2:21 pm June 23, 2010, by Maureen Downey
The state has released system-wide CRCT scores. The AJC has them for you online.
DOE says individual school results will be released by July 8.
June 23rd, 20105:27 pm
Do these scores include the retest score information?
June 23rd, 20105:38 pm
I just looked at the four major counties CRCT scores. It is beyond interesting looking at the scores. It would be a good question to ask certain counties exactly what is their curriculum.
Cobb County has great scores in Reading and ELA and very good Math scores. If these are actual scores of their students academic abilities why would you lay off so called good teachers? It seems to me that there could not have been very many bad teachers, if any at all.
Gwinnett and Cobb Counties have almost perfect scores in Reading and ELA. What does this mean? Are these counties under close scrutiny?
June 23rd, 20105:45 pm
@Me, The scores do not include retests, according to Matt Cardoza of DOE.
June 23rd, 20106:07 pm
Careful, everyone. They’re not scores. They’re a mixup of fail rate (% fail), pass rate (% pass), and performance levels (% fail, % meet, % exceed). Scores would be the scale scores and the raw scores.
June 23rd, 20107:21 pm
@ Ed Johnson,
Well, thanks for that analysis. I will be very sure to make that point when I go back to work to may parents or other parents that ask about their child’s scores.
I am a DCSS (Dekalb) employee (teacher) and you are making a statement of firing white teachers, please explain what white teachers have been fired in DCSS. There are no teacher that have been fired unless, they have committed some type of true crime against a student (and that is not reserved for just whites, it happens to all races). Otherwise, there have been no teacher let go based upon the economy. Please clarify your statement.
June 23rd, 20107:35 pm
I wonder if the results indicate what many have said: that the tests were easier this year, either in wording or in cut scores or both?
Just the Facts
June 23rd, 20107:51 pm
@Angela…Don’t forget. These CRCT scores are so-o-o-o deceptive. From years of experience, let me remind you [as it has been posted here many times ] ….The cut off scores for Pass/Fail , Meets/Exceeds are so low that a 7th grader can pass the CRCT if he/she can read on a 3rd grade level.
WARNING to parents: Do not use these scores for evaluation of how your child is progressing or achieving. The information is useless for those purposes.
June 23rd, 20107:52 pm
Caught in that nasty filter…..again!!!!!
Proud Black Man
June 23rd, 201010:04 pm
When are is the white right going to realize how their bigotry and stereotyping ways reflect upon them as moral failures?.
June 23rd, 201010:05 pm
The CRCT is a joke. It is a basic skills test. To pass you need to get between 45%-55% correct, to get exceeds you need to get approximately 80% on a multiple choice test of very basic level knowledge. If a child doesn’t get exceeds they didn’t get the content of the grade level. The scale scores used, as apposed to raw %, is in theory supposed to weight difficulty of test questions. In reality, scale scores are used to help manipulate achieve gap of various subgroups to give the impression of closing the achievement gap. This test is designed for NCLB, AYP, and for Politicians to say what a great job their doing. Wait till next year with a new state superintendent, all scores will go way, way down, and miracalously the scores will continually improve year over year. Because of the great job all of us adults are doing. (Maybe the test should be designed to help identify and help students improve, bad results or not, achievement gap or not) I don’t mind testing just how the results are manipulated and how the results are used.
Free Market Educator
June 24th, 20101:10 am
Rahm does school funding…Chicago style. With his successful track record, perhaps he should consider running for mayor.
Real Time Teacher
June 24th, 20106:51 am
Dewey, where do you get your facts about Meets and Exceeds levels?
In my class’s data, students who scored in the low 80s in reading received a Meets Standards.
Each set of subject level tests had slight variations on this, but most definitely 45-55% is Level 1; Does Not Meet Standards.
June 24th, 20108:34 am
Maureen – No doubt the DeKalb board will try to spin their abysmal scores with the argument that they have more “difficult to educate” students. I would like to see the district level reports broken down into subgroups such as ELL, those receiving free and reduced lunch and special ed so we can see which districts are getting results with those populations.
