Update: I added the statement of Georgia school superintendent John Barge at 3:30.
Sit back and get ready to read another searing report on a Georgia school system gone bad. The state report on cheating in Dougherty County schools is online, and it is not pretty. Investigators secured confessions about cheating that was blatant and systematic.
And as with APS, investigators concluded that the district superintendent, Sally Whatley, and her senior staff should have known cheating was occurring. “In that duty, they failed,” the report states.
Here is what investigators said about New Jackson Heights Elementary in the report: Cheating was a way of life at this school. On unit tests, for example, teachers would mark the correct answers, and then return the marked-up tests to the students. The teachers would do this so that the students would see which answers were wrong and make corrections.
State school chief John Barge was quick to issue a statement:
Today’s report on cheating by some educators in the Dougherty County School System is another sad case of adults putting personal interests above those of their students. I am especially disappointed in education leaders who would threaten teachers’ jobs if students did not perform well on the CRCT. While this behavior is inexcusable, it does highlight the need to look at a different, more thorough accountability system such as Georgia’s new College and Career Ready Performance Index, which we have already submitted in the form of a waiver to the U.S. Dept. of Education seeking relief from the narrowly defined designation of success found in No Child Left Behind. Relying on a single test to determine a student’s and a school’s academic success is plagued with problems.
The Georgia Department of Education will work closely with the Dougherty County School System to provide support for students who were negatively impacted by the actions of adults. We will also look into whether or not any schools and educators undeservedly received financial reward for these artificial CRCT results.”
As was the case with the Atlanta Public Schools investigation findings, the vast majority of the educators in Dougherty County and throughout the state are ethically sound and work diligently with the best interests of their students in mind. I’m committed to working with our districts to ensure our students are not robbed of a quality and meaningful education.
Here is a sample from volume 1 of the two-volume report:
The disgraceful situation we found in the Dougherty County School System (DCSS) is a tragedy, sadly illustrated by a comment made by a teacher who said that her fifth grade students could not read, yet did well on the Criterion-Referenced Competency Tests (CRCT).
This incredible statement from a teacher in a school where the principal flatly refused to cooperate with our investigation is indicative of what we found in many of the schools we visited.
To our amazement, this top-level administrator would not even answer questions about how she mishandled her duties as the person who is most responsible, at that school, for overseeing all testing activity.
Another school principal, whose salary was over $90,000 per year, allowed her family to falsely claim that they were eligible for a federally-funded free lunch each school day, even though official guidelines required the annual income to be no more than $24,089.
Yet another principal, with regard to our interviews, told a teacher: “Don’t you tell them anything, you hear?”
Notwithstanding these examples of misconduct, there are skilled, dedicated and well-meaning educators in this school system. But their work is often overshadowed by an acceptance of wrongdoing and a pattern of incompetence that is a blight on the community that will feel its effects for generations to come. This is the Dougherty County School System.
Hundreds of school children were harmed by extensive cheating in the Dougherty County School System. In 11 schools, 18 educators admitted to cheating. We found cheating on the 2009 CRCT in all of the schools we examined. A total of 49 educators were involved in some form of misconduct or failure to perform their duty with regard to this test.
While we did not find that Superintendent Sally Whatley or her senior staff knew that crimes or other misconduct were occurring, they should have known and were ultimately responsible for accurately testing and assessing students in this system. In that duty, they failed. The 2009 erasure analysis, and other evidence, suggests that there were far more educators involved in cheating, but a fair analysis of the facts did not allow us to sufficiently establish the identity of every participant.
The statistics, and the individual student data, leave little room for any other reasonable explanation, save for cheating. For example, the percentage of flagged classrooms for DCSS is ten times higher than the state average.
Unlike our investigation of criminal misconduct in the Atlanta Public Schools, officials with Dougherty County Schools (and their agents) provided, in a timely and professional manner, access to all personnel and needed documents.
–From Maureen Downey, for the AJC Get Schooled blog
134 comments Add your comment
another teacher
December 20th, 2011
11:30 am
Cheating has always been the tailing wagging the dog. In a results driven culture, teacher
did not, cannot trust their own teaching skills or the kids preparation or lack of preparation.
Ultimately, the principals are at fault. They allowed this to happen. This reminds me of instittutional
racism of the seventies and eighties. Even if you did not know, then you should have. I taught in public schools. The principals knew.
Beverly Fraud
December 20th, 2011
11:43 am
What’s the matter, they couldn’t find a Blue Ribbon Commission to “finesse it past the governor”?
Roach
December 20th, 2011
12:05 pm
A nightmare for many, many people–for everyone who knew better. You wonder just how many people feel trapped in terrible situations like this, not knowing how to escape.
Dr NO / Mr Sunshine
December 20th, 2011
12:14 pm
Well Well Well, here is an interesting tidbit…
“The report adds: “Sally Whatley (Former DCSS Superintendent) is ultimately responsible.”
LOL…Dekalb Country strikes again…LOL.
AHH AHHAHAAAA!!
shaggy
December 20th, 2011
12:34 pm
“One teacher said her fifth-grade students could not read, yet did well on the CRCT.”
If any of these “educators” had one ounce of courage, this would have never happened. Why did it take media scrutiny to break this open? Why didn’t the crooked fool “educators” go to the media, the police, the governors office…anywhere?????
I’ll tell you why, because they were lazy, and incompetent cowards that couldn’t care less if little Quantavious learned anything but to be a good little gang member/criminal.
Pluto
December 20th, 2011
12:42 pm
The governor was reportedly outraged over these additional claims of cheating but didn’t he resign his seat in Congress to avoid ethics charges?And isn’t that effectively cheating? The system has gone haywire and there are too few honorable men and women to perform the necessary functions in education. Really nobody should be shocked of these findings uncovered. I predict there will be more because in a year or so few if any school systems will be able to make ayp as written.
Good Mother
December 20th, 2011
12:47 pm
Fifth graders can’t read.
Did you hear that?
Fifth graders can’t read.
No amount of standardized testing is at fault for that.
The school system failed these students. The school system failed society.
It is a crime that a fifth grader can’t read.
Dear Lord, I am frightened for America’s future.
Top School
December 20th, 2011
1:09 pm
Oh… the censor machine is on again.
ABC
December 20th, 2011
1:24 pm
Not a day passes that I don’t wish that whoever the idiot is that invented NCLB would have never been born.
ANother teacher from Good Mother
December 20th, 2011
1:28 pm
Another teacher, you are blaming a once a year test. The children are tested once a year and yet fifth graders cannot read. You want to blame the test for that?
You mean in FIVE YEARS you cannot teach a kid to read?
Disgraceful. Shameful. Disgusting.
Hillbilly D
December 20th, 2011
1:32 pm
In my opinion, this cheating on tests is like a lot of other things in life, there’s the caught and the uncaught. My guess is the uncaught outnumbers the caught, by quite a bit. In my own community, there were some descrepancies in test results. About that time though, the APS scandal broke and the local problem sort of quietly disappeared. Don’t know if there was anything there or not but it certainly needed looking into.
Lee
December 20th, 2011
1:55 pm
Others have picked up on this comment “…sadly illustrated by a comment made by a teacher who said that her fifth grade students could not read…”.
Most troubling though, is STUDENTS. Plural. More than one and sounds like quite a few, given the context of the statement.
What excuses can these TEACHERS and ADMINISTRATORS give for passing students from grade to grade to grade who cannot read?
A school system where eleven out of fifteen elementary schools, almost 75%, have now been implicated in a cheating scandal. If there ever was a candidate for the state to take over a school system, this is the one.
Dr. Craig Spinks/ Georgians for Educational Excellence
December 20th, 2011
2:02 pm
“Truth is stranger than fiction.”
And my years of experience in publicly-funded education in Georgia lead me to believe that the Truth is going to get stranger- and more embarrassing.
HS Public Teacher
December 20th, 2011
2:03 pm
@shaggy – You simply do not under the culture of being a mere classroom teacher in today’s Georgia education system.
Was the teacher wrong, of course. Should the teacher have done something, most likely. However, here is a reminder….
During WWII there were many Germany military folks that marched Jewish people to concentration camps that eventually became a place where they were put to death. The military individuals knew that the Jewish people were going to die. However, even if they felt strongly that it was wrong, they did it any way. They were simply following orders and doing their job. Were they wrong? Yes.
Sound familiar?
Mike
December 20th, 2011
2:07 pm
Can Governor Deal remove the DCSS Board?
catlady
December 20th, 2011
2:08 pm
Dr. No: Was Ms. Whatley formerly with Dekalb or Dougherty?
