CRCT tampering: Crisis in confidence, character and conscience for APS

In a jaw-dropping meeting with Gov. Sonny Perdue and his staff Tuesday, the AJC learned that a review of all 2009 CRCT answer sheets identified 74 “severe” elementary and middle schools schools in which there appeared to be widespread answer-sheet tampering. The worst offender was Atlanta Public Schools in which cheating appears to have occurred in 37 of its 55 elementary schools.

Here is the link to the AJC searchable database of all schools. Here is a link to the list of severe-only schools. Here is a link to the detailed news story.And this takes you to a map. Here is a new map created Friday.

Responding to earlier evidence of cheating, including an analysis by the AJC, the state had every 2009 answer sheet reviewed to measure how often kids changed wrong answers to right by virtue of erasures on the sheets. Because every test sheet was checked, the state was able to develop a reliable index of how often test answers were changed from wrong to right and flag schools that had inordinate occurrences of answer changes, right down to the classroom level.

It then flagged schools that had higher-than-average numbers of wrong -to-right answers, and found troubling patterns, most of which occurred in Atlanta schools and in Dougherty County schools. To understand, look at third grade math scores. Reviewing the answer sheets of 125,000 third graders, the state found that the average student changed 1.87 answers from wrong to right.

If there was a third-grade classroom in which the students on average changed 4.8 answers from wrong to right, a flag went up, said Kathleen Mathers, executive director of the Governor’s Office of Student Achievement. “That change was so much bigger than what we saw in classrooms across the state.”

APS Superintendent Beverly Hall must address a culture of cheating in her schools that threatens all her reform efforts.

APS Superintendent Beverly Hall must address a culture of cheating in her schools that threatens all her reform efforts.

Then, the state examined how each individual class performed on the test and how many answers went from incorrect to correct. They compared each classroom to the state average. To be flagged, the changes from wrong to right answers had to be well above state average, so much so that it could not be a matter of chance. Then, the state looked at the schools as a whole and found widespread instances of improbable answer changes.

On its list of the 74 schools with the highest number of classrooms with questionable – unbelievable, in fact – erasures from wrong to right, APS has 43 schools and Dougherty has eight schools.

Out of the 74 flagged schools, DeKalb had six schools including the much acclaimed DeKalb Path Academy Charter School. Fulton has three schools. Clayton has two schools, including Lewis Academy of Excellence, a charter school that appeared before the state board of education this morning to plead for a reconsideration of state charter status, citing its academic achievement and its performance on state tests.

No Gwinnett, Cobb, Fayette, Cherokee, Rockdale, Decatur, Forsyth or Henry schools are on the list of 74.

With evidence suggesting that tampering of test sheets took place in 67 percent of its 55 elementary schools, Atlanta Public Schools is now facing a crisis in culture, confidence, conscience and character.

This data show that a culture of cheating exists in Atlanta schools, a culture that may have taken root before reform-minded Superintendent Beverly Hall arrived a decade ago or may be a result of her relentless pressure on her schools to improve and do it quickly.

Either way, this culture cannot be tolerated and must be banished, even if it means a wholesale firing of staff. (I suspect that some will call for Hall’s firing. If the cheating traces back to her, she will have to resign. There may well be a case to be made that she should have known that this was going on in her district.)

This is not a few bad apples. This is rot to the core of APS and it cannot be addressed with training or memos. The shakeup at APS should bounce desks off the floor and rattle pictures off the walls.

Otherwise, how can parents know if their kids are learning if test results are not valid?

On the issue of conscience, how could schools – including some in which eight out of 10 classrooms had compelling evidence of cheating — promote students to the next grade who were not able to do the work, yet had soaring CRCT scores?

This is educational malpractice of the worst kind.

It not only hurts the children, but it victimizes the next teacher in the chain who can’t understand why her student who scored proficient in reading the year before now can’t sound out a sentence. Under the federal No Child Left Behind law, those students may have qualified for tutoring based on their undoctored scores, says Mathers, of the Governor’s Office of Student Achievement. “Students were deprived of those opportunities.”

Superintendent Hall should not waste a minute arguing with the state’s findings. As a clearly concerned Gov. Perdue told us yesterday in an hour-long meeting, “The facts are what the facts are. Trust me, we will not allow this to be whitewashed. I can’t think of any superintendent who has the students’ best interests at heart who won’t want to find out what happened and where.”

Gov. Perdue met with the AJC Tuesday to share a stunning study of how often test answers were changed on last year's CRCTs.

Gov. Perdue met with the AJC Tuesday to share a stunning study of how often test answers were changed on last year's CRCTs.

Perdue said he is counting on systems to investigate and right any wrongs, including getting true assessments of their students and providing academic help to kids who aren’t really proficient.

“There is strong evidence here,” he said. “It is not my job to impugn or indict any one person or school. I may change my mind as I go down the line.”

When you look at the lists – and our AJC technical staffers have been working all night to get this data from the state in easy-to-use form for you — you will see that the schools with the greatest instances of tampering are poor and minority. These are the schools that have the farthest to go to get their kids to proficiency on state tests.

You do not see the suburban powerhouse counties on the list. I also have to note that some districts with high poverty enrollments are not on the list. (Along with the 74 truly problematic schools, the state assembled a list of 117 schools with moderately troubling test irregularities.) So, between the severe- and moderate-concern schools, there are 191 or 10 percent of the state’s elementary and middle schools that have test results that merit monitoring.

But the searing findings raise so many questions. Where did the cheating take place — in the classroom or after the answer sheets were turned into the school offices?

In some instances, as many as 48 answers on a test sheet were changed from wrong to right. Why would a teacher or principal go that far to ensure a single student passed? How desperate were they?

Are the honest teachers turning a blind eye or are their complaints ignored?

How does APS rebuild after this? Why did so many Atlanta schools resort to cheating when national testing showed that APS was, in fact, raising achievement? Or, are those test results now in doubt, too?

How can teachers at the 43 APS schools on the state’s most extreme list go to work tomorrow knowing that all their good work – and there is clearly some good work amid this wreckage – is now in question?

We need to talk about whether we are asking too much of students or too little of schools?

Let’s start.

(I just received the official statement from GOSA on this and am tacking it on here as it gives more information on the process:

The Governor’s Office of Student Achievement (GOSA) today released the results of a spring 2009 Criterion Referenced Competency Test (CRCT) erasure analysis. GOSA partnered with CTB-McGraw Hill (CTB), the state’s testing vendor in charge of developing and scoring CRCT exams, to conduct a comprehensive examination of all statewide CRCT answer documents for grades 1 through 8. The analysis focused on the number of wrong answers that had been changed to right answers on individual student answer sheets in Reading, English-Language Arts, and Mathematics.

“The analysis looked on average at 125,000 test takers in every subject and grade level at which the CRCT was administered and provided a clear picture of typical student test behavior against which all schools could be compared,” said GOSA Executive Director, Kathleen Mathers. “Our recommendations are intended to eliminate future problems and help students who have been adversely affected by test tampering.”

In the analysis, CTB psychometricians scanned answer documents to identify total erasures per classroom, flagging those classrooms in which the number of wrong-to-right changes proved to be three standard deviations (SDs) or more above the state average. Less than 0.15% of test takers would be expected to fall in that range naturally.

Based on the analysis, schools were placed in varying categories according to their percentage of flagged classrooms. 80% of Georgia’s elementary and middle schools fell into the “Clear” category, meaning less than 6% of the classes within a given school were flagged; 10% fell into the “Minimal Concern” category with 6%-10% of classes flagged; 6% were determined to be in the “Moderate Concern” category with 11%-24% of classes flagged; and only 4% were termed “Severe Concern” as defined by a school having 25% or more of its classes flagged for wrong-to-right changes.

Recommendations on which the State Board of Education will vote range from requiring local Superintendents to conduct internal investigations to determine the causes of testing irregularities to schools rotating teachers during the 2010 CRCT test administration so that they administer the test to students they have not taught. In addition, state monitors will be placed in all schools in the severe concern category during this spring’s test.

“Important decisions will be made from this data that are critical to the future of Georgia’s children,” said GOSA Deputy Director, Dr. Eric Wearne. “Overall, Georgia’s schools are performing well and continue to excel in student achievement.”

The CRCT is a standardized assessment given to students in grades 1-8 in Georgia. The test is designed to measure how well students at each grade level have learned the state’s curriculum. CRCT results are used to determine whether schools have made Adequate Yearly Progress (AYP) as required by No Child Left Behind (NCLB).

GOSA plans future analyses of standardized test scores, possibly including End of Course Tests (EOCT) and Georgia High School Graduation Tests (GHSGT) and will also examine graduation and dropout rates and other factors that determine student achievement. Please visit www.gaosa.org to see the full 2009 CRCT erasure analysis report.

216 comments Add your comment

Allen

February 10th, 2010
3:00 pm

so where’s the list?

jdawg

February 10th, 2010
3:07 pm

Now I just wonder how much this cost!!!!! Folks when you put people on the line….there tends to be a little fudging….looks like Hotlanta got caught a little more……Oh, well….just another day…maybe when we cut out furloughs, and making teachers low on the ladder…..you get what you pay for…

NA

February 10th, 2010
3:08 pm

I did student teaching and field experiences in APS from 2002-2004 and cheating was RAMPANT then. Those same students are now in middle school, making nowhere near the scores they made in elementary. Let’s have an honest conversation about cheating, and the bullcrap reform models that teachers in urban systems are forced to use.

Someone

February 10th, 2010
3:08 pm

Like Allen say, so where’s the list. Is this another one Gov. Purdue trick to make him look good, about education in this state.

Maureen Downey

February 10th, 2010
3:10 pm

Someone, The list is now up. Check my new blog for links.
Maureen

Cobb Parent

February 10th, 2010
3:22 pm

Question about the methodology: Is there a reason 5.5% was used at the cutoff to designate a school clear of cheating? I’m assuming that under random normal conditions, we would expect 5.5% of classrooms to be flagged given the random variations among students, but I just want to make sure that 5.5% isn’t a subjective figure. Also, what exactly does minimal/moderate mean in everyday terms? I would think minimal cheating would be unacceptable as well to most people.

The APS numbers are astounding, considering some of these schools border schools in other districts that had far far lower flagged cases. Something systemic is clearly going on in some of the APS schools and something has to be done.

teacher/parent

February 10th, 2010
3:25 pm

Are the national tests that show improvement in APS now in question? They were given in the same school and administered by the same adults-you tell me.
The cheating on the tests is bad enough. However, it is nothing compared to the cheating of the students by the system.
Why are we putting so much stock in a test?
What are the tests measuring?
Why do we bother to test students every year if there is no consequence (i.e. no holding students back for remediation so that the students can learn)?
What we do is test, test, test in elementary and middle school, ignore the results (or fudge them), socially promote students until they get to high school, and then bemoan a high drop out rate and low graduation rates.
None of this makes any sense.

really, seriously?

February 10th, 2010
3:28 pm

wasn’t there a list generated a while back that addressed the schools who had a high number of students taking remedial courses in college? It would be interesting to match the results of this exam to the high schools these schools feed into to really see the overarching problem from start to finish.

Shar

February 10th, 2010
3:34 pm

This kind of cheating and lying will continue to be endemic as long as the supervising Board is as spineless and cowed as Atlanta’s is, and while those who financially benefit from test scores are the ones presiding over the test process. The losers are the taxpayers, who have paid for services that have not been rendered, and most especially the students, who are not even minimally prepared to advance academically.

It is even more horrifying to know that the students’ failure is on the CRCT, a dumbed-down test that has been crafted by the state DOE to reflect the classroom curriculum and to minimize the failure rate.

Any competent supervisor would anticipate the conflict of interest inherent in Georgia’s test protocol, and would have at minimum initiated a switch among teachers to ensure that no teacher proctored a test from which they or their school would benefit, and that no administrator had access to answer sheets from their own school. Additionally, there would be post-test monitoring in place to uncover instances of cheating so that those involved could be disciplined and act as a deterrent for others.

With cheating so widespread within APS, Hall and her vile little Mini-Me, Deputy Superintendent for Instruction Kathy Augustine, both had to know and tacitly condone the practice. In addition, the Atlanta Board of Education has ceded all active power to Hall without any effective oversight, and has abandoned the students and taxpayers in the process. Every top administrator in APS should be put on probation, Hall and Augustine should repay their performance bonuses and leave, and criminal investigations for fraud should be started against them. The administrators and teachers involved in the classrooms under review should also go on probation with the possibility of pursuing criminal charges if cheating is proven to have occurred.

Our children have been betrayed and our coffers defrauded for personal gain. It is the most intolerable theft yet.

Finally caught

February 10th, 2010
3:38 pm

A culture of cheating exists in APS. Check GHSGT scores against failures in classes. Check to see who was hired for administrative positions. Connections count not experience. Atlanta is a mess. This exposure was long overdue.

Jim Williams

February 10th, 2010
3:46 pm

Where there is this much pressure to perform, cheaters will abound. The only way to insure honesty is to bring in outside test administrators who give the test and then take the answer sheets away from the school. Is this cost effective? No way.

The whole premise that standardized testing is this valuable is really flawed. The whole system needs to be scrapped.

By the way – many researchers say the data indicates that our standardized testing and imitation of emerging third world countires should be titled “Race to the Bottom.” I agree!

Milton Mom

February 10th, 2010
3:48 pm

I was relieved to find my children’s schools did not have any problems. However, I have the same questions as Cobb Parent in terms of how we interpret the database. How many erasures would have to be done by a student/class to get flagged? I was reading on the previous post that the average number of erasures was .8 to 1.8. So if three students had 2 erasures from right to wrong in a class, then that class would get flagged? I can see how when 30%+ of classes have this issue, it’s a problem. But, do schools that have minimal/moderate labels warrant any concern?

From the Article

February 10th, 2010
3:53 pm

I had the same questions but I found this info from the article is useful in terms of methodology:
“The analysis conducted for the state by CTB-McGraw Hill looked for answers changed from wrong to right on spring 2009 language arts, reading and math CRCT answer sheets for grades one through eight. A classroom was flagged for each subject-area test in which the average number of answer changes per student was unusually high.

The state defined unusual as three standard deviations above the statewide average. Standard deviation is a measure based on the distribution of results around the average such that, with a normal distribution, 99.85 percent of results should be less than three standard deviations above the average.

Schools with 25 percent or more of classrooms flagged for unusually high answer changes were placed in the severe concern category. The moderate concern category comprised schools with 11 percent to 24 percent of classrooms flagged. The minimal concern category comprised schools with 6 percent to 10 percent of classrooms flagged.”

Kathleen Mathers, director of the Governor’s Office of Student Achievement, said schools with as many as 5 percent of classrooms flagged were classified as “clear,” partly to allow for the occasional student who inadvertently skips a line on the answer sheet, then makes several erasures to correct the mistake.

Teachersaid

February 10th, 2010
3:56 pm

Why are we teaching to freakin test anyway. What is it really proving? Now the governor is talking about a pay for performance plan like that is not going increase the percentage of cheating! The state of Massachusetts has the best school system in the nation why cant we just try to follow their model. Hell we have tried everything else!!!

Attentive Parent

February 10th, 2010
4:04 pm

Maureen,

With its Office of Mathematics and Science Initiatives, isn’t APS involved with designing the math CRCTs in the 1st place or is it only the math EOCTs?

We know OMSI is designing the learning tasks in the state’s Instructional Frameworks and APS prides itself on its fidelity of implementation.

APS has been at the heart of Georgia’s reform math since the Atlanta Systemic Initiative began about 15 years ago. The empirical evidence that’s part of the record in that Seattle case predicts that “at risk” will have real difficulties with discovery math. That is the same population as these schools in the severe category.

This involves the futures of real children. It looks like too many adults in APS see the students merely as conduits for funding, not responsibilities.

Does anyone know what the reading method used in APS is?

Is it Guided Reading perhaps?

Vince

February 10th, 2010
4:05 pm

Maureen….Granted, I never taught math, but I don’t quite understand the numbers. The state says that 3.5% of our classes were flagged. That would amount to .42 of our classes. I don’t get that. Are they saying four tenths of one of our classes was flagged? Did they divide the number of suspicious answer documents by the number of classes to get a percentage? If they truly looked at the test at the teacher/classroom level my numbers don’t make sense.

