CRCT cheating: AJC says time for APS chief to go

The AJC editorial editor called for the removal Dr. Beverly Hall.

The AJC editorial editor called for the removal Dr. Beverly Hall.

The AJC is calling for Atlanta Public Schools Superintendent Beverly Hall to either quit or be fired in the wake of  revelations that she did not release a report she commissioned validating the newspaper’s data-driven investigation of improbable test score gains.

And the AJC is asking the attorney general to look into possible criminal violation of the Georgia Open Records Act by the district’s withholding of the damaging  report, which upheld the findings of AJC’s Heather Vogell and John Perry that APS gains on spring 2009 Criterion-Referenced Competency Tests were highly unlikely, if not near impossible.

Hall requested the report last fall after the AJC identified 12  schools with the most unfathomable score swings. Hall commissioned a separate data analysis of the 12 schools by Andrew Porter, dean of the University of Pennsylvania’s Graduate School of Education. It was given to the system in May, but the board of education was not told.

I talked to several education folks about Hall’s leaving and they agreed, whether they support her or not, that her departure would create instability in the system for at least a year.  There would be a big question of who could run the system after her exit, especially since her team is perceived as her strongest allies. It is not clear that there is anyone on board in the top ranks who is not tainted by association.

So, how Hall can be removed without further hurting the children and the stability of APS?  Any ideas on that challenge?

In an editorial by Andre Jackson, the AJC writes: (For an opposing view, please look at this piece.).

It’s time for a new chapter for Atlanta Public Schools. Beverly Hall should resign immediately or be terminated.

That is a shame. By most accounts, Hall, in her 11 years as superintendent, has made much-needed changes; brought in grants and other outside money to the schools; and moved some test scores forward. But when this newspaper uncovered signs of cheating nearly two years ago, Hall and the district turned a blind eye.

In an Aug. 4 interview with WABE after the release of a blue ribbon commission’s report, Hall acknowledged problems and promised that those found guilty would be severely punished. Still on message, though, she added: “I’d say that we still don’t know what was going on. And I think I was hoping that the report would answer that. It did not. So we’re going to go back and figure out what went on. What should we have known? We can’t yet say there was pervasive cheating because the report is very clear that they don’t even want to say that.”

Hall’s reluctance to accept what’s likely the truth led Gov. Sonny Perdue to heed this Editorial Board’s suggestion and take the extraordinary step of appointing two special investigators and, later, to bring in the GBI to do what Hall and Atlanta Public Schools would not do.

That’s led to 50 of the GBI’s 240 agents assisting in the investigation of Atlanta schools. Federal officials are also reportedly investigating the district for possible fraud related to illicitly raised test scores.

It’s too early to know for certain just how widespread the problems were, but it’s a credible allegation that some district workers cheated, or helped students cheat. That’s plain wrong, and tantamount to robbing students of their right to earn a decent education.People need to come clean. But, more importantly, we need to begin the process to restore the Atlanta schools. The current board minority is still fighting with the majority over the replacement of the chairman. This seems like a lot of energy focused in the wrong place. The current minority should acknowledge the mistakes they made, drop their fight over the chairman and work with the current majority to begin the process of finding a new superintendent.

– By Maureen Downey, AJC Get Schooled blog

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ALEX

November 20th, 2010
11:01 am

She doesnt need to be removed. SHe did her job. AJC go sit down and try selling papers else where.

Teacher

November 20th, 2010
11:08 am

Why is this news? The AJC just reported that Hall has given notice that she will NOT seek a contract extension.
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/25861913/detail.html

Teacher

November 20th, 2010
11:08 am

Oops – It was not AJC, but WSB.

Maureen Downey

November 20th, 2010
11:11 am

@Teacher, The AJC is reporting and I have a blog up. But it was clear all along she wasn’t staying beyond the spring. One of the raps against the five-person majority is they wanted to control the search for the new super. (Again, still not clear why they couldn’t control it anyway by their majority numbers.)

The issue is should she go now?
Maureen

ScienceTeacher671

November 20th, 2010
11:13 am

Sounds to me as if she should have been gone a year or so ago, but I’m not in Atlanta….

