Sex, death and videotapes: College student’s suicide exposes the ugly side of our show-all society

Sounds like it was a couple for FOREIGNERS with the camera and the uploading computer.

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Malcolm X said it the best upon hearing about the assassination of JFK; “The chickens are coming home to roost.” H Rap Brown also hit on this subject by stating “violence is as American as cherry pie.”

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Nothing happened to this young man accept what he decided. He is an adult so lets not go shedding tears of this “poor student”. Actions have consequences and he chose his own.

“his privacy would have been respected and he might still have his life.”

HOGWASH.

The gay community one minute wants DADT, then stay in the closet the next. Just like the democrats are now realizing ya cant have it both ways.

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@ Eddie Longs Cadillac

“Nothing happened to this young man accept what he decided”

ooooooookay…

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uninterested, DIAF.

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I think the voyeurism of our society is a given. We’ve enabled it via technology. It is what it is. However, being gay is as individual as being blue-eyed, short, tall, black, white, etc. This wouldn’t be a problem if people were accepting and understanding of those different from them.

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We need to learn to accept people for who they are and not whom we want them to be. It should be a crime punishable by jail to post videotapes and pictures (any image) of anyone without their consent.

This does make me think about how hard it must have been for the four young men to come out and accuse Mr. “Bishop” Long of taking advantage of them.

Also, this country was built on a lack of ethics and morality from conception. I have seen the words “Land of the Free” written and spoken. However, you don’t enslave people and kill thousands of natives with the consent of the majority. The history is just a “Feel Good Story”.

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@Peadawg – Although you have the right to “think” what you want, you do not “know” that being gay is a choice.

You can “think” that the moon is made of cheese. It does not make it so.

Are you so hard-headed and so close-minded that there is not even a little part of you that believes that maybe, just maybe, you could be wrong?

Do you “chose” to be straight? Do you have a choice? Could you have sex with a man? Really? If you think that it is a choice, then you are admitting that you could have enjoyable sex with a man. Are you really able to admit that?

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This isn’t about being gay. This is about two imbeciles who thought it was cute to broadcast another person’s sexual activities

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Peadawg, crawl back under your rock. Being gay is not a choice.

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The issue is not about whether he was gay or not. WHY is it such a low level crime to videotape and BROADCAST LIVE sex acts??? What sick people who did that. They deserve the full extent of the law re punishment. Let’s start with broadcasting theirs…

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He was a Human Being.One of God’s Creation.Gay has nothing to do with this. It is about two people who violated his privacy and the made fun of his actions on the Internet. I wonder how they feel today about their actions? I feel for his family.

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Tyler Clementi was weak willed. Life is about coping with obstacles. He took a permanent solution to a temporary problem and the fact that this is being raised to the level of a felony only validates this. If more of you helicopter parents would spend lest time covering all the sharp edges of the world and teach your children that the world is not centered on them the better they and society will be.
What Wei and Ravi did was not cool either but it is the same level of prank that pantsing someone or running their underwear up the flagpole. Embarrassing and childish but harmless. Having and maintaining a healthy self esteem is not anyone else’s problem

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I definitely think homosexuality is a sin….but there is no excuse for this. These people should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. If this guy was having sex with a female and it was posted on the internet, then it is still wrong. The guy was in his own room and not in a public place. If I rented a house from somebody, is the owner allowed to have video cameras in my bedroom?? I don’t think so.

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Speaking as a Gay man. It’s not a choice. I did not wake up one day a select a sexual orientation. I vomit just a little in my mouth every time I hear the word “lifestyle”.

These two should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. They “outed” this young man for sheer sport.

Sadly, Clementi chose the wrong avenue to deal with the issue.

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No they should not and will not be prosecuted.

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This is a sad story, but he commited suicide………..unlike the matthew Shepherd case where he was murdered for being gay.

and Gay is as much as choice as Pepsi or Coke!!!!

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Did someone really compare what the two little d-bags did to pantsing or running someones underwear up a flagpole? You’re joking right? There are some real winners in here today. I’ll be over there to set the web cam up to film your gay sex session later then buddy. Stay Classy Atlanta.

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“homophobe”

So I’m a homophobe just b/c I think it’s choice? Nice try. I’ve met many gay people, worked on group projects with them in college, etc. The issue was never brought up.

“The two kids that put that video up need to be locked up for a long time.”

I agree. I never said what the 2 kids did was right.

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Some parents are so homophobic that they won’t admit they have a gay son or daughter. This in turn makes those kids fear being outed to the extent that they would rather kill themselves than to be out to mom and dad. Now that’s f’d up. LOVE YOUR KIDS!!!!

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Well, sadly there is a connection — Saxby Chambless staff are correct when they send out emails saying, “All Fags must die!” It is actions like the office of Senator Chambless and the damaged lives caused by Bishop Eddie Long that cost lives like this poor boy. The sooner Senator Chambless is able to stop his staff member from the deadly emails, the nation can move forward with less hatred and teasing.

