Gun poll: Majority want no weapons in high schools or colleges

On the eve of a vote on Senate Bill 308, Georgians for Gun Safety released this poll. I am running the poll because it  included questions about guns in schools. (SB 308 expands where guns can legally carried in the state. although k-12 schools remain off limits.)

Here are the poll details and results:

The poll asked 450 registered voters in whether a person should be allowed to carry a concealed weapon into a high school, a house of worship, a college or university campus, or at an airport.

76% said “definitely not” in a high school;

64% said “definitely not” in a house of worship;

61% said “definitely not” at an airport;

54% said “definitely not” at a college or university campus;

In fact, more than 50% of respondents said that someone with a permit “definitely should not” be able to carry a gun in any of the locations;

Those who participated in the poll were randomly selected from all regions of Georgia. The findings are representative of Georgia voters by region, type of community, age, race and gender. Opposition to concealed carry of firearms was so deep that differences by region of the state, type of community, and age or political affiliation varied only by a few percentage points.

Other interesting results include:

South Georgia was the region expressing the strongest opposition to guns in houses of worship;

Black voters were the most adamantly opposed to concealed carry in every location;

At least 60% of Republican voters said concealed carry with a permit ”definitely should not” or “probably should not” be allowed in any of the locations;

At least 54% of Independent voters said concealed carry “definitely should not” or “probably should not” be allowed in any of the locations.

Senate bill 308 is expected to pass Wednesday. To appease the state’s colleges, SB 308 carves out an exception for them, stating that the Regents can make its own rules regarding guns on campuses.

56 comments Add your comment

Alpharetta Transplant

March 23rd, 2010
11:41 pm

I would have been shocked if they did not carve out several exceptions. This idea of guns on school grounds did not play well at all in my North Fulton neighborhood and we let our lawmakers know it.

Free Market Educator

March 24th, 2010
3:53 am

Does anyone know who owns the registered trademark for “United States”? It’s displayed on the front of the Census 2010 questionnaire. As for guns, Nancy Pelosi swore and signed an Oath of Office to “support and defend” the Second Amendment. Get over it. If you don’t like it, amend the Constitution.

Lee

March 24th, 2010
5:31 am

Let’s see, a group called “Georgians for Gun Safety” commissions a poll that affirms their position regarding the concealed carry of weapons. Who would like to wager that if the National Rifle Association were to commission the same study, the results would say that the majority of respondents wanted the right to concealed carry in these locations?

Bottom line, the Founding Fathers were very literate men who wrote exactly what they meant. Be very wary of those who would try to pervert the meaning of the Bill of Rights to suit their politically correct agenda.

Cherokee mom2

March 24th, 2010
6:58 am

Well, when you elect fools to support your religious agendas, you get fools making laws. Let’s all run out and buy a gun and holster and make sure everyone can see it. After all, it’s worked well so far…as long as we don’t look at the gun death and injury statistics for children. Just tell 4 year old Johnny not to touch that gun and then you can all be real sure he won’t. And you taught Sam how to handle that gun and still can’t understand how he accidentally killed his best friend. WOW! The intelligence of man…civilization has come SO far!

bootney farnsworth

March 24th, 2010
8:08 am

they are there anyways, regardless – often in spite of – the laws and rules of the location and state.

all the good feelings, hippy daydreams, and cherokee mom hystronics haven’t changed that. never will.

considering the crime around Tech lately, a legal gun carried by a trained person is a sensible precaution.

bootney farnsworth

March 24th, 2010
8:10 am

if you really don’t like the idea of guns on campus, let the police do their jobs and allow the courts to toss animals who carry them illegally under the jail.

THEN you’ll see the drop of guns on campus

bootney farnsworth

March 24th, 2010
8:13 am

@ Cherokee Mom

nice way to ignore the issue and work in a nonsensical rant having nothing to do with the topic. you really shouldn’t be commenting on anyones intelligence status with a foaming at the mouth rant like that.

Proud Black Man

March 24th, 2010
8:44 am

The white right just won’t quit will they?

the prof

March 24th, 2010
8:53 am

Darn sure not a liberal hippie, but I’d love to tell you idiots what you can do with the outdated “Constitution”!

