Breaking news: Georgia Supreme Court strikes down Charter Schools Commission in 4-3 vote.

Pro charter school forces plan a rally tomorrow but the Supreme Court ruling will cast a pallor over the event. (AJC photo)

Pro charter school forces plan a rally tomorrow but the Supreme Court ruling will cast a pallor over the event. (AJC photo)

In a long-awaited ruling released this morning, the state Supreme Court struck down a state commission that could approve charter schools over the objection of local boards of education and direct local funding to the schools. The vote was 4-3.

“No other constitutional provision authorizes any other governmental entity to compete with or duplicate the efforts of local boards of education in establishing and maintaining general K-12 schools,” the opinion states. “By providing for local boards of education to have exclusive control over general K-12 schools, our constitutions, past and present, have limited governmental authority over the public education of Georgia’s children to that level of government closest and most responsive to the taxpayers and parents of the children being educated.”

The decision is a major victory for school systems and local control but a setback to the burgeoning charter school movement in Georgia. Unclear is the fate of the charter schools approved by the commission, some of which are operating and some of which planned to open this fall.

The ruling has no impact on the 160 charter schools that were approved by local systems, only those 16 approved by the state Georgia Charter Schools Commission:

They include the Georgia Cyber Academy, Georgia Connections Academy, Cherokee Charter Academy (the county’s first charter school), Provost Academy Georgia, Heritage Preparatory Academy, Chattahoochee Hills Charter School, Atlanta Heights Charter School, Fulton Leadership Academy, the Museum School of Avondale Estate , Peachtree Hope Charter School, Coweta Charter Academy at Senoia, Heron Bay Academy, Pataula Charter Academy, Ivy Preparatory Academy in Norcross and the Statesboro’s Charter Conservatory for Liberal Arts & Technology

Charter schools receive public funds to operate under a board-approved charter, or contract, that spells out a plan for improving student achievement and provides benchmarks for measuring this improvement on a five-year time line. If those benchmarks aren’t met, the school is supposed to close.

Up until two years ago, school boards in Georgia had primary power to veto or promote charter schools, but lawmakers felt that the school boards were hostile to charter schools and turned down strong applicants. So, the General Assembly created a commission that not only could approve charters, but redirect monies so that the schools receive their share of local dollars.

And that was the issue that is before the Supreme Court after seven systems — Atlanta, DeKalb, Candler, Coweta, Bulloch, Gwinnett and Griffin-Spalding — sued to have the state law that created the Charter Schools Commission declared unconstitutional. The systems lost their case in Fulton County Superior Court a year ago, but appealed to the Supreme Court in October. (Not all the systems were part of the appeal to the high court,)

The Supreme Court focused on two issues in its ruling: Does the state constitution give the state the right to create charter schools over the objection of local boards of education? The state argued for a broad definition of state-sponsored “special schools,” which have historically been limited to the state-run schools for the blind and deaf. The second point of contention was whether the seven-member Charter Schools Commission was a device for the state to divert local money to charter schools.

In its decision, the court sided with the systems, but now the question is what becomes of the charter schools already approved by the commission. Please note, the majority of charter schools in Georgia were approved by local boards of education and are not affected by this court ruling. This ruling is limited to the 16 approved by the now defunct commission.

However, in the larger picture, the decision ruling undermines the charter movement as it returns control to local boards and reduces the flow of dollars to charter schools approved at the state level.

The state Board of Education can still approve charter schools that were rejected by local boards, but those schools get only state money, no local funding. Consider that local systems provide on average about 45 percent of what it now costs to educate a child. So, it’s a dramatic drop if a charter school loses its local dollars. Without that local funding, it is unlikely that the commission charter schools can pay their bills.

So, will local boards of education step in and “adopt” those schools to maintain the stream of local funding?

The problem is that some of the charter schools approved by the now illegal commission are regional, and thus would require several school boards to “adopt” them. They are the most imperiled by this ruling.

According to the court’s statement this morning:

The Supreme Court of Georgia has struck down as unconstitutional a 2008 Act that authorized creation of a new kind of state charter school called “commission charter schools.”
With today’s 4-to-3 decision, the high court has reversed a Fulton County court decision and ruled in favor of local school boards, finding that the state-established schools authorized by the 2008 Georgia Charter Schools Commission Act do not fit the definition of “special schools” as envisioned in the state Constitution.Under the current Constitution, which voters approved in 1983, local school boards have exclusive authority to create and maintain K-12 public education, Chief Justice Carol Hunstein writes for the majority. The Constitution only allows the state government to create “special schools.” Yet in the 2008 Act, the State authorized the “Georgia Charter Schools Commission,” whose members are appointed by state officials, to approve petitions for a new type of general K-12 public school known as a “commission charter school.”

“Because our constitution embodies the fundamental principle of exclusive local control of general primary and secondary (“K-12”) public education, and the Act clearly and palpably violates Art. VIII, Sec. V, Par. VII (a) by authorizing a State commission to establish competing State-created general K-12 schools under the guise of being ‘special schools,’ we reverse,” the 24-page majority opinion states.

