
Pro charter school forces plan a rally tomorrow but the Supreme Court ruling will cast a pallor over the event. (AJC photo)
In a long-awaited ruling released this morning, the state Supreme Court struck down a state commission that could approve charter schools over the objection of local boards of education and direct local funding to the schools. The vote was 4-3.
“No other constitutional provision authorizes any other governmental entity to compete with or duplicate the efforts of local boards of education in establishing and maintaining general K-12 schools,” the opinion states. “By providing for local boards of education to have exclusive control over general K-12 schools, our constitutions, past and present, have limited governmental authority over the public education of Georgia’s children to that level of government closest and most responsive to the taxpayers and parents of the children being educated.”
The decision is a major victory for school systems and local control but a setback to the burgeoning charter school movement in Georgia. Unclear is the fate of the charter schools approved by the commission, some of which are operating and some of which planned to open this fall.
The ruling has no impact on the 160 charter schools that were approved by local systems, only those 16 approved by the state Georgia Charter Schools Commission:
They include the Georgia Cyber Academy, Georgia Connections Academy, Cherokee Charter Academy (the county’s first charter school), Provost Academy Georgia, Heritage Preparatory Academy, Chattahoochee Hills Charter School, Atlanta Heights Charter School, Fulton Leadership Academy, the Museum School of Avondale Estate , Peachtree Hope Charter School, Coweta Charter Academy at Senoia, Heron Bay Academy, Pataula Charter Academy, Ivy Preparatory Academy in Norcross and the Statesboro’s Charter Conservatory for Liberal Arts & Technology
Charter schools receive public funds to operate under a board-approved charter, or contract, that spells out a plan for improving student achievement and provides benchmarks for measuring this improvement on a five-year time line. If those benchmarks aren’t met, the school is supposed to close.
Up until two years ago, school boards in Georgia had primary power to veto or promote charter schools, but lawmakers felt that the school boards were hostile to charter schools and turned down strong applicants. So, the General Assembly created a commission that not only could approve charters, but redirect monies so that the schools receive their share of local dollars.
And that was the issue that is before the Supreme Court after seven systems — Atlanta, DeKalb, Candler, Coweta, Bulloch, Gwinnett and Griffin-Spalding — sued to have the state law that created the Charter Schools Commission declared unconstitutional. The systems lost their case in Fulton County Superior Court a year ago, but appealed to the Supreme Court in October. (Not all the systems were part of the appeal to the high court,)
The Supreme Court focused on two issues in its ruling: Does the state constitution give the state the right to create charter schools over the objection of local boards of education? The state argued for a broad definition of state-sponsored “special schools,” which have historically been limited to the state-run schools for the blind and deaf. The second point of contention was whether the seven-member Charter Schools Commission was a device for the state to divert local money to charter schools.
In its decision, the court sided with the systems, but now the question is what becomes of the charter schools already approved by the commission. Please note, the majority of charter schools in Georgia were approved by local boards of education and are not affected by this court ruling. This ruling is limited to the 16 approved by the now defunct commission.
However, in the larger picture, the decision ruling undermines the charter movement as it returns control to local boards and reduces the flow of dollars to charter schools approved at the state level.
The state Board of Education can still approve charter schools that were rejected by local boards, but those schools get only state money, no local funding. Consider that local systems provide on average about 45 percent of what it now costs to educate a child. So, it’s a dramatic drop if a charter school loses its local dollars. Without that local funding, it is unlikely that the commission charter schools can pay their bills.
So, will local boards of education step in and “adopt” those schools to maintain the stream of local funding?
The problem is that some of the charter schools approved by the now illegal commission are regional, and thus would require several school boards to “adopt” them. They are the most imperiled by this ruling.
According to the court’s statement this morning:
The Supreme Court of Georgia has struck down as unconstitutional a 2008 Act that authorized creation of a new kind of state charter school called “commission charter schools.”
With today’s 4-to-3 decision, the high court has reversed a Fulton County court decision and ruled in favor of local school boards, finding that the state-established schools authorized by the 2008 Georgia Charter Schools Commission Act do not fit the definition of “special schools” as envisioned in the state Constitution.Under the current Constitution, which voters approved in 1983, local school boards have exclusive authority to create and maintain K-12 public education, Chief Justice Carol Hunstein writes for the majority. The Constitution only allows the state government to create “special schools.” Yet in the 2008 Act, the State authorized the “Georgia Charter Schools Commission,” whose members are appointed by state officials, to approve petitions for a new type of general K-12 public school known as a “commission charter school.”“Because our constitution embodies the fundamental principle of exclusive local control of general primary and secondary (“K-12”) public education, and the Act clearly and palpably violates Art. VIII, Sec. V, Par. VII (a) by authorizing a State commission to establish competing State-created general K-12 schools under the guise of being ‘special schools,’ we reverse,” the 24-page majority opinion states.
