Should the FAMU president go in wake of hazing death?

In a family photo, Robert Champion demonstrates the flair that earned him the prestigious drum major role in the FAMU band.

In a family photo, Robert Champion demonstrates the flair that earned him the prestigious drum major role in the FAMU band.

The Florida A&M University president keeps his job, despite a call by the governor last week for his suspension in the wake of the death of a member of the renowned Marching 100 band.

The university’s board of trustees decided today not to take action against FAMU president James Ammons. According to the news story: The university’s board of trustees on Monday rejected a call by Gov. Rick Scott that James Ammons be suspended. “We will stand firm against outside interference, no matter how well intended,” Solomon Badger, the FAMU board chairman, said during a board meeting that was held by conference call.

The parents of Robert Champion, the DeKalb drum major who died of alleged hazing at the hands of fellow band members, are disappointed in the decision.

Experts on hazing said it will not stop without dramatic action by colleges showing that such behaviors will not be tolerated. Certainly, suspending or firing a president is dramatic, but apparently the FAMU board is not yet ready for such a step.

According to the AJC:

“Everyone that’s involved,” Pam Champion said Monday of those responsible for Robert D. Champion’s death. “All the way from the administrator that knew that this culture existed at the school to the organizations, the band, each individual student … everybody that turned their back.”

Robert D. Champion, a 26-year-old drum major for the FAMU Marching 100 band, died on Nov. 19 from hazing during a band trip to Orlando, authorities said. An Orange County medical examiner determined last week that his death was a homicide, while the university’s board of trustees on Monday morning decided not to take action against FAMU president James Ammons – at least until a criminal investigation was complete.

But Robert Champion’s parents, Pam and Robert G. Champion, of Decatur, believe the top is where the problem of hazing begins. “He should’ve had some type of control over the students, the faculty and all the people he put in place to keep those kids safe,” Robert G. Champion said of Ammons. “If he wasn’t on top of what was going on, I feel that appropriate action should be taken.”

“Ultimately, he’s responsible,” Pam Champion said of Ammons. “He’s the head.”

–From Maureen Downey, for the AJC Get Schooled blog

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December 19th, 2011
4:12 pm

Typical. They will work harder to cover his a$$ than they will to root out this vicious and brutal hazing. This school is about as trust worthy as a third world dictatorship.


December 19th, 2011
4:13 pm

So far it sounds like FAMU wants to whitewash this scandal and sweep it under the table instead of owning up to the fact that they have been too incompetent to keep things under control.

gray dog

December 19th, 2011
4:15 pm

Not until they investigate thoroughly. I get a hint that this might be a Georgia High School problem. If He knew nothing about it, why should he be punished?


December 19th, 2011
4:23 pm

Form everything I’ve read, hazing in the FAMU band was an open secret for many, many years. A student was hospitalized as a result of a hazing incidents in the weeks leading up to this death and yet the President took little or no action. Clearly, this situation was handled much like the Penn State scandal, cirle the wagons and stop all incoming fire. Rick Scott is correct this guy should have been suspended if not fired out right.


December 19th, 2011
4:31 pm

Ammons is a great administrator. I am sure if he does leave, North Carolina Central University would welcome him back. He help turn NCCU into the #1 Public HBCU with his leadership and initiatives that increased enrollment and modernization of the campus.

This culture of hazing has probably been there for ions but it appears the students from the ATL area took it to another level. It puzzles me how a Drum Major, the ALPHA DOG of the band, could possibly be the victim of hazing. Something really strange is going on with this ATL crew.


December 19th, 2011
4:40 pm

If this was your job wouldn’t you want to be given a full investigation before your job is taken from you? If he is found guilty, then okay. Let the process work. Maureen, I’m so surprised you have focused some many days on the FAMU story when there is SO much going on locally within our own school systems. Your taking the easy route out. Everyday it seems that one of your diehard bloggers brings up some issue that is not the most “comfortable or easy” topic to be investigated, when will you address those bloggers?


December 19th, 2011
4:46 pm

When will you all get it? This young man was 26 years old. He got on that bus on his own. Face it his played a roll in his own death.

@Gray Dog from Good Mother

December 19th, 2011
4:59 pm

Gray dog says regarding the FAMU president “If He knew nothing about it, why should he be punished?”

Because if he didn’t know about it he ought to have known about it.

This is a typical behavior pattern with those higher ups who do not want to be held accountable.

