Got HOPE?: Could these be the faces of the 2012 election?

Here is a well done parody of the “Got Milk” campaign that is making the e-mail rounds. Not sure if my reproduction shows it clearly, but the line under the photo is “Remember November 2012.” This spoof is the work of political activist Jan Selman.

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Competitive

April 4th, 2011
3:10 pm

What a joke. These people should be glad the government is still willing to give them any money to pay for their college. I got no such help from the government.

So they want to vote for the Democrats so they can get more tuition money. OK, where is that money going to come from. HOPE money comes from lottery sales, which are down considerably. Less income means less expenditure, or is that not a part of the Economics class they received an inflated grade in during high school?

d

April 4th, 2011
3:29 pm

@Competitive lottery sales aren’t down all that much. The Board of Regents has increased tuition at a pace that outstepped inflation and the lottery had diverted more funds from HOPE and pre-k to fund higher payouts. They’ve admitted this.

I agree...

April 4th, 2011
3:30 pm

with Competitive at 3:10PM. Even with the cuts, HOPE is a great deal. Or would the crybabies prefer getting a college loan for the whole tuition which will take them years to pay back? Unreal.

Another view

April 4th, 2011
3:54 pm

You guys really just don’t get it, do you. Back a more than a few decades ago, I could sweep the floors in Old Main 20 hours a week or in grad school do just fine on $300 a month on the research assistantship. Fat city. And all I had to do was ask. The work was there, anybody who wanted it. So was summer employment. Now, with the legislature having stolen a billion bux out of the state part of university support in the last few years, the RELATIVE amount that has to go out the door for a kid to stay in college is enormously greater than way back then. AND the work is simply not there. How many part-time jobs ARE there for how many kids wanting them? On top of that, (here I go again), it is STARKLY clear that under the guise of “saving” HOPE, the white male Republicans conned the state yet again into stealing from the poor to give to the rich. Sorry, but grades and test scores are 70-90% how much mommy and daddy make (and all the benefits that brings), NOT “achievement.” Wonder how much the BMW dealerships lobbied for this so that the upper class can still easily afford those shiny German HOPEmobiles in the UGA dorm parking lots. You kids BETTER get out to the polls next November. It’s certainly clear your parents are way too dumb to figure it out. Barnum was wrong. You can fool MOST of the people all the time, and it’s painfully easy.

Mom

April 4th, 2011
3:57 pm

Instead of whining about the meager cuts to HOPE, these kids need to be grateful that it exists at all. I can’t imagine how they came to believe that they are entitled to FREE college tuition. They need to take a look at college tuition outside the state of GA, and take another look at how little assistance there is for middle class students who otherwise meet all the requirements for HOPE.

My family moved here from Pennsylvania about six years ago. In state tuition at Penn State was $18k at the time–before room and board! Imagine our glee when we came here and found out how inexpensive UGA and Tech are by comparison.

The low tuition alone was thrilling, but then we learned about HOPE–an AMAZING benefit that makes it a dream to go to college in GA. I have two teenagers coming up who will attend college in GA very shortly, and I want to say THANK YOU to the people in the state who make this amazing program available for my kids. We are very, very grateful for this gift.

The teens in these pictures look spoiled and ungrateful. They need to wipe off their faces and lose the attitude.

Parent

April 4th, 2011
4:21 pm

Yes it is a big problem for the hope scholarship with all of the northerners moving to Georgia to take advantage of the scholarship program too. There needs to be a five year residency requirement for out of state students.

Maureen Downey

April 4th, 2011
4:30 pm

Folks, I think the teens in the ad are models.
Maureen

catlady

April 4th, 2011
4:32 pm

Very clever. Similar ads can be done about many other important topics that the GOP-led legislature and governor are NOT addressing: transportation, clean air and water, education, mental health, the list is long and varied. Don’t forget JOBS! How is this GOP leadership working out for most of you? The non-leadership can be attacked on so many fronts! So many topics, so little time.

catlady

April 4th, 2011
4:39 pm

Ms. Downey: Surely we have some of the dumbest folks on the face of this planet–to think anyone would not understand that these are actors/models in the ads! Be very, very afraid!

student

April 4th, 2011
5:01 pm

@ Mom —- “I can’t imagine how they came to believe that they are entitled to FREE college tuition.”
We came to believe we were entitled because that is what we were told by the government and the lottery corporation. Keep a 3.0 GPA and tuition would be covered. Now for those of us that kept our end of the bargain and are currently recipients of the scholarship are being hosed because the rules of the game were changed midstream. It didn’t matter to the legislature that we (college students) can’t go back to high school to change our GPA or our SAT scores. Therefore, you better believe that in 2012 I will be voting for anyone other than those patsy Republicans who are in Deal’s pocket. And when Deal’s term is up, I will be voting against him too.