Charter schools are a relatively recent phenomenon, according to briefs filed in the case. The first opened in 1992 in St. Paul, MN. Georgia’s first, Addison Elementary School, opened three years later in Cobb County. In general, charter schools receive public funds but are not subject to all the rules and regulations that apply to other public schools. Rather, they are held accountable for producing academic results, which are laid out in a performance-based contract, or “charter.” Georgia law in 1993 authorized existing locally-controlled public schools to convert to charter schools and permitted the creation of “start-up charter schools.” Both are now referred to as “local charter schools.” In 1998, the Georgia legislature amended the statute to authorize the creation of state charter schools that are approved by the Georgia Board of Education. In 2008, the legislature passed the Georgia Charter Schools Commission Act, creating the “Georgia Charter Schools Commission” and “commission charter schools.” (A footnote in today’s opinion states that “state chartered special schools” established by earlier legislation are not at issue in this appeal, and “we intimate no opinion as to their status under the 1983 Constitution.”)
In this high-profile case, seven local school districts – Gwinnett, Bulloch, Candler, DeKalb, Atlanta, Griffin-Spalding and Henry – sued former state Superintendent Kathy Cox, the Department of Education, the Charter Schools Commission and three charter schools approved by the Commission. The school districts challenged the 2008 Act claiming, among other things, that the Georgia Legislature lacks constitutional authority to create the “commission charter schools” because they are not “special schools.”
In May 2010, the trial court ruled in favor of the charter schools on the constitutional claims and dismissed other claims. The judge found that the Act is constitutional and that commission charter schools are “special schools.”
Today’s opinion reverses that decision. The Georgia Constitution states that, “[a]uthority is granted to county and area boards of education to establish and maintain public schools within their limits.” This language, the majority opinion states, “continues the line of constitutional authority, unbroken since it was originally memorialized in the 1877 Constitution of Georgia, granting local boards of education the exclusive right to establish and maintain, i.e., the exclusive control over, general K-12 public education.”
“No other constitutional provision authorizes any other governmental entity to compete with or duplicate the efforts of local boards of education in establishing and maintaining general K-12 schools,” the opinion states. “By providing for local boards of education to have exclusive control over general K-12 schools, our constitutions, past and present, have limited governmental authority over the public education of Georgia’s children to that level of government closest and most responsive to the taxpayers and parents of the children being educated.”
The current Constitution also states, however, that “[t]he General Assembly may provide by law for the creation of special schools in such areas as may require them…” At issue in this case is whether “commission charter schools” qualify as “special schools.” Today’s majority opinion says they do not.
“As the language in the Act and the record in this case reflect, the commission charter schools established by the Commission pursuant to the Act are created to deliver K-12 public education to any student within Georgia’s general K-12 public education system,” the majority opinion says. “Commission charter schools thus necessarily operate in competition with or duplicate the efforts of locally controlled general K-12 schools by enrolling the same types of K-12 students who attend locally controlled schools and by teaching them the same subjects that may be taught at locally controlled schools.”
Conditions existing at the time of the adoption of the 1983 Constitution “reflected that ‘special schools’ were those that enrolled only students with certain special needs, e.g., adults, deaf or blind children and those that taught only certain special subjects, e.g., vocational trade schools with jobs-oriented curricula.” The consensus among the drafters of that Constitution was that special schools “were indeed those schools that enrolled only students with certain special needs or taught only certain special subjects,” the majority opinion says. The late House Speaker Thomas B. Murphy, who was a member of the Select Committee on Constitutional Revision, said in reference to the special schools provision: “The reason for this paragraph in the Constitution is it allows the General Assembly to establish schools for the blind, deaf, or people of that nature.”
To interpret “special schools” under the Constitution “as including those schools that are indistinguishable in every constitutionally significant manner from general K-12 schools established and maintained by local boards of education would render the ‘special’ in ‘special schools’ meaningless,” the majority states.
Today’s opinion concludes that, “[t]he record establishes uncontrovertedly that the Georgia Charter Schools Commission Act and the schools established thereunder represent the efforts of well-intentioned people, motivated by their genuine concern over the current condition of this State’s general K-12 public education, to provide the children of this State with an alternative and, in some cases, a superior educational opportunity. In holding the Act unconstitutional under the unique provisions of this State’s Constitution, we do not in any manner denigrate the goals and aspirations that these efforts reflect. The goals are laudable. The method used to attain those goals, however, is clearly and palpably unconstitutional.” Joining the majority are Justices Robert Benham, Hugh Thompson and P. Harris Hines.
In a dissent, Justice David Nahmias writes that “[c]ontrary to the majority’s untenable opinion, the 1983 Georgia Constitution does not prohibit the creation of the Charter Schools Commission or commission charter schools.”
Calling the majority’s reasoning “illogical” and its conclusion “overbroad,” the dissent says that today’s ruling effectively abolishes not only commission charter schools as unconstitutional but also the “state chartered special schools” created by the Charter Schools Act of 1998 and “any other ‘special school’ the General Assembly might dare to create.”
“Today four judges have wiped away a small but important effort to improve public education in Georgia – an effort that reflects not only the education policy of this State’s elected representatives but also the national education policy of the Obama Administration,” says the 75-page dissent. “That result is unnecessary, and it is unfortunate for Georgia’s children, particularly those already enrolled and thriving in state charter schools. It is equally unfortunate for this Court’s reputation as an institution that fairly and accurately interprets the law and exercises the judiciary’s most awesome power – the power to nullify laws enacted through the democratic process – only when that result is clearly and palpably dictated by our Constitution.”
