Should grad schools warn students there are no jobs?

The job market is not so welcoming today, especially to newly minted attorneys.

The job market is not so welcoming today, especially to newly minted attorneys.

If you have a healthy chunk of time today to read, please take a look at this lengthy New York Times piece on the grim job prospects facing young attorneys.

The Times explores the disconnect between the healthy job market/earning potential depicted by law schools in their recruitment efforts and the bleak reality that confronts new lawyers. I have several friends whose children are unemployed or underemployed freshly minted attorneys. One has given up the hunt and is trying to make it as caterer in New York.

The Times writes:

Job openings for lawyers have plunged, but law schools are not dialing back enrollment.

Apparently, there is no shortage of 22-year-olds who think that law school is the perfect place to wait out a lousy economy and the gasoline that fuels this system — federally backed student loans — is still widely available. But the legal market has always been obsessed with academic credentials, and today, few students except those with strong grade-point averages at top national and regional schools can expect a come-hither from a deep-pocketed firm. Nearly everyone else is in for a struggle.

I often wonder about the obligation of colleges to inform students of the likelihood of jobs in their majors. (I am speaking as the mother of a philosophy major.)

I understand that many people do not ever work in the discipline they studied in college, but I assume that most people who pursue graduate school expect to work in their chosen fields.

What is the obligation of colleges and grad schools to hold off cashing those tuition checks until they caution their prospective students that there is a weak market for philosophy professors or attorneys?

A typical rejoinder is that students should study what they love and the rest will fall into place. I am not sure that many people can afford to adopt that posture in these new economic times where entire industries are in scale-back mode and jobs continue to disappear or move to cheaper shores.

As the NYT notes:

To judge from data that law schools collect, and which is published in the closely parsed U.S. News and World Report annual rankings, the prospects of young doctors of jurisprudence are downright rosy.

In reality, and based on every other source of information, … a generation of J.D.’s face the grimmest job market in decades. Since 2008, some 15,000 attorney and legal-staff jobs at large firms have vanished, according to a Northwestern Law study. Associates have been laid off, partners nudged out the door and recruitment programs have been scaled back or eliminated.

And with corporations scrutinizing their legal expenses as never before, more entry-level legal work is now outsourced to contract temporary employees, both in the United States and in countries like India. It’s common to hear lawyers fret about the sort of tectonic shift that crushed the domestic steel industry decades ago.

But improbably enough, law schools have concluded that life for newly minted grads is getting sweeter, at least by one crucial measure. In 1997, when U.S. News first published a statistic called “graduates known to be employed nine months after graduation,” law schools reported an average employment rate of 84 percent. In the most recent U.S. News rankings, 93 percent of grads were working — nearly a 10-point jump.

In the Wonderland of these statistics, a remarkable number of law school grads are not just busy — they are raking it in. Many schools, even those that have failed to break into the U.S. News top 40, state that the median starting salary of graduates in the private sector is $160,000. That seems highly unlikely, given that Harvard and Yale, at the top of the pile, list the exact same figure.

How do law schools depict a feast amid so much famine?

“Enron-type accounting standards have become the norm,” says William Henderson of Indiana University, one of many exasperated law professors who are asking the American Bar Association to overhaul the way law schools assess themselves. “Every time I look at this data, I feel dirty.”

A law grad, for instance, counts as “employed after nine months” even if he or she has a job that doesn’t require a law degree. Waiting tables at Applebee’s? You’re employed. Stocking aisles at Home Depot? You’re working, too.

Number-fudging games are endemic, professors and deans say, because the fortunes of law schools rise and fall on rankings, with reputations and huge sums of money hanging in the balance. You may think of law schools as training grounds for new lawyers, but that is just part of it.

They are also cash cows.

Tuition at even mediocre law schools can cost up to $43,000 a year. “If you’re a law school and you add 25 kids to your class, that’s a million dollars, and you don’t even have to hire another teacher,” says Allen Tanenbaum, a lawyer in Atlanta who led the American Bar Association’s commission on the impact of the economic crisis on the profession and legal needs. “That additional income goes straight to the bottom line.”

– From Maureen Downey, for the AJC Get Schooled blog

52 comments Add your comment

teacher&mom

January 10th, 2011
2:18 pm

Can no one think for themselves anymore?

teacher&mom

January 10th, 2011
2:20 pm

himself/herself….I’m suffering from oxygen deprivation. Just shoveled the snow off my driveway. I won’t be able to lift my arms for the rest of the week :)

irisheyes

January 10th, 2011
2:26 pm

When did it become a grad school’s responsibility to inform prospective students (who ARE college graduates) that the economy stinks? I’m assuming these incoming students (who ARE college graduates) are able to read various news sources for themselves. But, apparently not.

