If the Klan robes are revealing our sordid history, what’s the problem with historical reenactment?

Updated at 11:30 a.m. Tuesday with comments from the Anti-Defamation League.

Updated at 1:29  p.m. Tuesday with news  on civil rights meeting today.

Without knowing the exact context of the school assignment, it is hard for me to get worked up over the four Lumpkin County students wearing Klan costumes. If the purpose of the class assignment was to show how cowardly, hateful and pathetic the Klan was, then I have no objections to the historic reenactment. I want students to see what guises hate has taken historically so they can recognize it today.

I would have asked the principal beforehand and likely sent a note home to parents, but all that may have happened in this case. It is not surprising that the sight of students in white robes would be startling, but I would want to see the finished product and whether it contributed to students learning about this dreadful part of American history.

According to the AJC:

A history teacher in Dahlonega was placed on administrative leave Monday after she let four students wear Ku Klux Klan outfits in a historical reenactment. Catherine Ariemma, a five-year veteran with the Lumpkin County school system, teaches an advanced placement history class at Lumpkin County High.

Her students were filming reenactments of various historical periods last week, and four donned Klan outfits, superintendent Dewey Moye told the AJC.

Students from other classrooms saw them as they walked through a hallway while wearing the costumes to an outdoor shoot, he said, adding that the parents of an African-American child later complained about it.

She said she continues to stand behind the video project and the lesson it was to convey to her students.

“This project was about racism in U.S. history,” Ariemma said. “Not just racism against African Americans, but racism as a whole.”

She said including the Ku Klux Klan was an essential piece.

“You cannot discuss racism without discussing the Klan,” she said. “To do so would be to condone their actions.”

She admitted that she may have made a mistake by letting the students film the Klan reenactment on campus.

“I feel terrible that I have students who feel threatened because of something from my class,” Ariemma told the AJC. “In hindsight, I wouldn’t have had them film that part at school.”

Ariemma is an award-winning teaching. Last year, the Georgia Senate passed a resolution lauding her “dedication to her students and her profession” after she was honored as Lumpkin County High School’s 2009 STAR Teacher. The Student Teacher Achievement Recognition program is sponsored by the Georgia Chamber of Commerce and the Professional Association of Georgia Educators and recognizes teaching excellence.

Moye said Ariemma has never been reprimanded for missteps and that she has always been an “outstanding” teacher. But he said he could not ignore this incident.

She could lose her job over it.

The Anti-Defamation League weighed in Tuesday with this statement:

The Anti-Defamation League, today said that Lumpkin County School Administrators acted appropriately in ordering administrative leave for a teacher who allowed students to parade in Ku Klux Klan costumes in the school. The teacher, Catherine Ariemma, acknowledges now that it was a mistake to allow her students to walk through school in the Klan attire. “But,” said ADL Southeast Regional Director Bill Nigut, “unfortunately she should have known better than to allow it.”

“Some students tell us they were offended, others say they were frightened when confronted with fellow students dressed in Klan garb, one of the most toxic symbols of racism and religious bigotry in American history.” After a conversation with Lumpkin County Superintendent, Dewey Moye, Nigut said he was pleased that school officials recognize the seriousness of the incident. “We understand the teacher involved has had a stellar career but the school had no choice but to condemn her decision in this matter.”

And now there is a release about a meeting between Lumpkin school officials and civil rights activists Tuesday afternoon:

Civil and human rights leader Rev. Markel Hutchins has called a meeting today at 4:00 pm with Lumpkin County Schools Superintendent Dewey Moye, Sheriff Stacy Jarrard, County Commission Chairman Dr. John Radar, Dahlonega Mayor Gary McCollough and other officials to discuss the recent high-profile, racially tense incident of students wearing KKK attire at Lumpkin County High School in Dahlonega, a small city in North Georgia. The leaders will meet at the Lumpkin County School System  and will emerge at approximately 5:00 pm to address the media.

361 comments Add your comment

EnoughAlready

May 24th, 2010
6:20 pm

I’m 100% against this type of reenactment (to show bad or what some consider good). The next thing will be to perform a lynching or put people into the gas chambers. What’s next “Bring a Bigot” to show and tale?

The Klan is not a thing of the past; there was suppose to be a rally in Conyers ( I think) a few weeks ago.

This teacher should be fired, because she went too far.

Agreed

May 24th, 2010
6:28 pm

From speaking to students at LCHS, the assignment was to show the negative effects of racism. It just went too far.

majii

May 24th, 2010
6:31 pm

As an African American and retired high school social studies teacher, I find nothing wrong with the teacher allowing the students to wear the Klan outfits as long as the express purpose was/is to teach the history of the group and the effect(s) it has had on our society. IMHO, I have never found that ignoring that something has happened/exists is not a way to enlighten someone. I think students and the public should have the opportunity to examine different issues/groups and be allowed to reach their own conclusions as to whether these issues/groups help or hurt our country.

majii

May 24th, 2010
6:32 pm

meant to say–I have never found that ignoring that something has happened/exists is a way to enlighten someone

Rufus

May 24th, 2010
6:46 pm

Why didnt the teacher let the principal of the school and parents know that she was filming this sorta history? Her mistake was to just do it and not think about the effect it would have on people. This was not a good thing and she may have lost her job. The hate group is still alive and should only be taught without a demostration to empower them. This group needs no attention to encourage hatred.

will.O

May 24th, 2010
6:47 pm

Well-stated, Majii. As a student at Lumpkin County High School–who has had Mrs. Ariemma–I can tell you that the media has ridiculously distorted the situation. Mrs. Ariemma is an excellent teacher, and the students in AP U.S. history are probably the most committed and open-minded in our school due to the demanding nature of the course (and Mrs.
Ariemma!). The project may have gone too far, but the students were merely depicting historical events and mocking the ignorance of the KKK. This same type of ignorance is now causing militant black to drive all the way up here to “protest” a situation for which they don’t even have the facts.

Courtney

May 24th, 2010
7:12 pm

The students learned that education is not as important as the politically correct feelings of some idiot administrator.

Middle Grades Math Teacher

May 24th, 2010
7:12 pm

Rufus, read what Maureen said. We (general, media-reading public) don’t know that she didn’t inform the principal and parents. And I agree with Majii. Sometimes just having a surface knowledge of a topic isn’t enough for students to truly understand. I remember when I saw the movie, “Saving Private Ryan.” During the final battle scene, I was curled up in my chair, thinking, “I can’t take anymore,” when it hit me, “I can shut the movie off….THEY couldn’t! How could they take it?” It was a moment for me when I feel like I had a real understanding, outside of actually having been there, of what that time in history was.

Reader

May 24th, 2010
7:14 pm

Damage control has to be done. But this is one those situations, if you’re going to do this, please let the proper people know before hand. Permission slips. Something… Don’t just do this and act like nobody is going to be offended.

Majji Fan

May 24th, 2010
7:14 pm

I think Majji responded to this quite well and I completely agree.

Son of an Educator

May 24th, 2010
7:14 pm

my H.S. staged a production of The Diary of Ann Frank, which required some cast members to wear Nazi uniforms. The same could be said for The Sound of Music. My question is; what was “the parent of an African American student” doing at the school? I am “offended” by parents who are offended by American History.

Jennifer

May 24th, 2010
7:15 pm

…..that racism is alive and well in Georgia.

Middle Grades Math Teacher

May 24th, 2010
7:17 pm

So true, Courtney and Will O! Here’s a teacher who is trying to give her students the experiences that make education meaningful, and she/her lesson is going to be judged on inflammatory rhetoric.

chris

May 24th, 2010
7:17 pm

Sadly, It’s part of Georgia history.

Yankee Prof

May 24th, 2010
7:21 pm

Well, the good news for the sensitive souls among us is that now that the Georgia BOE has lifted all caps on class size, even the most dedicated teachers won’t have the time or resources to require such creative, or challenging, or controversial (read: educational), projects anymore. It will all be rote learning and multiple choice tests and no controversy (or learning). Congratulations once again, Georgia. And on behalf of your college faculty, thanks so much. We do love us a challenge.

HStchr

May 24th, 2010
7:28 pm

Once again, what was a simple situation is being made into a big deal. The problem here is that the teacher did not communicate with administration about what could have been a sensitive issue. I always do that and get administrative approval before doing anything that might be a problem. Also, the students could donned the robes outside, away from so much attention. I’m sure in an AP course, the intent was perfectly educational. But it does remind me, as a teacher, to check and double check before getting into what could become a difficult situation. Been there, done that.

Proud Black Man

May 24th, 2010
7:33 pm

How does wearing klan robes TEACH one about history? What standard does it relate to?

https://www.georgiastandards.org/standards/Georgia%20Performance%20Standards/United%20States%20History%202009-2010%2008-14-2008.pdf

Just another example of the white right trying to hijack education,

@ majii
You toms really crack me up.

oldtimer

May 24th, 2010
7:37 pm

Again I agree with Majji…..Some people just like tp stir up trouble. History is best learned from or it will be repeated.

Hmmmmmmm

May 24th, 2010
7:41 pm

This is so ridiculous! OK, take another superb teacher out of the school system. You people that see this as a problem are TOTAL MORONS!

@proud black man

May 24th, 2010
7:45 pm

SSUSH10d Explain Black Codes, the Ku Klux Klan, and other forms of resistance to racial equality during Reconstruction.

V for Vendetta

May 24th, 2010
7:59 pm

EnoughAlready,

Fired? Enough already. Sheesh.

Majji,

Though I wouldn’t tackle this monster myself, I agree that it seems to be much ado about nothing. Well said.

Ms. M

May 24th, 2010
8:05 pm

The ADL has named various reasons why simulations aren’t always the best practice. I think their statement can be applied in this situation as well

Teaching About the Holocaust:
Why Simulation Activities Should Not Be Used
Recently a Holocaust simulation activity at a Florida Middle School upset students, parents and
community members by selecting children to be exposed to “persecution.” Without announcing or
explaining the specific purpose of the activity in advance, eighth-grade students whose last names
started with the letters L-Z were given yellow five-pointed stars and designated the “persecuted”, while
their peers received “privileged” treatment. Throughout the activity the star-wearing students were
subjected to enforced rules which ranged from forcing them to stand at the back of the class or the
end of long lunch lines, to barring them from using some bathrooms and preventing them from using
school drinking fountains. At the end of the day, many children were distressed, and one child even
went home crying, telling his parents, “The only thing I found out today is that I don’t want to be
Jewish.”
While empathy-building activities in the classroom may be compelling and a popular
technique for engaging young people in the history of the Holocaust, the Anti-Defamation
League and other institutions with expertise in teaching the Holocaust strongly caution
against using simulation activities for the following reasons:
• They are pedagogically unsound because they trivialize the experience of victims and can
leave students with the impression at the conclusion of the activity that they actually know what it
was like during the Holocaust
• They stereotype group behavior and distort historical reality by reducing groups of people and
their experiences and actions to one-dimensional representations
• They can reinforce negative views of the victims
• They impede critical analysis by oversimplifying complex historical events and human
behavior, leaving students with a skewed view of history
• They disconnect the Holocaust from the context of European and global history
There are numerous effective and pedagogically sound methods that can be used to achieve
these goals. Students can develop empathy and understanding with the experiences and
explore the motivation, thoughts, feelings and actions of those who lived through the
Holocaust era by:
• Drawing on primary source materials, such as photographs, artwork, diary entries, letters,
government documents, and visual history testimony
• Assigning reflective writing exercises or leading in-class discussions that explore various
aspects of human behavior such as scapegoating or making difficult moral choices
• Inviting survivors and other eyewitnesses to share their stories

Supporter

May 24th, 2010
8:07 pm

Catherine Ariemma is one of the finest teachers I have ever had. She was also one of the best bedtime story readers, and the reason why I am so tolerant of other religions, sexual orientations, and ethnicities. Her project was to promote the understanding of racism and the ignorance which accompanies it. My mother never meant to hurt anyone. I assure you that she is sick with grief over this. As an award winning teacher who spends EVERY DAY at Lumpkin County High School grading papers, perfecting lesson plans, and inspiring others, I cannot believe that those who don’t know the situation are slandering her. The only time she ever missed a day of school was when she helped me move into my college dorm. She is an inspiration to those who had the pleasure of taking her class. Catherine Ariemma demands excellence. That is why the 2010 LC yearbook was dedicated to her… an honor that she will not be present to accept tomorrow. She is not a racist. She is not a supremacist. She is a teacher who is unafraid to take on the darkest parts of our history and bring them into the light in order to provide a deeper understanding of the pain that others have caused. 100 years ago, the Italians and the Irish were denied jobs and worked in deplorable conditions. Those are MY ancestors. We were all once alienated people. When we have teachers that show this and give a deeper understanding to those issues, we gain tolerance. We need more teachers that dare to do the things she does.

Ms. M

May 24th, 2010
8:09 pm

The ADL list numerous reasons why Holocaust simulations are to be avoided. Their advice seems to apply in this situation as well.

http://www.adl.org/education/Simulationinteachinghol.pdf

Let It Go Already!!

May 24th, 2010
8:16 pm

I agree with Majji. Proud Black Man, your part of whats wrong with this country today. Let it go. If you cannot understand or comprehend what this teacher was teaching these kids, I suggest you go educate yourself. It’s ok to have MLK day, black history month and so on, but to teach kids about the “whole” story is wrong? History is important and to understand the struggles of the civil rights movement you need to teach the whole, not just a piece. I sent 2 kids through Ga system and now off to college and because GA and for that matter most of the systems in this country keep dumbing down education, alot of what they learned they had to do on their own to understand the “whole” story. Nerve to call anyone an uncle tom, moron!

Gee

May 24th, 2010
8:16 pm

Son of an Educator GET A GRIP! I can assume that none of your ancestors have seen, read about, or heard of your women being raped. I don’t think you can relate to your ancestors being beaten,set a fire and burned for no reason other that the color of your skin. This is what the kkk did to my people. Is this the history you are trying to teach if so then I am all for it. Funny that you mention the nazi uniforms so I take it you are not Jewish because then you know how a Jewish person feel when they see a nazi uniform. Do you know what it must feel like to have mothers, fathers, and children gased. murdered, and burned all for sake of creating a pure race. If that the type of history you are teaching then I am for it, after all isn’t that the real history.

Wow

May 24th, 2010
8:18 pm

Keith thank you for confirming why we all should be deeply concerned about this situation.

Gee

May 24th, 2010
8:18 pm

please over look the mistakes in the first line of my statement

Mattie

May 24th, 2010
8:26 pm

So the AP students were given an assignment and chose to focus on racism in America? How can they ignore the KKK under those circumstances? Was the finished video pro-KKK? I doubt it. Congratulations for the kids for handling a difficult subject matter, and stop hand-cuffing the teacher’s attempt to make history meaningful for her students.

Educator2

May 24th, 2010
8:26 pm

If the teachers purpose was to “mock the ignorance of the KKK”, I question how does the wearing of robes teach this point? She could not teach this lesson without the robes? Why expose children to something so apprehensible by actually wearing it? No excuses, she was wrong and as a parent, I would have objected to my child actually wearing this attire or being exposed to it in school. Surely, she thought someone would be offended possibly some students in her class. I guess the supporters who support students wearing robes would support a cross burning reenactment too. Would these robe supporters uphold a “lesson” with a lynching reenactment? The robe, crossing burning and lynching are historically associated with the KKK. No excuses, she should be fired. If this would have been reenactment of the Black Panthers, would your support change?

Hank Rearden

May 24th, 2010
8:29 pm

The big, hot, steamy dump Sonny took on our children is far worse than this low class dress-up.

DHD

May 24th, 2010
8:30 pm

Uhh…Georgia doesn’t have the exclusive rights to the KKK. Neither do we have the exclusive rights to racism. That is everywhere. Are evil people NEVER portrayed in school plays?

Political correctness along with ignorance will be the downfall of this country.

RoadRanger

May 24th, 2010
8:30 pm

This is another example of the intellectual paralysis facing our public education systems at the hands of the “I’m offended” crowd. Participatory learning is a powerful approach in teaching and far more effective than the traditional classroom lecture. The students were making a video. They were in costume, not heading out to burn a cross at the school entrance. I agree it would have been wise to keep the principal informed; however, I suspect , as a STAR teacher, her instruction often surpassed the norm. Let the Lumpkin County school superintendent crucify his award winning teacher to satisfy the mob.If she is as good as she sounds, any number of quality systems would be glad to employ her. It sounds as if she would be an asset in the private education system where her creativity and effectiveness could be multiplied by the freedom she cannot enjoy in government schools. Gosh, I wonder why graduates of private and home schools consistently beat their competition? Those who are offended at this non-issue need to get a clue. They might even learn something.

Leigh

May 24th, 2010
8:30 pm

Is it really that big of a deal? Grow up people.

Lee

May 24th, 2010
8:31 pm

Sorta ironic that yankee Maureen calls the Klan “…cowardly, hateful and pathetic…” but conveniently forgets the origins of the Klan were in response to northern “reconstructionists.”

Who’s spouting “hate” now?

Gee, before you spout off about interracial rape, I suggest you peruse the Department of Justice Uniform Crime Statistics.

Proud Black Man

May 24th, 2010
8:34 pm

From a tea (insert name that cannot be mentioned:

“SSUSH10d Explain Black Codes, the Ku Klux Klan, and other forms of resistance to racial equality during Reconstruction.”

http://www.adl.org/education/Simulationinteachinghol.pdf

Thank you Ms. M

Proud Black Man

May 24th, 2010
8:35 pm

@ Lee

“Gee, before you spout off about interracial rape, I suggest you peruse the Department of Justice Uniform Crime Statistics.”

Will do bigot. Was the title of this thread about that?

ScienceTeacher671

May 24th, 2010
8:39 pm

Majii said it already, and better than I can, but Lumpkin County ought to let Ms. Ariemma teach.

bootney farnsworth

May 24th, 2010
8:43 pm

if in context, what’s the problem?

Gwinnett Teacher

May 24th, 2010
8:45 pm

GEE….that was exactly what the teacher was trying to convey to the students…..put yourself in their place and see how you feel…..I’ve been teaching high school social studies for 30 years. We use to do this type of instruction all the time. Now, we just teach the test and don’t even think about innovative or creative simulations because the general public is too ignorant to handle it !!!!! I salute this teacher.

Tony

May 24th, 2010
8:45 pm

The students learned that you aren’t allowed to learn about true events in American history if those events hurt the feelings of certain groups. A very good friend of mine endured a similar reprisal by her principal a few years ago. In her case it was simply a class discussion about the effects of Jim Crow laws that made a student “feel uncomfortable.”