And, yes, it is possible to have 5th graders who can’t read. Many come from homes with no literate person present. These kids have had YEARS of extra classes, smaller classes, after school tutoring. They either have not been tested for sped (because the RTI process in our system changes daily–you can’t hit a moving target) or a few were tested but “just missed it.” So what do we do? We pass them on.
Hillbilly D
December 20th, 2011
2:12 pm
What excuses can these TEACHERS and ADMINISTRATORS give for passing students from grade to grade to grade who cannot read?
My own personal feeling is that teaching a kid to read is the most important thing you can teach them. If they can read, they have the ability to learn anything else, if they so desire. When I was in first grade, way back when, the only thing I remember being taught for at least the first several months was how to read and write. Once we got that down, then we started on simple addition and subtraction. Granted we couldn’t have read “War and Peace” but we were on our way. In my opinion, no child should be passed along, until they can read at grade level. Moving them up a grade before they are ready isn’t doing them any favors.
Bloodbike
December 20th, 2011
2:49 pm
If your kids can’t read then its your fault. Period. Why place the burden on the school system, its your fault. How in the heck does your kids go about the entire year with out you knowing something isn’t right? Don’t adults play mind games with kids anymore where you have them read everyday labels or street signs or books? What about reading things on the internet? Sad day in Georgia.
To Bloodbike from Good Mother
December 20th, 2011
3:01 pm
Bloodbike blames parents. Yawn. Heard it.
These kids went to school for six hours a day, 180 days for five years, minimum.
Yet, after 5,400 hours of “instruction” by their so-called “teachers” the students could not read.
What are the teachers being paid for then?
If it is the job of the parent to teach, then teachers need to pay us their salary (which we paid for in the first place.)
Teachers, by vary definition of their title. are paid to teach.
Parents support the teachers by emphasizing what is supposedly learned at school.
Bloodbike, you’re pathetic. You blame parents because you failed to do the job you were paid to do.
Unbelievable.
Dear Lord, I am afraid for America.
HS Teacher from Good Mother
December 20th, 2011
3:05 pm
HS Teacher, how dare you compare your situation to that of the Jews and Germans.
German citizens were threatend with THEIR LIVES if they helped the Jews.
The most you suffered was that someone IMPLIED you MIGHT lose your job.
You can hardly compare the threat of losing a job with the threat of losing your life…
BUT since you brought it up.
Although German citizens were threatened with their very lives for helping the Jews, they did it anyway.
The German citizens risked their lives to help others….and many died for helping the Jews.
Because, you see, they had something you don’t have. They had integrity. They had a consciense.
They were HONEST and YOU are not.
Hillbilly D
December 20th, 2011
3:08 pm
Don’t adults play mind games with kids anymore where you have them read everyday labels or street signs or books?
Most kids now are watching the DVD player in the back seat. We used to do the roadsign thing, etc, when I was growing up. Back in those days, we used to try to spot out of state tags and identify which county a Georgia tag was from. Back then, you didn’t have the county sticker at the bottom, the county was identified by the number at the beginning. Those went in order of population, 1-Fulton 2-DeKalb (I remember when DeKalb went from 3 to 2), etc. The big ones and the ones in our area we knew, the others we had a little chart (don’t remember where we got those), that we could look it up. So if we saw a tag that started in say 75, Daddy would say, “75, where is that at?” and we’d look it up. We counted cows in pastures and all sorts of things. It kept us busy and we had no idea we were being taught but we were.
I agree that parents are a large part of the problems in schools but I honestly don’t know how you make people care about there kids, if they don’t already.
Dreaming of an Orange Christmas....
December 20th, 2011
3:24 pm
…for Sally and Beverly……and their crew of naughty elves.
Lee
December 20th, 2011
3:25 pm
Sorry @Bloodbike, this is one you can’t hang on the parents. The teacher provides instruction, conducts assessments, and signs the dotted line saying this student has performed in a satisfactory manner and should be promoted to the next grade. There are occasions where a teacher recommends to retain a student and a administrator overrides them.
Bottom line, the teacher and the administrator are the ones with the paperwork on the wall that says they will exercise professional judgement in carrying out these duties.
Time for the Professional Standards Board to start yanking teaching certificates, IMHO.
Prof
December 20th, 2011
3:30 pm
@ Lee. This is one where I agreed with you.
HS Public Teacher
December 20th, 2011
3:32 pm
@Lee – Come on now. Do you really feel that any parent would not notice that their child cannot read? Shouldn’t they notice at SOME point during that child’s life?
If you really think the answer is no, they you cannot have a logical discussion….
I am not saying that the teacher is right or okay. We are speaking of parental duties here.
Prof
December 20th, 2011
3:34 pm
P.S. Yanking them for the administrators, too.
NWGA Teacher
December 20th, 2011
3:55 pm
I teach several 5th graders who can barely read. As catlady said, some of them have had years of ESOL and EIP interventions. Their parents don’t or can’t read to them or help them with school work; there are no books in their homes. Some of them are beginning to read for pleasure; however, with every day a reminder of the upcoming CRCT, reading becomes a chore.
I taught my child to read at age four, as my parents had taught my brother and me. I wasn’t a teacher then, but I taught her to read and write, to count, and to do simple addition and subtraction. She attended mother’s day out, nursery school, pre-k and kindergarten. Few of my students have had those advantages. Their parents are exhausted from trying to earn enough to keep their families afloat, disinterested, or uneducated. Many of them don’t care. Many of them care very much, but they don’t have time or resources to help their children. They can’t or won’t help with homework or make sure their kids attempt to do homework. I wish I had an answer.
Can’t I teach them to read? Sure, but not in 55 minutes per day. That’s the most I can spend with any group of students, each of whom has different educational needs.
Mike
December 20th, 2011
3:56 pm
John Barge is 100% hypocrite!
To say this after excusing and ignoring what his Hall County friends and former coworkers were doing by transfering students just days before graduation to improve graduation rates is just wrong. Both the AJC and Channel 2 news reported on.
No honor at all.
I guarantee those high schools in Hall County who raised their rates this way received award and/or money for doing so.
Hillbilly D
December 20th, 2011
4:02 pm
Can’t I teach them to read? Sure, but not in 55 minutes per day.
That’s an interesting point. When I was in first grade, we had one teacher, who spent the entire day with us. We had breaks, recess and lunch, of course, but she could spend as much time as she wanted (or I assume she could, the memory is hazy) on a particular thing. We didn’t have to be up and on to another class, in an hour.
We actually didn’t start to change classes until 6th grade, I think it was.
ABC
December 20th, 2011
4:12 pm
In elementary school you have WAY more than 55 minutes a day with a kid. I’m sorry, but having a 5th grader that CANNOT READ is disgusting. What are teachers getting paid for????
Mike
December 20th, 2011
4:14 pm
Proof of Barge’s blind eye for former system’s manipulations and cheating. What is the difference between doing this and removing students from school roles so their CRCT scores don’t count?
Not a thing.
http://www.ajc.com/news/dekalb/the-transfer-track-on-945991.html
http://www.ajc.com/news/hall-county-students-pushed-960650.html
You can also Google Channel 2 report on Hall County Schools on YouTube for the video. So blatent yet just swept under the political rug.
NWGA Teacher
December 20th, 2011
4:17 pm
ABC, many elementary schools are departmentalized. Students move from classroom to classroom. Their classes are usually 45-55 minutes long. Each of my classes lasts 55 minutes. It is not my CHOICE, it is the schedule. I don’t make the schedule.
irisheyes
December 20th, 2011
4:44 pm
Questions about the the teacher who said her students couldn’t read:
1. Were these students regular ed or special ed?
2. Had they failed the CRCT in previous years and then were passed on by committee?
3. Did she mean that they were illiterate, or were they reading significantly below grade level?
Here’s why:
1. If they were special ed, then they could have been promoted because they mastered the “goals” on their IEP. As a regular ed teacher, I have seen some POORLY written IEP’s. Plus, at the IEP review meeting, I’ve had spec ed teachers tell the parents that the student has met all the goals, when they obviously have not. However, they don’t want the parents to think that they haven’t done their job, so they send the child off to be included in a regular ed class where they are completely unprepared and incapable of doing the work.
