AJC wants to talk to Tech students and parents about safety

With another mugging of a Georgia Tech student Sunday night, that campus seems a target for crime. AJC news writer Bo Emerson is looking to speak now to Tech parents and Tech students. Please contact him via e-mail or call him at 404 526-5445.

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catlady

October 31st, 2011
11:21 am

Georgia State students have also been targeted.

Vontorious

October 31st, 2011
11:39 am

It’s time for Tech and GSU to begin long-range planning to relocate both campuses outside the city. It will be an expensive proposition but we cannot continue to expose the students to this kind of danger indefinitely.

Dr NO / Mr Sunshine

October 31st, 2011
11:43 am

Agreed Von. Atlanta has become nothing more that a cesspool, the detroit of the South chock full of govt employee incompetence and stupidity.

The sooner these schools relocate the better off everyone will be. And they should relocate to avoid the Fulton, Dekalb and City of Atlanta tax net.

Prof

October 31st, 2011
11:49 am

On both campuses, it would seem that the students need to observe some common-sense safety precautions in their urban setting.

The Georgia Tech crimes seem to be mostly perpetuated on students out and around that neighborhood at 9 pm or later. The latest took place at 12 a.m.

The Georgia State crimes seem mostly the snatch-and-grab variety: the student is talking on a cellphone or smartphone while walking on the street when it’s grabbed. Or using a laptop in a public area when it’s suddenly taken or demanded. Don’t they notice someone nearby acting suspiciously? Would they walk down the street flashing dollar bills?

Students need to remember that the city-life surrounding these urban campuses isn’t the same as the rural small towns or the suburbs they may come from. Think defensively.

KMHSmom

October 31st, 2011
11:59 am

Relocate?! Really? How about just enforce the law? Step up patrols. Add more GT cops and other security guards. The thugs will move on if the pickin’s are slim and they know they will likely get caught.
I want to know why the students and parents have not raised HE11. This problem is solvable!

student

October 31st, 2011
12:00 pm

I’m happy to reach out and give my point of view on this. I’m emailing Bo now.

student

October 31st, 2011
12:01 pm

I am also against this relocating idea! The suggestion is ridiculous in my opinion.

resno2

October 31st, 2011
12:03 pm

offer them all a CWP, and a free course on how to use it.

HS Public Teacher

October 31st, 2011
12:04 pm

The AJC needs to stop trying to soil the name of GA Tech. It seems that any chance they get, they will say something negative about the Jackets.

The problem is NOT specific to the Tech campus. The problem at its core is lack of police work and the criminals. It is only a symptom when a Tech student is the victum.

Also, the crime is not just on campus or just against Tech students. Crime overall has increased in Atlanta.

Leave GA Tech alone!

Really?

October 31st, 2011
12:05 pm

Any idea which element is responsible for these attacks?

HS Public Teacher

October 31st, 2011
12:06 pm

Relocate? Seriously?

There are many many colleges in major cities. To name a few: Temple, New York University, Harvard, University of Penn, and many others.

Should ALL of them relocate out into the farming communities? LOL!

HS Public Teacher

October 31st, 2011
12:07 pm

@Really?

I can answer that one! It is the criminal element!

Really?

October 31st, 2011
12:09 pm

Criminal element? In Atlanta? Come on!

student

October 31st, 2011
12:09 pm

It is Atlanta, there will be crime. I think students are probably targeted because (1) many walk around with headphones in their ears, so they can’t hear people approaching them from behind, (2) students are easy to spot, and usually have a cell phone, laptop, etc with them, and (3) they are most likely unarmed, as it is against campus policy to have weapons.

Dr NO / Mr Sunshine

October 31st, 2011
12:17 pm

student

October 31st, 2011
12:01 pm

Well when you get shot by one of these muggers then dont start crying and bellyaching about it.

Consider yourself warned.