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This is a tragic story. I couldn’t imagine having my personal encounters being broadcasted over the internet like it was no big deal…and I’m straight. This young man wa so humiliated that he felt the one thing he could do was jump off a bridge? Not only is what those two students did invasion of privacy I would go as far as call it a hate crime as well. I hope they wake up every day with the guilt that their stupid actions cost a young man his life. He chose to end it that is true, but those ADULT students chose to humiliate the man. You would think students who got straight A’s in high school would have the common sense to know what htey were doing was wrong. It’s so sad what this world has come too. THey should be ashamed of themselves I would go as far to say it should have been them jumping off that bridge not him.

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So, who draws the line as to what is appropriate and what is not? Societyused to do this “social norms” which we all accepted; but foul jokes and childish sniggering do not equal the effect of the WWW world. If we choose now to “police” the net, what will the reaction of the AJC and other media based editorial voices be? I think we know. It seems that in this case we have an obvious invasion of privacy, for which there is a remedy for in the courts. Sadly, the young man who took his life chose another course.

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@ MARTY – that is the stance I have had from the very beginning. As a mother, the fact that this boy was so scared for his friends/family to find this out that it was worh ending his life over, completely breaks my heart. May my son never be in that dark place in his mind, that he feels he’d rather die than let me find something out about him. By the same token, if my son was the one who did the videotaping, I would want him prosecuted. This was cruel. And unlawful.

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He chose to kill himself…if he was ashamed of his activities he should not have been partaking in said activities. So to the gay pride people, and their supporters, you can not have it both ways…don’t be parading around with your rainbows and glitter and then screaming for privacy the next.

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This is what you get when you have religious and political leaders railing against the alleged homosexual agenda/delusional claims of “flaunting”/it’s a sick “choice” etc. etc. etc.

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None of us knew this kid. Maybe he was gay. Maybe he was bi. Maybe he wasn’t sure what he was. Some people think homosexuality is a choice. Maybe he was seeing if it was for him and decided it wasn’t. It doesn’t really matter and it’s no one’s business. I find it very ironic that people who are so obsessed with gay people and bashing them are the ones who complain about too much government intrusion in their lives. If you want the government to keep their nose out of your business, keep your nose out that of everyone else! This kid was in the privacy of his own home. Stop blaming him and his sexuality for the embarrassment he was forced to endure because of his nosy, stupid roommate who probably has a prison cell in his future.

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Gay is no better than straight

What exactly is the “gay lifestyle”?????

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Sad story, but no one made that kid jump…

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Gay is no better than straight,

Are you kidding me? You think they’re calling YOU names? Please. In my opinion, they are the most persecuted minority in America, and you’re going to claim that you feel bad because of name calling? Pretty thin skin, don’t you think?

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Steve,

I remember the day I chose to be straight. Wait, no I don’t, because that never happened. Did you choose to be straight? Tell me about that day. How did you come to that decision? Was it a tough choice, or did you just know?

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By the Way – there seems to be a rash of suicides of young people going on – two 13 yr olds recently committed suicide. One of the boys’ parents were on Anderson Cooper last night, kid was allegedly bullied to the point of suicide. There is something weird going on with all these young people committing suicide. It’s a crying shame. Leave gay people alone, they have a right to be accepted for who they are.

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V for Vendetta,
Yes I chose to be straight and in fact it happened on July 23rd, 1985 when I actually started noticing girls and was attracted to them. I was 10 at the time and no it wasn’t a tough choice for me. Thinking about men in a sexual manner is not appealing to me at all.

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And by the way since you asked about that day, it was a sunny, clear blue sky, High was 93.

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Steve,

So before that your sexuality was in question? How brave of you to admit that. I have several gay friends and family members, and ALL of them told me they felt “different” from the day they were old enough to realize it. I certainly thought girls were appealing before I was ten. Sheesh. You’re in fifth grade when you’re ten. What took you so long?

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@ V for Vendetta. Please read what I said again. I didn’t say I was hurt by the name calling or that I feel bad because of name calling. I don’t result to name calling and insults when someone disagrees with me. I said although I disagree with the gay lifestyle, I believe there should be equal rights. I also said gay lifestyle as I call it. That’s because I believe it is a choice. I’m done. Make it a great day!

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@Gay is no better than straight,

Are you also known as Peadawg? I just noticed that you appeared as Peadawg disappeared….

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How people forget, the old robbie benson movie Ode to Billy Joe (1978) , same plot, guy ends up killing himself off a bridge for the same reason. Ironic. Too bad the internet has gotten where people love to bully other people just for something they did or are. The internet and specifically You tube has become the wild wild west and still is. Sad

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Steve,

You must have been an advanced 10 year old to be thinking about sexuality in fifth grade. I’m sure the ramifications of your choice were obvious to you then. It’s a good thing you didn’t make the wrong choice! Whew!