HS Public Teacher

January 10th, 2011
2:27 pm

No school would EVER make that public. Private or public colleges – it doesn’t matter. Why?

Ever job in every college depends on students. College like GA State are growing due to higher student enrollment. Why in the world would they do or say anything to discourage students from paying tuition? They would not, period.

Even in high school, we (faculty and staff) would never tell a child that there are very few jobs in the career of music, for example. Even though very very few people can make a living. High school football players often think that they can make the NFL even though they cannot start on the high school team.

The question is….. when do you tell someone that their ‘dream’ just will not happen?

really

January 10th, 2011
2:50 pm

by the time they are in grad school, no…

however, as a teacher, i warn students who want to go into education(especially if they want to teach in georgia). i wish someone had been honest with me before i started this road. i am honest with anyone who asks (and even some who don’t). haha

ellie

January 10th, 2011
2:56 pm

1. I think it is the responsibility of a school to say exactly what their graduates are employed in. Especially given the cost of education and the loans students take out. Coming out of school with a ton of debt and no job presents a very different world then what I faced coming out of college (35 years ago). It was fine to study what you want then go back and study what will get you a job. My debt when I returned to add on a ed degree was so minimal I could pay it off within 2 years even with a beginning teacher’s salary. That’s not true anymore.

2. I’m retiring after next year but if I was facing a what newly minted teachers appear to be facing with college debt on top, I’d be choosing my profession with salary and longevity as my top consideration. After i have a good paying job then return to school at night to study “what I want”.

btw….I was looking at empoweredga website today and saw the recommendations for the teacher evaluations under RTTT. New teachers with poor evaluations (based 50% on test scores) have 3 years to fix that or they lose their certificate forever in Ga! veteran teachers have 5 years and same consequences. Have these people totally lost any sense? Maureen am I reading this correct???

I can tell you right now……i’d lose my certificate in 5 years. I work my butt off to try and get these kids to pass. I’ve long since bit the bullet and now “teach the test”. Yes it works in that my EOCT scores crawled up a bit but if 50% of my evaluation is based on them I might as well throw in the towel and head off to another career. In 5 years I would be booted out the door anyway.

Well here’s the link to the whole list of changes and proposals……http://www.empoweredga.org/Articles/whatrtttmeans.html . Id love to hear some comments on this one.

Changes to Certification
New Teachers
- will no longer be able to exempt the GACE Basic Skills test with a high SAT score; all teacher candidates must take the GACE test
(148)
- will be placed on a 3-year probationary, Induction Certificate
- if PLU (Professional Learning) and high-stakes test score are not met at the end of 3 years, their teaching certificate will not be
renewed and they will be banned from ever teaching in Georgia. (119)
Current Teachers
- will stay on the same 5-year certification schedule
- if PLU (Professional Learning) and high-stakes test score are not met at the end of 5 years, their teaching certificate will not be
renewed and they will be banned from ever teaching in Georgia. (119)
Colleges and Universities
- “publicly report and link student achievement data to the programs or institutions where teachers and principals were
credentialed” (147)

applying for grad school

January 10th, 2011
2:57 pm

I recently met with the head of the grad school I would like to attend. It is a very small, niche program at a rigorous school. One of the first questions he asked was what did I want to do when I finished the program. I am a middle school teacher and intend to stay in my current job. He explicitly told me there were not many jobs available in college academia (where most grads look for work) and did not hesitate to warn me of the job market. Grad students from this program are competing for the same jobs as Ivy League grads. He also asked right away if I would be “self-funded” or if I would require financial aid because the grants and fellowships are drying up and the ones that remain are becoming more and more competitive. I told him I was surprised by and appreciated his candor in painting the picture as-is rather than trying to recruit a student with false hopes. I would not expect this to be the norm at most Universities though.

Tony

January 10th, 2011
3:12 pm

The one real truth from this article is that there are too many lawyers.

School Closings

January 10th, 2011
4:03 pm

DeKalb County schools are closed tomorrow, Tuesday. Already been announced on TV and radio.

crystal

January 10th, 2011
4:41 pm

I am currently studying for my paralegal certificate and with the dirth of jobs for new lawyers, I am afraid that I would have a hard time getting a job because jobs that would normally go to paralegals, are going to be filled by lawyers who cannot find work.