Charter schools are a relatively recent phenomenon, according to briefs filed in the case. The first opened in 1992 in St. Paul, MN. Georgia’s first, Addison Elementary School, opened three years later in Cobb County. In general, charter schools receive public funds but are not subject to all the rules and regulations that apply to other public schools. Rather, they are held accountable for producing academic results, which are laid out in a performance-based contract, or “charter.” Georgia law in 1993 authorized existing locally-controlled public schools to convert to charter schools and permitted the creation of “start-up charter schools.” Both are now referred to as “local charter schools.” In 1998, the Georgia legislature amended the statute to authorize the creation of state charter schools that are approved by the Georgia Board of Education. In 2008, the legislature passed the Georgia Charter Schools Commission Act, creating the “Georgia Charter Schools Commission” and “commission charter schools.” (A footnote in today’s opinion states that “state chartered special schools” established by earlier legislation are not at issue in this appeal, and “we intimate no opinion as to their status under the 1983 Constitution.”)

In this high-profile case, seven local school districts – Gwinnett, Bulloch, Candler, DeKalb, Atlanta, Griffin-Spalding and Henry – sued former state Superintendent Kathy Cox, the Department of Education, the Charter Schools Commission and three charter schools approved by the Commission. The school districts challenged the 2008 Act claiming, among other things, that the Georgia Legislature lacks constitutional authority to create the “commission charter schools” because they are not “special schools.”

In May 2010, the trial court ruled in favor of the charter schools on the constitutional claims and dismissed other claims. The judge found that the Act is constitutional and that commission charter schools are “special schools.”

Today’s opinion reverses that decision. The Georgia Constitution states that, “[a]uthority is granted to county and area boards of education to establish and maintain public schools within their limits.” This language, the majority opinion states, “continues the line of constitutional authority, unbroken since it was originally memorialized in the 1877 Constitution of Georgia, granting local boards of education the exclusive right to establish and maintain, i.e., the exclusive control over, general K-12 public education.”

“No other constitutional provision authorizes any other governmental entity to compete with or duplicate the efforts of local boards of education in establishing and maintaining general K-12 schools,” the opinion states. “By providing for local boards of education to have exclusive control over general K-12 schools, our constitutions, past and present, have limited governmental authority over the public education of Georgia’s children to that level of government closest and most responsive to the taxpayers and parents of the children being educated.”

The current Constitution also states, however, that “[t]he General Assembly may provide by law for the creation of special schools in such areas as may require them…” At issue in this case is whether “commission charter schools” qualify as “special schools.” Today’s majority opinion says they do not.

“As the language in the Act and the record in this case reflect, the commission charter schools established by the Commission pursuant to the Act are created to deliver K-12 public education to any student within Georgia’s general K-12 public education system,” the majority opinion says. “Commission charter schools thus necessarily operate in competition with or duplicate the efforts of locally controlled general K-12 schools by enrolling the same types of K-12 students who attend locally controlled schools and by teaching them the same subjects that may be taught at locally controlled schools.”

Conditions existing at the time of the adoption of the 1983 Constitution “reflected that ‘special schools’ were those that enrolled only students with certain special needs, e.g., adults, deaf or blind children and those that taught only certain special subjects, e.g., vocational trade schools with jobs-oriented curricula.” The consensus among the drafters of that Constitution was that special schools “were indeed those schools that enrolled only students with certain special needs or taught only certain special subjects,” the majority opinion says. The late House Speaker Thomas B. Murphy, who was a member of the Select Committee on Constitutional Revision, said in reference to the special schools provision: “The reason for this paragraph in the Constitution is it allows the General Assembly to establish schools for the blind, deaf, or people of that nature.”

To interpret “special schools” under the Constitution “as including those schools that are indistinguishable in every constitutionally significant manner from general K-12 schools established and maintained by local boards of education would render the ‘special’ in ‘special schools’ meaningless,” the majority states.

Today’s opinion concludes that, “[t]he record establishes uncontrovertedly that the Georgia Charter Schools Commission Act and the schools established thereunder represent the efforts of well-intentioned people, motivated by their genuine concern over the current condition of this State’s general K-12 public education, to provide the children of this State with an alternative and, in some cases, a superior educational opportunity. In holding the Act unconstitutional under the unique provisions of this State’s Constitution, we do not in any manner denigrate the goals and aspirations that these efforts reflect. The goals are laudable. The method used to attain those goals, however, is clearly and palpably unconstitutional.” Joining the majority are Justices Robert Benham, Hugh Thompson and P. Harris Hines.

In a dissent, Justice David Nahmias writes that “[c]ontrary to the majority’s untenable opinion, the 1983 Georgia Constitution does not prohibit the creation of the Charter Schools Commission or commission charter schools.”

Calling the majority’s reasoning “illogical” and its conclusion “overbroad,” the dissent says that today’s ruling effectively abolishes not only commission charter schools as unconstitutional but also the “state chartered special schools”  created by the Charter Schools Act of 1998 and “any other ‘special school’ the General Assembly might dare to create.”

“Today four judges have wiped away a small but important effort to improve public education in Georgia – an effort that reflects not only the education policy of this State’s elected representatives but also the national education policy of the Obama Administration,” says the 75-page dissent. “That result is unnecessary, and it is unfortunate for Georgia’s children, particularly those already enrolled and thriving in state charter schools.  It is equally unfortunate for this Court’s reputation as an institution that fairly and accurately interprets the law and exercises the judiciary’s most awesome power – the power to nullify laws enacted through the democratic process – only when that result is clearly and palpably dictated by our Constitution.”