June 24th, 20108:39 am
Maureen, one request: Previous years in the AJC site give failure rates, but this year gives passing rates. Could the database people standardize them across each listing (2010, 2009, and 2008). It would make comparisons just a little bit easier.
If you want to compare year to year, the AJC is still hosting the 2009 and 2008 scores. Just do a search for 2009 CRCT on the ajc site and it’ll take you to last years scores, and the 2008 scores are linked to that page.
I notice that in each year (on a district level) the 7th grade math results are better than both 6th and 8th by a substantial difference. Any thoughts on why the students do relatively poorly on 6th and 8th grade math, but have this jump in pass rates for 7th?
June 24th, 20109:32 am
@Real Time, on the 8th grade 2009 Math CRCT, students who answered 31 out of 60 questions correctly received a score of 800 (which is the passing score), for SS it was 32 out of 60. When Goergia used the QCC’s students had to get 23 out of 60 correct to receive a passing score. Please check your paperwork and your calculations. The CRCT was created to meet the minimum requirements for NCLB, please do not believe the hype!
Open Records Request???
June 24th, 20109:48 am
Maureen – is there any way the AJC can get copies of all the tests for each subject and grade level, as well as the cut scores? I used to be able to find the current cut scores on the DOE website, but wasn’t able to this year. We keep hearing rumors of the test being easy – or at least EASIER – this year, but since teachers aren’t technically allowed to look at the tests (although every subject and grade level has kids that have the test read to them due to their IEPs), who can say? Anecdotal – courtesy of my students – the 8th grade science test wasn’t anything like the practice tests on OAS – the site supplied by the state for CRCT practice. I know for a fact there was at least one question on the OAS that had to do with the old Earth Science QCCs, and not the new Physical Science Standards.
June 24th, 20109:55 am
Please post a link to ITBS scores by system.
Can you find out?
June 24th, 201010:00 am
Can you find out when the DOE will release the 2010 AYP reports? If the CRCT scores are back, what is the DOE waiting for? Thanks
June 24th, 201010:04 am
@ Realtime teacher, you can’t actually be a teacher if you believe your statement. Probably a parent who wants to believe exceeds standards on the CRCT is something of great merit.
June 24th, 201011:26 am
@Schooled, The state doesn’t publish ITBS data as the test is not mandated. Nor is it administered –by those systems that opt to do so — at the same time so it cannot be used for system-by-systems comparison. According to the DOE site, systems may use the ITBS but do not have to give it:
Georgia law (O.C.G.A., Section 20-2-281) mandates that each local school system may elect to administer, with state funding, nationally norm-referenced instruments in reading, mathematics, science, or social studies in grade three, four, or five and in grade six, seven, or eight, subject to available appropriations, with assistance to such school systems by the State Board of Education with regard to administration guidance, scoring, and reporting of such assessments. The purpose of the norm-referenced test (NRT) is to obtain information about how the performance of Georgia’s students compare with that of students in a national sample, an external reference group. The results of an NRT are used for evaluation, decision-making, and instructional improvement.
The Department of Education has contracted with Riverside Publishing Company to provide the Iowa Tests of Basic Skills, Form A (ITBS/A) for students in one grade within grade bands 3-5 and one grade within grade bands 6-8 at no cost to local systems. Each local system may administer the ITBS/A at some time during the school year. Test materials may be ordered directly from Riverside Publishing Company by calling 1-800-323-9540 X-7091. Local systems should place an order at least 30 days before the materials are needed.
There is no statewide administration window. Riverside Publishing Company interpolates norms to the week of testing, thereby eliminating the need to specify testing windows for fall and spring administrations. Local systems may administer the tests during whichever week, in fall or spring that best suits the systems circumstances.
Local systems may choose to administer a norm-reference test other than the ITBS/A at its own expense. Local systems may also choose to administer other grades at the system’s own expense.
