgia’s premier school systems at an award-winning school when our child was given a picture drawn by a second-grade classmate of a person shooting someone. Most disturbing were the captions; the artist labeled the shooter “me” and the victim “you.”
When our child told us about the picture, we were appalled that school officials had not contacted us immediately. Without knowing the severity of the threat, the school could have demonstrated some care and concern, if its administrators had been proactive, and at least informed us. Nothing.
We went to the school the next morning to inquire about the situation and were told that the administration was going to contact my family “after an investigation was complete.” We were told that the administration was going to ask the school resource officer to look at it and make a determination. To the school’s credit, they later involved the school counselor and the school psychologist.
When speaking with a direct report to the superintendent of the school system about why school psychologists were not automatically involved, we were told, “School psychologists can just say whatever you want them to say; you can pay them to say anything.” I have tremendous respect for school psychologists and was gravely disappointed to hear this from a central office official.
The investigation was deemed complete after two days, and the conclusion was that our child was not in any danger. We asked for the other child to be placed in another class. That was denied immediately. We are still struggling with questions.
–Why was this given to our child? We were told that this child had an entire notebook of pictures.
– Our child has never considered this classmate a friend. When we shared this info with the school along with the fact that our child had not had good interactions with this child, it did not change their perspective.
–Who are the people labeled “me” and “you?”
–Did they find this picture developmentally appropriate for a second grader?
– We were told the school determined that our child is not in any danger. What made them sure of this?
The school psychologist admitted that she was not given all of the information and indicated that the picture was concerning. When we met with the principal, she ended our meeting by saying, “I don’t think there is anything left to discuss.” She did not ask if our child felt safe or if we still had concerns.
When we asked to meet with the other parents so that we could figure this out, we were told that the school does not facilitate parental meetings. If our child had given this drawing to anyone, my wife and I would be crawling over each other to apologize to the family of the other child.
Neither the school nor the system did anything to make sure that our child or my wife and I were comfortable with how the situation was addressed. They were more concerned with protecting the rights of the child who gave the picture to my son.
–From Maureen Downey, for the AJC Get Schooled blog
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281 comments Add your comment
Beverly Fraud
December 29th, 2011
10:22 am
I think the parents should be notified and thats baout it.
But they WEREN’T notified Ron. And I bet if Maureen asked the parents, THAT’S where the mistrust began.
Ty
December 29th, 2011
10:24 am
Beverly has made excellent points… and those that demean the parents for questioning the school authorities are missing the point. My question… if the drawing had been the two “you” and “me” stick figures shooting the teacher/other school officials… would the school have taken it so lightly? The fact that the 7 yr old drew it is not remarkable… it is when he labeled the shooter and victim and then gave the picture to his classmate… definitely a communication of a threat. Considering the school psychologist was not fully informed before a decision of “no threat” was determined is indicative of trying to cover it up so it will go away.
The writers’ comments regarding schools is exactly on target… any time a school is charged with not providing something the answer is that they need parental involvement. Now a parent takes the responsible approach to come to them and inquire of possible remedies and they are blown off. Maybe the parents should have just done what everyone else seems to do… sue the administration for their incompetence. School administrations want all the authority, but think they can wield it without taking any responsibility.
Dr NO / Mr Sunshine
December 29th, 2011
10:24 am
Sounds as if a severe paddling is over due. Or perhaps some waterboarding for this little offender.
SouthGADawg
December 29th, 2011
10:26 am
@Questions
My statements show nothing about what knowledge I have about a classroom. Also, just because you disagree with my observations doesn’t make your OPINION correct. If you feel like a picture drawn by a child is cause for the blatant overreaction here then go ahead and feel that way. (And YES this was an overreaction on the parents part – this is a matter that at best should have illicited a phone call to a teacher, instead it turned into an investigation and has now spilled over into the media. In fact, I believe “overreaction” hardly even begins to describe the ridiculousness of this).
Regardless, just because you feel like this is a “serious” issue doesn’t mean that I won’t feel that you, Beverly Fraud, and the mother who started this ridiculousness, should find better things to do with their time than worry about a picture. You do realize that there are more important things in the world like oh I don’t know, Genocide in Africa, starvation, totalitarian governments ruling people, the very real danger that Obama will be re-elected. You know serious issues.
