When saying “no” makes you a mean mom, we are in trouble

Rachel Simmons believes kids need limits and that saying "no" doesn't make parents mean.

Rachel Simmons believes kids need limits and that saying "no" doesn't make parents mean.

Few of us today can fathom the entertainment value that ancient Romans got from sitting in arenas and watching slaves and Christians torn apart by lions.

Perhaps, future generations will wonder the same thing about our choice of amusements: How could Americans sit back with a bowl of cookie-dough ice cream or a bag of Cheetos and watch the emotional blood sport of reality TV?

And how could we expose our children to this steady diet of public humiliation as entertainment and not expect it to influence how they act toward one another?

For all the debates raging now about how to stop bullying in our schools, we haven’t yet acknowledged that abrasiveness and incivility describe much of our national discourse.

We applaud it in politicians, relish it in “American Idol” judges and indulge it in online blogs.

“Nice” has now become a synonym for pushover or patsy. Teachers who call parents about a child’s misbehavior find themselves under the hot lights for what they did to provoke the kid or for singling out the student for something that everybody does.

“There is a sense now that acting out is a form of standing up for yourself,” says Rachel Simmons, a well-regarded expert on girls, relationships and aggression. Author of “Odd Girl Out: The Hidden Culture of Aggression in Girls” and “The Curse of the Good Girl: Raising Authentic Girls with Courage and Confidence,” Simmons is leading a workshop in Decatur Monday night for mothers and daughters.

“Girl power has been manipulated, repackaged and sold to girls and families in the forms of sassiness and meanness. The message to girls is that you can be confident by being sassy. You can be confident by being rude,” says Simmons.

Although the 36-year-old Simmons is far younger than no-nonsense parenting expert John Rosemond and has no children of her own yet, she echoes one of his main themes when she talks about the transformation in how parents react to news of wrongdoing by their offspring.

The first question from her mother, a teacher, to such a report would have been, “What did you do?” says Simmons. “Now, we live in a culture where the first response is ‘What did the school do?’”

In her talks around the country, Simmons says at least one mother comes up afterward and identities herself as “the mean mom in the class … the one who says you can’t have a phone, you can’t be on Facebook.”

“When saying ‘no’ is pathologized as being mean, that to me is a sign of the times,” says Simmons. And it’s not a sign that points in a positive direction.

“Kids have bullied their parents into giving into privileges that the parents know are too early to give,” she says.

“Kids tell the parents that they will be a loser if they don’t get a phone, and the parents panic and give up, but the kids desperately need limits on their use of technology. They live in a society that is selling them a life of electronic addiction,” she says.

Sophisticated ad campaigns that turn even preschoolers into voracious consumers alarm  Simmons. “This generation has been primed to be consumers before they were born.” Simmons notes that parents now buy classical music CDs to play for fetuses in the womb.

While she doesn’t advocate rigid authoritarian parenting, Simmons also doesn’t think that every discussion with a child should be a negotiation, especially with technology.

“If your child thinks your policy on technology is good, you are probably doing something wrong,” she says. “Because if most kids had it their own way, they would be online all the time.” As someone who studies adolescence, Simmons doesn’t envy today’s parents because of the cultural forces that disregard the moral health of children.

“It’s really hard to be a parent today. Everybody is pushing against you,” she says. “That is why you have to pick your battles.
“If your battle is no Facebook until high school or no texting until middle school, then do it. You have a right to draw your line in the sand.

The problem is when you don’t know where that line is,” Simmons says.
Simmons is hesitant to declare that children today are in crisis in America. “Children in Dafar are in crisis,” she says.

“Part of growing up is facing gut-wrenching challenges. It’s only a crisis when a family or school does not have the resources to support a child through the experience, whatever it is,” says Simmons.

While she agrees that teachers cannot be social workers, Simmons says, “On the other hand, you can’t teach if kids don’t feel safe enough to learn. Their social and emotional wellness are inextricably tied to their capacity to learn.”

To buy tickets for the Rachel Simmons mother and daughter workshop  at 7 p.m.  Monday at Decatur High School, 310 N. McDonough St., Decatur, go to www.acappellabooks.com or call 404-681-5128. Tickets  cost $18 per adult/child.