Cherokee mom2

March 24th, 2010
9:27 am

bootney farnsworth: WOW,am I impressed- such a gentleman, aren’t we? Call names if you can’t respect the concerns of another. I guess you would not understand why the thought of MORE idiots with guns would concern someone who is aware of the frightening statisitcs BEFORE we have given people the go ahead to walk around with them everywhere. One should never step on the toes of a big boy and his toys!

Proud White Man

March 24th, 2010
9:56 am

Proud Black Man (if in fact that is true)-I carry a gun to defend myself from ignorant thugs and scumbags…when I drive through Atlanta I don’t lock my door (shouldn’t have to)…nope, I just place my .40 cal by my side. I don’t look to cause problems. But I won’t hesitate to use my weapon if I feel my life or family’s life is in danger. Believe that!

owlafaye

March 24th, 2010
9:59 am

“Georgians For Gun Safety” conducted the poll…laughter

Anyone aware of the 1000 various ways polls are manipulated? People opposed to something will conduct polls that reflect their views UNFAILINGLY.

bell curve

March 24th, 2010
10:03 am

Are you pro-gun people trying to overcome some insecurity? That we spend so much time on this issue is emblematic of just how ridiculous our state government has become. If you want to own a gun, fine it is your right (2nd amendment) but why do we have to continually discuss the issue. We have more important things to worry about. By the way where were all of you when the Patriot Act (a true threat to your personal freedom) was pushed through by our last administration?

Howard Williams

March 24th, 2010
10:12 am

I and most of the concealed carry permit holders I know are not as concerned about carrying AT the locations outlined in SB308, it’s the TO and FROM these locations we are concerned about. Remember the small coin operated lockers at Hartsfield-Jackson (ATL) prior to 9/11 where one could temporarily secure a small carry on? Why not look at this option at locations where firearms are not allowed or welcomed? I’d bet Georgia Tech students would opt for this. Funding? The users would fund it.

Proud Black Man

March 24th, 2010
10:19 am

@ Proud White Man

Don’t you have a teabagger party to attend?

Stephen

March 24th, 2010
10:30 am

What kind of people would think a gun is appropriate to carry into church??? Certainly not folks who follow the actual teachings of Jesus!

Proud White Man

March 24th, 2010
10:46 am

@ Proud Black Man

Don’t you have an Obama rally to attend?

u cant handle the truth

March 24th, 2010
10:47 am

the supreme court has ruled that it is not the responsibilty of the police to protect you. its not the law abiding citizen you have to worry about in GUN FREE ZONES. i conceal carry and will obey the law the way it is written, but please dont think that gun control will lead to a reduction in crime. gun control can lead to tyranny, i know this is an extreme example but nazi germany used it to disarm the jews. please look up sisters for the second amendment and learn about the armed men (black army vets) that protected some civil rights marches. the second amendment applies to all citizens, i know banning guns is not what the article is about but some post indicate that would be a good idea. the second amendment is part of the constitution for a reason, if government changes that what else can they do?

Cherokee mom2

March 24th, 2010
11:19 am

@u cant handle the truth: I agree that the right to bear arms should not be in question…I don’t think anyone really disagrees with that. But the right to carry them around in public is an entirely different issue. it’s not as though you need to rise up against a tyrannical government every time you walk out the door. The citizens should not have to live in fear every day from crazies who will shoot you just b/c you’ve cut them off on the road or disagreed with them about something. And while YOU may not be one to respond that way, listen to some of the radicals just here in this blog and tell me the thought of a gun in their hands doesn’t scare the bejeezes out of you!

Dan

March 24th, 2010
11:22 am

Colleges are much different than High Schools, they are attended largely by legal adults and should be subject to the laws of the municipality in which it is located. Pretty simple

[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Ron Simon and Maureen Downey, Doug Goff. Doug Goff said: Gun poll: Majority want no weapons in high schools or colleges http://bit.ly/bFas4x [...]

consistency

March 24th, 2010
12:43 pm

I bet a vast majority of people who are pushing for this bill are the ones who are against Obama’s health plan and complain about the Democrat not listening to the “will of the people.” I guess it’s ok to ignore the will of the people if it goes against your will…

David S

March 24th, 2010
12:44 pm

Apparently the majority of people are content knowing that a prospective mass shooter will know exactly where there will be a “gun-free” zone to do his/her killing at. Just look at where virtually every mass shooting has taken place in the past 2 decades. Supposedly “gun-free zones.” Just the facts people.