Can you find out how the numbers were derived?

APS Teacher

February 10th, 2010
4:09 pm

I have been a teacher in APS for 14 years and I agree with much of the press. I have witnessed students with extremely high test scores not being able to comprehend basic information. This no doubt is a result of CHEATING. Many schools are so eager to receive a bonus check for meeting Dr. Hall’s targets that they result to almost anything. It is a shame! Further, APS is nothing but the good ole boy network. Regardless of how qualified you are for a position, if you don’t know someone—forget about it! Principals are quick to hire their friends, sorority sisters, frat brothers etc. for positions that they know they are not qualified for.
It is time for Dr. Hall to do a complete overhaul of the system. She should move around or get rid of most of the principals, assistant principals, and instructional specialists at all the schools with minimal, moderate and severe issues of cheating.

Katie

February 10th, 2010
4:23 pm

Maureen and all,
I am saddened, but not really surprised. The pressure to make the cut scores is unbelievable–and more so in the high-needs, high-poverty schools, inronically. On the one hand, I can’t believe that any educator would deliberately carry out such an egregious breach of conduct. On the other hand, I understand the desperation of teachers who know they’re going to be held accountable for test scores of children who come to school hungry, dirty, and completely unprepared to do school work because their parents are too busy struggling to keep a roof over their head to take time to teach them their letters. The culture of poverty is at the root of all of this. How do we change it? If I had the answer, I wouldn’t be writing this from the public library while I wait for my next tutoring client!

Rich

February 10th, 2010
4:27 pm

I assume the cheaters are the exception, rather than the rule. Who ever commited the crime or help should pay dearly. On a side note, I think that it is funny that the HOPE is not availible for kids who homeschool because of concern for parent cheating on grades.

lovelyliz

February 10th, 2010
4:30 pm

Remember the Houston Miracle that never was?

Maureen Downey

February 10th, 2010
4:34 pm

Vince, I just hung up with Kathleen Mathers of the Governor’s Office of Student Achievement and added some more information to the blog, in response to your questions.
Also, I added her agency’s information to the bottom of the blog, including a link to the study.
Maureen

ugaaccountant

February 10th, 2010
4:35 pm

Well, “pay for performance” defined in terms of results on this test should be dead assuming this audit is as clear cut as it appears in this article. The described statistics appear fairly convincing. It’s obvious that the results can be changed and if peoples pay were to depend on it the problem would only increase.

Attentive Parent

February 10th, 2010
4:50 pm

APS does use the Fountas & Pinnell Guided Reading program to “teach” reading. That’s the program that is what the Whole Language movement morphed into after all the bad press.

They also require (in their agreements with charter schools) their schools to adopt the constructivist philosophy of teaching.

APS is validating that “learning by doing” is a very dangerous method for “at risk” kids to learn reading and math.

Given a choice between explicit instruction of reading and math and cheating to hide the terrible outcomes of these poor instructional choices, many APS schools turn to cheating.

the least of pub eds problems

February 10th, 2010
5:03 pm

This is further proof that our teachers are unqualified to teach our kids. Not only on an ethical level but think about it, these people are supposed to be teaching our kids math and they can’t even come up with a statistical formula to change answers without being caught.

And on that thought, the true smart ones would look at the GOSA’s formula for their analysis and use it next year.

If the [testing] system is flawed, why not work it?

Wounded Warrior

February 10th, 2010
5:16 pm

couties should be able to elect supers and they need term limits.

Maude

February 10th, 2010
5:41 pm

My question is why only a few schools are under the gun. It is widly known in the education world that the APS cheats on CRCT. I teach in another metro county and I can tell you for sure they cheat. I get students from APS with really high CRCT scores that are working one or more years below grade level. They fail the test when they take it without the cheating. That makes me look bad when the adminstors points out the high scores one year and low the next. I tell it lik it is I DON’T CHEAT!

Teacher

February 10th, 2010
5:47 pm

I have taught for 11 years in urban school districts. CHEATING is more widespread than you think. It will continue as long as teachers are held completely accountable for student achievement instead of holding parents accountable for their children. I say APS needs to revamp and be run by the state department of education or an outside source until they can manage teaching and testing without cheating. It is almost impossible to teach inner-city kids who come to school dirty, hungry, and 2-3 years behind their suburban peers. Inner-city kids are TEN times harder to teach than their suburban counterparts because their schools are guinea pigs for the district. I taught in one Title I school that tested every new program that came out while the richer schools in the district did not test out any. Once the program was tweaked in the poverty-level school and pefected, it was then used at the richer schools. Teachers are wrong for CHEATING!!!! However, the state department of education is also wrong for placing soooooooooo much emphasis on testing rather than good teaching. Every teacher is not qualified to teach inner-city kids.

Kids R GreaT

February 10th, 2010
6:00 pm

I’d love to see all this focus on curriculum development and community support of public schools. If parents and community,and politicians would work as hard for our public schools as they do against it, just think what we could do for our school children! Many of us work hard and enjoy the challenge of the CRCT. Remember this is a criterion referenced test! We are measuring how well the students have learned the grade level criteria set forth by OUR GA. State Dept. of Education. Unfortunately, there are people out there that shouldn’t be teaching. Surely this would be evident to administrators! Hay…we are always needing proctors to assist in classrooms…….. come and volunteer!

PappyHappy

February 10th, 2010
6:04 pm

This is pathetic! Now, one can see the need for some legislation going through the system to make it punitive for teachers/administrators who cheat. This is a major black eye for Georgia; for the Georgia teaching profession; and a sign that Georgia administrators are in dire need of courses in ethics and leadership! They will not have credibility when they cry for more SPLOSHes!

I teach

February 10th, 2010
6:04 pm

I teach in APS and not to justify cheating at all,but in Atlanta Public Schools you are very likely to be put on a professional development plan (PDP) if your students do not perform well on the CRCT. A PDP means that administrators, coaches, model teacher leaders and every other want to be important person comes in and out of your classroom scrutinizing everything that you do without taken into consideration who you are working with and they offer very little help. I agree with APS Teacher, not only move around or get rid of principals, assistant principals, instructional specialists, academic coaches, model teacher leaders, instructional coaches, but have them all reapply for their positions.

Dan

February 10th, 2010
6:27 pm

I worked at APS prior to Dr. Hall’s tenure. Cheating is by no means a new phenomena–it was rampant then too! There was so much pressure from principals to increase test scores…and by any means. It appears it’s business as usual…though things may even be worse today. I feel so sorry for all the children at APS who are being short changed and continue to be short changed by a self-serving hierarchy who’s only interest is to force quick improvement in test scores which lead to fatter paychecks. Shame on you all!

APS Teacher 2

February 10th, 2010
6:27 pm

See! I can post as an Atlanta School District Teacher as well.

Northview (Ex)Teacher

February 10th, 2010
6:28 pm

What’s Purdue’s angle in this? I mean, he’s the biggest do-nothing in history and all the sudden he is just outraged over what is going on in APS. I don’t suppose it would have anything to do with the fact that those kids are minority and poor. With Sonny being what he is (and his supporters being what they are), I wonder what kind of racism is lurking behind all his sanctimony.

Thanks, massa.

PsychMom

February 10th, 2010
6:34 pm

Very sad, but not unexpected. The cheaters need to be fired. The administration that supports cheaters needs to be fired. People with energy, enthusiasm, and a love of teaching in a difficult environment need to brought in. Those of us with kids in the wealthier schools should volunteer some time in the troubled schools. So many things need to change- but we all need to be a part of it and not look the other way. Kids R GreaT – I’d be happy to help out.

Nikole Allen

February 10th, 2010
6:35 pm

@ Attentive Parent- Many urban students in APS are using a scripted reading program (SFA, Direct Instruction etc.), that is not half as good as guided reading. Also, guided reading is only one aspect of a balanced literacy program. It is not meant as a primary means of teaching reading.

Rich

February 10th, 2010
6:59 pm

Maybe we need to start holding parents responsible. As I read the comments form teachers, performance is expect at any cost. Parents need to be more involed.

Attentive Parent

February 10th, 2010
7:00 pm

Nikole-

I am going off the mandated template in the contract for an APS charter school and what they refer to as balanced literacy then goes on to list the methods and books to be used which are strictly whole language like Fountas and Pinnell and Lucy Calkins. They have to misportray both sides of the debate to get to GR as balance. Marie Clay has been quite adamant that there will be no teaching of phonics in her programs. The template also requires the use of Investigations for math.

I can quote you precisely what F&P say their intentions are with their “phonics” books. To summarize, it is to shut parents up without teaching the letter-sound correspondence directly.

If what you say is true please cite or link the examples of this type of program. That would make parents very happy as this really is about the futures of APS students. I can provide links to APS documents verifying every fact above.

majii

February 10th, 2010
7:33 pm

I think these problems with students cheating on the CRCT could have been avoided. I worked in Monroe County before retiring last year. The Instructional Supervisor distributed the tests at a single location on the morning of the test. Teachers had to count all materials and sign them out before heading to the testing location. After all students had completed the tests, they would be collected by the IS, other building principals, and counselors at the test site, where all materials would be checked back in. No teacher could keep any copies of the test or examiner’s manual in his/her classroom, everything, including scratch paper, was returned immediately after the test. The only way I can think of that the answer sheets were changed in APS would be if the teachers were not supervised appropriately before, during, and after the test. It seems that there may be laxness on the part of the administrators in these schools. Although I taught at the high school level, I checked the scores for the four elementary and middle schools in Monroe County. Three of the schools were rated clear, one mild. There are significant numbers of kids living below the poverty level and a significant number of minority students in these schools, so I’m not buying into the claim that the students in APS with similar socio-economic/dommoraphic profiles cannot learn the material necessary to pass the CRCT.

Welcome to our little world of Dekalb

February 10th, 2010
7:33 pm

Maureen
l looked at the website. It seems to me that certain schools that were majority African-Americans population were targeted than the Caucasian population. I can’t believe that White Children don’t erase answers too. The state seems to only target certain districts. How in the H can anybody go by erase marks? This is just another tactic to try and keep Blacks down. If you don’t believe me see it for yourself.

ScienceTeacher671

February 10th, 2010
7:34 pm

After we finish this, we need to talk about the BIG cheat…you know, the one where the state DOE tells parents, students, and the general public that students working as much as 4 years below grade level are actually “proficient”…

majii

February 10th, 2010
7:36 pm

***demographic*** sorry—brain freeze on this word

EX Evil Old English Teacher

February 10th, 2010
7:38 pm

ScienceTeacher671

Amen to that!

Equitable Accountability

February 10th, 2010
7:49 pm

I’m not saying that cheating is right in any way, shape, or form, but there is TOO MUCH PRESSURE put on principals, instructional specialists, and teachers for students to perform well on standardized tests. THE PARENTS AND STUDENTS NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE AS WELL!! Teachers don’t go home with students at night to ensure that they read, study, and do their homework. Many parents with kids that attend the more poverty sticken APS school don’t even take an interest in their children’s learning (I’m speaking from experience). If students perform poorly on the CRCT, teachers are labeled as “bad teachers” and forced to complete pages upon pages of interventions for their students. The teacher is not always in total control, especially with “at-risk” students. Way too much emphasis is put on the CRCT as a predictor of teacher effectiveness and student learning. We need to use multiple measures (e.g., portfolios and performance assessments) and growth models to truly measure student achievement and take some of accountability off of teachers and administrators for achieving high test scores.

Equitable Accountability

February 10th, 2010
7:51 pm

Majii…the same system is used in APS. All testing materials are submitted immediately after testing (at least at the school that I worked at).

Now What?

February 10th, 2010
8:11 pm

Anyone who has ever worked for APS knows about the cheating. It’s done all over, and it’s very open. Every year, a new story comes out about it, but nothing is done. How is this time any different? If I know firsthand about cheating, is there someone I can contact?

History Teacher

February 10th, 2010
8:11 pm

Thank you, Science Teacher we seem to forget that point. The score is meaningless, accurate or not because it is skewed to show the student is proficient when thet are not even on grade level. Is that not cheating too??
In regard to APS, when I read the scores at APS- Kennedy Middle school, I thought good for them!.. but wow, that is a lot of progress in short amount of time considering that school’s needs. Although, that does not imply that the students are not capable because they are capable with the right instruction techniques, etc. but it was a lot of progress in a short amount of time considering many had to brought up to grade level then learn the curriculum. Cheating or great teachers? I don’t know. Finally, MOST school systems cheat in some form, so don’t think it is just a APS problem.

Pompano

February 10th, 2010
8:12 pm

Well it took only 31 posts before “Northview (Ex)teacher” played the race card – followed up most pathetically by “Welcome to our little World of Dekalb”.

Hey Northview & Dekalb – why don’t you rationally ask yourselves why it is predominantly minority schools where cheating is rampant? Of course I really don’t have any problem with your schools graduating kids who are dumb as rocks (and are not even aware how clueless they are). As a wise man once said – the world needs ditch diggers. Hail to APS’s committment to creating the next generation of ditch diggers.

Inside out

February 10th, 2010
8:14 pm

It starts with the head. When classroom teachers are told they must meet a certain target or they need to find another field to work in, what do you expect? The superintendent (Hall) threatens the executive directors, who threaten the principals, who threaten the teachers, who take all the blame but invest the most and are paid the least. When education is taken seriously by those at the top as well as the parents, then a difference will be made. Teachers should not be forced into meet the targets or loose your job situations when children come to the classroom with a mile long list of disabilities and inequalities. Even children from the same household do not learn or achieve at the same levels but yet have the same expectations.

Good grief

February 10th, 2010
8:14 pm

This is what happens when the whole school year is based on one week worth of tests. The government smiles in parents’ faces and tell them how they just want their children to do well then threaten schools with a Needs Improvement label when they don’t score well in that week. Then if you get off the list or your school has been successful after so many years, then they want to question why are you scoring well. Schools are darned if you do, darned if you don’t.
We are on a time limit with the tests. Those students work up until the last minute, we turn our tests in immediately after testing so the kids can breathe a sigh of relief of that test being over. Tell me when did teachers have time to even reread the tests to determine the answers much less change them. Parents, we don’t see those CRCT tests until the students receive those sealed booklet and they don’t come with answers.

Now What?

February 10th, 2010
8:18 pm

Majii, you are right. That is the process. Seems pretty secure, doesn’t it? Well….your statement assumes that only teachers do the cheating. Administrators have access to the booklets and answer sheets all week. They can get to them anytime they like. They can hand them back out to teachers after school. They can “overlook” a teacher who’s booklet count is one short, knowing that teacher has kept a booklet to copy from. Also, answers can be changed right in the classroom DURING the test. Yes, there are supposed to be proctors, but sometimes principals conveniently forget to place them in the classrooms of teachers they know will cheat. Also, once the booklet is open, you can look ahead and see all the tests for the entire week. Now, the teachers know which questions will be on the next day’s test. What’s keeping them from teaching the students those specific questions??? WAKE UP!!! Where there’s a will (and now a BONUS), there’s a way! If Perdue wants the cheating to increase, then performance pay is definitely the answer!

Nikole Allen

February 10th, 2010
8:22 pm

I am not sure what goes on in charter schools, but most APS elementary schools serving a majority of African-American students are subjected to scripted reading instruction. I don’t know what the website says, I know the teachers that have to teach using these programs. It was the main reason I chose not to apply in APS after graduating. I was also commenting on what the common definition of balanced literacy was. Not Fountas and Pinnell’s definition or APS’s definition. I was only making the point that guided reading is an important part, not the whole of good literacy instruction.

Now What?

February 10th, 2010
8:26 pm

Pompano is right! There’s no place for the race card here. Cheating is wrong regardless of who does it. And, it is a FACT that cheating is very common in APS. And, yes, as long as cheating continues, the schools are setting up the students for failure and futures as….ditch diggers??? Maybe so.

Northview (Ex)Teacher

February 10th, 2010
8:46 pm

Yes, cheating is wrong, which is my point. Purdue is cheating an entire generation of children out of an education. If you all want to ingore the fact that he is targeting a minority school district, so be it. That’s how the Purdues of the world operate: play upon prejudice, racism, and classism: do anything to divert people’s attention from what you are up to. Are you really as dumb as you come across?