References to “special schools” first appeared in Georgia law nearly a century ago. “What is notable about all of these references – by the General Assembly, the Justices of this Court, and the Judges of the Court of Appeals – is that they all equate ‘special schools’ to schools or school systems established separate from the statewide, county-based common school systems,” the dissent says.  “Not once is there a suggestion that a ‘special school’ is defined by its students or curriculum.”

“The ordinary meaning of the constitutional text, its context and history, prior usage, and basic language and logic all support the conclusion that ‘special schools,’ as that phrase is used in the 1983 Constitution, are simply individual public schools that are created by the General Assembly separate from the general county and area school systems,” the dissent says. “Special schools certainly may include schools for students with special needs, like the existing area schools for blind and deaf children, and schools that teach special subjects, like vocational trade schools. But the Legislature’s authority is not limited to creating those two types of special schools.”

The majority’s “assertion that ‘local boards of education’ were given exclusive authority over public schools under our constitutions beginning in 1877 is simply inaccurate,” the dissent says. The 1877 Constitution contains no mention of local school boards, which are not mentioned until the 1945 Constitution. Furthermore: “The General Assembly has created schools and school systems independent of the common county systems since the early years of this State, and the 1983 Constitution restored its power to create such special schools (but not school systems) without any local system approval or participation.” Local school boards have never had exclusive control over general K-12 public education, “because that control has always been shared with and regulated by the General Assembly and, since 1870, by the State Board of Education and State School Superintendent as well,” the dissent says. “The majority may be able to change our law, but it cannot change our history.”

The majority’s concern that commission charter schools duplicate the efforts of local school boards in creating general K-12 schools is also misplaced, the dissent says, given that less than 1 percent of the state’s nearly 2,300 public schools are commission charter schools, state charter schools established by the 1998 act, or area schools for the deaf and blind.

The dissent says “[t]he majority is cagey about exactly what it is holding.” The majority argues that commission charter schools cannot be considered “special schools” because they do not differ in their student bodies or curricula from general public schools. Yet, “there are very few public schools that enroll a student body consisting only of girls, like Ivy Prep,” one of the three charter commission schools being sued. “If such an obvious factor as gender does not differentiate a student body, then what factors do?” the dissent says. “The majority does not say.”

According to the majority, the baseline to which a “special school” must be compared “is not the average or ordinary local school in Georgia but any local school that exists or might ever be created in our State – that is, any school that ‘local boards of education are also authorized to create,’” the dissent says. “Indeed, in rejecting the suggestion that a state chartered school’s unique operating charter is relevant, the majority says that, like the children in Lake Wobegon, in Georgia no public school is average.” The majority’s conclusion that a special school “must enroll students categorically different from those at a locally controlled school or teach subjects wholly unlike those that may be taught in locally controlled schools,” renders the Constitution’s special school provision “a dead letter,” the dissent says.

In conclusion, the dissent says that “the policy position that the majority of this Court reads into our Constitution today contravenes the education policy established by both our State’s Republican Governor and Republican-majority General Assembly that passed the 2008 Act and our nation’s Democratic President and the Democratic-majority Congress that funded the ‘Race to the Top’ Program from which Georgia has received $400 million in funding, in part due to the State’s multiple charter school authorizers.”

Judges have no special competence in education policy, and “litigation is ill-suited to gather the sort of information and make the sort of nuanced and balanced assessments required for good social policy,” the dissent says. “Courts should strike down education-related legislation only where the Constitution ‘clearly and palpably’ prohibits the policy determination at issue. That is not the case here.”

“But the policy debate and the political process no longer matter,” says the dissent. “The majority of this Court has announced the new policy and removed the issue from the political process, unless the General Assembly and the people of our State bear the delay and enormous burden required to correct the Court’s error through a constitutional amendment.” Joining the dissent are Presiding Justice George Carley and Justice Harold Melton.

Justice Harold Melton writes a separate dissent “to emphasize the fundamental principles at play in this case.” He writes that “even under the majority’s faulty constructs and its incorrect definition of ‘special schools,’ these principles, which the majority fails to apply, require a finding that the Charter Schools Commission Act of 2008 is constitutional.”

“Two bedrock rules of statutory construction govern in this matter,” his dissent says. The first is that “we must presume that the statute is, and was intended to be, constitutional.” The second is that short of a claim that the statute improperly impinges upon a First Amendment right, such as free speech, “the statute cannot be struck down unless it is unconstitutional in all of its applications….”

As to the first principle, even a cursory review of the Act supports the presumption it is constitutional, this dissent says. For example, in provisions related to cosponsors, the Act suggests that cosponsors should be sought out to maximize “access to a wide variety of high-quality educational options for all students regardless of disability, race or socioeconomic status, including students who have struggled in a traditional public school setting.

“Even if one applies the majority’s definition of ‘special schools’ as those that ‘enrolled only students with certain special needs or taught only certain special subjects,’ these provisions unequivocally support a conclusion that the Act was not “unconstitutional,” the dissent says.

As to the second principle, “it is untenable to argue that the Act is unconstitutional in all of its applications or lacks a plainly legitimate sweep.” The existence of Ivy Preparatory Academy, an all-girls charter school and one of three sued by the local boards, “proves that the Act meets the majority’s constitutional test, as it has been properly applied to create a special school.”

