Smoking is cool again among high school students.

News that the United States has failed to achieve its goal of reducing high school smoking surprises me as there was such confidence a few years ago that we could convince kids of the dangers of tobacco through education efforts.

It’s serious business as a third of smokers who begin in high school will die of a tobacco-related causes. I am dismayed to see teenage girls turn to smoking for weight control.

According to The New York Times:

“People are getting the image that it’s cool to use nicotine as a drug,” Terry F. Pechacek of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said in an interview. “We need to bring back our voice, our anti-smoking mass media campaign.”

The popularity of hookah bars and smokeless nicotine products, Mr. Pechacek said, are the modern equivalent of the banned Joe Camel cartoon in their appeal to youths. And some experts worry that the new health campaign against obesity — spearheaded by Michelle Obama from the White House — may be hampering donations to antitobacco campaigns as public health issues shift in emphasis and compete for funds.

Over all, the antismoking countermessage has been lost,” Mr. Pechacek said as the C.D.C. released its biannual survey of more than 10,000 high school students, showing 19.5 percent of them are smokers.

High school smoking rates dipped significantly to 21.9 percent in 2003, from 34.8 percent in 1995, then progress stalled, he said.

One-third of high school smokers are expected to die prematurely of tobacco-related disease, said Mr. Pechacek, the associate director for science in the agency’s Office on Smoking and Health. With about four million students graduating from high school each year, the difference between the current rate and the “Healthy People 2010” goal set by the government 10 years ago amounts to an additional 140,000 student smokers and 46,000 premature deaths for each high school class nationally.

For those of you who work with teens or whose own teens smoke, any ideas on how to combat this? I always think it is sad to visit high schools and see groups of teens huddled after school a block or two from the school lighting up, as if they were waiting all day for that puff.

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check check

July 11th, 2010
8:09 am

It was a surprise? Really?

We got kids taking entire boxes of Cough&Cold medicine (kids refer to them as “Skittles”), really like 16 to 20 pills at a time and you thought they would worry about smoking.

We have groups of students that think they are “hardcore” and will say or do anything to get the right “street credit”; they buck up to teachers, smoke weed/tobacco in the restrooms, use METH for weight control.

Smoking tobacco is one of the least of many concerns; but that goes to show if people have not been in the classroom (I talking about politicans, etc…) they don’t have a clue to what is happening with students today. A lot like to preach from their Ivory towers and squeaky clean neighborhoods without ever knowing that some teachers are trying to do to save lives.

Ole Guy

July 11th, 2010
8:29 am

The Coach formed a “cigarete club”…ball players found to be smoking were sumarily made to stand in front of the team, bucket placed, upsidedown, over the hapless victims head, while the Coach obligingly handed him one lit cig after another, barking all-the-while “Puff, dammit”!

Somehow, I suspect that we’ll never see a return to such “antiquated” means of influencing kids. I suppose it’s preferable to spend limited monies “educating” them.


July 11th, 2010
8:54 am

It is shocking that kids still start these days. Many teens that start smoking become adults who can’t quit smoking. My mom smoked for 50 years and used to start every day with a fit of coughing. Someone told me about electronic cigarettes, so I ordered her one. She loves it. It’s different from tobacco as there’s no tar, no carbon monoxide and doesn’t have all the yucky stuff in it like cigs do. She’s been able to get away from tobacco and is now breathing much better. If you want to check it out, go to: . They have more info on it. Highly recommended!

Hank Williams Jr.

July 11th, 2010
9:25 am



July 11th, 2010
9:28 am

Yesh, but where would capitalism be were it not for stupid people?

Hey Teacher

July 11th, 2010
9:31 am

I’m not sure that the numbers have changed that significantly, but the CDC and other organizations may be funding more studies on smoking and other health related issues which make it seem so.

As a veteran high school teacher, I’ve always had students who smoked; I’ve taught in rural, suburban, and private high schools. Teenagers are drawn to all things taboo — and frankly I see MORE students smoking now that we have become so anti-smoking. Back when there were student smoking sections (next to the gym in my first teaching assignment), it wasn’t as cool to smoke because the administration let you do it. The same principal might apply to the drinking age.

On a personal note, at least half of my high school and college friends smoked socially — most quit before they were out of their 20’s and started families. I wonder how may of these teenage social smokers actually moves on to become a long-term smoker?