Teacher

November 20th, 2010
11:24 am

Thanks, Maureen. I didn’t see your new blog!
I think many underestimate the leadership qualities of many APS
principals, and I do believe education at the building level will be maintained for Atlanta’s children.
As for Central Office, could it get any worse? I am still waiting for educational materials I ordered in July and equipment orders I placed last spring have not been fulfilled and are now denied. Even with Hall at the helm, the Lawson System is broken!
However, I have confidence that education of Atlanta’s children will go on and ven improve due to the many dedicated teachers, administrators, and staff!

Teacher

November 20th, 2010
11:25 am

Ben B

November 20th, 2010
11:32 am

There is no question but that she go now. The board should seek an outside replacement while they seek Hall’s replacement. Perhaps the recently or soon to be retired superintendent in NYC would like to visit Atlanta. The school board has a tough job to do and they need to do what is best for the Atlanta school district.

BOO/BYE!

November 20th, 2010
11:43 am

She has destroy APS! She removed all the vocational aspect to receive the Bill Gates money. Kids were able to leave high school and get a job, now in APS you either go to college or hangout on the street. The vocational piece need to be brought back to APS. Some of the top homebuilders in metro area are APS alumni; they didn’t go to college!

Teacher

November 20th, 2010
11:52 am

@ Boobye!
The lack of vo/tech education is not an APS problem. these programs have been eliminated across the state when the DOE did away with the Technical Diploma!

Ernest

November 20th, 2010
11:53 am

Maureen, to clarify does this also mean the Chamber of Commerce’s hands are dirty also with respect to not disclosing the report findings? Why do I have a feeling this may go beyond the APS Central Office?

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Lynn43

November 20th, 2010
12:13 pm

A few years ago, my school system was in much the same disorder as I see in Atlanta-no cheating scandals but many other problems. After new Board members were elected, this person resigned (knowing what was coming). Within 10 minutes, a new Superintendent was appointed from the ranks. He had been kept in an administrative position (in name only) by this old superintendent after replacement of all other administrators (and many teachers).

What a wonderful superintendent this person has been. The school system went from the bottom to the top. The finances were in a precarious situation, but last Spring, no staff was furloughed, and this system is now one of the best financial positioned systems in the state. No employee lost a job this year. SAT scores are above the national average and no schools are on the “Needs Improvement” list, and there has been a “Zero” tolerance edict for anything “suspect” concerning testing from the beginning. There are pages I could write about the positive changes this person has brought.

My point, is there not someone left in APS who is there, only as a token old regime employee, who has been studying, building skills, and educating him/herself on how to “fix” this mess who could take the reigns and repair this damaged school system? NYC and Washington D.C. failures need not be considered. There was no disruption in our system, and the same could be for APS.

Strom

November 20th, 2010
12:16 pm

Wouldn’t you hate to have her job. She’s doing the best she can. Can you imagine how bad it would be if she didn’t cheat. Very little support at home.

teacher&mom

November 20th, 2010
12:39 pm

My school system had a superintendent resign in disgrace one week before the start of a new school year. On our first day back to school, we were without a superintendent. An interim superintendent was named within a week. The school year started, we all went into our classrooms, got to work, and promptly forgot about the scandal.

However, this very superintendent had a history of irregularities and rumors of unethical practices that were routinely ignored or swept under the rug…all in the name of avoiding chaos and disrupting the stability of the system. Make no mistake about it, the practice of allowing people to get away with unprofessional or unethical behavior, all in the name of preserving stability, does more harm than actually firing the person. For years, our school system suffered from a dysfunctional avoidance of the truth. I would compare it to a dysfunctional family that refuses to acknowledge dad is a wife-beater and prescription drug addict.

APS needs an intervention from Hall. It is the only way the system can move forward.

teacher&mom

November 20th, 2010
12:42 pm

Let me add that our system has flourished under new leadership, We have a new superintendent who brought the word “integrity” back to our central office.

Karma

November 20th, 2010
1:14 pm

I think she should be fired. She should not be given the chance to save face by leaving when her contract expires. She has ruined the careers of so many. Let’s let her see how it feels. Also, I hope someone will try to uncover what is going on with the 12 schools and their interim principals. I work at one of the twelve. We had an interim retired principal who is no longer our interim principal b/c she was retired to begin with. So now we have a second interim principal with the original one serving as a part time mentor. Meanwhile, our school is going to hell in a hand basket because neither one of these people are ever at the school. So now we have THREE people getting paid to do one job. Our original principal is still downtown playing solitaire or something. It is the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen. APS made a good move getting rid of our second furlough day. I want my money back from the first one we had to take on LABOR DAY – If they can afford all the garbage with these principals, all these reports no one knew about, hiring out the GA Dome AGAIN this year for their Money Pep Rally, then they can pay us like they are supposed to.
I say strap a turbo engine on her broomstick and send her fat a@@ back to Jamaica.