The Georgia Legislature “created a law to provide for special charter schools to enhance our educational system, and it included evidence on the face of the statute supporting such a constitutional intent,” the dissent says. “Nevertheless, the majority looks beyond this basic principle to reach a result that simply cannot be explained in the context of the applicable law and the undisputed facts.”

Attorneys for Appellants (school districts): Michael J. Bowers, T. Joshua Archer, Joshua Moore, Thomas Cox, Gerald Edenfield, Susan Cox, Charles Aaron, Timothy Shepherd, A.J. Welch, Jr.

Attorneys for Appellees (charter schools): Bruce Brown, Jeremy Berry, E. Claire Carothers, Thurbert Baker, former Attorney General, Dennis Dunn, Dep. A.G., Stefan Ritter

–From Maureen Downey, for the AJC Get Schooled blog

259 comments Add your comment

Rod Johnson

May 16th, 2011
10:05 am

To “Tired”: Spot on post there. It all starts in elementary schools….which are complete, miserable failures that only teach to the Lowest Common Denominator.

We need to move past the error, er, era of ” Don’t Hurt The Child’s Self Esteem” liberalism and return to teaching the 3 Rs.

As every adult in this thread knows, “reality” does not give a crap about your self esteem. It’s time our kids learn that, same way we all did growing up.

Tired of Poor Education

May 16th, 2011
10:07 am

To Rod: I am right there with you…

SenoiaDawgs

May 16th, 2011
10:15 am

So for all of the arguments posted here today I have one real life example and the effect of Charter schools. My daughter who attended a public elementary school in Coweta hated Kindergarten solely because of her teachers. There is a long list of reasons and every single parent of this teachers class was reporting the same thing. This teacher was 2 years from retirement and had nothing left in her “tank” but riding out the days until retirement. All but 1 student in that class chose to have their child attend Coweta Charter Academy in Senoia. These students all first graders now, have excelled at CCA and show a genuine love for school now. It’s amazing how hiring qualified teachers can have such an impact.

To the poster that mentioned CCA and it being run by a Florida company that is for profit and making it sound like a bad thing, there are businesses all over the world that are in business to make a profit. CSUSA obviously has their act together or they would have already folded as a for profit company. I dread the thought of my daughter going back to our district school and pray there is some way that the expansion of CCA continues and the doors remain open.

Lenny

May 16th, 2011
10:16 am

Ed, of course I know politics are involved. There are few things left where politics are not involved, especially in institutions administered by elected officials. But, local communities can vote board members out of office who are anti-charter school. Just because a local school board denies a charter doesn’t always mean it is antagonistic to the charter school movement as a whole. Some charters are denied because the applicants have not done their due diligence to ensure all of the requirements for starting a school have been met. For example, Coweta County is listed as one of the systems involved in the law suit, yet they have one of the most successful, if not the most successful charter school in the state and nation, the Central Education Center. Just because a charter is denied doesn’t always mean there is a nafarious reason behind the decision. If there is, then the people in the affected community should vote new board members into office.

Philosopher

May 16th, 2011
10:16 am

@Rod Johnson: While I disagree that all the teachers are lazy , 6h -a-day … I do agree that PTA nothing but a tool for fundraising- there is absolutely no parent-teacher function there. The name should be the Parent Fund-raising Association. Boy, was I surprised when I became a parent and discovered that I had no avenue at all to discuss any issues that I had..and that this is absolutely intentional. No ear to hear when my son could read before kindergarten and I asked for books for him to read while she was teaching the alphbet ( I don’t have time for “extra stuff’). Absolutely no ear to hear when a teacher deemed my daughters’ skort too short without measuring and 75.00 worth of skorts needlessly to waste. No ear to hear when my daughter’s book bag was so heavy it threw her over backward- (’ a rolling book bag would get in the teacher’s way”) No ear to hear when bullying was a problem (”we have never witnessed those behaviors”). No ear to hear when the kids were not allowed to go to the bathroom (all day long) and I had to stop on the way home from school so she could go. And that doesn’t even touch the educational concerns, (kindergarten worksheets handed out for busy work in a 10th grade English class.). Watching the movie made of a book instead of reading the actual book… Is it any wonder parents who cannot afford private schools are trying to find alternatives??

Local School Board Supporter

May 16th, 2011
10:17 am

Bottom line is this: You cannot divert public funds for schools under the pretense of being chartered when it is really a private effort. The court ruling was correct, whether most of you want to hear it or not. If Georgia is such a rotten state when it comes to education, then make a decision! Your options: Move back to where you came from or move to another school district.

