Will 3.7 GPA for full HOPE lead to more grade inflation?
Speaking of a motivation for grade inflation, only high school students with a 3.7 GPA and decent SAT/ACT scores would get a full HOPE Scholarship under the plan unveiled today by Gov. Nathan Deal.
For kids with a 3.0, HOPE would cover at most 90 percent. Students who lose HOPE in college because their average falls below a 3.0 will only be able to regain it once under the Deal plan.
I can imagine a lot of parents shaking their heads right now if their kids have a 3.6 or a 3.5. A slight boost in that GPA could mean nearly an additional $1,000 a year in tuition at the research universities. I expect greater pressure on teachers for grades to earn the full HOPE.
I also wonder about the kids who have a perfect 2,400 on the SAT and a 3.6 GPA. Shouldn’t they qualify for full HOPE, or as it’s being called, the Zell Miller Scholarship? These Miller Scholars also can only regain HOPE once, and must maintain a 3.5 to keep their full ride. I am not clear from the bill whether these Miller Scholars then default to partial HOPE if their GPA falls to 3.0, which is the qualifying threshold for the partial HOPE. (See how confusing this is becoming?)
As predicted, Deal wants to cut pre-k down to four hours a day, from 6 1/2..
All the changes would save about $300 million., according to the governor.
As the AJC story states, “The proposal marks the end of two long-time promises Georgia has made – free all-day pre-K and free college tuition to public colleges if students earned and maintained a 3.0 GPA.”
HOPE serves 200,000 college students, while 82,000 children are in Georgia pre-k.
Deal also talked about low-interest loans of about 1 percent for students who can’t maintain a 3.0. The loan would be forgiven for those who teach math or science in Georgia’s public schools. One year of the loan will be forgiven for each year spent teaching.
In its response to Deal’s plan, Chancellor Erroll B. Davis Jr. said, “The plan to maintain the full tuition HOPE scholarship for University System of Georgia students earning a 3.7 high school GPA, in combination with a minimum SAT or ACT score, and requiring a 3.5 GPA in college, builds upon the work of the Board of Regents and of the Alliance of Education Agency Heads to increase academic rigor. This recommendation will help to keep Georgia’s best and brightest in the state.”
Other changes:
• Decouples from tuition. Students earning at least a 3.0 will see the scholarship cover 90 percent of current fiscal year 2011 tuition rates.
• Ties future scholarship amounts to lottery revenue, not tuition rates.
• Cuts private college award from $4,000 to $3,600.
• Creates the Zell Miller Scholarship. Students with at least a 3.7 GPA and 1200 SAT or 26 on ACT will get full tuition at public colleges and $4,000 to private colleges. Students will need to maintain a 3.5 to keep the scholarship.
• Eliminates money for books or mandatory fees.
• Caps payout to 127 hours for HOPE scholarship and 63 semesters for the HOPE grant. Students will a post-secondary degree will be ineligible for the technical grant.
• Requires high school students to take “rigorous” classes to qualify for HOPE. This will begin this fall with incoming high school freshmen.
–Maureen Downey, for the AJC Get Schooled blog
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HOPE Lite versus Full HOPE: Less filling but more lasting? | Get Schooled
February 22nd, 2011
12:48 pm
[...] (Please see prior blog to get more details on the GPAs required for Full HOPE versus HOPE Lite.) [...]
come on son
February 22nd, 2011
12:48 pm
Whether you fully agree or not at least this plan takes a common sense approach; you are never going to make everyone happy.
Maureen Downey
February 22nd, 2011
12:50 pm
From governor’s statement, which I just posted:
In order to make several programmatic changes to Pre-K, Deal announced that the state will move from a six-and-a-half hour day to a four-hour day.
JacobLocke
February 22nd, 2011
1:01 pm
From a few conversations I’ve had today, it looks like this really is the best model. The main issue is subsidizing all of the tuition increases in the past few years – the money is simply not there. Even if you remove the bonuses for the lottery folks, that’s just a drop in the bucket. Deal inherited this mess from Sonny and from the USG. Redirect your “anger” there. It stinks, but it’s the reality.
I recant what I said earlier about Deal’s choosing the rockiest path. Looks like the other paths aren’t even passable with 4WD.