2. Teachers do not decide whether to retain a student. It is determined by committee, and an administrator has to sign off. It sounds like this principal was determined that no one would be held back. If he/she was willing to erase wrong answers on the CRCT, what are the chances that a teacher could convince the principal to retain a student, especially in the lower grades when it’s the most helpful? I teach second grade, and here’s what my administrators have told me when I’ve had students I want to retain: “The CRCT will catch them in 3rd grade.” Really?? So, we’re going to let a child struggle through another year doing work that they can’t handle and get more frustrated in the hopes that they’ll fail the CRCT in 3rd grade. AND, if they do fail, they go to summer school where they test prep for three weeks to take it again. Most of the time, if they fail it again, the SST committee will simply determine that they’ve mastered the curriculum and send them on. Now, they are even FURTHER behind. Unfortunately, I can beg until I’m blue in the face, but I don’t have the authority to hold anyone back. (While I’m sure some here would say that I need to try harder, there’s only so much you can do and still keep your job. And while I want the best for every one of my students, I’m also not willing to throw my career away because my supervisor has overturned a decision of mine. Put the blame squarely where it belongs.)
3. I have a hard time believing these students couldn’t read at all. I’m more inclined to believe that they were reading 2 to 3 years behind. Still appalling, but if you want to know how a 5th grader could get to 5th grade while still only reading like a 2nd grader, see point 2.
SOS From Albany
December 20th, 2011
4:58 pm
CAN THE GOVERNOR REMOVE THE SCHOOL BOARD?
Incredulous
December 20th, 2011
5:05 pm
Do you truly believe the corruption, incompetence, mail order credentials, nepotism, and cronyism are limitedto APS and Dougherty? Hence the screen name.
yes i am worried
December 20th, 2011
5:10 pm
Maureen
Were there financial incentives for performance in Dougherty like Atlanta? I can’t imagine there were, but I suppose it is possible.
What do you know about this issue?
Beverly Fraud
December 20th, 2011
5:17 pm
CAN THE GOVERNOR REMOVE THE SCHOOL BOARD?
Barring that, could the governor call a special session to pass a tax break/incentive proposal for any passing asteroids willing to relocate to Albany and Atlanta?
ScienceTeacher671
December 20th, 2011
5:18 pm
@ irisheyes: what are the chances that a teacher could convince the principal to retain a student, especially in the lower grades when it’s the most helpful? I teach second grade, and here’s what my administrators have told me when I’ve had students I want to retain: “The CRCT will catch them in 3rd grade.” Really?? So, we’re going to let a child struggle through another year doing work that they can’t handle and get more frustrated in the hopes that they’ll fail the CRCT in 3rd grade.
And all the research upon which RTI is based says that problems must be diagnosed and remediated very early, or the children will be more likely to need special education services. Doesn’t sound as if that’s working out very well.
Beverly Fraud
December 20th, 2011
5:23 pm
“The CRCT will catch them in 3rd grade.” Really??
@irisheyes, I wonder if you’ve heard the following (or any variation thereof) for 5th grade?
“Send their @ss to middle school and let them FUBAR their scores for a change.”
Hillbilly D
December 20th, 2011
5:34 pm
all the research upon which RTI is based says that problems must be diagnosed and remediated very early, or the children will be more likely to need special education services.
I’m in no way involved in the education system but that just sounds like common sense to me.
Jordan Kohanim
December 20th, 2011
5:37 pm
ST671 says: “And all the research upon which RTI is based says that problems must be diagnosed and remediated very early, or the children will be more likely to need special education services. Doesn’t sound as if that’s working out very well.”
Which is one of the reasons I question its use in high school.
This is so sad, so unfair. I know I’m beating a dead horse, but I don’t understand how adding monetary incentives to test scores won’t just INCREASE these issues.
carlosgvv
December 20th, 2011
6:03 pm
So, what’s going to happen to all those implicated in the cheating? Will they quietly disappear into the woodwork as those in the Atlanta scandal have managed to do?
ScienceTeacher671
December 20th, 2011
6:31 pm
@Hillbilly D, you’ve heard the old saying about “Common sense ain’t all that common”? It goes double when you’re talking about educrats.
@Jordan, yes, using RTI in high school – or middle school, or even upper elementary school – is a total misapplication of the research. Of course, I’m convinced that 90% of those who tout “research-based” solutions wouldn’t know real research if it reached up and slapped them in the face.
And I agree about the monetary incentives.
catlady
December 20th, 2011
6:33 pm
No matter how hard the teacher lobbies, the “committee” always sends them on. We have even had parents request their child be held back, and the principal attempt to deny the request. Of course, usually the parents do not want their child held back. So we have kids who have failed the CRCT EVERY year they have been in school (pretty hard to do, given what a “generous” test it is), with EIP supplementary help in reading and math (for years), ESOL if they qualify, and tutoring every spring before the CRCT, not to mention “summer school” before the second CRCT administration. At what point do we “get it” and figure the child is not able to do the current year’s work, much less the next year? We continue to do endless 3 week plans for RTI, never getting to the bottom of what is the problem for the child.
I believe, in my system, we could decrease the failure rate on the CRCT by a quarter or so BY HOLDING STUDENTS BACK. It would not take long, and those kids who CAN do the work would start to do it. Their parents would become much more active, much more concerned. Still doesn’t help the others, made up of sped, undiagnosed sped, and level 2-3 ESOL kids, but would cut back the numbers somewhat.
I’d like to hear from other teachers, how long is the RTI process in your system? We have to have 12 weeks of unsuccessful Tier 2, then 9-12 more weeks of unsuccessful Tier 3, before any mention of sped testing. By that time, if you get through that, it is “too late” to test. And so, the process starts the next year. Same in other systems?
ScienceTeacher671
December 20th, 2011
6:37 pm
And here’s something about tying test scores to evaluations: one year, one of my classes had the lowest pass rate in the school, and another had the highest. Same teacher, same standards, same methods, class sizes not significantly different. Neither class was SpEd, and neither class was labeled advanced, honors, gifted, etc.
They were two totally different groups of kids, and with the different groups came different dynamics, motivational levels, and skill levels. But should I have gotten a bonus for the high class, or a slap on the hand for the low class? hmmmmmm???
Bewildered
December 20th, 2011
6:42 pm
While it is totally disgusting that a 5th grader can’t read, the fault belongs with the parent (as the primary and first teacher), maybe the school-house teacher, but most definitely with the school’s administration and central office policies and programs, and less we forget–our own federal government! I’ve lived in Dekalb county since the 1970’s, and have witnessed the decimation of this County’s school system. I’ve been employed by the system for the past 12 years, and I can assure you that teachers have no say when it comes to promoting or retaining a student!
Personally, I’d like to see the system (or for that matter, the entire state) adopt a well-researched and documented phonics program such as Orton-Gilligham’s based “Riggs Phonics Program”. This program is based on Dr. Samuel T. Orton’s (neuroscientist) research and findings. His first successful applications went to re-establish language-skills memory in brain-damaged World War I veterans. Other physiological organic or trauma-induced brain-damaged individuals (i.e. stroke patients) were treated similarly until his death in 1948. The program was adopted by Romalda Spalding and The Writing Road to Reading. Using Orton’s methods to teach normal primary students was designed by one of his last teacher-collaborators, Romalda Spalding, who authored The Writing Road to Reading in 1957. She believed that her method represented Dr. Orton’s final conclusions that this method should be used for primary children, both to prevent and correct learning disorders, and most importantly to establish high literacy in virtually all primary children.
No, I’m not a representative of this company, nor do I know anybody within this company; however, I’ve used this program and it most definitely works!! It also works extremely well with the ESOL population (students who currently can’t speak English). I truly believe that if a superb phonics program was introduced–adopted–and utilized (such as the one mentioned), with properly trained teachers of the program, this would go along way towards alleviating the illiteracy within our state. If you can’t read, you’re not going to be able to do much of anything!!
ScienceTeacher671
December 20th, 2011
6:48 pm
catlady, oh yes. I’ve had students who have never ever passed a CRCT but also have never ever been held back. I’ve had parents who said they begged for their child to be retained in middle school because they knew s/he wasn’t ready for high school, but the student was sent on anyway. Have even had a couple of kids who skipped 8th grade entirely, even though they were failing in 7th, because they were “too old” for middle school and so they were sent on to high school.
And we’re on an 18 week block schedule. By the time you get a child, figure out there is a problem and get the RTI paperwork through, there probably isn’t time to do the required 12 weeks of Tier 2, but next semester the child gets a whole new set of classes, which may or may not require the skills the student is struggling with, but in any case, with new classes comes the need for new interventions and a whole new set of record-keeping.
Then, if the child has discipline or attendance issues, which so many do after so many years of struggling and failing, there’s a whole other discussion about whether the problem is the child’s skill level, or the child’s behavior or attendance or….
sloboffthestreet
December 20th, 2011
6:51 pm
I do believe The Doctor Spinks just came out of the closet. And then there is Jordan who is at the crossroads. Now how does one address elementary education failures with a correct solution. Is everyone cheating? Does anyone care?