Are these people comfortable with a police officer carrying a gun into any of these places? Of course they are. For some reason they trust that an officer would not violate the law, but that all of the rest of us would. A basic search for stories of un-provoked police violence and other crimes committed by uniformed police and off-duty police should set that record straight.

You either believe in the sanctity of life and believe that everyone should be entitled to preserve their own as they see fit, or you believe that the majority or the state has a right to dispense with that right to self-preservation.

Kids used to bring .22 rifles to school for shooting classes and for target practise on the way home. Now with thousands of laws against gun ownership, possession, carry, and the like we are no safer but we are far less free. The connection is much more than coincidental.

tinsley fritts

March 24th, 2010
1:11 pm

Let me get this straight. The GA legislature thinks citizens of this once brave country are afraid to go to church without a gun? To go to the airport without a gun? What a bunch of sniveling limp wrists they would have us be.

u cant handle the truth

March 24th, 2010
1:33 pm

for most conceal carry permit holders u will never see a gun in our hand. we (I) know that its for protection only; VA has an open carry law and I have not heard of an open carry person going all postal (sry bout that). I did read a post about maybe training certain teachers to carry on campus; and i can agree with that because its just a matter of time before a shooting happens or god forbid terrrorist attack an american school. I mean if 10 armed men brought India(?) to a stand still what would 100 armed drug thugs coming up from mexico do to america. Dont think im trying to be all racial on that, its just 30 years ago we declared “war on drugs” what happens when they start fighting back

Cherokee mom2

March 24th, 2010
1:35 pm

@tinsley fritts: Is carrying a gun what makes you a brave man? Hmmm unimpressed!

DeKalb Conservative

March 24th, 2010
1:39 pm

I think this sign pretty much sums up the debate

http://boortz.com/nealz_nuze/2010/03/a-sign.html

Sign Reads – “My next door neighbor wants to ban all guns! Their home is not armed. Out of respect for their opinions I promise to not use my guns to protect them.”

DeKalb Conservative

March 24th, 2010
1:42 pm

@ tinsley fritts

There is a point on guns at the airport. Short of having a direct tunnel from Midtown to Arrivals and Departures, I standing strong that guns at the airport should be allowed. Heck, maybe the Census can do a little counting action in the surrounding neighborhoods around the neighborhood to estimate the felones w/ guns, or the people carrying a gun w/o a carry permit.

DeKalb Conservative

March 24th, 2010
1:44 pm

@ Maureen

Any way of getting a better demographic breakdown of survey? I really didn’t need to read the, pardon the pun, bullet points, to know what the results were. I just had to look at the sponsor.

Cherokee mom2

March 24th, 2010
1:45 pm

@DeKalb Conservative: Addendum to sign..”I cannot, however, promise that my kid won’t kill your kid with my gun, accidentally or otherwise.”

Georgia Teacher

March 24th, 2010
3:17 pm

As a veteran and CCW permit holder, I firmly believe having anyone other than a POST certified officer carrying a weapon in a school is a bad idea. There are just too many things that could go wrong.

Just an example: Student draws a knife and holds another student as a hostage. Should the teacher with the weapon draw and fire? Can he/she safely engage the target while keeping the other student alive? The guys who do hostage rescue for a living train year round on this sort of thing and even they would be hesitant and rightfully so.

The most likely scenarios: teacher injures self with loaded weapon in school or teacher has weapon stolen by a student.

Everyone is terrified of another school shooting, but look what the teacher in Colorado did earlier this year! He, and another teacher subdued a gunman without having a gun of their own! The most important weapon anyone has in a crisis is brains. Keep a cool head and do what must be done.

Freedom Education

March 24th, 2010
3:23 pm

I have been carrying my gun to my university for years and have not had any problems. It’s good to be free, and remember, it’s a God given right to protect oneself.

Freedom Education

March 24th, 2010
3:29 pm

Georgia Teacher, you should have done some research first.