Ugghhh…I have real work to do now.
William Casey
December 29th, 2011
10:27 am
Beverly, schools cannot to everything!!! I was Dean of Students (i.e.- discipline) at Chattahoochee H.S. 1993-97 and had to deal with student threats to each other quite often. Believe me, threats were sometimes much more credible than a second grader’s drawings. I never discounted them but used my long experience (and the judgement of other professionals) to determine a proper course of action. But, as Jeff pointed out awhile back, there are never any guarantees of absolute safety.
Were I the parent of the child who was the target of the drawing, I would advise him to IMMEDIATELY report any future incidents TO HIS TEACHERS AND ME. I’d also teach my son to run like hell if he ever saw a gun. Few second graders are crack shots at moving targets. If I were REALLY convinced that the other kid was psycho, I would remove my son from the school. What do you want the school to do, convene the Warren Commission?
Beverly Fraud
December 29th, 2011
10:28 am
Ok, now another LEGITIMATE question to ask the “advocate parents” if they really are NOT being helicopter parents:
Maureen, can you ask if they went to the TEACHER first? You know, the one who is with BOTH children, EVERY day?
Now if they went STRAIGHT to the office, WITHOUT involving the teacher, I’ll start to side with the rest of you. Of course an EFFECTIVE principal would say “Please go talk to the teacher FIRST. If you still aren’t satisfied, please come see me”
But then again, that would require PEOPLE skills, something in perilously short supply in education, if not the world these days.
Questions
December 29th, 2011
10:30 am
Why can’t some of you see the difference between brothers, cousins and friends playing “guns” in the backyard and a classmate who is not the boy’s friend handing him a picture of being murdered by the “artist?” Beverly’s right about not knowing what the teacher thinks. It is obvious that most of you do not understand what it is like to try to teach with one or more uncontrolable little monsters disrupting your class all day when you are trying to teach, and the principal does nothing to help.
Man up
December 29th, 2011
10:31 am
Ty. You seriously have no idea what a school administrator deals with day in and day out. What an ignorant statement. Again this sue em entitlement crap is what is killing the school systems in this country. No one owes these people anything. If they don’t like the way the school handled it they have other options but they merely want to control everything in this school. Someone has to be in charge and it simply cannot be each and every parent.
They need to get over themselves.
Ron Burgundy
December 29th, 2011
10:33 am
I think something like this does warrant a call to the parent for sure.
If a kid wants a Remington 22 for christmas I think that okay Catlady. I mean men are instinctive hunters like animals brought up in the zoo have natural instincts. I do think that killing animals needs to be purposeful but hunting is fun as well. For instance, if I kill a deer I rpocessthe meat. If I go squirrel hunting I give the squirrel to a freind who has a trained hawk. If I kill a coyote its because of overpopulation.
I think as a gun user its important to teach kids to respect guns and kill for a purpose other then just killing.
Beverly Fraud
December 29th, 2011
10:33 am
Questions, I have a Question for you:
Would you be the LEAST bit surprised if the principal DIDN’T involve the teacher, out of fear the teacher would admit the “artist” in question has been a HUGE behavior problem?
Ron Burgundy
December 29th, 2011
10:34 am
If the kid has a bad histor and draws the pic then steps should be taken to work with the parents to correct.
Problem today is kids have a lack of healthy fear of their parents. Kids run households.
Ty
December 29th, 2011
10:34 am
SouthGADawg…. the situations you mention at the end of your post are definitely more important on a world stage… and to the rest of us. But to that parent whose child received what COULD be a threat, their child is their world. Why is it an overreaction for them to have gone to the school administrators to inquire if there was any risk? The manner in which events unfolded did not ease their concern so they pressed for more information… and now that is considered “overreaction”? You mention totalitarian governments… but give a pass to a school administration who says that they will tell you what they want and you just have to accept it.
Questions
December 29th, 2011
10:39 am
And as in every AJC blog the Obama haters have to crawl out of their holes and caves and show their ugly, bigoted heads. This issue is symptomatic of the distractions that take place all day every day while teachers are trying to teach under the weight of the idiocy of Bush’s NCLB. It is obvious many of the posters have spent little or no time in a classroom.