Beverly Hall, the infamous APS superintendent didn’t want to know about the cheating scandal that she created so she built up a sytem that was meant to protect her. She put the issue down to her assistant’s level so that Beverl couldn’t be implicated in her own scandal she created.

This behavior is very very normal for greedy, unscrupulous persons in high places.

The higher ups in the Sandusky rape scandal at Penn State do the same thing “Huh? I didn’t know about it. Duh, not me either.”

Presidents must create a culture and an environment that seeks out information about hazing. The message must be clear from the President that hazing must be reported and that the President will quickly, with integrity and honesty, immediately rectify wrongs and prevent them from happening in the first place.

The old “I’m at the top and I didn’t know” excuse is lame, tired and completely transparent.

If he didn’t know, it’s because he didn’t WANT to know so that the finger could not be pointed at him.

See no evil. Hear no evil….get fired.

@TRUTH from Good Mother

December 19th, 2011
5:02 pm

Truth lies to us and says “Thiss young man was 26 years old. He got on that bus on his own. Face it his played a roll in his own death.”

He got on a bus therefore he deserved to die.

What terrifies me is that “Truth” is likely someone who will end up on a jury and make obscene conclusions like this one.

For every intelligent person in America, I am begging you, please do not get out of jury duty. When every employed, intelligent educated human being gets out of jury duty, we leave justice in the hands of the imbiciles like “TRUTH.”


December 19th, 2011
5:13 pm

@ Truth is one of the idiots doing the hazing.

Dr. Craig Spinks/ Georgians for Educational Excellence

December 19th, 2011
5:27 pm

FL Governor Rick Scott should have learned a lesson from Gene Talmadge and kept his nose out of a controversy involving a state university.

That said, the FAMU prez, like the PSU prez before him, ought to go.


December 19th, 2011
5:45 pm

Absolutely NO!! FAMU’s president should not be suspended or terminated. Florida’s Gov. Rick Scott was in clear violation of SACS Rules & Regulations for calling for the suspension of FAMU’s Presiden One would think that a governor would be privy to the rules & regulations that govern the universities in his state. Rick Scott has decided to use the Robert Champion tragedy to promote a hidden political & racial agenda. This governor should be impeached for being stupid. No other university in the State of Florida has received this much scrutiny and sensational news reporting as a result of a hazing death. We’re all saddened by Robert Champion’s death and hope those responsible will be punished. However, the FAMU Community must fiercely reject Rick Scott and any other organization from applying double standards on their university. Whenever adult students choose to participate in hazing, they risk the chance of being injured or killed or better yet, they risk the chance of injuring or killing somebody else. These adult students chose to participate in hazing, OFF CAMPUS, UNDERGROUND. We cannot hold the president or the university responsible for that type of non-sanctioned behavior. Everybody should keep an open mind and not rush to judgment until the investigation is completed. Comparing FAMU to Penn State is just silly at best.

The hazing investigation is still ongoing.


December 19th, 2011
5:54 pm

If I can offer any advice to the Champion Family, I would suggest they limit their media interviews until the investigation is completed. I’m not sure who’s advising them, but I don’t believe it’s going to help their case in the long run. That’s just my opinion.


December 19th, 2011
5:56 pm

Ammons knew about hazing in the band (or he was the most inept head they could have had). He did not see that it got stopped. The young man died. EVERYONE in the chain of command, including the VP of Student Affairs, the band director, and the president, should be fired.

And if the FAMU board does not want state interference, well, the state can withhold its money. To give the school money is interference of the worst kind!

I’m guessing NONE of the supervisory adults will be fired, and the race card will be played.

Understanding Atlanta

December 19th, 2011
6:04 pm

We should wait until the investigation is complete. Ultimately, as a student at FAMU I didn’t have to do what President told me. This isn’t high school. As long as you don’t violate the rules set forth by the Board of Trustees in the Student Code of Conduct there’s nothing that can be done.

Secondly, I’m still trying to understand how the university can control an illegal process for an illegal organization. The school cannot control nor punish students for what happens off-campus. Even if you report that something happens off-campus the school can’t officially do much without an investigation from the law enforcement agency that has jurisdiction where the incident happened. Take the Bria Hunter case, the school can’t open an investigation on off-campus activities without Tallahassee PD having started one themselves and suspecting incidents happened on-campus.

The Champion case happend while on a university-sponsored trip. This gives the school liability. Off-campus activities not as much.