July 11th, 2010
9:44 am

Chipper Rodgers was asked why he did not want to raise taxes on Smokes. He cited an article that says that teens will switch to pot if the cost is too high. Maybe all that tobacco money he receives makes him push nicotine over a non addictive, non lethal and medical valued plant.


July 11th, 2010
9:49 am

I guess John Trotter and MACE had it all right again about Atlanta’s so-called “independent” iquiry. When is the AJC going to give Trotter and MACE credit for being right about the cheating, cover-up, bullying, corruption, lack of discipline, money, etc., not only in the Atlanta and DeKalb school systems but in the other large systems too? Is Trotter the AJC’s “blue tick hound” which “trees” the corruption for the AJC staff? He’s been saying “follow the money”!


July 11th, 2010
10:51 am

Yeah, Phil, it is surprising that there is room “in bed” with so many people for the APS. Love that independent, blue ribbon panel! That APS personnel would even be in the room when people are being questioned is an egregious, totally compromising fault. Any findings are now without confidence.

It’s high time that the state step in and disband this panel, do its own investigation, and charge the APS for the cost of its investigation (since APS cannot be trusted to do it). Run up a nice, big bill to investigate it, and take that amount out of APS’ QBE funding. Maybe that would get folks (parents, taxpayers, other businesses) involved to remove the board and clean house.

And where is SACS? We apparently have rampant malfeasance. Is SACS in that bed, too?

Ole Guy

July 11th, 2010
10:57 am

Hank, yer a pistol! Incidentially, what’s a corch?


July 11th, 2010
11:23 am


2010 GA HS Graduate

July 11th, 2010
11:23 am

I for one have no idea how to reign it in. My health teacher told us about how she found out about the non-smoke emitting pen-like product. Apparently she noticed a student sucking on a pen a lot and mentioned it to the next class. Then another student told her what it really was. With products like this on the market (which are probably specifically marketed for teenagers), it makes the job of identifying who is doing what very difficult.

As a student, I have witnessed the kid leaving school with minimum day, cigarette hanging out the window before he has even left the parking lot. After AP exams, I have heard kids from the AP Language exams asking another friend if they have a light. To me, it is horrible. I have the added incentive not to do drugs or smoke from the very fact that that is what ruined my uncles life and is the very reason I have never met him. However, I know why kids hang out behind the band building or the band tower on the practice field. Every student does. We see the facebook pictures of students that have obviously been smoking something stronger than a cigarette. For those of us that are well behaved, it is another painful reminder of the other side. Especially when it is so obvious that the student is addicted.

If a student needs to light up prior to leaving campus an hour earlier than the previous year, then we have a problem. Why, my health teacher remembered a student that came to take an 8:25 am final with a water bottle of vodka. On top of that, he was obviously already drunk upon arriving to class. We need to combat these problems in some way, because it seems the normal education methods are not working. The problem is, we all know what it is like when we have decided to do something. When one makes a decision like this, we can only assume they have a stubborn personality and cannot be swayed easily. Maybe they need to meet my uncle, who lives in his car somewhere between Los Angeles and Las Vegas… and calls my grandma, threatening her as he tries to get money for his habit. Maybe something like that will help.


July 11th, 2010
11:26 am

C’mon folks. It’s not the Hookah bars and Joe Camel that are responsible for kids smoking. It’s our society. All the badasses you know smoke. It’s true. The guys in bands, the guys that ride motorcycles, the guys that start bar fights, the guys in war movies… It’s still freakin’ cool to smoke, and it has nothing to do with whether or not it’s healthy. People have been smoking for much longer than they have been looking at billboards. The big companies just try to appeal to the worst in people–the actual influences are the people we see everyday and the people we secretly want to be.

I am a smoker.
That said, I didn’t start smoking until I moved out from my parents house because of the threat my father gave me: Catch me smoking OR smelling like smoke, and I would have to EAT the entire pack. Dead serious. Maybe people should realize that education is the thing teenagers are LEAST responsive to. Seriously. I remember laughing all the way through DARE. You don’t think its obvious that inhaling smoke is bad? Evolutionarily, our bodies know it’s wrong. Education on stuff like this doesn’t help. Gotta enforce things with teenagers. They obviously don’t know how to make good decisions based on the info provided. When they are older, THEN they can choose and not require justification in either direction–because that’s what American adults get to do.