References to “special schools” first appeared in Georgia law nearly a century ago. “What is notable about all of these references – by the General Assembly, the Justices of this Court, and the Judges of the Court of Appeals – is that they all equate ‘special schools’ to schools or school systems established separate from the statewide, county-based common school systems,” the dissent says. “Not once is there a suggestion that a ‘special school’ is defined by its students or curriculum.”
“The ordinary meaning of the constitutional text, its context and history, prior usage, and basic language and logic all support the conclusion that ‘special schools,’ as that phrase is used in the 1983 Constitution, are simply individual public schools that are created by the General Assembly separate from the general county and area school systems,” the dissent says. “Special schools certainly may include schools for students with special needs, like the existing area schools for blind and deaf children, and schools that teach special subjects, like vocational trade schools. But the Legislature’s authority is not limited to creating those two types of special schools.”
The majority’s “assertion that ‘local boards of education’ were given exclusive authority over public schools under our constitutions beginning in 1877 is simply inaccurate,” the dissent says. The 1877 Constitution contains no mention of local school boards, which are not mentioned until the 1945 Constitution. Furthermore: “The General Assembly has created schools and school systems independent of the common county systems since the early years of this State, and the 1983 Constitution restored its power to create such special schools (but not school systems) without any local system approval or participation.” Local school boards have never had exclusive control over general K-12 public education, “because that control has always been shared with and regulated by the General Assembly and, since 1870, by the State Board of Education and State School Superintendent as well,” the dissent says. “The majority may be able to change our law, but it cannot change our history.”
The majority’s concern that commission charter schools duplicate the efforts of local school boards in creating general K-12 schools is also misplaced, the dissent says, given that less than 1 percent of the state’s nearly 2,300 public schools are commission charter schools, state charter schools established by the 1998 act, or area schools for the deaf and blind.
The dissent says “[t]he majority is cagey about exactly what it is holding.” The majority argues that commission charter schools cannot be considered “special schools” because they do not differ in their student bodies or curricula from general public schools. Yet, “there are very few public schools that enroll a student body consisting only of girls, like Ivy Prep,” one of the three charter commission schools being sued. “If such an obvious factor as gender does not differentiate a student body, then what factors do?” the dissent says. “The majority does not say.”
According to the majority, the baseline to which a “special school” must be compared “is not the average or ordinary local school in Georgia but any local school that exists or might ever be created in our State – that is, any school that ‘local boards of education are also authorized to create,’” the dissent says. “Indeed, in rejecting the suggestion that a state chartered school’s unique operating charter is relevant, the majority says that, like the children in Lake Wobegon, in Georgia no public school is average.” The majority’s conclusion that a special school “must enroll students categorically different from those at a locally controlled school or teach subjects wholly unlike those that may be taught in locally controlled schools,” renders the Constitution’s special school provision “a dead letter,” the dissent says.
In conclusion, the dissent says that “the policy position that the majority of this Court reads into our Constitution today contravenes the education policy established by both our State’s Republican Governor and Republican-majority General Assembly that passed the 2008 Act and our nation’s Democratic President and the Democratic-majority Congress that funded the ‘Race to the Top’ Program from which Georgia has received $400 million in funding, in part due to the State’s multiple charter school authorizers.”
Judges have no special competence in education policy, and “litigation is ill-suited to gather the sort of information and make the sort of nuanced and balanced assessments required for good social policy,” the dissent says. “Courts should strike down education-related legislation only where the Constitution ‘clearly and palpably’ prohibits the policy determination at issue. That is not the case here.”
“But the policy debate and the political process no longer matter,” says the dissent. “The majority of this Court has announced the new policy and removed the issue from the political process, unless the General Assembly and the people of our State bear the delay and enormous burden required to correct the Court’s error through a constitutional amendment.” Joining the dissent are Presiding Justice George Carley and Justice Harold Melton.
Justice Harold Melton writes a separate dissent “to emphasize the fundamental principles at play in this case.” He writes that “even under the majority’s faulty constructs and its incorrect definition of ‘special schools,’ these principles, which the majority fails to apply, require a finding that the Charter Schools Commission Act of 2008 is constitutional.”
“Two bedrock rules of statutory construction govern in this matter,” his dissent says. The first is that “we must presume that the statute is, and was intended to be, constitutional.” The second is that short of a claim that the statute improperly impinges upon a First Amendment right, such as free speech, “the statute cannot be struck down unless it is unconstitutional in all of its applications….”
As to the first principle, even a cursory review of the Act supports the presumption it is constitutional, this dissent says. For example, in provisions related to cosponsors, the Act suggests that cosponsors should be sought out to maximize “access to a wide variety of high-quality educational options for all students regardless of disability, race or socioeconomic status, including students who have struggled in a traditional public school setting.”