Beverly Fraud
December 29th, 2011
10:39 am
“Beverly, schools cannot to everything!!! A
@William Casey, I’m not expecting them to do, “everything”?
But if a parent came to you and said “You say Jimmy the Artist (no I’m not trying to paint the boy as a Mafia thug wearing a wife-beater LOL) is not a threat to my child. Can you explain, so I can be AT EASE, why you feel this way?”
Wouldn’t you have an answer?
And if the school counselor was in the same meeting, and let it slip words to the effect of “Oh, I didn’t know about THAT” wouldn’t you say that’s an example of administration NOT communicating effectively?
williebkind
December 29th, 2011
10:42 am
Beverly Fraud
December 29th, 2011
9:41 am
Gad! I hope you are not reproducing!
Ty
December 29th, 2011
10:43 am
Man Up… why the insults? I know quite a bit about school administrations. My comment about suing the school was tongue in cheek sarcasm… obviously above your head. I think the number of lawsuits in general, and specifically towards school administrations is ludicrous. How about the administrator who suspended a middle school boy for giving a friend a hug? It has gotten absolutely silly out there. Drawing or doodling what the boy did is not an issue… passing it on, specifically identifying that he was thinking of causing harm to the recipient is what is the concern. Bullying comes in many shades… and needs to be stopped if it is evident. Does a drawing of violence automatically mean a danger … of course not… but then again, it at least indicates that the drawer/doodler should be counseled. His need to communicate his desires of violence needs to be addressed, not just blown off as vivid imagination.
Beverly Fraud
December 29th, 2011
10:44 am
“Why is it an overreaction for them to have gone to the school administrators to inquire if there was any risk?”
It’s only an overreaction if they did NOT go to the teacher first. If you want REAL answers, you go to the teacher who is with them EVERY day. THEN you go to the office.
At that point, as you said, you ask the office, since this COULD be a threat, explain to me in PLAIN ENGLISH why you think it isn’t?
Ron Burgundy
December 29th, 2011
10:45 am
I think parents should stop being kids friends and stop playing golf, watching TV or whatever and start mentoring these kids into how to be men and women who have a work ethic and a code fo honor and values.
If my kid drew a picture of him killing someone it would be the last one he drew. Homie don’t play dat!
Ron Burgundy
December 29th, 2011
10:46 am
Anyone who sues over this stuff is a lamoid and a reason why America is startying to blow. People are so sue happy these days.
Questions
December 29th, 2011
10:47 am
@Beverly. I would be very surprised and disappointed if the principal was unaware of the child being a behavior problem. Children with behavior problems exhibit them in gym, in the hall, in the cafeteria, on the bus, etc. But then there are still some principals out there who are more interested in putting on a show than in maintaining discipline in their schools. Let me qualify this-the size of the school would make a difference. But if the principal didn’t know? The AP or Counselor would know in any well run elementary school. On the other hand, maybe the principal has been repeatedly second guessed by central office administrators who have repeatedly sided with the parents of children with behavior problems.
williebkind
December 29th, 2011
10:47 am
Questions
December 29th, 2011
10:39 am
I opt to make education voluntary!
I'm a teacher
December 29th, 2011
10:49 am
I have just read all the posts to this article and many are clearly overreacting – I teach high school but in the past few years have taught as low as 5th grade – their are clear differences in ages and what is appropriate – the same drawing from a high schooler would get much more attention but it is age appropriate for a 2nd grader (I am a former art teacher so I do know what is age appropriate). I agree with the others who post that a one time drawing is not something to get up in arms about – the fact that the “victim” did not consider the other kid a friend doesn’t mean much – that designation changes constantly.
Beverly, you do not know the whole story and what you post is part of the problem – over-reaction without knowing all the facts and with a CLEAR bias – you do not know what school is being talked about but you have jumped to the assumption that the school is not trustworthy – lumping all schools with a few that have problems.
One thing that was mentioned early on but not paid much attention to is the fact that the school is legally bound to protect both children. That means investigating the incident on behalf of the “victim” and protecting the other child’s identity and rights (this protection is even more strict and all encompassing if the child is special ed in any way). It doesn’t matter if you think the school system should answer all the questions of the parents – in many cases they can’t legally.