December 19th, 2011
6:05 pm

Those who are hazed need to report it. it’s an acceptable ritual, just to be a part of group, be it Greek Pledging, Band or College Athletics. The best individuals to bring light on hazing is those who participate to join. Unfortunately the hazed students will NEVER report it because the desire and need to belong is greater that the hazing they receive.

That being said, hazing is not the issue, but abuse is. I had college insructors who hazed: It was said the only way I get my degree is through them, I had to dance to their tune. That was absolutely inappropiate as I was there to be educated not to play up to instructors. That behavior was hazing as well.

I am not sure that any University\College President who know about hazing woudl approve of it…


December 19th, 2011
6:08 pm

“One would think that a governor would be privy to the rules & regulations that govern the universities in his state.”

Rattler, believe it or not SACS does not make the rules and regulations that govern the universities unless the state ALLOWS it to.

It is really past high time to quit worrying about SACS, and send it packing when IT sticks its nose into state or local education.

Perhaps the parents should sue the trustees individually and personally, in addition to corporately.

And, by the way, Rattler, the incident happened DURING A SCHOOL FUNCTION. The students, no matter their ages, were under the supervision of university personnel. Or not.


December 19th, 2011
6:13 pm

Amen, darattler. I grieve for Mr. & Mrs. Champion. But they should not be speaking publicly so they don’t risk any interests in the criminal and civil proceedings to come.
That being said, I will step out on a limb here. Robert Champion’s horrible, tragic death is part of a huge problem in HBCUs nationally (and many college fraternities, black, white, etc.). Hazing was known to the school AND to the band members for years. Who knows- Champion knew of the culture and participated in it during his tenure at FAMU. Not necessarily by actively participating in the rituals (I don’t know- I wasn’t there), but as a 26-year old veteran and leadership member of the band HE KNEW. He was a participant because he knew and chose to walk the aisle of that bus that night and get beaten. He made that choice. I would never say he deserved it because of course, he didn’t. But he knew nonetheless and chose to participate in it, so while it sounds horrible to say it, he DID play a role in his beating. And I feel awful saying that. He payed the ultimate price for wanting so badly to be a part of something that meant so much to him.
So then the issue becomes how do you radically change a culture that is so ingrained in its very being? Until you do that, Mr. Champion’s death was for nothing, and the abhorrent behavior will continue. My heart go out to his family. But as a 26-year old, he was an adult and part of the organization for some time- he wasn’t ignorant of the band’s practices. He didn’t deserve to die, but come on- nobody forced him to walk that bus aisle. That’s the tragic part. He (and any other member of that band) should NEVER feel compelled to participate in something this stupid just to be a part of that band. It may take a wholesale housecleaning from the top on down to change that culture, sadly.


December 19th, 2011
6:15 pm

Why is nobody talking about the fact that this young man was a willing participant in the hazing? No student is forced to undergo hazing at the schools’s behest. They participate because of peer pressure to fit in. In effect their own inability to say no or risk seeming “uncool” leads to the very behavior that has these parents now threatening to sue. Perhaps if the parents had done a better job with raising a self assured son, this wouldn’t have happened. Just a thought… But of course, parents would never, ever admit that their darling baby did anything wrong…


December 19th, 2011
6:25 pm

catlady – The incident DID NOT happen during a school function. The game was over, the band’s performance was over, the bus was back at the hotel and parked. During Robert Champion’s funeral services, Dr. Julian White said that Robert Champion and the other FAMU drum majors rode back to the hotel AFTER THE GAME, in a limosine. The question becomes; How did Robert Champion end up on a parked bus? Hazing is wrong, but I hope you at least have some common sense.

Oh My!!!

December 19th, 2011
6:46 pm

Mahopinon…while the young man knew of the hazing it certainly doesn’t mean we should jump up and say he deserved it. As a rite of “passage” he knew if he did not go through the rituals then he stood a chance of being ostracized. In this case his age had little to do with the situation. On serveral campuses there are black greek letter organizations that have either been suspended or they have been kicked off the yard for their hazing practices. We know it exists on many campuses. Many black greek letter organizations have adopted risk management policies to limit their liability. Obviously these rouge sub groups are not well organized so I doubt they thought that deeply. The question being raised here is does the president deserve to be let go? I would say yes because if I was FAMU and I wanted to limit my exposure it would be the prudent thing to do. For years PennState officials sat on a ticking time bomb for not doing what was right with their socio-path coach sandusky and now his enablers are going to pay for their lack of actions for many years to come. If the president really cared about the school he would step aside and let the litigation move forward. If he’s found clean then he can come back, if not I’m sure there is another fund raising president that wouldn’t mind living and working in Tallahassee.