July 11th, 2010
11:27 am

As the quoted article points out, the new need to compete for money by all the different anti- groups must be a terrible reality shock for them. But the biggest donor of all for protecting the children, Johnson & Johnson through its Foundation, now appears to need a little of its money for cleaning up its own back yard.


July 11th, 2010
11:40 am

I DON’t BELIEVE A WORD WRITTEN IN THE NEW YORK TIMES…..ditto for the Atlanta Urnal Constipation…There is no way…no way the NYT to know about smoking habits of teens..NONE ZERO…NADA….

Get Real

July 11th, 2010
11:41 am

You could even say that this is proving that anti-smoking tactics have failed. By raising the price of cigarettes, they’ve now become a status symbol. “Must have $$$ if you can afford to smoke.” Nice work do-gooder nanny state health nuts.


July 11th, 2010
11:53 am

Smoking was never cool to start with. The people who smoke just think it’s cool to do it. Anti-smoking ideas have been around for several decades and the only reason they haven’t worked is that the smokers don’t think it will affect them. All that raising prices will do is cause them to gripe about it, but they will still buy them. It’s an item that they mistake a want to be a need.

As a guy on the radio said awhile back, “God forgot to make stupidity painful.”


July 11th, 2010
11:57 am

Without stupid people we wouldn’t have the lottery nor the HOPE scholarship. Besides who quotes the New York Times. Maybe the worst paper in the country. It is not a “News”paper.

Veteran teacher, 2

July 11th, 2010
12:04 pm

Actually, the smoking is waning a bit, and the kids coming up are more into sex again. These things tend to go in three year cycles.

What is amazing are the parents who think that only “those kids” are doing the latest fad. Imagine their shock when there kids get caught doing the same thing!!

Blackberry Curve

July 11th, 2010
12:05 pm

Favorite Blogger, We have your number. Have fun…with caution. You like to attack others, but you have a glass cyber chin, remember? Blogging is very reciprocal. Your friend, Blackberry Curve

Ros Dalton

July 11th, 2010
12:22 pm

@mark Don’t be a fool. Anything you smoke increases your risk of lung cancer and a host of other health problems. Pot also impairs your ability to drive and causes fatal car accidents on a regular basis. If you’re going to smoke nicotine, pot, crack, or anything else, just acknowledge that you’re risking your future for a momentary current pleasure rather than reaching absurdly to justify your habit on philosophical or political grounds.

There will always be a percentage of kids who take these risks. We can probably reduce it slightly with large scale, expensive advertising efforts, but only hard, consistent work from parents can eliminate it.

Maureen Downey

July 11th, 2010
12:24 pm

@Courtney, I have to disagree. The New York Times is the most well reported newspaper in the country. There are very few newspapers that have reporters worldwide. The Times is one of them. I am grateful for the commitment of Times to international news.


July 11th, 2010
12:42 pm

Smokey is bad. That’s why kids love him.

Butts Wagner

July 11th, 2010
12:59 pm

The goal of the anti-smoking nannies is not to make people healthier, is to punish those who do not conform to their agenda. If the goal was to make people healthier, healthier alternatives to cigarettes would be marketed by the CDC, etc. Most significantly, e-cigarettes would have no major obstacles in the US. The FDA basically treats them as if they were as dangerous as regular cigarettes, which is untrue. And it’s illegal to sell e-cigarettes to minors. Based on this evidence, it’s obvious that the anti-smoking nannies don’t care about health, they only care about whether people get high off nicotine.

HS Teacher

July 11th, 2010
1:02 pm

While I am saddened that teenage smoking is rising, I wonder why this is on an education blog?

Maureen recently chastised me about sticking to education as the topic for this blog. She said that I was making it a ‘teacher’ blog and not about education.

Now, she has this health issue on this so-called ‘education’ blog.

Smoking, health, food choices, drug mis-use etc. is a parent issue. These are values/choices/etc. PARENTS should instill in their children. This has nothing to do with public education or even private education except to teach CONTENT such as the science of it all.

MAUREEN – Please clarify: is this an education blog or not? Or, do you as the moderator have the power to make a decision on a whim and change your mind as you feel that you can or cannot defend your position?