There are all sorts of issues associated with educating inner-city children, as any educated person knows. But pointing that out to you all seems like a waste of time because you don’t seem too educated.

For my money, the diggest dumba**es of all are the ones too blind to see and too deaf to hear. Woof, woof, woof. Only eight months until football can give you a reason to live again, can fill up the emptiness and blackness that forms what you call a life.

Reality

February 10th, 2010
8:49 pm

I wonder if Bill Gates will now want his big money back from APS????

colin richards

February 10th, 2010
8:50 pm

Nikole: NO ONE knows what goes on at Charter Schools… they are totally unregulated. I used to be pro-charter school because they offered a choice and competition in Public School… but in the present environment of cutting Teachers wages and things like Band and Orchestra, I feel they are a totally unnecessary drain on the system. Many of them are started by religious organizations and are nothing more than publicly funded religious schools. Another big waste of money is these standardized tests. My child is doing FIVE sets this year. The ITBS is enough! If we got rid of the CRCTs which are a big fat waste, we would not be facing huge cutbacks and Georgia would not be on the threshold of being the LOWEST in the state. Maybe that’s what the Governor wants (ie, more stupid people) , to increase the amount of his constituency, however.

PappyHappy

February 10th, 2010
8:53 pm

Check the following for all systems — http://www.ajc.com/news/georgia-crct-cheating-scandal-295376.html

The Atlanta system is sad; shocking; and abysmal! Tax payer dollars have been wasted; kids have been cheated from an education; and some heads need to roll — starting at the top. From now on when we hear of all of these ‘miracles’ happening, think that investigators need to be called in immediately!

Do these ‘educators and administrators’ know what they have done to the credibility of teachers in the State of Georgia? Do they know what they have probably done in attracting new businesses to the State? The law going through the legislature needs to be toughened up, and force monetary restitution and barring from teaching if teachers/administrators are caught doing this again!! Right now, WHO CAN TRUST A TEACHER OR ADMINISTRATOR???? SAD ISN’T IT??

Attentive Parent

February 10th, 2010
8:57 pm

Thanks Nikole. No I was going off a contract APS imposed on a charter school in 2007 and what they were requiring.

“Balance” in a curriculum can mean a blend of useful methods or it can be pure rhetoric designed to ward of any more questions. Given the specific materials cited, it was the latter here.

I think we can all agree that no child should get to 2nd grade without a teacher or other adult explaining basically that “sounds have letters that represent them in print”. In addition, the effort of mastering letter-sound correspondences is so much easier if you’ve heard wonderful stories you’d like to read to yourself.

Guided Reading and Reading Recovery are particular curriculums as is Zig’s Direct Instruction.

Seems like your idea of guided reading is in fact more of a balance. My concern stems from what the field tested or Stanovich peer reviewed research shows works with “at risk” kids and the consequences on literacy and numeracy if that research is being systematically ignored by a school district.

S. Purdue

February 10th, 2010
8:59 pm

But don’t ya’ll see that all of the teachers overwhelmingly support my new bonus pay for test scores plan? Aw shucks, a lil erasing never hurt nobody. Keep jumping like poodles thru those hoops teachers.

Happy Teacher

February 10th, 2010
9:01 pm

Colin- I have no idea where you are getting your “information”, but charters are more regulated than a regular public school. Not only do they have to follow the rules and standards of the the district they are in, they also are responsible for living up to the standards set forth in their charter.

For the larger issue: Why are so many blaming the standards for the cheating? The cheating is the problem, not the fact that our student’s achievment is measured.

Lou

February 10th, 2010
9:20 pm

I taught in APS from 2003-2007, quit twice. I would never send my kids to APS and I don’t even have children. I heard of cheating and even saw other teachers do it. Senior teachers would even say to hover over a kid and point to the answer. As a new teacher, I was shocked at the lack of integrity. I understand the pressure of NCLB, but this does nothing to serve the students. Nepotism and that frat/sorority favoritism runs rampant in APS. A lot of the tenured teachers need to be let go with the Walden, Capella, University of Phoenix bought degrees just to get higher pay. It is disgusting. Dr.Hall and all those schools “on the floor”, yeah I see your names on the severe list. and Dr. Hall received Super of the year? Really? AJC just open up an anonymous phone line and I am sure floods of teachers will tell you more of the cheating.

Shar

February 10th, 2010
9:25 pm

I could not agree more that parents need to deliver on basic responsibilities in regards to their children’s education readiness. I believe that a part of the registration process should be to make parents/guardians sign a binding agreement that their child will arrive at school healthy, on time, rested, with all necessary preparation/homework completed, fed and prepared to behave in such a way that teachers can teach and other students can learn. If those conditions are not agreed to, or are not met, those students should be placed in schools that operate from 7:00 am to 7:00 pm and that centralize the extra services that children with negligent parents need: three meals a day, school nurse/clinic, after school study hall with assistance for homework and test preparation, after school sports or music enrichment, etc. If the parents can deliver their child to school with all of those conditions met, they have earned the right to have more choice and schools which focus on advanced learning and enrichment within the usual school hours.

Education may be a protected right, but school choice is not. If parents cannot participate in their children’s education, others must step in and make the commitments and decisions necessary for students to succeed. We cannot afford to stretch resources too thin trying to make every school all things for all students, nor can we expect teachers to operate in bulging classrooms with kids in a huge range of needs, preparation and ability. This does not work, and it never will.

That said, the cheating is inexcusable. A functional education is all most kids will have to help them go forward in life, and that is being denied to them by the greed and self interest of teachers and administrators.

Hall must go NOW. Cox must go NOW. The Board must go as soon as possible. Cheating teachers must be prosecuted. We need to start over.

Maureen Downey

February 10th, 2010
9:26 pm

Lou, Did you ever complain to the principal? If so, what was the response?
Maureen

Kids R GreaT

February 10th, 2010
9:32 pm

I teach in a public charter school. We must abide by state and local laws and regulations. Not only that, but we have our own goals that we create for ourselves. Believe me we must answer to administrators and our State BOE as well as our stake holders. It keeps us on our toes and helps us continue to challenge ourselves as professional teachers.
Pappy Happy, you can trust many of us. I’ve worked as a teacher for 29 years. I respect my system and my administrators. Cheating is not glorified and there are many steps we take in TRYING to ensure the security of the testing. Making a blanket statement about distrusting us isn’t helpful. We need you out there praising the good and helping us get rid of the bad! You volunteered to come in and help. I think that is the first step in the right direction. Way to go! Wish I had you in my district. Cheating is BAD and hopefully that will be addressed without accusations flying around about all of us. Goodness, I know I am one of many that would be scared to death to do something like that! It certainly isn’t worth costing my reputation as a good teacher. Wish all this energy was “canned and available for purchase where we need it”! Lots of information out there to read and ponder before jumping to conclusions about all teachers and school personnel.

d

February 10th, 2010
9:33 pm

People respond to incentives in predictable ways — and guess what will happen the second “pay for performance” linked to test scores comes to Georgia schools. E-mail your senators. SB386 MUST DIE!

Public School Parent

February 10th, 2010
9:39 pm

I think the taxpayers in the City of Atlanta should demand that Ms. Hall return all those huge bonuses she gets based on student performance. Obviously they were not earned. This is just incredible and shameful and terribly sad for the students.
It will be very interesting to see if any teachers come forward. I have long wondered if the erasures are made by administrators after the teachers turn in the tests.
If you have been teaching students who were several grade levels behind and then learn that they either met or exceeded expectations on the CRCT, wouldn’t you think something was fishy?

Happy Teacher

February 10th, 2010
9:40 pm

This scandal will be the best thing to happen to merit pay. So many schools and districts have the testing thing down tight, the cheating districts and schools will have no choice now but to tighten up as well. If nothing else, that much good should come out of this abomination.

Kids R GreaT

February 10th, 2010
9:44 pm

Raise your hand if you cheated! Just as I thought.
Now that is the way to find all those cheaters!
I teach and I feel very defensive about all this. Boy…all I can say is there are a lot of folks out there with a tremendous amount of ill will against the schools. Many opinions about tons of stuff are being aired, but not much is being said to give solutions…..so , short of firing all of us and hiring all of you….what other ideas do you have? As for me, I will continue to give all I can to my babies each day. I will continue to go above and beyond what is asked of me and I hope that my future students will continue to come and invite me to their college graduations and their weddings! I love teaching. My students learn!

I Teach Too!

February 10th, 2010
9:46 pm

Today is a sad day! Many of you express your opinions or make unsupported accusations, but I work in the trenches everyday. I see teachers who get to work early to tutor kids and stay extremely late to work with kids. We have Saturday school. We provide enrichment activities after school and even sponsor numerous field trips trying to provide the exposure and experiences their parents do not or cannot provide. Why? We are trying to close the achievement gap. We work really hard. Please don’t be so quick to assume the worst in people. Some…I think most teachers in APS are offended by the accusations. Our efforts are finally paying off. Our children are making improvements, and I believe for the most part the gains are real. If you know anything about statistics, then you know you can make data show whatever you want it to show. This entire situation is a witch hunt by our governor who wants to discredit Beverly Hall, APS, and the gains made by minority children.

Legend of Len Barker

February 10th, 2010
9:49 pm

There are ways to cheat CRCT. I worked in a middle school, though not as a classroom teacher. I did sit in one year as an extra pair of eyes in one teacher’s classroom. We played by the book, which is proven by exceedingly low amount of flagged tests.

I cannot blame any school that cheats. The CRCT is very flawed. It fails to take anything into account except a pass/fail ratio. You can flunk if a certain percentage of minorities fail, including Hispanic children who came to your system speaking no English. You can flunk if your special ed kids actually test out as, you know, special ed and fail the test. You can be needs improvement if your parents don’t make their kids go to school and the absence rate is too high.

The CRCT fails to understand that Johnny might move in a week before the test and he came from another school system. Hey, Johnny’s in your school on the days of the test, so he’s your problem. At some point Georgia History is slated to count as something kids must past. Suppose little Susie moves in a week before testing and she’s from Montana. The CRCT says it’s your fault that Susie doesn’t know Georgia History.

Until the state admits just how terrible the CRCT is for schools, teachers, and students, I refuse to vilify any system who is desperate. If the pass/fail were only on paper without any consequences, yes. But the stakes are too high and rely too much on an incredibly flawed program and approach to education in the state of Georgia.

True, there are some bad teachers, but there are also plenty of bad parents and plenty of bad students. The problem is that only the teachers have the finger pointed at them.

Educator

February 10th, 2010
9:51 pm

To: State Department of Education, Governor Sunny Perdue, Superintendents, Principals, Assistant Principals, Teachers, Parents, &
Significant Others:

And My people who are called by My name humble themseleves
and PRAY, and seek My face and turn from their wicked ways
then I will hear from heaven, will forgive their sin,
and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles:14

You may not believe it, but I do!!!!!! PUT PRAYER BACK IN
SCHOOL FOR THE SAKE OF OUR FUTURE, GOD!

QueenBea

February 10th, 2010
9:54 pm

What is more suspicious to me is the schools with NO percentage of erasures…HMMmm.. how could that be possible????

Now What?

February 10th, 2010
9:54 pm

I Teach Too, I’m sure your principal LOVES you! I know for FACT that cheating happens in MOST APS schools. That doesn’t mean the teachers don’t work hard. They go above and beyond their duties every single day. But, when you have students who come to you 2 and 3 grade levels behind, even if you get that child to move up by 2 grade levels, they still won’t be “on level”. You can continue to be blind or overlook evidence if you like. But, I and many other responders are witnesses that cheating is much more common than you think. Even when teachers aren’t cheating, administrators are. I’ve seen it happen.

Maureen, do you really want the truth? My posts seem to have been ignored, and many of us are telling you that we know the truth first hand.

john konop

February 10th, 2010
10:02 pm

Kathy Cox has been hiding the decline in PSAT scores. Does it make any logical sense that CRCT scores would go up unless something was wrong? Why would anyone think a one size fit all curriculum that failed in New York, Washington… would work here?

This is like a general sending the troops out with pocket knives and wondering why the troops are dysfunctional from top to bottom while getting shot at!

Kathy Cox please resign before you do any more damage!

Test Instead of Teach Teacher

February 10th, 2010
10:07 pm

Happy Teacher, You have no clue! Your naivete is showing (at best) or your lack of knowledge and teaching experience (at worst).

Happy Teacher

February 10th, 2010
10:11 pm

Yeah, another teacher with no clue about education. Sorry.

If we look at the “other” results of this scandal, we see a LOT of teacher doing the right thing. All the time. No excuses made. Ever.

So, I feel like they should be rewarded for doing their job well, because, most likely, they made value-added gains with their students this year as well. With as thankless as being a teacher can be, a merit-based acknowledgement of a job well-done would be great for the good teachers in Georgia.

d

February 10th, 2010
10:12 pm

john konop….. right now our General Assembly is prepared to do more damage than Kathy Cox ever could. If we, the people of Georgia, don’t stand up to the General Assembly, any chance of economic recovery is out the door. Companies aren’t going to continue to move to Georgia (Kia and NCR just to name two in the last year or two) if they cannot count on a good public school system for their employees’ children — and their future work force.

CharterStarter, too

February 10th, 2010
10:12 pm

Hey Collin, please check the charter schools law and state board rule – it’s illegal for private and/or private schools to become a charter.

Totally unregulated? Kindly explain what you mean. Our charters have to report to their authorizers, and once yearly they complete an annual report and publish their audit results.

It’s fine to critique, but could you kindly stick to criticizing something you can factually speak about?

ScienceTeacher671

February 10th, 2010
10:12 pm

John Konop, if ITBS scores were stellar, I suspect DOE would be publicizing them as well.

Maureen Downey

February 10th, 2010
10:14 pm

QueenBea, It wasn’t that the schools had no erasures. They had none that exceeded the averages.
Maureen

MS Man

February 10th, 2010
10:21 pm

Not that it really matters, but kids are only counted for AYP academic achievement on the CRCT if they are in the classroom for the Full Academic Year. FAY means that they were enrolled during the October FTE count and the March FTE count in the same school. If they weren’t there all year, they don’t count towards the academic achievement scores for a school. They do count for attendance, but not academic achievement.

Maureen Downey

February 10th, 2010
10:22 pm

Now what, Under the proposed merit pay, you will be rewarded if you move that child up by two grade levels, even if the child remains below grade level.
I think there is no doubt that cheating is occurring, based on the data review, which was color blind and purely flagged schools on aberrant patterns.
I would like the truth of how cheating is occurring. So please share it with us or e-mail me directly at mdowney@ajc.com.
What I don’t get is why so many teachers here report seeing cheating firsthand. My question to all of you: What did you do about it when you saw it?
If you reported it, what happened. If you did not report it, why not?
Maureen

Sponge Bob

February 10th, 2010
10:25 pm

Hey Dr. Hall, please go get your “Superintendent of the Year” Award, place it in the box it came in and return to sender. Once you are done with that, go get a broom so you can sweep up the pieces of your shattered career.

Test Instead of Teach Teacher

February 10th, 2010
10:26 pm

Happy Teacher, This has nothing to do with “other” teachers. It has nothing to do with “excuses”. This has everything to do with merit pay making this problem worse. Test scores do not “prove” better teachers. Some of the BEST teachers work at Title 1 schools who usually have lower scores because of poverty, transient rate, etc. Many high scoring schools do not have these problems, thus, contributing to their higher scores. Test scores “prove” what schools have less problems and more resources. Hopefully, I stated this in a way a former chef, like yourself can understand. Teach a little bit longer and your rose colored glasses will change their tint.

Happy Teacher

February 10th, 2010
10:27 pm

Maureen-
We had a number of students transfer to our school this year who were supposedly “level 3″ on the CRCT, but who scored in the single digits on our diagnotic tests. Most of these students went to the same school before transferring, which raised all kinds of red flags.

I reported the findings directly to Ms. Mathers at OSA and she was extremely attentive and helpful. And, apparently, since the school in question had a huge number of classrooms in question, she has revealed what we reported.