APS Teacher

November 20th, 2010
1:24 pm

@ Karma- I kind of love you. :)

Observer with no dog in this fight...

November 20th, 2010
1:32 pm

If you want to learn from the old Atlanta school boards, the Clayton County school boards and currently Dekalb County, an interim superintendent is not the answer.

Oh really...

November 20th, 2010
1:35 pm

@teacher and mom: If you in fact name that school system, I know for a fact you will have countless posts that disagree with you.

teacher&mom

November 20th, 2010
2:00 pm

@Oh really….LOL

catlady

November 20th, 2010
2:07 pm

How much greed, ineptitude, perfidy are the citizens of Atlanta willing to pay for? 8 MORE months? What a crock! Of course, an interim will be brought in and Hall will be hired on (for more big bucks) as an “advisor” for 6 months or more–like she could teach the new person anything worthwhile!

I would like to see the government and private groups recover, with damages, any money given to ATL schools and B. Hall in particular, for any “achievements” found to be bogus. It is an insult to the students and taxpayers that this has been allowed to linger all this time.

I work in a 70% free lunch school. 16% of our students are LEP. Yet, we have met the state goals for test results and attendance every year, without cheating. What a slap in the face that schools like mine have not had the awards and money showered on them!

Dr. John Trotter

November 20th, 2010
2:33 pm

Atlanta’s superintendent since the Summer of 1999, Beverly Hall, needed to go…pure and simple. We at MACE have been shouting it from the proverbial roof tops for years that she needed to go. We even picketed there last week on Trinity Avenue that “Hall MUST Go!” She just about ruined the school system, but the people of Atlanta are resilient. For the loyal APS employees, this is tantamount to the Berlin Wall coming down.

Now let’s get on with the true education of the children, not the phony increasing of the standardized test scores. Our children are real people, not widgets or gadgets or numbers. They need true education with teachers who nurture them, teach them, and correct them when they get out of line. Furthermore, we need administrators who will support these dedicated teachers when they are nurturing, teaching, and correcting these children.

Atlanta is the City Too Busy To Hate. Resurgens. Out of the ashes of the Hall Administration, I hope that the school system will rise. And I certainly hope that this board of education has learned from the mistakes of earlier school board members who thought that the answer was bringing in a slasher from New York or New Jersey. J. Jerome Harris and Beverly Hall were complete failures here in Atlanta. How about simply bringing in a Georgia educator…perhaps from the City itself, if there are any decent ones left who have not been run off by the Hall Administration? This would be a breath of fresh air. Gone With The Wind II. The scourge of the Beverly Hall Administration…the scorched-Earth policies…hopefully, they are gone with the wind. (c) MACE, November 20, 2010.

Burroughston Broch

November 20th, 2010
2:36 pm

She should be immediately terminated for cause with much publicity. She has betrayed the trust of the people of Atlanta. When she seeks another position (and you know that she will), it should be public knowledge of how she performed here. No more of the long practice of pawning my problem off on you.

As for John Rice’s opposing opinion, it’s another effort by the Atlanta Chamber of Commerce to cover their backsides. Their hands are just as dirty as Beverly Hall’s.

50% Vindication

November 20th, 2010
3:05 pm

It is about time that Beverly Hall gets a taste of her own medicine. She and her flock have been dishing out nonrenewals to highly qualified faculty and staff for years for the sake of running her well oiled machine. It’s not over until the fat lady sings. She needs to take her upstate Jamaican crew with her! Atlanta Public Schools need a clean slate. There’s gonna be a bright, sun shiny day! (in my best Jamaican accent).

Ernest

November 20th, 2010
3:05 pm

I’d be curious to know the t’s and c’s of her contract with respect to a dismissal prior to the contract term ending. Specifically, what would the payout be if she chose to retire in good standing? For certain, if she is asked to resign, she would be entitled to any remaining compensation on her contract unless it specifically addresses conditions that would relieve APS of any obligation.