Dr NO / Mr Sunshine

October 31st, 2011
12:19 pm

The only thing good about GA Tech was M J Pippins, which is no longer around. :(

carlosgvv

October 31st, 2011
12:28 pm

High crime rates came to Atlanta years ago and are here to stay. Common sense should tell you all the talking in the world will accomplish nothing. It’s time for Tech to find another, safer location.

Really?

October 31st, 2011
12:33 pm

Also being near the ghetto, USC has the same problem. You practically have to zig zag across campus.

Lee

October 31st, 2011
1:02 pm

How about exercising a little common sense? Last victim was walking alone at midnight in Midtown – not on the Ga Tech campus.

Unfortunately, a couple times a month, the AJC reports one of student mugging/robbery stories – and the time of the incident is usually the same, late night/after midnight.

HS Public Teacher

October 31st, 2011
1:07 pm

@Lee -

Yes. But, the AJC will report the story as “on GA Tech campus” even if the student was not on campus…..

Things that make you go hummmmmmm.

student

October 31st, 2011
1:09 pm

@Dr NO

Wow. That’s nice of you to say.

LOL

October 31st, 2011
1:18 pm

@Lee

Engineers have no common sense to exercise.

skipper

October 31st, 2011
1:29 pm

Call it what it is…….a bunch of rotten crooks/thugs that are the SCUM of the earth. Maggots who prey on others, then scream “discrimination” when the hammer goes down……….see the descriptions of the perpetrators!

SoLongGone

October 31st, 2011
1:29 pm

What’s the ratio of crimes occurring in the midtown area to all citizens compared to those actually involve Tech students on or adjacent to campus?

Dr NO / Mr Sunshine

October 31st, 2011
1:52 pm

student

October 31st, 2011
1:09 pm

;)

Ole Guy

October 31st, 2011
1:59 pm

Stand by one…what ever happened to some good ole fashioned self defense? News of the most-recent attack indicates that the attacker may have been/was armed with (shudder/zounds!) a sharp object…I would have made the sob eat his sharp object. Many years ago, during my wild and wooley college days, I foolishly stumbled into a few wrong places. During the course of one particular attack, I handed the sob, nearest to me, his eyeball. I don’t like hurting people, as much as they may warrant a good helping of pain, but ya gotta do what ya gotta do. If one insists on presenting oneself as a target, one should not be surprised when one receives a facefull of poo poo…one must take the RESPONSIBILITY of being prepared to administer the poo poo when needed.

Prior to doing the Joe College scene, many of my generation had received a coupla doses of hand-to-hand combat training; a few of us had the pants-pissing experience of applying our training in close combat. In combat, one is always on “high alert”…in the low key, hair down college environment, one’s attentions focus primarily on sex, studies, sex, and booze…and where the next hot meal is coming from. IT IS EXTREMELY HARD TO “FLICK THE SWITCH”…to shift from law-abiding citizen to “hair on fire animal” in .001 second…BUT IT’S A GOOD PRACTICE TO CULTIVATE IN ALL YOUR ACTIVITIES.

These local punks WILL continue attacking the easy prey which students seem to have allowed themselves to become. It is ONLY when these punks start facing DETERMINED resistance, and a little pain when this crap will subside. Outside of combat operations, I never carried a weapon (perhaps a foolish act of over-confidence); perhaps this might be a consideration for today’s college students (personaly, I do not recommend this course of action, UNLESS the student is WELL-TRAINED and FULLY AWARE of legal ramifications.

Bottom line: Today’s student MUST learn to develop a sense of CONTROLLED FURY…the mental conditioning to 1) maintain situational awareness AT ALL TIMES, and 2) be always prepared to “flick that switch”.

Despite what one may wish to believe, we live in a cruel world: we face ever-escalating costs, we lose jobs, we are obliged to endure (what may be deemed) unfair situations, etc…LEARN TO FACE LIFE’S ADVERSITYS HEAD-ON…stop complaining, stop cowering, and, when life demands, face life B _ lls to the W _ ll.

