Cobb: Schools confront a $100 million deficit. Jobs will be cut.

For the last three weeks, we have been talking about the extensive DeKalb and Fulton school cuts, but now the focus shifts to Cobb where a spokesman said today that the county is facing a $100 million deficit. (Next up: Gwinnett.)

“We have already taken steps to let our staff know that this is going to be a very difficult budget year that is going to result in cuts of programs and definitely jobs,” school system spokesman Jay Dillon told the AJC on Thursday. “It is the worst anybody has seen … nothing is off the table.”

According to the AJC story:

The district says it suffered a $109 million loss in revenue from the homestead exemption and a freebie allowed since the 1970s that prohibits school property taxes from being levied on those age 62 and up. State funding cuts since 2003 have deprived Cobb of $197 million, district officials say.

Cobb employs more than 15,000 people. It began the school year with a budget deficit of about $58 million. By winter, Dillon said, that figure reached the $100 million threshold despite cost-cutting measures like a 2 percent pay reduction for staff, furlough days for teachers and other employees, and the elimination of programs and 14 technical support jobs. The district even dipped into its reserve fund, shifting $10 million to stop the hemorrhaging.

A parent video on the district’s Web site says that Cobb is in a “budget crisis.” Colorful pie charts and figures in bold red type flash on the screen warning that the school district is losing millions as the state continues to whack education funding and residents enjoy property tax discounts few neighboring counties allow.

“Now, like never before, education funding is facing a crisis that will result in a loss of services, academic programs and jobs,” the parent video says. “These changes will impact our children’s education and the quality of life we have come to expect. It is important that you as a taxpayer understand the basics of the school district budget so that you are prepared as the changes are approved and implemented. Your opinion on what should be prioritized will play an important role as decisions are made.’’

Dillon said that Cobb has not decided exactly which staff positions or programs will be eliminated. More information will be available as the state finishes its budget process. The district’s current budget is $883 million. Its next budget will be drafted in the spring and approved by the board on June 9.

Are there any Georgia districts that aren’t in desperate situations?

106 comments Add your comment

cobb mom

March 11th, 2010
11:49 pm

And yet Cobb is expected to send I-don’t-know-how many millions to be redistributed to other counties under QBE. My kid has to sit in a classroom with 30 other kids, but my tax dollars are going elsewhere…what is wrong with this picture???

Why would we rather tax people in hospitals than allow alcohol sales on Sunday? Why would we rather cut education instead of raise the cigarette tax?? (and I don’t want to hear about that being a “tax on poor people” – some of those poor people are saving close to $30 per week per kid because they have free lunch – they can afford another buck on the cancer sticks). Why are we so dead set against allowing OTB or online gambling??? Why can’t we have a “Thanks for passing through Georgia” toll on I-95??? (works for Delaware). Why can’t we sell family appropriate advertising on the sides of school buses? Why can’t we get more creative?

Binford2K

March 12th, 2010
12:51 am

Did any counties anywhere ever save money or think about the future? The problem with government entities that they always spend all of the money in very inefficient ways, and never save any for when times may be tough. This lack of forethought is such a disease in our society!

That said, why don’t we cut all school jobs and let the kid slide further behind the world curve. That way, when the Chinese come in, they can implement what they want.

Seriously, about all politicians and government entities in the US should be vacated and people that actually know what they are doing and not on the lobby dole should make common sense decisions on how to run things. I’d rather be paying taxes for things that make our society better as a whole than 2 wars the have not really produced what they intended (more Iraq than Afghanistan). How many trillions have we spent over there?

They give HUGE contracts to Principals and Superintendents – start with voiding them! Cut the highest salaries for politicians, county commissioners, and over-paid (even in good times) lackeys.

Without education, the state and country will fall behind – never to catch up again.

Wake up people. Let us streamline as best we can, but take the hit for a core societal institution.

Free Market Educator

March 12th, 2010
2:49 am

Well, I guess they’ve discovered that public education is neither a “right” nor a Constitutional mandate. The Law of Economics is as reliable as gravity. If you continue to buy what you cannot afford, eventually you lose your shirt.

specialist teacher

March 12th, 2010
4:06 am

Still not understanding why every other metro county has a plan that has been revealed to teachers and the public on how they are going to deal with the budget crisis. Why is Cobb the lone county that has to “wait” for the legislature before making a budget? The only county that doesn’t have enough information yet to announce options for cuts? Will the media demand the answers? We all know Cobb doesn’t listen to parents, teachers, or a grand jury! So, it’s up to the media to demand full disclosure!

GA Teach

March 12th, 2010
6:24 am

They have to spend the money or they will lose it to other programs. That is the way government spending works. You spend what you have so they will give you more the next year because you did not have enough last year.

tcherlady77

March 12th, 2010
7:16 am

In Cobb, we are top heavy and yes I’m a Cobb teacher. Area superintendents are a waste. I have never laid eyes on my area superintedent and I’ve been in my school for four years! Area special education cluster supervisors should go next. Those two positions do not affect the classroom in the least bit. If Sanderson and his cronies were so concerned, Sanderson would forfeit his bonus. Last time I checked, he was not in my classroom actually teaching my kids, helping my school make AYP. Cobb is a joke – and as soon as I can, I will be taking my 10+ years of experience and certifications and go elsewhere.

LSH

March 12th, 2010
7:31 am

The article says “nothing is off the table”. I don’t see a massive cut to the sports program being considered. I think sports are great and needed when our kids are getting fatter and more unhealthy. But how is it that a program that costs so much money has has almost nothing to do with test scores and learning is not on the chopping block during these extreme times?

Steve

March 12th, 2010
7:36 am

Welcome to government spending run amok!!

I can’t fathom why anyone could possibly think the government can run health care with the continual failures of smaller programs. Local, state, or federal, it makes no difference. If there is one thing that has been proven time and again, it’s that the government is ripe with fradulent spending and rarely plans for it’s own future. Sure, it plans for everyone else, but continues the trend of burdening future taxpayers with more and more debt.

Just think, if we hadn’t have gotten so far in debt with some of the moronic pork politics and other far worse programs (28 person committee to research saving one type of turtoise) over the last few decades, then the government might be able to help work around this.

I do remember something about a famine in Egypt and how proper planning years in advance helped to save the populace over there. One might think we could take a lesson from that. Then again, our liberal manifesto public schools are trying so hard to push Darwinism that they probably ignore such a lesson due to it’s biblical ties.

By the way, I grew up in a 30 person class and I am doing just fine. It’s not the number of people in the class nor the teacher that makes the biggest difference. The biggest difference is the culture and family in which a child is raised. My parents (and the local game arcade) rewarded me handsomely for making good grades and punished me for my failures. This parent interaction is what made all the difference in a school system with terrible scores. There is also no doubt that this version of learning responsibility worked much better than the current ‘blame everyone else’ philosophy that we teach our kids to be perfectly fine by ridiculous programs such as ‘no child left behind’, welfare, and the soon to be the ‘middle-class subsidized health care for those who continually make bad decisions throughout their lives’ program.

say what?

March 12th, 2010
7:38 am

@Binford2K actually GA requires that every school system have 1 month of money for expenses set aside THAT CANNOT BE TOUCHED. Go figure.I would think this is a time to use the savings in part to at least reduce classroom size. But we are in GA.