Jennifer

April 4th, 2011
6:37 pm

Mom

April 4th, 2011
7:19 pm

How are you being “hosed?” At worst, 90% of your tuition is still covered. That’s hardly being “hosed.” Things change. The economy today is very different from the economy that existed in GA just a couple of years ago, when our state had a surplus. The legislature does not have magical powers. They managed to keep HOPE at 90% for most who qualify–under any circumstances this is a very generous GIFT. Say thank you and quit whining. Its time to grow up and part of growing up is realizing when you’re truly “hosed,” and when you “very fortunate.” I put any HOPE recipient in the “very fortunate” category. (And I would still say that if they dropped it to 50%. As I would have been overjoyed to receive a 50% tuition scholarship when I went to college!)

We're out!

April 4th, 2011
8:11 pm

The whole HOPE is a joke. The kids getting it are not the brightest or the best… most of them don’t keep it. Get rid of it completely and put the money back into the schools where it will do the most good ormMake them earn it after a year at college… this is just a stupid policy… oh I forgot.. that is the point of education in this state anyhow!

yagottabekiddingme

April 4th, 2011
8:59 pm

Whether or not you moved here (GA) from anywhere else, you are now a tax-paying citizen of the great state of Georgia, and what is good for one is good for all. @Mom: you are right on! Just try looking at public school tuition in any other state (without HOPE) and you will be astounded at the great value that is Georgia public school’s tuition. Quit griping! I work with dozens of low-income kids every day and they don’t gripe!

history teacher

April 4th, 2011
9:29 pm

@Mom. That 90% is for this year only. According to an earlier article in the AJC, Hope will pay for about 35% in five years because of the continued jumps in tuition. My problem is not with changes in Hope for future students. My problem is with the breach of contract the state of Georgia has with college students. My daughter, a junior in college with a 3.8 GPA whose combined SAT score from her junior year was a few points short, is now being penalized by a change in the requirements. She cant go back and earn those 40 points on the reading and math portion. I guess it doesnt matter that her total SAT was almost 1800 and she has been on the Deans List every semester since she started college. College students who still have Hope should have been grandfathered in. @ ya gottabekidding me, those low income students dont gripe because they have can still get Hope and pell grants. Middle class students dont qualify for Pell. Students who still have HOPE in college did what they were supposed to do and they upheld their requirements( just like social security and medicare recipients)@ student, I teach advanced placement US history and political activism is the key to a fair and democratic society with a government that listens and responds to the will of the people.Make sure you know who your state legislator is and look at how he voted and then you will know how to vote. Several people have encouraged you not to whine and they are right. Whining doesnt accomplish anything but voting does.

student

April 4th, 2011
10:03 pm

I’m not whining so much as complaining because stupidly I expected the politicians to keep their promise. Like your daughter I am one of those students who upheld the requirements. I currently have a 3.6 and will (after this semester) be a junior because of all the AP classes I took even though this is my first year of college. I did have a 1200 on the SAT but not the 3.7 when I graduated last May. My complaint is the lack of a grandfather clause for those of us who can’t go back and change things. And believe me, I know exactly who my state legislator is and how he voted.

This is Mrs. Norman Maine

April 4th, 2011
10:51 pm

I cannot believe that there are people who think HOPE is a gift. It is not. The voters of this state made a deal with the governor. We will vote for the lottery in exchange for HOPE for our students. That was the deal. They are not doing us a favor. We don’t have to be grateful and grovel. We made a DEAL.