Gail
February 22nd, 2011
1:05 pm
Thanks for the link to the legislation. Did anyone besides me catch that it says the SAT score must be from “a single administration of the SAT?” But at least the put in a GPA requirement for the HOPE grant.
David Sims
February 22nd, 2011
1:09 pm
1200 is a very easy score to reach or exceed on the SAT these days. Even many of the Atlanta high school students can do it. If grade inflation is as bad as people are saying, the colleges will sooner or later begin disregarding high school grades and base admissions on the SAT and on their own entrance examinations.
There is one dirty secret in schools, both high school and college. The assignment of grades is partly political. That teacher or professor has a percentage of leeway in how he will reward a student, and a student who has been reported as saying uncomplimentary things about his instructor might find an echo of the instructor’s displeasure in his report card or in his GPA. The best of students might find himself being partly graded on his “attitude.” Grades aren’t made in strict accordance with uniform rules, except when the grading is done by a computer and the instructor has no chance to handle the test answer sheets.
Maureen Downey
February 22nd, 2011
1:10 pm
Folks, I just talked to the governor’s office and wanted to make sure that you saw this, which I added to my latest blog entry:
Students now in college can only qualify for the Zell Miller Scholarship, the full HOPE ride, if they had a 3.7 GPA in high school and met the SAT/ACT score cutoffs.
So to be clear: That means that even juniors now at UGA with a 4.0 GPA all three years can never get full tuition if they did not graduate high school with a 3.7 GPA.
That means many students now in Georgia colleges have lost full HOPE for good, regardless of stellar achievement in college. They will only qualify for HOPE Lite.
Aquagirl
February 22nd, 2011
1:25 pm
Oh, man. I was going to open my windows on this fine springlike day, but I don’t want to be disturbed by the screaming.
Stacey
February 22nd, 2011
1:27 pm
@Come on Son 12:12pm…You took the words right out of my mouth! I got $100 per semester book stipend when I was in college (20 years ago) and was elated that it was $150 that I didn’t have to come up with!
Gail
February 22nd, 2011
1:55 pm
Maureen,
The juniors are on the Fixed for Four Plan. How does this new HOPE plan impact them? 90% of this year’s tuition @ UGA is more than their “fixed for four” tuition amount. Does that mean they will get 100% or are they reneging on the “fixed for four?” Maybe that will save a junior who did not graduate HS with a 3.7 or the required SAT/ACT score. As you said – complicated!!
Double Zero Eight
February 22nd, 2011
2:13 pm
Students with tougher majors will be penalized. Students with
easier majors will be rewarded. Maintaining a 3.7 at Clayton
State, North Georgia or West Georgia is easier than maintaining
a 3.7 at Georgia Tech or UGA.
All schools in the university sytem are “not created equally”
class of 2011 mom
February 22nd, 2011
2:16 pm
David Sims @1:09 – I don’t agree that a 1200 is easy. Not all kids are good at standardized tests. Those kids are going to have a hard time making that score “in one sitting”. My class of 2011 kid is not going to have a problem meeting the requirements of the new Zell Miller scholarship but I think of the classmates who were thinking all along that they were OK with a 3.0 GPA and now 2.5 months before graduation, they now have to rethink their plans. I have no problem with the new requirments but just don’t think its very fair to put them into place immediately.
Really amazed
February 22nd, 2011
2:25 pm
Isn’t this just a proposal??? 3.7 gpa 1200 math/reading. Why did they ever place a writing portion on the SAT if it was never going to count for anything. It should be based on a total SAT score not just math/reading. Plus Private high school students my as well just go back to local public for grade inflation and less challenging classes to show an inflated 3.7.
Maureen Downey
February 22nd, 2011
2:35 pm
@Gail, That is a good question. It may be 90 percent of what they are charged.
Maureen
JacobLocke
February 22nd, 2011
3:04 pm
@Really Amazed: According to the Governor’s office, the legislative leaders are behind this bill nearly 100%, so it’s all but a done deal.
Maureen Downey
February 22nd, 2011
3:11 pm
@Gail, From governor’s office after I sent your comment about fixed for four:
We’re working on this. It is in fact a very interesting situation
Stooge
February 22nd, 2011
3:32 pm
The inflation at my high school is already off the chain so why not more?. We’ve already had Guidance change a grade on an administrator’s child so HOPE would not be threatened. Teachers are so desentized to it that they won’t bat an eye to tinkering with the grades even more.