Cobb may be playing it safe after seeing DeKalb in the AJC everytime something changes at the state level as far as revenue and the changes that the governor reports. When you are proactive, you are raked over the coals, when you wait you are raked over the now cooling coals that DeKalb was raked over. At least Gwinnett has gotten a notice that they are next to be discussed. Hopefully when AJC moves to Gwinnett they will be able to be more critical of Gwinnett schools and government. the excuse for being critical of Atlanta, fulton, and DeKalb has been that they are the closest to the AJC headquarters. Glad they are moving to Gwinnett to ruin it.

Make it a great day.

Too much misinformation

March 12th, 2010
8:05 am

@Binford2K – Actually Georgia has a law that doesn’t allow school systems to save for the future more than 15% of the next year’s expenditures. There really is no “rainy day” fund once the cuts get beyond this.

Millions have been gutted from the local school systems for the past 7 years by Sonny and the Republican legislature. Look at your local school system’s financial reports. There should be a State Revenue schedule and you will see a line item for “Austerity Reduction” or “Amended Formula Adjustment”. Add these up since 2002 and you will see how much state funding has been reduced over the years.

@say what? – There is no such requirement for 1 month of expenses to be set aside. In fact, look for many school systems to have negative balances in the next couple of years due to all of the reduced revenues.

@Free Market Educator – free public education is mandated by the Georgia Constitution.

Worried

March 12th, 2010
8:13 am

Last semester I had 32 ninth graders in my class. Was I able to teach them well? No. Was I able to give individual feedback? No. Yes, it will save money to increase my class size, but it will decrease learning and demoralize the teacher. As more expectations are put on us, more cuts are given. At some point my family will have to come first. I’m not a miracle worker. I need help and support in order to give YOUR child a decent education. Parents, community…please step in and volunteer. Help me with my grading, help me with disciplining your child…maybe then I won’t feel so exhausted and I can give my children the love and attention they need. If you keep burdening us, the trickle down effect may not be pleasant. I love teaching, but the pressure is becoming surreal.

Jen

March 12th, 2010
8:14 am

It is not just Cobb county.Cherokee has budget cuts, too. In fact, this is really a nationwide crisis, from what I’ve been reading, lately.

Rick

March 12th, 2010
8:18 am

We would have more money to spend on the children of US citizens and legal residents if we were not spending hundreds of millions of dollars on K-12 educations of the children of illegal aliens. This happens in each county from the metro-Atlanta area. $10,000 for each child each year starts to add up very fast. We need politicians that will put the interests of US citizens before those of foreign nationals in our country illegally!

Hey, It's Enrico Pallazzo!

March 12th, 2010
8:29 am

Georgia has 159 counties, which is second only to Texas (254). Each of these counties has a BOE, a superintendent and a central office. Instead of adding another (Milton), the state should be combining the less populated counties to reduce the amount of administrators. The redundancy of this old system costs millions every year. It would also save on adminstration of county services as well. Even more money could be saved.

Vince

March 12th, 2010
8:31 am

All of you criticizing government spending and school spending forget that it was the private sector (the banking industry) that got us into this current mess.

Stupid Gov't

March 12th, 2010
8:32 am

There are so many ways that we can raise money for our state. 1) alcohol sales on Sunday would be huge 2) legal gambling or casino’s 3)tolls on 75 and 85 entering and Atlanta 4) eliminating 5 principles at our schools- check out schools websites- they have 4 assit. prin. at each high school. One is in charge of 9th and 12th, one in charge of 10th, and so on. My wife is a school teacher in Fulton Co. and they waste millions on stupid things…example. They spent 10 million on text books that never even got used. They are sitting in a warehouse because it was the wrong cirri. for the kids. They have kids that need to be a special needs schools that have challenges, that are taking up time and money and they aren’t getting the help they deserve. There are so many other things out there that are a waste. There are also some teachers out there that don’t deserve to be a teacher. They should go back and look at these teachers each year or two and see how they are doing. By cutting teachers down the board, they are eliminating good teachers and keeping the dumb ones that hate kids. That is just an example..not true all across the board.
Why is it that a local citizen can see all of this but the people that make $300,000 a year are so blind. We should call for all of there jobs and get people that really care. Obama, were are our children’s bailout? Thanks for saving the crooks on Wall Street… maybe our children that don’t get a good education can join them in 20 years because all they will learn is how to steal to better themself.
Bottom line is that our State Government has no idea what they are doing!!!!!!! The all should be fired!!!!

Jen

March 12th, 2010
8:37 am

Oh, and even though I believe we have a nationwide crisis, I think our state should be responding better. Approving money for a new sports dome in the midst of these educational cuts sort of suggests to me where their priorities are…

MOBFIGURE

March 12th, 2010
8:57 am

If the District is truly trying to save money they should reduce the size of the Central office staff and increase the size of the local school staff. For instance, Cobb county schools definitely needs more Social Workers and Counselors at every level. After the Austell floods, it is obvious that the school district needs more support personnel in order to address future calamities.

blackbird13

March 12th, 2010
9:11 am

Alcohol sales on Sunday, regardless of the budget situation, should be allowed. Would someone please explain to me how prohibiting Sunday sales is not a violation of the First Amendment?
And please, don’t even try the “it would increase duis and domestic violence” argument. If that is the reason, then Friday night sales are what should be banned. And if people are truly worried about the increase in duis, make dui a felony and increase the fines.

Sick&Tired

March 12th, 2010
9:29 am

Actually, I believe a 1 cent sales tax across the entire state is best. Why should only the smokers, alcoholics and unhealthy people pay for this crisis? They didn’t cause it and will have to sacrifice as well. By the way, I don’t smoke, drink and I am considerably healthy.

Why do we always want to punish a specific group for the ills of all of us?

jj

March 12th, 2010
9:42 am

School districts ARE required to have 5% of their total budget in reserves. Before all this mess started Cobb had over $100,000,000 in reserves, which seems like a lot until you realize the District had over a $1bb budget at the time. So we had around 10% in reserves but on a $1bb budget that is only about 45 days of cash.
If you go on any Cobb County school web site and look at total staff, and then count teachers of the basics, Math, Science, Social Studies, and English you will find they rarely make up 50% of the total.
The liberals have demended specialists for everything and everyone; come to our country illegally and can’t speak the language, no problem we have a specialest for that…….and the list goes on and on. NCLB, mainstreaming, resource specialist, curricula specialist, multiple levels of councilors…..they all cost!
If less than 50% of staff teach and 90% of the budget is salary, then $400mm of the current budget is for some type of support, not teaching.
Parents may need to pick up the slack with their own child and stop expecting the educational system to be educator, parent, guardian, and moral compass. I’m sure I will come across as heartless but if you had the child you take care of them, the “village” can’t afford it any more. I don’t have a problem if my taxes go up to support education and I don’t have any children in the school system.

Aquagirl

March 12th, 2010
9:43 am

Cobb is home to Lockheed-Martin. They could sell one of those $113 million F-35’s at a yard sale.

commonsense

March 12th, 2010
10:01 am

Isn’t this the same county that is spending over a million to put artificial turf in all the county football stadiums?

Tone Loc

March 12th, 2010
10:15 am

Never ceases to amaze me at the complaining people do. If you don’t like your situation…leave the situation. Don’t like the way things are being run…run for public office yourself! Bottom line, those thinking Cobb is so bad, go ahead and leave to another district…we will see you back here posting about how well you had it in Cobb.

Cutty

March 12th, 2010
10:21 am

Yeah JJ, its the liberals running things in fiscally, conservative (or so I thought) Cobb County.