July 11th, 2010
1:07 pm

I can’t understand why the AJC will run an inflammatory story like the one about APS and not give readers the opportunity to comment…Every major newspaper in the country gives readers this option. It’s frustrating to see that readers have to resort to posting comments about one story on the page of a totally unrelated story.

Maureen Downey

July 11th, 2010
1:11 pm

@Blue Moon, I am on vacation but have posted on the latest AJC story because I think it is worth ignoring my screaming children who are waiting to go swimming and are gathered around me this minute threatening to unplug my computer.
The APS post should be up, but I am now going to go jump in a lake.

Maureen Downey

July 11th, 2010
1:13 pm

@High School, As I have said many times before, I define education broadly and certainly think health education and antismoking efforts, many of which are based on school health classes, are relevant. This is consistent with my mission to present a blog that has lots of topics, is reflective of the news and interests parents as well as education professionals.
So far, it is working based on the fast-growing readership, which we measure carefully here at the AJC. If my approach stops working, I will change it.


July 11th, 2010
1:55 pm

There is a clear need to rave up the dangers of smoking campaign. What is happening is exactly what BIG TOBACCO wants to have happening. If as many kids as possible could get hooked on nicotine that would secure teh future of the tobacco industry. It’s got to be a figt and its not going to be stroll in the pack. Parents, teachers and communities have now to come together to enforce anti teenage tobacco use laws and regulations starting with the local corner store that illegally gives underage kds access to cigarettes. There are many things communities working together with schools and parents can achieve to nip this in the bud.


July 11th, 2010
1:59 pm

Thanks Maureen!


July 11th, 2010
2:17 pm

Smoking education is almost ridiculous as in terms of combating smoking. More teenagers in todays highschools will laugh at the D.A.R.E campaigns rather than listen to them, because no one thinks it will happen to them. The way to combat smoking is for more adults to stop themselves. The majority of teenagers that do smoke catch on so because of either their parents smoking or other people they are mainly around. Every bad habit starts with a bit of curiosity, and unless you stop whats causing this curiosity, then smoking will remain a plague in our society as it has been for so long.

Puddin Tain

July 11th, 2010
2:40 pm

“there was such confidence a few years ago that we could convince kids of the dangers of tobacco through education efforts.”

I can assure you that anti-tobacco lessons are being taught in the schools. This is not a school problem. This is a parent problem.


July 11th, 2010
2:46 pm

I’m a good examply of why NOT to smoke…I have been smoking since I was 15 y.o. (I’m about to turn 61 now), and last year I was diagnosed with bladder cancer. The main cause? SMOKING. I also had a single bypass heart surgery 2 1/2 months ago because of a blocked artery. The main cause? SMOKING. Kids, and adults…heed my warning…SMOKING WILL KILL YOU.


July 11th, 2010
2:47 pm

Oops…”examply” = example. LOL


July 11th, 2010
2:51 pm

When did smoking ever stop being cool?


July 11th, 2010
3:58 pm

I do not believe you. No intelligent person would put their friends on a panel to investigate themselves unless they were trying to justify $12 million from Bill Gates for teacher effectiveness. Somehow they will find a way to tie us to kids smoking too.

Child of the 60s

July 11th, 2010
4:14 pm

Exactly right mom123! Teenagers smoke because it looks so cool. I began smoking when I was 17 as did many of my friends. We thought it made us look more grown up and just plain old badass cool. Many years later I’m very happy to say I am no longer a smoker, but it was extremely difficult to break the habit. Every time I see some kid smoking I want to go over to them and try to convince them that smoking is a terrible self-destructive habit. If I have just one piece of health advice for teenagers it’s this–for goodness sakes DON’T START SMOKING! The cool factor is short lived. The bad smell, cost, and health risks are forever.

Hank Williams Jr.

July 11th, 2010
5:07 pm

“I used lifesavers to help me get off cigarettes, but you know for your love I aint found no lifesavers yet”

True purpose

July 11th, 2010
5:14 pm

What is the true purpose of this blog? It used to be the blog moderator said it was to write with “a single minded focus on what’s best for Georgia students”.

Now are we saying it’s to appeal to the lowest common denominator to increase the number of page hits?

Hank Williams Jr.

July 11th, 2010
6:10 pm

sing along, true purpose………… ok , just try to hummmmmmmmmm..