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yes, I know I meant to spell CHOOSE, my point is still valid.

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Come on son,

So attraction isn’t innate? It’s just a matter of choice? By claiming such narrow-minded stupidity, you’re asserting that genetics and biology have nothing to do with it. You CHOOSE whether or not you want to watch Dancing with the Stars or Project Runway. You don’t choose whether or not you like men or women.

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@ Steve, people don’t choose to have feelings, they choose how they act upon those feelings, and I’m with V – 10 years old pretty much don’t know squat. There are a lot of kids who don’t know how they feel about others, a lot of kids who are confused about what they feel – because they’re kids and still developing!

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When I chose not to have sex with someone of the same sex, I chose not to be gay. When I declined the advances of a gay man, I made a choice right then to not be gay. That is pretty simple. I chose not to do crack, I chose not to rob, I chose not to steal, I even chose not to kill. We all make choices. Unfortunately this young man was partaking in acts that he deemed embarrassing and chose to kill himself rather than face ridicule. Seems like he made a lot of wrong choices in his short life…

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Two issues here: one was that the two losers had that idea in the first place, without a clue as to what the boundaries of decency are. The secondary issue is that the deceased had a sexuality that obviously caused him tremendous guilt. Male/female attraction is the norm and what keeps our human race going, that is a no brainer, nobody can deny that. No matter what you feel and try to justify, this is a basic tenet of the perpetuation of the species. Any other behavior is deviant. We shouldn’t get into that whole issue because there’s no point in trying to argue against what is normal, not even going to get into the discussion about morals and what God has so clearly spelled out, it’s not relevant here. The homosexual agenda is being pushed, successfully so, when you consider what a shameful scandal it was only 50 years ago, now it is considered a matter of pride for certain individuals. Obviously, not all people are proud of their tendencies, as it became obvious in this case. We must never judge others, if we are indeed followers of Christ. All human beings are entitled to be treated with dignity and respect, and even love because after all Jesus died for all of us, not just a chosen few. It is important though to recognize sin for what it is and repent from it. Our life here on this earth is but a short time, eternity is what we have to keep in mind when we make certain choices. All choices have consequences, some more desirable than others. The main issue here is how our society has degraded to the point that people would think it a source of entertainment to do such a thing. Then again, we know this world won’t last forever, just read the Book of Revelation. The time is coming, sooner or later. Whose camp would you rather be in?

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The distinction between feelings or inclinations on one hand, and behavior on the other is very clear. Homosexuality is not a noun that describes a condition. It’s an adjective that describes feelings or behavior. When one acts upon those, it becomes a choice of personal preference.

I love how advocates pressure society to accept as normal what is not normal, and to characterize those who disagree as narrow-minded, bigoted and unreasonable. They are quick to demand freedom of speech and thought for themselves, but equally quick to criticize those with a different view and, if possible, to silence them by applying labels like “homophobic.”

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…and I know…choose, choice, chose….just trying to be the spelling nazis to the punch…

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JesusFreak. No, it did not mean he had tremendous guilt. It could have meant he was horribly humiliated. Would you be ok with someone secretly taping you having sex and broadcasting it all for to see?

And even if he did want to be quiet about it, just like sexuality, there is a wide spectrum of personalities. Perhaps he was a private person?

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come on son: “If you are “born homosexual” you still have to CHOSE to have same gender relations. There is a choice element in all of our lifestyles.”

I completely agree with this. It is just like all those uppity negroes wanting to use the same facilities as white people, or ride in the front of the bus, or choose to work the same jobs for the same pay as white people. The didn’t choose to be black, but they are sure choosing to want these things. Why can’t they just deny themselves? Why can’t they just stay away?

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My deepest sympathies to the boy whose privacy was so viciously invaded and his family. And I really, really wish we could bring back horsewhipping for the perpetrators of this sort of crime. It would be too good for them, of course… they’d still be alive at the end, unlike their victim.

I’m with Light on this one; and I wish the rest of y’all would quit airing your feelings/ prejudices about sexual preference. It’s no. one’s. business.

However. NativeAtlantan: This victim was an 18-year-old boy trying to figure out who he was. He was, as far as we know, with another willing person about his age. Eddie Long is how old? And extremely rich and powerful in the most imposing way–a “bishop” of a huge, supportive church. Does he choose to explore his sexuality with another man of his age and station in life? No; if the stories are true, he chooses poor kids who are more than 30 years younger than he, kids he probably figures won’t tell. This 18-year-old suicide is in no way comparable to Eddie Long..

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Ultimiately, this isn’t a gay issue. What if it was your daughter? How would she feel? How would you feel? I’m certain this young man felt violated, victimized. Often, we forget to imagine ourselves in the same postition. What they did was wrong. He committed suicide because of it.