“2002 shooting at Appalachian Law School was stopped when a student retrieved a gun from his car and confronted the shooter. Likewise, Pearl, Miss., school shooter Luke Woodham was stopped when the school’s vice principal took a .45 from his truck and ran to the scene.”

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2007/04/18/2007-04-18_people_dont_stop_killers_people_with_gun.html#ixzz0j7kB1WUa

Cherokee mom2

March 24th, 2010
4:21 pm

@Freedom Education: Which God gave you that right, please?!

DeKalb Conservative

March 24th, 2010
5:01 pm

@Cherokee mom2 you do realize gun crime when up about 25% in the UK when they banned handguns a few years back? Something weird about when you have no guns, only criminals will have guns. I don’t know, crazy concept. I do know for what few gun accidents that occur among children annually, though each individually tragic, don’t even remotely compare to the higher fatality rate of criminals breaking into homes, only be shot (often repeatly) by a homeowner. While the unneccessary gun accident death of a child is easy to be sympathetic to, it is perhaps more emotional the death of a child that came from a home that was unarmed, especially since that parent now has to carry the burden of not protecting the family for the remainder of his/her own life.

If there weren’t bad people looking to hurt mothers, fathers, and kids in their homes, Nancy Grace wouldn’t have a career.

Freedom Education

March 24th, 2010
5:41 pm

Very well said DeKalb Conservative.
More children die from swimming pool accidents than guns, but I don’t see pools being band any time soon.

Cherokee mom2
Here is the God that I’m talking about in regards to rights.

“that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed…” The Declaration of Independence

[...] posted here: Gun poll: Majority want no weapons in high schools or colleges … Share and [...]

Tom2

March 24th, 2010
7:00 pm

A majority also elected the current crop of incompetent fools. Hopefully, this nation will again become free. Too bad about the current majority of socialists in our heretofore nation of self-reliant, independent free men.

Patrick

March 24th, 2010
8:14 pm

30,000 die by firearm each year. Up to 2.5 million times a year firearms are used defensively though only a small fraction of those incidents involve the discharge of a firearm. I am a firearm owner and not a republican. I know some of the first gun control laws in this country were inacted to keep guns out of the hands of former slaves after the Civil War. Like many firearm owners I wish that we didn’t have to discuss the issue all the time either, unfortunately there are those in this country who feel they need to restrict my rights for my own good. If they continue to attempt to remove my rights then I have no choice but to defend them. If guns scare you by all means don’t own one. Guns or no, the world remains a dangerous place, accidents, crime and disease will continue to cut lives short and all the wishful thinking in the world isn’t going to change that. Legislation will be no more effective.

Cherokee mom2

March 24th, 2010
8:38 pm

@Freedom Education: Oh, so the Constitution is your God.. because that was written by man; nowhere in any bible have I read that GOD said men should carry guns. But, never mind…the point is that the majority-that does mean MOST of the people- do not want the populace running around in public with guns…feel free to play happily with your “bang-bangs” at home.

Cherokee mom2

March 24th, 2010
8:45 pm

@ tom2…have you actually looked at the logic of your statement?! The majority is “incompetent fools” b/c they disagree with you, right? So, when the majority swings your way, are they still incompetent fools…or brilliant b/c they agreed with you? If the majority all thought folks should brandish their guns in public, they would be as smart as you…but since they don’t, they are fools. And b/c the majority of this country voted for Obama they are fools. But what about the brilliant people who voted Bush into office and then voted for Obama b/c Bush was an idiot…were they brilliant people who just became fools later?? Hmmmmm-quite a puzzle, indeed!

bootney farnsworth

March 24th, 2010
9:26 pm

at first I was considering an actual response to Cherokee Mom, but after reading her nonstop demogaugery ….

it would be more effective, infomrative, and intellectually honest to talk to the cat box.

Cherokee mom2

March 24th, 2010
9:57 pm

bootney farnsworth…Now if you could just spell any of that correctly…nah, don’t bother-there’s nothing impressive about personal attacks. Come back when you can do more than that.

Freedom Education

March 25th, 2010
8:59 am

Cherokee mom2 stated, “the point is that the majority-that does mean MOST of the people- do not want the populace running around in public with guns.” What you are talking about is living in a democracy. Thomas Jefferson said that democracy is when 51% of the people take away the rights of the 49%. Thank God that we live in a republic where it is the individual right that prevails over mob rule.