Show Me The $
February 22nd, 2011
3:36 pm
“I expect greater pressure on teachers for grades to earn the full HOPE.”
You can count on it. This is real money and after all these years there’s a sense of entitlement to HOPE scholarships. Parents won’t give it up easily. The pressure on teachers, principals and administrators to give better grades will be unrelenting.
redhousecat
February 22nd, 2011
3:53 pm
I guess I don’t understand the grade inflation thing. Is that what happens in high school?
After discussing this this morning with my cohorts in academia, they expressed a deal of relief stating that at least now there is a possibility of having students that actually want to be in class and learn. They also stated that they certainly aren’t going to hurt their chances at tenure or lose tenure because they inflated a grade.
Top School
February 22nd, 2011
3:54 pm
Not worth my time. I don’t have any children.
collegemomma
February 22nd, 2011
3:57 pm
What constitutes rigorous classes?! My daughter was in gifted classes and AP classes all thru High School and did not drop down to college prep. classes just to maintain the 4.0 GPA like several of her classmates. She should have though- then she could have gotten into any college cuz UGA doesn’t look at class rigour only GPA!!!
Boatfoot
February 22nd, 2011
5:07 pm
Are they going to standardize GPA statewide? Or are we going to see county-to-county variations to game the system. Is the GPA weighted or unweighted? Currently Gwinnett gives +10 points for AP classes. A dual enrolled student can make a 100 at UGA in Calculus and the school system gives the student a 95, yet an AP student can make an 86 and be given a 96 on thier records at the county. Counties like Cherokee don’t do this
They really need to think this thru especially since county school systems set their own rules. Then you have private schools, home-schooled, etc… Due to grade inflation and ‘gaming’ the system, GPA is extremely easy to manipulate individually and by a school system.
Once in college, a 3.5 at Georgia Tech in Engineering is a lot different than a 3.5 in History at Valdosta State.
New teacher
February 22nd, 2011
5:14 pm
I’m not too bothered by the proposals. 90% of tuition is not bad at all. Most parents/college students don’t get this kind of break for a 3.0. I like the idea of the Miller scholars but I think that 3.7 in high school get it, and 3.5 in college may be a bit steep. A 3.7 can get students into more prestigious out-of-state colleges, so why bother with GA schools, if I can go to a name-brand school (which, face it, is what most parents care about)? I’d lower that to 3.5 in high school.
As for colleges, let the Big 4 (i.e. the research universities) pick their own cutoffs for Miller scholars. For example, to graduate with high honors at Tech, one needs a 3.35, because it is just that hard to obtain that GPA, nonetheless a 3.7.
What did bother me was the loan forgiveness (of a super low interest loan!) for those who CAN’T maintain a 3.0 in college and TEACH math and science. We complain about the competency of teachers, teacher prep programs, the need to math/sci teachers with backgrounds in math/sci, but we are going to forgive the loans of math/sci teachers who struggled with the material themselves? Encouraging people to become math/sci teachers who aren’t proficient enough to get at least a 3.0 does not solve math/sci teacher problem. It just puts more bodies in the classroom, which I thought was a problem in the time of doing more with less.
Dona
February 22nd, 2011
6:02 pm
Coming from a current junior in high school, I am extremely stressed out by this new change. I understand that it’s partially my fault for getting bad grades my freshman year, failing one class, but I have been working my butt off ever since to get a better GPA. Right now, I stand at a 3.0 gpa and I know it’ll only lower if they take the ten points off out of my AP classes. Just because a student made a few mistakes doesn’t mean that they are not worthy of Hope. Many students go into high school not knowing the circumstances and how severe it is to get a single B. This isn’t about the teachers doing a bad job, because it honestly isn’t (most of the time) and it isn’t about how he made this choice (it partially is). On my behalf, I think the school system itself is a mess; I do blame myself for most of my high school career.. but it still bums me out completely that my hard work these past two years have done nothing. Some of you parents or even teachers may find it easy, but never try to speak about an issue when you aren’t able to step in that person’s shoes.
Top School
February 22nd, 2011
6:25 pm
Will 3.7 GPA for full HOPE lead to more grade inflation?
Or cheating?