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The crime here is the invasion of privacy! However, the progressive liberals who are for vile and disgusting behaviors are making it a gay bashing hate crime event. Shame on you Maureen! Your credibility has gone done tremendously.
No one knows why this homosexual committed suicide! All of you are speculating and using that speculation to futher your private agendas.
Shame on you Maureen. You have made journalism one step more less professional.

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I’m painfully reminded that this is Georgia.

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A terribly sad, tragic example of how technology deprives us of our privacy, and spreads our most personal details to a vast, learing audience.

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1 Cor 6:9, not shocking that most of your post was about what you believe he did wrong.

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a lie from the pits of hell??!! What?! There is so much they do not know about the brain and neuro-receptors and neurochemicals. It doesn’t have to be a gene, it could be some other mechanism.

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williebkind,

The legal issue may be as simple as invasion of privacy. The motives of the perpetrators may or may not have been tied to the victim’s homosexuality, so I don’t think the characterization of that portion of the story as a hate crime is accurate either.

Where I think homosexuality comes into this, is that this person was raised, either by his family, or by society, to believe that he would be better off dead than gay. Or perhaps that his parents would be spared more by his death than his homosexuality. That is the problem here.

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Thank You Lib/Con. If being gay is a choice why would someone choose to open themselves to the jokes, putdowns, discrimination, etc.

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come on son,

I think you missed my point. The issue isn’t about whether you CAN hide something about yourself in order to get equal rights, it is about whether you SHOULD HAVE TO.

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@Cor – maybe you are unaware, there are genetic conditions that can cause the lack of production of estrogen and testosterone, which can greatly effect one’s sexuality – look up klinefelter’s syndrome for example and other XX or Y genetic disorders… come on now!

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mo – I hope some of these comments are not coming from a congressional staffer

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Right ATL Mom, because in your world animals and children are consenting adults!

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So all of you know that the invasion of privacy was the reason the homosexual committed suicide? And you fear for the lives of other homosexuals because the homosexual could not handle the lifestyle he chose. I have not read where anyone stated that people could not choose their lifestyle. You are trying to make homosexuality normal. You want to indoctrinate our kids into thinking it is normal to complete your agenda–how vile!

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John K

September 30th, 2010
1:50 pm
C’mon have you not heard of stump broke mules?

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Unbelievably cruel of the 2 ADULTS who pretended to grant the fellow privacy and then spied on him, broadcasting his most private moments on the internet to humilate him and ruin his life, career, and more forever. They murdered a potentially great violinst who could have given so much enjoyment to the world.

These two adults should be proscecuted for 2nd Degree MURDER. These college students are not idiots. They schemed and tricked the roommate with intent to hurt him to the fullest extent. The two charged with the crime might as well have pushed him off of the bridge.

A lot of parents out there are raising sick, sadistic kids that seem to be straight out of “LORD OF THE FLIES”. Parents, take another look at yourself and your children, then get help….Call DR. PHIL….

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I’d like to know where everyone’s moral compass really is.

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When the two students Get to prison, I sincerely Hope they get exactly what they derseve.(and they Will) NO MERCY, RAPED, and who knows what else. Since some of you on here dont care any thing about the student or the pain his mother and father is going through Karma is waiting on you. . You REAP what you sow.

This young man did NOTHING to hurt those other students. You folks on here saying he shouldnt be gay and this and that and spewing the hate I sincerely HOPE some one tapes you doing something and place it on the net for the world to see. There are some things that can be embarrasing as well that is NOT a homosexual act.

Cant wait until the male student meets his cellmate..300 pound Bubba who guess what? happens to be gay and Heard about this story and decide to avenge the student that killed himself. And guess what? The guards will turn their heads saying they saw nothing. I would not want to be in their shoes..because trust me, that young man will be advenged..Also women do rape other women in prison with Foriegn objects..broom handles toliet plungers. When Inside gays get through with these two, they will wish they too they Jumped off the GW bridge. Karma is a bytch!

They will get theirs. and for some of you heartless bozos on here that have no heart for this young man’s parents..You will get yours as well..have a good day, Karma is waiting on You.

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Let me be more blunt,

If you believe homosexuality is a choice, you’re a moron. Keep clutching your dusty old book while the rest of the modern world leaves you behind. Check out Time.com for an article on the recently discovered planet that has possible Earth characteristics–such as water. Or did you think we were the only ones? I’m done with this foolishness.

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Well the true issue is the crimes involving invasion of privacy; I think a DA going after the hate crime angle can jeopardize the whole case/conviction, chasing this red herring. Like mentioned before, many heterosexual college students have “been caught on tape” and exposed.

As always, whenever homosexuality is a part of the conversation, there is always a big conversation. Atlanta is the last place anyone should feel “suppressed” about being gay; didn’t Atlanta just get named in the top 10 as the most “gay-friendly” cities to live in.