One would think the people with skin in the game would look to a solution. It dosen’t appear that is the case. Just more ble, bla, blah.
And to think Sonny was the EDUCATION GOVERNOR?
catlady
December 20th, 2011
6:56 pm
Maybe Get Schooled should do an in-depth look at the travesty that is RTI?
Jordan Kohanim
December 20th, 2011
6:59 pm
“And then there is Jordan who is at the crossroads.”
Sorry? I don’t understand your point here. Please explain.
ScienceTeacher671
December 20th, 2011
7:22 pm
catlady, I surely wish someone would.
I think it was designed to keep us from having enough students to make up a SWD subgroup – or at least, that’s how many schools seem to be using it.
gamom
December 20th, 2011
7:37 pm
Shameful! And according to this data sheet from the DOE, they still use Corporal Punishment too! How can anyone trust these folks to do this to the kids? Here is the data sheet from 2010 / 2011 school year….and I even wonder if these numbers are accurate.. GEESH:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aky2EFEwvLAWdGpuUWVqZGNzaDdhWUZkeVowSzdmSUE&hl=en_US#gid=0
gamom
December 20th, 2011
7:39 pm
Well I don’t know why the link didn’t post…trying again:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aky2EFEwvLAWdGpuUWVqZGNzaDdhWUZkeVowSzdmSUE&hl=en_US#gid=0
jdawg
December 20th, 2011
7:44 pm
Once again, what could possibly be the reason these kids in these failing publc schools can’t be taught? It must be the incompetent teachers. I know, we aren’t spending enough money! I know, it’s raaaaaaaaacism! It can’t possible be “The New Plantation” that we have created and nurtured for 40 years. I let a 20 something year old guy try to help me in my yard this summer. I asked if he could weed eat. He said he could, but I literally had to show him everything about operating a weed eater. An hour after starting, he still hadn’t mastered a tool that is not exactly a fighter jet. I realized that not only had he never used one, but he didn’t know anyone who had. We have created something we will not be able to escape. We are going to reap the whirlwind, for the sake of insuring political power and support.
catlady
December 20th, 2011
7:53 pm
SciTch: It has been admitted that it was designed to cut down on sped referrals. Now, it does not cut down on the number of sped kids there are, but cuts down on those who get help. Don’t see how the Justice Dept or EEOC or DOE can approve of it. If you are in fifth grade and read on a grade 2 level THERE IS SOMETHING THE MATTER! And not identifying it really isn’t helping.
Top School
December 20th, 2011
7:53 pm
The cheating runs from top to bottom …side to side…in and out. Cheating on building contracts, fraudulent records for attendance for students and teachers, corruption of misused education funds…and the list goes on and on. The corruption starts in the Business Community and spreads to all those in administrative positions.
And yes, many Principals and teachers are known for changing daily grades or test score grades to appease parents.
The discussion always focuses on the cheating in Standardized Testing…the REAL ISSUE is the illegal ONGOING RETALIATION used to silence anyone wishing to speak up…INCLUDING PAST APS HISTORY of 10+ years.
CURRENTLY,. APS has not removed all those involved in wrong doing.
brad
December 20th, 2011
8:06 pm
The answer is simple. We pay women welfare to have kids and different baby daddies. The kids grow up with no father and a dead beat mom and we expect different. President Johnson’s “great society” should be renamed “the great road to government dependency” and the destruction of this country. Liberalism won and nothing left but to watch the fall out.
High school administrator
December 20th, 2011
8:07 pm
There are kids in high school who cannot read;and they are not SPED. There is enough blame to go around but you would think that any parent worth a dime would know that their child could not read before they got to the 5th grade. Irresponsibility takes many forms. However a responsible parent would be asking questions early and often. I know that I would.
Dekalbite@ Dr. No/Mr. Sunshine
December 20th, 2011
8:08 pm
“The report adds: “Sally Whatley (Former DCSS Superintendent) is ultimately responsible.”
LOL…Dekalb Country strikes again…LOL.”
LOL indeed….
Did you comprehend what you read? Or did you just not read Maureen’s article?
DCSS in this article and every article regarding Dougherty County School System refers to Dougherty County School System (acronym is DCSS). In this article D stands for Dougherty, C stands for County, S stands for School, and S stands for System. Put them together and you get DCSS – Dougherty County School System. Not DeKalb County School System. It’s even stated in this article. Look at this sentence directly quoted from Maureen’s article:
“The disgraceful situation we found in the Dougherty County School System (DCSS) is a tragedy,”
It just seems odd to decry (that means say negative things about it) the educational system when responding to a blog article, and then make a comment that shows you have either:
1. Not read the article
2. Not comprehended the article
Henry
December 20th, 2011
8:11 pm
Judgmental comments throughout the report reflect a lack of objectivity which is itself alarming. The report should have included just the facts and reserved the righteous indignation for others. The investigators put themselves in the role of investigator, judge, and jury.
ScienceTeacher671
December 20th, 2011
8:43 pm
Catlady, if it were used as designed, it might cut down on SpEd referrals, as well as the need for SpEd referrals — but the research says the students have to be remediated before they begin failing and falling behind. A 5th grader (or a 9th grader) reading on a 2nd grade level really isn’t a candidate — or shouldn’t be.
I love teaching. I hate what it is becoming...
December 20th, 2011
9:46 pm
I teach third grade. I had several students come to me this year who were reading on a kindergarten level. They have failed the CRCT every year, but been passed on because (pick your favorite):
1. They are ESOL, which apparently explains away all possible learning difficulties.
2. Their parents did not want them held back and fought against it, so administration decided it was less fuss to push them along to third because…
3. The strategy is to pass them along till they fail the CRCT in third grade, since that is a benchmark year and if they fail, they are supposed to automatically be retained.
4. Previous teachers did not want to deal with the overwhelming paperwork and time consuming interventions and probe-testing that is required to move a child through the evaluation process, so now they all land in my lap.
By third grade, it is almost too late to “teach” reading. Studies have shown that if you do not establish literacy skills by age 8, your chances of reaching that child greatly diminish.
I have taught first and second grade. In those grades, I taught students “how to read.” I spend several hours a day on the nuts and bolts of “how to” make meaning from text… I met with students in small groups, and we broke text down, worked on basic sight word vocabulary, build meaning, studied word families etc.
In third grade, I do not have that kind of time to devote to the mechanics of reading. I am now busy teaching “content”. My students are expected to already HAVE the basics of reading in place in order for me to teach the content I am required to cover. I do not have hours to spend with a handful of remedial readers, teaching them letter-sound correspondence and phonemic awareness.
Thus, my low readers are not only struggling in reading, they are now struggling in ALL academic areas because they cannot read well enough to learn content! I give them the book notes already completed, but they can’t read them anyway! I provide them with content area reading which is at an easier level, but it does not always cover the GPS adequately. I give them basic sight words to learn, but the content text has moved beyond those words, so they don’t get the repetitive practice through content reading that they require.
Trying to get them evaluated to see if they qualify for help or special services requires weeks of interventions and testing for each child. That is individualized testing and intervention two or three times a week for about 5-10 minutes at a time. Multiply that by eight students. That is hours of time I am supposed to find to work “individually” with these students. And when am I supposed to do that? What are the rest of my 20+ students doing during that time? I can barely get though the content I am required to cover as it is!
It used to be I was seen as a professional, and if I said in my opinion that “John Doe” was struggling in my class and I had concerns that he might have a learning difficulty – that and a few work samples would at least get me a hearing by the gatekeepers. Now, I can spend all year putting together a three inch thick file on a child, only to have it tossed out if they child passes CRCT (even if it is read to them as a modification) or if they child is ESOL, or if the parent throws a big enough fit.
Don’t blame the teachers for the non-reading fifth graders. We KNOW what is wrong! We have complained and advocated for our children. Passing children on in hopes they will fail the third grade CRCT is stupid! It is unfair to the third grade teachers who are closely evaluated based upon CRCT scores, and it is terribly detrimental to the children, because by the time they DO fail, they are nine years old, well beyond that window of best opportunity for reading remediation, much more socially aware of the stigma of being retained and deeply entrenched in content area learning – not reading instruction! It is also unfair to parents, who may think their child is doing fine (as they have been promoted each year) and then are suddenly shocked when their child needs to be retained.
We realize the system is failing these children, but the people who seem to care have no power to change anything, and the people who do have the power, don’t really care about what is best for the students. They just want to save money, and make the system look good.