The second lesson that the students learned from this is that “it’s the teacher’s fault” no matter what. The teacher while creating an engaging assignment that caused students to learn is blamed for “going too far”. Teachers who develop students’ passion for learning become easy targets because they draw attention to themselves. This attention, in turn, brings about scrutiny. People are able to find fault with just about anything. Only in America would the study of events in our history create such controversy.

bootney farnsworth

May 24th, 2010
8:47 pm

if nothing else, she was teaching the kids real life
doesn’t give a damn about your ultra thin skin

William Casey

May 24th, 2010
8:48 pm

Wait and see. will.O has it right. We don’t know the details yet. Fulton Board of Ed. member, Katie Reeves, led a media attack one my lessons in the Fall of 2004. Big hassle. As soon as the truth of what I had done came out, she looked like a fool.

My Dad took me to a Klan rally sometime in the 1950’s to show me what hate looks like. I was too young (8-10 YO) to get the full import but the experience with “naked hate” impressed me. Helped me teach the Civil Rights Era years later. I’d have to ask my African-American friends for their take on it.

bootney farnsworth

May 24th, 2010
8:51 pm

would Lumpkin prefer them dressed as Santa?
leprechans?

how about tribal muslims?

JSD

May 24th, 2010
8:58 pm

Holla if you want drama!

Sadtohear

May 24th, 2010
9:02 pm

I think the question was raised earlier but, why wasn’t administration notified that this was happening. This was not well thought out. She ignored the effect that her behavior may have on the handful of black students at that school. I could imagine the trauma they experienced, because the KKK does strike a nerve ( fear, anger, or hate )because of their history of violence. The teacher should not lose her job, but I think she should apologize to those students. As a parent of a black child I would have left my job and come up there as well to find out what was going on.

Proud Black Man

May 24th, 2010
9:04 pm

“A history teacher in Dahlonega…”

Ahhh… that explains it.

oh no - PBM strikes again!

May 24th, 2010
9:05 pm

LOL

I guess Proud Black Man (who is actually white) will be hijacking this thread again.

Everyone objects to something. In public high schools, it’s probably better to stick to content and let only the students who go to college use their critical thinking skills. College professors have tenure, and therefore they are at liberty to have students use their evaluative skills to truly understand a shameful period in American history in the South.

Proud Black Man

May 24th, 2010
9:17 pm

I’m still puzzled about how wearing some kluckers clothes is going to make me think critically about reconstruction era southern states.

@ PBM (who is actually white)

May 24th, 2010
9:27 pm

“I’m still puzzled about how wearing some kluckers clothes is going to make me think critically about reconstruction era southern states.’

kluckers?

This is not a discussion about the Marietta “Big Chicken”.

Maureen Downey

May 24th, 2010
9:27 pm

Lee. Please let us not even go there. If we can’t agree that the Klan represented the worse of human nature, then we are lost.
Maureen

hypocrites

May 24th, 2010
9:29 pm

It was a part of history! Blacks won’t let Americans forget about slavery, even though they need to get over it already. No current White American had one black enslaved. If this had been black kids dressing up in black panther outfits, nothing would have ever been mentioned.

Jesus loves you all!

May 24th, 2010
9:30 pm

Poor judgment on the part of what seems to be a great teacher! A video of the KKK would have served the same purpose. They show them on The History Channel all the time! God Bless us all!

Pi$$onaDAWG

May 24th, 2010
9:42 pm

The kids learned that their TEACHER is being made an example of. I attended NGC and we Hung a Black Pledge in our “RED DOG SALOON” Play during the “GOLD RUSH DAYS” one year. Nobody said a word because that is what used to happen. We only did it once. He/the pledge want to do it. He understood the point we were making. The problem occured when we actually let him drop in the noose the first time. He passed out. The fear and the feeling of the rope on his neck shut his body down. We changed that part of the play. We didn’t need to do it again because it scared us all. If a stink had happened back in the late-80’s over this stunt there are many Army Officers that would never received a Commission.

Atlanta mom

May 24th, 2010
9:45 pm

Good grief people. These students are 17 years old, they are not in middle school. They should be bright students because they are in an AP class. And maybe they even learned something from this reenactment. Maybe they learned that just because the “klansmen” were in robes, they still recognized them. And how would you like to be terrorized by someone you know?

Proud Black Man

May 24th, 2010
9:48 pm

“I attended NGC and we Hung a Black Pledge in our “RED DOG SALOON”

You hung an uncle tom. No self respecting black man would ever let ANYONE place a rope around his neck. Ever!

dawgydawg47

May 24th, 2010
9:48 pm

Those who ignore history are destined to repeat it.

Why do we have to be so politically correct? Get over it people. It is definitely a divisive topic. That’s probably why this teacher tackled it so aggressively. She is making these kids actually think. Maybe we all need to take her class.

Pi$$onaDAWG

May 24th, 2010
9:48 pm

Maureen: the worst of humankind lives in AFRICA. The continuing genocide of Africans by other Africans is much worse than what the KLAN did. The Klan is used for WHITE GUILT. How many rappers or ghetto thugs of the same race shot each other today?

Atlanta mom

May 24th, 2010
9:49 pm

And bless this teacher for continuing to teach. The AP exams are long over and lots of teachers simply put on a movie for the last days of school. I guess some folks think that’s preferable.

Pi$$onaDAWG

May 24th, 2010
9:50 pm

Proud: I guess you have not seen any HOLLYWOOD movie that show this type of event ever happening? HAHAHHA You are too stupid to argue with about this.

Pi$$onaDAWG

May 24th, 2010
9:52 pm

PROUD what was the Movie with George Cloony that had the SOGGY BOTTOM BOYS and the Blue Grass music? I think a black actor had a noose around his neck, but he is an Uncle Tom for that HOLLYWOOD CASH rightt?

Laney

May 24th, 2010
9:54 pm

hypocrites,
The reality is the black panther party voiced their opinions through public demonstrations, threats, harassment, and violence — primarily against the local police force. This is clearly documented. The Klan, however, has been responsible for the documented and undocumented beatings and deaths of many african-americans — men, women and children. You cannot compare Black Panthers to the KKK. At any rate, it was inappropriate to wear KKK robes, and it’s easy for many to say ‘awww..that’s the past, it’s OK’, when your family member has never been on the receiving end of the KKK’s behavior.

Proud Black Man

May 24th, 2010
10:00 pm

@ Pi$$onaDAWG

I see your scatological tea (insert name that cannot be mentioned) ways have caught up with you. Complete frontal lobe separation.

Proud Black Man

May 24th, 2010
10:01 pm

@ Laney

The grafted snakes know they are crooked.

Educator2

May 24th, 2010
10:02 pm

The responses in support of this teacher and her “lesson” is a sad reflection of society and some people’s ability to rationalize the irrational acts of others for the sake of “history” or otherwise.

Pi$$onaDAWG

May 24th, 2010
10:03 pm

Laney Don’t wear Red or Blue or White or Olkand Raider stuff in the wrong areas or you will know GANG Violence. Don’t standup to the Dealers in your neighborhood or you will be on the receiving end of GANG behavior. I compare the Black Panthers to the armed forces of the new drug dealers. The Panthers Supported DRUGS in your communities when the “Revolution” was over and they had nothing to do.

Legend of Len Barker

May 24th, 2010
10:06 pm

Actually, the Klan had a rally a couple of months ago in Nahunta.

Based on the article, she didn’t inform as thoroughly as she should have as to what she was planning on doing.

Outside of that, I don’t see the problem. I don’t think we teach enough about the period between Reconstruction and the Civil Rights era in regards to how black citizens were treated in the South. Georgia had at least 400 lynchings between 1869 and 1939 and there are countless more articles about authorities having to move suspects because of the threat of being lynched. While not all of the lynching mobs were part of the KKK, there were probably some direct ties as the the resurrection of the Klan came out of another pivotal (and under-taught) incident in Georgia history, the lynching of Leo Frank in 1915.

Racism and agriculture were the very core of the South, how it considered itself and how it was considered by others. The Klan were a big part of it. It’s unfortunate that some don’t understand that learning the past is one of the best ways that we can better ourselves.

Gee

May 24th, 2010
10:19 pm

Lee you got to be jocking right. That was real funny what you wrote. How many kkk members went to jail or even stood trial for rape or murder? I bet almost none, since most of the police, sheriffs, judges and lawyers also wore white sheets. Lee when did they start keeping thoses statistics you are talking about? I bet there are no kkk members included.. What do you think.

Majii-NON FAN

May 24th, 2010
10:19 pm

Thank You Proud Black Man. Get a grip ‘Miss Majii’. You don’t have to bow down any more. You don’t have to try to smile when you are feeling the griping tears of hurt. Hold your head up high. Just repeat to your self ..’Never Again, Never Again,…..

Pi$$onaDAWG

May 24th, 2010
10:20 pm

The New Klan is a Joke. The REAL NEW KLAN are the GANGS that are not about race as much as Territory held by a RACE and the money to be made.

MUSTANG100

May 24th, 2010
10:22 pm

All this is really about is rev. Hutchins’ getting some PR. There is a two-word phrase for rev.s like him and their drama, and the last word is O-U-T.

Laney

May 24th, 2010
10:26 pm

This blog is getting out of control :) You guys are funny. Can we all just agree that the teacher should have given notice?

Proud Black Man

May 24th, 2010
10:27 pm

“The responses in support of this teacher and her “lesson” is a sad reflection of society and some people’s ability to rationalize the irrational acts of others for the sake of “history” or otherwise.”

“It is difficult at this day to realize the state of public opinion in regard to that unfortunate race which prevailed in the civilized and enlightened portions of the world at the time of the Declaration of Independence, and when the Constitution of the United States was framed and adopted; but the public history of every European nation displays it in a manner too plain to be mistaken. They had for more than a century before been regarded as beings of an inferior order, and altogether unfit to associate with the white race, either in social or political relations, and so far unfit that they had no rights which the white man was bound to respect.”

Unfortunately they are unable to remove the beam from his or her eyes.

Laney

May 24th, 2010
10:27 pm

Or a heads-up?

ShaunD

May 24th, 2010
10:39 pm

What? How ignorant can this teacher be? What did they get….A’s? I wonder whether the student(s) can sue for social endangerment/intimidation, harassment, hostile environment and anythang else they could come up with? No one wants a re-enactment of uprisings or revolts or do they? I say away with the meetings and get a lawyer and sue! That is the only way some people actually learn in life once their wallets are hit! That way they will become less arrogant-ignorant, less uninhibited, more educated and stop this feeling as if they are unstoppable or untouchable! “Reparations now and reparations forever….” LOL. By the way I thought terrorists/terrorism was supposed to get dealt with for real! Is this situation with this teacher and school any different? I am not one to fear KKK robes or any of that stuff and from what I understand not only are they a symbol of hate and anything “purely” evil, but aren’t they gang members, too? Where is that good ol’ law and campaign- against -crime committee? Is that not what they represent? So a good prosecution or charge should be brought against the teacher, the school district and the supe. Talkin’ and prayin’ has gone on long enough! This is a new day and new time and it is time to take some action! Now is the time to catch a case….non-violently…………..maybe…(smile)

Not Palin

May 24th, 2010
10:54 pm

Those who think this is fine would have no problem with black panthers, nazis, Nate Turner organization, Sadam sympathizers, AntiWhite Committee also walking around in school

[...] Downey at the AJC has opened her Get Schooled blog on the subject. The responses are half-filled with insight and half-filled with trolling and hate. [...]

Proud Black Man

May 24th, 2010
11:04 pm

Looking forward to see if this “exemplary” teacher is going to have her students dress up as suicide bombers as another paradigm concerning Afghanistan.

Pi$$onaDAWG

May 24th, 2010
11:07 pm

A Government School backed by the 1st Ammendment is stoping free speech. HAHAHAHAHAAH. The govt. can regulate free speach within their walls because if free speech was allowed then the CHRISTIANS could pray.

Maureen Downey

May 24th, 2010
11:10 pm

@Dawg, Christians can pray all they want in school. They just can’t do it on the loudspeaker or in front of the class to kick off first period. There is nothing stopping students from silent prayer all day long. Somehow, I don’t think it’s schools that are keeping teens from prayer and church.
Maureen

ShaunD

May 24th, 2010
11:11 pm

Oh yeah I forgot! I skimmed thru some of these comments after posting mine. For some folks just taking shots at only Afro-Americans it just goes to show how amazingly f**ed up, innately-insane and mentally psychotic and ignorant some of ya’ll are! I guess it is a Southern thang, is it? I thought the KKK was anti-anything Non-White? I would hate to have so many Non-Whites restraining their brains from just whuppin’ up on some ass! Now that “Whites” are no longer the so-called majority that is just way too many enemies to have. Native Americans, African-Americans, Jews, homosexuals, Asian-Americans, Catholics, “good” White-people, etc., etc! Ooh there is just not much else to do, huh? I am glad that I am not “White”. It is just not a good time for ya’ll! I am not one of those types that grew up around here nor born with the fear when I came down here but I sure have learned how stupid some of the so-called ol’ South can be at times!…..And about somebody using this forum to say certain remarks about “Blacks” only? Sounds like an original. He must have never went anywhere else in life. Come on out to South Central and talk that sh** BOY! What does wearing KKK robes discussion have to do with stating your little tantrums about how and what all “Black” people do? I thought this sh** was supposed to be edited? That was a direct hit and I am not one to take it! $$$…..&%mf…@#xyz!bleepbleep…. oh i edited this comment for you, AJC.

Pi$$onaDAWG

May 24th, 2010
11:13 pm

TEACHER please have the kids come to school with HUGE Machetes and chop the heads off american soldiers. Show the 7-14 year old boys in Africa killing their own family members. TRUTH HURTS. Please show the RAP STARS killing TuPAC and BIGGIE. Blacks want to cry when it is WHITE on Black CRIME, but IGNORE BLACK on BLACK crime.

Pi$$onaDAWG

May 24th, 2010
11:15 pm

To form a hand held ring around a Table in the lunchroom and makeing a Prayer over their MEAL is not allowed.

Maureen Downey

May 24th, 2010
11:17 pm

@ShaunD. Despite the edits, you still ended up in the filter. I am freeing your comment but brace yourself.
Maureen

Pi$$onaDAWG

May 24th, 2010
11:23 pm

Maureen: I didn’t see ONE person Walking in SELMA. I didn’t see 1 person at the Woolsworth Lunch Counter. I didn’t see ONE student walking into ALABAMA. I did see 1 Rosa Parks on the front of the bus. Why should Christians have to pray as ONE when the BLACKS busted barriers with the MULTITUDES.

DB

May 24th, 2010
11:23 pm

The parent was “offended” at kids wearing sheets? Boy, I bet they spend every Halloween in a frenzy.

Does anyone involved in this actually think that the teacher is trying to establish a Student KKK Club at Lumpkin County High School? This is a HISTORY lesson, for heaven’s sake. If anything, all this misplaced hysteria just goes to illustrate the phenomenon of “mass hysteria”. Racism and bigotry was not the goal here — the teacher was trying to illustrate a sordid and unpleasant part of history. However, the misplaced outrage over this, especially if it leads to her dismissal, will go a long way towards fueling very real bigotry and resentment — THAT should be instructional.

I saw the video of the principal (or was it the superintendent?) who sat stiffly at his desk and intoned on public media that she had “obviously” used “poor judgement.” Sorry, it’s not that obvious. Gee, way to back your teachers — good to know you’ve got their back. Why bother with a “demonstration”? The students are about to get a first-hand viewing of a real, modern lynching. Sheesh.

Pi$$onaDAWG

May 24th, 2010
11:28 pm

DB the Black students and parents will never see that. I bet most back the Mom and Daughter the kill many people last EASTER and tried to hid the car and fix it.

Just a Thought

May 24th, 2010
11:36 pm

Maureen,

I am a high school history teacher and I am all for tackling the controversial topics. I grew up with stories of the KKK terrorizing my family. I have an older family member who was shot in the leg when he was just a baby by the Klan when they attacked the family home. Thank God he survived but he limped for the rest of his life…a permanent visual reminder for the following generations regarding the Klan.

I don’t doubt that Ms. Auriemma was sincere and had no malicious intent. She probably has the best rapport with her students. However, I can also see how this would upset a parent especially if their family history is even remotely similar to mine.

Also understand, many of the perpetrators are still alive and have never been brought to justice. There was no Truth and Reconciliation Commission or Nuremberg Trials for African Americans. There was no closure from the terrorizing events for many victims. The wound is still raw so I understand the concern. I do wish we would talk more openly about race in our schools but it has to be done carefully because the wound has been allowed to fester unchecked for so long.

I do not place blame on those who were not involved with the KKK or slavery. To do so would be illogical. I do however disdain the attitude of “get over it, it happened so long ago” Not true. For many African American families the last slave ancestor can be as near as a great grandparent depending on your age. As I stated before, my grandparents have vivid memories of the Klan. That is living memory not dead history. That is not so long ago.

For me, institutionalized racism is a historical fact that needs to be treated as such. What we need is admittance on both sides. For White America (as a whole, some are further along than others) to be brave enough to stop running from this period in history by trying to ignore or trivialize it and for Black America to be brave enough to let the wounds heal whether people ever apologize for it or not.

plc

May 24th, 2010
11:41 pm

PDawg…any student-led prayer IS allowed as long as it follows school rules. We had a prayer group that met at the beginning of each lunch period when I was in high school. We have several groups like that at my school now, as well.

to the rest of the posters…SERIOUSLY? These posts are why racism is still alive. PBM, get over yourself with tea… and lobotomies. While I agree with you sometimes, the minute you go to comments like that, it takes you down to their level and takes away any arguments you had.

The hatred the KKK, Nazis, and gangs represent shouldn’t be ignored in order to not repeat history and to honor the victims. However, I don’t think the issue lies solely with the teacher here. I think these students could have easily shot a movie that shows the hatred off campus or even in one classroom if it was necessary and educational. They immaturely chose to walk across campus for the shock value. Anyone who has ever taught high schoolers should be able to realize this – they don’t think and want to stand out.

Maureen Downey

May 24th, 2010
11:42 pm

@pic, The story now has comments from the teacher and she said she walked with the kids through the school en route to the filming site outside the building.
Maureen

Proud Ariemma Student!

May 24th, 2010
11:48 pm

Mrs. Ariemma has been one of the greatest teachers I have ever had. This project is apart of the course and @proud black man this is an AP class we are apart of. This means we learn at a college level which is above high school standards. Every thing we learn is in more in depth and this was simply a project doing exactly that. I know the students who were apart of this “KKK Klan” and they include minorities which were targeted by the actual klan. Their project was poking fun at racism and the KKK. You think you are offended? I am offended for my teacher, my friends and myself for being accused of racism.