Ray

March 12th, 2010
10:28 am

Seriously though, could anything better define us as ‘backwards’ than the states handling of our children’s education?

And what’s up with the AJC referring to the increase of class size and a shorter school year as being ‘help’ for schools?

At the same time the GOP faux cries with a concern for how the deficit will ’saddle’ our children with debt, they are all too eager to rob those same kids of a decent education.

Yes, BACKWARDS.

KMA

March 12th, 2010
10:30 am

How can Cobb School system continue to let supervisors drive county vehicles home and any where they desire? Mr. Sanderson and Mr. Dillon should be willing to for go there bonus. What a waste also too many empty school buses.

Bow Your Head in Shame, COBB!!!

March 12th, 2010
10:33 am

Also from the same article:

Poore said that last year several young teachers were let go after their third year before they could become tenured in what he believes was a cost-saving strategy. Some of the teachers whose contracts were not renewed for a fourth year had been recruited nationally and internationally to make the staff more diverse, he said.

“Many were in good standing their first two years,” he said. “In the third year all of a sudden we are in a budget crunch, the person didn’t have tenure, and they were released.”

Dillon said contract nonrenewals are not used for cost-cutting, but are disciplinary in nature for performance issues.

Poore said he understands the district also is considering not paying teachers a stipend for having master’s degrees and doctorates. “There is only so much you can do for morale when your paycheck keeps getting smaller,” he said.

*****
They literally destroyed some young teachers!!! Why couldn’t they have have just said that we cannot renew you because the budget won’t allow it? Why did they have to fabricate disciplinary and unfounded performance lies and destroy these people’s lives? Slime bags!!! The whole system should collapse until they get some scrupulous leaders.

TeachinCobb

March 12th, 2010
10:38 am

Not pay stipends to teachers holding advanced degrees? I can see this if the teacher has a master’s in educational administration, but stays in the classroom. What about those for whom a master’s degree is required by the state for their particular subject area certification? Not fair in my book.

Jim007

March 12th, 2010
10:44 am

Where is all that Lottery Money Going ???

Bow Your Head in Shame, COBB!!!

March 12th, 2010
10:44 am

From the same AJC article:

Poore said that last year several young teachers were let go after their third year before they could become tenured in what he believes was a cost-saving strategy. Some of the teachers whose contracts were not renewed for a fourth year had been recruited nationally and internationally to make the staff more diverse, he said.

“Many were in good standing their first two years,” he said. “In the third year all of a sudden we are in a budget crunch, the person didn’t have tenure, and they were released.”

Dillon said contract nonrenewals are not used for cost-cutting, but are disciplinary in nature for performance issues.

Poore said he understands the district also is considering not paying teachers a stipend for having master’s degrees and doctorates. “There is only so much you can do for morale when your paycheck keeps getting smaller,” he said.

*****
Why did they have to literally destroy the lives of some young teachers for no good reason other than to cut their budget? Why didn’t they just tell them that they couldn’t afford to renew they? NOOOOOO, they had to cut the rug from under these people with lies of destruction about disciplinary or performance covers. They are slime bags!! After these young people spent their money to prepare for this noble profession, some with young children and life responsibilities, to have them just slit their throats like pigs at slaughter was a sin and a shame.

It’s personal to me because my daughter was one. Three years a star teacher according to the same principal who in the fourth…tenure…year followed the now obvious school system directive and destroy a persons future. The evaluation to accomplish their goal follows those teachers to another system and negatively affects their chance of getting hired somewhere else.

I’m sorry readers. This article and the revelations in it just brought the anger back up in me.

jj

March 12th, 2010
10:51 am

Cutty, you are right I shouldn’t have made my crack about liberals, but it also appears you missed the whole point of what I wrote.
The social agenda, be it from liberal or conservative, is no longer affordable. Let teachers teach and stop asking them to be the parents. If you take “social services” out of the school budget you have plenty of money for education. And compared to most counties in the US Cobb gets very high marks for how it is managed. It’s a long way from perfect but better than most, how would you like to be in California or Illionis with their budget problems?

Do some research folks

March 12th, 2010
10:53 am

Before you start blabbing Rush Limbaugh talking points, talking about bloated administration, or blaming this on illegal immigrants(that’s a really tiny cost folks) watch this video on the Cobb 2010 budget and inform yourself.
http://www.http://www.cobbk12.org/.org/

1. SPLOST by law can only be used for capital projects. It doesn’t fund teachers salaries or operating costs.
2. Cobb has the lowest administrative costs in the entire metro.
3. Cobb is virtually the only place where people 62 and up don’t pay school property taxes. If they did we wouldn’t have a problem
4. The federal government only provides about 1% budget(mostly grants), so this isn’t an issue of federal funding.
5. Cobb through QBE basically donates 100 million to the state that goes to mostly rural school districts. People whine a lot about south Cobb or Fulton about south Fulton, but the real wealth distribution in this state is suburbs to rural areas. I guess complaining about mostly working class and poor white people benefiting from suburban wealth doesn’t fit a lot of peoples agenda as well as complaining about poor minorities.
6. Once again building projects, football stadiums, new schools, etc. are funded mostly by SPLOST not property taxes. Get your facts straight.
7. Cobb spends more on classroom instruction in relation to administrative costs than almost anywhere in the state, so cuts in the general fund will cost classroom teachers their jobs and increase class sizes.

Please folks this is serious. Don’t blabber unless you know the facts. It’s not productive to use platitudes. We can either make people 62 and over pay more property taxes or increase class sizes and dismiss classroom teachers in good standing. If that happens Cobb will lose their trust and many will leave the county and never come back. If this happens Cobb will have a harder time recruiting teachers because teachers won’t trust the Cobb school system. Cobb got where it is on the reputation of schools, so if schools decline Cobb goes with it along with your property values.

Bow Your Head in Shame, COBB!!!

March 12th, 2010
10:55 am

Not only is what Mr. Poore said true, unless you lived it, you CANNOT IMAGINE the emotional abuse that these principals put the victimized teachers through. We suspected that it was to reduce the budget and tell the other counties that they didn’t have to lay off as some of them did, but instead, what was not widely known was that the Cobb system slit the throats of young teachers to cut their budget and looked like a success story that could manage their budget better than others. LIES!!! They played dirtier. Sinfully dirtier.

Bow Your Head in Shame, COBB!!!

March 12th, 2010
10:57 am

I guess my first post got eaten up at the AJC buffet.

RJ

March 12th, 2010
10:57 am

From my understanding, Henry county has informed music and art teachers that their positions will be cut next year as well.

Do some research folks

March 12th, 2010
11:01 am

Before you start blabbing Rush Limbaugh talking points, talking about bloated administration, or blaming this on illegal immigrants(that’s a really tiny cost folks) watch this video on the Cobb 2010 budget and inform yourself.
http://www.http://www.cobbk12.org/.org/

1. SPLOST by law can only be used for capital projects. It doesn’t fund teachers salaries or operating costs.
2. Cobb has the lowest administrative costs in the entire metro.
3. Cobb is virtually the only place where people 62 and up don’t pay school property taxes. If they did we wouldn’t have a problem
4. The federal government only provides about 1% budget(mostly grants), so this isn’t an issue of federal funding.
5. Cobb through QBE basically donates 100 million to the state that goes to mostly rural school districts. People whine a lot about south Cobb or Fulton about south Fulton, but the real wealth distribution in this state is suburbs to rural areas. I guess complaining about mostly working class and poor white people benefiting from suburban wealth doesn’t fit a lot of people agenda as much as complaining about poor minorities.
6. Once again building projects, football stadiums, new schools, etc. are funded mostly by SPLOST not property taxes. Get your facts straight.
7. Cobb spends more on classroom instruction in relation to administrative costs almost anywhere in the state, so cuts in the general fund will cost classroom teachers their jobs and increase class sizes.