The thing I find most interesting in the original story is that the parents did not talk to the teacher – it said that they inquired about the incident – not who they talked to – if they talked to the teacher I think that they would have said that so this means they went straight to the administrators – who do not know the kids in question as well as the teacher – which means part of their investigation was talking to the teacher and getting her opinion. Why didn’t the parents take this first step???
Beverly Fraud
December 29th, 2011
10:51 am
My guess Questions, is that the principal KNOWS FULL WELL, the other child is a behavior problem, so the teacher was SHUT OUT of the conversation to keep the administrations “talking points” intact.
Right now, I think that’s more plausible that the “helicopter parent” theory.
Ty
December 29th, 2011
10:53 am
Beverly… You ask why I stated that this “could” be a threat – and not assume it is? Because boys are known to do stupid things. I happen to agree with you that the drawing, labelled as it was, and thrust into the recipients hands, is most likely a threat. However, there is always the possibility that the artist is so enamored with his artistic ability that he thinks that the recipient should pay homage to him for featuring him! Unless you truly know the artist and donor’s everything is speculation. Which is probably why the parents were concerned to find out that the school psychologist was not fully consulted or that they were at least given an explanation by the administration of what was behind the picture in question.
Questions
December 29th, 2011
10:56 am
And I repeat, if the “artist” had drawn a similar picture with a gun to his own head and didn’t report it in my school system, the teacher would be sitting at Internal Investigations and be referred to PSC.
Beverly Fraud
December 29th, 2011
11:00 am
It doesn’t matter if you think the school system should answer all the questions of the parents – in many cases they can’t legally.
Yes @I’m a teacher, but that wouldn’t prevent the administration from saying “I am legally bound not to disclose certain specifics but…these are the GENERAL procedures we use…”
The BIGGEST thing at this point for me is this: Did the parents go to the TEACHER first?
I'm a teacher
December 29th, 2011
11:01 am
Why trust a school psychologist who may have never met these two boys over the teacher’s opinion who deals with these students on a daily basis. Again, the assumption is that the school is evil and the parents are right – and you wonder – why schools are becoming more and more tired of this over-reaction mentality – they are blasted if they act and blasted if they don’t act – Again stop generalizing.
suepage65
December 29th, 2011
11:01 am
@Homeschooler: I am very relieved your child is at home, and not in my child’s classroom. My son also has those interests, and is not stifled. However, if he ever felt the need to draw anyone “hanging”, he would very quickly be taught the difference between a personal interest and an outward threat. The first lesson is of respect for others; a child (boy or other) needs to be taught that it is not acceptable to intimidate or cause a classmate to be fearful, regardless of one’s “intentions.” This is where you come in. Since, as you know, boys will be boys.
Beverly Fraud
December 29th, 2011
11:03 am
No Ty I do NOT question you when you say it “could” be a threat. I could or could not be, but the labeling IS troubling, as is the administration’s SEEMING evasiveness.
The one OBVIOUS thing I question about the parents is, did they go to the teacher FIRST?
If not, WHY not?
Dr NO / Mr Sunshine
December 29th, 2011
11:06 am
There are all types of guns. Perhaps the gun in the drawing was a water-gun? Just another storm in a teacup.
I'm a teacher
December 29th, 2011
11:07 am
Beverly – you don’t know that that didn’t happen – If the parents met several times with the administrators – so something was said in those meetings – the article does not state what was said but they might have outlined that they talked to the teacher and talked to the child but the parents of the “victim” did not feel as if that was enough and still have questions. If this was a first incident with these children I can guarantee that they will be watched from now on to insure that it does not turn into a bullying case or to see if the artists show further tendencies that would then cause concern – why can’t you be happy with that outcome?
Beverly Fraud
December 29th, 2011
11:09 am
“Again, the assumption is that the school is evil and the parents are right…”
Well I’m a teacher, when you are EVASIVE you kind of bring THAT on yourself.
“Why trust a school psychologist who may have never met these two boys over the teacher’s opinion who deals with these students on a daily basis.”