@proud Black Man “Looking forward to see if this “exemplary” teacher is going to have her students dress up as suicide bombers as another paradigm concerning Afghanistan.”

How dare you post this comment! Unless you were apart of my class you have no room to comment on my teacher or my friends!

plc

May 24th, 2010
11:49 pm

Never mind, then. I guess I should apologize to those students! However, that does place even more blame on the teacher. I see where she wanted to go, but it just seems too far with this type of topic. I still want to know more about the assignment and purpose – I’ll have to keep reading.

Pi$$onaDAWG

May 25th, 2010
12:06 am

Why don’t all the RICH BLACK SLAVE Bit..h and wine? The Pro Athlete is an Owned SLAVE.

Proud Black Man

May 25th, 2010
12:07 am

“and @proud black man this is an AP class we are apart of.”

? another case of frontal lobe separation

“How dare you post this comment! Unless you were apart of my class you have no room to comment on my teacher or my friends!”

Its called the 1st amendment little tea (insert the name that cannot be mentioned). Try to be “a part” of a civilized society.

majii

May 25th, 2010
12:29 am

My previous comment had nothing to do with “bowing down” to anyone. My comment was based on my view of, education, training, and experience in, the field of education as a social studies teacher. Someone actually involved in the field would invariably have a different opinion than one who has never worked in it, hence, the off-topic comments regarding the Black Panthers, the NAACP, African American scholarship opportunities, Al Sharpton, beauty pageants geared toward African Americans, etc. I believe that the Black Panthers and the NAACP should also be studied to determine their effect(s) on this country. There’s a big difference between viewing a topic from a professional POV and viewing it from an emotional one based on one’s prejudices and interpretations of it with an intent to smear it or show disdain for it. The former is a search for truth and knowledge while the latter is uninformed venting, adding nothing substantive to the topic under discussion.

Proud Black Man

May 25th, 2010
12:36 am

This is better then watching Rand Paul back pedal!

DB

May 25th, 2010
12:37 am

@majii, I bet you rocked as a teacher! I think there may be a job opening pretty soon at Lumpkin — interested? :-)

sac

May 25th, 2010
1:04 am

Great teaching!!! Yes, I’m African American!!! I wish she had notified others of her project, but the end results should be a teaching tool as well. The reactions from students, now teach them how to ignore certain situation without violence and REMEMBER FOR EVERY ACTION THERE IS A REACTION!!! If you dont agree with something TALK IT OUT!!! When you focus on whats in front of you.. u give them power.

Proud Ariemma Student!

May 25th, 2010
1:22 am

@Proud Black Man That comment is libel on my teacher and my classes judgement and you know it.

This whole thing has been blown out of proportion and the media has reported false information they received by students who were not even involved in the class.

Thank you Plc. I appreciate the apology but my teacher has done nothing wrong as well.

Our class was assigned as our final a video project. This is a project done every year as a final for APUSH class and the student body watches these videos and clearly know when they are going on. I should know since I look forward to watching these videos every year. This project allows us as the students to pursue topics in US History that caught our eye and made us think. The students group up and we pick a broad enough topic that we can do an entertaining but informative video.

That group choose to show the horrors of racism throughout our country (which also includes every other race and religion excluding WASPS). Their “uniforms” were constructed from bed sheet and spongebob party hats. They were difficult to put on so they simply decided to walk quickly through the hall and out to where they were filming. Every other student except for Cody Rider felt it was funny and clearly connected it to the films which once again everyone knew about. Also it must be pointed out that Cody is known to have a hot head over everything and often seeks out attention.

We as a class, including our teacher, have apologized if we offended anyone but this entire story is fabricated out of our small town’s need for gossip and drama.

Nabe

May 25th, 2010
4:15 am

@Proud Ariemma Student!

How interesting that you feel obliged to target the black Cody Rider with innuendos and character besmirching descriptors while defending your teacher from the same.

Methinks you doth protest too much, the simple fact is – southern whites (bet you are white too) generally seem unable to grasp the enormity or the damage they have done and continue to do today to the psyche of African-Americans in that region. I suppose living with such casual daily racial animus does dull the sensibilities and concience – afterall some of your best preachers were KKK too,

drew (former teacher)

May 25th, 2010
6:01 am

Much ado about nothing. It just amazes me what causes people to get their panties in a wad (except for PBM…his panties STAY in a wad). Yeah…let’s just ignore history and pretend the KKK never existed…like the Holocaust.

Good teaching gets trumped by a spineless adminstrator. So this is the reward for teaching outside the box. Teachers are constantly told that engaging students is the best way to improve learning. I guess from now on this great teacher will just lecture about the klan…or better yet, just show them a video.

The truth??? Apparently some sensitive souls can’t handle the truth.

Dramalonega

May 25th, 2010
6:29 am

It sounds like this has been blown way out of proportion. But Dahlonega is also known as “Dramalonega”.

GB

May 25th, 2010
7:23 am

Several comments:

Yeah, right: Rev. Markel Hutchins is helping to “quell frustration.”

Rider has a record of fighting.

It is not as obvious to me as it is to Moye that the teacher used poor judgment. The students were wearing theatrical costumes.

There are concerns about Rider’s safety? He is the one who threatened violence.

And Moye says this is a teachable moment. Of course. A teachable moment. Maybe he should see about teaching Rider not to react with threats of violence when he sees something he does not like. Maybe Rider has “anger management issues.”

Finally, I suggest a new headline: Black Student With Record of Fighting Threatens To Assault Thespians.

A CONSERVATIVE

May 25th, 2010
7:24 am

LIBERALs always reWrite history of that period…..SOUTHERN DEMOCRATS CREATED JIM COW & ALSO CREATED THE KKK….there were no republicans in the KLAN…..all southern Democrats…the liberal Media has lied about that history…just lied about it..

catlady

May 25th, 2010
7:28 am

Knowing some of the backwoods parts of Lumpkin County even today, I am willing to bet that most of the local folks who were upset were NOT the few black folks, but those who even today are involved in the Klan. You see, Ms. Downey, you cannot use the past tense with the Klan. They are alive and kicking in some parts of the state, and those that sympathize with them are legion.

So, please, I would posit that it is not political correctness, but, instead, the sensitivity that Klan members have to being made fun of that drives this.

One of my family members worked under Mr. Moye and found him to be a decent and honorable man.

catlady

May 25th, 2010
7:34 am

Early for the filter to be clogged….

Leigh

May 25th, 2010
7:36 am

And this is news how? I once saw a chair decorated with serial killers of the past in an APUSH class. Did anyone complain about it? NO! Get a grip people. It was just a class assignment, not a recruiting video. These AP assignments are done after students take the AP test, and are designed to let students pick something they have studied about over the course of the year and do a project on it. You people really need to get a life.

Proud Black Man

May 25th, 2010
7:39 am

It is so amusing watching the closet bigots work themselves in a lather because some “exemplary” teacher is supposedly being throw under the bus due to blacks over reacting. I call BS on all you tea (insert the name that cannot be mentioned)!

Logic 88

May 25th, 2010
7:42 am

Somehow I think if everyone saw the video that the advance placement students made everyone would agree there was considerable overreaction to this event.

Vince

May 25th, 2010
7:44 am

@PBM… Actually look through the standards and you will find it. I believe it is SSUSH10 d.

Are there other characters from history that cannot be depicted in a film or reenactment without the teacher getting in trouble? I would be terribly affronted by a student dressed as Malcolm X, Hitler, King Henry VIII, etc……

Just wondering….

Son of an Educator

May 25th, 2010
7:46 am

Gee, as a former teacher myself, I will attempt (foolishly?) to make this a “teaching moment”. Has your immediate family been “raped” or “lynched” or otherwised terrorized by the KKK? Do you have ancestors (parents, aunts/uncles, grandparents or great-grandparents) who perished in Nazi Death Camps? Let’s go a step further. Did you have relatives die on 9/11? Any family members killed on December 7th 1941? How about Hiroshima and Nagasaki? As a previous poster notes; what about Darfur, Rawanda or Somalia? Kosovo? Last time I checked, we are ALL members of the human race. To “segregate” or compartmentalize history, or to ignore 800 lbs. gorillas enables and perhaps even encourages racism, bigotry and religious intollerance. Discrimination is a fact of life. Life, at times, can be “offensive”. When one race, or one faith, or one gender, or one ethnic group claims title to “suffering” or “persecution” or suggests IT alone is permitted to be “offended” by KKK robes, Swastikas, Confederate flags, or burning American flags; we perpetuate racism, as opposed to confronting it. I pray you do not have teenage children, but if you do, you should move to Lumpkin County and enroll them in the AP History program. “…any man’s death diminishes me, because I am part of mankinde… …therefore, never seek to know form whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee…”

Enough already

May 25th, 2010
7:46 am

To not FULLY understand history and to the impact has on us today is to be ignorant. If we are ignorant, then we will inevitably suffer through the same events again since we would not have that resource to learn from.

This was a mistake on judgment in not informing parents of the project, that is all.

Some of these comments are ridiculous. First of all, every one of our ancestors were persecuted at one time or another. How far back do we go to use this crutch? We are GENERATIONS away from what happened in the US. If you think that today’s racism only happens to Afro-Americans, than you are quite self-absorbed and on and pity wagon. Suck it up and deal with it. Racism is going to be around as long as there are people in the world. I wish it weren’t so, but it is.
To all the Afro-Americans out that think that they are being discriminated against, ask yourself this question and try to be honest with yourself. Are you seeking a racial equality or racial supremacy?

Elizabeth

May 25th, 2010
7:46 am

We are so careful not to “offend” anyone with the truth– if they happen to be nonCaucasian. I am not a racist, but every day my race is assaulted and vilified for mistakes made by those of long ago. Yet if someone wants to renevate a Confederate cemetaryor fly a confederate flag or pay at a foot ball game, we get vilified for it.

Its only me

May 25th, 2010
7:46 am

I am so sick of this. You have a history teacher doing her job…..Teaching history. This is America and she is teaching OUR history and yes it does include the KKK and slavery and all the past good and bad. Yet dont let anyone teach the facts. Just put Obama in the history books beside Bill Clinton.

I am so sick of this fight. She is a good teacher and because of her teaching ways these kids learn the facts. Ok, so she was wrong to let them prade through the schools, but other students also have to learn that its not all about them either. We are a country of mixes and that is a fact. Leave this teacher alone. The way I see it, we dont have a lot of teachers who love the job and do as well as this teacher. We need more like her, and to suspend her? What a joke. TEACH AMERICAN HISTORY THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN IN THE LAND.

Oh by the way, Black history month insults me. You need to stop teaching that as well in schools. Think thats fair? Of course you dont. And Martin Luther King day is the only day that you support his teachings. The rest of the time you do what you want. Its only for your day off that you care.

Its time to shut up and let these teachers teach the history of the America and crying every time you dont like something. Its history people, deal with it. Its what made a lot of people who they are today.

Son of an Educator

May 25th, 2010
7:53 am

or perhaps the history editors would prefer GA and Lumpkin county adopt the Texas Board of Education model.

Sign of things to come

May 25th, 2010
7:54 am

Nabe….Maybe you should join the school kids and learn something. Might want to start with English…………”Methinks” ? What the heck is that. Oh I know, its what a 2 year old says when he/she starts talking. Grow up! This was a history lesson pure and simple. The KKK is part of history so deal with it!

Good teachers are few and far between. Let her do her job and shut up about what you dont like. Its not about you, its about AMERICAN HISTORY.

Vince

May 25th, 2010
7:55 am

Unbelieveable. Principal to principal….? You should have had her back, buddy.

Proud Black Man

May 25th, 2010
7:59 am

@ Vince

SSUSH10 The student will identify legal, political, and social dimensions of Reconstruction.
d. Explain Black Codes, the Ku Klux Klan, and other forms of resistance to racial equality during Reconstruction.

So you have to dress as a klucker to be able to “explain” this? You tea (insert the name that cannot be mentioned) have no shame do you? Lets face facts; the teacher made a piss poor decision. No wonder Georgia is fast on its way to being last in education.

Patricia Stultz

May 25th, 2010
8:01 am

Much ado about nothing, again. It’s history, so is the holocaust, the Civil War, etc. Let teachers teach and leave them alone! Why deny or ignore that it happened? Or say it didn’t happen (as some say about the holocaust).

Proud Black Man

May 25th, 2010
8:02 am

@ Enough already

“To all the Afro-Americans out that think that they are being discriminated against, ask yourself this question and try to be honest with yourself. Are you seeking a racial equality or racial supremacy?”

Fair question. I’m seeking a racial payback. Satisfied?

a_mom

May 25th, 2010
8:03 am

Wow. This situation is the perfect poster child for political correctness run amuck.

People are always complaining about education in Georgia. Here we have an outstanding AP History teacher, who was a 2009 STAR teacher, who was acknowledged by the Georgia Senate for her dedication to her students… but she could LOSE HER JOB over a re-enactment of an actual period in history. Unbelievable!!

So, do African-Americans protest Hollywood every time a movie, TV show, or theater production depict the Klan? Do you protest if it is mentioned in history texts? No, you’d probably protest if it was left out of texts, claiming some sort of white cover-up.

Incidentally, the same arguments could be said of any movie, plays or texts which covers the Nazis during WWII. I’m pretty darned sure they depict the Nazis in their uniform.

Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it. Political correctness will be the downfall of this country.

Corey

May 25th, 2010
8:05 am

Hypocrites, your ignorance is glaring. Comparing the Black Panthers to the KKK? You really don’t know anything about the BLack Panthers. You are just repeating what you heard from others who don’t have a clue. When did the Black Panthers go into white neighborhoods and pulled family members out in the middle of the night and lynced them? The Black Panther Party started in Alabama as the Freedom Party during the Civil Rights Movement as an orginization pushing for voting rights. Sure the organization later became identified with more radical elements who left SNCC(Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee) because they thought SNCC was not aggressive enough in its fight against Jim Crow and racial inequality. The term “Black Panther” was coined by an elderly gentleman who joined the struggle against racial injustice. When the Freedom Party was looking for a symbol the elderly gentleman suggested a panther. “Until the lions have their historians the hunt will always glorify the hunter” – African proverb.

hotlanta

May 25th, 2010
8:10 am

Her interpetation of the Klan is not accurate. They are not wearing sheets anymore they are wearing 3 piece suits.

catlady

May 25th, 2010
8:12 am

Methinks is Shakespeare-era English. Also, watch out for “Much ado about nothing.”

Shelly

May 25th, 2010
8:13 am

What’s the problem? If history can’t be reenacted without people getting upset then maybe they still need to be kept it is obvious they can’t get on with life.

williev2000

May 25th, 2010
8:14 am

I’m African American and a retired school administrator. The problem with the activity was that there should have been discussion and full disclosure up front about what was happening. If handled appropriately and with care, it could be a great class activity.

Son of an Educator

May 25th, 2010
8:14 am

Proud Black Man, and how would you like to be “paid back”? You’ll have to get in line with the Cherokee, Navajo, Seminole, Delaware, et al; and let’s not forget the Polynesians of Hawai’i; the natives of what is now Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, and California. Oh, and the Eskimo-Aleut’s of Alaska. And even is there were some master plan or model for the racial payback you seek, how does firing or suspending a decorated educator fit into the mix? You need to get off this blog and call your Congressman to share your ideas. My guess is, he’s probably too busy being wined and dined by a labor union, defense contractor, drug company or some other special interest lobbyist. I suspect you will learn a great deal about American History.

Proud Black Man

May 25th, 2010
8:18 am

@ Son of an Educator
Not “paid back” but “payback.” This might help you to understand:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsOmvSlPuys

theGMan

May 25th, 2010
8:20 am

When you are trying to teach kids brutal lessons from the past, sometimes you must push the limits. I applaud this teacher and hope for the best. Political correctness is killing this country.

Wondering

May 25th, 2010
8:22 am

I have been wondering . . . if everyone gets riled up over history . . . why doesn’t the Frontier Indians go on the warpath??? Heck, they had their homeland taken from them, rounded up like cattle and herded to reservations. Why would they be any different than African-Americans who are so upset over a piece of history. And also, why must you be called African Americans instead of just Americans?? Does that added part of the name give you more rights than the average American? If you are born in the United States you are an American period! Stop the foolishness if you really love America and just be part of society. History is history, like it or not.

Son of an Educator

May 25th, 2010
8:30 am

Proud Black Man, I don’t open YouTube links. FYI, I used “paid” as the past tense of pay. I understand the verb “pay” does not exclusively denote financial compensation. But, if you are seeking revenge or even justice, my guess is you will remain bitterly disappointed. As stated, it is not prudent or even possible for any American to seek or receive “payback” for the proverbial sins of our fathers. What is done is done. There is a difference between studying history and living in the past.

Muntu Obe

May 25th, 2010
8:35 am

Keith, regarding the 5/24 8:07 comment – This is the reason that racism is alive and well in Georgia and across America. How dare you say that all Black people are criminals and thugs. Do you realize that the President of the United States is Black? How do you live with yourself with your racist comments. The KKK murdered and lynched Black people for years and are still marching. How do you condone murder of any race of people for the colors of their skin. There are millions of professional Black folks at all levels of society. Racists like you should crawl back under the rock you came from.

AllHistoryTeacher

May 25th, 2010
8:41 am

Just another example of an out of control AP history/Humanities teacher – they teach only the brightest and think they control some type of think-tank cult mentality. I have seen this many times, they cross the line then think they are above reproach and have type of right and authority above others!. But one question, what was the group that was in the cafeteria – that wouldn’t have been In school suspension was it?

V for Vendetta

May 25th, 2010
8:43 am

Wondering,

Good point. Why don’t we just make a list of all people who have been oppressed throughout history, and those races, religions, and/or sexual preferences will be “hands off.” Of course, that would include everyone . . .

My ancestors were Irish. They came to America and were welcomed by signs that said “Irish need not apply” and what not (which led to an enormous subculture of Irish gang violence and crime in south Boston). No biggie. Tolerance always spreads. More education = more tolerance.

But that’s not what many of you are after. Some, such as Lee, are for resegregation and racial inequality. Some, such as PBM, are for the same, but for different reasons. Either way, they’re both ignorant. (Supporting your asinine viewpoints with a neverending stream of internet factoids does not make you relevant, by the way.)