My kindergarten readers have mostly made it to first grade reading levels now…and with the help of our wonderful Title team, Para pros and parent volunteers, we might manage to get them up to second by the end of the year… but they still will have missed most of the third grade content, which will put them even further behind. They will possibly now have enough reading ability to actually PASS the CRCT which will pretty much destroy any chance I have of holding them back to really catch them up. So once again, I face a horrible Catch 22 situation. Should I work like crazy to support these low readers and advance them as much as I can, knowing that all the additional support and CRCT prep will likely advance them just far enough that they pass the CRCT and thus enter 4th grade struggling and behind? Or should I deny them the additional support in hopes they fail CRCT and give me another year to support their academic growth?
Those of you blaming teachers, and asking “why” we can’t teach these children to read, have little idea of the realities we are facing. Sure, I could teach these children how to read…if I had two hours a day just to devote to teaching a small group of them how to read… and did not have 15 other students in my room who need to be taught 3rd grade content.
Eddie G
December 20th, 2011
9:54 pm
All of this gnashing of teeth, and pointing fingers back and forth between the parents, teachers, and administrators………..
All you have to do is look at the demographics. It will tell you all you need to know.
Thee End.
Fed up Sped
December 20th, 2011
9:59 pm
I am a Sped teacher who is living out the cheating scandal. For all of the folks who question a teacher’s integrity walk a mile in our shoes. It starts with innuendos and pressure. I worked at a Title 1 school and was informed that it is too important not to make AYP. I was responsible for the GAA which is the standardized assessment for sped kids who can’t take the CRCT. The GAA is a huge black hole when it comes to manipulation & cheating. It is considered a “gimme” in the AYP formula. In the end I resigned instead of bowing to the pressure. There are those of us who do have integrity though no one seems to be listening. It galls me to walk away from advocating for the “least of these”.
Dekalbite@ I love teaching
December 20th, 2011
10:45 pm
“…Sure, I could teach these children how to read…if I had two hours a day just to devote to teaching a small group of them how to read… and did not have 15 other students in my room who need to be taught 3rd grade content.”
Anyone who says class size does not matter has never taught a class with a substantial portion of students who are struggling in math and/or reading. Lower income Title 1 schools have more struggling students than affluent schools. Therefore, MOST federal funding should be going to lower the class sizes. Title 1 Reading and Math teachers can lower the general level classes during the time reading and math are taught. In addition, they can address struggling learners in small group settings. It’s amazing that DeKalb has so many “coaches” and “coordinators” and other non-teaching personnel. Does your system have a lot of non-teaching “support” and “administrative” personnel who are certified to teach, but do not teach?
DCSS Teacher
December 20th, 2011
11:26 pm
Here in DCSS we have had a Principal who allowed her child to get free lunch and also a School Board Member falsified documents to get her children free lunch. They set the high expectations of a standard of excellence! Yeah us!
Janet
December 20th, 2011
11:27 pm
As a parent (not involved in the education field), I completely agree with the others who say that it is ultimately the PARENT’S responsibility for making sure their kid is learning what they are supposed to in school. I can not fathom the idea of not noticing the fact that my 5TH GRADER couldn’t read. I get 2 working parents are busy, I get that the education of the parents themselves are probably lacking, but still, I really think even the most basic skilled of parents would know something isn’t right after 5 years. A parent should notice something like that… one who cares anyway. Yes, the school cheated and lied and they should be held accountable. No question about that. But the biggest (and saddest) part of all of it is that so many parents are so totally and completely absent from their elementary aged child’s life. I mean, exactly who are raising these children???? It’s certainly not their parents!
PappyHappy
December 21st, 2011
4:26 am
SHAME!
As we lament the latest unemployment numbers we need to ask ourselves the following questions:
*When are we going to fundamentally reform public education where we can produce a workforce who can compete globally?
We have got to get it is gear folks, or jobs are not going to be coming to our shores in the future!
In 1983, A Nation At Risk urgently recommended reforms in education warning “the United States is under challenge from many quarters”. Today we’re at greater risk than ever. The Government Education Monopoly continues to imperil our economy by failing miserably at preparing the workforce. Business increasingly looks for talent overseas. The world’s greatest concentration of PhD’s is in Seoul, Korea and half of Americans can’t even find Seoul on a map.
Downward sloping performance confirms John Taylor Gatto’s thesis in his book Dumbing Us Down and his speeches which charge compulsory government education with deliberately producing robots instead of adults who are the best they can be.
Note the following from a recent op ed in the Washington Post:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/our-unprepared-graduates/2011/09/30/gIQAJGYBBL_story.html?hpid=z3
Just look at our stats in math, science, history, and now geography for 2011! They are pathetic. LEARNING IS HARD WORK! TEACHING IS HARD WORK! PARENTING IS HARD WORK. THERE IS NO COMPETITION IN OUR PUBLIC SCHOOLS TODAY, and results show it! And Gang, what have the unions contributed to the demise of public education????
Chuck Allison
December 21st, 2011
5:02 am
What do the Atlanta and Albany school systems have in common? For way too long, they have been blaming their failures and corruption on standardized tests and government programs that work in other locations. These type school systems will always continue to fail until they realize that they have to stand on their own two feet and measure their own success by the standards used elsewhere. Success cannot be achieved by cheating on the standards or by clamoring to lower the standards just to look good. When you do that, you are only cheating the students in the long run,
Beverly Fraud
December 21st, 2011
5:32 am
“Those of you blaming teachers, and asking “why” we can’t teach these children to read, have little idea of the realities we are facing”
You know something I have NEVER understood. Even IF your child had the “world’s worst teacher” (ex: a teacher who would write “world’s WORSE teacher” LOL) and even IF your child had the unlikely occurrence of having the “world’s worst teacher” 5 times in a row, how could you, as a PARENT, be raising a child who didn’t (barring unusual circumstances) know how to read by 5th grade?
www.honeyfern.org
December 21st, 2011
6:31 am
There are some truths in most of these comments, and many are at fault for failing these kids.
In the end, none of that matters because now we have illiterate 5th graders who will have the nearly impossible task of catching up, not knowing how to read, in a very broken school system that does not have their best interests in mind. and the kids are the ones that have to somehow live with that.
Shameful, in the deepest sense of the word.
shaggy
December 21st, 2011
6:50 am
There is no way in he!! that I would send my 5th grade kid to school….NOT being able to read, and read WELL!
I know, I know…every under(non) performing kid is “challenged”, needs a hug, knows what Kim Kardasian wore last night, and still gets to play sports, even though they can’t freakin read “See Spot run”.
My 5th grader being an illiterate buffoon, would be a direct and irrefutable failure that would be entirely MY responsibility, because I (THE Parent) didn’t MAKE MY KID learn how to freakin read.
NO TEACHER REQUIRED! I GOT THIS ONE!
Ronin
December 21st, 2011
7:07 am
No surprise here. There are probably many more instances of cheating in state district schools, they just haven’t been caught yet. While this may be a controversial statement. Government schools are working just as they were planned. Keep the masses dumb or dumb masses, take your pick. Stupid people are easier to govern. The “process” of government/public education in the state of Georgia is a failure to it’s customer, the children. These same customers who have no power to change the political process for choice in education.
All the politicians and education “experts” talk the talk, yet fail to walk the walk. It’s all lip service to maintain control of the system until the next group of trough feeders can make their retirement date.
Ultimately, it’s the job of the parent to educate their child, not the government.
Mountain Man
December 21st, 2011
7:49 am
“What excuses can these TEACHERS and ADMINISTRATORS give for passing students from grade to grade to grade who cannot read?”
In most cases I think you would find that the TEACHER is all for assigning a failing grade and holding back the student. The ADMINISTRATOR is the one that either promotes the student regardless of the grade, changes the grade hin/herself, or orders the teacher to change the grade so the student can pass. All done at the behest of a screaming PARENT, of course. What I don’t understand is why teachers put up with it. Unfortunately, the good ones don’t – they find a job in private schools or in other fields, leaving only the ones who can’t or won’t find another job left in the public schools.
Mountain Man
December 21st, 2011
7:52 am
I saw a cartoon that said it all – in the 50’s you see the child with a “F” on a report card – the parent is screaming at the child for not making better grades. Cut to 2011, the parent is screaming at the TEACHER for her child not making better grades. It all comes down to the STUDENTS, folks, and their willingness to BE PRESENT (see truancy blog), and WORK at learning.
ScienceTeacher671
December 21st, 2011
8:11 am
Mountain Man, you’ll also find that the elementary school administrators promote students to avoid overcrowding or needing to hire new teachers – can’t have those students who can’t read staying back and filling seats, don’t you know. There are new students coming in each year who’ll need those places. Better to let the middle school deal with them.