Inman Park Boy

October 31st, 2011
2:00 pm

My twenty year old is at Georgia State, and I have some of the same concerns. Say what you want about the “safety” of the downtown, mid-town areas, parents worry. Whny do we need Curtis Sliwa’s group at Five Points? Why can’t the Atlanta police clean that mess up??? Get off MARTA sometime at Five Points Station. You have to hold you breath.

Dr NO / Mr Sunshine

October 31st, 2011
2:05 pm

Ole Guy is correct. If someone throws down the gaunlet then sometimes ya just have to pick it up and go for broke.

I wont bother with regaling you all with a story or two…suffice is to say…”one must take the RESPONSIBILITY of being prepared to administer the poo poo when needed.”

Ole Guy

October 31st, 2011
2:17 pm

In reviewing some of these comments, the over-riding theme seems to be one of passivity; of escaping an unpleasant situation rather than approaching the issues directly. Is there a possibility that one may sustain a gun shot wound? Certainly! That very real possibility exists whenever one dares venture out the front door. It’s all an attitudinal thing…if one LOOKS (in life) like easy prey, life will swaller’ em’ whole. I see it all the time…people (particularly younger people) sauntering about as if the entire world is gonna look out for their best interests. Pull them gd head phones off; look like you’re going someplace with “extreme intent”…not simply wandering into the firing range; look like an animal on the prowl; someone who’s not to be _ ucked with. AND TAKE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF PREPARING YOURSELF TO BACK IT UP!

Sam

October 31st, 2011
2:52 pm

People who blame the victims of these crimes are morons. Either Atlanta has the political will to enforce the law and protect students who go to in town schools or eventually these schools and their students will have to do something different. Crime is not unavoidable but it’s a serious problem. it will take serious work to protect these kids.

MA

October 31st, 2011
4:06 pm

Common sense here people….Don’t be out late at night by yourselves!!!!

GRD

October 31st, 2011
4:17 pm

I had a daughter at GT for fours years with no problems. Yes, there is crime in the big city. Use common sense. They aren’t targeted because they’re students. They’re targeted because they are out alone walking the streets at night. Really, people?

JK

October 31st, 2011
5:11 pm

The crimes committed at urban schools, such as own GSU and Tech, are no more common or serious in nature than those committed in presumably safe “college towns,” i.e. UGA and UF. These safe, suburban schools most often experience student on student crime, generally in the way of assault against women and theft. I have worked at both a major suburban campus (where ‘Do not walk on this path after sundown,” signs cover half the beautiful Florida campus), and at GSU. I feel safer at GSU, even when walking after dark, thanks to the campus police. Simply put, college campus are dangerous places and moving them will not change that. The only real answer is to educated students/employees in common-sense safety and defense, maintain a vigilant police force and system of justice that makes a crime not worth committing.

mountain man

October 31st, 2011
5:56 pm

I don’t accept that the rate of crime is the same at Georgia Tech and surrounding area as at UGA and its surrounding area. Prove it! Atlanta needs to step up and start incarcerating criminals for more than a couple of months for an armed robbery. Robbery involving a gun should net 25 years to life!

Prof

October 31st, 2011
6:06 pm

@ Ole Guy, 1:59 pm and 2:17 pm. Females too?

Reader

October 31st, 2011
7:09 pm

@Really: Your comment indicates you’ve never actually been on the USC campus right?

All these calls to relocate are laughable, people have no clue what they are talking about. Think Yale will relocate out of New Haven?

Ole Guy

October 31st, 2011
9:19 pm

Why not, Prof? The whole “attractiveness” of victims is 1) they look like victims; 2) they behave like victims. These punks are cowards…the moment they perceive the message that “Hey MF, you done _ u _ ked with the wrong Marine”…they’ll realize that “Hey, this prey ain’t gonna be easy”; “I just might get hurt by this crazy _ it _ h”.