Types of Score Reports
Score reports to local systems will include the following:
* individual student performance report for parents;
* self-adhesive, individual permanent record labels which present normative scores for each student;
* an alphabetical list report by classroom teacher, which list students in a class alphabetically and provides normative scores for each subtest and the total battery;
* school-level and system-level grade summary reports, which provide normative data for each subtest and a composite score for the battery for all students in a particular grade level;
* a classroom summary report, which includes class average scores for each subtest and the total battery;
* school summary reports, which provide normative data for each subtest and a composite score for the battery for each school.
* score reports to the local systems and to GDOE will include the following:
* school, system, and state demographic summaries, which provide normative data for all students and disaggregated by groups specified in state and federal law for score reporting, and standard and non-standard administrations;
* software for test data management for each system and school, with accompanying data on CD-ROM(s) or diskettes in an ASCII format.
June 24th, 201012:55 pm
The sad part about the CRCT is that it lacks rigor in the Reading and LA tests. We then continue the line of faulty thinking that there is a lack of quality teachers in math and science. When ONLY 5 % and 8% of the students in a state fail the Reading and LA portions, but fail the math and science portions by greater than 25% in math and science, it screams that the test lacks consistent rigor across all subject areas. If math and science portions are written on grade level, but reading and LA are written below grade level, how can we ever expect students to be able to successfully pass these sections- particularly 6th and 8th grade math and science- when it is evident that they do not read on grade level. I know that 6th and 8th grade math and science require students to be able to read at a higher level than they do on the general reading and LA tests- but these students lack the skills to be able to read, analyze, and interpret information correctly which is the crux of what one does when they read. Georgia is cranking out functionally illiterate children- and many parents have no clue. Talk about being duped.
June 24th, 201012:57 pm
I am pleased that Kathy Cox will no longer be state superintendent. Her experiments have set this state back tremendously.
June 24th, 20104:28 pm
I am a 6th grade SS teacher. I consider it a personal failure if over 1/2 of my students do not exceed. Yes, Dewey is right. An 800 on the test is aprox. a 55%.
Proud of my kids!
June 24th, 20104:44 pm
@Angela – Having been a Gwinnett teacher for 6 years now, I stand behind their high scores. I have received more professional development and support from my administration and district office than many of my peers in other districts. We are required to state what professional development commitments we will make during the summer break before post-planning ends, attend conferences during the summer, and participate in mandatory staff trainings at the county office throughout the year. I take what I’ve learned back to my classroom and my students. All but one of my students with disabilities passed the Reading portion of the CRCT. It wasn’t because the test was easy – it was because they learned. My students are successful because I am encouraged to keep learning as a teacher and try new things. Please don’t attack or demean my colleagues by suggesting that something is afoul because our students succeed. We work hard EVERY day of the year for our students and always look for new ways to support students in their learning. Sometimes hard work does pay off.
June 24th, 20107:44 pm
@Proud of my kids!
Thanks for the info. But, I think that I did ask what is it that other counties are doing in their curriculum. I am concerned about the scores if they are factual that other counties may need to revamp their curriculum. The one thing that does not happen in DCSS is that many of the teachers attend classes during the summer. I do commend you for taking your summer to not only better your skills as a teacher but, taking that back to your students.
I do not attend summer classes in the sense of in-service however, I do attend doctoral courses and we do share ideas and curriculum among ourselves as well as research. (And, there are several Gwinnett teachers in my program). I too, take that information back and use it with my students. I am in the process of putting together a tutorial program which will/should encourage parents in my school district to become more involved. I am looking forward to seeing how the material will be effective before I put it on the market.
Thanks for sharing your comments. And, just for the record I live in deep Gwinnett and I have attend some school academic functions and have been very impressed. I was merely impressed by just walking into North Gwinnett High School and the manner in which students behave. But, please keep in mind that there is so much going on with test scores I just put the words out there.