Progressive Humanist

January 10th, 2011
5:26 pm

I think for-profit colleges need to be required to report more honest information to potential recruits. These colleges tend to be very expensive and have misleading advertising that gives a highly inaccurate portrayal of the students’ job prospects once they graduate. Students applying to these schools are most often middle-of-the-road to poor students who didn’t do well in high school and have limited job opportunities. Many do not have the knowledge to discern whether the potential for earning is worth the cost. Too often the students finish school and end up with $50,000 worth of loans and an $8 an hour job at a restaurant. That’s bad for everybody involved except for the for-profit institute.

As for graduate schools at more credible public and private universities, I think the potential grad students should be able to weigh the variables themselves. It’s not the universities’ responsibility to provide adults who have already graduated from college with career guidance. The information should be reported, but it should be the student’s responsibility to access it and make their own decision.

I will know shortly how the job market is for recent graduates. I recently finished a PhD from a national research university and have about 15 applications I’m waiting to hear back on. I know there will be many other applicants I will be competing against, but these days so many of the “doctors” in education have quicky EdDs in leadership and other questionable areas that they earned in 2 years from an online program or other diploma mill. I’m hoping that my choice to go to a national research university for 4+ years will pay off. If not I’ll continue to be a well paid, overeducated high school teacher. I won’t complain about that because many people can’t find any job right now. I’d just like to put my knowledge to use at a higher level. But I’ve also made some careful fiscal decisions along the way so that my family and I will be fine if that does not happen right away. However, I won’t blame the university I went to if I can’t find a tenure track position right off the bat.

Elliott

January 10th, 2011
5:28 pm

Not all law schools are created equal: If you can’t get into a T14, you probably shouldn’t go, as your chances of landing a “coveted” $160K/year Biglaw job are slim. Incidentally, the attorneys I know who did get the prestigious associate positions are among the most miserable people on earth!

An American Patriot

January 10th, 2011
5:59 pm

Well, to be honest, having less lawyers might not be a bad thing. That would mean less lawyers making a career in politics :)

wanna be teacher

January 10th, 2011
6:02 pm

I sure wish I had known what I was in for in the teaching profession before I started my MAT program. Reality is that it was my fault for not researching it better though. If what ellie says is true, Georgia schools will be begging for people to teach in 5 years. Self-respecting, educated people are not going to stand for that kind of treatment.

John Q. 6-Pack

January 10th, 2011
6:17 pm

The NYT article is a great read. The supply and demand forces of the marketplace have finally reached the legal profession.

Law Schools haven’t changed their basic model in about a century, and it’s kind of funny watching the ground shake beneath the feet of those pointy headed law professors who were not able (or willing) to make it in the private sector as lawyers.

Atlanta mom

January 10th, 2011
6:51 pm

Seems to me, that it’s up to Mom and Dad to inform their youngins what result can be expected from an undergraduate degree program. Seems to me, that it’s up to the Graduate student to figure out what the result of his/her additional degree and debt will be.
Just as the credit card folks can no longer issue credit cards to students under age 21 without sufficient means/wages, maybe the student loan programs need to be looking at who they are financing.

Sam

January 10th, 2011
7:13 pm

If it’s my dream to become a lawyer, then no statistics about a bad job market are going to keep me out of law school.

poorrichard

January 10th, 2011
7:16 pm

Cutty

January 10th, 2011
7:57 pm

College grads should be able to stick their finger in the air and see where the winds blowing… Healthcare Services, IT, etc. With that said, if someone really wants to be a lawyer, it would be rather difficult to talk them out of it.

Hannah

January 10th, 2011
8:09 pm

My friends that are in grad school and that plan to go to grad school aren’t going because they think it will land them a job–They’re going because it will help them delay having to get a job. They know the odds aren’t good and they’re hoping the extra year or two will make their chances better. For me, being $40,000 in debt and not having a guaranteed job after wasn’t worth it.

BOB

January 10th, 2011
8:16 pm

tony at 3:12 – one other truth about the article is that there are too many opinion writers at the ajc

ScienceTeacher671 at gmail.com

January 10th, 2011
8:17 pm

A college graduate – especially one who wants to become an attorney – ought to know something about due diligence. ;-)

Karl

January 10th, 2011
10:46 pm

You should go to graduate school because you want to learn. Getting a job in the field is a huge plus but if we think of college and graduate school as job training we are setting outselves up for disappointment.