@ History Teacher

April 4th, 2011
11:20 pm

When the state breached its contract with National Board Teachers, you should have seen the writing on the wall. Neither teachers nor students are valued in Georgia. And @student, dream on if you think those in the Gold Dome would even consider a “grandfather clause.” Ain’t gonna happen.

history teacher

April 4th, 2011
11:20 pm

My daughter is a sophmore and AP classes helped her get a headstart on the classes. None of the college students are not whining. There is nothing wrong with being upset about the rules changes for students who have done exactly what they were supposed to do. I dont know why I am even surprised. 7 years ago the state begged us to get national teacher certifications and now they refuse to honor the 10 year contract they agreed to. Two years ago I jumped through the master teacher hoops and surprise, surprise, the state cant do what they promised. Well I better be quiet before someone jumps on all of the whining teachers.

Shar

April 4th, 2011
11:24 pm

The two primary reasons that the HOPE trust is losing money are the huge influx of students on scholarships who are unprepared for college-level work but who qualify due to Georgia’s rampant grade inflation and the documented fact that the Legislature has preferred to cut state spending of tax money to education in the tacit assumption that HOPE would cover any tuition jumps needed to make up the budget. The poorly conceived, jammed through changed to HOPE fail to address either of these problems. Instead, the cuts fall on the students who continue to excel in school without addressing those who party for a year and then leave or to institute budgeting discipline that would force the Legislature to fund education by capping annual tuition raises to the rate of inflation.

These kids aren’t whining – they’re right. They were promised free tuition, plus stipends for books and fees, in return for their parents’ votes to allow the lottery. The book and fee stipends were frozen, then cut back and are now gone, and students have always had to pay for room, board, the ever-ecalating “fees” (more tuition increases in disguise) and whatever else they wanted to buy while on campus. Their college planning was based on belief that the HOPE would cover their tuition, and they made the grades to earn it. Now they’re graduating from hgh school or already in college and the rug is pulled out from under them when they are least able to adjust. Plus, the changes in the program discourage these kids from taking any risks, signing up for challenging classes or taking the very demanding math/science/health care tracks our state could most benefit from, and the Legislature is still unrestricted from adding to the $1 billiion in education cuts they’ve made in the last few years, driving the problem from bad to worse.

Nathan Deal may have had to cut the program due to the mismanagement by the Lottery Corp and the Legislature, but he didn’t have to do it in the uninformed, destructive way that he did and lay the worst of the pain on students who are trapped. The 90% estimate is against this year’s tuition level only and does not include the effect of further tuition increases nor of losing the book and fee stipend. Plus, the room and board charges will go up as well, as the Regents try to make the tuition hike for next year look like less than the major hit it will be.

If the above posters opened their paycheck to find that their employer was no longer paying for part of their health care and that their pay had been dropped by 10% + due to not having to run a marathon ten years ago and there was nothing at all that would reinstate them, most of them wou’d complain and probably file suit. If it serves to wake them up to the potential impact of political decisionmaking and motivates them to vote, perhaps it’s not all bad.

history teacher

April 4th, 2011
11:24 pm

Let me clarify. My daughter started school in 2009 and as a result of AP classes, she is classified as a junior. I also meant None are whining. Sorry.It is time to go to bed,

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April 4th, 2011
11:44 pm

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Lt. Dan

April 5th, 2011
12:32 am

Mom, thanks for an excellent perspective. The good people in this state have been far far spoiled for a number of years…the HOPE scholarship being just one of many institutions within this state which has, essentially, tied the folks to the trough of good fortune. And, like all good things, this particular fortune has dried up. However, like spoiled children, they refuse to acknowledge this reality…they cannot comprehend the fact that “the box of lolipops is empty; that whatever lolipops may remain must be doled out, not with the reckless abandon of recent times, but with deliberation”.

Student, your’s is a situation faced by many…not necessarily the situation of high school graduates seeking funding sources for their college studies, but rather those who, despite all good intentions, must face the hard reality that 1) conditions and situations change, and 2) life is a constant struggle of adapting to those changes. Your world, faced with this reality, will not stop…UNLESS YOU ALLOW IT TO STOP. Your world will continue to spin on the axis of your goals and determination ONLY if you want it to do so. Blame others if you will, insist on the special consideration of grandfather clauses, etc. If this tactic, in the end, yields fruit…well and good. You’re a winner. However, you just may be well-served if you take this unfortunate episode in your young life as a learning opportunity in the truism that life ain’t fair, life’s a bitch, and you can either sink or swim. In the end, my friend, it’s all up to you.