Now, if we can just undo the harm done to these kids as quickly…

Maureen Downey

February 10th, 2010
10:30 pm

Sponge Bob, Is there any way she emerges unscathed from this?
Maureen

Now What?

February 10th, 2010
10:31 pm

I listed several ways cheating occurs in an earlier post. The truth is there. I know of teachers who tried to speak up and were “punished” for it by their admins. Suddenly, their evaluations were all bad. They were getting write ups for all kinds of things. etc…. The principals have ways of “getting you” if you make them mad. And, there’s no one to really report it to. The central office doesn’t take teacher complaints seriously unless it becomes a lawsuit. And, for teachers who REALLY speak up, they often find ways to terminate them or force them to quit. It’s a big mess.

john konop

February 10th, 2010
10:33 pm

d,

The truth is tax revenue is dying and the Perdue budget is based on 4.5% growth. The truth is the budget might have to add another 1 billion dollars of cuts on top of the current proposed cuts.

In my opinion I would cut the DOE, 20% of all administrators, 20% cut back on salaries of employees making over 6 figures, consolidate resources of colleges and vocational with High Schools, raise lunch prices, fuel charge for buses, make sure all sport teams cash flow on participation fees before taking money away from teachers and the classroom.

I warn without the tough love cuts I proposed and more, you will see 4 day school week, major teacher layoffs, teacher pay cuts……..

I challenge Maureen or anyone at the AJC or on his blog to do the math on the Perdue budget and tell me how I am wrong! And if you think a tax increase will fly in this job market you need to look around at your unemployed or underemployed friends.

Maureen Downey

February 10th, 2010
10:33 pm

Now what, Now, there is the Governor’s Office of Student Achievement. I think it is safe to say that Kathleen Mathers will take complaints seriously, as Happy Teacher’s experience suggests.
You can also complain to the media. The AJC began its yearlong look at CRCT scores because of teacher complaints to us of cheating. It was those stories that led to the state actions, so I think teachers who complain are being heard. (I think it is fair to say that the extent of score tampering surprised even the reporters who have been working on this story for a year.)
Maureen

Happy Teacher

February 10th, 2010
10:38 pm

You hit the nail on the head Maureen. Teachers need to stand up way more often than they do. I think they would be pleasantly surprised by what they find they can accomplish.

Maureen Downey

February 10th, 2010
10:39 pm

John, I don’t think you are wrong, but I don;’t think there is political will to do some of those things, including cutting back on high salaried employees, raising lunch prices or making certain participant fees underwrite sports. Nor do I think those changes are enough. I think we will have four day weeks and more furloughs.
Maureen

john konop

February 10th, 2010
10:45 pm

Maureen Downey,

I appreciate your honesty! Why not lay out the problem and make it a post on your blog? I really do think you would provide a major service to the community educating people about this issue so voters can ask informed questions to the people running for office

AJC policy

February 10th, 2010
10:47 pm

Ms. Downey, you have stated that you want to know the truth of how cheating is occurring and to please share it or e-mail me directly at mdowney@ajc.com.

If people were to share their concerns on this blog, does the AJC have a written policy that would protect the anonymity of bloggers by preventing AJC employees from sharing identifying information with school or government officials who don’t like what’s being posted?

Do you have a personal policy as far as protecting the anonymity of those who would blog or email you? I think there are those out there who might be willing to add their voices to this blog, but for them, trust is an issue.

d

February 10th, 2010
10:49 pm

Maureen,
GAE has been pushing for a temporary 1/2 cent sales tax — ear marked for education. I’ve mentioned this here in previous blogs too, but Representative Lindsey has pretty much dismissed the idea out of hand. Look at some numbers though. 1/2% is a 50-cent increase on a $100 purchase, hardly an impact to most people, but better yet, how many people flying through — just connecting — at Hartsfield-Jackson buy a cup of coffee, how many people drive through Georgia on their way to Florida and so on would be assisting with paying for Georgia’s education? I really think the General Assembly needs to look very seriously at this idea.

Maureen Downey

February 10th, 2010
10:54 pm

AJC policy, We would never give school systems or anyone else any information about posters here or their e-mails. However, news reporters have asked me to send e-mails to posters and ask if they would talk to a reporter. I see the posters’ e-mails as moderator, but reporters don’t have that access so they have to ask me for them. Not all posters use real e-mails so some folks cannot be contacted. But you can post here without worrying about your e-mail being sent to anyone. Again, if AJC reporters read a comment, they might say please see if “Unhappy in Cobb” or “Happy in Rockdale” will allow me to contact them. But that’s the limit to any contact outside of the blog.
Maureen

AJC policy

February 10th, 2010
10:59 pm

Thank you Ms. Downey, that’s good to know. Let’s hope this leads to more people willing to share on this blog, and help bring about some changes.

retired

February 10th, 2010
11:03 pm

Science teacher..you said all that needs to be said!

Pompano

February 10th, 2010
11:10 pm

All that we seem to get for throwing more money at education is +$100k administrators and a whole host of personnel that never actually get up in front of a class and teach. Instead of getting rid of poor performing teachers (like the ones trying to justify/defend the cheating here in this blog), we make up positions to place them in that create a major drain on the system (Data Specialist, Graduation coaches, etc). As taxpayers, it’s difficult to convice us that additional dollars will not just be tossed into a black-hole with no accountability.

I can certainly understand the outrage on the part of honest teachers – no organization can deliver high-performance without effective leadership from the top – and it really bites that this reflects negatively on many of you that do not deserve it. Sounds like the cheating at APS is very organized – and if you cannot understand taxpayer outrage at this then you’re likely not one of the innocent ones.

john konop

February 10th, 2010
11:15 pm

ScienceTeacher671

Great point!!!!

Teachasa2ndCareer

February 10th, 2010
11:19 pm

I have been an APS teacher for 7 years. This is a calling for me and I teach in what is classified as an urban area. Also, I have been an APS Parent for over 14 years. I have met some outstanding teachers and now I consider myself one of them. I work hard as a teacher by not only guiding my students through their education but continuously representing a model of learning. Cheating is not something that I have seen at my school. We tell our children (& my own children) to go back and review your answers. I have seen at least 3-5 erasures on each test over the years. A few kids are nervous and don’t look forward to this time of the year at all. So, are we not to tell children to check their answers especially those that they aren’t quite sure about? We are constantly bombarded with reform models and overloading of testing before we even take the state test. We are asked to guide kids who come to us 2-3 years behind, who can’t read, who come throught the door with a lot of emotional baggage. I don’t mind accountability and I don’t mind being assessed to see what a child knows. What I do mind…are politicians and others who don’t have a clue of what’s involved; 1 test that determines the movement of a child instead of a percentage of the final grade; adminstrators who don’t involve teachers in the decision process of curriculum and instruction; funds that are cut for tutoring; parents who refuse and don’t take the time out to get involved with their child’s progress; students who angrily and sometimes violently interrupt classes on a daily basis; connecting pay to the CRCT; the uneven support from political, social, corporate, and educational groups between the predominant urban areas and the predominant suburban areas; no pre-k program for all kids; no mandatory schooling until the age of 6 (i.e. kids don’t have to attend kindergarten); comparing and trying to model American schools that are homegenous to schools around the world that are mostly heterogenous where some test less–have longer school days—go to Saturday schools—have more teacher planning time—less school days; and that I am the only one that should be accountable. We all are responsible and accountable and until we begin to listen and incorporate both worlds then we will never get close to solving this issue. Bottom line…I love my family & I like what I do. On test day, the kids know what they know. By the way, my husband and I are parents that have 3 kids and do what we are suppose to do….check the teachers, check our children, check ourselves and make absolutely sure that homework is completed, teachers are contacted, and our children are supported when material is difficult!

BlondeHoney

February 10th, 2010
11:22 pm

Lou, I’m not a teacher but I am a parent with an endless amount of respect for teachers and I did NOT ‘buy’, as you say, my degree from the Universityof Phoenix, I worked exceedingly hard for it and deserved it. I’m offended by your insinuation.

Teachasa2ndCareer

February 10th, 2010
11:28 pm

I have been an APS teacher for 7 years. This is a calling for me and I teach in what is classified as an urban area. Also, I have been an APS Parent for over 14 years. I have met some outstanding teachers and now I consider myself one of them. I work hard as a teacher by not only guiding my students through their education but continuously representing a model of learning. Cheating is not something that I have seen at my school. We tell our children (& my own children) to go back and review your answers. I have seen at least 3-5 erasures on each test over the years. A few kids are nervous and don’t look forward to this time of the year at all. So, are we not to tell children to check their answers especially those that they aren’t quite sure about?

We are constantly bombarded with reform models and overloading of testing before we even take the state test. We are asked to guide kids who come to us 2-3 years behind, who can’t read, who come through the door with a lot of emotional baggage. I don’t mind accountability and I don’t mind being assessed to see what a child knows.

What I do mind…are politicians and others who don’t have a clue of what’s involved; 1 test that determines the movement of a child instead of a percentage of the final grade; administrators who don’t involve teachers in the decision process of curriculum and instruction; funds that are cut for tutoring; parents who refuse and don’t take the time out to get involved with their child’s progress; students who angrily and sometimes violently interrupt classes on a daily basis; connecting pay to the CRCT; the uneven support from political, social, corporate, and educational groups between the predominant urban areas and the predominant suburban areas; no pre-k program for all kids; no mandatory schooling until the age of 6 (i.e. kids don’t have to attend kindergarten); comparing and trying to model American schools that are homogenous to schools around the world that are mostly heterogeneous where some test less–have longer school days—go to Saturday schools—have more teacher planning time—less school days; and that I am the only one that should be accountable. We all are responsible and accountable and until we begin to listen and incorporate both worlds then we will never get close to solving this issue.

Bottom line…I love my family & I love my calling. On test day, the kids know what they know and they remember what they can.

By the way, my husband and I are parents that have 3 kids and do what we are suppose to do….check the teachers, check our children, check ourselves and make absolutely sure that homework is completed, teachers are contacted, and our children are supported when material is difficult!

Ditto, TeachToo!

Teachasa2ndCareer

February 10th, 2010
11:38 pm

I wonder why schools like Cobb, Gwinnett, Fayette, etc. don’t have enough erasures to report? Are you saying that they don’t cheat? Is it because these predominantly caucasian counties are passing because of more opportunities, support, and exposure for their students? or Do they get the test beforehand like college kids did back in the 80s? Are you saying that urban children can’t possibly be working hard enough to improve their educational deficiencies? Are we doing blanket accusations with not concrete proof just stastical data? Tell me, what are we saying?

Stressed Educator

February 10th, 2010
11:54 pm

Finally! What took GOSA so long to confirm what teachers in APS have been reporting for years. I teach in APS and know firsthand that cheating occurs on the CRCT. There are some great teachers in APS that work in the trenches every day to educate children who are more than 2 grade levels below grade level, but greedy principals, money hungry executive directors, fake model teachers and incompotent instructional coaches overshadow the true work of teachers. At the beginning of this school year, the staff was informed by the new principal that she would place anyone on a Professional Developement Plan who did not have at least 77% of their students passing the test. She also told us to make sure students pass by any means. Humm? Wonder what she really meant? It was rather funny to see that the school she headed last year had one of the largest percentages for erasure marks.

At my former school in APS, when we received kids from the elementary schools and were asked by the students, while taking a district benchmark, how were we going to “tap” out the answers—I automatically knew something was wrong! When we complained to the Executive Director, not only did she get rid of our principal but threatened to have our jobs if we spoke of our findings to anyone else. The principal wrote letters to the OIR department and made phone calls to report it, but the Director of OIR swept that under the rug just like she did all the other complaints. It is time for Dr. Hall to clean house from her office (Augustine, Executive Director, Office of Research, etc.) all the way down to principals and classroom cheats who do not care about the education of children. Let the REAL teachers teach. So you see Maureen, APS teachers report cheating and try to follow protocol, but most have stopped this since those who report cheating seem to lose their jobs or are forced out of the system.

teacher2

February 10th, 2010
11:58 pm

Well the ones of us who teach in neighboring counties have known this for years. We get kids all the time who have outstanding test scores but can hardly read. Will ole Bev have to give back those big ole bonuses she has gotten for great test scores. boo hoo

teacher2

February 10th, 2010
11:59 pm

OMG surely you are not playing the race card here?????

teacher2

February 11th, 2010
12:04 am

Ditto on the bought degrees. I am in Clayton County and we are fully staffed with administrators who are Dr.’s. Most of them are weak at best. Is there a Dr.in the house? With a big ole loan to pay for your bought degree that no self respecting educator respects at all. It is a joke and the funny thing is in Clayton they don’t even get paid for them. But they do enjoy being called Dr. Maybe that is worth $60,000.

edutest

February 11th, 2010
12:06 am

Can you say diploma mill? Clayton’s new supt. actually thought those were “real” degrees. Maybe he has figured that out by now.

edutest

February 11th, 2010
12:08 am

The new super in Clayton actually thought those were legitimate degrees. Maybe he has figured that out by now. Can you say diploma mill?

ed

February 11th, 2010
12:11 am

The funny thing is those bought Dr.’s will never even make back what it cost them to buy the degree. But I guess being call Dr. is worth it. Dr. Dumb.

Lou

February 11th, 2010
12:28 am

BlondeHoney, I was referring to the countless amount of teachers teaching in the classroom who buy another degree to get another notch on the payscale. As a parent and taxpayer, that is okay with you? To apply online for a school, get in with relative ease and take classes with questionable rigor? Also, I have taught in two different APS schools and have been told by teachers they were only getting their master’s or doctorate for higher pay, not to become better teachers…they were already near retirement and just wanted the money. On top of that, they were doing class work when they should have been teaching kids. Now. I don’t know what you could be offended by, since If you went to school there, it is no secret that those are not very reputable schools overall and you know it. Granted experience and work ethic counts, but overall those schools with the flashing banners on your email are not great.

Lou

February 11th, 2010
12:36 am

Big difference between being educated and being intelligent people. Way too many doctorates and master’s floating around on the pay scale. There was a Dr. so-so as principal at my school who was rather inarticulate and couldn’t correctly format a letter without grammar mistakes. I mean even with spell check? I am sorry, but I have yet to meet a University of Phoenix, Walden, Capella grad that I respect.

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February 11th, 2010
2:06 am

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Ben

February 11th, 2010
5:13 am

As a teacher I can assure you that there is a tremendous amount of pressure to perform on the test. Yet, there are easy fixes to this problem. First, stop allowing systems to place students that do not meet standards. They do not have to go back into a traditional classroom but into a “different” classroom. There are many teachers I work with that would love to work with this group. Systems do not want or are unwilling to admit they have problems. Second, stop classroom testing. If you are going to test – do it in the gym or lunchroom. A large setting with multiple monitors. Third, stop making excuses about where students come from. Special ed students have learned to game the system and so have other students. Set a standard and make them meet the standard. Finally, I wish I would meet a politician that would admit that every child is not college bound. Allow students a vocational track. Do not track them but let them choose. I just read an article where plumbers, welders heating/AC repair and mechanics would always be in demand. Open this up WITH academics. I am sure there are many exploratory/connection classes where this would work. Just how valuable is a computer class where students spend class drawing flowers every day? How valuable is a career class where they copy career information off a board? These are fillers that serve as babysitters. The school I work at has a lead teacher whose only job is to get the lowest of the low to the next grade. He puts enormous pressure on teachers to make each kid pass and then at the end of the year makes them justify (in report format) why this kid did not pass. So, they do no meet standards, go to the next grade, don’t perform and teachers are under extreme pressure. Cheating is never right and NEVER should be tolerated. BUT, why not deal with the causes at the same time? If the lead teachers are so great (coaches, etc.) why not let them have the students that cannot and make them cans. ALSO, how many posters to this article are non-teachers? Do you mentor in the the public school system? Tutor? Volunteer?