I know a number of people with graduate degrees, including JD’s who do not work in their fields of study … and are very happy!

Still Think Higher Ed is a Good Idea

January 10th, 2011
11:05 pm

So what should those who have been hurt by the poor economy do? While jobs are down in many sectors, higher education, which has never provided a guarantee, does have a long track record of improving one’s prospects. And lawyers have a long history of prospects with above average pay. Due diligence will illustrate that ST671.

Sure, sure, Columbia Grad JD, MBA,,, real smart, right? Well how in the HECK could someone with this classroom success make a decision to go $250K in debt? And poor fellow says he has no parents to turn to. I was about to burst into tears when I read that. According to the ABA’s website, there are 13 million potential clients in our criminal courts right now. Sometimes it’s not what a person wants to do but what they are willing to do. Sounds like this guy wants to start at the top and work sideways.

I read a mention of “market forces” above. You make a point. And with 15,000 unemployed 20-something lawyers facing debts approaching a million dollars after interest is added, bankruptcy, divorce (frequently caused by financial stress), and crime seem ripe to increase. Further, the NYT article speaks condescendingly about those who stock shelves. There is nothing wrong with doing that! God bless the shelf stockers!

Progressive Humanist

January 10th, 2011
11:42 pm

Undergrad degrees should be for the love of learning and expanding one’s horizons. That’s where students really learn about the world and become adults; high school instruction is too basic and limited and distorted by the realities of behavioral problems and students who don’t want to learn.

However, graduate degrees are about careers. By that point the content matter is highly specific to a certain field. You’re moving toward the very edge of human knowledge in that particular field, especially if you pursue a doctorate. Most people will owe some money, and many will owe a lot of it, by the end of a graduate degree, so it is not prudent to put so much effort into study in such a narrow content area if you cannot make career out of it. My BA was for a general education; my graduate degrees were vocational training. But if I can’t make a career out of those degrees it’s my fault, not that of the universities where I earned them.

I think part of the problem is that not enough people study and excel at science and math in high school and undergrad. There are definitely jobs out there for people with graduate degrees in those fields, but too many people are seeking graduate degrees in fields that are extensions of relatively subjective liberal arts fields. I’m sorry, but I don’t believe that someone with a PhD in English will have a more valid interpretation of a piece of literature than someone with a bachelor’s degree. And in a practical sense, I don’t think there’s much value to society in being adept at analyzing fiction. If I had it to do over again I’d have studied biology in undergrad, but that wasn’t at all valued in my Christian conservative home. Instead I studied literature and got a good general liberal arts education. Educational psychology was about the only field of science I had the prerequisite knowledge for, so that’s what I pursued. I’m happy with that choice given where I was when I entered grad school, but if I had been involved with science earlier I could have earned a doctorate in neuroscience or evolutionary biology, two fields I perceive as weightier.

Either way, I don’t feel bad for out of work lawyers. We all have to weigh our options and make informed decisions, and we are responsible for those decisions ourselves. We just need more students involved in science and math at an earlier age.

Toto: exposing the myths

January 10th, 2011
11:45 pm

I have a relative who did not do due diligence in college and wound up with a degree in journalism and a job right out of school. However, he didn’t see the Internet and market crash coming and decided to move on to greener pastures five years later. The greener pasture was law school! He is an excellent student and was first in his class which earned him a full scholarship and a clerkship(?) for a judge. His chances for work after graduation will be better than many, however, the younger “regular” law students are now competing against seasoned students like him. We’re all fighting for too few jobs. While many law firms such as the ACLU led the way for this nation’s destruction, what went around is now coming around on their own heads. This is not a total tragedy.

zeke

January 11th, 2011
12:08 am

The obvious stupidity in the article is that a recent grad from any college, no experience, can start at 160 thousand! It shows what is wrong with the USA!!!

Toto: exposing the college loan bubble...

January 11th, 2011
12:14 am

“I know I sound like a broken record, but I feel my message is worth repeating:

Student Debt will take away all of your freedoms as a US citizen.

Freedom to find decent employment.
Freedom to marry without involving the spouse in the debt.
Freedom to take out a mortgage, car loan, or other type of loan.

Default will make matters much worse.

My default added 40 thousand dollars to my Student Loan debt.

Today I owe 300K, and my life is OVER.

Please kids, read this post carefully and heed the advice, or you will end up in debtors Hell for the rest of your adult life like me.

Never, ever take out student loans. If you cannot pay cash for a higher education–Don’t go!”