The parents new don’t ask don’t tell policy…Cheat? I don’t think so!
http://www.TopPublicSchoolCorruptionAtlanta.com
Dekalbite
February 22nd, 2011
7:13 pm
I don’t agree with keeping a 3.5 to obtain a full ride for all students. Does anyone realize how hard it is to keep a 3.5 if you’re a math or science major? How many students can ace organic chemistry and biochemistry? Can we really compare these majors to elementary education courses?
Fericita
February 22nd, 2011
7:30 pm
I think the 4 hour pre-K day is a great idea; that seems more developmentally approriate for kids that age anyway. Parents might not like having to find an extended day placement, or paying extra for extra hours. But, in terms of what kids need to be ready for Kindergarten, I think 4 hours a day is fair.
Yes, a bit of entitlement
February 22nd, 2011
7:52 pm
When I graduated from high school in 1986, I would have been thrilled to have any part of my tuition paid from by a scholarship offered by the state. I was able to get Perkins loans (yes, quite a few years ago) and some grants to pay for my $25,000 per year private school. I worked in a paper mill over the summers – 12 hour shifts either 6 am – 6 pm or 6 pm – 6 am. I worked in the dining hall my freshman year in the dining hall working on the food line learning humility by serving meals to my peers. I worked the remaining years in the Financial Aid office. My parents couldn’t pay my tuition, so expecting them to wasn’t going to make that happen. I didn’t have a car until I bought one myself my senior year so I could get to my student teaching assignment. I don’t remember thinking that it was anyone else’s responsibility buy MY OWN to figure out how to cobble together the tuition I needed each year. I remember standing in the middle of campus one night on my way to the library and feeling an overwhelming sense of pride for getting MYSELF there. I hope our students today aren’t losing their opportunity for that feeling of accomplishment. I’m a high school teacher today, and I’m not feeling too hopeful that most of our students will keep their HOPE scholarships if they are able to get them in the first place. Oh, and I am an alumnus of a 4 hour a day kindergarten program that was held in the local church.
come on son
February 22nd, 2011
8:10 pm
LIKE!
Yes, a bit of entitlement
February 22nd, 2011
8:24 pm
Dekalbite
February 22nd, 2011
8:29 pm
Agree with the reduced hours for Pre-K. Much more developmentally appropriate.
Retired Educator
February 22nd, 2011
8:35 pm
I keep hoping and wishing for a little honesty on intentions, but never seem to get it. Deal being Deal, and all his cohorts have the intention of taking away from the average student access to HOPE. This has the consequence of having innercity kids/folks who are the biggest supporters of the lottery buying and paying for an education for the kids in the suburb.
I know someone will say that I’m playing the race card. To an extent, I am, but what I said is true.
Equitas
February 22nd, 2011
10:48 pm
It seems as if “tuition inflation” is a greater risk than grade
inflation.Covering the full tuition of a student earning a 3.7
grade point average is definitely a benefit to some students,
but the enhanced requirement also changes the original
intent of the Hope Scholarship-to encourage a broad group
of deserving students to enroll and graduate from a university,
wihile subsidizing the cost of tuition. The 3.0 guideline exist
today, but it is clear that it might be phased out in the future.
Laura
February 23rd, 2011
12:54 am
For everyone complaining about the low-interest loan/science & math teachers aspect of this proposal, you’re thinking about it wrong. I’d MUCH rather have a person who graduated with a 2.9 in math or chemistry than a person who graduated with a 4.0 in education teaching me math or science. In high school, I had one of each of these types of teachers, and I can tell you who had the most positive impact on me as a student.
Laura
February 23rd, 2011
12:58 am
@collegemama, you are quite mistaken. I am a sophomore at UGA and one of the highest ranking factors in your admission is the rigor of your high school GPA. I entered UGA with a 3.5 (weighted!) high school GPA, a 26 ACT/1970 SAT, and 8 AP classes (with very good scores on all the tests), and I can tell you that I am sure my AP classes are what helped me to get in, early admission at that.
What if
February 23rd, 2011
7:21 am
ANY time a measure is drafted into service as a high-stakes measure it will become corrupted. Take CRCT at APS, for example. The SAT is a bit harder to corrupt any more than it is (not much because of security precautions far beyond CRCT), so although by far the largest impact on the scores is socioeconomic level (and the learning opportunities that brings to a child), it would be a reasonable measure to incorporate – at least as a check against grade inflation. That of course still leaves Zell’s original purpose in the dirt.