I don’t know what the hell’s wrong with young folks today. They whine an’ cry the moment the poo poo hits the fan…”Times are tough…waa waa waa”…”The bad people are pickin’ on me…waa waa waa”…ad nauseum. What ever happened to the will to not only survive but to conquor and prevail? JHC, when is this younger gen gonna stop sucking their collective thumbs an’ start kickin’ six? It is THEY who will, in the not-too-distant future, have to take the ball and run with it…are they gonna gasp an’ drop to the deck? I sure as hell hope not…for MY sake, and for the sake of my generational contemporaries. Are WE gonna have to hold their I-pod stuffed hands and run block for em’ till they’re 50? I sure as hell hope they find THEIR own answers…WE found ours…WE interupted our youth for a few years before we could continue our lives. GET WITH IT YOU CRY BABIES!

Teacher Reader

October 31st, 2011
9:24 pm

My husband and I attended universities in large urban cities and the people that had trouble were the ones who were not paying attention and aware of their surroundings and usually out late by themselves. Hello, you’re in the city. Use caution and common sense. No matter how large the police force, if people do stupid things, the criminals are going to find ways to take advantage of the situation.

mountain man

November 1st, 2011
6:22 am

If students have to limit their activities to daylight hours because they built the university next to a slum, then the university needs to move. Get it the hell out of Atlanta! Or bulldoze the slums out of existence. Or (heaven forbid) patrol every street with police with authorization to use deadly force. And when you catch these criminals, for heaven’s sake, put them away for a LONG time. What happened to the three strikes and you are out law?

Dr NO / Mr Sunshine

November 1st, 2011
10:12 am

“I don’t know what the hell’s wrong with young folks today. They whine an’ cry the moment the poo poo hits the fan…”Times are tough…waa waa waa”…”The bad people are pickin’ on me…waa waa waa”…ad nauseum. What ever happened to the will to not only survive but to conquor and prevail?”

The punks these days are raised by their mommys to be punks and tattletales because he daddys that are around seem to be pretty much spineless.

The no bullying laws, classes and all that crapola.

Then you have people like Mr MultiLateralist Bill Clinton, then Hillary “its not fair” Clinton, Mr “Im gonna level the playing field and spread your money around” Obama….etc.

We have all these hineywiping liberal crybabys bellyaching over BS and the stupid public buys into it.

WHINERS!!

student

November 1st, 2011
10:27 am

The crime on campus is not bullying. It’s legitimate crime…I’m not sure why this got turned into calling these students “whiners.” I’m sure you wouldn’t be thrilled to be mugged.

Prof

November 1st, 2011
10:59 am

@ Student. Good arguing and use of logic. I hope you’re in one of my classes.

Remember that it’s always easier to sound like the tough guy who never gets pushed around, even if “one may sustain a gun shot wound,” when one is safely sitting at one’s computer typing away.

Dr NO / Mr Sunshine

November 1st, 2011
11:14 am

You mixed up the apples and oranges their, student.

Ole Guy

November 2nd, 2011
1:07 am

Prof, I don’t know what your experiences are, or if you have been so fortunate as to lead an uneventful life…and that’s perfectly fine. In you business/your profession, there is the position of emeritus. During my collegiate years, I learned a great deal from these fine people…they had REAL WORLD EXPERIENCE from which to draw REAL WORLD APPLICATIONS to the problems and scenarios which life presents. I am quite certain a professor emeritus…one with a great deal more experience in the field than the traditional classroom prof…would quickly issue a “GO TO HELL” to anyone who equates REAL LIFE EXPERIENCE to the “safety of sitting at one’s computer…”.