June 24th, 20108:45 pm
APS, 169th out of 181. I bet EduPAC is so proud that APS’s “researched based best practices” have been so fully vindicated.
June 25th, 201011:22 am
justbrowsing, you are totally correct. In fact, at least two teachers in my system personally heard DOE personnel explain several years ago that the science GHSGT was purposefully written at a much higher reading level that the ELA portion, to make science a “gateway test”. (When I asked Steve Pruitt about this 3-4 years later, he denied it. While I only know Steve Pruitt casually, I know the two teachers in my system very well, and neither would make something like this up.)
The rationale is that by the time they are juniors in high school, all of our students should be able to read, but “science is hard” and “we have a shortage of good science teachers” – so there won’t be nearly as much public outcry if students fail science.
I suppose that one could ask those teachers who read the tests to students with IEPs what they think, but I’m not sure if they’d be liable for an ethical violation if they answered the question since teachers aren’t supposed to look at the tests.
June 25th, 201011:40 am
Maureen- should I assume from your information on ITBS there is no way to get the data on how Georgia compares to the rest of the nation on ITBS? Is this on purpose?
June 25th, 201011:47 am
@schooled, That is correct. My understanding was that it was both a cost decision and a response to complaints of too much testing.
June 25th, 20102:49 pm
Yes, I am a real live teacher. I stand by my statement. I have seen the number correct out of number of questions for all my students’ subject tests (elementary level) and what percent correct each received.
Attempt to answer some of the questions on the CRCT practice tests on the elementary level and see how you fare-4th or 5th grade level should be challenging for you.
June 25th, 20106:44 pm
Maureen–You mentioned that each school system could give the ITBS in one grade level for grades 3-5 and in another grade level for grades 6-8 at no cost. Is this new or could school systems have given the ITBS like this at no cost during the 2009-2010 school year?
June 26th, 201012:15 am
STOP! “Ed Johnson” is CORRECT. “Dewey” is correct. “Get Real” is correct. “Seriously” is correct (however a 53% on the 6th grade Social Studies CRCT is an 800). To those of you that don’t understand what we are talking about, using the 6th grade SS CRCT as an example- a 53% is an 800. An 800 is a Performance Level. 800-849 for GPS-based CRCT, indicates a level of performance that “Meets the Standard” set for the test.
“Real Time Teacher” – “Dewey” questioned in disbelief your ability to really be a teacher after reading your comments. Let me be a little more direct with you, in the spirit of kind-to-be-cruel, Shut up! What you saying is not only incorrect, it is stupid. Okay, so stop. Protest and defend no longer. okay? Now let me direct you to a couple of things on the GA DOE website. Assessments. CRCT. “2008 Scale Scores and Cut Scores for the Criterion-Referenced Competency Tests” (it is okay that it is 2008 for what you need to learn. If the 2009 one is on there now, of course, reference that one. I suggest you print because you do have the work you mind around the information to truly understand it and you may need to read it, highlight it, mark on it more than a few times). For more information on interpreting scores, find the 2008 CRCT Score Interpretation Guide. (again, if the 2009 one is there -use that one, but as I stated earlier, for what you need to know – the basics of assessment data – terms, definitions, conversion, interpretation etc. the 2008 brief and guide will be just fine).
p.s. “Open Records Act” – stupid too. shut-up! (hello, you want to make the validity and reliablity of these tests O%! Go to GA DOE – you have access to previous years tests. 3rd, 4th and 5th grade SS tests were QCC last year so you can’t compare QCC-based scale scores to GPS-scaled scores and there probably wont be a CRCT to view, as there wasn’t a GPS-based one till this year, but there are “STUDY-GUIDES” and you can get a gist of the assessment. For 6th and 7th grade SS GPS-based scores you wont be able to comapre to any previous years CRCT data, and again you probably aren’t going to find a previous year’s test because there hasn’t been one, but the “Study Guides”…).