On one hand, gays want to be treated “like everyone else” but on the other hand they want special protections and laws, which is it? People decide (notice I did not use choose this time, lol) if they want to live openly or not.

What aggravates me more than anything is the amount of time, money, and effort spent on such a small percentage of the US population. The whole gay marriage debate just irks me to no end. For everyone worried about “Obama-care” raising health insurance premiums, they need to be more concerned about the increase in the number of patients your insurance company will have to carry by providing “spousal” coverage to non-traditonal couples. If I had a roommate, if we lived together for a number of years, at what point can he/she should be eligible to be on my health insurance?

We spend too much time on this and I am just as guilty, but I defend people’s rights to not agree with homosexuality without being labeled a homo-phobe and other names. What gay people need to understand is that not everyone is going to agree or understand their lifestyle and by the same token they can not force their beliefs on others.

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V says, “If you believe homosexuality is a choice, you’re a moron.”

Once again it does not surprise me which side of this argument always resorts to name calling.

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Maureen Downey

September 30th, 2010
1:58 pm
“What are you teaching your child?”

To abide by the law of the land! However, the laws of man are imposed by the lawmaker’s individual beliefs wether it is traditional or abnormal. I teach my children and future grandchildren that homosexuality is abnormal. We as a nation are decomposing the great experiment into a decadent Roman Empire. So not to learn from history is to repeat it. You are doing your part Maureen.

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Sadly, our moral compasses fade or all out disappear behind the safety of the internet. There’s very tiny (if any at all) risk of embarassment, shame, guilt or humiliation involved for posters claiming higher moral character while they spew hatred and judgement on others. Perfect example of what happened in this case…..two young adults seeing something they think is funny and posting it on the internet…..they didn’t know, probably didn’t care if their actions would have any negative impact on this young man. Actually, the thought PROBABLY NEVER EVEN OCCURRED TO THEM that they should even be concerned with the consequences of their actions. Sad state of society.

Just as it is with each of you on this blog…no one here knows if something they say here may hit home hard with another. Obviously we can’t police ourselves to the nth degree when posting, but we CAN be more responsible when dealing with personal information/pictures/video, etc. instead of taking the route of ZERO personal accountability along with ZERO concern for the feelings of others, which is most often the case.

The internet is much worse than the wild, wild west in that it’s really the Wild Wild GLOBE. Anyone’s identity can be hidden if desired, you’re not safe even locked up tight in your OWN HOME, and the sheriff’s done gone. The art of sympathy/empathy is completely lost. NO ONE cares how you feel, no one cares or regrets if they’ve made you feel bad, and certainly, no one would EVER try to put themselves in someone else’s shoes for even a moment. That part of the ME, ME, ME point of view really SUCKS *SS— actually, the ENTIRE me, me, me point of view falls into the suckage category.
Now that I’ve well and truly depressed EVERYONE here including myself, I think I’ll go have a coke and a smile and play with my kid and do something to help his self esteem stay healthy, intact and thriving even if just for today!

BTW, if anything that I’ve said has impacted you to the point of severe depression and you consider yourself at risk for harming yourself or others, please take your happy pill and seek immediate professional assistance, or hang up and dial 911.

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WE lost our way

You have obviously raised your child well. The truth is that many of us “abnormal” people are overacheivers. We have learned that it’s a requirement to receive acceptance for who we are.

However, we will continue to leverage our accomplishments to fight for equality and freedom from persecution, much to the dismay of several posters here. Hopefully these efforts will one day allow children to feel safe and comfortable with hope for tomorrow.

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“Actually, the thought PROBABLY NEVER EVEN OCCURRED TO THEM that they should even be concerned with the consequences of their actions. Sad state of society.”

Better yet had said act never occurred it could never have been filmed and never released on the internet.

It is what it is…the chicken or the egg.

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@ ITP and John K,

Not even close. To believe that just because one has an inclination to do something, that therefore acting in accordance with that inclination is inevitable, is wrong. Of course I would be there to provide love, support, help and provide encouragement. I would hope my children could come to me about anything and thus far it seems to be the case. But that doesn’t mean I have to accept the behavior. For example, would I allow my son and his partner to sleep in my home together with my other small children just down the hall? No. However, I would still love my son as much as I ever have. That would not change.

The biggest thing I take away from this story is that unfortunately, this young man felt that his orientation was the defining fact of his existence. He didn’t realize that he was so much more or perhaps he did but it became distorted along the way at some point. We all have the ability to choose which characteristics will define us; those choices are not thrown on us. When the unimportant characteristics get in the way of who we believe we are, it is destructive and leads to poor decisions. I wish he had understood that and my heart goes out to his parents, friends, and family.