Then the middle school administrators send them on because you can’t have kids driving to middle school, and you can’t have the 16 year olds sitting in the same class with the innocent 12 year olds…
Then they get to high school, where they flunk and/or drop out.
Mountain Man
December 21st, 2011
8:14 am
“You mean in FIVE YEARS you cannot teach a kid to read?”
You might if they stayed in first grade those five years. But once they leave, first grade they are expected to know first-grade material and the teachers are teaching (the other 30 students) the on-level material. There is no time to catch that one child up. Or if it is a whole group – do you have the fourth grade teacher split the class and teach fourth grade materials to the real students, and teach first-grade materials to the rest- and have them fail their CRCT on fifth-grade materials?
Cosby
December 21st, 2011
8:14 am
Your Government Schools at work. Time for a “Change”!
Mountain Man
December 21st, 2011
8:17 am
“Then they get to high school, where they flunk and/or drop out.”
Then they go start stealing, eventually get caught, and (sometimes) do jail time. Then it is all downhill from there. That is where the thugs who rob Ga Tech students come from. Keep them in the first grade if they fail first grade. Or bring back summer school, so the kids get intensive learning over the summer to catch up or else return to first grade. Oh, I am sorry, I forgot, that might require paying more money for teachers in the summer. My bad.
bootney farnsworth
December 21st, 2011
8:34 am
time to dump public ed in Ga. and start over.
this system is beyond help
teacher&mom
December 21st, 2011
8:44 am
Those who cheated should lose their certification. Every year before testing, each educator signs a document stating they will uphold the testing protocol. Educators are fully aware that if they cheat, they will lose their certification. This must happen.
While having outside people come in to conduct the testing isn’t a bad idea, it is an expensive idea. We should not divert another penny from the classroom to prop up standardized testing. There are appropriate testing protocols that will help minimize the opportunity to cheat. For example, in my system you NEVER test your own students (CRCT/EOCT/GHSGT).
There are many students who are not on grade level in reading and math. Way too many. Catlady and others are correct that school systems spend a lot of time and money trying to get these students up to grade level. Perhaps the AJC will investigate HOW systems remediate. Which systems do a better job? Which systems rely on computerized or canned programs? What happens when these students are still unable to read on grade level?
The request to look into RTI is also a great suggestion. I was told by someone outside the state of GA, that our state has convoluted the RTI process. I’m not sure if they were correct, but it would be interesting if someone would investigate the process and compare it with other states.
btw: If you decide to investigate and at any time a BOE/DOE official uses the word “differentiate”, please smack them up the side of the head.
April
December 21st, 2011
8:59 am
I don’t know how many of you are familiar with Dougherty County. It is a long way from the suburban Atlanta school systems. First, the parents of the students in that fifth grade classroom can probably not read either. They are incapable of reading an article like the one here or drafting a response like the ones here. The goal of the parent is to have the child reach a level where he or she can go to work in the local fast food restaurant or factory. College or a professional career are not options.
Many of these parents are good, loving parents, but they have no idea how to educate their own children. It falls to the school system, and it is impossible to teach a child everything he needs to know in a few hours a day.
It is perhaps extreme to compare teachers to German soldiers, but there are other similar examples. The racism of the early 20th century comes to mind. I am sure an honest discussion with some of your parents or grandparents would reveal stories when turning a blind eye to injustice was necessary to keep a job or other benefit. It is easy to say what you would do, if you have never been in that situation.
These teachers and administrators were wrong, but it is easy to judge from afar.
Ronin
December 21st, 2011
9:36 am
@bootney: your comment: ” time to dump public ed in Ga. and start over.
this system is beyond help”…. I’m afraid you’re correct. There have to be other public/government education options. Otherwise, the system is too big to change. Yet, not too large to fail at it’s mission.
Oh, and to the Fulton County Board members that denied the Fulton Science Academy because they they want to protect the taxpayers money?, rubbish. The board had to protect their near monopoly on education.
Frankie
December 21st, 2011
9:39 am
I am willing to bet that most of the bloggers have not spent a day in public school helping the teacher seeing what the actual problems are..
YES the system needs to change, some teachers need to be fired….and PARENTS need to get involved.
It is not all on the school system, parents do not spend enough time with there children to know how well they are doing in school.
I am more surprised that the people on this BLOG BLAME the Teacher vs. BLAMING THE PARENT…
Eddie G
December 21st, 2011
9:45 am
April…………cry me a river. Many of those good, loving parents “graduated” from Monroe or Dougherty without being able to read or write on a 5th grade level. Which should be all the more reason that they desire more for their own children. The problem is that a report several weeks ago declared Albany & Dougherty County the 4th poorest area in the nation, and no amount of smoke, mirrors, or pretty signs welcoming folks to Albany can mask the reality that the locals are just lazy, sorry, and inept. Why work to better yourself when the “gubmint” continues to pay you each month to be a sorry POS? Between “gubmint” housing, EBT cards, and welfare checks, they have a pretty good gig going.
Oh yeah…………don’t forget that probably 80% or more of the faculty and staff in the DCSS comes from Albany State. That sums it up quite nicely.
skipper
December 21st, 2011
9:45 am
demographics……………………………………..
Beverly Fraud
December 21st, 2011
9:48 am
Just to piggyback on what Frankie says, what do AOL/Huffington Post headlines scream about Dougherty?
TEACHERS cheated!
Not “educators cheated”
TEACHERS cheated
That speaks VOLUMES about our collective “blame teachers first mentality”
Of course among the early posts were screeds about “the union”…in Georgia. Right. As if GAE and PAGE could strike enough fear in warm butter to allow it to be cut by a chainsaw, let alone a knife.
Frankie
December 21st, 2011
9:56 am
WOW….you people are really condescending in your comments. I am sure I can find a bunch of illiterate adults/children right here in good ole ATLANTA, cummings, forsyth, cherokee, cobb, fanin, pickens, WHITFIELD.
Mountain Man
December 21st, 2011
10:10 am
“Sorry @Bloodbike, this is one you can’t hang on the parents. The teacher provides instruction, conducts assessments, and signs the dotted line saying this student has performed in a satisfactory manner and should be promoted to the next grade. There are occasions where a teacher recommends to retain a student and a administrator overrides them.”
It is more than just “occasionally” that administrators override teachers. One reason is those screaming PARENTS that accost the administrators because their little JohnnY is being held back (even those these parents kept them out of school or allowed them to miss a quarter of the time). Another reason is that ADMINISTRATORS don’t want the cost of sending a kid AGAIN through the first grade to try to teach him what he should have learned the first time.
We need to hold the ADMINISTRATORS responsible and allow teachers to give accurate grading (or we could have outside testing every year with an absolute retain policy if the student does not score in passing range). But the PARENTS have to be responsible and not yell at teachers when little Johnny fails during the year, even though he misses days all the time and he never does his homework. Yell at YOUR OWN KID for not learning the material.
oldtimer
December 21st, 2011
10:16 am
Ronin..So glad to see a comment about Fulton Co. They do not care about the children. They want these high preforming students back in the lousy general education. Parents need to take back the education of their children.
Public schools in many cases are unsafe government indoctrination centers. I know there are good schools and wonderful teachers. We hold teachers accountable, but will not let them do what they know to be best. Every administrator wants to pass the buck on to the next level. It makes them look good. What need to understand these tests are very easy to pass. They are just looking for low level skills. So what are we teaching our kids…hard work does not matter, things will be fixed, everyone is a winner….Sorry it is time to start over.
sst/rti/anykindof helpplease
December 21st, 2011
10:17 am
@catlady – rti takes a whole year out of a child’s life in our system / elementary level – and that is if everything falls into place the first time….and if the teacher has put them on rti for the CORRECT issue (since the requests have to be so specific)
oldtimer
December 21st, 2011
10:18 am
And keep in mind NCLB was begun to end social promotion and ensure everyone was educated. We just never set high goals and made the children accountable for doing their work. Education is HARD.
SOS From Albany
December 21st, 2011
10:21 am
Yes there is a huge demographic problem, but an enterprizing reporter could make a career by looking into DCSS. A few years ago over $2-million was unaccounted for in the lunch program, sexual offenders and drug dealers are working in the system, the milage rate is maxed out, and the dollars spent on a per child basis is near tops in the state.
The board and administration have proven they can not be trusted with money. The citizens of Dougherty County need assistance from the Governor now. Please remove the entire board for the sake of the county. Replace them with hand picked indvidual business people who can cull the administration, then hold elections in two years. Do it and Dougherty County can thrive. Do it not, and these actions will continue.