It’s from ” Old Habits”, one of my greatest albums.



July 11th, 2010
10:46 pm

To understand why people smoke you must understand the psychology of the smoker and no one understood this better than the worst nicotine addict on the planet, the late Allen Carr (R.I.P.) His book the Easyway to Stop Smoking is the solution to the smoking problem. It should be taught in schools.

Bob Smoker

July 12th, 2010
12:08 am

A third will die from tobacco related causes??? I wonder where that stat came from. Get this straight. All of the non-smokers will die!


July 12th, 2010
6:23 am

The new Tobacco Prohibition

I would like to take the time to tell the entire community about a falsehood so big that everyone who believes in freedom should be appauled.
This falsehood is so big it resonates from historical fact forward to this day. This falsehood is so big billions of dollars have been spent to make it believable to those of us who dont take the time to look up the facts.
We all remember reading about alcohol prohibition,but did you know there was also tobacco prohibition going on before alcohol became such a target of the last nanny staters.
Our great grandparents lived thru prohibition and the great depression,they also lived thru tobacco prohibition.

Heres a time line starting in 1900,dont be surprised to see the same thing playing out today nearly 100 years later.

1901: REGULATION: Strong anti-cigarette activity in 43 of the 45 states. “Only Wyoming and Louisiana had paid no attention to the cigarette controversy, while the other forty-three states either already had anti-cigarette laws on the books or were considering new or tougher anti-cigarette laws, or were the scenes of heavy anti- cigarette activity” (Dillow, 1981:10).

1904: New York: A judge sends a woman is sent to jail for 30 days for smoking in front of her children.

1904: New York City. A woman is arrested for smoking a cigarette in an automobile. “You can’t do that on Fifth Avenue,” the arresting officer says.

1907: Business owners are refusing to hire smokers. On August 8, the New York Times writes: “Business … is doing what all the anti-cigarette specialists could not do.”

1917: SMOKEFREE: Tobacco control laws have fallen, including smoking bans in numerous cities, and the states of Arkansas, Iowa, Idaho and Tennessee.

1937: hitler institutes laws against smoking.This one you can google.

Now onto the falsehood……

We have been told for years by smoke free advocates that second hand smoke is the cause of everything from johnnys ear ache to cousin ED’S lung cancer. But wheres the proof!!!

Remember they claim 50,000 deaths a year yet,there are no bodys not even mass graves of the dead to second hand smoke.We await the names of these victims.

A simple stroll down historys road say 10 years or so and we start to get at the truth……

A federal Judge by the name of osteen got a case dropped in his lap in North Carolina,the case was that of EPA’S study on second hand smoke/environmental tobacco smoke.The judge an anti-tobbaco judge by reputation spent 4 years going thru the study and interviewing scientists at EPA and came to the conclusion :


”EPA’s 1992 conclusions are not supported by reliable scientific evidence. The report has been largely discredited and, in 1998, was legally vacated by a federal judge.Before its 1992 report, EPA had always used epidemiology’s gold standard CI of 95 percent to measure statistical significance. But because the U.S. studies chosen[cherry picked] for the report were not statistically significant within a 95 percent CI, for the first time in its history EPA changed the rules and used a 90 percent CI, which doubled the chance of being wrong.

This allowed it to report a statistically significant 19 percent increase [a 1.19rr] of lung cancer cases in the nonsmoking spouses of smokers over those cases found in nonsmoking spouses of nonsmokers. Even though the RR was only 1.19–an amount far short of what is normally required to demonstrate correlation or causality–the agency concluded this was proof SHS increased the risk of U.S. nonsmokers developing lung cancer by 19 percent.”

The EPA fought to have Osteen’s decision overturned on technical grounds, ignoring the multitude of facts in the decision. They succeeded in 2002 on the narrowest of technicalities. The fourth circuit court of appeals ruled that because the report was not an official policy document Osteen’s court did not have jurisdiction. In their appeal the EPA did not answer a single criticism in the 92 page report, nor challenge a single fact put forth by Judge Osteen. Not one.

Although the anti-smoker movement was already established, this report was used, and continues to be used, to bolster their claim that SHS is a killer. #

So here we find that second hand smoke was made a political scapegoat by EPA.Lets not forget how EPA has reworked the global warming studys just this last summer. Where its top scientists paper was rebuked because it didnt carry the EPA’S stand that global warming was real.