Ben

February 11th, 2010
5:15 am

As a teacher I can assure you that there is a tremendous amount of pressure to perform on the test. Yet, there are easy fixes to this problem. First, stop allowing systems to place students that do not meet standards. They do not have to go back into a traditional classroom but into a “different” classroom. There are many teachers I work with that would love to work with this group. Systems do not want or are unwilling to admit they have problems. Second, stop classroom testing. If you are going to test – do it in the gym or lunchroom. A large setting with multiple monitors. Third, stop making excuses about where students come from. Special ed students have learned to game the system and so have other students. Set a standard and make them meet the standard. Finally, I wish I would meet a politician that would admit that every child is not college bound. Allow students a vocational track. Do not track them but let them choose. I just read an article where plumbers, welders heating/AC repair and mechanics would always be in demand. Open this up WITH academics. I am sure there are many exploratory/connection classes where this would work. Just how valuable is a computer class where students spend class drawing flowers every day? How valuable is a career class where they copy career information off a board? These are fillers that serve as babysitters. The school I work at has a lead teacher whose only job is to get the lowest of the low to the next grade. He puts enormous pressure on teachers to make each kid pass and then at the end of the year makes them justify (in report format) why this kid did not pass. So, they do no meet standards, go to the next grade, don’t perform and teachers are pressured. Cheating is never right and NEVER should be tolerated. BUT, why not deal with the causes at the same time?

Concerned Parent

February 11th, 2010
5:29 am

Posted earlier today on Kyle Wingfield’s AJC blog where he said that testing shouldn’t be eliminated. Thought I would share here as well.

“Kyle, I agree with you that testing has to stay, however, No Mas has a GREAT POINT. I am a parent at one of the schools in the “moderate” category and I am extremely active (PTA Board, room parent, Local School Council). I am also a former teacher from another state w/a Masters degree from a top 10 school and I CHOOSE to volunteer right now rather than work so that I can do what NCLB claims will strengthen schools and that is to be a participating parent. Keep in mind that in addition to the standardized tests, there are also tests every 3 weeks to monitor progress at many schools. These are not spelling tests, etc., but data driven tests to make sure students are on target and to re-teach if they are not.

My principal is phenomenal, but today that same Principal will be sneered at for something I know wasn’t done under his/her watch. Let’s keep in mind that teachers are not the only people who have access to the tests. The tests go thru the hands of proctors from outside of the school who are on the grounds to supervise, they go thru the hands of paraprofessionals, learning specialists, assistant principals and a host of other staff depending on who is designated to do what on testing days. Remember that also, in addition to making state standards, that APS has it’s own set of TARGETS that they brag are more strenuous than what the state needs. They put the thumb of pressure on these educators in a way that I have never seen. It’s sad but done openly. Then they have a big rally or luncheon to “celebrate” all the schools that made or exceeded their targets while everyone around the table smiles, knowing that they’ve earned a bonus directly linked to test scores.

My question is this: Why not go back 5 years and investigate? THAT’s how you will really be able to see a pattern! You need to follow teachers and principals from school to school over the past 5 years if you truly want to see trends because many schools knew they were being watched closely in 2009 but no one would have thought the technology to “see” erasures existed 5 years ago. Going back one year proves little to nothing on it’s own. If you really want to see fireworks AJC, dig deeper. By only focusing on 2009, you’re missing the meat of the story. If you spend enough time around Georgia educators you will hear stories of cheating. Of course they always tell the story of someone else cheating, but still, it’s cheating. This little limited investigation will end up ending the careers of some people who had absolutely nothing to do with cheating, while others, who have moved out of the classroom and into the higher ranks or to other districts will get away scott free.”

Finally caught

February 11th, 2010
6:20 am

This is a true story. A certain principal in APS posted the pass rates of all teachers in a high school on a standardized tests. He insinuated that teachers with low pass rates were bad teachers. These teachers taught majority low income children from those AYP middle schools. The kids came not being able to read. Teachers who had high pass rates taught majority magnet students. The new young women from Teach for America had not performed any miracles. They had the real high achievers. Pullouts began. That is when students do not go to class for weeks because they are being coached to pass the GHSGT. This unqualified principal was one of those crony picks in APS. Two very smart teachers protested. One was called names by the principal in writing and APS did nothing. Scores had to go up by any means necessary. What happened? Honest teachers stayed to work with students but they were too busy running around making babies and fighting. Someone had made it possible for them to reach high school and they were unprepared. Their CRT scores were a lie. Scores went up for the school in the one area where the children did not go to class for SIX weeks. Classroom scores went down and scores on other standardized tests like the EOCT. Learning was not important, just passing the test. The NAEP or whatever national test APS got accolades for was taken by the top 10% of students to make the system look good. Teachers know how to teach. They just want them to teach to the test. The teachers whose scores had been posted tried to explain that their kids came without reading and math skills. But they passed the CRT. Something went wrong in APS.
The principal at that high school said teachers were not teaching. He took the responsibility totally off parents and students. The administrators said the teachers could not teach. So, the teachers started trying to teach to the test. Any parrot or untrained Teach for America person can do that. Learning for the sake of learning no longer takes place. Veteran teachers have classes of students who won’t pick up a book to read anything. If the student does not pass the test you are blamed. Just differentiate instruction. Excuse me. This is 11th grade and 27 of my 30 students read on 2nd grade level. The GHSGT is not differentiated. We are frustrated. The kids coming to us cannot do high school work. Somewhere in elementary school something went wrong.

I saw it first hand. My daughter went to Peyton Forest in 1st grade from private school. She loved to read. After two months she would not pick up a book. Her love had been destroyed. They just teach them to test. The joy of reading for the sake of reading fades fast. She is in 4th grade now and it took everything in me to get her back to reading and it is a fight. Peyton Forest only teaches kids how test.

That is why they cannot critically think when they come to high school. And then they say it is our fault because school did not make AYP. GSU taught me how to teach and make kids think. That is not what APS wants. They hire their cronies to intimidate teachers who have inherited their mess fro elementary school.

I just want to cry. I am still trying to undo some of the damage of Peyton Forest. Parents do not let your children go to APS unless you have money for enrichment and you can get them in magnet and northside schools that do not fear Dr. Hall. They will only learn test otherwise.

just wondering

February 11th, 2010
6:20 am

All we can hope is that there will be a bright side to this exposure. We have to start dealing with the realistic capabilities of these students. When the teachers put in great effort to teach students and the only way for the students to pass is through cheating then we have to change our way of thinking. What can they do? What is the most they can hope to achieve in life? We need to target our education more appropriately. So many of these children have problems that are real barriers to learning, i.e. drug-using parents, fetal alcohol syndrome, lack of role models, moving to a new apartment when the rent comes due, neglect, unhealthy diets, foster care, etc. They are not prepared to learn and it is a waste of our limited resources to pretend we can fight these things and put them on equal ground with our own advantaged and enriched children. I wonder if opening orphanages for these children is not a better solution than welfare to parents to remove them from their pitiful current situations. We might save a few that way.

Attentive Parent

February 11th, 2010
6:36 am

“Opening orphanages”?

Let’s at least insist that APS move away from the discredited constructivist model that it mandates and celebrates. Even Howard Garner himself said that it is the higher performing children from motivated families who can learn well in a discovery setting. To work students need readiness skills that are increasingly lacking anywhere.

Moving to an explicit instruction model that stresses background knowledge for reading and math is much more sensible than alleging race or talking of taking children away from parents. It can work with kids from disadvantaged backgrounds read Work Hard. Be Nice. as an example.

Maureen,

Given the severity and extent of this scandal, can the AJC request copies of all contracts between the State DOE and APS that involve EOCTs, CRCTs, and preparation of the GPS in any subject areas, including the Frameworks?

CTMC

February 11th, 2010
8:06 am

This is SO BOGUS. Small children are taught test taking skills of elimination. When they go through the elimination process THEY erase any answer they find may be incorrect and mark the correct one.
They should not generalize and think any erased answer was done by some adult.

john konop

February 11th, 2010
8:07 am

I will remind everyone after DeKalb cheating scandal any rational person would know we have a problem. Instead of looking at was caused the problem Kathy Cox has hidden test results and lied about using the Massachusetts ‘framework” for her new failed math curriculum. This is not just an APS problem. Students are cheated everyday by this one size fit all teach to the test system. Also Kathy Cox has set a tone of people who point out issues that do fit her lobbyist driven agenda are clearly put in their place or pushed out! I challenge anyone to talk to teachers how they were treated for speaking up about this scandal, failed new math curriculum…… This is culture set by Kathy Cox that allowed and promoted this behavior!

We need to let students foster their skill sets they have an aptitude for, instead of pounding square pegs into round holes. And we need a new leader who will set a tone of honestly dealing with issues over covering it up the problems and spinning lobbyist driven curriculums for CASH, jobs…. over what is best for the kids.

July 9th 2009

…..Superintendent Cox emphasized that the overwhelming majority of schools administer state tests honestly and in full compliance with state and federal law.

“The vast majority of educators are highly ethical and deeply concerned with following the rules,” she said. “While any cheating is cause for concern, I am confident it is not a widespread issue and that we have a valid, trustworthy testing program in Georgia.”…..

http://www.doe.k12.ga.us/pea_communications.aspx?ViewMode=1&obj=1843

ATLNative

February 11th, 2010
8:25 am

These are some very interesting statistics being reported on. However, regarding cheating, I do want to throw out one more scenario. Isn’t it possible that teachers could tell students to “leave all answers you are unsure of blank” and then go through and fill in the right answers. This scenario would presumably escape the methodology adopted by the state and accomplish the same objective.

Attentive Parent

February 11th, 2010
8:26 am

John,

This article from EdWeek yesterday also contains studies showing that Georgia’s new math curriculum disregards the evidence of what works in so many ways.

Here’s the article http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2010/02/10/21algebra_ep.h29.html?tkn=SLWFswhOcFWGJUb0rHf44TMbUilBIcab%2F0J4&cmp=clp-edweek

Please note that there are several points in here that each creates problems with Ga’s current math.

1) You have to fix the foundation in arithmetic before anyone is ready for Algebra

2) Heterogeneous math classes lower what any group is able to do.

3) The one standard for all holds back the highest achieving kids.

There are lots of gold nuggets in the story without even getting to the problem of explicit instruction vs a discovery focus.

There are real problems with CRCTs in Georgia but the low thresholds of proficiency are well established. As teachers are poignantly describing here, this cheating scandal is fundamentally an attempt to cover up the fact that too many APS kids are not learning to read well or do basic arithmetic.

This cheating scandal denies parents and taxpayers the opportunity to fix the problems before more children’s futures are compromised.

[...] Check out the lead in story below…..full story: HERE. [...]

Shar

February 11th, 2010
9:16 am

The day before yesterday I called my neighborhood APS middle school to ask when they start their Saturday School for CRCT preparation. I’ll be there on February 27, along with my two kids who graduated from that school, to tutor. I urge any of you to do likewise, either at your elementary or middle schools, to help the students and to gauge for yourselves the level of mastery these kids have attained. If your school is not holding Saturday classes, you might want to ask why.

This morning Cox and Hall are righteously claiming that they will launch “deeper investigations” of the data to “get to the bottom of what happened in those classrooms.” That’s more tax money being spent by those with a vested interest in making sure this problem goes away. No, no more, no way. No administrator who is affected by these findings should be allowed to direct investigators or allocate money. Based on the postings to this blog, their previous attempts to deny or minimize the problems and the extent of the cheating, they are far too exposed to permit honest answers to surface. All further investigation must be done by contractors with no prior association with the state DOE or APS.

The only thing that talks, of course, is money. For that reason, students in schools with extensive cheating should be given vouchers. No child should be trapped in a school where the staff is so eager to betray them.

APS Employee

February 11th, 2010
9:27 am

What I find upsetting is that the “reccomendation” for schools on the severe list is for the supernintendo to do an investigation. Um…. I don’t think Beverly Hall is going to turn herself in, do you? “Scandals” such as this one have come out before and nothing is ever done. I hope this raises the eyebrows of some folks who are in a position to take some real action.

APS Employee

February 11th, 2010
9:28 am

By the way, I am an APS employee who is on leave (unpaid) – Just wanted whoever read this to know that I’m not using taxpayer $ to sit around and yack on the computer.

APS Employee

February 11th, 2010
9:39 am

Here’s APS’s reply on their website. Sounds like the excuses are already coming:

APS Initiates Investigation into State CRCT Test Erasure Findings

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE FEBRUARY 10, 2010

ATLANTA — APS has launched an investigation into the findings of the Governor’s Office of Student Achievement’s analysis of Criterion-Referenced Competency Test (CRCT) answer sheets for the 2008-2009 school year, which indicate that a large number of district schools experienced a high frequency of erasures in comparison with other school districts around the state.



APS is working closely with state officials to determine the root cause for this finding involving district schools. At the state’s request, the district will conduct a thorough and detailed review and analysis of CRCT test administration and procedures at the schools that experienced a higher than average frequency of answer sheet erasures on last year’s test. The district will also commission an independent review and analysis.



APS agrees with the state and independent testing experts that a larger than average number of erasures warrants further investigation, although erasure frequency in and of itself does not constitute evidence of testing irregularities in the absence of other factors.
 


Prior to the administration of the CRCT, students are specifically instructed to thoroughly review their answers and erase or change them as appropriate. 
 


In the event the investigations uncover testing irregularities, APS will take immediate action.

d

February 11th, 2010
9:56 am

d took over my log in d.

Sub

February 11th, 2010
10:09 am

What I don’t get is why so many teachers here report seeing cheating firsthand. My question to all of you: What did you do about it when you saw it?

A teacher who would complain to an Administrator about cheating would be in danger of losing their job. Doesn’t take a brilliant mind to figure that out.

Sub

February 11th, 2010
10:18 am

What I find most disturbing is the suggestion that teachers should be rewarded for the test socres of their students. It all depends on the population of the students. For example, if I teach ELL at Northview as oppossed to ELL at Centenial, which school teachers will eventually get higher pay? Obviously Northview, not because the teachers are better, but because the parents of Northview students are more involved.

Happy Teacher

February 11th, 2010
10:20 am

Teachers in the nicer schools will actually have the harder time Sub, because the formula used will be a value-added system that rewards improvement over the course of a year. No passsing rates…that’s the (too) common misconception.

Elizabeth

February 11th, 2010
10:22 am

Excuse me– but unless I can no longer read, I did NOT hear anyone “defending cheating” in this blog. What I heard was people explaining how much ther pressure of perfoming leads to frustration, fear, and panic. CHEATING IS WRONG AND I WILL NOT DEFEND IT.But in case you did not notice, it is widespreqd in all professions, not just education. Why else are we bailing out Wall Street, banks, and companies like AIG?

In my classroom kids try to copy homework, classwork, and anything else they can, and they do not think that LETTING someone copy your work is cheating. We fight a lsoing battle against plagiarism because kids think that copying and pasting from the internet is okay and is not cheating.When they then receive a zero on their research paper, the parents complain and I am forced to change the grade.

I truly do not know how teachers do the cheating on thes tests. At my school, we don’t have materials long enough to do erasures at this level. But the test administrators have access to the locked room where the materials are stored. They are the ones who have the time and the access.

Those who state that merit pay will aggravate the situation are correct. It is inevitable. Teachers do not expect to make millions, but they do expect to make a living wage. There are always greedy people who will exploit the system. However, I do not believe that most of us do that even when they are labeled, as they are in this blog, as “poor performing teachers” because they do not teach gifted or advanced students and have no way to control what goes on at home.

By the way,I agree that we could raise prices on some things. But school lunch prices are FEDERALLY controlled and cannot be altered by school systems. This is just another example of outsiders who have never been in a school thinking that they “know” what goes on.

ed

February 11th, 2010
10:32 am

How about looking at the schools in Clayton County who had 20% erasers. We will see if the new super has the guts to investigate them. He should is all I am going to say. And one of them was the Principal of the Year. Oh excuse me , Dr. Principal of the Year. Can you say joke?

TAKE ACTION!

February 11th, 2010
10:32 am

You think cheating is bad now? What is SB 386 Merit Pay passes??? Join the Facebook group GEORGIANS AGAINST MERIT PAY.
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=299584138908

Barb

February 11th, 2010
10:33 am

No the Clayton Co. superintendent is too busy investigating his chief of HR and his ladies.

Barb

February 11th, 2010
10:34 am

Wait I should have said trying to cover for his chief of HR and his ladies.

Maureen Downey

February 11th, 2010
10:38 am

Sub, Then why not report it to the state?