There are more than enough things to dislike about people; we don’t need to use something as arbitrary as skin color to add to it. This teacher was showing her students the horrors and injustices that an organization such as the Klan embodies, despite what bigots such as Lee claims. She was doing her job–spreading tolerance by spreading education–and she should NOT be raked over the coals for it. If you don’t value, support, and honor teachers such as her, then it is YOU who is spreading intolerance by not allowing students to rise above the intolerance that surrounds them.

I’m sure the trolls will have something cute or pithy to say in response, but it will just be empty rhetoric.

Education = tolerance. We would do well to remember that.

rolliep

May 25th, 2010
8:44 am

The students were walking thru the cafeteria.You know they knew it would cause commotion. Don’t put all the blame on the teacher.

Maureen Downey

May 25th, 2010
8:45 am

To all, As regular Get Schooled posters know, race issues — or issues that provoke comments about race — are the most controversial and bring out the nutcases. While I give folks leeway, I have been removing some comments from this blog today that I feel cross the line. Let me know if you think I need a heavier hand. The consensus on this blog has always been to let people speak and the community respond. That said, there are comments that are simply unacceptable.
I think the best metaphor for a healthy blogging community is a front porch debate among neighbors. So, please be neighborly.
There are valid arguments on both sides of this question of Klan costumes. I appreciate those sane and thoughtful remarks.
Maureen

Learn the facts first

May 25th, 2010
8:47 am

To Proud Black Man,

Learn some facts before making ignorant comments. AP classes do not have to correlate to State of Georgia standards. Their standards are national standards put in place by the College Board. But since you asked, here are the standards this would apply to: 13 c. The politics of segregation: Jim Crow and disfranchisement, 15 f. Proponents and opponents of the new order, e.g., Social Darwinism and Social Gospel, 17 e. Black America: urban migration and civil rights initiatives, 19 e. The ongoing struggle for equality: African Americans and women, 24 a. Emergence of the modern civil rights movement.

Enough already

May 25th, 2010
8:47 am

@Wondering. Very well put. I wasn’t going to go there in my post. I didn’t want to be perceived as racist in order for my point to come across unobstructed. I am all for equality. I feel deeply about treating everyone with DUE respect. I cannot respect those that are supremacists, for they look down on others. That is unacceptable.
I guess I need to start referring to my self as Franco-American, as my Grandparents are from Quebec. I wonder how weird looks I’ll get.

Eric

May 25th, 2010
8:48 am

As a young black man, I don’t see anything wrong with the “project”. HOWEVER! Not notifying the Administrators and Parents was a bad choice in judgement. Being that we live in a world that the KKK is still prevalent made it bad judgement to not properly communicate to Admin, Parents, and Student body of the project. I know If I seen that as a student and didn’t know what was going on, I would of freaked out. Just the thought of what could of been unfolding ( A Massacre on Black students) would of been very startling to me. We had a situation when i was in school (the year 2000) where black students and faculty members lives were threaten if attended school. That was a situation that wasn’t taken lightly. Also there was a big cross burned in front of our school. And this did not take place in the South. I attended school in California. We have to be mindful of how we teach things of this nature. It’s a very sensitive topic and should be taken on with precaution.

ADO

May 25th, 2010
8:50 am

Pi$$onaDAWG

May 25th, 2010
12:06 am
Why don’t all the RICH BLACK SLAVE Bit..h and wine? The Pro Athlete is an Owned SLAVE.

This is about the most ignorant statement I’ve read in a while. Pro Athletes are performing a job just like the rest of us that actually work……what you’re really saying is…..”If I’m Black and I work, I’m a slave.

This teacher who supposedly is a star teacher (if this is an example of what star teachers do, I’m losing all respect I ever head for star teachers) should have known better than to stage something like that……it’s only aggravating the already tense racial problem in this country. It’s teaching blacks to hate whites more than they already do even tho blacks would be in a sorry state without us :) See Zimbabwe and Haiti as examples

the prof

May 25th, 2010
8:55 am

PBM, was that you under one of those robes???

Barnacle Bill Bavasi

May 25th, 2010
8:56 am

As stated in the AJC’s story, the biggest failure here was one of communication … everyone should have been told what was going on and why, so that it could not be misinterpreted. Also, it’d have been best for the students not to don their costumes until they got to where they were going and take them off right afterward. I hope everyone learns from this and the teacher is not fired.

Cutty

May 25th, 2010
9:00 am

She should’ve let the other students dress up as black panthers and be done…………..oh……….. they don’t teach much black history in many schools? Except for the chapter on the Emancipation Proclamation and the ‘I have a dream’ speech? Oh! Either you tell both sides of the story or neither then.

Carol P

May 25th, 2010
9:04 am

How could an intelligent teacher not anticipate the problem she could cause by escorting students dressed in full KKK outfits, without explanation, through a predominately white school? This is not a hate group that no longer exists. On 9/11, I wonder how many of these same students would be willing to try an exercise where they donned burkas and the markings of the Taliban and marched into the cafeteria at a school on a military base? How about having those same students don their KKK outfits and send them to the cafeteria at a school in South Atlanta. You want to give your class a lesson in racism, why not try that on for size??? I’m white and from the south and your actions were offensive.

V for Vendetta

May 25th, 2010
9:04 am

Eric,

I agree, but remember, it is an AP class. These students are expected to perform and be treated like college students. Would you send home a letter to college students’ parents? I think not. If they can’t handle being treated as adults, then perhaps they shouldn’t take the class.

Maureen,

It is unfortunate it has come to this. Part of me thinks we should just let them through, but I have become increasingly cynical when it comes to the South pulling out of its persisting racist tendencies. (Note: I am most definitely talking about both sides of the debate: racism goes both ways.) However, I would contend that our topics regarding homosexuality have been equally charged with hate and intolerance. Must be all the open-minded religious folks down here. :-)

Alecia

May 25th, 2010
9:05 am

A teacher that does not water down history lessons with political correctness. I can only wish that my daughter gets a teacher half as realistic,passionate, and creative in her future. What lucky students. History is filled full of unpleasant events and parents and teachers need to educated their children on this reality. The “offended” parent should have used the opportunity to educate their child.

We did a lot of re-enactments of different events in school. As long as the students are not burning crosses, making racist comments, using gas chambers, whipping students (several races in this category), I am fine. Also, the KKK does not discriminate soley against blacks. Anyone that is not WASP is their target. That includes my catholics, like myself and hispanics like my husband.

Learn the facts first

May 25th, 2010
9:06 am

@ Cutty,

Why don’t you learn a little bit about AP standards and the requirements placed on AP classes by the College Board before making ignorant, generalized statements about what you assume is being taught in schools.

Roy

May 25th, 2010
9:06 am

Great Jeez Jumpin’ Jehoshaphat! Please! The teacher was working on a school history project, get over it! That’s like making a school documentary about, say, the WW II holocaust & not allowing any SS uniforms! What the hell would you have them wear for the film? A Brooks Brothers suit!
Maybe to placate some people the teacher should’ve had them wear pants hanging below the glutes showing underwear, and they could’ve driven up in purple caprices with renta-wheels, then hosted a deadly dog fight!!! Would that be OK??

chris

May 25th, 2010
9:06 am

Not sure what to make of this kinda of teaching. Most folks would rather not talk about such an ugly part of our history. Was it racist not sure it was really. We don’t want to just shove the evils of the KKK under the rug. Our society is and can be over the top politically correct. If the point was to show the evils of the KKK, then it makes sense. I kinda doubt it was some kinda of celebration of the KKK. Moreover, this open wounds in folks, but we do have to accept the facts of history, good and bad. I understand that this is a very passionate teacher, but you gotta use some common sense in terms of how to deal with these subjects.

Eric

May 25th, 2010
9:09 am

@Wondering

Actually we are aren’t African American. That name was given to us in a sense. I have never been to African. And that isn’t my true Identity. Most Blacks are made up of multiple nationalities but to classify race in America we were given the name African American or Black American (Black: Having some indigenous African decent). I think blacks and whites in America just live two different lives and have to work together on bridging that Gap!

Keep on , we'll leave

May 25th, 2010
9:11 am

This is just another reason to go to private school and
home school. Go ahead and fire that teacher, we’ll be glad to hire her. Once again, you’ll be wondering why you’re left behind. But don’t worry, at least you won’t
be offended.

Eric

May 25th, 2010
9:14 am

@V for Vendetta

Eric,

I agree, but remember, it is an AP class. These students are expected to perform and be treated like college students. Would you send home a letter to college students’ parents? I think not. If they can’t handle being treated as adults, then perhaps they shouldn’t take the class.

That maybe true but what about the other students who were “NOT” in the AP Class and was effected by this. I understand what goes on in AP classes (meaning in the class rooms). But when you go outside the walls and may effect other you need to properly notify others that aren’t associate with the class or project! Point blank. There is no sugar coating the situation. If a police officer would of came on campus and saw this, it could of became a very ugly situation.

Scariest comment I've read yet

May 25th, 2010
9:18 am

Educator2

May 24th, 2010
10:02 pm
“The responses in support of this teacher and her “lesson” is a sad reflection of society and some people’s ability to rationalize the irrational acts of others for the sake of “history” or otherwise.”

May I suggest that as an educator you consider the famous words of George Santayana:

“Progress, far from consisting in change, depends on retentiveness. When change is absolute there remains no being to improve and no direction is set for possible improvement: and when experience is not retained, as among savages, infancy is perpetual. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”

Eric

May 25th, 2010
9:20 am

@V for Vendetta

Perfect example to answer your question. Say the class was doing a project on the Columbine School Shooting. And 4 students came dressed in the trench coats with play guns. Would that not need consent and notification? Who is that any thing different? Basically its common sense.

Learn the facts first

May 25th, 2010
9:20 am

@ Eric,

The article stated that the teacher specifically escorted the students out of the classroom due to them having the costumes on. The problem was that she forgot lunch was being served, so there would be many students instead of almost none. Don’t forget that due to overcrowding from underfunding, many schools are forced to start serving lunch well before 11am, so they can get everyone fed before school gets out.

SBinF

May 25th, 2010
9:21 am

This teacher showed EXTREMELY poor judgment. Given the sensitive nature of her assignment, she should have availed administrators AND parents, in writing, of her plans. No one’s making a big deal about the Klan outfits, it’s the teacher’s lack of forethought that is troubling. The mere fact that she couldn’t have anticipated there maybe be people who would be alarmed makes me question her methods. I’m speaking as a social studies teacher in my opinion.

Proud Ariemma Student!

May 25th, 2010
9:22 am

@nabe “How interesting that you feel obliged to target the black Cody Rider with innuendos and character besmirching descriptors while defending your teacher from the same.”

I am not one to target Cody Rider because is black. Even if he had been white I would have the same things to say. His personality has nothing to do with his race.

The fact is that because just I am southern does not mean I have become comfortable with racist comments. It is uncalled for and extremely hurtful but in this situation that was not the case.

donebananas

May 25th, 2010
9:26 am

Hoookay…some of the people posting (most, it seems) are ignoring several important facts. My understanding of the situation is the students were NOT “marching through the school” or “re-enacting Klan activities” — they were walking FROM the classroom to ANOTHER part of the school (presumably an unoccupied part) to film additional footage for their group project. The costumes were difficult to remove, so the teacher allowed them to stay in costume (mistake, undoubtedly) while they went to their destination.

The STUDENTS were responsible for the project idea, costuming, etc. They were creating a video project about racism (not just the Klan, from what I understand). The teacher did not suggest or provide the outfits. She did not parade them through the school as some type of ‘re-enactment’.

Did she make an error in judgement? Definitely. Should there be consequences? Yes — but to fire so obviously talented a teacher would be a greater mistake and tragedy. She could have had the student’s remove the costumes, told them to film after school or at another location, or notified administration about what they were going to do. Hindsight is 20/20 — you can bet she will never make that mistake again.

Although I cannot truly understand the impact of seeing 4 ‘Klansmen’ walking through the halls in my school, it is easy to imagine it must have been unexpected, shocking, and distressing on many levels. As a caucasian, I have to accept that I cannot tell anyone of another race how to feel about what happened. In this case, the teacher seems sincerely apologetic, the intent of the project was clearly to identify the problems and tragedy of racism, and a consequence resulting from poor judgement is being considered. What else needs to be done?

Proud Ariemma Student!

May 25th, 2010
9:26 am

*just because

GimmeABreakAlready

May 25th, 2010
9:26 am

“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”
- George Santayana

So what we are saying here is…we cannot reenact historical events as a teaching tool because it may offend individuals? In my humble opinion, I cannot think of a better teaching tool than reenactment as it puts history in the face of the students and draws out the real emotions which can lead to great discussion and thinking. We need to open the minds of our youth as opposed to trying to suppress critical thinking.

If we as a whole could open our minds and learn about the past – we can get past offenses our ancestors may have committed (slavery). I cannot help what my ancestors did a hundred years ago, just as you (collectively) cannot control what your ancestors did.

As my quote above eludes to…if we cannot learn, discuss, free ourselves from history, we are going to repeat it. OPEN YOUR MINDS!

In these times, we need to come together and act as one and get over the past. I get extremely upset when individuals like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson start spewing racism and the past and how “the black man is being held down”. While I admit, there are still racist among us, I feel that is the minority and in many cases, blacks are trying to live in the past. Let’s fast forward to present day, open ALL of our minds and come together to support each other.

While I am sure this post may offend some close minded individuals, the intent is to plead for people to think for themselves, open their minds and come together.

“The whole is greater than the sum of its parts.”

Eric

May 25th, 2010
9:28 am

@Carol P

Well Said! I have nothing wrong with the project just notify the appropriate people to help not cause alarm.

Eric

May 25th, 2010
9:32 am

Learn the facts first

You simply don’t get it. I don’t care if nobody was in the lunch room. There still is a chance someone passing class seeing this. It maybe history but it still goes on to this day! You still have people dressing up in white robes to this day. Notify someone! When you assume you make an ass out of you! Im sure you’ve heard that before. Like i said before please use common sense.

Proud Black Man

May 25th, 2010
9:37 am

A classic example of not being able to see the forest for the trees in the way. I’m finished.

Cammi317

May 25th, 2010
9:41 am

I am African American and I have nothing against the reenactment. HOWEVER, I do believe that it should have been announced to the student body that this reenactment was going to take place and it would have alleviated the “shock factor” and reactions.

George Santayana

May 25th, 2010
9:42 am

“Progress, far from consisting in change, depends on retentiveness. When change is absolute there remains no being to improve and no direction is set for possible improvement: and when experience is not retained, as among savages, infancy is perpetual. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”

Gram

May 25th, 2010
9:42 am

This is history…and no matter how hard you try to, you cannot CHANGE history. It’s not like they were looking to lynch someone…it was to show the history behind the KKK. Quit taking everything so personally. It wasn’t meant to hurt anyone. It was meant as a teaching aid.

Teach

May 25th, 2010
9:43 am

Did this really hamper other students learning? Were there there African-American students hiding in the classrooms afraid to go into the hallway because they had seen these costumes? If the teacher was doing a piece on a Black Panthers demonstration would we have gotten the same reaction?

Yes the teacher should have used judgment, ran the idea by the principal or the dept head, or even said if you want to do this you need to film it off of school ground. but should this person really lose their job over trying to be a good teacher? absolutely not

Ric

May 25th, 2010
9:50 am

Its’ HISTORY! Grow up and accept it. Stop trying to change it! Like it or not! Would the wearing of BURKAS be okay?

David

May 25th, 2010
9:51 am

To not discuss the reality of the Klan in American History is like the Germans denying that the Holocost ever happened. It wasn’t pretty, it wasn’t right, but it happened and history cannot be changed. Learn about it, learn from it so it doesn’t happen again

Ric

May 25th, 2010
9:54 am

This should be more SHOCKING than a KKK reenactment!

Global markets tumbled Tuesday, with Korean stocks falling after a group said Kim Jong-il ordered the North Korean military to be ready for combat. Political tensions between North and South Korea have risen since a team of international investigators concluded that Pyongyang was to blame for the deadly sinking of a South Korean naval warship in March. The Nikkei Stock Average dropped 3.1% in Tokyo and the Kospi lost 2.75% in Seoul.

angryindahlonega

May 25th, 2010
9:56 am

I agree with proud ariemma student. Cody and his Mom overreacted to the simple act of students walking by a lunchroom. Maybe they need 15 minutes of fame, but Lumpkin County does not. This is a over-reaction to a Apush class project that has been used for years without conflict. Let’s see all the class projects from these smart students. Then let’s see what Cody can produce alone with his and his Mom’s smarts.

Bad Karma

May 25th, 2010
9:56 am

The planning and communication was not so good, but the teacher did evoke a response and that is proof then and there of what a white sheet and a cone head will do.These kids never experienced the presence of a Klansmen. Enough of the rightous indidnation, intolerance is responding to everything we do not like. Let it go, let the teacher do her job and stop all the mellow drama as it does not appear to be a situation to intentionally hurt anyone. Let’s deal with the real issues. This is not one of them.

Learn the facts first

May 25th, 2010
9:59 am

@ Eric,

You are right. I don’t get your logic. She escorted the students from one area of the school to another so she would be present to explain the situation to someone if the need arose. We have no idea why they were needing to go to another part of the school or whether this move through the school was even expected so she could have notified someone in advance. You are assuming things about this situation as well.

Also, “I don’t care if nobody” is a double negative. It should be, “I don’t care if anybody.” Using proper grammar may help people to take your arguments more seriously.

Joe

May 25th, 2010
10:10 am

MOST HUMANS ARE VERMIN

KKK Mentality

May 25th, 2010
10:13 am

The teacher needs to be FIRED. Period!

Saul Good

May 25th, 2010
10:18 am

The “fact” is… the KKK is still alive and well in both Lumpkin and Dawson Counties (as well as many other No. GA Counties)… I’ve even seen literature from them taped up to soda machines outside of the Kroger in Dawsonville…condemning the “Jew” owners of MTV (errr…REALLY?) that have programming showing African Americans (they used the “N” word) “mixing with our pure white daughters”… so YES this type of behavior in North Georgia needs to be addressed and stomped out once and for all. Trust me…there are children of Klan members who attend that school… they need to be taught how WRONG it is to tolerate racial, religious, and sexual divisions.

get over yourself

May 25th, 2010
10:18 am

four all tha gramer nit-piking winers, pleese get ovur yourselfs. this hear is a blog not tha hervard law reevyiew. And yes I can spell, just didn’t feel like it so save your corrections for your kids homework!