Please folks this is serious. Don’t blabber unless you know the facts. It’s not productive to us platitudes. We can either make people 62 and over pay more property taxes or increase class sizes and dismiss classroom teachers in good standing. If that happens Cobb will lose their trust and many will leave the county and never come back. From now on Cobb will have a harder time recruiting teachers because teachers won’t trust the Cobb school system. Cobb go where it is on the reputation of schools, so if schools decline Cobb goes with it along with your property values.

John Q

March 12th, 2010
11:02 am

I see a huge teacher walkout next year if salaries are cut again. These people spent their own money to earn advanced degrees in their subject area to further their education, to become better educators, and Cobb wants to cut the stipend for it???
Cut the leadership stipend, reduce admin in each school.
Remember that the majority of teachers are still women and a large % of are second income earning in their homes! It’s not a far strecth to think that they would not just leave rather than stay around for this disrepect and abuse.
CCSD raise thew millage rate.
Ga. lawmakers implement a short term 1 cent sales tax on everything. Put politics aside and do everything you can to save what education we have in Ga. Everyone knows that republicans are ‘all in’ when it comes to vouchers and charters but what is the difference between the system at we currently have and a future all voucher system. Both will be controlled by state revenue from yr to yr. Voucher parents will never have a dependable dollar amount from the state.
When all the current teachers that are believed to be so bad are rehired at all the private schools/charter schools to handle the influx of students running from broke public schools, won’t we be right back in the same boat.

Musicteacher

March 12th, 2010
11:04 am

@RJ: I teach in Henry County. Half of the elementary art and music positions have been cut for next year. Each teacher will serve two schools.

Angry in Cobb

March 12th, 2010
11:06 am

I am a former Cobb teacher and the wife of a current Cobb teacher. I think we need to re-evaluate why we have so many 6-figured salaries for positions at the Admin building. These useless people will keep their jobs, even though they have never proven a direct benefit to kids in the classroom. For each of these useless admin positions, we stand to lose 2, 3, or 4 classroom teachers.

When you think about who has the most impact on a student’s education and achievement, the only answer is the classroom teacher. Let’s cut everything but teachers: extra-curricular programs (yes, I do mean SPORTS), field trips, and other non-essentials. We’re already 49th in education, which is really embarrassing. Everyone is facing budget cuts, but have found other ways to slash spending. How about a 4 day school week? Shortening the school year? Removing the useless professional development days before and after the school year?

And what about the millions in SPLOST dollars that have been approved for astroturf? Why can’t we have some kind of special election to reroute these funds? Think of how many jobs that would save.

JustWondering

March 12th, 2010
11:07 am

I know lets spend all the money on WARS.

dadincobb

March 12th, 2010
11:10 am

Raise property taxes to comparable levels of other ATL metro area counties. Cobb Education people are so proud of SLOST. That’s great, we will have new windows at my kids school, but a loss of teachers. At one PTA meeting the School Board member bragged of how Cobb School district is so disciplined, and has no debt, thus keeping property taxes down for residents. He also explained how 99% of the revenue(non-SPLOST)is used for salaries and other essentials such as utilities. Well that is a wonderful plan, if there is any shortfall in revenues from taxes, that means your broke and in immediately in trouble. Our PTA in past years has spent money on high tech white boards and student feedback remote controls. Sounds wonderful, until you realize that teachers have limited budgets (that often run out) to make copies for standard classroom work. I hope the board has enough intelligence to cut waste and get back to what is essential to education. I hope organizations that support schools (PTA for example), step up and make good decisions regarding parent/community monetary support. Just more evidence of government stupidity, even at the local level. This is trickle down disaster from the federal level on down to PTA organiations.

John Q

March 12th, 2010
11:15 am

The biggest problem is this… until this directly affects little Susie and little Johnnie, a large portion of parents just do not care. Less than 15% parent participation in our school. We are at a very successful Cobb HS. Unfortunately, school has become a child sitting service for most parents. They have no idea what happens on a daily basis at their child’s school and only show up or call when an educator contacts them with a problem. or the parent finally calls the school to set-up a password so they can check grades the last week before finals.
Shameful.
Educators in the classromm will lose their careers because parents are sitting by letting the state and Cobb Board add 5 to 8 students to HS classrooms. Removing all hope of discipline in schools.
Your child will be sitting in a class, on the floor, with a low paid ($8 p/hr) staffer supervising the group while one teacher in a classroom down the hall teaches subject matter over a closed-circuit tv.
Believe it!

Why Not?

March 12th, 2010
11:26 am

Cobb County Schools has not raised the miliage rate in years. Why not increase the rate–Cobb is much lower than neighboring counties–maybe they should think about this as an option rather than get rid of teachers.

Also, part-time teachers are so valuable. They have more experience, expertise, loyalty, county does not have to pay for benefits, and you get 4 classes taught for the price of one full-time teacher who only teaches 3 classes per day. So sad to get rid of many valuable teachers!

a thought

March 12th, 2010
11:31 am

I can’t go to board meetings and present these ideas because we are bullied into not attending for fear of losing our jobs- so much for zero tolerance on bullying!

Get rid of all these textbook adoptions- waste of money

Get rid of all the area superintendents and all these people with assistants to assistants

Put a referendum out to vote to the citizens of Cobb to re-route SPLOST money in times of need (that 88 million of astro-turf could cover a lot of the shortage). Put limits on it that is a one time deal!

Do NOT rebuild Clarkdale- use that money for other things.

Sell the now useless Senteo technology to other districts.

Same with all the projectors that are brand new but being replaced because of another company winning that bid.

Sell the useless white pull down screens that you mounted Smart & Promethean boards overtop.

Once a month, have a 4 day school week. It only will add about 16-18 minutes to the rest of the month’s school days. That saves transportation costs, utilities, & energy costs.

Remove all the coffee pots, microwaves, refrigerators, fancy lights, and other extraneous items from the classroom. There is a break room, use the fridge there- this would save THOUSANDS on the electric bill.

John Q

March 12th, 2010
11:34 am

raising the millage rate would solve a big chunk of the problems along with a short term 1% sales tax. property owners are already hit hard. I’d guess a big portion of Cobb students live in apartments so property owners are paying for others. Drop bus service or allow advertising on buses. rename the schools for the highest bidder.

John Q

March 12th, 2010
11:39 am

a thought- I like your ideas. Too bad Cobb teachers are effectively banned from board meeting with many during the day and teachers being scared to speak out. It’s my understanding that all the students and staff at Clarkdale were easily absorbed into local buildings. So it makes no sense to rebuild now. The 4-day wk once a month or more frequent would save dollars and is a great idea.
Cobb claims to have the lowest cost and smallest central staff – make it smaller.

Cobb Taxpayer

March 12th, 2010
11:42 am

This “article” is so full of misinformation and skewed suggestions that it rather pointless to comment on the content ! We need some journalist and PR folks to release and write with reliable and accurate information ! This is simply awful !

a thought

March 12th, 2010
11:44 am

Thanks John Q. I know they make sense…therefore we can pretty much guarantee they will not be used!