Maureen

Critical Parent

February 11th, 2010
10:41 am

After this scandal, I can’t imagine anybody would still support any system that ties compensation to test scores (or test score improvements). We’ve gone from teaching to the test to teachers taking the test as a result of all this emphasis on testing. The new merit system has not been fully thought out and situations like these show it.

RJ

February 11th, 2010
10:44 am

Maureen, to answer your question, I think that teachers feel that somehow their name may be leaked. It could be professional suicide.

Chana Paige

February 11th, 2010
11:23 am

No matter what anyone says, conclusions have already been drawn by GOSA that cheating has occurred. Everyone knows that if any of the teachers had told anyone, it would have cost them their job or caused them to get railroaded forever. There is no way to determine how many erasures were made by the actual student. All of this is ludicrous and now that the entire state of Georgia is looking ridicoulously STUPID, the message is to not make assumptions! GIVE ME A FREAKIN BREAK!

Mac

February 11th, 2010
11:42 am

“Maureen, to answer your question, I think that teachers feel that somehow their name may be leaked. It could be professional suicide.”

PSC will not accept a complaint without a name – that name is not confidential.

Many times you will be retaliated against. Just an unfortunate fact.

MyOpinion

February 11th, 2010
11:46 am

@ATLNative

One reason why a teacher may not tell students not to leave an answer they are unsure of blank is because on scan-trons there is a strong possibility that the student will forget to skip the line for the unanswered questions and continue on to the next question. So if I meant to skip question 2 but answered question 3 on question 2 line, it is hard for young students to recognize the mistake.

This is a scenario for me even now in college. In middle school I had to erase one entire side of my scan-tron because I did not skip the answer line for the question although that was my intention, which was about 40 questions out of 100. If I did this today in school, my class could possibly be reviewed for cheating because I recognized my mistake and corrected 40 percent of my test.

I’m not saying that there is not cheating in schools, but before everyone just outright assume there is cheating for everyone, please take into account that students can correct there mistakes if they recognize them while taking the exam.

If you really want to stop cheating, during the testing periods, assign teachers different schools to monitor. So if I were a teacher at King, during the week of testing I would be assigned another local school like Parks to monitor for the week. Have all testing in the gym, with no faculty or staff of the home school allowed in the gym during testing time. People might be willing to cheat for their own, but they are less likely to cheat to make another school look good.

Adam

February 11th, 2010
12:17 pm

MyOpinion,

It’s not hard to tease out legitimate erasures from widespread cheating.

People are notoriously poor at forging random results. When crooks embezzle money, they are unable to randomize the last digits of monetary values.

Trust me, rooting out these cheats is not going to be difficult. What’s going to be difficult is convincing an innumerate community of the findings.

Oldspartan

February 11th, 2010
12:18 pm

LOL, “It’s all part of the plan”– to embrass public schools; NCLB (biggest joke ever on public schools) was designed to destroy public schools by 2014. Is there any way to have 100% anything? Well except in nuclear power, but thats another arguement. Everything being brought to bare is about vouchers. All this about high stakes testing is just another way to misdirect. How in the world did America survive for over 200 years without these test? All of our forefathers could not have been educated or men of renown because there was not an ITBS, CRCT, PSAT.

catlady

February 11th, 2010
12:29 pm

To follow up on Mac: and there is NO special protection for the reporting teacher.

On the cheating: the next question is: at what level did the cheating take place? Was it in the individual classroom (teacher points to the answer, teachers’ voice indicates the answer (on part that is read to the students), or after the books are collected but before they are sent off to be graded. Most likely you’d think it was after the tests were completed, but before being sent off, as most of the test for most of the grades–certainly 3rd and 5th–are not read TO the students, and if a teacher was pointing to the correct answer it would be hard to go around and point to enough corrections during a testing session while still proctoring the test.

My vote would be during the “clean up” time, when staff checks for stray marks on the answer sheets. This could still have been done by individual teachers, perhaps, but more likely has involvement by testing administrators higher up than the teacher level.

Is Sonny smiling in this picture because he recognizes how foolish it is to base pay on something as poor and out of control as the CRCT is?

Echo

February 11th, 2010
2:05 pm

Now What, at 10:31, 2-10-10, YOU JUST HIT THE NAIL SQUARE ON THE HEAD!!! Hell seeth no fury like a principal who has it in for a teacher. I won’t go over it again because Now What said it well. Principals DESTROY teachers who make waves about wrong doings in their schools. Some of you know how shamefully certain teachers are targeted by a principal, but you are too afraid for your own job to intercede on behalf of the targeted teacher.

Get a sampling of some of these cases. It would shock and appall you.

Echo

February 11th, 2010
2:36 pm

I only WISH an AJC Reporter would contact me about what happened to a Cobb teacher. She sent this info to AJC but with no response. No one would help this lady and she was severely abused by a Cobb principal, one reason was because she balked about changing grades of PTA member’s children as the principal DEMANDED of her teachers.

For a solid year, the principal gave this sought after teacher living hell, then forced a non-renewal option to being terminated. I only WISH her story could be told. This same teacher was one of the principal’s star teachers until she turned on her. The teacher didn’t drop dead under the pressure of the trip through hell, but honestly, I don’t know why she didn’t. It was terrible. Absolute power should never rest in the hands of only one person.

DeKalb Parent

February 11th, 2010
2:56 pm

I never considered copying homework to be cheating. In fact, in one of my advanced math courses in college, four of us – among the best students in the class – regularly assembled in the canteen and worked any problems any of us had with the homework together, then copied the results onto our papers. Our homework counted toward very little of our grade, but our working together prepared all of us for testng better than we would have been prepared otherwise. Explaining to someone else how to work the problem clarified it in the explainers mind and being able to quiz the explainer until we understood what s/he was saying helped the learner understand the material better. I have copied homework and learned as I copied.

What bothers me most about this are the students who are being shortchanged by not repeating a class or getting the instruction they need. In grad school, I skipped a course and went to the advanced course with permission of the instructor. It was like they were speaking different language and I had to go back and study the material for the skipped class before the current class was anything other than goobledey gook.

Sub

February 11th, 2010
3:09 pm

Why not report it to the State?

Is that supposed to help the whistleblower keep a job in the APS, or anywhere in GA for that matter? Are you naive?

Sub

February 11th, 2010
3:17 pm

Happy Teacher writes: Teachers in the nicer schools will actually have the harder time Sub, because the formula used will be a value-added system that rewards improvement over the course of a year. No passsing rates…that’s the (too) common misconception.

My argument remains the same. Teachers at “nicer” schools will get raises because parents are what make “nicer” schools. Parents who are involved make sure their children study. They also monitor teachers more closely. Finally, ethnic background makes a huge difference. In no time at all, Johns Creek will be one of the top academic schools in the State. Bank on it.

Maureen Downey

February 11th, 2010
3:21 pm

Sub, Just sat in a hourlong interview with Dr. Hall where several of us asked her about whether teachers could have reported cheating without fear or reprisals. She cites a hotline that teachers could have called. Is that the case?
Maureen

Mac

February 11th, 2010
3:48 pm

“Hell seeth no fury like a principal who has it in for a teacher.”

I’ll go one better – no fury like a Superintendent who has it in for a principal! Got that t-shirt.

Elsie

February 11th, 2010
4:11 pm

Maureen,
I looked up Glynn County (Burroughs-Mollette Elementary) on the results page. This school was marked “Clear- 0.0%”. How can this be true, since BMES was one of the schools in the first investigation? What am I missing?

Maureen Downey

February 11th, 2010
4:16 pm

Elsie,
Because these results are based on 2009 tests, and the initial investigation was based on 2008. From our story on this:

The Georgia Professional Standards Commission, a separate state agency that polices state teaching credentials, banned seven Atlanta and Fulton County educators Thursday from state public schools for as much as a year, in the last of the cases brought by the state against people it believes changed students’ answers in 2008 to falsely increase test scores.

Uncovered by The Atlanta Journal-Constitution a year ago, the testing scandal heated up this summer after Mathers’ office released an audit naming four schools that turned in questionable results for tests taken in the summer of 2008.

Those results were from fifth-grade math retests on the state’s Criterion-Referenced Competency Tests, taken by students from DeKalb County’s Atherton Elementary, Fulton County’s Parklane Elementary, Glynn County’s Burroughs-Molette Elementary and the city of Atlanta’s Deerwood Academy.

The audit found evidence of an abnormal number of erasures at those schools on those retests, in which the wrong answer often was replaced by the right one. The state investigation came after an analysis last December by the AJC showed improbable gains at some schools on tests taken first in spring and then in summer.

Since September, the commission also banned four Glynn educators and a former DeKalb assistant principal for a year as punishment in the scandal.

It suspended former DeKalb principal James Berry for two years and indicated he received a harsher sanction because he confessed. Sanctions can range from a reprimand to loss of license.

Those punishments were among the toughest officials had seen by the commission, which typically sanctions about 50 educators a year for cheating — less than half of 1 percent of educators statewide.

RickinATL

February 11th, 2010
4:40 pm

This is not only a career-ender for Bev Hall, but a legacy-killer. She must be heartbroken to be faced with the fact that she didn’t build anything at APS but a culture where fearful teachers cheated to protect their own skins. By ONCE AGAIN playing the “if only we could be sure” card in the face of enormous evidence, Hall once again reveals she truly only has one interest at heart: self-preservation. It won’t be enough.

Public Schools = Child Abuse

February 11th, 2010
4:48 pm

It’s simple, no child left behind equates to no dollar left behind. School administrators know, that the right amount of progress on these test grades mean more money for their school or district. What is best for the student never comes to mind it’s all about how they can work the system to get the most money back.

Public schools have fallen into such a sad state in the past decade or so, and it seems to coincide with more federal government influence on school.

Maude

February 11th, 2010
5:17 pm

Cheating on test in APS is old history! The APS schools not on this list just cheated another way. They probaly just told the kids the correct answers to start with. I guess the other schools didn’t get the memo.

Elsie

February 11th, 2010
5:47 pm

Maureen-
Thank you for the clarification! I knew there had to be something I was missing :) .
Thanks!

Willis for State Superintendent

February 11th, 2010
5:48 pm

Ben, I guess I am now a politician, and I completely agree that neither all children are bound for college nor do many want to go.
Why is the legislature going to pass a Bill that has NO PLAN?
Why are we continually failing students at the school level with no accountability for the DOE?
Why are teachers scared to report principals and area superintendents?
Because there is only accountability for teachers. There is no accountability for assistant principals, principals, areas supts, and up the ladder.
Perdue talks about making schools a business, but the only people who are held accountable are the teachers.
We need a partnership with schools, administrators, teachers, parents, students, and the communities. We HAVE to have this in order for our children to succeed.
http://willisforstatesuper.webs.com

StudiesWithTheirChild

February 11th, 2010
5:56 pm

You know your kid is learning because you spend time with them doing homework…..

Willis for State Superintendent

February 11th, 2010
6:02 pm

Sorry…I should have said that not all students want to go to university.

sad APS Dad

February 11th, 2010
7:21 pm

As the parent of two APS students, it doesn’t take a statistical study to know APS has problems with cheating on the CRCT. Half of the school year is spent on preparing for the test and yet only 70% of the students meet expectations, evidently, WITH THE ASSISTANCE OF CHEATING. All you need to know about the status of APS you learn when it is time to send your kid to middle school. As there are only two academically acceptable middle schools in the APS system, and we all know which schools I’m referencing, I face almost impossible odds trying to get my kids a decent education. Adding insult to injury, our neighborhood middle school EXPELS low-performing students prior to the CRCT exam so the school will meet the minimum goal. That keeps the school in good standing and prevents parents from having the freedom to transfer their kids to the better schools. So, you ask the questions that every concerned parent with a rising 6th grader asks: why are these two schools the ONLY high performing middle schools in APS? What are they doing at these two schools that isn’t being done in the other APS middle schools? Why has it been this way for DECADES and APS hasn’t figured out a way to change this? Why doesn’t anyone think the lack of quality middle schools throughout the APS system is a major problem?

So, what should a concerned parent do? Move and take the loss on the house? Lie and cheat to get my kids into a better school system? Spend thousands of dollars on private middle school? Or take my chance in a lottery for a general transfer for my kid? I don’t know about you, but I’m working on private school apps this weekend…

Brain

February 11th, 2010
8:26 pm

I’m not sure who’s to credit for breaking this story, but I’m glad it’s receiving some press. The big crime is that it’s not receiving more press – locally and nationally.

APS has been a piggybank for corrupt administrators and their cronies for 30+ years. The losers are the citizens of GA and, in particular, the students who attend APS schools. Not much will change, however, until the citizens of the City of Atlanta demand more of their schools and their administrators. All I see and read is apathy from said parents and citizens.

Terry Davis

February 11th, 2010
8:27 pm

I work for APS and I think it will be interesting to see how this all plays out. I think the bigger issues what happened to those Teachers who reported cheating and how were they treated. I think the OIR department has some explaining to do as well. I just think they will find a pattern of covering up.

Terry Davis

February 11th, 2010
8:32 pm

@sad APS Dad I have two kids in APS too. I can tell you what they are doing. Their principals are refusing to take certain kids!! They dump the low kids in the other schools. I use to work another middle school and we got kids all of the time, that were not in our district zone, but that were kicked out of those schools. They are sabotaging some schools and the others they say nothing when they transfer them out, or refuse to take them.

Since when does a principal have an option to not accept a student. Well at those schools they can and do. So it might not be every time, but it does happen more often than not. Trust me on that.

Dewitt

February 11th, 2010
8:43 pm

I totally agree with all of Shar’s statements;I am a former administrator of APS.

cheating hurts us all!

February 11th, 2010
8:43 pm

It really stinks to know that the fact that I’ve taught with integrity, come early, stayed late, tutored in my free time (without pay), begged parents to take more interest, and spent my own money to help kids have basic materials and clothes has resulted in being accused of cheating, lying and abusing children.

I became a teacher because I believed that children in public schools deserve the same great education many children get in private school. I became a teacher to stop talking about how messed up our public schools are and actually do something about it. I hate the bureaucracy and the lack of parental involvement, but I love the children. I have worked hard for years to teach them NOT to cheat because it hurts everyone! I hate to think that all the time, money, energy, and stress I’ve spent trying to be a better teacher has been for nothing. People don’t respect the work I’m doing, and they believe we are only in this for money or to “save our skins”.

Not every teacher is cheating or so concerned with appearances that they will do anything to “raise the scores”. I told my principal when I interviewed for my current position that I don’t teach just for a test. I teach so my students will be ready for the world they inhabit. I still believe that. If the only thing we want to do is make sure they pass the test, what do we need school for? Why are we even arguing about any of this? There wouldn’t be a need for any of the hoops I’m constantly having to jump through to remain certified if the only purpose I’m serving is to tell kids the right circle to fill in.

I’m sure there are cheaters in APS. I haven’t seen any, and I don’t have first hand knowledge, but I’m not stupid. I’ve gotten children in my classroom over the years who have passing test scores and can’t read “see Spot run”. I have to take the children as they come to me, but I’m not going to cheat them by saying they are rocket scientists when they aren’t. I’ve been criticized for grading “too harshly” by parents who aren’t willing to read to or with their kids, but will do homework for them (which in my opinion is cheating…).

I want the cheating to stop. I want the hard work our students and good teachers are doing to mean something. I only hope this mess will lead more people to take an increased interest in their children’s educations, and to be more involved all year long (not to only be concerned when test scores are released).

Now What?

February 11th, 2010
9:52 pm

Maureen, if you want to keep your job, you CANNOT tell. Period. The hotlines are not given to teachers. So, the only way to find them would be to know someone with that info or to “happen upon it”. Even then, they want your name. NOTHING is anonymous with APS. They’re like the mob. They have connections everywhere -at the paper, DOE, etc… And, if they do something to “get you” for telling, there’s really nothing you can do about it but quit. There’s no one to tell who would really do something about it. So, teachers remain quiet and deal with it.

Ole Guy

February 11th, 2010
10:50 pm

How does one earn…I say EARN…the title “Super of the Year”, when there appears to be a tremendous amount of turmoil within that over which the super reins? Incredible how the ed system has become so watered down, from the very top on down.

Private School Parent

February 11th, 2010
10:52 pm

Well looks like we will have our burger flippers and ditch diggers for another generation from APS.