What if
February 23rd, 2011
7:31 am
AND, the pressure for grade inflation at the colleges will be enormous, as well as the temptation for students to avoid taking difficult courses – not to mention avoiding Tech and UGA for ‘easier’ schools. To deny these effects would be the height of naivete. The carrot for math and science students to enter teaching may be useful – we have an enormous oversupply of college math and science graduates in the country as has been thoroughly documented – there are WAY too few jobs for WAY too many people, so to encourage them to go into teaching may leave us with a few who actually stay in the profession long enough to become decent teachers. Of course, they won’t be able to read or write – - – but we obviously don’t care.
redhousecat
February 23rd, 2011
8:44 am
@Dekalbite — I can see if you graduated from a Georgia Public school that math and science may be difficult in college, but there are many, many students who do just fine in math and science (myself included). All it takes is discipline, responsibility, and a will to better your Georgia education.
Many people have done it, and many more will continue.
Mandy
February 23rd, 2011
10:18 am
Alright, I had hope my entire time at college. My gpa went up and down between a 3.22 and3.4 my whole time at UGA. What’s fun is at UGA I was consired in Excellent Academic Standing because most kids there drop below a 3.0. Also, when I was there the plus and minus system was still in effect. Which yes, it does make your gpa lower. For example an A is a 4.0 and an A- is a 3.7. A B+ is a 3.3. I’m not sure if hope takes into account the plus minus system. If so, these kids will be getting robbed big time. I have to agree with other posters on here. A child with those SAT and GPA can get scholarships to Ivy League Schools or better state schools in general. So, what is the point in going here? Also, I don’t think one test should decide this. I’ve always been agains the SAT and ACT. I had a 3.8 GPA in high school but I’m terrible at standardized test. I barely broke 1000 (this was on the 1600 system) on my third try. I hate these test. If my gpa wasn’t so high, I wasn’t accepted in to UGA right away due to my SAT. I went to another University for one year, earned then transferred. All because of one test???? Absurd.
wow
February 23rd, 2011
10:27 am
I have to say it. I worke my butt off at UGA for my 3.4 GPA. This is a complete slap in the face. It’s basically saying, your too stupid to earn the full ride. Ouch. Anyone ever been to college, you know that a 3.0 and up is a great GPA. You know those kids all worked hard for it. And mine was on the Plus – Minus system. Which is a B+ on that system. At least they are paying people 90%. But so many people were depending on the full payment. They don’t pay fees anymore either? These kids can look to pay $1,500 a semester. Oh and tuition and fees just sky rocketed. I’m glad I graduated in time. This is targeting low-income individuals. My advice to you, look into as many scholarships as possible to help with the extra 10% Tuition, fees (which are beyond pricey), and books. Terrible.
Mandy
February 23rd, 2011
10:33 am
One more thing…The majority of Freshmen who receive the hope, do not keep it. They lose it so quickly. I knew hundreds of kids who lost their hope within the first year. Only a few managed to get it back. Also, I know someone else commented on this. Be glad that you’re receiving 90%. No other state has this scholarship. The governor could’ve cut it down to 50% if he wanted to. Things could be far worse. But I do agree. This will be a problem for low-income individuals. When you’re accepted into a university. Immediadtly contact there finacial aid department. They have plenty of other means to help the low-income people with the extra money they now have to pay. As for the rich kids, don’t worry mommy and daddy will pay. They always do.
Top School
February 23rd, 2011
12:46 pm
Smarter than a 5th Grader?
Your options:
Copy or Cheat?
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Orome
February 23rd, 2011
8:44 pm
Grade inflation isn’t the real problem. Most colleges, and intelligent people, know which schools and teachers inflate grades as well as those whose grades actually have meaning. The real problem is the damage being done to education overall. If a bright student can make a B in an honors or AP class but an A in a regular level class you are now going to see the brightest students taking the easiest classes. High school education in Georgia is about to step backward as far as possible.
It would have been nice if our leaders in government, who seem to have little true understanding of education, had put the responsibility for HOPE on the colleges, where it belongs. Businesses have been paying for grades for years. When they require people to go back to school they pay full tuition and books for those who make an A, 85% for those who make a B, and so forth. If the state would put a similar plan in action high schools would be less prone to inflate grades, more students would want to take upper level courses so they would be better prepared for college, and HOPE wouldn’t be paying for students to take 30 hours of courses which they are not prepared to pass. In addition, students would want to do their best in college because that is the only way they would have their costs covered.