This comment from one of the lawyer scam blogs says it all.

Progressive Humanist

January 11th, 2011
12:36 am

So the ACLU led the way to the nation’s destruction? I thought it was the housing crisis, deregulation, and a nonsensical war that bankrupted us. Shows what I know. It’s ironic that someone who complains about a loss of freedom would attack an organization founded to protect American civil liberties (liberty = freedom). Hypocritical much?

Kids, sometimes loans are necessary- for houses, for cars, for education. Just don’t do what Toto above did. Make prudent decisions. Go to a brick and mortar state school, preferably a research university. Only take as much money as you absolutely need. Keep a part time job while you’re in school. Make sure to maintain good grades. Choose a major that you’re interested in but will give you the prerequisite knowledge you need for a decent career afterward. You don’t need to be rich, but you have to be able to earn a living and it should be in something you will be happy doing. I had to take out some loans, but I ended up with a PhD and only 20k in debt. Works for me. The investment will be worth it in the long run.

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bubbaFrank

January 11th, 2011
1:02 am

Forget IT, those jobs are outsourced or off-shored. You can get a graduate degree in CS or IT however getting an entry level job with no experience be prepared for help-desk consulting. Pay $9 – $12 hr, benefits (maybe!!!!).

bubbaFrank

January 11th, 2011
1:04 am

Think of getting your masters as like being in the military, an adventure then go get your CDL and drive a tractor-trailer for a living.

Consumer Fraud

January 11th, 2011
1:24 am

The real issue is that the law schools are publishing misleading (fraudulent?) statistics on employment prospects. It’s a consumer protection problem. Even the ABA oversight committee members, according to the NYT article, feel that the numbers are cooked. The students are entering into an expensive contract — $80-200K — based on false information.

As to the issue of needing fewer lawyers, most everyone who is involved in business understands that they are necessary for the functioning of our justice and property systems. Does this also imply that we need as many as we have and that the fees are appropriate? Probably not.

If nothing else, lawyers shouldn’t be allowed to serve in Congress as that constitutes a conflict of interest — more laws = more lawyers. ;^)

Waldemar

January 11th, 2011
1:31 am

Yes, graduate schools should warn prospective students that there are very few jobs waiting for them at the end of their studies (which can take as long as a decade in PhD programs). They should warn them loudly and clearly. Furthermore, they should take some collective responsibility and drastically reduce the number of students admitted to graduate programs. Instead, universities have become addicted to grad-student labor to operate the way that they do, and so continue to make the problem worse by churning out more and more over-educated and increasingly unemployable people.

Not only should potential grad students be warned about the job market, but they should be warned about grad school itself, which devours years of people’s lives… years that could have been spent earning a salary and building a career in a field that offers employment possibilities. Individuals often pay a terrible price for unknowingly heading down the grad-school road only to find that there is nothing at the end of it. Society pays a price for this massive misdirection of time and energy as well.

The “100 reasons not to go to grad school” blog has plenty to say on this topic:
http://100rsns.blogspot.com/

Burroughston Broch

January 11th, 2011
2:00 am

If I go to grad school then it is my responsibility to first determine what my employment prospects are after I graduate. If I am not mature enough to do this, then shame on me.

As for the grad schools, they are in the education business to make a living. Keeping enrollment high keeps the grad school staff in their jobs. Do you really expect them to advertise against going to grad school? What a silly thought!

Toto: exposing the college loan bubble...

January 11th, 2011
2:16 am

Progressive Humanist (an oxymoron), please use your critical reading skills. I did not take out a college loan. What I posted was a QUOTE and it was put in “quotes” with a source.
Here’s one of the founding members of the ACLU:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felix_Frankfurter

Mia

January 11th, 2011
3:29 am

As a recent law school graduate who is now working for free at a volunteer legal position, I can confirm that the NY Times article is absolutely correct about the legal marketplace and law school. I began law school back in 2006 before the economic crash and even then our employment prospects were overly inflated. Many of us never expected to earn big law firm salaries but I did expect that I would earn more then I did as a file clerk at $13/hour. I am now too “overqualified” for that job and many other low skill jobs. I have sold my future for the false promise of a legal career. I am drowning in $160,000 in student loan debts that I do not know how I will pay back . Law school is a joke and I applaud the NY Times for telling the truth and hopefully preventing others from making the same mistake that I did.