The political shenanigans surrounding SHS/ETS go deep not only with the government and its health agencies but also to the big pharmaceutical companies and non-profit orginizations aka ACS,ALA,AHA and a meriad of others. All lobbying for smoking bans and their weapon of choise Propaganda paid for by big pharma and tax dollars. Studys made to order that second hand smoke is deadly. Take a memory note here too,over 250 studys on shs/ets have found it safe.

Yet a simple look at the chemistry shows us that its:

About 90% of secondary smoke is composed of water vapor and ordinary air with a minor amount of carbon dioxide. The volume of water vapor of second hand smoke becomes even larger as it qickly disperses into the air,depending upon the humidity factors within a set location indoors or outdoors. Exhaled smoke from a smoker will provide 20% more water vapor to the smoke as it exists the smokers mouth.

4 % is carbon monoxide.

6 % is those supposed 4,000 chemicals to be found in tobacco smoke. Unfortunatley for the smoke free advocates these supposed chemicals are more theorized than actually found.What is found is so small to even call them threats to humans is beyond belief.Nanograms,picograms and femptograms……
(1989 Report of the Surgeon General p. 80).

Now, how odd that when we search the smoke free activists sites not one of them mentions that water vapor and air are the main components of second hand smoke. Is this just a fluke or an outright omission to further their political healthscare against the general public.

The last informative tid bit I have for you is what does OSHA have to say about all this secondhand smoke stuff.

Here is where it gets interesting,it seems John Banzhaf, founder and president of Action on Smoking and Health (ASH) decided to sue OSHA to make a rule on shs/ets not that OSHA didnt want to play ball with him,its just that the scientific facts didnt back up a rule to start with.

Now for a rule to happen Osha has to send out for comments for a period of time and boy did the comments fly in, over 40,000 of them….Osha has whats called PEL’S and limits for an 8 hour period of exposure to chemicals in indoor environments…[epa is in charge of outdoor air]some smoke free groups have tried to use 30 minute air samples using epa monitoring to create a air borne healthscare.

The actual standard to use is OSHA’S

The EPA standard is to be used for OUTSIDE ambient air quality and it is the average over a period of 3 years.

The proper standard to compare to is the OSHA standard for indoor air quality for respirable particulate (not otherwise specified) for nuisance dusts and smoke. That standard is 5000 ug/m3 on a time-weighted average (8 hours a day, 5 days a week) and is intended to be protective of health over an average working life of 30 years!

This is where second hand smoke really becomes a joke,remember its nearly 90% water vapor and air… lets get to the facts of toxicology and dose makes the poison:

According to independent Public and Health Policy Research group, Littlewood & Fennel of Austin, Tx, on the subject of secondhand smoke……..

They did the figures for what it takes to meet all of OSHA’S minimum PEL’S on shs/ets…….Did it ever set the debate on fire.

They concluded that:

All this is in a small sealed room 9×20 and must occur in ONE HOUR.

For Benzo[a]pyrene, 222,000 cigarettes

“For Acetone, 118,000 cigarettes

“Toluene would require 50,000 packs of simultaneously smoldering cigarettes.

Acetaldehyde or Hydrazine, more than 14,000 smokers would need to light up.

“For Hydroquinone, “only” 1250 cigarettes

For arsenic 2 million 500,000 smokers at one time

The same number of cigarettes required for the other so called chemicals in shs/ets will have the same outcomes.

So,OSHA finally makes a statement on shs/ets :

Field studies of environmental tobacco smoke indicate that under normal conditions, the components in tobacco smoke are diluted below existing Permissible Exposure Levels (PELS.) as referenced in the Air Contaminant Standard (29 CFR 1910.1000)…It would be very rare to find a workplace with so much smoking that any individual PEL would be exceeded.” -Letter From Greg Watchman, Acting Sec’y, OSHA, To Leroy J Pletten, PHD, July 8, 1997


By the way ASH dropped their lawsuit because OSHA was going to make a rule and that rule would have been weak and been the law of the land,meaning no smoking bans would ever have been enacted anywhere,simply because an open window or a ventilation system would have covered the rule.