Albert Bodamer
February 24th, 2011
8:35 am
I posted this case against the 3.7 GPA requirement for the Zell Miller Scholarship in my blog: http://wp.me/p1j2to-54 Please visit and comment.
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I understand and appreciate the challenges facing the ongoing viability of the HOPE Scholarship program, and I appreciate the legislature’s efforts to remedy the pending budget shortfalls. I do not disagree with the majority of the proposed changes to the HOPE program. However, the pending requirement to attain a 3.7 High School GPA to qualify for the prospective Zell Miller Scholarship is problematic for the following reasons:
1) A student already enrolled in a Georgia College who has previously failed to achieve a 3.7 High School GPA would never be eligible for the Zell Miller Scholarship, even if—in the extreme case—they scored a perfect 1600 on the SAT and held a 4.0 GPA in college.
2) How grades are awarded vary widely from school to school, so GPA is an unreliable indicator of ability. Most universities focus on aptitude tests such as the SAT and ACT for this reason. Georgia Tech, for instance, requires that the student self-report their grades. The state’s premier technical university realizes the problem with GPA and focuses on aptitude tests and extra-curricular excellence.
3) The 3.7 GPA requirement penalizes high school students who take honors and AP courses. Weighting points are removed and if a student gets an A in an AP class, they are unable to get the 0.5 point bump and achieve a 4.5 score. So the highest weight a student can obtain is 4.0. Without weighting, there is no distinguishing between Honors and remedial classes. So, perversely, students are motivated to take the easiest possible core curricula to maximize their potential to achieve a 3.7 GPA.
4) Finally, the 3.7 requirement to maintain the scholarship is completely unreasonable. The average GPA at Georgia Tech is approximately 3.08. To graduate with an engineering degree from Georgia Tech requires a 2.0, and the average GPA of Tech Presidential Scholars (the top 150 in each class) is 3.68 (source: http://www.me.gatech.edu/docs/ME%20low%20res%20proof.pdf, page 9 ). Student’s in Georgia Tech’s Honors Program have average GPAs of less than 3.5 (Source: http://www.me.gatech.edu/docs/ME%20low%20res%20proof.pdf, p 21). Given these statistics, the bulk of Georgia Tech’s students, including its Presidential and Honors awardees, would fail to qualify for the proposed Zell Miller Scholarship.
These facts relating to the GPA requirement are in conflict with the stated intent of the Zell Miller Scholarship. We should not be penalizing students who pursue the most challenging curricula in our high schools and universities. And we should not be creating perverse incentives to take easier classes or attend less challenging Universities.
I hope the Georgia legistature will consider these arguments persuasive and work to eliminate the GPA requirement from the Zell Miller Scholarship and focus instead on the SAT/ACT requirement.
Reader
February 24th, 2011
11:41 am
“a student who can get a 1200 on the SAT or a 26 on the ACT was probably already making a 3.7 with the current level of grade inflation.”
Do you have a clue what you’re even talking about? A 1200 on the Sat will hardly get you into a community college.
Really amazed
February 25th, 2011
9:27 am
@Reader, do you realize that the 1200 is only for the math and reading portion old SAT. Yes, 1200 total on reading/math/writing would be very easy. 1200 on reading/math another story. I don’t know why they ever added the writing portion if they weren’t ever going to be taking that portion into consideration. My son does better on the writing section than reading section. The reading section are based on very long reading passages, remember this test is timed. They should have a total score for the whole SAT. Not just reading/math. I have also wondered why the total on ACT at 26. Why aren’t they just considering the reading/math portion on this.
Brian
February 25th, 2011
2:16 pm
I’m in that group you mentioned with high SAT’s and a high school GPA which doesn’t meet the cut-off. I made a 2370 (enough to earn me unsolicited offers of full rides at 5 universities), but had a 3.5 and am now slapped with coming up with over $1,000 for next semester.
Time4change
February 26th, 2011
6:52 am
Is the 3.7 weighted with bonus points for advances courses or unweighted?
Can anyone help me find a link to the actual proposal? I teach high school and want my students to be informed.