As an “oldster”/a self-annointed statesman of sorts, I take a great deal of interest and genuine concern in the development of those who follow in the footsteps of my generational contemporaries. I have been, and continue to be involved in many programs and activities whose primary objectives center on the passing along of time-proven values. One of those values encompasses just how we “walk through life”…how we tell the world WHO WE ARE, WHAT WE ARE, AND WHAT WE STAND FOR. If we go through life “head down”, crab-walking along life’s paths of uncertainty and travail, we should not be surprised when we find ourselves “being eaten alive by life’s predators”. This truism exists within the animal kingdom’s survival of the fittest rule…the weak fall by the wayside so that the strong might prevail (Darwin was no fool. A sense of fair play and good will did not enter into his “equation of life”).

Student, I sympathize with the plight which is yours. Your generation is quickly discovering that Momma’s not always gonna be there to chase away the goblins, rub your tummy, and get out the milk an’ cookies while she wipes away the tears of fear and trepidation. My generation faced many of the very same challenges which exist today. Both my Dad’s gen and my gen faced the added “concern” of participating in war. When those, in whom you place the expectation of wisdom, dismiss words of guidance as coming from “the safety of one’s computer…”, you would do well to consider the sad fact that these trusted mentors can be FULL OF SH _ T!

Apparently, Student, you take issue with the “whiners” tag. The myriad obstacles you face…and those which you WILL face…are YOURS, and YOURS ALONE to solve. You (generationaly) may elect to look back upon your predecesors, the problems they faced, and the solutions they came up with…some worked well while some failed miserably. The task is ALL YOURS to weigh what works, what don’t work, and come up with the answers, OR, you can whine, complain, and expect someone else to take Momma’s place. It’s all up to you, Student.

Prof

November 2nd, 2011
11:42 am

@ Ole Guy. “Words of guidance” from a “a self-annointed statesman of sorts,” eh? Why do you think a modern-day student you’ve labeled a “whiner” is going to listen to you?

The fact remains that you’re sitting at your computer typing these brave words for others to follow, just as you were earlier exhorting Georgian teachers to form (illegal) unions.

Be humble, and learn from the other bloggers here what life TODAY is like.

Ole Guy

November 2nd, 2011
7:12 pm

Prof, I would imagine the younger generation(s) look to you for just a little more than acceptance of status quo. From what I see in these comments regarding the myriad ills within the education camp, I am struck with the unmistakable notion that 1) complaints seem to be the order of the day with absolutely no viable alternatives which might yield the fruits of actual accomplishments. One would certainly hope this entire blog venue is not reserved strictly for the “nice people” who speak only in soothing tones; my honest opinion…far from being “humble”…is that there is very little to be learned from most comments which seem saturated with nothing but complaints, whining, and woe-is-me commentary, sprinkled with the occasional mindless insult one would expect from within an elementary school playground.

I know exactly what life is like today. I’ve been obliged to drag my six through one helluva lot of life’s “mud”. I’ve gone from (so-called) corporate row, to “the tool box” and back to “suitland” many times. The reason for this lies in my flexibility, psychologically, to ADAPT to life’s swings; the “high tides and the low tides of life’s adventure. Through it all, I have had far more than good cause to whine and complain. I learned, long ago, that whining, complaining and feeling sorry for self accomplished exactly NOTHING. Those who read my words have two options: 1) Completely ignoring my words is certainly one course of (in)action. Gold does not always come wraped in the sweetly-scented container of kind words, OR 2) Learn the meaning of INTROSPECTION. We don’t always get what we want when we want it. One of the toughest things we can do is…BE TOUGH ON OURSELVES. Do not interpret this as “beating up” on self (there’s plenty of folks in this world more than willing to take on that task), but simply coming to grips with self.

That which I enjoy today has not been handed to me. I AM humbled by the realization that life’s accomplishments can be extremely fleeting. It is for this very reason that one must develop a “bulldog mentality” (nothing to do with UGA)…when life kicks one in the six, one is well-advised to “kick back”. Therefore, another attitude worth grasping is TENACITY.

Call these BRAVE WORDS if you will, Prof. They are no more brave than the admonition to get the hell out of the shark-infested waters of defeatism. Prof, you (and your students) can take it or leave it.