Maureen, any idea about this? I would assume the language of her contract is available via the Open Records Act. Does the AJC have a copy of it?

Dr. Tim

November 20th, 2010
3:07 pm

The APS is lead by mediocre people who accept mediocrity and call it “quality.” The entire system needs a clean sweep, but it will not happen. There is no desire in Atlanta to do what needs to be done. The city is lost.

mike

November 20th, 2010
3:08 pm

I see the local rag is still up to their old tricks when dealing with local Atlanta leaders. Ever since Maynard was elected Mayor this so called newspaper has always had a negative agenda against against various leaders in this city. Personally I cant believe this is the only school system in this state with these problems. A segment of the people in this state just elected a governor who was under ethics investigation and tried to use is influence to get a public entity to pave a private road much less forgot he had a $2 million debt. Try making the same effort to report that.

Stressed Educator

November 20th, 2010
3:09 pm

@ Karma…I totally agree!! By the way I use to be a colleague of yours so I know exactly what you are talking about! As far as John Rice goes, he is just taking up for Hall because his hands are just as dirty as hers. Why is he relocating to Hong Kong? Hmm? Does he think she will sing like Tweety Bird when she indicted for fraud, corruption and robbing the children of APS of a decent education? This is just like a soap opera…….stay tuned!

Grizz

November 20th, 2010
3:13 pm

Though I’m not in the APS district, it would seem that unless Ms. Hall is charged with a crime, she should stay through the end of her contract. That would provide the school board adequate time to get their act together and find a quality replacement. As divided as the board is right now, selecting a new suprintendent would seem only to add to the divisions on that board.

what if

November 20th, 2010
4:51 pm

Someone else said it recently in another context – the “Live by the sword, die by the sword” parallel “Live by the worthless low-bid measures nothing test, die by the worthless low-bid measures nothing test.” Raising pass rates (NOT TEST SCORES) does not = better education for our kids.

Once and Future Springdale Park Elementary Parent

November 20th, 2010
4:54 pm

Maureen, I hope you are now prepared to renounce your many earlier postings in which you supported Bev Hall.

All along I (and others) have made the point that Hall’s biggest failing wasn’t putting pressure on the teachers (that was a GOOD thing) but refusing to acknowledge the massive cheating that resulted or to try to do right by the children (and parents) who were defrauded.

Your paper now makes it clear that Hall’s office actively hid evidence of the cheating as she pursued a strategy of deny, deny, deny.

Meanwhile, the morally bankrupt “educators” protected by her denials continue to teach our children (at least until the GBI finishes its investigation), but more importantly, the children who actually WERE cheated were cheated again, BY HALL HERSELF, who orchestrated this dishonesty, and her thoroughly repugnant spokesman Keith Bromery, who was complicit in all this deception.

Bev Hall had the chance to be a person of character; to stand up for the children who were cheated; to STAND for something. She revealed her true character by trying to cover up the scandal and save her own britches.

The newspaper was far too slow to publicly call for Hall’s removal but at least now it has located its man-parts, perhaps with some assistance from the TSA. No matter. It’s time for you, too, to publicly, in this forum, declare that you were wrong about Hall–or say why you still feel you’re right. And please–none of this “we’re better off to stay the course rather than change mid-year.”

Surely you, as a career journalist, understand the seriousness of this willful violation of the Open Records Act?

Karma

November 20th, 2010
4:56 pm

Grizz, I hope you are being sarcastic. That woman can provide NOTHING good for anyone and needs to be run out of town as soon as possible. We would be better off with no super, let the schools run themselves, they do anyway. All that woman does is ride around in her tax payer car with her tax payer driver while making stops at the nail salon and the local wing place. PLEASE.

Earl of Ft. Liqourdale

November 20th, 2010
5:35 pm

All kind of controversy has broken out down here at the condo over the Beverly Hall Resignation Gamblelation. I said that she would resign “by the 17th.” That’s all I said…”by the 17th.” Abe and Eli (who actually run these gambling pools) claim that I was talking about “September 17th,” but I didn’t write down “September 17th.” Neil T. Berger wrote down “November 16th,” and Abe and Eli are saying that he wins the considerable pot. I am protesting and taking this protest to Pompano’s in Hollywood where Sonny “Three Eyes” Gambino is the Godfather of all gambling on the Gold Coast. Heck, this is some real money! The eyes of the Gold Coast (especially our condo) have been on the happenings of the Atlanta Public Schools. Now the new pool centers on whether Hall stays through June or leaves before her contract expires. Of course, Abe and Eli have developed an over and under on this as well.

