Comments on: High school: A launching pad or final destination? http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/11/30/high-school-a-launching-pad-or-final-destination/ Your source to discuss and learn about education in Atlanta, Georgia and the nation Fri, 10 Feb 2012 22:14:04 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Carol Turner http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/11/30/high-school-a-launching-pad-or-final-destination/comment-page-1/#comment-29621 Carol Turner Sat, 30 Jan 2010 02:02:02 +0000 http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/?p=3328#comment-29621 I bet Vegas wouldn't touch those odds. Anyways I know just from my kids that just about everyone in school shows up every morning with a hoodie on, some in the summer ( those kids scare me - if you know what I mean ) I bet Vegas wouldn’t touch those odds. Anyways I know just from my kids that just about everyone in school shows up every morning with a hoodie on, some in the summer ( those kids scare me – if you know what I mean )

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]]> By: CharlesTheMuse http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/11/30/high-school-a-launching-pad-or-final-destination/comment-page-1/#comment-20868 CharlesTheMuse Fri, 04 Dec 2009 03:29:39 +0000 http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/?p=3328#comment-20868 I would just like to point out that if you check the actual survey, you'll notice that this study is ridiculous. Most teachers believe that their primary purpose is helping students master the subject you teach. This option is not presented to teachers or students. Talk about doctoring your survey. I would just like to point out that if you check the actual survey, you’ll notice that this study is ridiculous. Most teachers believe that their primary purpose is helping students master the subject you teach. This option is not presented to teachers or students. Talk about doctoring your survey.

]]> By: jim d http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/11/30/high-school-a-launching-pad-or-final-destination/comment-page-1/#comment-20733 jim d Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:47:28 +0000 http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/?p=3328#comment-20733 "A launching pad or final destination?" Different things for different people---Allowing choice would simplify this issue as well. It makes absolutely no sense to push someone towards an end that doesn't fit their need. “A launching pad or final destination?”

Different things for different people—Allowing choice would simplify this issue as well. It makes absolutely no sense to push someone towards an end that doesn’t fit their need.

]]> By: HS Teacher, Too http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/11/30/high-school-a-launching-pad-or-final-destination/comment-page-1/#comment-20659 HS Teacher, Too Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:06:21 +0000 http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/?p=3328#comment-20659 Georgia Teacher, AP Teacher, and Old School -- amen. AP Teacher, I am in the same boat right now with my remedial kids. They have no accountability, no behavior standards, they can't add or subtract or multiply or divide, and I'm supposed to let them work in groups and "differentiate," and get them all to pass the various exams. Why don't the educrats see the gaping chasm of a disconnect between these goals?! I miss teaching AP and would do (almost) anything to get back to it. Sigh. Georgia Teacher, AP Teacher, and Old School — amen.

AP Teacher, I am in the same boat right now with my remedial kids. They have no accountability, no behavior standards, they can’t add or subtract or multiply or divide, and I’m supposed to let them work in groups and “differentiate,” and get them all to pass the various exams. Why don’t the educrats see the gaping chasm of a disconnect between these goals?! I miss teaching AP and would do (almost) anything to get back to it.

Sigh.

]]> By: Old School http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/11/30/high-school-a-launching-pad-or-final-destination/comment-page-1/#comment-20657 Old School Tue, 01 Dec 2009 19:45:18 +0000 http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/?p=3328#comment-20657 Is there any data on kids who took the tests without taking the AP classes? I don't know if that is still a possibility but I do know of students who were very widely read who scored high enough on at least one AP exam to qualify for credit. One was my niece who attended an out of state university on a full scholarship. Is there any data on kids who took the tests without taking the AP classes? I don’t know if that is still a possibility but I do know of students who were very widely read who scored high enough on at least one AP exam to qualify for credit. One was my niece who attended an out of state university on a full scholarship.