“Even if one applies the majority’s definition of ‘special schools’ as those that ‘enrolled only students with certain special needs or taught only certain special subjects,’ these provisions unequivocally support a conclusion that the Act was not “unconstitutional,” the dissent says.
As to the second principle, “it is untenable to argue that the Act is unconstitutional in all of its applications or lacks a plainly legitimate sweep.” The existence of Ivy Preparatory Academy, an all-girls charter school and one of three sued by the local boards, “proves that the Act meets the majority’s constitutional test, as it has been properly applied to create a special school.”
The Georgia Legislature “created a law to provide for special charter schools to enhance our educational system, and it included evidence on the face of the statute supporting such a constitutional intent,” the dissent says. “Nevertheless, the majority looks beyond this basic principle to reach a result that simply cannot be explained in the context of the applicable law and the undisputed facts.”
Attorneys for Appellants (school districts): Michael J. Bowers, T. Joshua Archer, Joshua Moore, Thomas Cox, Gerald Edenfield, Susan Cox, Charles Aaron, Timothy Shepherd, A.J. Welch, Jr.
Attorneys for Appellees (charter schools): Bruce Brown, Jeremy Berry, E. Claire Carothers, Thurbert Baker, former Attorney General, Dennis Dunn, Dep. A.G., Stefan Ritter
–From Maureen Downey, for the AJC Get Schooled blog
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justbrowsing
May 16th, 2011
9:25 am
Charter schools experience many of the same issues as your regular schools- problem is they have to maintain certain student numbers to stay afloat- how much “real” learning can happen in a situation like that? Who would be asked to leave for being a distraction in the classroom on a regular basis? Nobody- maybe we should give public schools the same lattitude offered charters.
Roach
May 16th, 2011
9:26 am
If the state wants to create something, let the state pay for it. No more unfunded mandates.
Most local school boards are a disaster for the kids and the communities, even when there is no headline-grabbing scandal. These board members serve themselves, their relatives on school payrolls, and their buddies–they don’t advance economic development and don’t foster intellectual growth and economic opportunity for the children. Show some courage and fix that.
Lenny
May 16th, 2011
9:26 am
This ruling is appropriate and correct. Groups who wish to start charter schools still have every right to do so, they just have to have all of the T’s crossed and I’s dotted during the application process. Many of the schools that were approved at the state level were denied at the local level because the groups applying simply did not meet all of the requirements to establish a school. If local groups feel charters are being denied without merit or reason they can replace school board members through the ballot box. And speaking of local control, the Charter Academy in Senoia was organized by Charter Schools USA, the Florida for profit group. I thought that was quite a disconnect to have public charter school in Georgia organized and administered by a for profit group from Florida. Where’s the local control in that?
Rod Johnson
May 16th, 2011
9:26 am
Public Schools suck due to one single reason: TEACHER UNIONS.
Throwing more money at these horrible, lazy, ignorant, awful people is NOT the solution.
Case in point: My 3rd grade children spent 1.5 hours on Friday WATCHING A DISNEY MOVIE.
IN CLASS.
“so the teacher could take a break and grade tests”.
And some of you say “Yeah – We need to THROW MORE MONEY at this system”.
Unreal. We’re a nation of braindead sheep and this ruling is a direct reflection of the Obama Administration’s love affair with archaic unions. Want to make a difference in America? Outlaw unions and start executing union bosses. That’d be a start, anyway.
Unions and union members suck.
Larry Major
May 16th, 2011
9:28 am
The dissent is remarkably long. The full Court decision is available at:
http://www.cpoga.org/supreme_court_ruling.pdf
Let's be real
May 16th, 2011
9:30 am
Bottom line, parents want to use public money to fund a “private” or “exclusive” education. I am all for wanting and trying to provide children with the best education possible, however, the educational landscape has now changed.
If parents really did their research they would find that money used to fund special education and the inclusion movement has really changed our educational system more than anything. I understand parents who have a child that needs accommodations to want those met, but the question is, “at what price to the greater society?” We now spend more money educating special needs children who will only be able to contribute so much to society and only a fraction of our resources to educate gifted students who can change our society. Is their any wonder we are falling behind other nations?
I am not against the local charter schools but I am against vouchers; if you want your child to have a private education, PAY FOR IT YOURSELF!
Dunwoody Mom
May 16th, 2011
9:30 am
@Rod Johnson – there are no teachers unions in Georgia.
Tired of Poor Education
May 16th, 2011
9:30 am
I guess Cherokee County School Board is rejoicing, but I guarantee the over 2600 parents that registered their children for the Charter School is not. Does this not tell the board how unhappy that the parents of Cherokee County are? If they do not want parents to remove their children from their local school system then offer a better education. Strange the Charter Schools have to maintain a level of excellence or they get shut down, why do the local schools not have to do the same?
Since Charters are totally decided on by the local school system, parents who registered for a better education at the Charter School should unite at the board meeting and let them know this is what we want for our children. In the end, is that not what government is about…For The People, By The People!
To the HS Public Teacher: Many parents have fought the cause across GA and they should be applauded. After awhile though the years are passing and your child is still not getting the education they deserve; so they put their child first, instead of fighting an institution that REFUSES to change.
