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		<title>By: nj</title>
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		<dc:creator>nj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 17:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The real truth about &quot;public&quot; education is that the states have, since the 1980s systematically decreased their contributions to state universities.  Nowadays, only about 25 percent of the cost of public education is subsidized by a state that is particularly generous (not Georgia, mind you).  This is one reason why tuition costs at public universities have increased at more than double the rate of inflation.

The other reason is that all universities, public and private, have become far too top heavy, inventing all sorts of administrative posts without any demonstrable need.  The American Association of University Professors recently did a study which shows that while professor&#039;s salaries have remained relatively constant in the last ten years (adjusting for inflation), the salaries for upper administration have nearly doubled (adjusting for inflation).  Further, while the faculty size relative to number of students has remained relatively constant over the same time period, the number of upper administration positions has increased 50%.

You do the math.

And this was all before the recent &quot;crisis&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real truth about &#8220;public&#8221; education is that the states have, since the 1980s systematically decreased their contributions to state universities.  Nowadays, only about 25 percent of the cost of public education is subsidized by a state that is particularly generous (not Georgia, mind you).  This is one reason why tuition costs at public universities have increased at more than double the rate of inflation.</p>
<p>The other reason is that all universities, public and private, have become far too top heavy, inventing all sorts of administrative posts without any demonstrable need.  The American Association of University Professors recently did a study which shows that while professor&#8217;s salaries have remained relatively constant in the last ten years (adjusting for inflation), the salaries for upper administration have nearly doubled (adjusting for inflation).  Further, while the faculty size relative to number of students has remained relatively constant over the same time period, the number of upper administration positions has increased 50%.</p>
<p>You do the math.</p>
<p>And this was all before the recent &#8220;crisis&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Many USG Faculty and Staff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Many USG Faculty and Staff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 18:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We gave tried for over a year to get Georgia taxpayers to &quot;Wake up!&quot;  Governor Perdue, Lt. Gov. Casey Cagle, Chairman Seth Harp and many legislators have been informed and they simply have chosen to look the other way.  Governor Perdue stated that the Board of Regents has &quot;exclusive authority&quot; to do what they want with state and foundation funds - that includes increasing student fees.  It is time to ask them: What are the USG presidents, chancellor and USG administrators sacrificing?  

Only until the General Assembly introduces new legislation to bring back accountability by the BOR to someone (other than themselves), these student fee increases will continue.  

One example of the BOR&#039;s &quot;exclusive authority&quot; is below: 
Here’s how much university presidents have accumulated or collected in deferred pay since 2004, according to records provided by the University System, tax returns and financial statements. The figures reflect payments or set-asides of state money and, where known, of funds from a school’s associated foundation (and NOT appropriately disclosed to public &amp; private donors, faculty and staff).
Link to full story: 
http://www.atlantaunfiltered.com/2009/10/05/university-execs-deferred-pay-often-hidden-tops-7-million/ 
$1,820,697 — Wayne Clough, former Georgia Tech president (includes $500,000 cash, a $38,000 car and a split-dollar life insurance policy valued at $750,000 from the foundation)
$1,666,639 — Carl Patton, retired Georgia State University president 
$1,573,606 — Michael Adams, UGA president (includes $786,106 due from the UGA Foundation as of June 2008)
$600,000 — David Bell, Macon State University president (includes $400,000 due from the Macon State foundation)
$495,990 — Thomas Meredith, former University System chancellor (includes $180,990 from the University System of Georgia Foundation)
$480,000 — Daniel Rahn, Medical College of Georgia president
$262,500 — Erroll B. Davis Jr., University System chancellor
$127,000 — Beheruz Sethna, University of West Georgia president
$90,000 — Dan Papp, Kennesaw State University foundation
$75,000 — Bud Peterson, Georgia Tech president since April 1
$7,191,432 – Total</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We gave tried for over a year to get Georgia taxpayers to &#8220;Wake up!&#8221;  Governor Perdue, Lt. Gov. Casey Cagle, Chairman Seth Harp and many legislators have been informed and they simply have chosen to look the other way.  Governor Perdue stated that the Board of Regents has &#8220;exclusive authority&#8221; to do what they want with state and foundation funds &#8211; that includes increasing student fees.  It is time to ask them: What are the USG presidents, chancellor and USG administrators sacrificing?  </p>
<p>Only until the General Assembly introduces new legislation to bring back accountability by the BOR to someone (other than themselves), these student fee increases will continue.  </p>
<p>One example of the BOR&#8217;s &#8220;exclusive authority&#8221; is below:<br />
Here’s how much university presidents have accumulated or collected in deferred pay since 2004, according to records provided by the University System, tax returns and financial statements. The figures reflect payments or set-asides of state money and, where known, of funds from a school’s associated foundation (and NOT appropriately disclosed to public &amp; private donors, faculty and staff).<br />
Link to full story:<br />
<a href="http://www.atlantaunfiltered.com/2009/10/05/university-execs-deferred-pay-often-hidden-tops-7-million/" rel="nofollow">http://www.atlantaunfiltered.com/2009/10/05/university-execs-deferred-pay-often-hidden-tops-7-million/</a><br />
$1,820,697 — Wayne Clough, former Georgia Tech president (includes $500,000 cash, a $38,000 car and a split-dollar life insurance policy valued at $750,000 from the foundation)<br />
$1,666,639 — Carl Patton, retired Georgia State University president<br />
$1,573,606 — Michael Adams, UGA president (includes $786,106 due from the UGA Foundation as of June 2008)<br />
$600,000 — David Bell, Macon State University president (includes $400,000 due from the Macon State foundation)<br />
$495,990 — Thomas Meredith, former University System chancellor (includes $180,990 from the University System of Georgia Foundation)<br />
$480,000 — Daniel Rahn, Medical College of Georgia president<br />
$262,500 — Erroll B. Davis Jr., University System chancellor<br />
$127,000 — Beheruz Sethna, University of West Georgia president<br />
$90,000 — Dan Papp, Kennesaw State University foundation<br />
$75,000 — Bud Peterson, Georgia Tech president since April 1<br />
$7,191,432 – Total</p>
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		<title>By: Protest Fee Hikes, Layoffs at GSU&#8211;Plan this Sunday &#171; GSU Progressive Student Alliance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Protest Fee Hikes, Layoffs at GSU&#8211;Plan this Sunday &#171; GSU Progressive Student Alliance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 00:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] heard the latest? Our wise administrators, the Georgia Board of Regents, decided we could afford yet another $100 fee hike next semester! Yes, they&#8217;ve done this before&#8211;and unless we do something about it, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] heard the latest? Our wise administrators, the Georgia Board of Regents, decided we could afford yet another $100 fee hike next semester! Yes, they&#8217;ve done this before&#8211;and unless we do something about it, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ugastudent</title>
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		<dc:creator>ugastudent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those parents out there complaining about books costs:

This is how I have delt with the rediculous book prices.  I never purchase from the bookstores.  Contact the professor at least 1 month before classes start.  Ask them what books they will be using.  Also, go to the bookstore.  Find the classes, and write down the ISBN for all required texts so you know you have the correct information.  Next, hit the internet.  Keep a check on places like ebay.  There are other websites like bookfinder.com that will allow you to enter in the ISBN information, as well as other details, and search 100&#039;s of websites for you.  It then organizes it by which website has the cheapest book.  You have to do this several weeks before classes start to be able to choose the cheapest shipping options, and ensure your book arrives before classes start.  Also, one of my best finds has been the international edition books.  These books have a different ISBN, and they will have a soft cover instead of a hard cover.  However, they are usually at least half the price.  They do usually ship from places like India.  The content inside has always been identical.  They are in English, so no fears there.  Usually the shipping is higher (~$20), but the cost of the book has been up to $150 cheaper at times.  I have been known to purchase a book that costs $200 in the bookstore for $50 as an international edition.  You can then resale these online at the end of the semester to make a little money back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those parents out there complaining about books costs:</p>
<p>This is how I have delt with the rediculous book prices.  I never purchase from the bookstores.  Contact the professor at least 1 month before classes start.  Ask them what books they will be using.  Also, go to the bookstore.  Find the classes, and write down the ISBN for all required texts so you know you have the correct information.  Next, hit the internet.  Keep a check on places like ebay.  There are other websites like bookfinder.com that will allow you to enter in the ISBN information, as well as other details, and search 100&#8217;s of websites for you.  It then organizes it by which website has the cheapest book.  You have to do this several weeks before classes start to be able to choose the cheapest shipping options, and ensure your book arrives before classes start.  Also, one of my best finds has been the international edition books.  These books have a different ISBN, and they will have a soft cover instead of a hard cover.  However, they are usually at least half the price.  They do usually ship from places like India.  The content inside has always been identical.  They are in English, so no fears there.  Usually the shipping is higher (~$20), but the cost of the book has been up to $150 cheaper at times.  I have been known to purchase a book that costs $200 in the bookstore for $50 as an international edition.  You can then resale these online at the end of the semester to make a little money back.</p>
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		<title>By: ugastudent</title>
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		<dc:creator>ugastudent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a current UGA student, my bill for next semester is $3865.00.  Of this, only $3035.00 pays for the cost of tuition.  The remaining $830.00 is all going to pay for various fees.  I do not use a majority of the things these fees pays for, but UGA will not let me waive them.  So, ~21.5% of my bill is paying for services/fees that I do not want to, nor will I use.  While $100 may seem trivial to most people, it is not so trivial when it added to the already enormous amount of fees we are paying.  Furthermore, UGA felt the need to increase tuition by ~50% as of this fall semester.  This is yet another reason why another $100 on top of an already 50% tuition increase that is barely 6 months old, as well a deemed &quot;one time fee&quot; of $100 last spring seems to be the straw to break the proverbial camels back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a current UGA student, my bill for next semester is $3865.00.  Of this, only $3035.00 pays for the cost of tuition.  The remaining $830.00 is all going to pay for various fees.  I do not use a majority of the things these fees pays for, but UGA will not let me waive them.  So, ~21.5% of my bill is paying for services/fees that I do not want to, nor will I use.  While $100 may seem trivial to most people, it is not so trivial when it added to the already enormous amount of fees we are paying.  Furthermore, UGA felt the need to increase tuition by ~50% as of this fall semester.  This is yet another reason why another $100 on top of an already 50% tuition increase that is barely 6 months old, as well a deemed &#8220;one time fee&#8221; of $100 last spring seems to be the straw to break the proverbial camels back.</p>
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		<title>By: Enough</title>
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		<dc:creator>Enough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 08:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: oldtimer</title>
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		<dc:creator>oldtimer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Noted today in the paper. North Carolina provides a better education at less cost. We ought to see what they are doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noted today in the paper. North Carolina provides a better education at less cost. We ought to see what they are doing.</p>
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		<title>By: Don't just read the title</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don't just read the title</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 13:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The extra fees paid by the students will only cover 14% of the cuts that the University System has sustained--the additional 86% of the cuts are being managed by furloughs, streamlining services, and other mechanisms being employed by the institutions. The University System is not pushing all of the pain of the budget cuts off on to the students.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The extra fees paid by the students will only cover 14% of the cuts that the University System has sustained&#8211;the additional 86% of the cuts are being managed by furloughs, streamlining services, and other mechanisms being employed by the institutions. The University System is not pushing all of the pain of the budget cuts off on to the students.</p>
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		<title>By: ucla protest &#124; news bytes</title>
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		<dc:creator>ucla protest &#124; news bytes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 23:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Regents turn to college students to cover budget cuts &#124; Get SchooledAs expected, public college students in Georgia will have to dig deeper to meet their bills next semester as the Regents grapple with new budget [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Regents turn to college students to cover budget cuts | Get SchooledAs expected, public college students in Georgia will have to dig deeper to meet their bills next semester as the Regents grapple with new budget [...]</p>
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		<title>By: College Professor</title>
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		<dc:creator>College Professor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:22:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One other note.