A note about that central staff issue- their way of cutting central office by 11% was to pull in the technology group under the central office umbrella (it had never been that way), and cut them about 33%, effectively reducing central office by 11%. Nobody truly at central office lost their job. They didn’t advertise that fact.

Cobb Parent

March 12th, 2010
11:52 am

I think more bus routes need to be consolidated. Walking half a mile to the bus stop is not the end of the world. Or charge students a fee for using the bus just like we charge for school lunches. We also should consider an overhaul of funding sources. I agree with the others – putting advertising on buses, adding in corporate sponsorships in schools and renting out the school facilities for community events all need to be considered.

If cuts in teachers have to happen, make those cuts in peripheral areas first (music, pe, vocational, etc.) and avoid them in core subjects (math, language arts, science, social studies, etc.). Perhaps make these non-core areas tuition classes. Raise student fees so that everything non-teacher related is paid for by students and their families (this would also give people a larger vested interest in their schools and a greater incentive to hold their schools accountable).

When the economy recovers, then we can bring back more free services or drop the corporate money. But right now, if the money’s not there, you either have to produce it or you can’t afford certain luxuries.

dawgfan

March 12th, 2010
11:53 am

@LSH, athletics are funded by booster clubs that are separate from the school. The football stadium football is paid for by a loan the booster club repays along with any other team that uses that facility. Same goes for purchasing uniforms, etc.

John Q

March 12th, 2010
12:07 pm

Did not know that about the tech group. Missed that one. Thanks. dawgfan- you are correct about athletics being paid for by boosters. The avg. Cobb coach makes about $2200 to coach a sport and this number is high because football coaches skew the numbers to the higher side. That’s $2200 for approx. 15 weeks, avg. 20-25 hours per day for typically 6 days a week if you include practice prep, game days and game review. That’s only about $6 per hour.

jeff

March 12th, 2010
12:10 pm

How about this? Put it to the voters..splost money could be used for teacher salaries..I think a majority of voters would support this!!!!

John Q

March 12th, 2010
12:11 pm

Jeff- there’s an idea people can get behind. Write your school board member and your state legislator.

Ole Guy

March 12th, 2010
12:17 pm

Worried, I’m sure your concerns are shared by many of your fellow teachers. 32 students seems to be a size which all but denies the personal attention which goes with effective teaching. Being a member of the Class of 64 (Boomer leading edge), I can remember a rather large homeroom…glancing through my yearbook, I guess there were somewhere in the area of 40-odd kids, multiplied by 4 homerooms. Did we raise hell, both in and out of the classroom? YOU BET WE DID! Were our collective minds on everything but the business at hand? No Doubt! Were we, nonetheless, able to get individual attention when needed? NO DOUBT! This is no reflection on you nor on your fellow teachers, but probably a replay of the same song I have preached before. I remember my teachers as all being somewhere between hi-octane hard chargers and fairly competent, but they all had one thread in common. If anyone decided to pursue any but the task at hand, they were quickly reminded, from one-and-two-time warnings to “licks on the six” to get back on track or visit the office, which almost always translated into more paddlings.

I know, times have changed…ya can’t do this an ya can’t do that. Sometime, probably in the 70s or so, some bureaucrat decided that corporal punishment was not in keeping with hi states of morale and self esteem, and the touchy feely era was launched into oblivious failure.

While we are quick to blame low achievement on you guys, the teachers, we seem to have developed a coorelation between educational expenditures and educational achievements when, in reality, the difference can be traced to that lowly relic of the past, the teachers’ paddle, a chunk of wood which, in today’s dollars, probably cost a buck or two.

Maybe I’m oversimplifying a complex issue…or maybe we have taken a simple issue and cast overwhelming complexities upon it.

LSH

March 12th, 2010
12:20 pm

dawgfan: there is NO WAY that the booster club pays for all the athlectic expenses. Varsity, JV and Freshman teams, uniforms, equipment, a full time athletic director WHO DOES NOT TEACH!, electricty for night and week-end games, electricty for after school, night and week-end practices, busses and gas to transport teams from school to school, security, clean-up after games, INSURANCE!! These are part of the school budget. While I think they are important and valuable, they are not part of the learning that goes on in school.

John Q

March 12th, 2010
12:37 pm

in Cobb Booster do pay for all uniforms and equipment for all teams. Most athletic directors are fulltime administrators or 1/2 day classroom teachers. Will consede the power for lights and bus transportation. Security for games comes from gate receipts. Clean-up is typically a volunteer service groups or paid by the boosters to a school group. Insurance is covered by a county wide student policy that covers all students on campus and in school activities. Football does have to carry extra usually paid by parents. So very little is paid for by schools these days.

dawgfan

March 12th, 2010
12:47 pm

@John Q: Thank you. In regards to bus transportation, much of that has been extremely cut back. I know many teams who now go via car so the parents foot the bill.

volfan11

March 12th, 2010
12:51 pm

Hey, I am not a huge fan of the central office by any stretch of the imagination, but here are some facts. The entire central office, salaries and operating expenses (in Cobb County) runs about 3 million dollars. Even if you get rid of the entire Central Office and sell the land (a la Kansas City School District) you are still looking at a budget deficit over 100 million, since as of right now the deficit is 104 million not 95 million as has been reported. I am a teacher and as much as I hate to admit it, the situation will not get better for another 3 – 5 years. Gone are yearly step raises, cost of living raises and most importantly, respect. I don’t care what parents tell you at open house they do not appreciate everything we do as teachers for their children. Why do you think Cobb hasn’t had a property tax increase in 10 years or has lower millage rates than surrounding counties? Because the parents/voters would never allow it. I average about 60-70 hours per week doing teaching and coaching student athletes. When I was younger, I decided to do the hourly math too. My calculations came to around $3 per hour. I have hear rumors of doing away with coaching stipends too. Hey, that’s fine. I can find lots of second jobs that pay more than $3/hour and work 20 hours a week. Who’s going to coach for free? Are we honestly talking about the end of high school sports in the state of Georgia, gimme a break! Teachers are continually asked to do more for less compensation and people wonder why we are 49th in education! Teachers are not respected as professionals! Someone earlier mentioned that “most teachers are women and are second income earners”, hey I am all that my family has in terms of income, pal! I feel like a colonial in the 1700’s, taxation without representation, can you feel me. Without teachers unions in Georgia, we have no one to stand up for us, well no one with any real clout.

John Q

March 12th, 2010
12:59 pm

Volfan- My apologies. No disrespect meant. Just saying what I’ve seen. There are a lot of men teaching that are the sole bread winners in their familys. Just saying that rteaching is still dominated by women at all levels and many of them are not the primary bread winner.

volfan11

March 12th, 2010
1:01 pm

@ LSH You are obviously from Fulton Co. with the non teaching athletic director, definitely an lofty position. Hey, here’s one for you, how about a head football coach that “teaches” ISS (In School Suspension) ALL DAY! Is there waste, of course there is, after all it is a government run operation.

H.S. Coach

March 12th, 2010
1:05 pm

If nothing is off the board then how about Mr. Sanderson give back his $25,000 pay raise he received this year while everyone else took a 2% pay cut.

volfan11

March 12th, 2010
1:08 pm

@ John Q I appreciate your bringing to light the unbelievable notion that Cobb is considered by taking away our raises for advanced degrees, that is ridiculous. That is sending the wrong message don’t you think. We are telling our students to be “lifelong learners” but lets not reward our teachers for furthering their education. I have a 6-year degree, an EdS, that cost me about $15,000 are you kidding me Cobb County!