ScienceTeacher671 at gmail.com

January 11th, 2011
5:56 am

My siblings and I were not allowed to take out student loans for our education, and we followed this policy with our children. Some of them took longer to finish than others, due to having to work to help finance their educations, but so far they have all finished debt-free. After watching young (and not so young!) coworkers struggle with making student loan payments, I highly recommend this approach.

Michael

January 11th, 2011
6:34 am

What’s being said now about prospects for J.D.’s has been true for over a generation about a broad array of other disciplines, ranging from the humanities to the sciences. The fact is, much of what we’ve been told about the power of education is baloney, and much of the disinformation is coming and has been coming from grad schools themselves. Decent academic leaders long ago started coming clean with prospective students about job prospects. The fact that law schools are resisting this amply-provided example is reprehensible. Beyond that fact, we need to call out our politicians who use the false promise of education as a campaign talking point. By all means, let the NYT article serve as a warning to students: go into your education with your eyes open and with the realization that you are your only advocate in crafting a career.

Dan

January 11th, 2011
8:00 am

Why is anyone surprised that a “Law School” would sell snake oil? 50% of what lawyers do is manufacture business via subversive techniques. There are already far more attorneys than the real demand requires

Jack

January 11th, 2011
8:37 am

The job market favors those with medical and technical training: not arts and law.

williebkind

January 11th, 2011
8:44 am

Lawyers do not add to a community–they take from it.

Tall

January 11th, 2011
8:48 am

…..”and the gasoline that fuels this system — federally backed student loans — is still widely available.” That’s the source of the problem. Turn that off and the problem will clear up. If law school grads can clear six figure salaries shortly into their careers, why do they need Sallie Mae?

Bobby Buck

January 11th, 2011
9:11 am

We have entered an era signifying the need for “job creation”. INFOBUCK.COM’s worldwide healthcare paradigm instituted in Virginia. http://infobuck.com/whats_new.html

It's the Economy, Stupid

January 11th, 2011
9:36 am

While it is easy to blame the adults who choose to attend grad school in fields with bleak post-grad job prospects, the end result will impact all of us when people start defaulting on their federal loans because they cannot find jobs.

What's best for kids?

January 11th, 2011
9:43 am

I heard that many, many students of education are putting off their student teaching. Gee, wonder why?

Atlanta Reagan Conservative Catholic

January 11th, 2011
12:03 pm

Are you kidding me? I think Downey’s liberal left-wing brain has finally frozen solid along with the snow and ice on the Atlanta Roads. I second the comments made by the American Patriot…the world’s worst, most unethical profession is lawyering and we should be celebrating “less lawyers” not worrying about it. The legal profession can easily be assigned the primary blame for the reduction of manufacturing jobs in the United States, and for what is TRULY WRONG WITH OUR HEALTHCARE SYSTEM today. The profession has fueled America’s propensity for being an overly litigious society, and driven healthcare costs to skyrocketing levels due to the exhorbitant amounts of liability insurance that must be carried by doctors in order to be able to practice in today’s ridiculously sue-happy society – this is the bulk of healthcare costs. Additionally, in addition to liberal politicians (most all of which are lawyers) turning the US into the country with the the second highest corporate tax rate in the world, they have also made the US manufacturing sector one of the most overly regulated in the free world. The socialists that run our Universities want you to believe it is “greedy insurance and greedy corporations” who are causing all of this, and for those of you who believe that, you deserve the fate that is handed to you (no jobs) for being stupid enough to believe it and for not seeking a full and proper education in Economics. I think the mix of a liberal Democratic Congress and Socialist President has awoken people in the US enough to fuel the revolution that has been needed for ages – people need to stop living outside of their means, stop suing to become rich and being a leech and menance to society, and to call out the legal and political profession for what they are doing to our country.

Dr. Craig Spinks /Augusta

January 11th, 2011
2:03 pm

How many of these un-/under-employed graduate school alums has our Georgia Professional Standards Commission recruited to work in our state’s public school classrooms?

Mitch

January 11th, 2011
5:41 pm

Thinking that all lawyers will make $5 million a year as did Roy Barnes last year is just an illusion. We have hyped “education” in any and all fields as being the road to riches. Sometimes it is and sometimes it is not. Wht you learn at home from birth to about age seven is far more important than what ever degree you hold. That everyone who masters high school math is somehow “educated” is the biggest lie of all.

Toto: exposing the college loan bubble...

January 11th, 2011
6:05 pm

This song is dedicated to all of the unemployed JD’s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akZ-edeKDXs&feature=related
You might like this one too…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsJHqstPuNo&NR=1