Many professors use &quot;course packets,&quot; instead of textbooks.  Those packets, even though they may have been organized by the professors, they do not get a single penny from the sale of those materials.  The bookstores (usually college bookstores) pay the copyright holders the fees to use any copyrighted materials and create the packets.  They add on their profits to determine the price.  However, no part of the price comes back to the professors.  Even if professors wrote some of the materials included in the packets, they usually assign the copyright to the journal publishers, so the fees the bookstores pay to the publishers don&#039;t come back to professors.

So, vast majority of professors aren&#039;t really money-hungry profit seekers, unlike Ms. Palin who has no problem admitting she wants her book to sell.  The number of textbooks sold in a specialized topic in economics is a very small fraction of the number of copies Ms. Palin&#039;s book.  If you write a &quot;popular&quot; books, then selling as many copies as possible should be your major goal.  For those of us who live in an ivory tower, we don&#039;t always think about profit when we write a textbook - that doesn&#039;t mean a few of them are.  A popular textbook in Intro Psych or Calculus probably makes a huge money for the authoring professor.  But, when you write a textbook for an upper division course which may have 1 section with 15 students every other year, he profit you can get from it is rather limited.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One other note.</p>
<p>Many professors use &#8220;course packets,&#8221; instead of textbooks.  Those packets, even though they may have been organized by the professors, they do not get a single penny from the sale of those materials.  The bookstores (usually college bookstores) pay the copyright holders the fees to use any copyrighted materials and create the packets.  They add on their profits to determine the price.  However, no part of the price comes back to the professors.  Even if professors wrote some of the materials included in the packets, they usually assign the copyright to the journal publishers, so the fees the bookstores pay to the publishers don&#8217;t come back to professors.</p>
<p>So, vast majority of professors aren&#8217;t really money-hungry profit seekers, unlike Ms. Palin who has no problem admitting she wants her book to sell.  The number of textbooks sold in a specialized topic in economics is a very small fraction of the number of copies Ms. Palin&#8217;s book.  If you write a &#8220;popular&#8221; books, then selling as many copies as possible should be your major goal.  For those of us who live in an ivory tower, we don&#8217;t always think about profit when we write a textbook &#8211; that doesn&#8217;t mean a few of them are.  A popular textbook in Intro Psych or Calculus probably makes a huge money for the authoring professor.  But, when you write a textbook for an upper division course which may have 1 section with 15 students every other year, he profit you can get from it is rather limited.</p>
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