Archdawg

May 16th, 2011
10:19 am

Charter Schools have been a very positive factor in the re-population of much of DeKalb County and the City of Atlanta. They provide an alternative to expensive private schools or the failing local school systems. The overall property tax receipts have increased over the last decade due to a increase population in the Urban Metro core and increasing property values resulting from the growth and development. That has created more revenue to share with the entire Public School systems including Charter Schools (although the recession has hurt tremendously). Everyone has benefitted, the tax money that is being ‘diverted’ to Charter Schools likely would not have existed without this growth. This is not an isolated phenomenon either, it has happened in most Urban centers across the country. This is one reason why many leaders in political circles, both left and right, support the Charter School movement.
Opponents of the Charter School movement can’t get past the fact that they are giving up some of their control. If they effectively kill Charter Schools in Georgia you will see a reversal of the Urban Growth that has been so positive for the Core Metro area. Residents with school age children will begin to relocate back to the outer suburbs in search of better schools, leaving behind vacant houses left to be sold cheaply or rented lowering all property values (even more) and reducing the tax rolls.
As a parent of a soon to be school age child in East Atlanta/Grant Park I am currently facing the ‘School Dilema’ that everyone in our peer group is struggling with; Charter School, Private School, or Move. If the choice of Charter School is taken away then my options are either find an affordable Private School or move away from the City of Atlanta. Since my water bill is outrageous, my property taxes very high, and crime is still an issue the idea of paying for private school is not very palatable.
So go ahead and cut your nose off to spite your face, just don’t expect everyone to stick around and live with your decisions.

Educator for Life

May 16th, 2011
10:19 am

This is pathetic. Who cares how the schools get chartered? If they work, they work. If not, close them and move on. I just don’t understand Georgia. Why in the world would a charter school open under the local board anyway.? Isn’t that the reason for opening? If I want to do differently than Clayton, Cobb, DeKalb, Fulton, and Gwinnett, why would I want to be under their umbrella? Come on man!

Rod Johnson

May 16th, 2011
10:21 am

To “Philosopher” – PFA – Parent Fundraising Association…..hey, I like that – it’s 100% accurate.

Those in this thread who’re preaching “More Parental Involvement” clearly have no idea what they’re talking about. Wife & I have been trying this tactic since kindergarten and have gotten nowhere. Thus our rush to try to get our kids out of the failed school system they’re in and into a charter school. If public schools were as awesome as some of you are trying to make them out to be, why are thousands of parents seeking to leave???

Find the root of the problem

May 16th, 2011
10:21 am

Once again, if people did their research and understood that our educational system began this “downward spiral” when laws were passed to mandate funding (and a lot of of it) to special education. How many private school have special education programs? Even in cases where a family can get a public voucher for a private education when their child has unique special education needs (which I support), they have difficulty finding a private school who will accept their child.

The inclusion movement has really slowed the development of educating those students who are “in the middle” because they often are grouped with students who have accomodations. The teacher can only move the class so fast so if a child has “finished their assignment” but you have a few students on accomodations needing two extra days to complete their assignment, then the rest of the class has to “wait and suffer”. Then boredom ensure, etc. etc. Teachers/schools do not want to be sued for not meeting a child’s accomodations. Stand alone classrooms are no longer accepted so you will continue to see a great amount of $$ and teacher time being spent on a student that is less likely to go to college or trade school than being put on a student who has the ability to further their education. This is part of the reason parents have become frustrated with public education and I don’t blame them.
Antoher part has been the ESOL funding and the mandate to educate every child whether they are here illegally or not. I understand that it is better to have a child in school than not, but when my child’s teacher has to spend more individual time with a student who can not speak or read English instead of the rest of the class, who benefits the most; the child who can not speak English.

It is plenty of frustration and blame to pass around but no one wants to say, hey, let’s start grouping these kids by ability. Hey, let go back to self contained classrooms for special needs students. Hey, lets create a school or charter school where the majority of non-English speaking students attend during elementary school. Although they will not be popular at first, they would produce some positive results for all students if implemented correctly.

Teacher Reader

May 16th, 2011
10:23 am

Anger and sadness is how I feel right now. Our children are the losers in this. Many of our public school systems are failing our children. Too many of our children aren’t receiving an education. The reason that most charter schools are not approved by the county school system is fear of the charter school offering a better education than they can for a lot less money. You see most public school systems, or at least DCSS, has lost it’s focus on educating the children who live in the county and instead focus on the jobs that the district can create.

This is a sad day in Georgia, and one that has cemented my thoughts to homeschooling. Hopefully that won’t be taken away next.

Write Your Board Members

May 16th, 2011
10:23 am

Archdawg

Most charter schools in the city of Atlanta are not part of this ruling as they were approved by the local school board. This ruling does not impact NCS or other area charters.

As to the Avondale community, they tried for years to work to improve Avondale Elementary. This is a school that has horrible leadership and unbelievable teacher turnover. I do not blame them one bit for forming this school. On the other hand, Heron Bay was a joke.

Local School Board Supporter

May 16th, 2011
10:28 am

When you moved to Atlanta, did you not know about the school system? When you moved to Atlanta, did you not know about the high taxes, screwed up water system and HIGH crime? So when you decided to have children WHILE living in Atlanta, what did most of you think ….Atlanta was going to magically change over night? Young Gentrifites who moved into the city of Atlanta knew the risks and now want to whine and complain about a school system that doesn’t work for them all of a sudden.

Find the root of the problem

May 16th, 2011
10:30 am

Georgia, already the bottom of the barrell, took a huge step back today. Good job idiots! Enjoy your constitution, hope it’s worth more than the education of a few thousand kids!

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Get the constitution changed.

Rick

May 16th, 2011
10:31 am

Dunwoody Mom,

Many of us don’t have the quality of schools that you no doubt have. My wife and I have lived in Grant Park for 14 years. Loving our neighborhood, after having 3 kids we decided to stay because a charter elementary (NCS) and middle school (ACMS) were established. Those two high-achieving schools have become the anchors of our community and have helped stave off white flight and suburban sprawl. Our kids are thriving in a TRULY diverse and educational environment, and we have a real community because of these schools.