Dr. John Trotter
December 21st, 2011
10:37 am
Atlanta and Dougherty school systems here in Georgia are, I am afraid, just two tips of the Systematic Cheating Iceberg. I won’t belabor the fact that at MACE we have been pointedly talking about “systematic cheating” for a while now, even before it hit the popular news. In fact, my speaking out on systematic cheating got me temporarily “banned” from one large school systems. (Of course “bans” don’t work with me. Another large system tried to “ban” me in 1997. Both superintendents in these school systems were later forced to step down and fired, with one even being federally indicted.)
A Nation at Risk (1983) has been a nearly 30 year disaster. You cannot mandate school reform nationwide, statewide, or systemwide. No far-reaching school reform has ever worked. Never. Dr. John Goodlad’s mega-study of the studies clearly revealed this even in the early 1980s. (Dr. Goodlad’s findings were published under the title, A Place Called School.) Dr. Goodlad was associated with UCLA. All the hype of school reform is just that….hype. Improvements can indeed occur at the individual school level, with a secure and confident leader who does not suffocate the teachers but frees them up to teach…and supports them in disciplinary matters with the students. © GTSO, December 21, 2011.
Beverly bores me
December 21st, 2011
10:40 am
@Beverly Fraud;Your teachers-are-sainted-victims-and-all-brilliant rants get soooooo boring. Out of the 178 educators named in APS as cheaters, three-fourth were teachers. Get over it. Pretending there are no dishonest or incompetent teachers may play on this blog where so many teachers come to whine, but anyone with a child in public schools knows the truth.
Frankie
December 21st, 2011
10:44 am
Yes there are bad teachers that need to be FIRED, there are bad parents that need to have there chid taken away…but the system as a whole needs to be changed.
I do know that no one looks at the developmental appitude of these kids, Boys at age 7-9 are behind girls of the same age, which plays into their learning ability, but the school system just lumps everyone together as if they are on the same plain….
skipper
December 21st, 2011
10:44 am
Dr. Trotter,
You should be in charge of all public education in Georgia…..and I truly mean this!! My mom was an educator for 35 years and now the teachers have to mess with everything from “sensitivity-training” to being in fear of rowdy students. Give control back to the teachers….it actually would be EASIER to root out the bad ones! And (elephant in the room) look at some of the school-board members that are elected. Many of them could not poor p*ss out of a boot and everbody knows it! Accountability of students, parents and teachers is a must. And quit with the politically-correct time-wasting feel-good remedy of the day. Teachers spend so much time on b.s. stuff that their actual teaching time is limited.
I love the report by Good Mother
December 21st, 2011
11:29 am
I just loved the official report for a lot of reasons. It had great details. I felt like a jury member listening to a witness testify on the stand.
Please read this gem found in the report. The investigators interviewed the teacher, Beverly Knighton-Harris about her students’ performance. Her testimoy and the investigator’s comments had me on the floor laughing. This is better than Court TV.
1. Beverly Knighton-Harris (Teacher)
Knighton-Harris taught first grade in 2009 and was flagged in two subject
areas. She acknowledged that she used facial expressions and voice inflection
when administering the CRCT. She observed that students would change their
answers whenever her facial expression indicated whether the answer was right or
wrong. She claimed that she tried to minimize her tendency to use facial
expressions and voice inflection and that her actions were unintentional –
and the investigators wrote about her response “We find this explanation ABSURD.”
Mwa ha ha.
I loved that part.
Caught red handed, Beverly Knighton-Harris and your lies were quickly seen as transparent as a piece of Saran Wrap.
I love that the report names names and uses quotes.
For this type of crime a public shaming is appropriate. This so-called teacher cheated and lied and lied.
I hope she gets jail time and her teaching certificate goes up in flames.
I hope this is a lesson to all you cheating teachers on this blog. You WILL be discovered. Your crimes will be found out. You will receive the book — the law — and I hope it gets thrown at you. I will personally pay for your orange prison jump suits.
For all honest teachers — I appreciate you. I thank you. You can count on me as a parent to give you my full support, time and energy.
Good Mother
begging for help in Dougherty County
December 21st, 2011
12:51 pm
Send the calvary!
AlreadySheared
December 21st, 2011
1:18 pm
Wholesale, widespread cheating is the symptom. Teachers (and their careers) trapped in the clutches of powerful, unethical, unprofessional administrators is the disease.
To Bewildered from Good Mother
December 21st, 2011
2:24 pm
Thank you for offering a solution to the reading problem. I really appreciate that you are thinking of positive ways to solve a problem. GM
Mountain Man's Dumb Logic from Good Mother
December 21st, 2011
2:28 pm
Mountain Man, sheesh, what cave in Montana do you live in ?
You say “Mountain Man
December 21st, 2011
7:52 am
I saw a cartoon that said it all – in the 50’s you see the child with a “F” on a report card – the parent is screaming at the child for not making better grades. Cut to 2011, the parent is screaming at the TEACHER for her child not making better grades. It all comes down to the STUDENTS, folks, and their willingness to BE PRESENT (see truancy blog), and WORK at learning.”
Mountain Man, get out of your cave and breathe some fresh air and sunshine. Take a walk into the 20th century at least.
Screaming solves nothing. Screaming at teachers or kids does no good. No one solves anything by screaming.
The fact that you would even suggest something like that says a lot about you as well as your other cave man like comments.
To Janet from Good Mother
December 21st, 2011
2:33 pm
Janet, you say “I get that the education of the parents themselves are probably lacking, but still, I really think even the most basic skilled of parents would know something isn’t right after 5 years. A parent should notice something like that… one who cares anyway. ”
Janet, you are making an assumption that parents did not know their fifth grader could not read. No one said that. No one implied that the parents didn’t know. The parents may have known and may be dealing with the situation they best know how.
Remember what ASSUME stands for — When you assume, you make an ASS out of U and ME.
This is particularly true when you assign blame to someone – or groups as big as “parents.”
Parents want the best for their children. We live and breathe for our children. We sacrifice ourselves for our children. I don’t know any parents who aren’t keenly aware of their child’s educational success or failures.
Beverly Fraud
December 21st, 2011
2:49 pm
Today’s MOST uninformed, WILLFULLY ignorant quote, from one Beverly bores…
“Pretending there are no dishonest or incompetent teachers may play on this blog where so many teachers come to whine, but anyone with a child in public schools knows the truth.”
@Beverly bores, please point to a SINGLE statement I have made that said there were “no dishonest or incompetent teachers”
On the contrary, I have made the point numerous times, that once you build TRUST among teachers that evaluation instruments won’t be used in a RETALIATORY manner, and once you improve teaching CONDITIONS, you’ll (hopefully) start to see teachers take a more vocal role in removing the DEADWEIGHT because it will be done in a fair and equitable manner.
Again, point to a SINGLE instance where I have said there are no incompetent or dishonest teachers.
Just as I thought…therefore, you are summarily DISMISSED.
irisheyes
December 21st, 2011
2:52 pm
“Screaming solves nothing. Screaming at teachers or kids does no good. No one solves anything by screaming.”
But it does. When parents come in screaming to administrators about how a teacher has given their child an “unfair” grade, the grade gets changed. Trust me. It’s happened to me.
To Already Sheared Good Mother
December 21st, 2011
3:05 pm
Already Sheared lies and says to us “Teachers (and their careers) trapped in the clutches of powerful, unethical, unprofessional administrators is the disease.”
AS, your lies are transparent. Teachers are not trapped. No one held a gun to their head and made them cheat, lie and steal.
Dishonety is not a disease. It’s a crime.
Beverly Fraud
December 21st, 2011
3:10 pm
“But it does. When parents come in screaming to administrators about how a teacher has given their child an “unfair” grade, the grade gets changed. Trust me. It’s happened to me”
Funny irisheyes, how MISERABLY that fails when momma tries to scream to a landlord, a mortgage holder…or a judge.
You would think THAT would be the lesson parts want to impart, and not “I have no consequences for my actions, because my momma well raise h3ll on my behalf”
adam
December 21st, 2011
3:28 pm
gov nathan dean’s third cousin was a school teacher for two years. therefore, nathan dean is the education governor
adam
December 21st, 2011
3:30 pm
Newt Gingrinch’s fourth cousin was a school teacher for three years in the 1930s. therefore,newt is the education expert and sympathiser
Beverly Fraud
December 21st, 2011
4:03 pm
I’m curious Good Mother, would you just, at the drop of a hat, walk away from the job you spent years invested in, (say for example the year before you became vested) the very job that gives you the FINANCIAL FOUNDATION to be a “Good Mother”?