60 comments Add your comment

catlady

October 11th, 2010
12:28 pm

Ms. Downey: or maybe it was planned from the start, to see and document how far they could get. That DOES happen, you know.

Logical Dad

October 11th, 2010
1:03 pm

Amazing. It is no secret where bullying comes from. Parents here are bragging, BRAGGING, they they bully their children (although they would deny it – like most bullies do) and are not their child’s “friend, they’re a parent.’ I feel sorry for the children of bully parents. Unfortunately, as a 25 year law enforcement officer, I can tell you where the bullied children will end up – across the courtroom from us. And the parents will wonder how they “fell in with the wrong crowd.” Keep bulling, “parents.” I need the job security.

Jairs22

October 11th, 2010
2:11 pm

I’ll be the one to play devils advocate. Has anyone ever thought that your kids are playing you? I had a teen tell me she has 2 FB accounts. The one that her Mom see and is friends on and the one all her friends see. It’s simple to have multiple user names on FB. All of her friends have them and they friend each other so its almost impossible to figure out which one she actually uses. She also has numerous email addresses. Her Mom checks one and she makes sure none of the “juicy” stuff goes there. Have you heard of proxy blockers or proxy scramblers? It reports one address and allows you to visit other sites without recording the name.

Kids have access to all of this stuff at numerous places. Their friends help them. Their friends teach them how. These perfect kids you are boxing in are simply becoming sneakier by the seconds.

HStchr

October 11th, 2010
9:06 pm

Read the post about the teacher who snapped, read this, and let me know if you see an obvious connection. When kids rule the home and parents are “mean”, then you have the recipe for chaos at school. Kids need those limits, even if they rebel and call the parent names. In the end, they want to know where the limits are and end up appreciating the rules. As a parent, I have to put up with being the “mean” parent often. Funny thing is, all the kids in the neighborhood end up at my house and love being here because they get the attention, the praise, AND the correction they need.

Real Reformer

October 11th, 2010
10:32 pm

Almost every post in this blog is of like mind — we are “mean moms” or “mean dads” and I’m willing to bet our kids are all pretty well behaved (normal adolescent pushing the envelope notwithstanding). I agree with Jim Stoll — Maureen, the media needs more emphasis on parent responsibility, and how are kids are being so densensitized by too much of all this. A mom at one of Atlanta’s very “Christian” private schools was overheard saying “I can’t wait until tonight, to watch Nip Tuck.” So while sending her child to a “private Christian school”, her own values and behavior say something else. She can’t stay away from these near-pornographic shows.

Our kids watch what we do and how we act, not what we say!

Atticus Joad

October 12th, 2010
9:16 am

I don’t even watch American Idol – detest it – but using it as an example of bullying is ridiculous and part of the decline of America, an America where honesty is called bullying and disagreeing with a president is called racist.

Tuckergirl

October 13th, 2010
2:01 pm

As so many have already said, it starts when they’re little. Say “no” early and back it up. Teach them that there are consequences for their actions. My son is 3 and he knows that when he pushes the limits, we’re going to push back. This doesn’t always stop him from trying, but he knows that when we say he’s going to time out (even out in public), he’s going so don’t even bother crying or begging.

The problem is parents are too afraid their “little angel” will be disappointed or that their kid won’t “like them.” I am not here to be liked. I’m your mother and you need to respect me and my wishes. I am not your pal or buddy. You may not like it but that’s how it is.

Logical Dad

October 14th, 2010
10:31 am

Tucker Girl: Bully-Parent and proud of it. I feel sorry for your victim / child. You’re “not here to be liked” and you are not their “pal or buddy.” What you are is a joke of parent and a pitiful human being. I pray for your child.

B. Killebrew

October 14th, 2010
5:03 pm

“The Worst Parent In The World Award goes to…Logical Dad!”

Logical Dad

October 14th, 2010
7:38 pm

Sorry to disappoint, B. My son (a minister) and my daughter (an attorney – the good kind) would beg to differ. But its good to see there is still ignorance among the dumb masses. Alas, you are not alone. rest assured, however, as I’m sure your kids will say the same about you when they are paroled.