Maureen, I politely disagree

February 11th, 2010
10:53 pm

Maureen, I have, first hand, listed on this blog schools, principals and issued in a very specific manner over the past 1-2 years in regard to mishandling of teachers, ethics and school district mishandling yet it has fallen on deaf ears. Even your predecessor did not ever so much as look into issues. I have written letters directly to Cathy Cox and NUMEROUS journalistic agencies to no avail. Teachers need a voice. Journalists have the platform to at least “inquire” about issues, especially ones that reoccur.
What you are hearing from educators is more of the norm than you are giving credit. Teacher abuse is widespread and deep. Just today on the news teachers, in reference to this CRCT scandal, admitted to being afraid to talk about the problem. That itself should be an indication of a problem. Retaliation is REAL in public education.

Private School Parent

February 11th, 2010
10:53 pm

Cry me a river about these bloggers complaining about the “pressure” of having standardized tests. Get a clue…..you compete everyday with your fellow citizen for the limited resources and your own unlimited wants. When you enter the private workforce you will understand a little bit more about pressure.

The Man

February 11th, 2010
11:00 pm

Well it looks like I don’t have to keep you folks down all by myself……….you are doing quite a good job of keeping yourselves down.

former APS employee

February 12th, 2010
2:08 am

I have seen first hand how coming against the Atlanta Public School System has lead to the demise of many rightful employees because fighting against the people and money resources of APS is like fighting Goliath. Due to fear of retaliation, there have been many anonymous complaints issued against APS for unethical conduct, I having sent many myself to the AJC, State of Georgia, Attorney General, GE, The Bill Gates foundation and anyone who would listen. Nothing happened and I quickly found out that APS has connections that run deep throughout everywhere. I have never heard of a number to report testing violations but what I do know is that nothing is anonymous in Atlanta – nothing.

APS Teacher/Middle School

February 12th, 2010
2:36 am

It is unfortunate that teachers are held accountable for everything…that’s why the cheating! Parents send their children to school and think nothing else of it. Teachers are left with disciplining the kids and educating them as well. Why such emphasis on this test? Teachers can teach but they cannot put the desire to do well in the students…this leads to cheating. I am not a cheater…I teach and yes…I pray for my students…that’s all I can do? PARENTS, I call you to step up and do your job. We need to hear from you before you kids fail our classes. We need you to email, volunteer, and check up on your kids year ’round. We cannot do it alone.

APS employee

February 12th, 2010
3:47 am

You have to be strong. It takes guts to be a whistle blower. I did it. And, I know they are coming for me. Wrong is wrong. We are graduating a generation of children that we as educators have cheated. We have to challenge our students and do the right thing. They are already trying to get students to report me to OIR for demanding that they do the work required on time. Watch it. Do not tell grown kids to be quiet and read a passage silently. You have hurt someone’s feelings. It was worth it. I can hold my head high. And my name is visible but there were 10 teachers behind me APS. I am taking one for the team. Keep digging AJC. There are still some honest teachers in APS. I am one. Cheating is rampant. Coaching is rampant. Teaching to the test is rampant. God save our children and teachers from this mess in APS.

Furious

February 12th, 2010
8:24 am

Where is the outrage from the APS leadership? Where is the concern for the kids? Testing has its flaws but in Georgia we one of the lowest ranking states in the country in school test scores. So is our answer.. cheating… Is our answer.. look the other way.. these students are our future leaders that will be hurt by the actions of the APS leadership today….

The leadership must be fired.. cheating must stop.. and real educational progress must be pursued..

Chuck

February 12th, 2010
8:54 am

Theft by deception to obtain Federal monies, I believe, should involve the Federal Government.
Attorney General Eric Holder should be notified officially of these findings and, since we are talking Federal Monies, perhaps even the President should way in on this.
This is way more important than Skippy Gates. If theses allogations are correct, are we not talking conspiracy against the Federal Government, State Government, County Government, City Governments, etc. Are these wrongs violating these students civil rights? My my what a tangled web we weave, when we learn how to decieve.

Brad

February 12th, 2010
9:01 am

I am a City of Atlanta resident, and have a 16 year old son. When we decided years ago to not give our son to APS, we took a lot a grief from other parents in the neighborhood who seemed to think we were either fascist, racist, or elitist. Payback is hell.

Brain

February 12th, 2010
9:08 am

Furious, the “leadership” of which you speak IS the problem. There is a ton of parental apathy within APS. The schools that “perform” , not coincidentally, have very active parental participation in those schools.

Until the apathetic masses within the City of Atlanta demand real accountability and change , not much will change. APS will continue to be an ATM machine for the board and their cronies.

New APS

February 12th, 2010
9:35 am

Let me tell you what happens when you report.If you are Black you are treated like your concerns are not important, and all year long your are harassed by the principal.I know some teachers who were the best in the school system never cheated had a great track record. Reported a concern and now they are gone.If your are White in the school system they listen and try to fix the problem.
This is so much more that about the CRCT.You really need to did a little deeper into what the real issues are.Black principals, White principals. You would not believe the difference of how they are treated.What there schools get ,how they are given a slap on the wrist. White principals and teacher told just don’t do that again. Black principals and teachers written up but on a PDP.This is what happen daily in APS.

Echo

February 12th, 2010
10:57 am

Before leaving this thread, I must reference the apparent ignorance of those that refer to distant learning…online study…as bought degrees. I am a retired teacher and did not have this access when I was studying; however, I am progressive enough in my thinking and awareness of viable options to know that this option is a great benefit to those who need this kind of occommodation.

I know people who have pursued the online availability to EARN a degree, and I know for a fact that they work extremely hard, often harder than on sight learners. There are, I am sure, some outlets that are less stellar than others, but I also know that it is not a sneeze to study online. It takes sheer discipline and hard work to earn a degree online.

Those who blanketly discredit this form of study must be caught up in the dark ages prior to todays technology. May I suggest that before you ignorantly spout off like this that you enroll in one of these programs, start to finish, and then come back and talk about it. Too often people don’t realize when they are sounding ignorant. Most universities today offer some form of online programs, those that do and those that do not have onsight availability.

Check your facts, walk the walk, and then come back and make intelligent statements and observations.

I had to get that out.

APS Teacher

February 12th, 2010
10:58 am

New APS- you’ve got it backwards. Black teachers are promoted to administrative positions regardless of how incompetent they might be. (Notice how there are virtually no white admins in APS?)At my school, the administration socializes outside school with black teachers, allows them to skip out on meetings, does nothing when they fail to turn in lesson plans, etc. White teachers are harassed constantly and penalized for the smallest transgression. Race IS a huge factor in APS. But you’ve got it backwards- being black is an asset. Being white means you’re going nowhere fast.

Echo

February 12th, 2010
10:59 am

accommodation

30+yearsteacher

February 12th, 2010
11:56 am

In the language of “Northview Teacher” we see “all the sudden” and other substandard English usage, as well as an attitude of wanting racial affirmative action or special license. Perhaps that person (”teacher”) is revealing why some of the students cannot pass the tests on their own. I have observed teachers who cry out “racism” when we supervisors tried to remediate their language usage from “it be’s” to “it is,” and refused to improve their own skills to be able to provide a good experience for students. Kids caught in classrooms with poorly educated teachers will merely perpetuate the ignorance. It is happening all over as our system is forced by quotas and racial mandates to hire and keep substandard and unqualified people as teachers. In addition, the nepotism among the inept is worse than in more educated schools because the inept want to surround themselves with other inept personnel who will not complain!
This is a case of the emperor’s new clothes! The smart, ethical folks must get in there and do serious house-cleaning and get rid of the incompetent, the ones who cannot smile at or motivate a child, and the ones who are hanging on by their “connections”!! Believe me, this situation exists rampantly!! It is not one rotten apple, but rather whole piles of them!

Happily retired!

February 12th, 2010
12:54 pm

The “crisis” exists because we put unreasonable emphasis on a small number of standardized tests.

Change our Focus

February 12th, 2010
4:59 pm

States around our nation adopt achievement standards and tests precisely so that teachers will focus more on the knowledge and skills that the tests measure. Whether this is a problem depends partly on how effective the tests are, how well the tests are administered and monitored in the administration process, and partly on how well the students were being taught before.
Not all standardized tests are unsatisfactory. Some, such as those requiring long and short answers, performance tasks and writing samples provide more authentic assessments than do those with multiple-choice answers. Tests that measure complex concepts and extended reasoning encourage stimulating instruction. Many states require performance based tests which are more costly to administer and more time intensive in scoring. One of the problems with the CRCT is that it is multiple-choice and does not provide an accurate measure of the students’ knowledge and skills as would be demonstrated in performance tasks.
How many students have we all observed simply bubble in an answer, complete the test quickly and quietly lie their head down? How many times have we observed these same students getting lucky and receiving a high score? On the other hand, how many students have we observed getting their bubbles confused and not scoring well on the test despite their knowledge of the subject matter? Sadly, it appears that our state of Georgia also has administrative problems with the bubble in, erase the bubble, replace the bubble. This would not be easily accomplished with performance based assessments.
The way in which the results are reported and used also makes a critical difference. Georgia places emphasis on the Pass/Fail of the state test. Many states report learning gains in addition to the test scores for each student annually. Graphs of the gains are reviewed in the beginning of the school year and the data is disaggregated. Parents are given copies of the graphs and the explanation of the tests are part of the information to the parents. Schools and teachers are accountable for student gains. This allows all students to be given the opportunity to progress versus “pass or fail” a test. If Georgia had a system to report learning gains, there would be greater opportunities for teachers to “teach” versus “teach a test.” Test irregularities are also more easily detected.
High-stakes testing presumes that you can bring the bottom up, but it’s ludicrous if you don’t provide resources and support. Our schools need lower class sizes and increased instructional time, especially for high needs students. But quality costs money. We all know about the state of affairs with our educational budgets around our state…..
Nevertheless, as research indicates, high stakes testing has narrowed the achievement gap. The key in effective testing is the type of test, how the test is administered, and the resources that are in place to teach all students effectively. In addition, teachers should be given the freedom to teach students based on their needs versus teaching students to memorize the specific standards for a test.
Accountability for educational outcomes should be a shared responsibility of states, school districts, public officials, educators, parents, and students.

Now What?

February 12th, 2010
7:48 pm

30+years, you have a point. There is absolutely no excuse for people who have not yet mastered the English language to be teaching it. I’ve come across many administrators whose speaking skills were at about a 3rd grade level as well. However, they do not represent the majority. The truth is that most teachers are VERY well educated. The issue here is cheating. And, it is done by both the competent and incompetent- teachers AND administrators. So, while you are blaming teacher incompetence, don’t forget about the administrators. Somebody hired these “incompetent” teachers, right? And, somebody is allowing them to keep their jobs. It starts at the TOP!

another aps teacher

February 12th, 2010
9:13 pm

@majii-testing security in APS follows the same procedures. Tests are due back in the office no later than 15-20 minutes after testing for the day is over. Teachers don’t have time to change scores. Teachers don’t have opportunities to change scores. And in middle school, teachers test their homeroom classes all week so teachers are administering tests in subjects that the teachers do not teach. In those severe middle schools you can bet it is not the classroom teacher who is changing answers.

As I’ve said before and in other places, many of our students come to us unable to read, write, spell, add, subtract, multiply, or divide. Some of those had very high GCRCT scores, some had never passed a test in their entire school careers, and some only pass the crucial tests during the crucial years. You can connect the dots.

Everyone should be clear that teaching faculties do not qualify for a bonus because the school makes AYP. the teaching faculty qualifies for a bonus if the school makes APS targets, which are differentiated and adjust upward each year. A school with a low income, minority population will have lower targets than a school near Chastain Park, or in Buckhead, or Midtown. That is an attempt to even out the score for everyone, but it doesn’t work well when school A has 55% of students passing the test (or ‘passing’ the test) and meets their targets and school B has 92% of their population pass the test, but their target was 98% and so school B is not as good as school A because school B did not make targets.

It is true, we do try every freaking reform model that comes down the pike. We make graphs and charts of the results of bi-weekly tests and post them for all to see. We are supposed to make certain that learning is fun and exciting. We are supposed to give the students hands-on learning experiences! When is the last time you did hands-on Language Arts? We have to jump through hoops to reflect a child’s failing grade. Several years ago we were told that we could not give students zeros for not doing their homework. The year after that APS eliminated the D. Students can get A’s, B’s, C’s, or F’s. Did I tell you how hard it is to give an F?

We have had five principals in six years at my school. We have had eight assistant principals. Without strong and consistent leadership how can we serve our extremely needy population? These are just some of the problems we face, and we are not alone. There is no way I could ever condone cheating on any test. The students suffer when the truth isn’t known. Ugly situations cannot be changed when ugly truths are glossed over, hidden or changed so the truth can’t be known.

APS Teacher/Middle School

February 13th, 2010
12:37 am

Agree with “Another APS Teacher” Testing is monitored heavily from the time the teachers receive the testing material, during testing, and upon returning the materials. Outsiders are highly visible throughout the building. My school was not cited, but I am certain all APS schools handle testing the same way.

APS employee too

February 13th, 2010
9:01 am

Many APS teachers are very well educated. Some of us have 3+ degrees that we earned the old fashioned way. The problem with APS is an incompetent administration that is hell bent on blaming the classroom teacher for everything wrong in the school. They need to stop hiring their frat sisters & brothers from around the country. Next stop taking private funds to run a public school system. If only the Board would rid itself of all that mess and let teachers teach their classes. There is a culture of distrust now in the schools. Two incompetent women from some hick place in NC and AL (no disrespect to those states) are trying to pit students against teachers. You’d better pass those students or we will get them to take you to OIR. Stop the nonsense APS. It is not the teachers. High School teachers inherited the mess you created in the elementary and middle schools. When did APS get so bad? When? Let us teach our students. If we are not smiling it is because you want robots who do the same thing at the same time in each classroom. Bill Gates we are not machines and our children are not guinea pigs. We are human; I think therefore I am. One size does not fit all. Most of us came into this profession because we wanted to help our kids. They are not learning anymore. These administrators do not care about our students. If they did, they would boot all that private influence out the door and make a real partnership. That partnership should be between the teachers, parents( by force if necessary), the community, administrators, and the taxpayers. We the people need to take back our schools from the testmongers and mindless computer screen game playing money grabbers. If not, the next generation will be undereducated and lost.
I asked my high school students if they had heard of “Things Fall Apart”, Silas Marner, “The Secret Garden”, “Up From Slavery,” “Oliver Twist”…the answer was no. They don’t read anymore because curriculums across the state and nation don’t require them too. So when I go home I cry. Don’t blame us teachers… We are all failing our children and a culture of distrust will not improve the quality of our public education. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that blaming teachers is convenient for everyone. Shut up and walk a mile in my shoes. Come teach my class for just 2 weeks. Then and only then administrators from out of town can you say anything to me. Do not come in with your stupid laptops and 5 other cronies every other day to observe. Get down into the trenches. You know you left the classroom because you couldn’t take the heat.

J. Gary

February 13th, 2010
10:36 am

As a former APS student myself, did not like attending APS schools myself. The teachers were ok in some of the classes that i took and other teachers really didn,t give a damn. They were there for the pay check. As a loving parent to my daughter I am glad that she is attending Fulton County Schools WHERE STUDENTS COMES FIRST. I will continue to work hard to keep my child in fulton county schools. It’s not right to cheat for the children cause at the end of the day the children are the ones who suffer in the long run.

sigh

February 13th, 2010
5:30 pm

The confidential tip line from the APS website:
I’m not sure how folks keep saying they are scared to be whistle blowers.

http://aps.schoolwires.net/186110121511421663/blank/browse.asp?a=383&BMDRN=2000&BCOB=0&c=55253&1861Nav=|&NodeID=67

Another aps Teacher, you’re exactly right, and thanks for pointing out the testing protocol. Classroom teachers could not possibly erase and correct tests in the time they have access to the materials (not to mention the different tests within a class).