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This story is really a trajedy. From reading other articles the two who filmed him and posted the story did not do it for vengeance or homophobia. They were apparently friends and the two posters thought it was funny. It doesn’t appear they had any evil intent. Now they have to live with the unintended consequences of their actions. No one wins in this situation other than perhaps others will learn from their experience and think before posting personal and potentiall embarrasing videos.

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williebkind, the move is to make homosexuality a “non-issue” in society. This is why so many young people, 16-25, “experiement” with same gender relationships as just a part of growing up but do not consider themselves gay. Also if you disagree with the premise that gays should have “special rights” then you automatically are hateful, a moron, branded one of the worst people on earth. All this for 3-8 percent of the population, but you are right, you would think gays made up 30-40% of the population with the amount of press they get.

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ATL Mom

I’m happy that you would at least still love and accept your child. All children deserve to be loved unconditionally.

Willie

Could you possibly be one of those people you describe who wants to be homosexual? You seem to have such a fascination with the subject. Please tell us why you are here?

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The biggest gay bashers usually have something to hide – they are deeply closeted homosexuals

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W/B – That was terribly cruel – to reject your child because of what they are is unforgivable. In an earlier post I stated that some people act as if bigotry, stupidity, adn arrogance were virtues. You just proved me right.

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Williebkind,

I never said it was a hate crime and by the way a crime is a crime to me. My point is simple people who make homosexually people feel like they are sub-human do have their hands in this situation. I am not calling for the gay bashers to get arrested only to look in the mirror. And also more people to step-up and say gay bashing is unacceptable end of story.

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Really ATL Mom? That’s what you get from the story? Your projection on what he was thinking and how he was feeling. A real round about way to get back to blaming him, but you managed to do it.

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I see teenage boys and young men go bonkers watching two women go at it. It is not the desire to be homosexual but the excitement of the opposite sex and the mental picture of replacing one of those ladies or joining them. However, those scenes do encourage bad behavior. Unless you are Bill Maher.

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Williebkind,

Many said the same about interracial marriages………In time people will look back and realize how gay bashers like you are just wrong like they were wrong about the above.

….I just believe it is abnormal. Your examples and analogies are self gatifying and do not change the nature of the world…..

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First and foremost, but being gay TODAY is mostly about choice. It’s just a numbers game with GLBT group, they want you to think all these folks are gay when it is just an alternative lifestyle. The gay & lesbian community are actually doing more harm to themselves as a group than they are trying to create tolerance and awareness (to a large group that really doesn’t exist). Think Al Sharpton, and that is the kind of eye rolling response you get when you think about gay rights groups!

These people that published this video should be punished for that and nothing else. They’ll have to live with and suffer the consequences accordingly. They’ve ruined their lives so to speak.

People who commit suicide often have other issues. I seriously doubt this incident is the sole reason for his selfish act. His family and true friends are the ones that we should feel sympathy for.

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“The biggest gay bashers usually have something to hide – they are deeply closeted homosexuals”

LMAO at that myth. You people say the same about men driving expensive cars trying to compensate for the lack of something. It’s the supporters and sympathizers like yourselves that really need to take a deep look at why they hypocritically support homosexual lifestyles. You have more to gain by supporting them than I do by not condoning their lifestyle. Birds of a feather …

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“I hope that the two foreign low lives”

Wow – now I believe we have an immigration issue to deal with in this whole unfortunate episode. You guys really need to pick your “bandwagons” more carefully! I’d be careful in labeling this a hate crime though, you folks are really starting to generalized and over use that word.

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Quite Frankly

No one is asking you to condone a lifestyle. Whatever that means. You obviously feel threatened by the accomplishments homosexuals have made. I have some bad news for you. Those accomplishments are only going to increase until complete equality is achieved.

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“Good parents teach their children to be accepting individuals who contribute positively to society without resorting to violence.”

Very true. But these children become adults at some point and however they were raised becomes a mute point.

I have a very liberal friend that taught her child to be respectful and tolerant of others. Once her child went off to college things changed. To make a long story short, he was bashed by gays for not being gay! Yep, his gay friends insisted he was indeed gay when he knew he wasn’t! Seems there is a fine line with accepting and admission in the gay community. This young man never resorted to violence but now he is now anti-gay because of his experience. Tolerance is like a 2 way street.

Most “gays” today are living a lifestyle. Much like 3 years ago people had faux wealth. Abnormal lifestyles are no longer shunned. It’s the normal people that need to worry about being bashed and ridiculed. Heck, it’s practically a crime to work hard and be wealthy today.

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Frankly – or should we just call you basher?

I have no idea what numbers game you are referencing. You are a threatened straight, white, older man. Am I correct? As we all know, your portion of the population has and will continue to decline. I can understand why you are threatened.

Nevertheless, your off-topic, self gratifying diatribes in response to an article of the potentially preventable death of a child thoroughly indicate your lack of maturity.