Derrick
May 16th, 2011
9:31 am
Maureen, I’m sure you are correct that voters would never approve of disbanding of local school boards. That says more about Georgia voters than it does about school boards. We’d rather vote for someone that we might meet at Piggly Wiggly than for someone who knows what the hell they are doing.
Private School Parent
May 16th, 2011
9:31 am
Hey Dunwoody Mom,
I like the way you think…..since I don’t have any kids in public school then I should not have to pay to baby sit those little criminals. I choose to associate with people who strive to achieve something in life and be a productive citizen rather than sitting around waiting on a handout.
Mr. T
May 16th, 2011
9:32 am
Well, there goes any chance for a decent public education in Georgia…..Teacher unions win……Children lose!
What's really going on
May 16th, 2011
9:32 am
@HS Public Teacher 9:12am – Realistically speaking however, can you blame the parents in Avondale for trying to go around the system to try to better insure their kids can access a quality education? The issue for me isn’t total hopelessness around whether the traditional public system can change; it can– anything is possible. Rather it’s the urgency around something needing to be different NOW…. for children who are currently in school. I support all choice options in varying degrees for right NOW. Six years from now, maybe we no longer need to have vouchers because the tradtional public now has it’s act together. Or maybe a tax supported scholarship is no longer needed. The point is that we need more options on the table, not less. If it only affords options to 10% of students, so be it. Who says choice reform efforts are the answer to all things wrong with education in America. They are not. However, for now they can serve as a stop-gap measure for some. In a military battle where one side is losing and their backs are against the provervial wall, does the commander keep running troops up the middle to get slaughtered… I think not. Rather at some point all options for survival have to be placed on the table and that may be done knowing that everyone will not be saved, however it is necessary to proceed nonetheless. If the tides later start to turn in the battle then of course the strategy can change. But at that moment when there is no end in sight to the slaughtering, one has to consider other options. That may not be the best analogy, but all i know is that it is totally unacceptable to expect parents to sit tight and wait.. things will get better… totally unacceptable. Even if the parents in Avondale ran for office and won as you suggest… it’s not a Board of one. There are other Board members to contend with who may not share their views, so their ability to affect change is diminshed again. What you are talking about could take a generation to change.
There’s nothing wrong with the concept of “public” education, however we are at a point where we need to decouple ourselves from the existing entrenched means of delivery of a public education where everyone simply sends their child to their local zoned school. Let the “public” dollars follow their child wherever their parents choose to send them, and that includes other public schools.
HS Public Teacher
May 16th, 2011
9:33 am
@Rod Johnson and Mr. T –
Please understand this. Please get this through your head. Please never ever get this wrong from this point forward…
In Georgia, THERE ARE NO TEACHER UNIONS!!!!!! It is illegal under State law for teachers to form a union.
Why is this so very difficult for you people to understand? There are professional organizations that teachers join, but they are very far from having any union powers at all.
Please get informed before you spout total crap.
Philosopher
May 16th, 2011
9:33 am
Thinking that parents can be actively involved in any public school is absolute foolishness.-yes, we can run a PTA, meaning fund raisers and nothing much else, we copy and staple papers, etc..but we can effect absolutely no input or change in a public school without a fight or a suit. Schools don’t want parents involved and they definitely do NOT want parental input about ANYTHING. Public school is about 3 things and in this order…Power, control, and complete control. Education is provided as the teachers and administrators see fit and is non-negotiable. When our kids’ teachers are strrong, dedicated, communicative teachers, we consider it a blessing… when they are not, we endure…it no longer even occurs to us to EXPECT cooperation, communication or the right to discuss issues with a teacher…the consequences are too great. I feel pretty sure that the expression “payback is hell” came about from a parent who tried to question a teacher.
Competition can only improve the situation.
gradstu
May 16th, 2011
9:34 am
This has implications for GA’s shelved school funding litigation as well. The court seems to set a precedent amenable to the state’s argument in all funding litigation, namely “we give all of this money to local boards and it is not our fault if they screw things up for kids.” Can a local board then be sued for misusing public funds in the education of kids? In most other states, the courts find that the state has ultimate responsibility and that the authority of local boards is granted only to the extent that they implement the state’s will. This seems to be a different kind of ruling.
GA Voter
May 16th, 2011
9:34 am
These school boards focus on the needs of adults, not children. Charter schools and school choice more generally focus on individual students. When can we vote the justices off the court??
HS Public Teacher
May 16th, 2011
9:34 am
@GA Voter – Why not vote for a good person on the SCHOOL BOARD????
Let's be real
May 16th, 2011
9:35 am
Public Schools suck due to one single reason: TEACHER UNIONS.
Throwing more money at these horrible, lazy, ignorant, awful people is NOT the solution.
Case in point: My 3rd grade children spent 1.5 hours on Friday WATCHING A DISNEY MOVIE.
IN CLASS.
“so the teacher could take a break and grade tests”.
And some of you say “Yeah – We need to THROW MORE MONEY at this system”.
Unreal. We’re a nation of braindead sheep and this ruling is a direct reflection of the Obama Administration’s love affair with archaic unions. Want to make a difference in America? Outlaw unions and start executing union bosses. That’d be a start, anyway.