June 26th, 20108:42 pm
@real time, no need to be insulting, I also teach elementary and compile scores to keep track of year over year growth of the student based on raw %, not the scaled score, for the school. Please let me know of what cut off % I am incorrect on. From what I’ve seen approxiamtely 80%or above exceeds. This year the cutoff for passing seems to be centered around 50%, approximately 45%-55%. If I am incorrect let me and everyone else know the grade level, subject, and actual cut off %. I do not wish to miss inform anyone. Besides, then you can show how wrong and stupid I am, how smart you are, and how difficult the CRCT is, even challenging for some teachers.
For me, I think the test is a joke that hides how some students actually are below level and need additional support. It’s sad to me when I see nonreaders or students who still use fingers for basic aaddition and subtraction let alone mult. or div. passing the CRCT knowing they will not be identified or receive additional support in middle school. I don’t want to see any student fail a test, but I dislike the false pride that some teachers feel about the CRCT scores. I, too, worked hard this year with all my students passing or exceeding the venerable CRCT. To think the mean composite score of my class on their Fall ITBS score was 4%, based on those results I’m a miracle worker. Or maybe, I’m just a sadden teacher who knows that many students who worked so hard this year, who are still far behind, will become lost in the system. Not left behind, but lost.
Somedays, I wish I could just look at the data on a surface level and tell myself how great I did. Somedays, I wish I could be one of the “kool-aid drinking, CRCT chanting minions”. Somedays, I wish I believed that curriculum/testing is the key to success and needs to be focused on with more programs and trainings, connecting with the actual student as a human is never addressed or completly disregarded, that isn’t needed. Somedays, I wish I could take out my prepackaged, latest craze program and believe it is the absolute best thing for my students without question. Somedays, I wish I would just leave ignorance for what it is, give a compliment to the unkowing and get on with other aspects of my life.
@real time- I am sure you work hard and you should be proud of the results you have accomplished.
Open Records Request
June 27th, 201012:32 pm
@Team Teacher (which I really hope you’re not…) – you’re a rude one, ain’tcha??
I’ve seen the 2008 cut scores – I don’t want the 2008 cut scores, because the cut scores change from year to year! The accusations are that the cut scores were lowered this year and that’s the reason for the growth in percentages of MEETS/EXCEEDS (not scores). The cut scores also are not based on a number correct out of the TOTAL number of questions – there are “test” test questions on there, too. This test has little to no credibility with the public, therefore some transparency may help either solve the problem or shine light on them so they can be fixed.
Second, you say that I have access to previous years’ tests. That is not true, to an extent. The state stopped releasing previous tests some time ago. Many of the old tests that are available online are under the the old QCCs and not the GPS – that does no good. Instead they created the Georgia Online Assessment System (OAS) w/ questions from other states’ (like Massachusetts) tests. Anecdotal evidence is that the practice tests don’t align well with the actual tests, and that the actual tests are too easy. Again, this is what the general public – who has little to no faith in these tests – believe. My point about releasing the test (which you yourself admit they used to do – granted with some questions removed) is to again provide transparency and to either shine a light on or solve the problem (of the tests reputedly being either too easy or full of bad and invalid questions).
I have no interest in making the “validity and reliability 0%” – however, they are already perceived by the general public to be that way. I don’t want study guides – I’ve seen the study guides – I want to know if what the general public is saying (that the tests are inherently an invalid assessment of what our students know and can do because of bad questions and low cut scores) is true.
I feel no need to “shut up” but I do feel a need to tell you to go pound sand.
Keep it Real
July 9th, 20104:57 pm
@Economicwoes please don’t think that white teachers are the best ones out here. There are some very good black teachers as well. The state as as whole is doing poorly compared to the United States. Good teachers all around are loosing their jobs right now. All parents need to put forth the effort in making sure their child(ren) learn what they need to learn in school and home. There are many black schools that are still getting neglected in regards to the resources received compared to the fancy up to date white schools in the better areas. Let’s be real. If the state as a whole wants to do well, they need to provide all the schools with the up to date resources and technology. Keep it fair!!!!!!
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