Beverly Fraud
December 21st, 2011
4:04 pm
I’m not saying these teachers SHOULD have caved in to the pressure, I’m suggesting you don’t disrespect their situation by implying they could just change careers as easily as one changes socks.
Beverly Fraud
December 21st, 2011
4:06 pm
The more POSITIVE, SOLUTION ORIENTED response Good Mother, would be to advocate for policies that would curb administrative RETALIATION, not blithely dismiss their concerns.
AlreadySheared
December 21st, 2011
4:45 pm
@Bev – do not feed the troll. I previously declined to respond to GM’s shrill ad hominem attack and oblivious criticism of my post for just that reason.
Don't Feed the Good Mother Troll
December 21st, 2011
7:09 pm
Good mother is in need of attention that she does not get at home. Poor us!
bootney farnsworth
December 21st, 2011
7:53 pm
I’ve said this before, and it merits repeating here:
want to see the system work with corportate ruthlessness? object to something being done wrong (morally, not functionally incorrectly) or inefficently.
the machine will destroy honest people in the way you wish they’d teach
vigorously, energetically, and without hesitation
Beverly Fraud
December 22nd, 2011
5:56 am
the machine will destroy honest people in the way you wish they’d teach
vigorously, energetically, and without hesitation
But your wrong Bootney. Maureen has stated words to the effect that she has seen few if any instances of retaliation, and that it is by no means a widespread problem, as you claim it is.
If I’m wrong, perhaps someone will show me a quote that proves otherwise
Beverly Fraud
December 22nd, 2011
5:57 am
YOU’RE wrong that is (Good thing about posting at 6:00am-you catch your mistakes before someone else does LOL)
ScienceTeacher671
December 22nd, 2011
7:17 am
Have said before and will say again: The most pervasive and insidious cheating in Georgia comes from the very top with the scoring of these state tests by the GaDOE.
When an 8th grade student who has the reading and math skills of a 4th grader can be pronounced “proficient” by the state, and when a high school student can pass his/her final exam (EOCT) by getting fewer than half of the questions correct, is that not cheating?
It gives students, parents, and in some cases, teachers, a totally inappropriate picture of the skills and abilities of those students.
Is it any wonder that the students need remedial coursework in college?
ScienceTeacher671
December 22nd, 2011
7:18 am
And I think the earlier suggestion of an investigative story about the RTI (Response to Intervention) process in Georgia is a very good one.
SOS From Albany
December 22nd, 2011
8:30 am
Maureen – Can you do a story about the process involved for the Governor to remove an entire board?
Proud Teacher
December 22nd, 2011
9:55 am
Merit pay is only going to make this situation worse. Teachers should not have to continually work under some threat from some faceless entity and be forced to ignore the child and please his dot on a purposeless graph. Everyone needs to remember that education is all about the children. What happened to that?
another teacher
December 22nd, 2011
1:02 pm
I feel for the special education teachers. It really is a lack of support for I.E.P and special accomodations and what do you do once you know that cheating is actually taking place? The other special education teacher resigned. Very few of us, except me, would take that drastic action in this bad economy. You ever heard of Santa Claus?
To Beverly Fraud from Good Mother
December 22nd, 2011
3:48 pm
Beverly, you ask “I’m curious Good Mother, would you just, at the drop of a hat, walk away from the job you spent years invested in, (say for example the year before you became vested) the very job that gives you the FINANCIAL FOUNDATION to be a “Good Mother”?”
I would and I have. I refused to lie on a report, I’ve refused to lie to a client. I’ve had numerous occassions where I was asked to lie and cheat and to cover up someone else’s stealing. I didn’t.
The fact is Beverly Fraud, you want to justify the lies and cheating of others because you yourself have lied and cheated.
It’s as plain as the name of your monniker — Fraud.
Top School
December 22nd, 2011
11:34 pm
I pass to @ Beverly Fraud …since some think @Beverly Fraud , @Dr. Trotter and @Top School are ALL the same person…
@Beverly…I think you get it…and since Maureen is not censoring your posts…keep on posting.
@ Dr. Trotter posts his connections with MACE and ongoing stories of ” I told you so” …And as Top School … I said so…told you so…documented it…said it for the last 10+ years and think the whining is a waste of time.
@ Beverly bores me …
Beverly was seen in a disco in HAWAII dancing the blues away …trying to forget the past year…
see Beverly DANCING at:
http://xmas.coke.com/v/en_EN/#86873661c2660c8d4ccc703a32954b1e62c7a096
Beverly Fraud
December 23rd, 2011
5:27 am
Credibility defying post of the day, by Good Mother
Beverly, you ask “I’m curious Good Mother, would you just, at the drop of a hat, walk away from the job you spent years invested in, (say for example the year before you became vested) the very job that gives you the FINANCIAL FOUNDATION to be a “Good Mother”?”
I would and I have.
Of course you have Good Mother. OF COURSE you have. And we ALL believe you.
“The fact is Beverly Fraud, you want to justify the lies and cheating of others because you yourself have lied and cheated.”
On the contrary Good Mother, I’m VERY proud of the work I have done with Enron, Fannie Mae, and Bernie Madoff.
Tonya C.
December 23rd, 2011
8:25 am
The fact is, this culture of cheating was created of the wreck that is NCLB. It is was anyone with a decent IQ would call unintended consequences. I have worked in a metro Atlanta school system HR department and I can tell you that many have attempted to come forward and were silenced by these school systems. Make an example out of a few and the message will be loud and clear for the masses.
In addition, even if these teachers stood up in masse, would the public have believed them when the scores were great? Would they have really wanted to listen? There is no union here, and the retaliatory nature of the education field is astounding. Unless they had concrete evidence (and some of them have)would anyone have really paid attention? I don’t know…
AlreadySheared
December 23rd, 2011
8:30 am
“… the retaliatory nature of the education field is astounding” – truer words were never written.
bootney farnsworth
December 23rd, 2011
9:17 am
@ Beverley Fraud
when Maureen becomes a career educator, then she can comment with authority on the intimadation and abuse of non political/do the right
thing employees. in well over 20 years in education, I’ve lost count of the amount of people I’ve seen railroaded and destroyed.
she has the right to be wrong, and in this case, is.
the reasons I can’t give any specific examples are:
1) a large amount are tied up in the system and so can’t be publically commented on
2) I don’t have the right to out somebody’s professional issues they are trying to resolve via channels
3) I already have people where I work determined to figure out who I am so I can be dealt with. I’m not gonna help them
Tonya C.
December 23rd, 2011
10:10 am
Bootney:
And when you say destroyed, please stress that you mean Hiroshima-style destruction. They will wipe out all that is good about a teacher’s professional name and make it IMPOSSIBLE to obtain employment elsewhere. Your teaching certificate will become no more valuable than toilet paper. After working where I did, I vowed to never have a government job again, and ESPECIALLY in a school system.
To Beverly Fraud from Good Mother
December 23rd, 2011
11:33 am
Bev Fraud, you crack me up.
I loved your post. Thanks for the laugh.
“On the contrary Good Mother, I’m VERY proud of the work I have done with Enron, Fannie Mae, and Bernie Madoff.”
…and don’t forget your outstanding work at Halliburton
Don't Feed the Good Mother Troll
December 23rd, 2011
12:51 pm
Hey, Beverly Fraud– GM’s post to you at 3:48 pm is exactly the same as one he/she posted months ago to another blogger, “”APS Teacher–Cheater & Proud of It.” He/she just changed the name for the offending “monniker” [sic] to “Fraud.”
There are a lot of GM repeated posts….must have folders of them to use here on his/her computer.
Digger
December 23rd, 2011
11:31 pm
Great work, Don’t Feed. We all know gm is multiple personality. Way to document.
Mac
December 24th, 2011
1:24 pm
AlreadySheared
December 23rd, 2011
8:30 am
“… the retaliatory nature of the education field is astounding” – truer words were never written.
So so true!
Why aren’t people more concerned about the impact on kids from CRCT cheating scandal? | Get Schooled
December 27th, 2011
11:50 am
[...] As we discussed here six days ago, state investigators issued a scathing report on cheating in Dougherty County schools, writing that there was “an acceptance of wrongdoing and a pattern of incompetence that is a blight on the community that will feel its effects for generations to come. This is the Dougherty County School System. Hundreds of school children were harmed by extensive cheating in the Dougherty County School System. In 11 schools, 18 educators admitted to cheating. We found cheating on the 2009 CRCT in all of the schools we examined. A total of 49 educators were involved in some form of misconduct or failure to perform their duty with regard to this test. [...]