Vernie31

May 25th, 2010
10:22 am

This was plain ole southern TERRORISM in its simplest form. This was a staged event planned by the teacher and with full support and authorization by the parents of these students to carefully and with malice to frighten and threaten all Minorities in the surrounding area and across this country. The students were used as a cover to provide plausible denial if challenged. Most will say there is no harm with a wink and a smile. However, we must remind this group of the population that this type of despicable behavior will never be tolerated ever again not in our communities and certainly not in
our schools. Time has come for us to see the gathering storm and prepare for a long hot summer of our discontent. This Principal should be fired as well for not managing this offensive decision by this rogue teacher. Demand this action for your children.

Saul Good

May 25th, 2010
10:22 am

Just look at this:
http://www.ajc.com/news/north-fulton/alpharetta-votes-down-islamic-534477.html

If this was a MEGA church wanting to expand to 100,000 sq. ft….it would have been approved. Look how many mega churches there are on both small and large roads in and around No. Fulton… this too is racism showing it’s ugly head. A board made up of “only white, christian” members voted. Sad how much intolerance and hate towards others still subsides in the South. I truly hope the attorney representing them is successful.

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angryindahlonega

May 25th, 2010
10:25 am

The project was about racism. Not white vs. black. It included all forms of racism. My daughter was part of the project and she is part Japanese. It is also difficult to learn about what was done to to the Japanese-Americans in WWII, but a necessary lesson. They were born and raised in America, worked hard, even had southern accents;
Cody needs to speak out about his misrepresentation of the events; apologise to the teacher and Lumpkin county.

John

May 25th, 2010
10:26 am

This whole assignment was to show the evils of racism. The teacher and the students did nothing wrong. The principal who disciplined this teacher needs to be out of a job for showing his ignorance. Those who opposed this assignment are the ones who need to grow up, realize that this was designed to teach the very thing that they want taught, i.e., the evils and wrongs of racism, and need to realize that the teacher was putting into practice the very things students must learn so we won’t go back to those times. Anybody who thinks this is wrong is shopwing their ignorance.

V for Vendetta

May 25th, 2010
10:26 am

Eric and Cammi,

I would argue that a widespread notification would have caused more harm than good. I think she did the right thing by acting as an escort to the class. I seriously doubt any of these precious, delicate high school students actually thought the KKK was marching through their school.

Seriously, how much do we want to protect our “little angels” from? American has some F-ed up stuff in her past–so do many other countries (ahem, Germany?). We shouldn’t cover it up; we should LEARN FROM IT. Isn’t there a saying about people who don’t learn from History . . . ?

I stand by my argument that this is a big, old mountain being made out of a molehill.

Mum

May 25th, 2010
10:28 am

Let’s not jump on this teacher until we know ALL the details. I can see that the teacher dropped the ball by not informing parents ahead of time, but I can’t say that she should lose her job for trying to to reach her students in a way that they understand, plus she did it in school. I’d have a problem if she HAD filmed it away from school because that would look like she was truly hiding something. Heavens, kids today aren’t as innocent and delicate as many parents seem to think they are.

The problem with some of the comments here is that we all know some things can’t be fully understood by just repeating words, but by experience it. Talk to someone who went to Dialogue in the Dark. I believe that anyone who grows up in a white society can pretty much understand what it feels like to be white, but you cannot understand what it feels like to be black, latino, asian, because your appearance identifies you, so you have to look the part to feel the part.

I had a teacher who lived through WWII, and although we read about it, it all came to life when he described to us what it was like to actually hide from and fight the Nazi’s, what he saw when they liberated Auchwitz, etc., you have no idea how real it all became to us and made us want to know more. There are many black kids out there who have no idea what horror their grandparents went through, many white people who don’t want to remember what their grandparents did, but it all happened not so long ago, and there are those out there who want to celebrate that time, so why not show what it really was like. You forget that these people are still out there, younger, but they’re still there, Nazi’s and KKK. Kids today are innoculated from the truth of history, and we are going steadily down the road of repitition, because we don’t want to take the time to confront our past.

V for Vendetta

May 25th, 2010
10:28 am

Vernie,

You’re obviously a moron, and I don’t use that term lightly.

Saul,

It’s nice to have another person who values reason, logic, and individual rights on this blog. Please stick around.

Proud White Man

May 25th, 2010
10:32 am

No comment here. Except that if you consider my name racist, is my black counterpart’s name also?

Batgirl

May 25th, 2010
10:33 am

Many of you make really good points, mostly about the need to let others know about the project, but I am really concerned that people are so offended by a teacher leading a group through the school building. I can’t believe that students would think that a teacher with Mrs. Ariemma’s reputation would be associated with actual klan members. If kids can’t handle something as benign as this, how would they handle the horror of the real KKK, Nazis, Khmer Rouge, etc.?

Maureen, I am really sorry that you have to read stuff that is even more offensive than what some posters that you allow through say. I think I would be sick.

T.C

May 25th, 2010
10:33 am

When you talk about the kkk,its more than just history of hatred you have blacks that died(murdered)because of there skin color.Also you have familys who love ones was apart of that death tole.When you loose a love one that was murdered from hatred ect…everytime history(murder)presents itself,sad,anger ect..resurface.its easy to go along with something you have not esperienced as a person or a race and think its nothing.The question ???? is why do you not let the school as a whole(school officials,students)know about the filming and do it anyway? could it be it would have been shut down or you(Catherine ariemma)just didn’t care? if it was just history a black student could have been under one of those white sheets being a part of the project.Why not? people would not have known who was under the sheet anyway if they were just posing as the klan.

Saul Good

May 25th, 2010
10:33 am

Bad Karma… no… these kids in Lumpkin County HAVE been exposed to the Klan… they are alive and well here in Lumpkin County and they post literature all around. If I’ve found it…trust me…so have they.

DB

May 25th, 2010
10:34 am

@Eric:

Why would any reasonable person assume that a lynch mob was after them if they saw four giggling kids wearing sheets and escorted by a teacher?

It’s hysterical, dramatic overreactions like this that trivialize the real issues in race relations. Cry “wolf!” too many times, and after a while, people just stop listening.

tman

May 25th, 2010
10:36 am

we as African Americans are always whining about this kind of thing. the Klan is obselete, we need to be protesting the sinceless crimes that plague our neighborhoods that our youth are perpetrating on each other. Our youth who have total disregard for others, walking around with their pants sagging and listening to the empty messages that rap music is sending and with no interest in an education. I saw no harm in what this teacher did, this is part of our history weather we like it or not. accept it.

DB

May 25th, 2010
10:38 am

@Vernie: You forgot your meds this morning — your persecution complex is rearing its ugly head. Come back when your meds have kicked in.

Saul Good

May 25th, 2010
10:38 am

Proud White Man…it depends upon your “actions” and NOT your name. If you put black people into a “box” and simply sum them up as all being the same…if you feel you are “better” compared to them BECAUSE you’re white…there lies the problem. Same goes for intolerance of Muslims, Hispanics, Jews, and all others that are minorities.

So…it comes down to this…do you feel you are “better” then them as a “Proud White Man” and being born white? Do you feel “better” being born a christian compared to Muslims?

Dan

May 25th, 2010
10:41 am

Political correctness itself has become as racist and divisive as any other american social phenomemom. This should be a non-issue, the moronic complaints about it simply perpetuate the problems. Next thing you know Al and Jesse (talk about racists) will be here mugging for the cameras

come on now

May 25th, 2010
10:42 am

i mean we are talking Lumpkin county here, has anyone been there. back woods po-dunk, peckerwood, slap ya mama, kiss my grits location in the nation. guess you would have to throw in fanin and dawson in their somewhere;

i think i heard somewhere that dawson and lumpkin will not even play each other in sports; something to do with to much white trash at the same location and they are afraid a tornado will show up.

Saul Good

May 25th, 2010
10:45 am

tman…. I live in Lumpkin County…and NO…the Klan is ALIVE AND WELL up here. Same goes for Dawson County, Raburn County (home of the Klan leader of GA), Habersham County, White County (i wonder who came up with THAT name?), Pickens County, Union County, and many of the other counties up here.

Need proof?

http://www.adl.org/racist_skinheads/skinhead_map.asp

Click on GA for the names of “some” of the active groups in GA…

Saul Good

May 25th, 2010
10:50 am

tman… here ya go!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99q1vY91hpw

KLAN member from GA. Do you live on another planet? To even THINK that the KKK does not exist in GA would leave me to believe so.

So PLEASE take it BACK… and “admit” that the Klan is alive and well in GA.

Thanks!

Batgirl

May 25th, 2010
10:50 am

This teacher with a great reputation was leading a group through the school. Surely, no one really thought that she would be associated with actual klansmen. If there are kids who can’t handle this, how will they ever handle such horrors in the real world. There are plenty of people who as children were actually the recipients of violence by the KKK, Nazis, Khmer Rouge, etc. While I hope no one ever has to experience such horrors again, I suspect we might, and I wonder how our dainty little children who have never been offended or had their feelings hurt will fare.

Maureen, I am truly sorry that you have to read comments more offensive than some of those you allow to be published.

Kirkwell

May 25th, 2010
10:51 am

I am in the history class in which this happened, and I can state confidently none of our class is racist. We were just attempting to create a film about racism, and some people overreacted before it could be stated what was going on. None of the reporters are obtaining our side of the story; we never wanted the event to escalate this way. I am frightened for our class and our teacher, who is the best teacher I have ever had. She does not deserve any of this bad publicity. And those of you who think she should be fired are horribly mistaken and do not have an accurate picture of this occurance. The fact that we wanted to portray the horror of racism should not have been taken this way. “Diversity training”? The people who are persecuting my teacher need diversity training. We will be heartbroken if she is fired. She is the best teacher at this school, and she cares so much about our education.

Proud White Man

May 25th, 2010
10:52 am

You extrapolated all that without any evidence. Prejudice works both ways. Who says where I was born? There are many whites native to Africa (South Africa, Zimbabwe). Who says I am Christian? There are many white Jews and Muslims (Balkans).

My only point is that “Proud Black Man” has every right to be proud of his heritage. As should I (which was never described) without being labeled as racist off the bat.

It is the double-standard I object to. However I admit this blog is not necessarily the one that this argument should be attached to (as it may infer an acceptance of the KKK which I do not).

Saul Good

May 25th, 2010
10:52 am

tman…here’s a RECENT one from this past February showing a KKK rally in GA:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JLjrfdstX4

Batgirl

May 25th, 2010
10:53 am

Oh, well. I give up! I am trapped in the filter.

ELVISINTHEHOUSE.

May 25th, 2010
10:54 am

Aww come down white people its just things in 2010 that white folks can’t do anymore.This aint the 1800’s and early 1900’s.That school teacher should have showed a filming of the kkk or was it too violent to watch men in white sheets killing blacks because of there skin color.Remember this,if it(kkk murders)never happened to you your family your children ect…then its not going to faze you.

Saul Good

May 25th, 2010
10:55 am

Proud “WHITE” Man…. let me ask you this…if you had a daughter (maybe you do)…
and she brought home an African American gentleman…or a Muslim Gentlemen… and said she was in love with him and wants to marry him…would YOU give her your blessings?

Would you walk her down the isle and hand her over to an African American or a Muslim born in Iran to be her husband?

Truth be told in your answer.

come on now

May 25th, 2010
10:56 am

saul

old jewish saying

you can get some sheep to drink deeply from the well of knowledge, but sometimes you can’t get an ass to take a sip

Kirkwell

May 25th, 2010
10:57 am

I am in the history class in which this happened, and I can state confidently none of our class is racist. We were just attempting to create a film about racism, and some people overreacted before it could be stated what was going on. None of the reporters are obtaining our side of the story; we never wanted the event to escalate this way. I am frightened for our class and our teacher, who is the best teacher I have ever had. She does not deserve any of this bad publicity. And those of you who think she should be fired are horribly mistaken and do not have an accurate picture of this occurance. The fact that we wanted to portray the horror of racism should not have been taken this way. “Diversity training”? The people who are persecuting my teacher need diversity training. We will be heartbroken if she is fired.

Kirkwell

May 25th, 2010
11:02 am

I am in the history class in which this happened, and I can state confidently none of our class is racist. We were just attempting to create a film about racism, and some people overreacted before it could be stated what was going on. None of the reporters are obtaining our side of the story; we never wanted the event to escalate this way. I am frightened for our class and our teacher, who is the best teacher I have ever had. She does not deserve any of this bad publicity. And those of you who think she should be fired are horribly mistaken and do not have an accurate picture of this occurance. The fact that we wanted to portray the horror of racism should not have been taken this way. “Diversity training”? The people who are persecuting my teacher need diversity training.

Audrey in Georgia

May 25th, 2010
11:05 am

Fire the teacher and the principal today!!!

A good teacher should re-enact positive things in history to influence positive thinking in students.

A bad teacher will re-enact negative things in history to influence negative thinking in students.

Proud White Man

May 25th, 2010
11:10 am

Truth:

I would not.

Nor would I be surprised if it were denied from my child’s potential in-laws.

Call that racist if you will, but I honestly believe that you can interact in peace and goodwill with others of different faiths/ colors/ nationality etc, and be opposed to intermarrying. I believe that creates many, many more problems for a marriage and children. Marriage and children are hard enough.

So, if that is racist, then racist I am.

P.S. Again, when did I give my religion?

Warrior Woman

May 25th, 2010
11:17 am

This appears to be a case of a good teacher creating relevant learning assignments, and getting in trouble because some brat has a racist chip on his shoulder. The school should stand behind the teacher.

Katharine

May 25th, 2010
11:19 am

I’m the mother of a LCHS frehman. My son is biracial and happened to be in the cafeteria the day this incident took place. I want people to stop focusing on this one thing and look at the underlying problems in this county. Why did so many people cheer and/or laugh when the students walked through the cafeteria. Why has my son had to hear people call him a half breed that needs to go back where he came from because there’s no cotton for him to pick. Why does he have to listen to oher students say he’s going to wake up to a cross burning in his yard. He has dealt with this for 4 years now (it started in middle school), yet no one has punished the students doing this to him. He stands up to those students and he gets in trouble for harrassing them. He does feel threatened. And not one adult will do anything about it. The problem is not this assignment, it is the racism that those students, like my son, encounter on a daily basis. When you see racism and you do nothing about it, you ARE just as guilty as the ones spewing the hate.

me

May 25th, 2010
11:20 am

I am saddened by the way the Superintendent is throwing the teacher under the bus on this. Shameful

Warrior Woman

May 25th, 2010
11:26 am

Do we know that the administration wasn’t notified? That’s not clear from any of the reporting on this.

vader

May 25th, 2010
11:27 am

Let’s be serious about this! Reenactment has its places, depending on the what is being reenacted. If the teacher allowed students to dress up in black trench coats, black masks, and toting paper made guns, while walking through the cafeteria, would we say this alright?

Wait, isn’t this part of our history (Columbine/Virginia Tech)? Yes, but most if not all would find this offensive and not proper.

Also, what purpose was this really serving? This is the last week of school in some places, and final grades are basically complete, so what real purpose is this serving? Why was it done the towards the end of school?

Despite the answers that the teacher gives us, she only knows the true purpose behind her actions. Lastly, even if we accept her statement as the true purpose, is her judgment and common sense no greater than this?

Proud White Man

May 25th, 2010
11:28 am

But first you must define “racist”. Racism in my viewpoint means the inherent superiority of one race over all others. That is not the argument I base my opposition to intermarrying on. I base it on my perception that marriage between races brings on many, many more problems (real and / or perceived) to it than would be there otherwise. All races have every right to retain their uniqueness and identity. If life were colorblind, then sure, intermarry away. But reality is not colorblind (all races are to blame for this), therefore I advise against it and would not give my blessing.

At any rate, I opened up this Q&A and it is not relevant to this blog. Therefore, you have my answer and I will refrain.

come on now

May 25th, 2010
11:29 am

OMG, the racitst have really come out of the “WOODS” on this one. 2010, do YALL know we got us a black man livin in the white house. Hell, he aint even American and he got in there somehow. Lets throw some sheets on and walk up and down a school hallway. We won’t mean anything by it just trying to learn about history. While we are at it why not hang a black mannequin out in front of the school at the flag pole or nearest tree.

Testimony

May 25th, 2010
11:30 am

So what. Dahlonega is a toilet anyway, more specifically Lake Lanier, where 60% of Dahlonega regularly defacates.

the prof

May 25th, 2010
11:33 am

PBM, please be finished for good….

Maureen Downey

May 25th, 2010
11:36 am

@Katherine. If this is happening and the school is not acting, I would strongly urge you to go to the board of education in Lumpkin County. I would have to believe that most parents would be mortified at this conduct.
Maureen

Son of an Educator

May 25th, 2010
11:36 am

Any of you folks ever watch (Dave) Chappel’s show when it ran on Comedy Central? One of, if not his most brilliant bits involved an blind African-American KKK member and all-around racist, named Nathan Bigsby. Nathan HATED colored people, and was venerated by the white supremicist community. Because Bigsby was blind (IGNORANT) he didn’t even realize he was black, and because he never appeared in public sans his KKK hood and robe, the racists and bigots who worshipped him demonstrated the ignorance of racism. I would not speak for Chappel, but my guess is, he was “teaching” us that all racists (even black ones) are blind (IGNORANT). To confirm this, there is a scene in which the pick-up truck (stereotype) driving Bigsby to a KKK meeting pulls up to a red light adjacent to a carload of white kids with sideways caps, baggy pants, and listening to rap music. Bigsby screams; “…I hate N******S!” and one of the kids in the car high fives his friend, saying; “…did you hear that? He called us N******S! Awesome!” Now I know Comedy Central’s standards are different than those of the Lumpkin County B of Ed or the AP History program, but The KKK is no more “alive and well” than the African American male who shot and killed an adult African American – intended target, and an African-American teenager (caught in crossfire) last night in SW Atlanta.

come on now

May 25th, 2010
11:39 am

intermarrying leads to genetically superior offspring. Obama comes to mind; you may not like him but the man is very intelligent. The african-american that has desented from the original slaves have intermarried and/or produced superior offspring. Look at the persons living in Africa now; now look at the African-American living in the US. Think about the college and pro athletes in all sports. Todays athletes are bigger, faster, stronger because a blending of the races leads to more genetic diversity.

Proud Black Man

May 25th, 2010
11:44 am

@ Vader

“Let’s be serious about this! Reenactment has its places, depending on the what is being reenacted. If the teacher allowed students to dress up in black trench coats, black masks, and toting paper made guns, while walking through the cafeteria, would we say this alright?

Wait, isn’t this part of our history (Columbine/Virginia Tech)? Yes, but most if not all would find this offensive and not proper.”