Oh My!!!

December 19th, 2011
6:55 pm

da Rattler…you are obviously a proud band alum looking at the defensive stance you take. Hazing exists plain and simple and it happened under Ammons watch. He gets paid the big $$ to make sure his subordinates are not putting the school and it’s students in harms way. It doesn’t matter if Champion was 36, 46 or 106. It doesn’t matter if the incident happend on a plane flying over the campus before the game, during the game or after the game. IT HAPPENED. It doesn’t matter to me because I don’t have a dog or is it rattler?, in this but if iit were my school I would like the prez to sit down until at least the investigation was over thus limiting the school’s exposure.


December 19th, 2011
7:07 pm

If James Ammons had a shred of professional ethics, he would have offered his resignation.

A young man died…unnecessarily. When the civil and criminal trials come, and they will, hopefully James Ammons will be held accountable in a court of law.


December 19th, 2011
7:12 pm

Oh My (or Oh You)!! I’m neither a band alum nor taking a defensive stance. I’m taking a sensible stance. I don’t know about you, but once I entered college, I was expected to make adult decisions and not expect the president of the university to watch over me and control my sex life OFF CAMPUS. University presidents do not get paid to babysit college students. If you cut the fool OFF CAMPUS, that’s between you and the local law enforcement. FAMU is undergoing several political investigations right now. Several news sources mentioned that the band was being investigated for “financial fraud”. Don’t believe that crap. Google Florida’s governor and you will learn that this person has more baggage that a major airline. The last thing the university needs right now is to be without a president during this hazing investigation. Besides, the investigation is incomplete so I think it is silly of us to jump to any conclusions until we get the final results. The majority of FAMU’s stakeholders support Dr. James Ammons and will reject any attempt by the governor or anybody else to use “undue influence” to remove him. Did I make myself clear?

Right Thing to Do

December 19th, 2011
7:15 pm

It is in the best interest of the family and the university for the president
to step down,but the governor of Florida should not make the decision.
I know that the Atlanta Journal Constitution covered a death from hazing
“prank” at the University of Georgia (4/10/2000). Mr. Benjamin Grantham III
unfortunately died from a frivolous fraternity activity, but I don’t know if the
governor of Georgia requested the removal of the president of the University
of Georgia at the time. The issue is not whether the young man was a
“willing participant”,but that the activities are wrong and illegal under Florida


December 19th, 2011
7:15 pm

@ When? – Please keep in mind that during court precedings, all of the evidence (good & bad) is laid out on the table. That includes text messages, witnesses who were hazed, etc. Let’s not jump to any conclusions until we get ALL of the facts in this case. Actually, we think Dr. James Ammons is doing a wonderful job at FAMU.


December 19th, 2011
7:19 pm

yes, the president shouild step down; it is a criminal act and there is no time like NOW for him to man up; its a disgrace that hazing continues anywhere franily; young people have been dying for years from inciedents like these and no one seems to care since it continues. what have we come to sit by and watch this indecent behavior go on just to prove a young person worthty of what? the intetions of cretins? those who haze are indeed cretins; and criminals. go ahead, leave while you are ahead, sir. the buck stops inside your office door. shame on you


December 19th, 2011
8:07 pm

Feed UP

December 19th, 2011
8:10 pm

No, president should not set down. No civil suits either. Did he sign a oontract that he would not participate in the hazing. Was he hanging around just to become head drum major. His death is tragic. He was an adult and made the wrong choice to belong. When are the people who choose to be hazed, gonna be held responsible (Bria Hunter)for their decisions?

Random Thought

December 19th, 2011
8:14 pm

Saying the president of FAMU didn’t know about hazing is like saying Beverly Hall didn’t know there was cheating.

Proud Rattler

December 19th, 2011
8:51 pm

Okay, a little inside information. For years high ranking state officials have made it very clear that FAMU was no longer needed. What do I mean? FAMU was founded under the premise of providing African Americans an opportunity to go to college. Well, now that times have changed (not going to go there) there is no need for FAMU, students can simply go toFSU. Research the constant battles of the FAMU Law school etc. etc. The governor imposing his “opinion” is a set up to what he and many of the “good ol’ boys” wants to happen. Finally, I do grieve for Champion’s family, however I’m not naive in the regard that he was a 26 year old grown man who should have said no. We send 18 year old men and women to war to make life altering decisions, he could have said NO!