Unions and union members suck
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Note: there are no teachers unions in GA
Note: if the class could work on assignments and activities without putting their hands on each other, running to the teacher’s desk every 5 minutes to go to the bathroom, ask 20 times ,”what is it we have to do again?”, then this teacher could give them educational work while they grade their papers.
I don’t blame teachers anymore for not taking work home to grade outside of the school day since they have been furloughed as well as been made the scapegoat for all of the educational cuts.
Maybe the reason the teacher had to play a 1.5 movie so the class would be quiet is because that is how the majority of those kids were taught at home to be quiet, by being sat in front of a tv.
Once again you have to be certified to be a teacher but you do not have to be certified to be a parent. Anybody can not be a teacher but just about anybody can contribute to bringing a child into the world.
South Cobb parent
May 16th, 2011
9:35 am
@Private School Parent
It is completely offensive to call public school students “criminals” and a public education a “handout.”
Mr. T
May 16th, 2011
9:37 am
@ HS Public Teacher
In Georgia, after 3 years, public school teachers receive what’s commonly called “tenure,” a special employment protection that teachers unions defend. As the below federal statistics indicate, tenured teachers (as opposed to less-senior “probationary” teachers) are practically impossible to fire.
Fulton Observer
May 16th, 2011
9:38 am
Local School Boards will now attempt to get back the money already spent to educate students at a greater level than their home schools evidently could have ever accomplished. FTE money SHOULD follow the students when they are attending school in the same district! What is the fuss about affidavits for if not. I for one am sick and tired of the mess these sad school boards are putting out there, fighting to keep students from a good education. It’s a travesty!!! This should be appealed all the way up to the high courts. The education of GA students will always be a disgrace to the nation and the good old boys will always see to it that it stays there.
Let's be real
May 16th, 2011
9:40 am
Public schools WANT PARENTAL INVOLVEMENT! What public schools do not want are parents who think just because they volunteer that their child should receive straight A’s, be placed in the TAG program (especially if they do not belong), have the best teachers and students in their class every year, and all sorts of other demands they can get by going to a private school.
Derrick
May 16th, 2011
9:41 am
Dunwoody Mom: Do you think that if the Museum School closes your kids will get better PE and foreign languages? DeKalb’s problems were not caused by charter schools; charter schools are an imperfect solution to DeKalb’s problems, which are really state-wide problems. I live in the area served by Museum School. I wish I had the option of sending my daughter (who is not school aged yet) to a Dunwoody public school. Instead, I will probably end up sending her to private school, or moving into the City of Decatur. For most of my neighbors, however, neither are serious options. I find that to be sad. But, I don’t know, maybe I’m wrong … maybe Dunwoody residents will get a new gymnasium out of it. Somehow, though, I don’t think any money saved will end at Avondale Elementary.
HS Public Teacher
May 16th, 2011
9:43 am
@Mr. T –
Again, you are simply and totally wrong. Teacher tenure was outlawed in the State of Georgia many years ago. It is nothing like college professor tenure where they cannot be fired.
A few school systems in GA (not all) have their own version of tenure. This is where a teacher that has been employed by that school system for more than 3 years may request a formal explanation for their termination. That’s it. That’s all it means. Nothing more.
Many teachers with more than 3 years of experience do not get offered a contract for another year. All that they can do is request a formal explanation – and this may be in writing or verbally in front of the school board. I have never heard of the decision ever being reversed.
Again, Mr. T, please become informed before you spout total crap.
Rod Johnson
May 16th, 2011
9:44 am
To “Let’s Be Real”: Those who can, do. Those who can’t, Teach.
I don’t care whether GA Teachers are unionized. Unions are the root of our nation’s education problems. And the typical response of “Spend more $$$” guarantees nothing whatsoever…other than more $$ being spent on thoroughly-underqualified loser teachers who let their kids watch TV in class, rather than learn.
Don’t get me wrong – I’d much rather waste $$ on American teachers than Lost Afghanistan, idiot Iraq, and asinine Libya. But at the end of the day, it’s still wasted money while our children’s futures burn, burn, burn away.
But hey – there’s always the loser military to join for those who can do absolutely nothing else in life.
B. Killebrew
May 16th, 2011
9:45 am
Smart decision.
Mr. T
May 16th, 2011
9:45 am
@ HS Public Teacher : Maybe you are the one that needs to be educated..required reading for you…..http://coefaculty.valdosta.edu/lschmert/gera/vol3no1/Tenuress-grubbs.pdf
Dunwoody Mom
May 16th, 2011
9:46 am
@Derrick – not the point. If my children cannot have access to the same academic offerings as those provided at a school, for which my tax dollars go to support, then why should the children at Avondale have those? If The Museum School is so great, and it cannot survive without local dollars, then I am sure that the parents of the children attending Museum School would be willing to open up their pocketbooks a pay a little tuition….Don’tyou think?
Ed
May 16th, 2011
9:47 am
@Lenny:
“Groups who wish to start charter schools still have every right to do so, they just have to have all of the T’s crossed and I’s dotted during the application process.”