AND

the question no one is asking:

“Also, what purpose was this really serving? This is the last week of school in some places, and final grades are basically complete, so what real purpose is this serving? Why was it done the towards the end of school?”

WHICH answers the question:

“…even if we accept her statement as the true purpose, is her judgment and common sense no greater than this?”

From a STAR teacher no less. Sheesh!

Son of an Educator

May 25th, 2010
11:48 am

Katherine, by your account – students cheering and disparaging comments made to your child – this really has nothing to do with the AP History teacher. Would you prefer some sort of Orwellian school where ALL students must think and act per the directives of the Board of Education? As MD points out, if there is a covert (or overt) culture of racism at LCHS how is punishing the teacher who helped to expose it going to improve things? I grew up in a big Northern city. I am Italian-American and when I wasn’t hearing “greasy WOP” jokes as a kid, I was hearing “Hispanic” jokes from the classmates who thought I was “Puerto Rican”. You need to spend more time building your child’s self-esteem as it relates to being (whatever the heck) mixed race, and less time trying to control the thoughts and behaviors of a group of high school students.

Saul Good

May 25th, 2010
11:56 am

Proud White Man…

That’s TRULY sad… that YOU do not believe that races can MIX. WHY?! I can only sum this up that you believe that YOUR race is “better” compared to any other race…

…and with regards to religion…no, I do not know yours…and it obviously does not matter…but you basically stated that you would NOT want your daughter to marry one of ANOTHER religion (whatever they may be).

Let me ask of you this simple question. Do you believe that “mixing” of different races and religions will make this world we spin upon WORSE in any way? Because it seems to me that by NOT mixing…by continually “dividing” other “humans” into categories… that THAT in itself is why we have wars.

Borders were “created” by MAN (humans) to “limit” them…. Religions were too “created” by MAN (humans) to “limit” them… to basically “divide” other humans into classes: Rich, Poor, Black, White, Hindu, Jewish, Catholic, Christian, Hispanic…. and what GOOD has any of this “division” done for humanity? All it has done is create wars, death, division, and NOTHING good for all of us spinning upon this globe. Not ONE good thing has happened throughout history because of the divisions that race and religion bring…

Race…we ARE born into that and can never change it…RELIGION? It was created by “humans”…ALL of them were…and it causes even educated and rational humans to be “irrational”… to “divide” people into little boxes… to think that THEIR religion is the ONLY true one…even though throughout history many religions have been created by humans…just like the one YOU may believe in. Christian or not…YOUR religion was “created” by other humans and it frowns upon ALL other human created religions.

What GOOD has any of that done for humanity? WHO has it ever “saved” in the end?

Proud Black Man

May 25th, 2010
11:57 am

“You need to spend more time building your child’s self-esteem as it relates to being (whatever the heck) mixed race, and less time trying to control the thoughts and behaviors of a group of high school students.”

Tea (insert the name that cannot be mentioned) sure like to patronize people don’t they?

Proud Black Man

May 25th, 2010
12:02 pm

Teaching in FL is worse

May 25th, 2010
12:05 pm

If this teacher’s intentions were to truly teach about hate, I applaud her. It sounds like she made some errors in judgement, which she will ultimately pay for. (one of them being too trusting of her students.)

I truly pity those whose goal in life is to make the world better for our students and are crucified for it. When I look back on the first years of my teaching career, I can only thank the lord some of the things I did didn’t blow up in my face.

People in glass houses…..

Teaching in FL is worse

May 25th, 2010
12:05 pm

gefilter fish me out, please

New School

May 25th, 2010
12:16 pm

What a bunch of whiney crybabies! Did anyone really think the klan was at the school? No. The mad kid who wanted to start swinging was just looking for a fight. Bill Nigut is nothing more than a wannabe Jesse Jackson for his “group”.
We have some over sensitive paranoids that are determining what we can and can’t see. Give me a break!

Roland

May 25th, 2010
12:20 pm

Learn history so it won’t happen again?!!!!!!!

Are you guys crazy?!!! This is is no way similar to doing a project on the Nazis because for the most part they don’t exist in our universe. The KKK probably has a office right NOW in Lumpkin County. Members of the KKK send death threats to OUR President every day. How is this history. Why should the students be allowed to walk around the school dress liked that? No sense at all.

jules

May 25th, 2010
12:20 pm

PBM,a stop playing the victim and you are the biggest bitter raciest I have read on here.. shame on you.. let go of the hate and stop being so bitter.. it would not kill you to learn the other side of the history. IT HAPPENED and it does not matter if you want to sweep it under the rug or not!

Uhm

May 25th, 2010
12:21 pm

From what I’ve read, this is considered an “AP Class” and apparently an “AP Class” doesn’t have to follow the same standards of decency that other classes in my taxpayer funded schools have to. So the real solution is to just eliminate these “AP Classes” from our public institutions. This would have never happened in a regular history class.

I feel sorry for the students that were forever affected by this “AP Class” that shouldn’t even be in our schools. Some of them posted here and their responses were horrifying. I weep for our future.

jules

May 25th, 2010
12:21 pm

Roland should we not learn about the Holocaust?

Saul Good

May 25th, 2010
12:25 pm

Jules… yeah we should… but should we send kids into school dressed as Nazis to teach them about it?

New School

May 25th, 2010
12:25 pm

Uhm, pull up your big girl panties and quit weeping. Nobody was forever affected except the teacher.
Bad things happened in the world – let’s learn about them.

jules

May 25th, 2010
12:25 pm

Uhm an AP class is an advanced class and the kids in there are smarter than the average Joe, this has nothing about no morals

jules

May 25th, 2010
12:26 pm

Saul have you ever been to a school play for a history class? its a damn costume get over it

Uhm

May 25th, 2010
12:28 pm

I’m basing my comments based on the actions of these “Advanced” and “Superior” students. If that is how an “Advanced” and “Superior” student thinks, I am all for eliminating the problem (”AP Classes”) from the curriculum I pay for. I do not pay to have certain students treated more superior than others. I’m all about equal treatment.

jules

May 25th, 2010
12:35 pm

Uhm you are for the dumbing down of america right?

Ezra

May 25th, 2010
12:36 pm

The problem is that a student already in trouble for bad behavior wanted to use the Klan to start more trouble. What is the difference? I know you like the bad student but hate the Klan. I really do not see you hating muslims like you do the Klan but hey muslims have killed alot more citizens. The Klan has the right to exist and the freedom of speech. Remember the black panthers standing in front of a voting booth with clubs in their hands. You know Eric Holder said he was not going to prosecute. Justice huh!

A

May 25th, 2010
12:37 pm

That teacher is an idiot. The KKK is a hate group that everyone in Georgia is aware of. It’s much better to let them languish. I don’t know that the teacher was being intentionally racist but she certainly has profoundly unsound judgement. She would do well in Arizona.
Last post.

Uhm

May 25th, 2010
12:38 pm

Jules I am for equality in publicly funded institutions. “AP Classes” definitely are not about equality by the definition that everyone gives in this blog. If you want to be “superior” then pony up the tuition for a segregated private school, but don’t be superior on my tax dollars.

Angela

May 25th, 2010
12:40 pm

@Poor (Proud) Black Man,

You have so much inner hate. Perhaps this blog is the only thing you have in your life. It appears that you have no friends, no positive family involvement, or anything else. You keep up with this tea (insert the name) well I guess I must be the dumbest under the sun. You cannot speak out even when you have nothing to say. WATCH THAT BLOOD PRESSURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! XOXO

street smart

May 25th, 2010
12:40 pm

NABE when youre right youre right. The teacher responsible should have been more sensitive to the facts you bring up in your blog. However, as horrific and ignorant the kkk are they were and are a part of American history, the worst part. That part of our nations history serves America as how far we have come and how far we still need to go to be worthy of the title of “Land of Liberty”. I think that is what the teacher s intentions were. There is no reason anyone should be terrorized or harrassed because they are a color. Please know sir that there are many white people ( I am one ) that hold the KKK in as much contempt as you do. Right is right and wrong is wrong. Peace brother.

Saul Good

May 25th, 2010
12:43 pm

Ezra…how many people have “christians” killed in history?

jules

May 25th, 2010
12:43 pm

I will probably be shot for this but I put the Masons in the same boat as the KKK and I do know the enter workings….. I have read the papers.. I have read the 3rd degree….

jules

May 25th, 2010
12:44 pm

Uhm I am not being superior at all I just have a brain it happened and it needs to be looked at YOU cant sweep it under the rug…..

jules

May 25th, 2010
12:45 pm

Saul do you remember Jim Jones?

Proud White Man

May 25th, 2010
12:45 pm

Saul,

I happen to agree 100% that our divisions do us more harm than good. However, to achieve this utopia would require mixing on an enormous scale and in lightspeed, and with population numbers as they are, not realistic. Also, when would conflict cease? There would always be those just slightly darker, some slightly lighter. I see no end to conflict even if all races were the same. As far as my race goes, I see it not as “better”, but as “different” or “unique”. I do not begrudge someone of Chinese ancestry their fascinatingly unique culture and history nor someone of African, Icelandic, or any other descent. I happen to be different than those and wish to celebrate my culture and history no less than they.

To illustrate, many here have invoked that President Obama is a great case for racial mixing. To me, I see it as its perfect example of why not to mix. He is claimed as the first black president. I disagree. To me he is the first half-white, half-black president. If he is indeed the first black president, where did half of his DNA go? His “white” half is completely eradicated. It may or may not be to him, but it is in perception and both sides try to claim him (some with more success). That is precisely the point. I want my children and grandchildren in my culture and history, not that of another’s. And one will surely dominate how they view the world and how they are viewed. One can say that they will celebrate or view them equally but I do not agree that this is possible. So again, not a question of whether or not my race is/ is not better, but to which one my offspring wilI adhere and be classified. I want them in the one I am, know, and can relate to.

No hate or superiority complex here, just selfishness. I think most here are guily of that.

New School

May 25th, 2010
12:46 pm

Uhm, let’s do some simple math. Say you have 150 students of varying levels of intelligence/skill/book learning/whatever. Let’s assume about 20 are dumb as a box of rocks, 100 are just about average, and 30 are above average. You need about 30 students per class so how do you break them up? Just scatter them amoung all 5 classes? How about 4 classes of “average” students and 1 class of AP students? No extra cost to you since you are paying so much school tax. Make sense now?

Smart Yankee

May 25th, 2010
12:48 pm

It just figures, people were “offended”, by the history class. Get over it morons. By ignoring something, doesn’t mean that it has not happened. The Lumkin Bumpkins, were only trying to make a class lession more interesting. Apparently, it has worked. Hopefully, the teacher can keep her job, or move out of the “special ed” school, she now teaches at. Did I “offend” anyone? I hope so.

Saul Good

May 25th, 2010
12:48 pm

Ezra… should the teacher have put on a “play” showing the Crusades? How about the Inquisition? I guess THOSE “christians” didn’t kill any muslims or jews…right?

How about we put on a play that shows “witches” being burned by “christians”… because to be honest… I’m curious here… how many people have been “murdered” because of the christian cult? Does one cult WIN over another based upon “how many they murdered”??? Seems to me that christianity is right up there with murdering other “citizens”…all in the name of YOUR religion.

jules

May 25th, 2010
12:49 pm

There is also that DUMBASS teacher in Cobb that wants to teach by rap music!

jules

May 25th, 2010
12:51 pm

PBM the only way we are going to get this utopia that you want is to have ignorant victims that did not have this happen to lose the poor me card…

Saul Good

May 25th, 2010
12:52 pm

Proud…do you believe in Adam and Eve being the ones that “started” humanity? That THEY were created by YOUR god (as opposed to all other human created gods)? If so…how did all of these other races start to begin with anyway? Of COURSE “evolution” can NOT be part of your answer…. (because species NEVER “CHANGE” over time)….

New School

May 25th, 2010
12:53 pm

Sorry Jules, I’m afraid that ain’t gonna happen. I hear you get 20 poor me cards in every deck of race cards. :->

Uhm

May 25th, 2010
12:54 pm

New School, I would break them all up among 5 classes and give everyone the same opportunity to learn the same things. That’s called equality. That way the 30 “superior” kids will learn the same things that the other 120 kids are learning and not be subjected to foolish antics like this teacher in Dahlonega. Make sense now?

jules

May 25th, 2010
12:56 pm

NS yea you do and I am just so sick of it I wanna puke… it does no good. its so much better to be a survivor to be a victim… and here is the kicker “THOSE” are the ones that feel entitled…. (them saying) My great granny was a slave so I am going to hate the rest of the white community for the rest of my life.. it does not matter if someone of that color helped me or not.. I am still going to be a damn child and hate them

Uhm

May 25th, 2010
12:56 pm

And also, if these “superior” kids are so bright, if they are learning alongside the “lesser” kids then maybe they can help them and everyone can have the same opportunity to be good students. Wouldn’t that be great? Why segregate?

ATL

May 25th, 2010
12:58 pm

I’m sorry I’m Black, and yes kkk is history and also today. Slavery is history too, we all have taken history in school or read about it. We as black people take things to far sometimes and then it get out of hand. Give this teacher a chance why don’t some of you BLACK PARENTS SIT IN ON HER CLASS WHILE SHE’S TEACHING AND SEE WHAT YOU CAN AND WILL LEARN.

Those students need that teacher, I belive shes a good teacher. We as blacks need to be more EDUCATED.

A

May 25th, 2010
12:58 pm

God has killed exactly 33,041,220. And is real Old Testament.
Death by Christians is too big to add up in the time I’ve got.
Go to: http://exchristian.net/exchristian/2002/10/how-many-people-have-been-killed-by.php
No totals but worth the read.
Really last post.

jules

May 25th, 2010
12:59 pm

UHM not ever one is the same.. get the heck over it.. some are meant to be presidents, some are suppose to be CEO, some are suppose to be the ones that pick up the trash…..

Where YOU in that CLASS, Are you that teacher, do you know exactly what was in her heart when she was trying to teach this class?

New School

May 25th, 2010
12:59 pm

Uhm, no sense at all. Your method is called “the lowest common denominator”.
They essentially learn the same “things” but your method really holds back the brighter students. Wait, are you joking with me? No way can you not understand this.

jules

May 25th, 2010
12:59 pm

Uhm

May 25th, 2010
1:02 pm

No, I was not in that class. I am apparently not “superior” enough to be admitted to that part of my taxpayer funded public school system. However, it doesn’t matter what the teacher had in her heart when she was trying to teach. What matters is what she taught, and it is not something that I believe should be a part of public schools. What was posted earlier was that what she was doing was okay by “AP Class” standards, even though it wasn’t based on Georgia Public School standards. This is why I would like to remove “AP Classes” from the public schools. Go to a segregated private school if you want that, and have mommy and daddy pony up the tuition.

What the kids learned was that it’s okay to be racist if your teacher says so. That might not have been what the teacher had in her heart, but that was the result. That’s not the lesson I want taught with my money, and I’m sad to hear that you think it is. I weep, again, for our future.

jules

May 25th, 2010
1:04 pm

Jesus Uhm, lets see why that wont work.. the smarter kids get bored and the slower kids get frustrated…..

Uhm

May 25th, 2010
1:04 pm

New School, if the “superior” students think they are too good for the schools my money is paying for, then I have absolutely zero problem with their mommy and daddy ponying up the cash for them to go to a segregated school geared towards them. No way you can not understand this.

New School

May 25th, 2010
1:06 pm

Uhm, you’re losing me. Being racist is now determined by the costume you might put on for a school class function? Wow, I thought it might be more of how you act, talk, think and treat people.

Saul Good

May 25th, 2010
1:06 pm

Proud…thanks for your post… I appreciate the effort. History has shown us that there is (and will always be division) among races and nationalities…. but ONLY when there are those that do NOT see another “human”… they see skin color. We are ALL humans. Not ONE of us of ANY color is “better” compared to another… We can NOT change the color of our skin…but we CAN change the “brainwashing” of children that takes place because of religion.

Just imagine… if just a moment…that NO children born from today on were told ANYTHING of the “cults” and “religions” of the world… can you argue that it would NOT bring more peace in the world? If those being born right now in Saudi Arabia, Iran, India, United States, France, Russia, etc…. were NEVER taught a religion…that this world MIGHT just be a bit more peaceful?

New School

May 25th, 2010
1:07 pm

Uhm, you were never in an AP class, were you?

jules

May 25th, 2010
1:10 pm

Good Lord Uhm you are the one that needs to home school your child that way they can be just as narrow minded as you are… I weep for our future on people like you…. Shit happens and we need to learn about it and from it… You cant take parts of the history and not the other.. that is just stupid….

I have more of an issue with girls taking nude pics of them selves and the principle gets fired over looking at her phone than I do my black child to learn about the KKK

jules

May 25th, 2010
1:11 pm

NS I doubt she was an sounds very bitter over it….

jules

May 25th, 2010
1:12 pm

you are the one that needs to home school your child that way they can be just as narrow minded as you are… I weep for our future on people like you…. Shit happens and we need to learn about it and from it… You cant take parts of the history and not the other.. that is just stupid….

I have more of an issue with girls taking nude pics of them selves and the principle gets fired over looking at her phone than I do my black child to learn about the KKK

jules

May 25th, 2010
1:13 pm

If she gets fired… she needs to sue the crap out of the system just like the one that was wrongly accused of molesting those girls

Son of an Educator

May 25th, 2010
1:13 pm

Proud (or is it pathetic) Black Man, Please do not use a word (patronize) unless you understand its meaning. But I guess your comment about me is in line with your ignorance about the Tea Party movement (I am notwhere close to a tea party member). The fact that you continue to insert your disdain for the Tea Party, and have judged the Tea Party to be racists, refects your ignorance – or whatever the political version or “racism” is – that is to say, you view the tea party movement as politically inferior to your views, and you do so based on your own ignorance, as opposed to information/fact. Perhaps you would do well to work on your self-esteem issues. If you take “pride” in being a victim, or pride in the suffering of your ancestors, yeah, then I guess the name suits you.

Uhm

May 25th, 2010
1:14 pm

Yes, one of the ways of being racist is by wearing insensitive clothing. If I wear a t-shirt that says F the N’s, then I’m being racist. You’re saying that if I wear that t-shirt at the request of my teacher in a “superior” class, then it’s okay? Do you not really see the all kinds of wrong in that statement?

And no, I am proud to say I went to a school that did not segregate students based on their superiority. I’m sure that if they did, I would not have gotten as good of an education as I did, because they would have kept the good stuff for the “superior” kids. I just wish kids today had the same opportunities to learn that I had.

jules

May 25th, 2010
1:17 pm

Uhm lose the superior word..