Side note: I’m SO sick of hearing about Beverly Hall, I’m not upholding her, she was DEAD wrong however, every interaction that involves an African American does not have to be compared to her.

Buster clown

December 19th, 2011
8:52 pm

This is typical of HBCU’s. There is a public and well known secret of hazing nobody wants to challenge until a death. This has been going on for years with frats, soro’s and other social groups. Some say I won’t haze like I was hazed but end up doing the same thing. Now this trash has filtered down to the high schools. This culture has to change.

Proud Rattler

December 19th, 2011
9:05 pm

Inman Park Boy

December 19th, 2011
9:15 pm

First, what should happen is that the perpetrators should be arrested and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Second, if there has been a tolerance of physical hazing, then leadership changes are in order.

Atlanta Mom

December 19th, 2011
9:20 pm

Firing the President will have no effect on the students at all. Firing the Band Director might.


December 19th, 2011
9:47 pm

Get real! Everyone involved knew initiations like this take/took place. From the poor individual who passed away, to his parents, to the band officials, to university officials. Sadly, someone passed away.

[...] Atlanta Journal Constitution [...]


December 19th, 2011
10:28 pm

I cannot fathom any excuses being made for anyone involved in this case. SOMEONE.IS.DEAD. D-E-A-D. NEVER coming back. Six feet underground, forever. This is repulsive and inexcusable. I hope other HBCU bands are taking note and paying attention.

I agree with whomever state that the band director should be axed.

If they fired the president it wouldn’t change a thing. Sororities and fraternities continue to haze despite deaths within their organizations. As long as there are willing participants who think that it can’t happen to them this ugly cycle will continue.

If (when) the Champion family files suit, guess who is going to have to pay? I feel sorry for any future Rattlers, their tuition will be much more ridiculous than it already is.

bootney farnsworth

December 20th, 2011
12:59 am

nice to see the FAMU supporters giving so much defacto support to black on black crime. good work, guys. fight for the bands right to kill.

seems dropping the band is a good idea. with these attitudes, FAMU will be better suited with a gangsta rap group

instead of a homecoming parade, they can have a homecoming drive by.

bootney farnsworth

December 20th, 2011
1:04 am

up next:

band members didn’t kill Champion, “the man” set it up.

just a thought

December 20th, 2011
2:06 am

This is how the situation at FAMU can be cleaned up immediately. First, you place the band on a 4 year ban from performing. This allows the current band members to complete their studies and move on from the school. Bring in a new director that will build the program from the ground up…stressing excellence while having a zero tolerance for hazing. Most importantly, hire a president that understands his number one goal is providing a safe environment to which students can receive a top notch education. The schools top priority is educating students…anything else (sports, band, etc.) is secondary. FAMU, ignore those who say Champion(or others who allowed themselves to be hazed) played a role in his death. This type of reasoning iswhy hazing still exists.

Hazings, HBCUs and others

December 20th, 2011
2:09 am

Yes, the FAMU president should go. As someone wrote earlier, these higher-ups know what their school’s culture is–hazing, cheating, sexual abuse, etc. No more excuses from Penn State, from Bev Hall, from FAMU, from others. This guy should not be dead. Murder at the hands of his bandmates.

Hazing occurs in other institutions, too, but it is very popular in black schools, the HBCUs. which are in trouble. Take Morehouse for instance: enrollment is way down. the ‘men’ had to be told not to dress as women on campus, our provost was recently demoted, our CFO recently fired, we had to settle a lawsuit with the feds recently. All under current administration. Why isn’t the AJC writing about all that? protecting the prez? Protecting the AU Center? Why? Don’t let me get started on how we feel about the FL here. It’s a mess here at “The House.” Pres. Mays must be rolling in his grave.

Stoned Mountain

December 20th, 2011
2:27 am

You fire the FAMU administration on whose watch this terror occurred, you clean house as proof you value life and order over jobs, and make way for new leadership to assure the university community and future generations of students you mean business — ad that it is a new day. BOTH COACH PATERNO AND PENN STATE PRESIDENT GRAHAM SPANIER WERE FIRED AT THE SAME TIME..