I’m just ole Earl having fun down here in Liqourdale!

Once and Future Springdale Park Elementary Parent

November 20th, 2010
6:10 pm

Let me make it even clearer for those of you still on the fence re: fire her now or wait ’til her contract runs out:

The moment Bev Hall received the report concluding students were cheated and decided not to approach those students (or their parents) to make things right but to cover it up–THAT was the moment she was no longer fit to lead this system.

The moment her lackey spokesman Keith Bromery decided to mount his pathetic and untruthful “we couldn’t release the report we commissioned because we immediately gave it up to ‘private investigators’ and didn’t keep a copy” excuse for violating the Open Records Act was the moment HE should have been gone. (Remember, he’s the guy who said the erasure scandal was really just APS students correcting their own mistakes as they’d been “taught to do.”)

This is way too important a matter for us to get all sentimental about the grandmotherly-looking Bev Hall. We don’t need to cushion her exit or let her save face or any of that nonsense. Get rid of her now. APS can have no credibility with parents while a person of her low character remains in charge.

Are you serious

November 20th, 2010
6:33 pm

@ Karma –No Georgia Dome this year. Just a short program in a high school gym.

Public Teacher

November 20th, 2010
6:34 pm

Quit or be fired? Naw. She will finish term and then make even more money traveling the Country talking about how great she is and how the APS scores went through the roof under her tenure. Heck, she may even get hired on with some federal education branch like good ‘ol Cindy.

Count on it.

APS nameless

November 20th, 2010
6:39 pm

Everyone is replaceable! The show must go on. We will prevail. Thank you Dr. Trotter for not being afraid to tell the truth!

shirley

November 20th, 2010
7:12 pm

There is no good answer to your question. If Dr. Hall leaves abruptly, some level of instability is likely. If she stays until the end of her term, the board has a reasonable period of time to transition to a new superintendent. I respect Mr. Jackson’s right to an opinion, though I disagree. Afterall it is coming from an editor who didn’t take a position on the various candidates for governor and statewide office. Nor has Jackson taken the state’s leadership to task for yet another year of poor fiscal planning – read another year of deficit spending and dependence on federal Stimulus funding- or worse traffic, poor water planning, a mental health system under federal court scrutiny, nearly $4 billion in cuts to education- a state worse off than it was 8 years ago. It’s hard to be persuaded or to give too much weight to Jackson who hasn’t proven himself a voice for accountability, integrity and reform when there are so many glaring omissions in his body of work about issues in our state.
At this point, the less disruption the better. I vote for Dr. Hall completing her contract. By doing so the board has more time to recruit a new superintendent and to transition their choice into the position.

Double Zero Eight

November 20th, 2010
7:24 pm

“There is no such thing as indispensable.” (quote from Dr. J. A. Wilborn).

Once and Future Springdale Park Elementary Parent

November 20th, 2010
7:37 pm

@shirley:

Still want to maintain the media are at fault for tearing down Beverly Hall’s/APS’ reputation, or are you finally willing to admit that she has done it to herself?

How embarrassed are you now that you asked Arne Duncan to intervene to step into this mess? Why don’t we get together and write another open letter now, and see what he has to say about it?

Let’s also hear what you have to say to the parents in this district who have been deliberately misled. I’m all ears.

catlady

November 20th, 2010
7:55 pm

If she made such a mess while she “cared”, how well will she do now that she is the lamest of lame ducks? Is THAT the kind of leadership you want?

Actually, I don’t believe a single thing, including the date, if it comes from the APS central office staff.

Save The Babies

November 20th, 2010
7:58 pm

When the Beverly Hall ship goes down I hope it takes with it Millicent Few, Sharron Pitts, all the executive directors especially Dr. Sharron Davis Williams, Cathy Augustine, Joyce McCloud, Burbridge (sp?), John Freightman, Board Attorney, All the racist white boys in Facilities, Dr. Grant, Emmet Johnson, LaChandra Burk, corrupt principals like Lisa Smith, Donell Underdue……..the list goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on.