RJ

March 12th, 2010
1:09 pm

@musicteacher, thanks for the info. Glad to know that the arts weren’t eliminated, although the quality will dip due to numbers and time contraints.

I think we’re just beginning to see what is to come over the next few months before contracts are dispersed. As a specialist I don’t know what to expect. As a parent I’m concerned with the impact these cuts will have on my children’s education. Frankly I can’t figure out how Fulton needs to cut services since my property taxes are so inflated. If I could sell my house for anything near what they assessed it at, the sign would be in the yard today.

volfan11

March 12th, 2010
1:14 pm

I do want people out there to realize that there are other ways to affect the lives of kids outside of the classroom. That is why I think that athletics should be and is safe. Coaches do so much more than anyone gives them credit for. I work with an amazing group of coaches at my school and they put in so much time an effort into these kids it is incredible. The thing is a lot of these kids need athletics. For a lot of kids, athletics may be the only reason they come to school, it is sad but it is true. Coaches are great mentors and influences for kids, but the thought of taking away their stipends, wow that is a real statement of how they are valued by the powers that be.

volfan11

March 12th, 2010
1:17 pm

If today wasn’t Friday I would be real depressed with some of the things I have read and heard.

Oh no!

March 12th, 2010
1:31 pm

@ volfan11. Thank you for bringing up coaches and the little respect and pay they receive. My husband teaches a full course load of a core subject and also coaches two varsity sports(one Fall, one Spring). This means that year round, including during the summer, he is either having practice or having off season conditioning with the athletes. We cannot travel during most of our vacations because there are practices or competitions. Every weekend is taken up and he often leaves home at 5 am and gets home at 9 or 10 pm. Give it a rest with the,”Teachers are lazy” mantra! He brings home less than $4,000 after taxes between the two sports. He coaches because he is talented and loves doing it. I am tired of hearing that coaches are dumb and lazy and do not deserve the stipends they receive. People need to get a clue.

Forsyth Rep

March 12th, 2010
1:35 pm

I hope teachers won’t have to be cut but let’s be realistic. Where are all the teachers that get cut going to go to? We have budget problems here in Forsyth but it seems Forsyth doesn’t qualify as metro Atlanta for AJC coverage purposes. I have heard friends talking about budget cuts going on in Cherokee and Hall. Ditto for DeKalb, Fulton, Gwinnett. I doubt the private sector is doing much better. So, if Cobb does decide to cut teachers/salaries, where exactly are the teachers going to leave for?? Rural Georgia?? I don’t think so.

Also, I don’t think blaming senior citizens for economic problems is helpful. Fulton’s deficit was apparently $9 million more than Cobb’s and they DON’T have the exemption AND have less students. At the end of the day, you can only spend what you have.

Dvae

March 12th, 2010
2:27 pm

Now there is a proposal by Cox to raise lottery ticket prices from 1.00 to 1.50…so that the extra money can go toward education, yell right, so it can go in lottery officials pockets. Lottery officials just reported record profits. I guess it easy to make a profit when you print few wining lottery tickets.
delaware Downs wanted to bring a casino to Atlanta, they spent hundred thousand on a feasibility study and concluded how many jobs and money it would bring to the state. But, of course, Mr. Perdue wouldn’t hav eit in great state of Ga.
The sell of loteery tickets is okay, but casinos aren’t. The sell of alcohol is okay, just not on Sunday! Just stupid.

curious

March 12th, 2010
3:17 pm

To “a thought” – regarding the technology positions – positions were definitely cut, with some people leaving the district entirely, and some finding other positions (ie classroom teaching) within the district

curious

March 12th, 2010
3:19 pm

P.S. and some of those were instructional technology positions, which had definitely been part of central office previously

Another voice

March 12th, 2010
3:42 pm

Oh No! Thanks for bringing some attention to the reality of many coaches, their hours and devotion. My spouse is also a coach of a school that has very little money. He too is away from home on average 15 or 16 hours a day as he teaches a very demanding subject, coaches, cuts the grass, mentors the students who are homeless or don’t have enough to eat. He follows up with all of his students and players to assure they are studying and passing their classes even if it means missing practice to get some tutoring help.

His stipend is less than $2,000 a year and on average our family contributes $5,000 to $7,500 a year to keep this team going. There is no money or booster club at his school to help. We too can never take vacations because there is a sport or fundraising obligation. He spends many hours a week grading tests and essays because that it he most effective way to test the knowledge of his students.

Our family is left with the scraps of his time and energy. If the county continues to cut salaries we cannot continue our support of the school or athletic programs.

I'm so tired

March 12th, 2010
3:44 pm

Rick I agree with you so much, illegal immigrants are driving our country into third world status. The important people that actually contribute to society (teachers, police, firefighters, sanitation workers, ect) are the first in line to be screwed, while all the fat cats sit back and get fatter.
Dumbing down America should be the national quote, the government is so quick to cut programs that will benefit our country in the future. The republicans as well as the democrats have no interest in what is going on in our country (obviously), the special interest groups have their souls, the entire constitution needs to be revamped. The majority vote for a “representative” whom they think will do what is right and fair for their constituents. What a crock of bull, they promise they are not part of the Washington “bureaucracy”, but once they are elected, what they promised is no longer on the agenda for them.
If you really think about it the United States is is borderline communist, the majority vote for the minority, and the minority does whatever they want with no regard for the American citizens. The majority of the members in the Congress and Senate are millionares, who cannot possibly relate to the plight of America, they don’t have to worry about healthcare, losing their jobs or homes. It is absolutly ridiculous as to why grown people cannot work together and come up with a viable solution for healthcare, I have an idea, why can’t every single American have the same insurance coverage as the members of the Congress and Senate.
We need to revamp the welfare system, why is it that a fat lazy woman or man can sit at home eveyday and earn more money than a person that works, that makes absolutly no sense to me. Illegal immigrants cross the border, drop a baby and the gvernment not only takes care of the one born here also the ones she brought with her, this is incomprehensible.
The states are cutting education as the first measure in an effort to to bring the budget in line, I only have a Master’s degree, and I am not claming to be the sharpest knife in the drawer, but I think there are other areas that could be looked at first.
The children in this country are out of control, there have no respect for their elders, no regard for human life, they are pathetic.
I am an African American woman and I must say I am totally ashamed of young black men, they are the worst, 90 percent come from single family homes, the mothers are too busy trying to get and keep a man, instead of doing the best job possible in raising a man, notice I said 90 percent, so that does not include all black people. For many young black men, from the day they are old enough to understand anything, the notion is drilled in their head to become a basketball/football player, or a rapper. I don’t understand why parents aren’t telling there children to go to school become a doctor, a lawyer, chemist, engineer, ect. I tell my grandson you can own a basketball team, don’t settle for being a player. Everyone needs to wake up and see what is going on around you. Whew I feel better!!

Do some research folks

March 12th, 2010
3:45 pm

A lot of people on this board are blabbering talking points they heard somewhere without doing do any objective research.

1. Blaming “The Liberals”
The Cobb Board is majority Republican, The State is ran by Republicans and the State School Superintendent is Republican. Blaming Obama isn’t fair because the federal Government doesn’t provide much funding for public schools. It never has! The stock market was also at 8,000 the day he took over. This is not his fault.