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PS ITP

Your ilk is the very reason many black folks including myself are forced to now live OTP! You have come into a community and taken over with your fake lifestyle. What you have posted here and by the rest of the supporters is all an act. You claim diversity and tolerance, but what do you really want in turn for our alliance? You ITP are a certified hypocrit living a lie!

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ITP,

FYI

Homophobia

……University of Georgia found that men who were found to be homophobic (as measured by the Index of Homophobia)[48] were considerably more likely to experience more erectile responses when exposed to homoerotic images than non-homophobic men…….

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophobia

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john konop

In light of this depressing subject, I must thank you for including such a humorous quote. I believe many would agree that those who are the most homophobic are indeed more inclined to homosexual thoughts. This, however, does not indicate that homophobic individuals are more likely to engage in “gay bashing” as you indicated earlier. Someone who is violent against homosexuals is not necessarily a homophobe.

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ITP
You go girl or guy, whatever.

As for “The Percieved Narrow-Minded One ” have you never heard of unintended consequences? Gee, I talked to my children about this a lot. Like: you take down a stop sign, because you think it’s funny, and somebody gets killed. Not so funny.

You don’t think, you do something stupid, you must accept the consequences

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Perceived,
“God’s Word is the FINAL AUTHORITY as to whether something is right or wrong.”
I suppose so, if you believe in that particular mythology. But, this is America. We are not required to believe in your myths.

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“This is why so many young people, 16-25, “experiement” wit”

Well I guess this experiment went somewhat off course and into the ditch, no? Actions have consequences and that unfortunately for this young man is what he learned albeit the hard way.

This Homosexual behavior is a cancer on our society. You wanna do it behind closed doors then thats your problem but myself and my kids etc shouldnt be forced to turn on the tube and there is Gay pride participants with their rear-ends exposed, same sex kissing etc. This behavior is an abomination, wrong and deadly. But do as you must…its your life or death.

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Eddie

I believe many of us would agree that people like you are the “cancer on society”. I don’t know how kissing is wrong, deadly or an abomination. However, it is mostly unfortunate for your children who could quite possibly have the same fate as this poor young man because of your narrow-minded views.

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Good and you should stay ITP.

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IF BEING GAY IS NOT A SIN? WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP IT IN THE CLOSET SAYS A BLOGGER ABOVE?

P.S.GOD MADE MAN AND WOMAN,NOT MAN AND MAN,OR WOMAN AND WOMAN!

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There are all kinds of biblical abominations what todays modern day Chrristians are perfectly okay with so why all the ahrping on being gay?

The only sex life you should worry about is yur own.

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I think my head is going to explode. The willful ignorance and hatred displayed by the gay-bashers in this blog is beyond the pale. I see a lot of choice here, and it is the choice to remain ignorant. Do a little research, get out of your bubble, and maybe you won’t feel so damned threatened.

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The homophobes on the blog can wring their hands and gnash their teeth all they want; won’t change a thing. This crime happened in NJ, not Hall county. The 2 that did the video will be spending a long time behind bars. They’re guilty of at least 4 class D felonies each w/ a max of 5 years in prison. Throw in the hate crime and you’re looking at 25 to life, each. They deserve it.

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Stoning? “gasp” That’s barbaric!! Actually a firing squad would be more humane.

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He killed himself because he was ashamed of his sexuality. If you’re ashamed of something you do that means you shouldn’t do it.

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abouttime: You are uneducated. You just proved, in more ways than one, you never set foot on a college campus. Pity.

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Gay lifestyle recruitment? hahaha that’s rich. and misinformed. looks like the kid was a music major. it’s been my experience that this vocation tends to overindex with gays and lesbians. so what?

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I think his family is due a refund from the NY Port Authority for half that damn toll on the GWB

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Well, it’s finally happened: earlier generations had to learn to RESPONSIBLY live with “them thar new fangled gadgets”. Earlier gens had to operate the horseless buggys responsibly, later gens had to learn to limit tv viewing, lest more important demands, such as homework, went unmet. These gens, and mine, had to learn to operate the machines of war so that we, and those who followed, could continue to enjoy a lifestyle of freedom and prosperity.

At each and every step of technological advance, there were prices to endure, both personal and socially, when that technology was not properly employed. Now we have reached that point where the immature, the untrained, and untested have full and complete access to technology which, unwisely employed, has the deadly potential of ruining lives.

It has always been my belief that computers, in the schools, should be treated as an AP topic. ONLY after academic, and psychologically developmental thresholds have been met should kids even look at a computer. Would a school system offer drivers ed to a “Forrest Gump”-type character? Out of concern for liability issues, I would imagine not. Yet we have generations upon generations who cannot even contemplate life without “them thar sillycone diodes”. We have witnessed, recently, ruined careers, and, quite possibly, ruined lives, because of the irresponsible use of the social medias Facebook, etc.