Lt. Dan

April 5th, 2011
12:34 am

No sweat, History Teach…it’s sack time!

Philosopher

April 5th, 2011
8:34 am

Great ad- Someone was quite creative.
I know it’s convenient and it works on non-thinking people, but to just repetitively spout the same old epithet over and over is SO tiresome. Students aren’t claiming “entitlement” to a free education…they are complaining about losing a program that our citizens adopted and held up to our kids as hope for all of their school years. The kids know there is money there and it has been squandered and used for other things than what it was supposed to be when sold to us at the onset. Our government is making choices that they disagree with, that will negatively affect their futures, and they have a right to complain…this is America, is it not?? Why should our kids be railing against Hope cuts? Because our state legislature has been decreasing education funding yearly, forcing college tuitions to climb beyond what parents can save for and even beyond what Hope covered for a long time now. These cuts put good students’ hope for an education in peril. And before you start ranting again about how you worked your way through college (so did I), take an honest look at the economy and the job market…there aren’t any jobs, and the ones that are out there SHOULD be going to folks who have families to feed. And last, our illustrious school boards, in their great wisdom, have shortened summer breaks to the point that kids can’t even work in the summer to save for college as we did when we were kids! How wise is it, to put education out of our young peoples’ reach? Take a look at the countries whose majority of citizens are unemployed young people, restless and angry and rising up in anger…

JDK

April 5th, 2011
8:44 am

“We came to believe we were entitled because that is what we were told by the government and the lottery corporation”

@student – consider yourself lucky that you learned early in life that promises made by the government, or anyone for that matter, can and WILL be broken. Entitled? LOL!

Philosopher

April 5th, 2011
8:51 am

I think it would have made so much better sense to run the Hope program on a reimbursement basis…the student pays for the first semester and is reimbursed if he/she meets the requirements…the reimbursement pays for the next semester and it goes on from there. It would have saved so much from immaturity and unprepared students. But my guess is, they wouldn’t have been able to sell their oh, so lucrative lottery program that way!

Dr NO

April 5th, 2011
9:12 am

This democratic entitlement train needs to be derailed and that right soon.

Just Wondering

April 5th, 2011
10:12 am

Its good to see that some of you get it. HOPE comes from the lottery and not tax dollars like some of our “low-no tax” brethren here so conveniently mis-represent. To bad very few here remember the founding principles of HOPE which has been continuosly distorted since Zell left. What is happening is a concerted effort to redefine of HOPE so that those who need it most (the have nots or not have a lot nots) are so maligned by mis-information (remediation, etc.) that it’ll just be left for the haves.

Yankee Prof

April 5th, 2011
10:14 am

Students are right to be upset about the changes to HOPE and to rising tuition costs, and their ire is correctly directed at the state legislature, which has for the past 8 years consistently cut funding to the University System while simultaneously awarding corporate tax cuts that would have generated the necessary revenue several times over.

I’ll avoid the either/or fallacy of blaming Republicans or Democrats: the simple observable fact is that the GA Legislature has neither protected nor served the interests of the middle and working classes in Georgia for an alarmingly long time.

MannyT

April 5th, 2011
11:48 am

It is a lot easier to be a one issue voter as an 18 or 20 year old. It’s not that hard to imagine that HOPE could be that one issue for young college students in GA.

As the number of HOPE recipients has grown, the program has expanded by removing income caps. Thus the greatest beneficiaries of expanded HOPE are those with incomes above the cap who were originally excluded. It will be interesting to see how those high income college students vote in 2012 & 2014 (statewide)

A Conservative Voice

April 5th, 2011
12:12 pm

Gawd, I cannot believe all you people standing there with your hands out saying……”where’s mine and that’s not enough, give me more, more, more”. One day if your entitlement mentality doesn’t end, you’re gonna be standing in the field with a hoe, working for our socialist government elite and wonder……”why was I so STUPID, STUPID, STUPID???????”