1A. Georgia doesn’t have a teachers union. The Georgia Association of Educators is voluntary(most teachers aren’t even part of it) and they don’t have a collective bargaining agreement with Cobb County or the state. The National Association of Educators has no influence in Georgia. Repeat Georgia doesn’t have a teachers union. Stop blabbering what you heard on Boortz.

2. ESOL students for good or bad have little to do with this crunch. 80% are legal and you could turn them all away and it wouldn’t make a dent in this budget. If it makes you feel good about yourself to scapegoat them more power to you, but your bonkers if you this is the main problem.

3. Cobb’s central office is 1.4% of the budget. That is one of the lowest percentages in the state.

4. The real problem is under QBE Cobb County taxpayers are raided for 100 million dollars a year that goes to poor mostly rural school districts. I guess some of the talk radio types don’t complain about this because working class and poor whites are not as much fun to scapegoat as poor minorities.

5. People over 62 in Cobb don’t pay school property taxes. This is virtually unheard of. If this was reversed there wouldn’t be a budget crisis.

6. SPLOST doesn’t fund general operating expenses. SPLOST funds capitol projects. The general operating fund which is 90% of the budget is where the short fall is. Building schools, new technology, etc. are not the reasons for this shortfall. It’s against the law to use SPLOST funds for operating expenses.

7. If you want athletics, reasonable class sizes, and teachers not to exodus Cobb County you can support increasing revenue. Money is not coming from Atlanta or DC to alleviate this crisis. This will have to be solved locally. If Cobb schools decline your property values will go with them. Even if you don’t have kids you are vested in Cobb County Schools.

Bill Gaskin

March 12th, 2010
4:04 pm

When is the bleeding going to stop? At this rate our kids are going to be the least educated in the world. Also how can one of the most powerful countries in the world fail to properly educate its future generations? The politicians would rather blow up mounds in the dessert using billion dollar jets and rockets than invest in education. They are the lucky ones that can afford to put their kids through private school, that’s the reason they aren’t concerned or care about the school budget cuts. We on the other hand depend on public education in order for our kids to get an education. For this reason alone we should take a stand and say, no more. After doing extensive research schools get about 10 cents per candy bar that our kids sell. So therefore selling candy is not going provide the sufficient alternative funding required to fund schools. Here is the name of a website that will donate a portion of their low listing fees to a school of your choice, Main Street Fair. Look them up on Google they seem creditable.

Open Records Act

March 12th, 2010
4:14 pm

For anyone who believes Dillon when he says that Cobb teachers who were non-renewed met their fate due to poor performance should contact the Cobb Countyt School District and ask for the records of ALL teachers who left the district. What you will find is than many suddenly had poor performance.

Mike Poore when he indicates, that just last year, teachers in Cobb County School District were mistreated is absolutely correct. I don’t expect you to believe me, or anyone else at face value. Prove it, or disprove it to yourselves by requesting the records. All of the records are public. See for yourselves, then decide if a the rate is just too high to be reasonable.

It is kinda like the CRCT scandal. Some statistics are too incredible to be a fluke. I would bet that Dillon, Fred Sanderson, Mary Finlayson and many administrators in CCSDs central office and schools have something to hide. Check.

Just last Summer, CCSD Superintendent Fred Sanderson demoted an administrator for incorrectly evaluating a teacher. This is the same timeframe that Poor is referencing. Look into it.

Bell Curve

March 12th, 2010
5:26 pm

I have bad news for everyone that is willing to pay an extra penny sales tax, it will never happen. The current philosophy of most of those in the “party in power” is to never raises any taxes. Chip Rogers and his ilk would like to see all public schools replaced by free market alternatives. They live in this fantasy world where the business world is always superior to govt. They want to give vouchers (for less money than parents would need) so everyone would have choice. Have anyone ever bothered to ask the privates schools if they want vouchers? The really good private schools will only take the best students, not the slower learners or the ones who lack parental support. They won’t even allow bills that would call for a tax raise to get to the floor.

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March 12th, 2010
6:15 pm

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prootwadl

March 12th, 2010
6:21 pm

I’m paying slightly more for property tax now than I did two years ago. Most of my neighbors are the same way. The homestead exemption has existed for multiple years, and I’m sure the population of seniors in Cobb is not drastically increasing.

What caused this $100 million shortfall, exactly?

Jackie Moon

March 12th, 2010
7:20 pm

Bottom line: Start at the top then work your way down when making cuts. Oh yeah Sanderson doesn’t want to hurt his wallet.

Music Teacher

March 12th, 2010
7:25 pm

@Cobb Parent,

Be careful about making cuts to ‘peripheral areas’. Music teachers at the HS and MS level have a class size limit of 100 students. You cut one, you have to hire at LEAST 3 other teachers to share that load…

PLUS, MOST of the big companies are hiring folks with music backgrounds these days. These are people who use their entire brain (not just the analytical side) and can think much more outside the box than traditionally educated folk.

Just a though….

i

March 12th, 2010
7:56 pm

Glenn Brock. This is part of the problem…the lawyers, Brock Clay Law Firm. Too much money going to these greedy attorneys. They file ridiculous suits. They appear to want litigation. Fire more employees…more lititgation and more money! Hey Fred and school board, are y’all listening?

jmp

March 12th, 2010
8:21 pm

prootwadl

What caused this shortfall is essentially two-fold. 1. Major “austerity cuts” over the last several years (thanks, sonny) 2. reduced revenues from local property taxes (thanks to foreclosures, etc.). We’re bringing in less. Just like your household budget: if you’re bringing in less, you have to cut back AND figure out a way to bring in more. Both of these ideas need to apply to get us out of this.

magi

March 12th, 2010
8:29 pm

You reap the benefits and/or costs for the people you vote into office at national, state, and local levels. If we want to see changes, we’ll have to closely examine the people running for these offices in the future.

Mark

March 12th, 2010
9:04 pm

I know im just a student, but i believe we should have some type of opinion in this matter. I just don’t get why The school system doesn’t cut stuff that is unnecessary. From what i have read from he comments, i do believe that some of the administration in schools need to go away. Teachers are the ones making the school what it is, and once you get them out of the picture, you have lost your school, and lose the school, you lose the education this country needs. Even though this article doesn’t discuss the Fine Arts department of schools, those are the ones that always go first if they were to take away subject in school. Im a musician, and yes this can be biased, but the people that are “in charge” fail to realize what is really important…the education and music. Everyone loves music whether you deny it or not, and taking that away will just give the rest of the students a sign that you don’t care about them, so they will show even more that they don’t care, and so all the test scores will go down, and school will fail to give what is expected of them. I know i kind of went off topic a little here, but once i saw this article my mind went straight to the music programs at schools.

Traci

March 12th, 2010
10:15 pm

My question that I posed yesterday is: Why is there not a town hall meeting about this?
THIS IS SO SERIOUS. Not just for Cobb County – but ALL counties in Georgia. This is such an EMERGENCY – why aren’t the School Boards calling for a special session at Cobb Energy Center.
Not only will this affect PARENTS but also your CHILDREN for decades to come.

Someone mentioned earlier that they went to school and they had 30 kids in class and they turned out okay. But I am sure it was BACK IN THE DAY — when 1/2 the kids weren’t on Ridelin, and they had 2 parents at home, If you came home and your parents weren’t home – you could stay at the neighbors until they got home. I sure you didn’t have the INTERNET and TV Shows weren’t fueld by sex, more sex, and sexual inuendo. I am also very sure that when you went to school — the Principal and the teachers had permission to WACK you on the behind when you go out of line.