December 20th, 2011
6:10 am

Let me tell you something and I really don’t care who I offend. The HBCU Fraternities and Sororities need to stop following you know WHO!!! You need to RESPECT and REPRESENT the history of these societies and what they meant to our communities. There was no hazing in the Fraternities or Sororities 1919. You plead to get good grades and help by providing service to your communities. Wake UP!! I just told a young person who is planning to plead to look up the history of the group see what they have accomplished in our communities, see if they have reached back to help other receive an education, see basically WHAT DO THEY STAND FOR IN THE 21st CENTURY!!! Enough with getting rid of the University President, it is time for our future leaders to take the responsibility for their action and STOP! This is NOT what formed our respected and envied Fraternities and Sororities!!!

HS English Teacher

December 20th, 2011
6:35 am

Why do ANY students submit to hazing? Until students themselves refuse to participate in such practices, no administrator is going to be able to stop it from above.


December 20th, 2011
7:25 am

@HS English Teacher – Thank you! The only people that can stop hazing are the students. The only people that can stop crime are the criminals. It doesn’t matter who occupy the president’s seat or the chief of police seat. Dr. James Ammons should remain president of FAMU unless the investigation proves otherwise. The investigation is ongoing.

Students, stop the damn hazing (hazees & hazers).!


December 20th, 2011
8:28 am

rattler, until the students were returned to the University campus, it was a trip under the auspices of the University. Yeah, students signed waivers, but any law prof will tell you those won’t hold up. So the supervisors and the University are liable. Higher ed law class would tell you this.

Now, reading bout this, I wonder if it was really hazing or if he was being punished, and got a beat down for that. Not that it matters now. It seems it was thugs looking for an excuse to beat someone up–a sad commentary on the band members. I have to wonder about their ties back to the Dekalb bands. Glad Dekalb is looking into it; I hope they have someone credible doing the investigation.

As to hazing, I cannot think of any rational person who would be willing to be beat up to be part of a group. My three kids would have told someone to go jump if they had been required to do that to be a member of a group. There is this thing called Personal Pride.

I do think the band should be disbanded, the band director and his subordinates fired, the VPSA fired, and the president fired. In 5-6 years, start all over again, making sure every single person knows that if there is another incident of hazing with injuries, the band will be shut down forever, and those in the chain of command fired. The current president and band director have proven themselves to be ineffectual, at best, and do not need to continue.

And, no, I don’t think anyone is out to close down FAMU. For one simple reason: do you really think FSU would be willing to take on all those African American students? While FSU has been aggressive in recruiting black students who can walk and chew gum (I worked in admissions and I know the different standards applied to black applicants vs. white applicants), they would NEVER want thousands more black students on the FSU campus. Period.

Stoned Mountain

December 20th, 2011
8:29 am

You can ban from the campus any student organization guilty of hazing offenses, as universities have done many times over the last 100 years. Very simple. Control of dangers to students is the job and responsibility of the school president.


December 20th, 2011
8:33 am

Hazing has been going on forever. When i was in high school in the sixties you had to grit your teeth and go through a pyramid of getting beat with a paddle till you bled,eating raw eggs, dropped off in the middle of nowhere blind folded and freezing temps. All of this to join the m club or the key club which was made up of straight A students and our leaders of tommorrow. My point is hazing is
nothing new it is part of ecucation. Get over it!


December 20th, 2011
8:39 am

@darattler….I was in agreement with some of the things you said, but you lost me when yuo said that hazing OFF CAMPUS is not the responsibility of FAMU administration…
Champion was killed on A CAMPUS, (albeit not FAMU’s) so the fact that assault/hazing took place on that campus makes it the Presidents issue.

Accounability rests with our young adults…they are the ones who can stop hazing (assault if you will). I am not sure when hazing was established, but having gone through it Iunderstood some aspect of the mental challenges, but not the assault portions. I was smart enough to know if it got to much to walk away at age 20.
do we hold gang members to a different standard..If a 26 year old joins a street gang and in order to become the “Alpha Dog” and he does not survive the process and he dies, is there a difference in the situations..other than this Street GANG were seeking a college degree. There are criminals in jail with college degrees….
Whether it is a Fraternity or Not hazing at this stage of the game should be abolished..
I do not thing the presdient should be fired because of a ROGUE organization that did everything underground..If you look at the presidents responisbilities, he watches over and works with the FRaternities and Sororities in order to eliminate hazing. Had this been one of those groups that this had happened to then YES he should have been fred. But this group (GANG if you will) is just like a street gang that “beat in” or “beat out” one of its members.
If he does not weed out the menbers of this group and remove them from campous then yes….FIRE him, FIRE him, FIRE him….