I’ve been at several schools in APS during testing and have never seen any inappropriate testing environments or handling of testing materials, but I have seen questionable gains in scores by low-performing students. On the other hand, I have participated in “testing strategy” sessions in which students are taught how to choose the best answer through process of elimination, educated guessing, and one strategy includes marking a “guess” and marking the question with a star and coming back to re-think the answer. I wonder if any of that had an impact on the erasure numbers? Can erasures really indicate cheating so clearly?

There’s no question that it’s suspicious, but are the administrators at fault, like the Atherton folks, or someone higher up in the APS food chain? Knowing some of the administrators that are at flagged schools I’d be shocked if they were involved in cheating; however, some other administrators wouldn’t surprise me at all. Do I think Beverly Hall is involved and condones cheating? No. I think folks are scrambling to meet her standards and targets, and they are scrambling to show gains (even if they have not earned them) so that they don’t get on a PDP or lose funding for their schools.

We have a lot of exceptional administrators, to be sure, but there are some genuinely awful ones also. Someone on one of these blogs mentioned open.georgia.gov a site where you can look up any public school (or government) employee to find out how much money they earn. The second-highest paid APS employee was “Assistant Principal, Gerald Nelson” who earned $301,444 in 2009. What?? I looked him up, and learned that he was a principal that APS tried to get rid of, but he sued and was eventually re-instated as an administrator. I couldn’t find out where he is now, but I was wondering if that was his payoff for getting out of APS? I’ve been at schools that the principal has killed the school atmosphere, and it is disheartening how hard it is to get rid of bad seeds–plus, it’s very expensive.

I’m not naive, I’m sure cheating does happen, in APS and just about everywhere to some degree, but the sad result is that the already-maligned, stressed out, scrutinized, and belittled teachers of our state are bearing the brunt of all of these investigations. Is the outcome of the CRCT investigation going to be removal of bad teachers? bad administrators? bad policies? Probably not. But you can bet there will be more hoops for the good teachers to jump through and prove that they are people of integrity who care about children.

APS Teacher/Middle School

February 13th, 2010
6:36 pm

To J.GARY. You are promoting Fulton County Schools and lowering APS. APS students are as good as the parents! My three kids attend Fulton County Schools because I live there. They spent some time in Atlanta schools. They were successful in APS and now Fulton County because of my parenting style. You either complete your assignments or you don’t hang out…If they receive a grade lower than B, I attack my kids…not the teacher. In APS, the parents are absent until they see the final grade. And then they want to call downtown…After that downtown puts pressure on the teacher…And then the teacher must pass. The kid is smiling the entire time and the parents are enabling them. In terms of Fulton County Schools…North Futlon Schools get all the accolades…South Fulton Schools are just like APS. STRUGGLING. If the schools in APS cheated, they were trying to compensate for the lack of parenting in the the APS inner city school! PARENTS…It’s your job to follow, motivate, and insure that your kids are learning from start to finish!

Equitable Accountability

February 13th, 2010
6:58 pm

@sad APS dad: Terry Davis is right. I work at an APS middle school and I know for a fact that the two “academically acceptable” middle schools in APS (as you put it) do not accept students who they feel will not be assets to their school or perform well on standardized tests. Subsequently, these students are forced to attend the other middle schools (which, I guess, are sub-par in your eyes). These students have academic, social, and emotional deficits, all of which impact student achievement. ALSO, these two schools have a tremendous amount of parental support and their students have high work ethics. Parents, on average, of the students I serve rarely attend PTA meetings or parent conferences–unless they are retrieving a confiscated electronic device–do not supply their children with essential school supplies, feed them breakfast, or make sure they are studying or doing homework at home. Furthermore, the middle schools (outside of your top two) constantly deal with high transient rates. This affects student achievement as well. Sometimes I feel as if my school’s main entrance is a revolving door. Kids are constantly enrolling and withdrawing, and we are also forced to accept students with extensive discipline records. And you wonder why these schools are not performing on the same level as the two “top” middle schools? Students of low SES have many problems that teachers alone can not handle. With these students, it truly “takes a village.”

Equitable Accountability

February 13th, 2010
7:12 pm

@Private School Parent: You’re kidding right??? There is no way you can equate a teacher’s performance, especially an APS teacher’s performance, to that of someone working in the private sector. There are so many variables beyond a teacher’s control that affect student achievement. Therefore, teachers absolutely cannot be solely held accountable for student outcomes. As you probably know, most APS students live in high poverty areas. Unfortunately, with high poverty comes social and emotional problems, lack of resources, and low parental support (this is a general statement. There are always exceptions). However, regardless of students’ deficits, teachers are pressured to create significant gains on standardized tests. Students may come to school hungry, not have any school supplies, do no homework at home, but the teacher is solely responsible for student performance. People who work in the private sector are pretty much in control of their job performance. Teachers are not. We don’t go home with students to ensure that learning continues at home. Yet we are held responsible for factors beyond our control. There’s NO comparison between the pressure teachers undergo regarding student achievement and that felt by those in the private sector. Work in a high-poverty school for at least one full school year, and I promise your view will change.

APS Teacher/Middle School

February 13th, 2010
7:40 pm

Agree with Equitable Accountability…back to parents. Some parents believe that dropping their kids off at school is enough. It is not enough.

Equitable Accountability

February 13th, 2010
7:42 pm

@Private School Parent: You’re kidding right??? APS teachers are held accountable for factors beyond their control that persons working in the private sector would never have to deal with. As you probably know, most APS students live in high poverty and many deal with a host of issues (e.g., emotional problems, lack of resources, poor socialization, lack of parental involvement regarding academics, low self-esteem, just to name a few). NOTE: these are generalizations; there are always exceptions. Despite the problems that students’ face and the lack of involvement and commitment from the parents, teachers are solely held responsible for student achievement regardless of the above-mentioned problems that are beyond a teacher’s control. It is my understanding that the job performance of persons working in the private sector is, for the most part, controlled by the workers themselves. The output is based on the input. This law or formula doesn’t apply to public education, especially in low SES schools. Teachers do follow students home to guarantee the continuation of learning outside of school. That is the parent’s responsibility, yet many parents are falling short in this area. There is NO way that the pressure faced by a teacher can be compared to that which is experienced in the private workplace. Go work in a high-poverty school for a least one year and your viewpoint will definitely change.

Equitable Accountability

February 13th, 2010
8:07 pm

@Private School Parent: You’re kidding right??? You can’t be serious. APS teachers are held accountable for factors beyond their control that persons working in the private sector would never have to deal with. As you probably know, most APS students live in high poverty and many deal with a host of issues (e.g., emotional problems, lack of resources, poor socialization, lack of parental involvement regarding academics, low self-esteem, just to name a few). NOTE: these are generalizations; there are always exceptions. Despite the problems that students’ face and the lack of involvement and commitment from the parents, teachers are solely held responsible for student achievement regardless of the above-mentioned problems that are beyond a teacher’s control. It is my understanding that the job performance of persons working in the private sector is, for the most part, controlled by the workers themselves. The output is based on the input. This law or formula doesn’t apply to public education, especially in low SES schools. Teachers do follow students home to guarantee the continuation of learning outside of school. That is the parent’s responsibility, yet many parents are falling short in this area. There is NO way that the pressure faced by a teacher can be compared to that which is experienced in the private workplace. Go work in a high-poverty school for a least one year and your viewpoint will definitely change.

Ex APS teacher/Maureen dont trust Beverly Hall

February 13th, 2010
9:38 pm

Maureen,
It finally feels good to be vindicated 5 years after I reported cheating happening at APS.
Trust me ..this is just the tip of the iceberg.
Cheating is rampant also at the high school level at APS for the GHSGT.
I reported cheating and irregular testing administration to the GAPSC and to Beverly Hall’s Office of Internal Resolution at APS. OIR at APS is more like a gestapo to squish all APS scandals and launch a barrage of retaliatory actions against any APS employee that reports cheating or unethical behaviour.
After I reported mass scale cheating and irregular testing administration at a high school at APS, I was immediately targeted by the Principal, Assistant Principal, APS Central Office, APS HR APS OIR, APS attorneys all with the blessing of Dr. Hall.
Dr. Hall like her associates at APS are enjoying their generous salaries and looking out for their golden parachute. I see Beverly Hall working for a few more years and then retiring with a very fat pension. But until that happens she is going to be ruthless to show that APS has made stellar gains at all cost. APS has a marketing and communication dept all paid with tax payer money to spin and spin. I find it sad that legitimate and noble charities like Melinda and Bill Gates foundation do not see that their money is going down the drain.
Back to my story. After I reported to the GAPSC and APS, I was interviewed by APS OIR on tape. No action was taken against the persons I named in the complaint. I was then abruptly transferred to another school in the middle of the school year just before spring final exams. My contract was non-renewed. APS then reported bogus charges against me to the GAPSC.
I expected the GAPSC to fight for me. Big mistake. The GAPSC is a slow like molasses bureacracy..a good ole boys network. Dragged their feet. I had to hire a lawyer out of pocket to help me.APS settled out of court but never admitted any guilt.
Guess what??The high school at APS where I worked had made AYP consistently until 2004. I complained about cheating in test in 2005. That APS high school has not made APS since 2004 !!!
I complained against 2 people at the high school. A few years later the principal quietly resigned and is now at Fulton. Fulton hired him even though he has disciplinary record on his certificate by the GAPSC. The GAPSC threw out the bogus charges that APS made against me.
One of the AP I complained against dissapeared a few years later. One another person who I complained against took early retirement as soon as the GAPSC found him guilty and slapped his wrist with a “warning” on his certificate.

Now What?

February 14th, 2010
12:25 am

Ex APS teacher, thanks SO much for sharing your experience. Maybe now, people will more clearly understand why so many teachers remain quiet about cheating. If you tell, you will receive the consequence, not the ones who deserve it!

Lisa

February 14th, 2010
5:23 pm

The students only need to get 50% of the questions correct in order to pass the test. I am a teacher, and this is not common knowledge. If a student fails, they should be retained. Students can guess 50% in a multiple choice test. I know first hand that most of the students in Georgia do not know the information they are tested on. They are good guessers.

Will

February 14th, 2010
8:49 pm

It will be interesting to see what the results for APS testing is this year when the exams are actually monitored by outside people. I think Sonny is just giving Beverly enough rope to hang herself. In the cheating schools, test results will drop by almost half. Just look at the results from high schools in terms of dropouts (not the made-up #s by APS) and by the way those scores are also rigged at many of the schools.

APS Teacher/Middle School

February 15th, 2010
10:52 pm

Not all schools cheat…I have never heard or witnessed cheating in my APS Middle School…Thank God!

Former employee of APS/

February 18th, 2010
2:50 am

Everthing in Atlanta Public Schools is based on test scores then its who Kath Augaustine likes or who is connected or have a tradition with some one in Atlanta Public Schools. All of Dr. Halls neices and Nephews are principals . She is running a family buisness. Have anyone notice how many jamaicans from New York are principals. They are all over the system. I know one middle School principal that i heard from an executive director friend of mine that he is her nephew. I approached that principal jokingly and he cursed at me for suggesting that he got his job because he is related to her and then stop communicating with the American Principals. His school is on the list with over 30% eraser marks. Believe me, him and her other relatives will be protected. Kathy Augustine has a thing for certain females and i believe she is afraid of men. Too many darm black women is running Atlanta Public schools. Hire some men Dr. Hall then maybe they will stand up to you. She allow people like her stupid Executive Directors to terrorized principals and teachers. What can they do but cheat. Everyone one is afraid of those women in APS, even the few men in power. Kathy likes week men and if you are not week she will not hire you for any position. She hired a stupid white woman to be director of professional development and never thought to hire a qualified principal for that position. Dr. Betsy Bockman is by far one of the best principals in the system and she wont apply for a job because she is not one of kathy friends and they hate her because Inman dont need to cheat. Robin Hall one of her friends and a executive director school is on the list with over 40% and have the nerve to be conducting investigation of her principals. Who is conducting investigation on her cheating A..

Dr. Hall leaves too much of the system to be run by Kathy. She needs to be more involved in the decision up front and not wait untill they send her applicants to be interviewed. They wont send qualified applicants to her if they want a friend in that position.

We need new people in all positions. I blame left footed kathy Augustine, she is so arrogant and she hates principals because most of them have PHD,s and she has been trying for twenty years and cant complete hers. I left and I am in Clayton now and believe me they threat us much better as humans than atlanta did.

Atlanta not so arrogant no more. good for yall.

Former employee of APS/

February 18th, 2010
2:58 am

The cheating took place at the district office when the school brought the exam to them.

Former employee of APS/

February 18th, 2010
2:59 am

All of Dr. Halls neices and nephews who are principals got help from the district office

Former employee of APS/

February 18th, 2010
3:02 am

All them arrogant New Yorker family members are not so much grater anymore

Former employee of APS/

February 18th, 2010
3:04 am

Anyone notices that the Associate superintendent of high schools cant speak properly. Tyrone Smith should have that job.

concerned educator

February 19th, 2010
12:20 pm

I do not discredit the report data form the state, howver I do find that the other (4 you know who you are)large metro Atlanta school systems didn’t have any school at all sited. Could it be that because Atlanta’s system leadership stood up to the state and sonny’s findings that the spotlight is shinning so bright on APS. I’m just an educator but it really makes you go MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!

The Teacher

February 22nd, 2010
4:32 pm

I think more than just cheating on test there is a cheating going on with regards to who gets what, when and how. I am at a school that has very few Promethean Boards while another school across town has one in almost every classroom. How does that happen when we are in the same District? There are some schools with Thin Clients, 15-20 in a single class when my school has 3-5 computers in each classroom. When our students have to rotate to use the computer versus a class where each kid can use a computer at the same time I am clearly disadvantaged. yet, the Govenor wants to talk about cheating,when money is unequally allocated for supplies and resources. Give me a break!

Concerned Teacher

February 24th, 2010
9:02 pm

Mabel Smith

March 5th, 2010
9:13 pm

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Russ Hill

March 25th, 2010
12:08 pm

03/25/2010-12:00 pm

Dear Mrs. Dawney
As a thrity-year teacher I admired and welcomed the NCLB law. I did not often agree with Mr. Bush on much but I still believe that he did get it right on this one. I would like to refute some of the anti-NCLB statements that I have heard:
1. “We are teaching to the tests!”
Before, we were teaching to no goal nor any way of holding schools responsible for performance.
2.”Testing is not the only way to evaluate teachers.”
I have never heard one of these people say what alternative and objective method they would use to measure student acheivement.
3. “We are testing the children to death!”
I do not even know what in the world that comment is supposed to mean.

Why should we keep NCLB?
1. Kids are reading better and doing math better and all fields appear to be improving.
2. As a teacher, I watched lazy teachers goof off, become popular for thier easy grades and classes and sabotage our classes of tough work using rumors, slander. They also slammed fellow teachers to parents and children! When NCLB began, these lazy people could not stand the idea of working and left in droves. I saw this first-hand.
When you see that many “rats” leaving the ship, something must be going right!
The way that I would reform NCLB would be to allow teachers to decide what methods they will use to reach the goals required.
They would do this at a meeting with admin and deciding what goals the admin people want acheived and then the teacher might state what they need in the way of support. Having agreed on terms, the two parties sign the agreement. The reult is freed up teachers and the best accoutability system that you have ever seen.
We used this method in a company and it was first-rate! You know where you stood.
As part of college curriculum for young student-teachers, I believe that thorough class in parent involvement should be included. Without parent involvement, the shcool’s job is so much more difficult.

Sorry for the long comment,
Russ Hill
Teacher-Retired

Ms.2009

June 30th, 2010
4:04 am

Hubbard Middle in Monroe County …Cheats every year….the math teacher basically point out the answers….I bet if a proctor goes in and test every math student…..That school would not make it…how do I know….Ha ha ha….

Mad

July 20th, 2010
11:00 am

You want some truth here! Lets have some truth! As a teacher, I am not so sure about this cheating thing in APS anyway! Really, who is willing to lose a job for students lacking basic skills for the CRCT! The real problem in education in the state of GA is leadership! We are really into looking good for exams like the CRCT but lack basic teaching and learning skills! This state needs to overhaul the educational system! How do we know what is happening in the classroom is school leaders fail to check in on the teaching and learning process! Leadership this the real issue in education! APS has a problem yes ,cheating no! Find real school leaders and our state will improve1