I bet the parents in question (PLEASE come on this blog!) would say that’s not the point. The point is, after TWO days of full “investigation” why (if true) is the school psychologist saying words to the effect of “I didn’t know THAT about the drawing; that is a concern”
Kind of makes one think that this “full investigation” didn’t even including the psychologist looking at the drawing in question, doesn’t it?
frustrated APS mom
December 29th, 2011
11:12 am
No one has commented on the situation I posted about (the sneaky 6 year old making creepy threats to the other kids in the class on a regular basis). We did go to the teacher first and she blew us off. We won’t bother going through her again. Next time it will be straight to the kid’s parents (where I expect absolutely no support whatsoever) and to the principal. My older child was punched in the face on the playground last year simply because he was standing between the puncher and the child that he meant to punch. Guess what the school did? NOTHING. They didn’t even call me to tell me it had happened. He came home with an eye that was quickly turning purple and that is how I knew. Unacceptable. I called the school office and reported the incident, followed up with them several times, and was told that the parents were called and were handling it themselves. Hmmm. Didn’t make me feel any better. The parents never even called us to apologize.
Questions
December 29th, 2011
11:13 am
Thanks I’m a Teacher for reminding us how the incident could fit into the current focus on bullying. That is why I know some principals would have handled thus differently, particularly a school that has had ongoing problems with bullying. And to all of you who just dismiss everyone concerned about the drawing as pansies, etc., I assume you would have no concerns if your 2d grader drew a picture of him shooting you, his parent.
Katrina Lynn
December 29th, 2011
11:13 am
Kids should not be allowed to draw weapons in school PERIOD. Both kids need to go see the social worker. The artist, because this should be looked into deeper, and the other boy because apparently he is being raised to believe only he is important. Move on…
Beverly Fraud
December 29th, 2011
11:14 am
@ I’m a teacher, you say
“I can guarantee that they will be watched from now on to insure that it does not turn into a bullying case…”
-Yet Gwinnett FALSIFIES over 40 THOUSAND discipline reports. And this FALSIFIED report is signed off on at the highest levels.
-Yet APS says there were ZERO discipline incidents in FORTY schools and Kathy Augustine says “our reforms are working so well, there are no discipline problems to report”
Yet you can “guarantee” that this school will act with INTEGRITY and protect the child from any threats in the future?
I'm a teacher
December 29th, 2011
11:17 am
it could also mean that when told of the situation the school psychologist put it on a low priority and did not even look at the drawing – not that the administrator didn’t give it to them. there is not a psychologist at every school – one person covers several schools – And maybe the school psychologist got the picture deemed it age appropriate, did not investigate further, issued the go ahead to the principal who reported to the parents – then the parents talked to the psychologist who said “I didn’t know that” – the fact is – we do not have all the facts – and you are jumping to the conclusion that the administrators are at fault.
Questions
December 29th, 2011
11:17 am
@frustrated APS Mom. Most schools would have notified you if your child had been punched, and would have suspended the puncher. And all of this is happening in a Buckhead school? The school can’t be as good as you think it is if this kind of stuff goes on unchecked.
Beverly Fraud
December 29th, 2011
11:18 am
“No one has commented on the situation I posted about (the sneaky 6 year old making creepy threats to the other kids in the class on a regular basis). We did go to the teacher first and she blew us off.”
Well that certainly isn’t commendable on the teacher’s part. Even if the teacher is LIMITED in what they are ALLOWED to do, don’t insult the intelligence of the parents by dismissing the concern!
Is that what they teach in teaching college these days? LOL
I'm a teacher
December 29th, 2011
11:21 am
no physical contact was made – if the “victim” did not show the picture to anyone at the school – how was the school supposed to know about it? Again there are a lot of holes in this story and a lot of assumptions being made based on the reporting by the one set of parents – who have one clearly defined perspective.
Beverly Fraud
December 29th, 2011
11:21 am
@frustrated APS Mom. Most schools would have notified you if your child had been punched, and would have suspended the puncher.
Questions, you have to consider this is a school system that said FORTY schools had ZERO discipline incidents for an entire year!