Charter schools do not cost taxpayers any more than traditional schoold do. In fact, believe it or not, charters in the City of Atlanta are alloted less $ per student than are traditional schools, and thus are forced to do more with less.

Georgia, already the bottom of the barrell, took a huge step back today. Good job idiots! Enjoy your constitution, hope it’s worth more than the education of a few thousand kids!

Dunwoody Mom

May 16th, 2011
10:35 am

@Rick – if you are referring to the “Neighborhood School”, this was a charter school that was approved by APS. The decision to allow this was done at the “local level” – which is the argument at the heart of this controversy.

bob leblah

May 16th, 2011
10:35 am

Can someone enlighten me to how students get in to charter schools. Is it is a lottery or is it based on merit? Other factors?

Archdawg

May 16th, 2011
10:36 am

Local School Board Supporter,

I moved to Atlanta because as an Architect I believe in the quality of life that an Urban City ‘CAN’ afford. I want Atlanta be be better than it is currently, and I’ve worked throughout my career to make it better. In my opinion Charter Schools are part of that solution.
Your comments underly your attitude perfectly though and I thank you for letting everyone see your thoughts. You really don’t care about the quality of the Educational System as long is it is under ‘your control’.
What I’m saying to you is that if you want to keep that control no matter the cost don’t complain when Atlanta once again returns to it’s Pre-Olympic days and you have even less money to spread througout the schools system, the police force, water system, etc…

Derrick

May 16th, 2011
10:37 am

Dunwoody Mom: I understand your point, and sympathize with your position. The answer to your question, though, is that your kids have access to a quality (or at least passable) public school whereas the kids in Avondale do not. Most of the population served by Avondale and Midway Elementary schools simply could not afford to pay tuition as you suggest. I called charter schools an imperfect option because ideally everyone would have access to quality public education. Reality is different, however. Under the circumstances, I have little sympathy for residents of areas served by above-average public schools who complain about divergence of tax dollars. If those of us in other areas are forced to send our kids to private schools, we are still forced to fund your child’s public education.

N GA Blues

May 16th, 2011
10:37 am

What I have not yet seen anyone mention is that in many of the RURAL counties, a school chartered by the local board simply isn’t feasible. I live in a county with fewer than 5,000 total public K-12 students— and there is ONE traditional private school. Without public virtual charter schools that only require Georgia residency (not residence in a specific county), my public options will effectively be reset to ZERO.

Dunwoody Mom

May 16th, 2011
10:40 am

@Derrick, but you want me to pay to have other students have opportunties that my own children wouldn’t have? Um…no.

Philosopher

May 16th, 2011
10:41 am

@Local School Board Supporter: Most of us living here with children would love to be somewhere with a decent school system…we’re here because of jobs requred to feed our families …you know JOBS. So since we have to be here, we have every right to do whatever we can…which sadly, in this state is very little if you can’t afford private school- to improve the situation. Complaining loudly to shed light on a good ol’boy, broken system and trying to create find alternatives if we can is also our right. Besides, maybe in some years to come, the education system in this state might possibly get better because some of us didn’t shut up and sit down as others would have us do.

SenoiaDawgs

May 16th, 2011
10:41 am

To bobleblah: I can tell you that for Coweta Charter Academy you apply and are placed in a lottery if the there are more requested enrollments than classroom seats. The school here is a public school and anyone residing in Coweta County has the opportunity to attend.

LT from Atlanta

May 16th, 2011
10:43 am

Now that Georgia Supreme Court struck down Charter Schools Commission, a major cause for them to win $400 million “Race to the Top” federal funding, in 4-3 vote, should the state be ineligible for and/or lose such funding? What the court did was establish fundamental principles different from Race to the Top core principles of “implementing coherent, compelling, and comprehensive education reform.”

Educator for Life

May 16th, 2011
10:44 am

@ bob leblah, most charte schools will have a lottery if the number of applicatns exceed the number of spaces available. It is that simple.

Ed

May 16th, 2011
10:44 am

Deacturite noted:
“money siphoned off from the regular public schools without voter input. Public schools are hurting badly financially . . .if the state wants to fund these schools then they should do it on their on dime and not “steal” from the local districts.”

Slightly off topic, but that’s a good argument against the “equalization” process by which the state funnels money from a handful of “urban” school districts (most of which aren’t doing all that well, BTW) to “rural” districts, thus enabling the latter to keep property taxes lower. If state charters are an unconsitutional imposition of the state on local control, it seems “equalization” might be as well.

Educator for Life

May 16th, 2011
10:44 am

@ bob leblah, most charter schools will have a lottery if the number of applicants exceed the number of spaces available. It is that simple.

Northside APS Parent

May 16th, 2011
10:44 am

Any evidence that charter schools as a whole improve outcomes seems to be isolated and anecdotal — there are high-performing and low-performing charter schools just like there are high-performing and low-performing traditional public schools, and high-performing and low-performing private schools. However, local charter schools, operating within local school systems, can be effective ways for parents to be more involved in their children’s education. As an active APS parent for the past 15 years, I haven’t needed a charter to effect tremendous positive change in our local schools, but I recognize that many parents have wanted and used the charter concept as a framework for making the same kinds of improvements.