Uhm

May 25th, 2010
1:19 pm

But that’s your term, jules!

jules

May 25th, 2010
1:20 pm

LOL NO its not… you are acting like a victim and its not a good color on you

New School

May 25th, 2010
1:21 pm

Uhm, you are too funny!

jules

May 25th, 2010
1:22 pm

Who was it that told her to put on her big girl panties…. aint that the truth….. life is not rainbows and sunshine… get over it

Uhm

May 25th, 2010
1:29 pm

Well I am glad to see that the debate is over considering that the only things that can be said are the use of the (correct) terms I used and about what kind of underwear I have on. I wish no ill will upon either of you, jules or New School. We just all have different opinions, and I just happen to have the right one. Take care!

ron

May 25th, 2010
1:31 pm

We are wearing out the word racist. When one has no way of carrying on the conversation they yell racist. It will lose its meaning if we keep using it to end each conversation.

jules

May 25th, 2010
1:31 pm

Uhm you are delusional

H

May 25th, 2010
1:32 pm

People, people, calm down…I have the solution that will eliminate racism in this country and keep people from being so “sensitive” about their race…so here is what I propose, each year we will have a “Racial Olympics”…a governing board committee, which consists of representatives of all races in the US, will decide which events will be appropriate for the 2 week competition… events may include everything from sports to solving math problems…people can choose to pull for their own race or another race (doesn’t matter, it’s America!). At stake will be that losing race has to “give up” something (for a year) that the winning race chooses…example: whites defeat blacks = No black History celebrations in public schools, blacks defeat whites = whites are not allowed to play golf for a year…etc. What do y’all think? It’s still in the developmental stages but I think it could work? It could also help stimulate the economy!

New School

May 25th, 2010
1:32 pm

Keep this mess up and the next thing you know there will be no more Civil War reinactments because those Rebel uniforms are offensive. Everyone knows every Rebel soldier was all for slavery and every northern soldier had a pure heart.
Wait, weren’t there slaves in the north too? I should keep quite about that – don’t want to clutter up my generalizations with facts.

jules

May 25th, 2010
1:35 pm

H! hey tiger woods plays golf so will it only be white people to lose playing? If mexicans lose does that mean no tacos for a year and then what about red necks.. You and I both know that is not on race there at all :)

New School

May 25th, 2010
1:35 pm

Yes, Uhm, you have dazzled and thoroughly defeated us with your brilliance.

jules

May 25th, 2010
1:37 pm

jules

May 25th, 2010
1:38 pm

New School there were also WHITE slaves!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

H

May 25th, 2010
1:39 pm

Jules, there are limitless possibilities here… red necks could possible lose NASCAR for a year…Mexicans would not be allowed to purchase burritos from the QT in groups of 3 or more, etc…

jules

May 25th, 2010
1:41 pm

Who will lose the Ga peaches and watermelon or fried chicken!

New School

May 25th, 2010
1:42 pm

H, I’m a redneck and I need my people to be left out of these olympics. The stakes are just too high.

H

May 25th, 2010
1:43 pm

Again, that would be left up to the governing committee to decide before each event.

jules

May 25th, 2010
1:44 pm

H most feared words are … I am from the goverment and Im here to help you

H

May 25th, 2010
1:46 pm

New School, you will be able to vote on your representative so I suggest finding someone who shares your peoples’ best interest at heart. Foxworthy would be a good Rep!

ELVISINTHEHOUSE.

May 25th, 2010
1:48 pm

EZRA AND ANGELA SOUND LIKE THE CLAN WIFES.I THOUGHT THIS BLOG WAS FOR ALL COMMENTS,BLACK AND WHITE.

ELVISINTHEHOUSE.

May 25th, 2010
1:57 pm

Son of educatur,your simple minded and insecure to argue behind a key board to someone you will never know or never see.

Ms Concern:

May 25th, 2010
1:58 pm

@Pi$$onaDAWg: ARE YOU A KLANSMEN? because you are a real ignorant bufoon. This teacher made a really bad choice, in addition to the students parents who allowed their children to take part in this. But you are only comfortable in what you know and have been taught. She could have shown a movie on the KKK, there are many documentries out there about it.She violated School policys and rules, she didn’t notify or consult the principal Because she knew they would have said no to paradeing the KLAN Uniforms in or outside of the school. If this was a class project, then why were the students paradeing through the cafeteria when the students were at lunch? (She has a schedule). She knew what she was doing, She may be a good teacher to some, but was this a supposedly innocent. THERE IS NOTHING INNOCENT ABOUT THE KKK AND WHAT THEY STAND FOR IN AMERICA, THEN AND NOW. The Black Panther Party, The Civil Rights Movement. are not hate organizations. AS FAR AS THE YOUNG BLACKS KILLING EACH OTHER AND THE DRUGS IN OUR COMMUNITIES, AS WELL AS CALIFORNIA, I SEE YOU DON’T KNOW YOUR HISTORY, DRUGS WERE PLANTED IN OUR COMMUNITIES, YESTERDAY, TODAY, AND TOMMORROW. WE ARE NOT THE DISTRIBUTORS. I SEE YOU KNOW SOME OF THE SLANG, WHAT PART DO YOU PLAY.

jules

May 25th, 2010
2:01 pm

Elvis if this is the case then the black history month should be stopped, the black colleges need to be closed and the list goes on…… this is just so everyone can be together and if one cant be taught the other one cant either..

H

May 25th, 2010
2:02 pm

Here are some of the race categories so far for the governing board of the Racial Olympics…each has its sub category (still in the developmental stages) and its own representative

Whites
• Conservative Whites
• Liberal Whites
• Gay
• Trashy

Blacks
• Conservative Blacks
• Liberal Blacks
• Gay
• Ghetto

Hispanic, Asian, Indian etc…

Angela

May 25th, 2010
2:05 pm

@ ELVISINTHEHOUSE.

May 25th, 2010
1:48 pm
EZRA AND ANGELA SOUND LIKE THE CLAN WIFES.I THOUGHT THIS BLOG WAS FOR ALL COMMENTS,BLACK AND WHITE.

Please note that CLAN is spelled (KLAN) and more than one WIFE is (WIVES). You are a sick as PBM. All comments are welcomed. I am not speaking of comments being made I am speaking of HATE and BLOOD PRESSURE! It kills the one with so much of it. Life is meant to have happiness not HATE! When you consume so much of it it kills you not the other person(s). XOXO

Maureen Downey

May 25th, 2010
2:06 pm

To all, I think that you all have squeezed all you could of of this “racial olympics” theme. I would suggest we all move on.
Maureen

Spikepine

May 25th, 2010
2:08 pm

This is another example of pure racism and now the idiots on this blog can’t seem to want to admit it. I don’t understand why this kind of crap was allowed in the school. If the teacher had good intentions, why did she not send a note home to all parents, why did she not notify the administrators of what her plans were. With the racist climate in this country in full force, why would anyone think this is alright and not offensive. This is an outrage and the teacher should be sent packing. There is no excuse for this and I am ashamed that any black person would think this is fine. What would have happend if a group of black students had marched down the hallways of this school wearing all black with their fists clenched in the black power sign, representing the Black Panthers. You people on this blog, who are supporting this racist teacher would be outraged, f the shoe was on the other foot. Stop making excuses for racism; one day, if things start to turn and peole of color start to show hate and racism against white people, these blogs won’t be so forgiving. There will be no support for racism.

From Georgia

May 25th, 2010
2:11 pm

As a white man from Georgia who lived through the civil rights movement, I have to say that this teacher’s actions were simply stupid. She made an unbelievably poor decision to allow these students to dress up like Klan members. As good of a teacher as she might be, she showed that she lives in a vacuum if she does not understand that MOST African Americans would take offense to her actions. This is a learning opportunity for HER and I hope she takes advantage of it. I’m not saying she should be executed, but she should surely enter into a dialog with the African Americans in her community and embark on journey of understanding as to why her actions were offensive to them. She’ll then have a better appreciation on why her efforts were self defeating. If she’s a great teacher. she knows you learn more from teaching than the students do. Now it’s her chance to be student. Let’s see if she learns anything.

Spikepine

May 25th, 2010
2:11 pm

Maureen Downey, sometimes people have to experience an act before they will understand. You just keep on living, maybe someone will squeeze something that you love and care about; maybe deep pain will open your understanding to how senseless an act can be.

Spikepine

May 25th, 2010
2:19 pm

Pi$$onaDAWG, the teacher can also show white men raping their own children. They can show white children killing their parents and white priests raping hundreds of little white boys and everyone keeping their crimes a secret. Why can’t the teacher show the white serial killers and all the little white girls who are missing in this country every day? The teacher should also show the white politicians having sex with their assistance and pagers. Should I go on, because black peole are not the only ones killing in this country. Now do you see how stupid and ignorant your post was?

Proud Black Woman

May 25th, 2010
2:20 pm

Proud Black Man: You are the reason there will never be true equality in this country.

Spikepine

May 25th, 2010
2:21 pm

Pi$$onaDAWG, another thing, I am sick of white people acting as though crime does not happen in their neighborhoods and committed by white people. There are too many white children who are abducted, raped and murdered in this country, because you all think, “THINGS LIKE THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN HERE”. Yes they do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jules

May 25th, 2010
2:25 pm

Ms Concern the black panther party being safe… you must be on crack

Son of an Educator

May 25th, 2010
2:29 pm

ELVISINTHEHOUSE – Excuse me if I have missed your attempt to be funny – “Son of educatur,your simple minded and insecure to argue behind a key board to someone you will never know or never see.” I believe the correct posting should read: Son of Educator (Proper Noun and one u in educator), YOU ARE (your is a possessive pronoubm you’re is the contraction used to combine YOU ARE) simple-minded (hyphenated word) and insecure to agrue behind a keyboard (one word). Now I get lazy with spellcheck as much as the next person, but this is an “education” blog. OR excuse me, happy last day of school. Where will you be attending Middle School next semester?

AriemmaDaughter

May 25th, 2010
2:30 pm

Oh my gosh. @Proud Ariemma Student. I could not be more proud of you! Thank you for sticking up for her and your project. We who know Cody Rider know that he is greatly enjoying his 15 minutes of fame, and he should enjoy it now because I doubt anybody will every pay attention to him after this.

H

May 25th, 2010
2:32 pm

@Spikepine

“What would have happend if a group of black students had marched down the hallways of this school wearing all black with their fists clenched in the black power sign, representing the Black Panthers.”

Where was your racial outrage when the guys who dressed as Black Panthers showed up at voting precincts to intimidate white voters? Where is your racial outrage when ALL students are forced to celebrate black history month?

Maureen Downey

May 25th, 2010
2:35 pm

@Spikepine, Not sure what you are talking about. My objection is not to the tenor of this overall debate or its value, but the handful of folks going back and forth on a specific line of banter that was not compelling or enlightening or even relevant.
Maureen

Joe

May 25th, 2010
2:36 pm

Please take note Proud Black Man and Proud White Man are not the same poster.
Thanks

Son of an Educator

May 25th, 2010
2:37 pm

spikepine, “What would have happend if a group of black students had marched down the hallways of this school wearing all black with their fists clenched in the black power sign, representing the Black Panthers”? Ideally, nothing. Unless of course, the mixed race 18 year-old decided the white half of his body was “offended” by the demonstration. You really need to grab a dictionary in look up the word RACISM. Racism and discrimination, injustice and bigotry are not the same. There first usually leads to the other three. For example, the KKK is based on racism (white Anglo-Saxon Americans are better than any other race, well, except the Germans), but Proud Black Man is a bigot. See the difference?

AriemmaDaughter

May 25th, 2010
2:42 pm

This was plain ole southern TERRORISM in its simplest form. This was a staged event planned by the teacher and with full support and authorization by the parents of these students to carefully and with malice to frighten and threaten all Minorities in the surrounding area and across this country. The students were used as a cover to provide plausible denial if challenged. Most will say there is no harm with a wink and a smile. However, we must remind this group of the population that this type of despicable behavior will never be tolerated ever again not in our communities and certainly not in
our schools. Time has come for us to see the gathering storm and prepare for a long hot summer of our discontent. This Principal should be fired as well for not managing this offensive decision by this rogue teacher. Demand this action for your children.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! Oh please shut up now. I can assure you that this was NEVER her intention, and I should know because I’m her daughter. Get a clue, or maybe a job. I don’t know what you do all day.

Rightwing Troll

May 25th, 2010
2:44 pm

Poor judgement? probably. To the point where it justifies all this uproar? not even close.

This is just sad is what it is. This “save face” meeting is going to be packed with black folks, most probably from outside the district, who are going to get up and denounce this and call this exemplary teacher a racist, which will be a wholly unfounded allegation, then they’ll walk out that door and call each other ni$$er and Ho and such. You know all the words we white folk aren’t allowed to use.

Walk the walk, talk the talk, but don’t expect everybody around you toe the line when you don’t yourself.

Proud White Man

May 25th, 2010
2:45 pm

Saul,

I agree with you and wish it could be this way, but again, sadly, it is not. I cannot answer from where the races originate, as I don’t have a firm belief myself. I would like to think that my religion (ha ha which one?) at its core has the best interest of mankind in mind but like all things in which humans are caretakers in the interim, can get perverted into something completely dissimilar.

Enjoyed the interaction. I think we may agree on many things. Have a great day.

Hmmmmmmm

May 25th, 2010
2:47 pm

Exactly Son of an Educator…… This country will never get over our past with people like proud black man and Spikeman….. This is all so rediculous, it really goes to show you how much we have NOT evolved. We are divided yet again based on color of skin…. PATHETIC at best!

Legend of Len Barker

May 25th, 2010
2:48 pm

I don’t think enough is being taught about the Klan in schools and how much of a force they were. At their height in the mid-1920s, they numbered in excess of 2.5 million.

I’m from the opposite end of the state as Lumpkin County, but the Klan has a chapter in my hometown. It’s no secret as to who the local leader is. They even marched on the square about 15 years ago. However, the Klan is somewhat of a laughingstock and not taken as seriously as they would have been 40-50 years ago when literature wasn’t the things they were handing out.

I don’t think alerting everyone in the school would have solved the problem. Like V for Vendetta said a few pages ago, it would have opened a huge can of worms and would have likely caused protests. Was this way better? I don’t know. But I think it shows – if what Katherine said is correct – that we have a huge disconnect from history.

I’m not sure if the children of today understand how much of hate group they were. It’s one think to say what minorities and religions you don’t like (the reformed Klan in 1915 was inspired as much by anti-Jewish sentiment as it was anti-black), but to understand the atrocities. Through the Civil Rights era, black people were not just controlled by Jim Crow, but by the threat of violence. Georgia was a lynch happy state, even in comparison to most of the rest of the South.

It is obvious the teacher was not trying to teach hate, but to get her students to learn from it.

There is so much that we are missing. It wasn’t until I began doing research into the Civil Rights period and earlier than I began to understand just what it meant to be a minority in Georgia (or be Jewish in 1913-15). We need to be teaching that now. We need to be learning from it.

Son of an Educator

May 25th, 2010
2:50 pm

From Georgia, so Lumpkin County teachers are supposed to present curriculum based on the assumption of what offends “most African Americans”? And, I suppose, given the facts of the case, Lumpkin County educators must also poll “most mixed-race” students and parents. You say you are a “white man who lived through the Civil Rights movement…” Gee, I didn’t think the civil rights movement presented any danger to WHITE MEN. Or, where you on the “other side” (KKK), so you’re speaking from personal experience. I think the real question here is, did this AP History lesson on “racism” include references to the genocide of Native Americans? The treatment of Chinese laborers, and as mentioned the internment of Japanese-Americans during WWII (would “mostAsian-American students be offended” by a student dressed as FDR signing the Executive Order that stripped the Nisai of their Constitutional rights? You people who think the “offensive” aspects of the human experience or “offensive” periods of American History can be edited (as they are doing in Texas) need to rethink your position. And finally, if this poor teacher should have know what “most African Americans find offensive” what was she to do about the African Americans who would be “offended” by omitting references to the KKK from any discussion of racism in US History.

EECT

May 25th, 2010
3:11 pm

It’s part of our shared HISTORY! If we are intelligent, we learn from history. (Unless we live in Texas, where history can just be re-writen.)Did the teacher make a mistake? Yes, but she did accidentally without malice. She wasn’t trying to invoke a reaction, she was trying to make a film. Most likely, she was hoping the FILM would invoke a reaction, but withing a controled environment.

Of course, there IS the option to go along with Texas’ educational plans, in which case this whole incident would be moot.

According to Texas there was no Slave Trade, just an Atlantic Triangle Trade. Logically, no Slave Trade would indicate no slaves. Without the push to abolish this “non-existent” slavery, would there have been a Civil War? (I mean, really, who would have gone to war to Free The Triangles?) So, in the new Texas-version of history, the social climate of the South would never have twisted in such a way as to foster the formation of the KKK? And, white sheets would have only been worn by beds…and giggling little children pretending to be ghosts for Halloween.

Don’t let society ignore history (or even clean it up). Seeing students in sheet costumes isn’t what upset the other students… it was the HISTORY behind those costumes that caused such an intense emotional reaction.

It is knowlege of history and an awareness of past pain and injustice that moves us forward, inspires us to change, and stops us from inflicting similar pain on others.

JJ

May 25th, 2010
3:22 pm

1105 students, one complaint and this is what happens. Man this world is out of wack.

Clint

May 25th, 2010
3:30 pm

I feel that racial bias works in both ways in topics like these. All it takes sometimes is an irrelevant situation to ignite a circular conversation around a simple issue.

I believe that race, religion, nationality, and creed should not be either a hinderance or a crutch to any person in our country. It would be nice if all could be truly “color blind” in our motives, actions, and interpretations of our daily issues.

But, then again, beating a dead horse is always fun I’ll admit.

Thanks for the updates, we’ll see what was discussed in the meeting in a few hours I guess. My hope is that all parties come out a few degrees cooler.

H

May 25th, 2010
3:31 pm

EECT-It is knowlege of history and an awareness of past pain and injustice that moves us forward

Or hold us back…

come on now

May 25th, 2010
3:56 pm

where race originated;

if you believe what is written; man was made from the soil; what color is most soil? lets say good rich top soil. Dark or “black”

woman was created from mans rib; which is bone. What color is bone? white or ivory if you know the difference

OMG, Adam was a black man and Eve was white

come on now

May 25th, 2010
3:59 pm

and i know someone out there is thinking well what if Adam was made of sand; well that is just silly because then we would be see through

gotcha lol

Buzz

May 25th, 2010
4:07 pm

Why hasn’t anyone mentioned that this student who wanted to “FIGHT” maybe the one who is blowing this out of porportion???