Let me also tell you that the relative risk for shs/ets by the SG report of 2006 was a 1.19 ”EPA study is whats used to call it a carcinogen”……milks is a 2.43 and that glass of chlorinated water your about to drink is a 1.25 yet these things aren’t determined to be a carcinogen….The gold standard in epidemiology is a 3.0….Now had the SURGEON GENERAL included 2 other shs/ets studys the relative risk for disease from shs/ets would have been nearer a.60-.70 meaning it would have a protective effect against ever getting disease.

But,what each of us has is years and years of exposure and the knowledge that our kids all grew up around shs and generations of others,yet we are here alive not dead from a lousy 30 minute exposure to shs as stanton glantz tries to claim…..thats another story and its just as crazy as all the rest of smokefree’s claim about shs/ets.

Oh! have you heard the one about ”laugh” thirdhand smoke or third hand drinking.
Like I said their claims border beyond that of any reasonable persons commomsence.

The next time you see a healthscare claim
consider the source.Especially if it comes from a government or non profit agency!


July 12th, 2010
6:54 am

Regulatory Toxicology and Pharmacology, Vol. 14, No. 1. (August 1991), pp. 88-105.

Environmental tobacco smoke (ETS) is derived from cigarette smoldering and active smoker exhalation. Its composition displays broad quantitative differences and redistributions between gas and respirable suspended particulate (RSP) phases when compared with the mainstream smoke (MSS) that smokers puff. This is because of different generation conditions and because ETS is diluted and ages vastly more than MSS. Such differences prevent a direct comparison of MSS and ETS and their biologic activities. However, even assuming similarities on an equal mass basis, ETS-RSP inhaled doses are estimated to be between 10,000- and 100,000-fold less than estimated average MSS-RSP doses for active smokers. Differences in effective gas phase doses are expected to be of similar magnitude. Thus the average person exposed to ETS would retain an annual dose analogous to the active MSS smoking of considerably less than one cigarette dispersed over a 1-year period. By contrast, consistent epidemiologic data indicate that active smoking of some 4–5 cigarettes per day may not be associated with a significantly increased risk of lung cancer. Similar indications also obtain for cardiovascular and respiratory diseases. Since average doses of ETS to nonsmoking subjects in epidemiologic studies are several thousand times less than this reported intake level, the marginal relative risks of lung cancer and other diseases attributed to ETS in some epidemiologic studies are likely to be statistical artifacts, derived from unaccounted confounders and unavoidable bias

Ole Guy

July 12th, 2010
8:22 am

What’s next…education programs stressing the importance of chewing one’s food, and the importance of daily constitutionals? Last time I heard, the education dollar was indeed finite. Do we employ that dollar to teach em in the latest potty training techniques, or maybe how to do rithmetic.


July 12th, 2010
10:17 am

As Maureen pointed out a couple of days ago, some teenagers are probably going to drink, and schools can’t stop them.

Some teenagers are probably going to smoke, have sex, and use legal and illicit drugs as well, and schools probably aren’t going to stop that either.

For some kids, we’re doing well just to teach them to read and do math. What else do you want?

David S

July 12th, 2010
12:40 pm

Smoking is cool in prison too. To most kids, government schools are prisons, and there is plenty of evidence of their significant similarities. The violence, the regimentation, the sexual abuse, the drugs, the gangs, the zero tollerance…More similar that folks are willing to acknowledge.


July 12th, 2010
1:14 pm

Smoking is NOT cool, unless you considering dying prematurely being cool. I watched a neighbor die of emphysema, and it wasn’t pleasant…gasping for each breath, coughing constantly, being on oxygen 24/7. It’s like drowning…very, very slowly. It’s not an “easy” death. That, and being diagnosed with cancer and having heart surgery was enough to make ME quit. I want to be around to watch my soon-to-be 7 y.o. granddaughter grow up and give me great-grandkids! It’s all a matter of what is most important to you…life…or death.

Middle Grades Math Teacher

July 12th, 2010
4:22 pm

@HaleyRider: Whatever the harm in being around 2nd hand smoke, it’s just plain NASTY! Smelly people (clothes, hair breath!) Can’t tell you how many times I’ve spent time around smokers, and I come away smelling NASTY. Don’t want to be around it. No one smokes in my home or my car, and the smokers in my family (minority) have no problem with that. Ironically, a family member who smokes won’t smoke in her home (goes outside) because she knows how nasty it smells.