Times have changed — this budget deficit – needs more MEDIA attention – ALL ACROSS GEORGIA.

Ole Guy

March 12th, 2010
10:26 pm

Mark, you did not go off topic at all, but rather, you are right on target. Judging from the tenor of your comments, you strike me as take-charge leader; you seem to be quite aware of the impact irresponsible fiscal management has on your education and on your generation’s future. While we adults express our views through this forum, I would suggest that you, your student government, and your parents establish an audience with the “power brokers and influence peddlers” within your educational system. I am quite certain the news media would accommodate any request to be present at such an open meeting.

Mark, good luck to you and your classmates. I know the future holds many exciting opportunities and challenges for your generation; with the leadership and insight you seem to be blessed with, I have no doubt you will prevail in all you do.

Traci

March 12th, 2010
10:55 pm

The questions that I wanted all parents to think about:

How are these cuts going to affect my family?

1. Shorter school days – mean – if you work – who is going to be home with your kids after 12:30?
2. Shorter school week: Can you work a 4 day work week? if so,
3. If you are thinking day care, after-school care — This is going to COST you extra money.
4.School buses – fewer routes – fewer stops – means MORE traffic — now you’ll have to drive your
kids to school.
5. Extra Curricular activities: Most Colleges want to see students involved in some extra stuff for
admission – they want well rounded kids. BUT HOW ARE YOU GOING TO AFFORD IT?
It’s already ridiculous.
6. If they cut the school day – and send some students home at lunch — WHAT IS YOUR KID GOING TO EAT? MORE FAST FOOD? Face it — most of our kids are FAT ALREADY.
Look around – They are FAT and they don’t get enough excercise. Cutting out lunch may save the school system money – but for some of the kids – this is the only balanced meal they receive all day.

Lastly, for all the stay at home Moms. It may not affect you – because you don’t have to be at the office – or punch in at a time clock….but, all those errands and stuff you used to do, just got cut short. All the time you got to spend — you know that “Me time”, now becomes – KID time, you’ll spend more time on the road taking the kids to school — only 4 hours later getting back in the car to go and pick them up.

Taxpayer1964

March 12th, 2010
11:49 pm

Why not start the kids back to school in Sept. instead of the middle of summer when you have to run all those air conditioners that we all know electric bills in the summer are out of sight, also, I see bus drivers just sitting in parking lots and from my understanding as long as they are on the bus they get paid (and I know for a fact they arent running a field trip). Why cant the free lunch program charge at least 30 cents toward their meals a parent can find that in the sofa cushions. Get rid of computers Kids are coming out of school dumb enough make them go back to the old school ways like we did.

Oh no!

March 13th, 2010
7:47 am

For the last time, it is STILL hotter than hell at the end of August and in September and one month’s worth of air conditioning bill is not going to be a drop in the bucket for this problem.

specialist teacher

March 13th, 2010
7:51 am

Besides the obvious fact that music and art are subject areas that teach all those higher order thinking skills, and through GAPPS reviews, most schools are deficit in Higher Order Thinking Skills Teaching, there is a another reason to avoid cuts. Keep in mind that when your student is in art, music or PE, classroom teachers are in collaboration meetings and have just a few minutes to make parent calls, grading, planning, and at times, pulling aside an individual student. Plus, this is the only time of day a teacher may use the restroom besides lunch. Specialists see 32 students per class, and PE has 40 students at the elementary level, HS and MS 100 students.
Cut Music, Art and PE, and you also cut teacher’s planning and meeting times. Teachers might tolerate pay cuts, furloughs, limits on classroom spending, but eliminate planning time, and prepare for a protest like you’ve never seen!

The Tar and Feathers Party

March 13th, 2010
11:55 am

Remember that idiot retired general who wanted to buy each and every brat in cobb county schools a lap top computer, plus one for each and every teacher? It is a good thing we showed him the road, or this budget could be much worse. Now we should get rid of the physical education teachers and ALL the coaches, that is fluff we can no longer afford.

The Tar and Feathers Party

March 13th, 2010
11:58 am

I would luv to see a violent teacher strike, just so we could use greater violence to break the strike. All strikers would be immediately fired, with prejudice, meaning they would get no accrued vacation and leave time, and would not be eligible for COBRA. Yes, bring on a strike, we will break it and you at the same time.

Gina

March 13th, 2010
12:44 pm

Parents will be complacent as long as the budgets are balanced on the backs of the employees. The employees have been willing to endure some cuts……but how far do you take this? The morale is terrible and, if you don’t think that impacts your kids, think again.

The Tar and Feathers Party

March 13th, 2010
12:59 pm

Fire the lazy pe teachers like gina and its ilk…..fat old hag.

hewett

March 13th, 2010
1:24 pm

john adams john adams john adams john adams john adams john adams john adams and that finladen finlazen fiwhatevertheheck her name is woman don’t you reckon we could survive without the school system troops (ss troops)?

The Tar and Feathers Party

March 13th, 2010
1:27 pm

R gina and rene buddies?

The Tar and Feathers Party

March 13th, 2010
1:39 pm

Rene gits out of prison soon, maybe she will write a book! A tell all book.

Government just don't get it

March 13th, 2010
2:27 pm

No worries, they can just raise taxes – come on BOE, raise taxes while we’re at it the state shouldn’t hurt either, nor should the county, city, He77, just take 99.9% of everyone’s paycheck – sooner or later a tax revolt will hit and everyone in government will be running around like roaches in the light. As Marie said, ‘Let them eat cake’, that is until her head rolled off the chopping block.

Ole Guy

March 13th, 2010
4:03 pm

Traci, you bring out some very good and valid concerns, however, it would appear that most center around the issues of convenience and the natural tendency to avoid change. Nowhere do you express any but the most superflous concern over an abbreviated education and the effects on future generations. Perhaps you would be well-served to concentrate on adapting to potential reality, rather than fight it. I am quite certain you, and your generation of parents, wouldn’t be the first to face such inconveniences.

Incidentally, “back in the day”, as you indicate, kids weren’t on ridelin…in fact, I’m not even sure if such meds were even relied upon to the degree they seem to be today…or, for that matter, if they even existed. This in only a personal view, but I feel that ridelin, or for that matter, behavior-modifying drugs of any sort, are employed more so out of social laziness than medical necessity…it’s easier to have the kid pop a pill than “square him away”. Whereas “back in the day”, a major segment of education, both in and out of the school environment, involved the fostering of self discipline and self reliance, today’s youth realizes, all too well, that no one is responsible for anything, there are no consequences whatsoever for anything, and it’s always some elses fault. We have arrived at this sorry state of affairs because, at some point in time, someone decided that we need to treat kids with, well, kid gloves…as though they’re made of glass. “Back in the day”, a parent could issue instructions to any kid, over the age of 10, who might have to come to an empty house for a few hours. If those instructions were not followed through, the parent simply “provided further instruction” on how to follow instructions. Today’s adults have no confidence in themselves, much less their kids, so they have to hover over them constantly, ensuring they’re “sufficiently burped”. At the same time, kids come to expect, to rely upon, a daily dose of chemistry in place of exercising a little self control. Result: helpless kids who can look forward to a life as helpless adults.

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