Whew!!!! Fire all the booms. Clean house. It stinks at 130 Trinity Avenue.

They should walk them all to the sidewalk on Trinity and kick them to the curb like they have done so many innocent employees. YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW.

catlady

November 20th, 2010
8:01 pm

And those of you who wonder why the “Gang of 5″ felt the need to stage a coup, you now understand. While I bet the former chair and vice-chair, and the BRC members highly recruited from the Chamber of Commerce, knew about it and were in the loop, once again that the entire board was NOT enlightened. THAT is why the take-over, legal or not. When the chair unilaterally makes the decisions and presents them as fiat accompli, THAT is why she has to be stripped of authority.

The 5 could not have had any part in the decision-making if they were unaware of it.

I hope someone goes to jail for suppressing the report in violation of the Open Records request.

Erica Long

November 20th, 2010
8:05 pm

Mayor Franklin,

It’s always good to see you participate on these blogs. Your perspective is valuable. However, a couple of things need to be made clear. For one, there’s no need to deflect to the oft-touted excuse that the good ol’ boys in State Government are just as bad, if not worse than, our local government miscreants. That’s not the issue here. While you’re absolutely correct that our State Government is riddled with corruption and malfeasance, pointing that out now does nothing to remedy the situation of the thousands of Atlanta children Beverly Hall has robbed of their one best shot at a quality education. Secondly, I agree with you that our local newspaper should have paid more attention to the issues at stake in the recent statewide elections. However, that was primarily the job of our Democratic candidates and Democratic Party, and they all left a lot to be desired.

Any decent person in Beverly Hall’s position would have left office months ago. The only reason she felt compelled to announce that she won’t stay on at this point is because of the few people in this City who were interested enough to speak up for Atlanta’s children and keep this issue alive – Ralph Long, Vincent Fort and the AJC. Beverly Hall and her hangers-on were hoping to wait out the clock and sweep the issue under the rug, just like they did the unbiased report from your alma mater, the University of Pennsylvania. While you were writing to the Education Secretary on Dr. Hall’s behalf, she was ignoring lawful Open Records Requests and keeping Atlanta children and parents from learning the truth. Her actions have been misleading, dishonest and very likely criminal. The best thing she could do for Atlanta’s children is to book Delta’s next flight to LaGuardia.

Cousin Booger

November 20th, 2010
8:10 pm

Hey Earl, it looks like two of Dr. Trotter’s Trilogy of Educational Hypocrites have bitten the dust…Beverly Hall and Crawford Lewis. Now what about that third one, that feller named Mark Elgart of SACS and Alpharetta? He’s next, ain’t he?

BeScared

November 20th, 2010
8:10 pm

I remember when the University of Pennsylvania did the critical report largely confirming the newspaper’s findings last year that test results in a dozen schools were highly suspicious.

A gentleman from the U of PA shadowed an executive director and was very secretive during his stay. I smelled a rat then and I knew it would be exposed.

Lil Skeeter

November 20th, 2010
8:18 pm

Ms. Long, sitting here in this deer stand and freezing my butt off…but your post just warmed my pea-pickin’ heart. You have always told it like it is — and have always done so very eloquently. Thanks to Ralph Long and Vincent Fort and finally to the AJC, it looks like this Snake Oil Sales Lady may he headed back to Newark or Jamaica. Thanks also to Dr. John Trotter and MACE who have hounded Hall for years like hungry dogs. I’m sure they don’t mind being called dogs. They’ve been called worse, right? I resemble that statement! Ha!

Rev. Jimmy Jack Bourbon

November 20th, 2010
8:29 pm

Shirley: Do you mean “more time” for the Metro Chamber of Commerce and Sam Williams, et al., to meddle in the selection of a superintendent of their liking? Is that what you really mean? Come on, now, Shirley, let’s just break it down. Make it plain, sister.

Dr. John Trotter

November 20th, 2010
8:40 pm

If Captain Mark Elgart thinks that the waters were rough in the Bay of Clayco, I’d like to see his little SACS rowboat traverse the tempetuous seas of the Atlantis Public School System. This ought to be worth the price of admission! I’m selling popcorn!

Hang tough, Brother El. Mark Elgart hasn’t got the political gonads to take on APS. A mutiny on the political high seas will surely erupt! And so should it! SACS is a phony, private, money-sucking organization!