Philosopher

March 25th, 2010
9:58 am

@Freedom Education:If you don’t think theat 49% of the people running around with guns in public isn’t mob rule, what do you think that it is?

Ole Guy

March 25th, 2010
11:41 am

Prior to entering a combat zone, Military personnel are briefed…taught, if you will…on Rules Of Engagement, and legal ramifications on the reckless use of weapons. Of course, almost from day one, these folks receive basic training in the maintenance and proper employment of firearms. And, of course, all Military personnel undergo “sustained training”, or periodic refreshers.

Outside of paying a fee, and POSSIBLY having to undergo one-time cursory training, the civilian community has very little motivation to voluntarily undergo weapons indoctrination to any degree of intensity as that required of those charged with National Defense.

Just as the ole saying goes about giving a man enough rope and he’ll hang himself, these so-called freedoms, in the absence of the associated responsibilities of training and control, can only, in the long run, destroy our civilization. Self-protection? Sure, it’s a right…however, a few responsibilities need to go along with that right, otherwise, in the long run, it’s just another rope.

Momof2

March 25th, 2010
1:16 pm

My two cents – the presence of guns in school is not consistent with the purpose of a school. Don’t tell me about riflery class – if there are no music or language classes there better not be a budget for riflery class.
The other thing to remember is that any available gun is like a magnet for many children. I LOVED playing with my great-grandfather’s 6-shooter (a fancy museum piece) when I was about 5 years old and if there had been any bullets around I would probably have become an only child. How many guns do your children see every day on TV? They do not have the capacity to recognize the horror that a gun can cause, and the matter of fact, no big deal attitude they see on TV and in movies does not help.
Frankly, if you think you need to carry a gun around with you on a casual basis I’m worried for you – and would prefer not to be in the same places as you. I’d rather everyone got along by behaving well and being considerate and not because we’re all trying to avoid being shot at.

Ookoshi

March 25th, 2010
1:51 pm

Every time a gun rights bill comes through, all of the gun control advocates makes the same false argument. They argue that wherever we decide to allow people with gun permits to carry, it will turn into some old western with wild west shootouts. Except, it’s never happened. Even in states where anyone can legally carry firearms anywhere (Vermont is such a state), there have not been any influx of gun related crime. Never. Not once. In fact, Vermont has one of the lowest violent crime rates in the nation.

You cannot legislate your kids into behaving morally. Do you honestly think that a law banning firearms in any location is really going to stop a criminal or someone who doesn’t care about consequences? You want schools to be safe? Then do your job as parents and make them safe.

You have to be 21 to get a firearm permit in Georgia. No one is talking about letting high school students run around with guns. K-12 schools isn’t even part of the current legislation. We’re talking about properly permitted adults being able to protect their students, their sons, and their daughters. We’re talking about being able to protect yourself in the area around Georgia Tech campus, where the crime rate is higher than most anywhere in Atlanta.

And, for the people here implying there’s something wrong with someone who wants to have a gun to protect themselves, and that you’d rather not be around them and get shot. Let me ask you something. Those people with permits aren’t the ones committing crime. They aren’t the ones doing the shooting. Most of them would only fire a weapon if their life or someone else’s life was in danger. Having a gun doesn’t give you license to gun down some kid spray painting a wall. Contrary to popular belief, guns that are in holsters don’t jump out of their holsters and start shooting people. A person who has a gun permit and a gun in their holster is no more dangerous to you to any other law abiding citizen. Instead of wasting so much breath and energy fighting against other law abiding citizens, why don’t you direct that energy toward a real threat to your children, the criminals who wouldn’t follow any gun control you might pass anyways.

Philosopher

March 25th, 2010
4:40 pm

Ole Guy..we have more to agree on than disagree, I think…very interesting.
Hmmm…noticed that none of these folks who are so hot to carry guns around and wanting college kids to carry them, too, are over in the other bog voicing any opinions about the kids’ lack luster reading abilities….just found it interesting.

owlafaye

March 30th, 2010
12:32 pm

Stephen…since when does a contemporary Christian in America follow the teachings of Jesus?