So it would not be surprising that an APS school tried to sweep it under the rug, though it is a bit more surprising that one of the Buckhead schools would do that.
frustrated APS mom
December 29th, 2011
11:22 am
Oh yes, smack in the middle of Buckhead. I get the distinct impression from our school that they don’t want anyone to know about any discipline problems there, so they are swept under the rug. And the kid that hit mine is at Lovett this year. I wonder if he would have been accepted if there had been anything on his record about that incident….
suepage65
December 29th, 2011
11:24 am
And to clarify: pictures can be threats, and I would personally be at least concerned about the mental state of a child who drew me “hanging”, if not downright fearful. So should you. Also, I can also assure you that teachers do NOT see this kind of thing on a regular basis.
Questions
December 29th, 2011
11:26 am
@APS Mom. That is why I said some principals are still more interested in putting on a show and Keeping Up Appearances. Sounds like the principal has created an unhealthy culture at he school. Things can only be swept under the rug for so long before there is a dust storm.
I'm a teacher
December 29th, 2011
11:27 am
Again – you are lumping all teachers with a select few – because one teacher does not react when something is reported to them – we all are at fault. That being said – My job is to take both perspectives into account when faced with a situation. I have a student who comes up and says “Johnny did this to me” I say “I will deal with it” – I go to Johnny and ask him what happened – he has a perfectly reasonable explanation as to why the situation occurred and I say “OK – just be more careful in the future” or something like that – guess what – most of the time the original “victim” is not happy with how it was handled.
About Beverly Fraud from Good Mother
December 29th, 2011
11:29 am
BF, do you have a child in school today?
You might not be aware of this policy, teachers are not allowed to discuss anything that may be a privacy issue. So, the teacher in my child’s class cannot divulge who hit my child nor divulge who my child hit.
I got a report from the teacher that my child pushed another child while they were waiting in line…so I went to the teacher to ask who my child pushed so that I could ensure, with me witnessing, that my child properly apologized. The teacher said she could not divulge the name of the child my child pushed for privacy issues. It is a school policy.
So, in answer to your comments and other comments like yours…the teacher is not allowed to comment. A parent going to the school counselor IS the right thing to do because the counselor is trained to handle these type of situations, teachers aren’t and teachers cannot comment specifically on actions like these anyway.
A teacher cannot be expected to know how to teach academics, administer discipline, be a psychoanalyst and a nurse to boot. We recognize this and that’s why we have laws in Georgia requiring every school to have a counselor and a nurse (even when the nurse and counselor have to cover two schools.)
Beverly Fraud
December 29th, 2011
11:31 am
“…and you are jumping to the conclusion that the administrators are at fault.”
No I’m a teacher, I’m jumping to the conclusion that school administrators/systems have acted in LESS than ethical ways when it comes to discipline problems.
And because of that, I am asking, why are the questions the parents asking NOT legitimate?
It WOULD be nice if the parent (who had to at least suspect Maureen would post this) would comment on some questions raised.
Starting with did they go to the teacher FIRST? If not, WHY not?
Have they actually SEEN the picture in question?
But other than that, their complaint that the school and/or system did not put their mind at ease seems VERY valid
Questions
December 29th, 2011
11:32 am
But we don’t know how the teacher reacted or what protocols are in place at this school for addressing parental concerns.
I’m a Teacher-What would happen in your school system if you did not report a child drawing a picture killing himself to the counselor, and the parent complained?
carlosgvv
December 29th, 2011
11:33 am
Not long ago I was in the waiting room of a doctor’s office. An African-American man and his 3 year old grandson were sitting beside me. The boy got out of the chair to get something and then came back to the chair. He was having a hard time getting in the chair so I put my hand on his jacket and helped him into the chair. After getting seated he looked at me and said “you touch me I kill you”. I looked at his grandfather and he just looked back at me and grinned. Welcome to the new American order.
Beverly Fraud
December 29th, 2011
11:39 am
Again Good Mother that is a RED HERRING.
An EFFECTIVE school administrator can say “While I can’t discuss SPECIFIC children’s names, I can say this is how, in GENERAL terms, we determine if a child is a threat”
But many schools can’t say that, because their “strategy” is to ignore the waring signs until something TRULY bad happens. (See Westlake High)