Rainbows and puppies for everyone!
If you seriously believe there is no venality and politics involved, that all you have to do is double-space correctly and you’re home free, I’ve got a bridge in Brooklyn that may interest you.
RoberTee
May 16th, 2011
9:48 am
If you want a charter school make your current school a charter school. Show up and get involved the same amount of hours in your current school as the charters require. Give the teachers the same flexibility as the charter school teacher. Scores and learning would improve dramatically when you have a troublemaker’s parent sitting next to them, or a student that refuses to work explaining to their parent why they won’t work. How about the uncooperative parent who ignores their child, the teachers requests and their child’s education having to work among parents who care and explain why they won’t make Johnny do his homework. What an effect on the education and the makeup of a BOE that would have; a large number of informed parents that know the issues forcing change through a BOE.
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Let's be real
May 16th, 2011
9:49 am
To “Let’s Be Real”: Those who can, do. Those who can’t, Teach.
I don’t care whether GA Teachers are unionized. Unions are the root of our nation’s education problems. And the typical response of “Spend more $$$” guarantees nothing whatsoever…other than more $$ being spent on thoroughly-underqualified loser teachers who let their kids watch TV in class, rather than learn.
Don’t get me wrong – I’d much rather waste $$ on American teachers than Lost Afghanistan, idiot Iraq, and asinine Libya. But at the end of the day, it’s still wasted money while our children’s futures burn, burn, burn away.
But hey – there’s always the loser military to join for those who can do absolutely nothing else in life.
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It is this attitude that has lead to many VERY TALENTED teachers to leave the profession and then have people like you wonder, “where are all the good teachers?” The answer, like many doctors, they are now in “private practice” making more more tutoring, writing curriculum, and teaching home school students.
Philosopher
May 16th, 2011
9:50 am
For every problem you blame the parents. I agree that there are parents who are lazy and shiftless and times have changed. And maybe, some teachers don’t know how to manage a classroom…oh, no! that couldn’t be possible, silly me. Funny, though, I’ve had kids in public school for 25 years, I’ve helped in their classrooms and those classrooms are not out of control…usually only one or 2 mischief makers.. All the kids my children are friends with have extremely conscientious parents and the kids are well-behaved and good students…so PLEASE stop making it look like all students are hoodlums and monsters with crappy parents…just ain’t so!
Velian Hill
May 16th, 2011
9:50 am
This is an excellent ruling. Maybe now we can get to work on shutting down private schools and home-schoolers. Children should go to their local public school and quit complaining.
JM
May 16th, 2011
9:51 am
How can a local school board possible sponsor the Georgia Cyber Academy? It has students attending from districts in the entire state.
Maureen Downey
May 16th, 2011
9:52 am
@Jm, The systems could agree– via a school board vote – to pay something per each of their children in the school.
The problem is that some of the brick and mortar regional charters do not have the blessing or the support of their area boards. I doubt they will see an voluntary sharing of funds.
Maureen
HS Public Teacher
May 16th, 2011
9:52 am
@Rod Johnson – LOL!!!! Do you even read your own posts?
Your logic: Teacher unions are the problem with GA education. GA does not have teacher unions. However, the teacher unions are still at fault.
You seem so torn up about that one teacher that showed a movie in class. Have you even thought to email the department chair, or the assistant principal, or the principal?
There are bum people in every profession. Even in the medical field, the news regularly reports of bad doctors. Do not fault an entire profession based on one event on one day from one person!
BTW – Even the military now requires at least a High School education.
Let's be real
May 16th, 2011
9:53 am
RoberTee
May 16th, 2011
9:48 am
If you want a charter school make your current school a charter school. Show up and get involved the same amount of hours in your current school as the charters require. Give the teachers the same flexibility as the charter school teacher. Scores and learning would improve dramatically when you have a troublemaker’s parent sitting next to them, or a student that refuses to work explaining to their parent why they won’t work. How about the uncooperative parent who ignores their child, the teachers requests and their child’s education having to work among parents who care and explain why they won’t make Johnny do his homework. What an effect on the education and the makeup of a BOE that would have; a large number of informed parents that know the issues forcing change through a BOE.
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That is what happpened at Riverwood High school which is a great school.
Tired of Poor Education
May 16th, 2011
9:53 am
HS Public Teacher: You have been in the system way too long or just beginning. Idealistic thinking does nothing to get anything done in the school system. Do you really believe that parents who want a better education through the Charter are just lazy and have not tried to change things? Private schools thrive because the public education is IMPOSSIBLE. Does our rating at the bottom not tell you teachers something? Maybe if you stood up and fought for the children in your school and class, maybe the school system might take notice.. Oh I forgot you might get fired and not get tenure. Because you may not have a union, but Tenure is everything, because you don’t have to teach then, and you can’t get fired!
I applaud all the parents in Georgia for all the hard work you have put forth to change public education, not only for your children but for all the children of Georgia. Unfortunately, the Board of Education does not hear us, because nothing has changed since I came to GA in 1983 and I fought the battle hard as well.