Philosopher

April 5th, 2011
12:30 pm

@ A Conservative Voice- are you just not really reading what’s said, or do you just like repeating a party line? No one is saying ANY of that! The lottery was sold to the governor as a means to help education- like a grant, or scholarship….remember those? Good students who work hard and get good grades are offered grants and scholarships- many of us benefitted from those to get ourselves through college. That is how the lottery was sold to the people and that is how it is supposed to be administered…NOT as free, unearned, entitlements. Understand, now??:?

catlady

April 5th, 2011
2:38 pm

Hard to believe that Roy Barnes hasn’t instituted a class action lawsuit against Nathan and the legislature for changing the published rules without a grandfather clause. I know when you enter college under one set of rules (for example, you have to have a 3.0 to get into a certain program), and later it is decided that you have to have a 3.5 for admission to the program, you have to be allowed to go by the rules that were published when you started. I would think the same thing would apply here.

That they can change the rules is one thing; that they can ex post facto change the rules for those who were already following the published rules is something else.

It would really be just deserts if ole Roy sued on behalf of the students and made it impossible for the rules to be changed on already-attending students! Think how that would gall the Rs in charge!

A Conservative Voice

April 5th, 2011
3:36 pm

@Philosopher

April 5th, 2011
12:30 pm
@ A Conservative Voice- are you just not really reading what’s said, or do you just like repeating a party line? No one is saying ANY of that! The lottery was sold to the governor as a means to help education- like a grant, or scholarship….remember those? Good students who work hard and get good grades are offered grants and scholarships- many of us benefitted from those to get ourselves through college. That is how the lottery was sold to the people and that is how it is supposed to be administered…NOT as free, unearned, entitlements. Understand, now??:?

No – Please explain it one more time :) I’ve gone over this in previous blogs and I don’t intend to repeat myself; however, you on the other hand, are gonna philosophize yourself right into that field I was talking about.

Wheeler Mom

April 5th, 2011
3:40 pm

I can’t believe the mean-spirited, uneducated, and ignorant comments by some on this blog.

I have a child directly affected by this – he graduated with a 3.6, currently has a 3.5, and is a sophomore at a local 4 year university. He also lives at home, drives a car he bought and paid off himself, and works two jobs. He is trying to minimize the amount of student loans he has to take out, because he realizes that he wants to start off out of college relatively debt-free, not saddled with student loans. Part of the plan we as a family made included HOPE. It also included working hard in high school to earn it and taking AP classes to get ahead on the college track. Remedial classes were not needed at the college level.

As others have said, I find something that needs to be EARNED the opposite of an entitlement. I think the students have an exceptionally valid complaint when one hears about lottery officials large bonuses and the fact that the lottery commission has failed to fully fund the scholarship. I think the students should be upset that someone, whether it’s politicians at the Gold Dome or talking heads at the Board of Regents looked at higher ed costs, and figured, “well, the HOPE can cover that.” I think the students should be upset that tuition rates weren’t frozen for recipients (like some states 529 plans) so that it wasn’t a constant drain. I think the students have the right to be upset that the program was implemented poorly and mismanaged by having people waste in it a wide variety of ways. And I especially feel that the students currently in school have a right to be upset that the rules were changed on them, and they have no recourse – no time machine to go back and fix a GPA or SAT score.

I think parents and students understand hard economic times. I think parents and students understand that the program needed tweaks. But I think it’s really hard to understand why a grandfather clause couldn’t be put into place for those currently enrolled. I really don’t understand the ugliness expressed by so many – if you don’t buy a lottery ticket, then what difference is it to you?

student

April 5th, 2011
5:15 pm

@Wheeler Mom — Thank you! Very eloquently said! :-)

Philosopher

April 5th, 2011
5:36 pm

Actually, philosophizing is stimulating and good brain exercise…try a little of it…you’ll be surprised to discover that there is more room in your brain than you ever knew existed, there is more than just one side to most subjects, and people different from yourself become interesting and valuable. It’s fun!

Wheeler Mom

April 5th, 2011
7:41 pm

@ student – you’re welcome! :-) Good luck! Keep fighting the good fight.

A Conservative Voice

April 6th, 2011
8:22 am

@Philosopher

April 5th, 2011
5:36 pm
Actually, philosophizing is stimulating and good brain exercise…try a little of it…you’ll be surprised to discover that there is more room in your brain than you ever knew existed, there is more than just one side to most subjects, and people different from yourself become interesting and valuable. It’s fun!

My point exactly, philo……why are we arguing?????? BTW, I know there’s some parts of my brain that I don’t use often; however, that part is filled with those things I don’t need to lead a happy, fulfulling life. I discovered that years ago and have been perfecting it since :)

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