Now we, society, are obliged to pay the price of a short-sighted education fallacy of allowing kids, at the earliest ages, to begin a life completely dependent on technology. Forty years ago, this would have been tantamount to passing out the Camels along with the milk and cookies at rest time.

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Pat’s right. Clementi was a genetic and morally defective individual who was ashamed of his deviant behavior and took the honorable way out, sparing his family the embarrassment of a media circus.

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Anyone who uses the handle ITP (Inside the PoohHole) is a genetic and morally defective individual, if the rest of the sane readers out there didn’t already realize.

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[...] The story has struck a chord with people across the country — as the comments to my earlier blog on this tragedy demonstrate — but not everyone blames Ravi and his alleged partner, fellow student Molly [...]

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I am female. I would have been equally upset if my sexual escapade had been posted on the web……whether my partner was male or female. What is wrong with people today? Clementi expected that he was in the privacy of his room. I think that the two students should be charged with filming and distibuting pornography in addition to any other charges that they face.

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“…This is a prime example while the gay movement has never been taken seriously.”

Crispy, maybe in your small corner of rural GA you believe “the gay movement” has never been taken seriously but, the facts are clear evidence to the contrary. Ten percent of the states in this country have passed legislation to recognize same sex relationships. Leading prime time television programs consistently include homosexual characters. DADT has been heavily debated and will eventually be repealed. Within my own multi-national firm, domestic partners receive the same benefits as spouses and corporate policies include clear provisions that discrimination based on sexuality will not be tolerated. We have achieved many other accomplishments and the momentum is strong but, it doesn’t really matter if I list them all because your hands are placed firmly over your ears.

I must thank you though because it is people like you who provide us strength and motivation. If it takes my entire life, I will resume the quest for equality until children like Tyler have hope for the future.

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Within my own multi-national firm, domestic partners receive the same benefits as spouses and corporate policies include clear provisions that discrimination based on sexuality will not be tolerated. We have achieved many other accomplishments and the momentum is strong but, it doesn’t really matter if I list them all because your hands are placed firmly over your ears …

… Dream on, dream until your dreams come true

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… feels grandiose and self-important, obsessed with fantasies, requires excessive admiration, feels entitled, uses others to achieve his or her own ends (as in Mr. Clementi’s suicide), devoid of empathy, constantly envious of others, suffers from persecutory (paranoid) delusions (the reason for his constant rebuttals via this blog), behaves arrogantly and haughtily (see all above posts), feels superior (definitely), invincible (yep), and omnipresent (magical thinking – fantasies), rages when frustrated, contradicted, or confronted.

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You know, some of you people really piss me off. You express a holier than thou attitude while preaching upon the holy grail of religion. It has been my observation, over 50-odd years of adult life, that those who would pontificate their version of the “religous right” have, within their “closet of skeletons” a history of much deviation from the ideals they tout. Those who would preach the hell fire and brimestone of damnation have histories of becoming lost in the bottle, multiple wives, broken/fractured family relationships, etc. Does this not belch of familiarity of the Cobb County Board of Kings, heralded by the former Speaker, who sing the mantra of family values while, within their proud closets exists multiple wives, and who’n the hell knows what else?

For cryin out loud, you GD people…stop foisting your guilt-induced beliefs on us rotten sinners who, unlike you, have failed to wrap ourselves in the cloak of rightousness.

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Good points, Patty, but I’m not sure they address the issue. Kids/young adults are been doing the “evil deed” on campuses everywhere (even some of those “Yea God” schools) employing parked cars, empty offices/classrooms…even a football field (with flood lights extinguished) a time or two. HEin n’ SHEin is a fact of life; if this occurs in a dorm room or two, it won’t interfere with the purpose for which the kid matriculates any more than conducting night maneuvers elsewhere.

The point, I believe, is that, in the mistaken belief that “it had to be a good idea”, technology has been introduced, within the education arena, with no safeguard, at far too early an age/maturity level. Just as with flying, the student is allowed only the very basic of basics in terms of equipment he/she is allowed to operate. ONLY after demonstrating a degree of “operational maturity” can the student go on to more sophisticated applications (We may recall the tragic events which unfolded off the Massachusets coast when John Kennedy Jr, the late President’s son, found himself “over his head and beyond his capabilities” while operating sophisticated equipment within a challenging environment).

The very same concept applies with the introduction of technology in the hands of those who have not demonstrated a mastery of basic discipline. Just as anyone with a Private Pilot License can purchase the most sophisticated aircraft (and invite disaster at the same time), anyone can also avail themselves of technology which, employed with undisciplined abandon, can only invite disaster as well.

Where are the answers? I wish I knew. Perhaps it’s all part of the “Social Darwinian” plan…those who stumble into dark corners for which they are neither prepared nor belong in the first place are, ultimately, doomed to failure. Unfortunately, others often become entangled in the webs of others’ indifference and stupidity.

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