Georgia Teacher

May 25th, 2010
4:27 pm

I am not going to defend this teacher… her assignment showed poor judgement. That said, I commend the intent.

My mother was run out of the University of Mississippi by the Klan for having a black student in her room to study. She was a very liberal and naive freshman in the 60s. My students have no idea how far the South has come and how people used to be treated just down the road in Forsyth County.

Sorry folks, but history is history. You take the good with the bad. Don’t dare sweep that part of our history under the rug… too many people sacrificed too much to end it.

RUFUS LEVIN

May 25th, 2010
4:41 pm

Did she also teach the students that Abraham Lincoln did not want Blacks to get the vote, nor did he want them to intermarry or mix with whites, in fact he wanted to ship them back to Africa. He said that he would give up freeing the slaves if it would preserve the Union of The United States rather than having the South break off over States’ Rights issues that were being violated by the Congress of the USA??

Teach it all. Including how the Northern states were abusing Irish and kids and women of all colors by harsh and inhumane working conditions in the manufacturing industries of the North that used the Cotton grown in the South to produce cotton fabric with the huge fabric weaving mills. This was economic slavery, without any ownership requirement to keep them healthy and alive…since there were lots of kids and women and immigrants to work for slave wages in the North….while the Actual Slaves of the South were at least given the care of PROPERTY…fed and cared for…unlike the workers of the North.

Clint

May 25th, 2010
4:44 pm

GA Teacher, then why bring these harmful issues back into the spotlight when sacrifices were already made to eradicate them from current events? (not history, I thouth that was the focus of the history assignment anyways) All because of simple miscommunications. 50 years has brought a lot of change to how society views diversity. Let’s hope it continues for the better not the worse.

Saul Good

May 25th, 2010
5:14 pm

PWM… you too… until our NEXT disagreement…good day.

Lee

May 25th, 2010
5:22 pm

Wow, while it is entertaining to watch the politically correct feed upon themselves, it is disturbing on a certain level.

This poor, misguided, politically history teacher had every intent of showing how “racist” and “bigoted” the “evil Klan” was. A single prick and drop of blood from a troublemaking student, and she was devoured like a sacrificial lamb by piranhas. Every racist organization from the NAACP to the ADL is in line for a piece of this poor woman.

I don’t see much hope for this country. The parasites don’t want to learn politically correct history, much less TRUE HISTORY.

A few hundred years from now, when historians discuss the demise of the late, great United States, I think political correctness will be one of the main culprits.

Saul Good

May 25th, 2010
5:37 pm

Yeah Lee…the NAACP and the ADL are “racist” organizations… put in place to denigrate the “white” man… true about 100 years from now…they’ll still look back to show what a racist society we lived in.

Do you think the teacher could have taught “history” in any other way? Did four of her students need to parade around the school that day in their parent’s borrowed Klan get-ups? Because the KKK is alive and well in North GA… in fact it’s one of their strongholds. Perhaps maybe having them “read” the history of them would have been more appropriate.

Middle Aged Black Mother

May 25th, 2010
6:50 pm

Has everyone lost their mind? Sounds like this teacher went beyond the call of duty to make history interesting. How do you teach history with revealing America’s ugly past? Slavery, Jim Crow, Europeans “discovering” a land that already belonged to Native American’s. It’s all ugly but true. Nouveau racists don’t wear sheets, they’re in the closet. We need to stop with all this politically correct foolishness. As for Markel Hutchins, if he’s looking for work, he needs to protest the out of control black on black crime in Atlanta. A young man just got shot and killed for trying to break up a fight. Protest that. Maybe the reason there were no blacks in the AP history class was because we spend too much time worrying about the wrong thing.

From Georgia

May 25th, 2010
7:08 pm

@Son of an Educator>>…so Lumpkin County teachers are supposed to present curriculum based on the assumption of what offends “most African Americans”?<>>And, I suppose, given the facts of the case, Lumpkin County educators must also poll “most mixed-race” students and parents.<>>You say you are a “white man who lived through the Civil Rights movement…” Gee, I didn’t think the civil rights movement presented any danger to WHITE MEN. Or, where you on the “other side” (KKK), so you’re speaking from personal experience.<>>I think the real question here is, did this AP History lesson on “racism” include references to the genocide of Native Americans? The treatment of Chinese laborers, and as mentioned the internment of Japanese-Americans during WWII (would “mostAsian-American students be offended” by a student dressed as FDR signing the Executive Order that stripped the Nisai of their Constitutional rights?<<>You people who think the “offensive” aspects of the human experience or “offensive” periods of American History can be edited (as they are doing in Texas) need to rethink your position.<>And finally, if this poor teacher should have know what “most African Americans find offensive” what was she to do about the African Americans who would be “offended” by omitting references to the KKK from any discussion of racism in US History.<<

Walking down the hallway with the clothes on and omitting references to the KKK are two different things. You are building a straw man. It doesn't work.

DAYDREAMER

May 25th, 2010
7:11 pm

It was reported that the teacher did not inform administration and other students about the re-enactment.

An assignment on racism is fine. My son did one this year as well. I helped him look up information on the subject (of which there is a lot of really nasty stuff still going on) with my help and close eye I was able to explain that none of it was acceptable in our house and what things I felt were totally out of bounds… wrong, etc.

The problem I have with this teacher is her allowing students to come OUTSIDE of the classroom in KKK robes and walk around the school where unknowing students and teachers would see them and not know why they were dressed this way.

That was total disregard for other students and teachers. It is a school in the SOUTH…c’mon… this type of carelessness on the teacher’s and STUDENTS’ part should not go unpunished.

Nor would it have been acceptable to have students run around with a noose or a gun or an axe or anything else that could be misconstrued by the other students or teachers at this (or any other) school.

It was total reckless behavior by all involved.

From Georgia

May 25th, 2010
7:13 pm

@Saul Good.

Yes! Anyone can ride up there any summer weekend and see the hooded heads. I know I have. On my way to the Etowah Indian Mounds one day, I had to explain to my daughter who those covered up cowards were.

Son of an Educator

May 25th, 2010
8:52 pm

From Georgia. The only straw in this discussion is located between somebody’s ears. The subject of video or project was racism in American history. One cannot discuss the subject of racism in American history without discussing the KKK (unless of course the discussing takes place in Texas, but that’s another kettle of fish). Your position has “thought police” written all over it. I admit I was not present, but from the posts of students who were, it seems the response of the students in the cafeteria (hooting and cheering) is what “offended” others. And if it was the inappropriate response of a lone student, with othere documented behavioral issues, we’ve really gone off the rails here. Is the Lumpkin County Board of Ed suppose to direct teachers from presenting material which might lead a large group of H.S. students to hoot, holler and otherwise create an five minutes of mayhem? There are some who find flatulence “offensive” and “inappropriate” at certain gatherings, but I bet there is not a graduation ceremony or other celebration, where some wisenhymer didn’t cut the cheese; producing hoots and hollers. I guess we have do away with football games, pep rallies, school assemblies, etc. As I said, life is at times offensive. We can raise children to become critical thinkers, and form their own opinions as to what is “offensive” and what is “appropriate”. If anything, the school should discipline the students who hooted and hollered. Seems to me their behavior was sophomoric and innapropriate. And Daydreamer, good luck when your son enters the real world, but doesn’t have you to filter the information he receives. Then again, be sure to tell him what is “acceptable” in your home, and maybe he’ll be living in your basements well into his 40’s. Get a grip, people. Do you think ANY of the students in the cafeteria believed they were witnessing an actual Klan rally, or white supremacist demonstration? The “crowd” was a bunch of bored H.S. kids who saw the robes as an opportunity to cause a commotion.

Harold

May 25th, 2010
9:24 pm

Wow! 340 comments – nothing like a blog article that mentions race to get folks stirred up. When I saw this article, I thought – well, that’ll bring a lot of posts.

Of course, 100 of the comments came from Proud Black Man – not Black – never will be – and definitely not a teacher. Obviously – because he/she says nothing about educating kids, and has absolutely no knowledge or interest in children.

My guess is that Proud Black man is a white guy in his early 30’s and works in the business world. Can everyone honestly not tell? You must be new to blogging. PBM’s having a good laugh as he thinks he’s so clever. I think he also answers himself in other posts pretending to be other posters responding to himself. Regular posters are also getting a good laugh PBM.

On a more serious note:
How about we look at what’s happening to all our kids in public education here in Georgia? Education is the key for their success no matter what their race, color or creed. We’re all part of the “Human Race” and education or passing knowledge on to our offspring is what makes us Human. We are all in the same boat here – rowing as fast and we can while the boat is springing leaks right and left. Science, math, history, economics, English, reading – all of our kids need these. Every parent – Black, white, Hispanic, Asian, rich, poor, middle class, whatever – wants their children to have the skills to be successful. This is part of belonging to the Human Race as well.

Maureen Downey

May 25th, 2010
9:31 pm

@Harold, Proud Black Man can speak for himself on your comments, but I can tell you that he always posts under the same name. He is not pretending to be other people.
Maureen

Proud Black Man

May 25th, 2010
9:39 pm

@ Harold

Yes over 340 posts indeed. You bigots sure are passionate about klan apparel.

@ Maureen

Thanks. Harold is just another example of tea (insert the name that cannot be mentioned) hypocrisy.

high school teacher

May 25th, 2010
9:52 pm

If there is one thing I have learned from teaching, it’s that most stories involving schools are not correctly portrayed by the meida – no offense, Maureen. Stories like this one are designed to create sensationalism. We don’t know the whole story, nor will we. The devil really is in the details, and we never get all of the details.

The Centrist Black Man

May 25th, 2010
10:15 pm

I agree with Majii.

The teacher’s mistake was not informing the administration of what was going on and having the kids walking around the school in full regalia. That should not have happened.

Should she be reprimanded for that yes. Should she be reprimanded for trying to show a sorry part of our nation’s history, no.

How we move forward is as important as where we came from.

From Georgia

May 25th, 2010
10:53 pm

Son of an Educator.

My post did not make it in its entirety let me try again.

When I say I lived through the civil rights era that’s what I mean. I was in high school in the ’60s and our high school went from 100% white to 51% black during those four years I was there. During that time we had riots, demonstrations, bomb threats, lock-outs, fights, raving parents, and many other un-school-like events. But guess what? We kids adjusted and embraced the changes.

My parents and my parents’ friends were racists who made great efforts to try to make us like them, even to the point of saying it was God’s will that black people were inferior. They would take great pleasure in reciting or repeating the most recent sordid racial jokes and expected us to find them as funny as they did. When I went away to college, my father would call me just to tell me a new stupid racial joke that he had heard. I told him to stop. He didn’t like it and said I had become a ….. (fill in the blanks).

This was the normal behavior of the many white people of my childhood. I determined to not be a part of it. My father and his Klan friends would meet at our house and the only thing they would talk about would be how much they hated black people. I used to ask him what was his problem. He used to tell me that integration was going to ruin me. When I became an adult, I told him he was right. Integration ruined me from being a racist like him.

There is no place for Klan garments in a public school. The Klan was vicious and racist and were murderers, and they got away with most of their deeds. There are many dead black men out there and no one ever knows what happened to them. If the few Klan members present today could do it and get away with it, they would do it again. Your comparison of the effect of flatulence and the wearing of these murderers’ garb is disgusting. (And if I offend Klan members….good!)

History lesson indeed. How are they going to reenact this mob’s heinous crimes? Pretend to hang and burn young black men from trees? Act as if they are lynching young boys from county jails with the local sheriff’s complicity? Get a rubber bat and mercilessly beat non-violent demonstrators? What principal would ever sanction any of that? But that is the history of this group!

Any sophomoric reenactment only trivializes the suffering of those of whom we can never empathize with. What possible lesson can wearing a hood teach a young person about that era. Nothing. And those that watch this inept attempt to teach a history they cannot understand. Why don’t they watch or read interviews with those who experienced these atrocities? Or if they are really lucky, find someone who actually went through it. Or why not read a book at the very least! Or is that not part of our curriculum now?

But how can we start there when even the simple understandable reaction of parents (not just cafeteria students) to this school idiocy cannot be understood by those who need to understand it the most?

And that’s a white man’s opinion. How do you think African Americans feel?

Commended

May 26th, 2010
12:06 am

Texas wants to take out slavery in their history books and now Georgia wants ignore racism in the history books. The teacher should be commended for speaking out against racism, especially in a county that is 94% whites. Believe it or not racism is alive a kicking in Georgia. As a black educator, it needs to be brought out. Children need to see how hateful the Klan is. She has apologized. Let it go. Just give her a slap on the wrist and send her back to work. Let her be spokes person for a anti- defamation group.

@ Maureen re PBM from Harold

May 26th, 2010
1:33 am

“@Harold, Proud Black Man can speak for himself on your comments, but I can tell you that he always posts under the same name. He is not pretending to be other people.”

It’s really not that difficult to create different emails and names so I’m not sure how you would know that unless you are pinging his ip address.

I just find his comments sound like a white conservative in his 30s – stilted, snide, rigid and repetitive. Like what’s up with this tea (insert the name that cannot be mentioned) over and over again? How weird can you get – maybe he’s a programmer. He’s certainly educated – spelling, grammar, punctuation and good use of dependent and independent clauses, but he has absolutely no background in the educational field or interest in students since none of his posts deal with kids so you have to figure he’s not a teacher. He never speaks of his own kids so I figure he’s not a parent.

I’m sorry. He just gets on my last nerve.

Proud Black Man

May 26th, 2010
9:16 am

@ From Georgia

Well said!

@ Harold

“He’s certainly educated – spelling, grammar, punctuation and good use of dependent and independent clauses, but he has absolutely no background in the educational field or interest in students since none of his posts deal with kids so you have to figure he’s not a teacher. He never speaks of his own kids so I figure he’s not a parent.”

You’ve just showed your hand bigot. A black man can’t type intelligently? Typical racist jibba jabber. No need to speak of my kids. They are doing quite well at the title one school they attend. Its amazing what positive feedback and appropriate use of corporal punishment will do for kids. You neurotic tea (insert the name that cannot be mentioned) know nothing about raising successful adults do you?

“I’m sorry. He just gets on my last nerve.”

GOOD!!!

Ms. Daisey

May 26th, 2010
10:33 am

@ Son of an Educator: What do you mean what was “the parent of an African American student” doing at the school? We have parents who volunteer at the school. There are Parents who attend Parent, Teacher workshops. We have Parents who come to the school simply to see how their kids are doing in class. Didn’t your parents ever do this for you? Its lack of parent participation as well as presents in school which causes a lot of the negative attitudes and remarks I’m reading today. As a white mother and teacher living in Georgia it’s sad and embarrassing. Surely, we can do better than this.

Perplexed

May 26th, 2010
11:04 am

If Ms. Ariemma is such a great educator, why didn’t she educate her students that the Ku Klux Klan are domestic terrorists? How or rather WHY did she think students dressed in white robes and hoods was a teaching tool/moment? Anyone this side of the Mississippi knows that the Ku Klux Klan should not be emulated. I wonder if she thinks Andrew Jackson was a racist, considering what happened to Native Americans. I mean really, where does it end? Her mantra is ‘racism exists and if we don’t talk about it, it’s like we condone it.” Talking is one thing…dressing as a Klansman, entirely another.

Proud Momma

May 26th, 2010
11:24 am

I will state that I have a student there, she is PROUD of her teachers & students. So far it has only been a “civil rights” seen wrong issue. Mrs. Ariemma found a VERY Creative way to get students interested in learning. My opinion is that it is pathetic that politics have to try to halt our children from learning within our classrooms things that truly happened. Why hide our past?? By hiding from it–the cycle is NEVER broken and will most likely be repeated. Look at more ancient history involving the Greeks & Romans. History is doomed to repeat itself if it is hidden away and never learned from. I AM PROUD to have Mrs. Ariemma as a teacher where my children will learn. I teach tolerance at home why cant society be the same?? Everyone is different, if they weren’t society would die out and fade away. If stupidity is going to rule–like what our children can and cannot learn in school–what our children can and cannot be exposed to as a truth–and what they can and cannot see as a history that happened to our ancestors then i say Let Mother Nature have her planet back.

Saul Good

May 26th, 2010
11:35 am

Perplexed… Good post!

[...] Schooled: What did students learn? [...]

Proud Black Man

May 26th, 2010
8:34 pm

“Maureen – Please explain why American kids wearing t-shirt with U.S. flag emblems and sitting quietly at a lunch table was “understandably” upsetting to Mexican-American kids celebrating Cinco de Mayo (which is not even a national holiday in Mexico), but white kids wearing KKK robes and strutting through the cafeteria at lunch should not be upsetting to African American (and white) kids?”

Yes. Please do explain.

Maureen Downey

May 26th, 2010
8:45 pm

It is not that I don’t think the kids in the cafeteria should have been alarmed to see the costimes. But once the kids were told that their four classmates – who were with their teacher — were dressed for a history play, I think that should allayed the concerns.
By the way, I don’t buy the comparison.
Maureen

Proud Black Man

May 26th, 2010
9:32 pm

“By the way, I don’t buy the comparison.”

Interpretation:

I have no counter-argument and realize that I’m standing on shaky ground so I’m not even going to attempt to answer. Sort of like how southern all white teams before segregation refused to play black or mixed race schools. Funny also how you chose this LONG thread to give your non-answer. You’ve learned well grasshopper! ;)

Proud Black Man

May 26th, 2010
9:35 pm

Proud Black Man

May 26th, 2010
9:36 pm

Funny how censorship works.

Felicity

May 27th, 2010
10:27 am

I objected to my 13 yr old watching Roots w/o my permission. The kids that did see it acted inappropriately in other classes. Some even asked each other, during a rape scence, if they should be watching. Parents need to know what’s occurring at school, especially if the teacher doesn’t blog.
My child also had a 5th grade teacher who sought MY permission to allow my child to take books home on the civil war. This is what an administrator SHOULD do with unapproved material.
I would not allow my child to participate in a reenactment(AP class or otherwise) invoving KKK dressed students, nor a march to Selma by Dr. King, exposure to violence can be mishandled as this teacher did. Fire her no, we all can learn. She doesn’t seem to get it though, the classroom discussion may need to be monitored as well.

Walton 84

June 1st, 2010
8:48 pm

some people look to be offended…..it’s the only thing going on in their lives. If they can’t keep racism going then they have to do something else….and moving on and forward means little to them.