State charter schools, however, were designed to do an end run around local elected school boards. There is nothing “special” about state charter schools other than their status. Not to diss Ivy Prep, but APS has two single-gender academies, one for boys and one for girls, as well as special-interest high schools in areas as diverse as Law and Social Justice, Health Sciences, and International Studies. Maureen correctly points out that the General Assembly implemented state charter schools because local school boards had turned down charter requests legislators thought should have been approved. Then, to add insult to injury, they redirected LOCAL taxpayers’ money designated for LOCAL schools towards their favored state charter schools. Big Brother strikes again!

My school board rep knows who I am and responds to my concerns when I call her or see her (weekly) at school events. My state representative sends me a canned email thanking me for my comments and to my knowledge has never set foot inside any of our schools. Which one do you think I would rather trust with my children’s education?

Schooled Stupid

May 16th, 2011
10:45 am

@I am a school teacher….I am sure glad my child will not attend a govt. school and specifically in your class. Charter schools are public schools, most are just created by individuals or entities not within the existing school system cartel. For example, the Gwinnett School of Math, Science, and Tech. or whatever, was created by the school board within the school system as a charter school. Explain to me what makes that school any different from Grayson or Brookwood other than the name and some higher level courses not offered at all other high schools. The school of education you attended did great job of transferring the pedagogy to you.

@ Derrick…please do not give Dunwoody schools any credit…Dunwoody may have good parents that are involved in the education of their children and therefore when they go to the school warehouse, they know how to act, and retain some information through rote memorization.

I will include more later education on the indoctrination of the schooled minds.

Find the root of the problem

May 16th, 2011
10:46 am

I agree that elementary school education is the key. What is the average classroom size of a charter school? I would guess it is smaller than a typical public school. How about transportation,are school systems required to provides buses also?

Education on the benefits of charter schools would be a big help.

sherry (a grandmother)

May 16th, 2011
10:47 am

What a terrible shame for the children! A chance for a better education for at least some of our children with hope that alot of children would follow. Georgia is at the bottom of the barrel when it comes to good public schools. Apparentedly, GA wants to stay there. I’ve lived here 25 years now and have yet to see an improvement in the public schools. I was so hoping at least my grandchildren by now would have alot better schools than my boys did.

bob leblah

May 16th, 2011
10:48 am

Someone earlier mentioned that there is no additional cost of charter schools on the state. I find that hard to believe. The upfront costs related to building/starting a school would is funded by who? Raised privately? Raised by tax payer dollars only by those in the school? Raised by general populous tax dollars?

What's Really Going On

May 16th, 2011
10:48 am

@Dunwoody Mom 10:40am – I think the real question you should be asking to your local school is why it is not able to provide art, music, PE and a foreign language given that you have over 3 times more students at your school. That seem to be the travesty in your case. Could it be that your school’s lack of real autonomy is why you are getting shortchanged?

a parent in a charter school

May 16th, 2011
10:53 am

How many of you know what it is like to live in an area where the schools are failing? There is no choice, you cant gamble on your children’s future. This is a huge loss to Ga and the parents who care to make a change. Its funny to me to see people living in expensive school districts thinking they are public when only the wealthy can afford to live there. We will fight for our children and to have a choice…

New teacher

May 16th, 2011
10:56 am

@Dunwoody Mom:

“…but you want me to pay to have other students have opportunties that my own children wouldn’t have? Um…no.”

Perhaps your children has access to the best DeKalb has to offer, but I am sure there are several other parents in DCCS that are paying for your children have access to opportunities that theirs don’t have. Are there some classes at your high school that are more readily available to students than at other high schools? Does your children’s school have extracurriculars that are not available in, say, south DeKalb?

I can certainly say this is true in Gwinnett, and I’m willing to put money on the same being true in several circumstances in DeKalb and other counties. The argument about you paying for someone else’s child as argument against charters doesn’t wash.

There isn’t much equity within a school system. Folks in areas with great school, cheers! You don’t need charters. This is a good thing. However, for those who happen to live in the “wrong part of the county” (or city, in the case of APS), there isn’t much recourse for the parents who truly care about what their kids’ education. Charters can help. By the way, anyone says that politics don’t go into which charters get approved really needs to take a step back and think. When was the last time politics were NOT involved in a decision on public matters?

D

May 16th, 2011
10:57 am

Can someone please tell me… is Cherokee Charter opening or not? Thanks.

Teacher Reader

May 16th, 2011
10:58 am

@ Local Board Supporter

If school boards were focused on providing the best education for our children, I would agree with you, but our schools are not educating our children. Our children are being used by those running our schools. Our schools are pitiful places. I was an education consultant who traveled and worked with schools all over the country, many in very poverty stricken places. I have worked with charter schools and public schools alike. The beauty of a charter school is that teachers see problems and can make immediate changes to support the learning of their students. Are all charter schools good schools-No, but parents deserve a choice.

With more and more of our schools not meeting AYP, our parents and children deserve a choice to where their child is educated. This ruling will make it difficult-even more difficult- for Georgia to attract quality companies.