]]> By: Maureen Downey http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/11/30/high-school-a-launching-pad-or-final-destination/comment-page-1/#comment-20612 Maureen Downey Tue, 01 Dec 2009 16:09:35 +0000 http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/?p=3328#comment-20612 Flipper, My evidence is not the course performance but the performance on the AP exam. There is a good study out of Texas A&M that the performance on the AP exam is a reliable indicator of proficiency and college performance. The study did not find the same high college performance success for kids who just took the AP classes without taking the exams, so I think it is important to have students take the exam. Maureen Flipper, My evidence is not the course performance but the performance on the AP exam. There is a good study out of Texas A&M that the performance on the AP exam is a reliable indicator of proficiency and college performance. The study did not find the same high college performance success for kids who just took the AP classes without taking the exams, so I think it is important to have students take the exam.
Maureen

]]> By: flipper http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/11/30/high-school-a-launching-pad-or-final-destination/comment-page-1/#comment-20606 flipper Tue, 01 Dec 2009 16:05:32 +0000 http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/?p=3328#comment-20606 Maureen, I know that the test remains the same, it's the class that's being watered down to accommodate the folks at Newsweek. The "College Board contends" that there is no evidence that AP courses are being watered down? That is all it takes to convince you? Really? I have some investment land in south central Florida that I'd like you to take a look at. Re the statement that kids who do well on AP classes have higher grad rates. I'm sure that's true. Kids who do well in actual college classes also have higher grad rates than those who don't... Kids who do well on the SAT have higher college grad rates than those with low scores. Kids who have top grades in high school have higher college grad rates than those with poor high school grades. Kids from affluent households have higher college grad rates than those from low income families. What's your point? I'll agree with you that some AP classes are tougher than some college intro classes. I still think that AP is part of the grand college scam that has been hoisted on middle class Americans. I have very high expectations for my kids and hope that they are even more successful than my husband and I are. However, you can get a top notch college education for a fraction of the cost if you pay attention, see a scam for what it is, and don't follow the glassy eyed lemmings over the cliff. Maureen, I know that the test remains the same, it’s the class that’s being watered down to accommodate the folks at Newsweek. The “College Board contends” that there is no evidence that AP courses are being watered down? That is all it takes to convince you? Really?

I have some investment land in south central Florida that I’d like you to take a look at.

Re the statement that kids who do well on AP classes have higher grad rates. I’m sure that’s true. Kids who do well in actual college classes also have higher grad rates than those who don’t… Kids who do well on the SAT have higher college grad rates than those with low scores. Kids who have top grades in high school have higher college grad rates than those with poor high school grades. Kids from affluent households have higher college grad rates than those from low income families. What’s your point?

I’ll agree with you that some AP classes are tougher than some college intro classes. I still think that AP is part of the grand college scam that has been hoisted on middle class Americans. I have very high expectations for my kids and hope that they are even more successful than my husband and I are. However, you can get a top notch college education for a fraction of the cost if you pay attention, see a scam for what it is, and don’t follow the glassy eyed lemmings over the cliff.

]]> By: Maureen Downey http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/11/30/high-school-a-launching-pad-or-final-destination/comment-page-1/#comment-20596 Maureen Downey Tue, 01 Dec 2009 14:39:02 +0000 http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/?p=3328#comment-20596 Flipper, The College Board contends that there is no evidence that AP courses are being watered down. The tests remain the same so kids still have to meet the standard set by the College Board to pass. As for "real" college classes, some high school kids in joint enrollment will tell you that their AP class in high school was tougher than their intro class at their local college. I don't think we can assume that AP courses are diluted or that joint enrollment courses at an actual college are more rigorous by definition. It remains true that students who do well on high school AP classes have much higher college graduation rates. So, I think there is merit in those classes. Maureen Flipper, The College Board contends that there is no evidence that AP courses are being watered down. The tests remain the same so kids still have to meet the standard set by the College Board to pass.
As for “real” college classes, some high school kids in joint enrollment will tell you that their AP class in high school was tougher than their intro class at their local college.
I don’t think we can assume that AP courses are diluted or that joint enrollment courses at an actual college are more rigorous by definition.
It remains true that students who do well on high school AP classes have much higher college graduation rates. So, I think there is merit in those classes.
Maureen

]]> By: flipper http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/11/30/high-school-a-launching-pad-or-final-destination/comment-page-1/#comment-20594 flipper Tue, 01 Dec 2009 14:04:36 +0000 http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/?p=3328#comment-20594 Oops... on the last sentence there I meant to say that I'm NOT very willing to waste my children's........ Time for one more cup of java I guess. Oops… on the last sentence there I meant to say that I’m NOT very willing to waste my children’s……..

Time for one more cup of java I guess.

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