Private School Parent
May 16th, 2011
9:53 am
South Cobb,
Too bad the truth hurts…..city of Atlanta public schools is a fine example of criminals sitting around waiting on a handout. Let some of those deadbeats finance their own child’s education…..oh that’s right they can’t find their baby dady to help out with actually raising and being involved with their offspring.
Rod Johnson
May 16th, 2011
9:55 am
To “Let’s Be Real”:
Like I said, I FAVOR shoveling more money to good teachers and getting the hell out of the failed Middle East….but not to all teachers regardless of performance. But teachers do NOT want ‘performance metrics’. gee, I wonder why? Everyone else “in the real world” generally gets raises based on their own performance. Teachers DO NOT want the same standard for them – they just want $$$ shoveled at them.
I favor more $$ for teachers along with performance-based pay-scales.
I favor returning Disciplinary Actions to teachers as well…that includes the Right To Spank kids. This policy worked fine for every American over the age of 35. Right now though, teachers can’t even defend themselves from thug kids without getting sued.
The whole thing == Dead America. We’re creating a nation of totally ignorant children, we’re spending far more $$$ on asinine Social Security and Medicare (Entitlement crap), and even more $$ on more failed American wars overseas that benefit noone outside the military-industrial complex.
Dunwoody Mom
May 16th, 2011
9:57 am
There is a difference between parental involvement, which all school officials promote, and parental interference. The two are totally different.
Philosopher
May 16th, 2011
9:58 am
@Let’s be real ..”Public schools WANT PARENTAL INVOLVEMENT! What public schools do not want are parents who think just because they volunteer that their child should receive straight A’s, be placed in the TAG program (especially if they do not belong), have the best teachers and students in their class every year, and all sorts of other demands they can get by going to a private school.”
Horse manure!!!!- that’s the same bogus argument used to punish a whole class of students for the actions of a few. Grow some courage, tell parents who step over the line that they can’t and move on. We are NOT all trying to get favors for our children…SOME of us are trying to make your life easier so you can teach our children..and that is a FACT!!
HS Public Teacher
May 16th, 2011
9:58 am
@Mr. T – LOL! In your own link, it clearly states that Georgia Teacher tenure was eliminated by Roy Barnes in 2000.
The Fair Dismissal Act of 1975 is still in place. And, that is what I referred to as having an explanation for not offerring a contract.
What is your point???? There is no teacher tenure for k-12 in Georgia!
CB
May 16th, 2011
9:58 am
Whatever your position on charter schools, this decision was the only possible outcome based on the way the law (in this case, the GA Constitution) is written.
Of course, some of the folks howling the loudest that the judges should have ignored the law are the ones that decry “judicial activism” when it’s a lib’rul cause…
Rod Johnson
May 16th, 2011
9:59 am
For the record, my wife & I are very active at our kids’ elementary school PTA. The only thing that gets us is time spent volunteering. We’ve zero input on the curriculum, how money is being spent, how teachers are rated, etc.
Which is by design, of course. These lazy work-6-hrs-day teachers simply want to find someone else to shovel their workload off on.
Tired of Poor Education
May 16th, 2011
10:02 am
HS Public Teacher: I think you need to go visit your local public elementary school. It is not just one class, one teacher or one event. There is a party at least 2 times a month, fun Friday every week, and oh the reviews the teacher has to go over and over so they pass the CRCT test which is such a waste. There is so much time on review that nothing is learned.
Oh and the best yet, 2nd grade is a review year for all the students to make sure that NO CHILD IS LEFT BEHIND and they catch those who do not know the material. What do you think happens to the rest of the class? I do not think that is the best use of our school system. Have special programs for those who are behind, they need an education just as much as those who are moving on faster, but QUIT holding back the majority for the few.
Elementary school has become a joke. My daughter is a HS teacher and a tutor; she tells me these High School kids she teaches are lost from one basic thing…the basics they should of learned in elementary school. And yes most parents have gone to the teacher, principle and board of education, but NOTHING is ever done…
My grandchildren watch more movies and cartoons at school than they do at home.
bbb
May 16th, 2011
10:02 am
If the real concern is “taxpayers and parents,” then the state approved charters would stand. The real concern, however, of the suing entities is the greedy and power-hungry local school districts. These systems are intimidated by the potential success of charter schools that don’t have to work in the administration-heavy school systems that NEVER consider the welfare of the child when doing the “business” of school. If parents were satisfied with the local school systems, they wouldn’t fight for their children to have other opportunities through these charter schools. It is the PARENTS AND TAXPAYERS who are fighting for these schools. SO, get the school systems OUT of the argument.
North Fulton Mom
May 16th, 2011
10:05 am
Honestly, I don’t understand why this ruling is even controversial. I don’t have a problem with charters but I don’t see how anybody can argue that it’s ok for the state to overrule an elected local school board and direct funding away from a system that taxpayers support. The State Commission is an appointed group so voters have no direct say in who gets to sit on the commission, which imo is an unjustifiable funding mechanism.
Public schools aren’t perfect by any means but in my experience, communities with strong public schools tend to have strong local support. In those communities, a state commission with the power to swoop in and siphon away funding will suffer.