I understood when I moved to Georgia nearly 4 years ago that the public education is the pits, but it has gotten that much worse today. If you want Georgia to be a viable place for educated people to come, stay and raise a family, improving schools are the only way to do this. I can tell you that my husband will be looking for another job and we’ll leave, even if we have to dump our house to get rid of it.

HS Public Teacher

May 16th, 2011
10:59 am

Folks – come on! All of this energy and spirit needs to be focused on your local school board. This is where decisions are made. It is not the PTA.

Get involved with school board meetings and elections. This will make a difference that you seek.

Write Your Board Members

May 16th, 2011
10:59 am

Charter schools often pay their teachers less than traditional public schools, thus allowing funds for extras. In addition, they often have smaller overhead in administration, not always having assistant principals or counselors.

d

May 16th, 2011
11:00 am

Just a note to any who think south DeKalb schools can’t perform – I just received my EOCT scores and a majority of my students passed their EOCT. Good things do happen in both north and south DeKalb.

New teacher

May 16th, 2011
11:02 am

…to have access…
…anyone who says that…

TimeOut

May 16th, 2011
11:02 am

The number one impediment that charter schools remove from the lives of students and their parents is the impact of non-performers and their ineffective parents. Some of these parents are ineffective solely because their children have learned so well to ‘play the system’ that they cannot implement meaningful behavioral management anymore than can their students’ teachers. Some of these parents have done all of the right things but their children have learned that NCLB/AYP means that the only people who have to do any real work are the adults. If we could remove without penalty to others, those disruptive and willfully non-performing students and send them to a ‘holding tank’ or better yet, let them get started on those license plates, while their parents are at work, we would not need charter schools. If we valued ‘learning’ more than AP scores, EOCT scores, etc. we would have meaningful teaching/learning occurring in all classes throughout the year. The current system does not allow for the removal of the willfully and chronically disruptive sociopaths nor does it protect the larger school community from the unethical ’squeaky wheels’ whose main purpose is to prevent the rest of us from holding them or their children accountable. I think it’s time to look for a grant to fund a bigger change than ‘charter schools.’ We don’t need the federal government’s input. They can’t run their own show.

Maureen Downey

May 16th, 2011
11:04 am

@Lt from Atlanta, I am not sure that I agree our charter commission law was a major factor in our RTTT grant.(We already had a charter school law in place and 100 charters operating, more than other states that won grants.)
I think Georgia presented a strong overall package. I also think the state’s work in revising its performance standards was critical. Also, Gov. Perdue had a lead role in the Common Core State Standards. That was also a critical factor. The feds were looking for states already headed in the direction that they wanted. Georgia was on that same road.
And we are not in any danger of losing our grant by this decision.
Maureen

Maureen Downey

May 16th, 2011
11:05 am

@bob, It is both a lottery and geography. You have to live in the area served and there has to be room for you.
Maureen

Dunwoody Mom

May 16th, 2011
11:06 am

My issue with this is that a school with 135 students, and which has so far received over $400,000 local dollars, to provide “opportunities” that many schools in DCSS do not have. That, in and of itself, is unfair.

Dr. John Trotter

May 16th, 2011
11:09 am

A L E R T: Earnet is right. Call Mark Elgart and SACS! There was no consensus on the Georgia Supreme Court on this issue!

JM

May 16th, 2011
11:10 am

Mareen, do you really think a local school board will vote to support 6 students in their district who attend the Georgia Cyber Academy? What if every school board put different requirements? The Georgia Cyber Academy’s attendance zone is defined as the entire state. How many school boards would be involved? 200+? Imagine trying to make that happen.

Maureen Downey

May 16th, 2011
11:15 am

@JM. The systems do pay now to the state when their students take virtual high school courses that are not offered at their local schools. So.there is a mechanism in place.
Or
The state can take over full funding for this and the other 16 commission charter schools that are open or about to open. I don’t think that “full funding” would be as high as some of these charters are getting in those counties with high per-pupil funding, but the state could use the state average to determine its per-pupil allotment to each of these schools.
Maureen

Atlanta Media Guy

May 16th, 2011
11:20 am

Hey Decatur your system is one of the smallest in the state. I’ve been screaming for smaller systems, they work! A system the size of DCSS is full of corrupt, criminal individuals who care about the cars they drive, the church they attend, where their tithes are directly taken out of their paycheck, the sorority or fraternity they attended or the friends and family that remain on staff at a very high salary.

Hey DCSS, can we fire Audria Berry and her “army” of non-teaching seat warmers at the Palace and direct those funds to the schools where they should be to help the kids and not the friends and family plan? PLEASE!

That’s why we need people like Tyson, Moseley, Thompson, Mitchell-Mayfield, Turk, Ramsey, Beasley, Tucker, and the rest who were in Crawford Lewis’ leadership circle to resign and give the system back to real educators. Like the student who was on the DCSS BOE and who is graduating suggested in his speech the other night. DCSS needs a teacher to lead the system out of the abyss of constant failure and criminal activity!

PHLASH

May 16th, 2011
11:22 am

Two camps are affected by this. I’m sympathetic to one, unsympathetic to the other. I’m sympathetic to the groups of parents and communities who have organized to create a charter school well-suited to their students’ needs. I’m utterly unsympathetic to the folks who, under the banner of the charter movement, are using it to privatize schooling and education in the country, turning a public institution into a market-driven one. Is there a way to thwart the latter without backslapping the former?