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	<title>Comments on: No wine on Facebook, no mimosas at wedding shops: Welcome to the new temperance movement</title>
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		<title>By: Boundaries, I has them &#171; Three Ring Mom</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/11/17/no-wine-on-facebook-no-mimosas-at-wedding-shops-welcome-to-the-new-temperance-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-80085</link>
		<dc:creator>Boundaries, I has them &#171; Three Ring Mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 23:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] To be completely safe, we have to hermetically seal ourselves in our homes, avoiding internetland entirely and any breath of controversy entirely. We never know who will see a completely innocuous picture of us having a glass of wine with friends and turn it into a scandal that would make Rod Blagojevich blush. That&#8217;s no kind of behavior for a teacher, a torch-bearing mob will scream at our administrators. Let&#8217;s strip her naked, cover her in honey, and put on top of an anthill in town square. That&#8217;ll teach that brazen hussy to imbibe that devil juice! Some are going as far as to call this treatment of private citizens with jobs in the public spotlight the new temperance movement. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] To be completely safe, we have to hermetically seal ourselves in our homes, avoiding internetland entirely and any breath of controversy entirely. We never know who will see a completely innocuous picture of us having a glass of wine with friends and turn it into a scandal that would make Rod Blagojevich blush. That&#8217;s no kind of behavior for a teacher, a torch-bearing mob will scream at our administrators. Let&#8217;s strip her naked, cover her in honey, and put on top of an anthill in town square. That&#8217;ll teach that brazen hussy to imbibe that devil juice! Some are going as far as to call this treatment of private citizens with jobs in the public spotlight the new temperance movement. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Georgia Teacher</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/11/17/no-wine-on-facebook-no-mimosas-at-wedding-shops-welcome-to-the-new-temperance-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-18852</link>
		<dc:creator>Georgia Teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 02:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Old Tech,

You are incorrect in your reading of the law. Simply put, a business cannot have any alcohol for the purpose of sale. She can give away as much alcohol as she wants to legal age drinkers, provided is not part of any service. The moment it is included in the price, she has to have a pouring permit.

The same applies to a resturant. A resturant can choose to allow patrons to bring their own alcohol and not have a pouring permit.

The question is &quot;Was this a service?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Old Tech,</p>
<p>You are incorrect in your reading of the law. Simply put, a business cannot have any alcohol for the purpose of sale. She can give away as much alcohol as she wants to legal age drinkers, provided is not part of any service. The moment it is included in the price, she has to have a pouring permit.</p>
<p>The same applies to a resturant. A resturant can choose to allow patrons to bring their own alcohol and not have a pouring permit.</p>
<p>The question is &#8220;Was this a service?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Anastasia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anastasia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 02:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, I am going to give a slightly different perspective on this issue. 

First, I completely agree this was handled improperly (the wedding store situation), as were the &quot;code violations&quot; at the Atlanta Eagle. Violations of this type should be pointed out to the owner in a civil manner by appropriate authorities.  Of course it is outrageous to run an undercover operation and arrest someone over this.

BUT here&#039;s the reason that I am not quite as outraged as others.  There are numerous businesses in Atlanta and nearby, that are supplementing their revenue by renting out their space in off hours as an &quot;event venue.&quot; I could give you a list of 20+ that actively solicit this type of business in Atlanta - boutiques and other retail stores, art, recording and design studios, etc. These places are allowing third parties to use their business space, and to serve alcohol on the premises. They are often in violation of zoning laws, occupancy limits, as well as alcohol laws. 

There may not be a direct exchange of money for alcohol, but if you pay $10 to attend an event in this type of space, and you get free beer, the State of Georgia clearly considers this selling alcohol without a license, as would most local governments.  

I realize this is several steps away from offering a mimosa to clients trying on wedding dresses...but just be aware that it is a slippery slope to situations that really do cross the line and cause unfair competition to those legitimate businesses that have jumped through all the bureaucratic hoops to get licensed to sell and serve alcohol, just to see other businesses regularly skirt the laws with no consequences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, I am going to give a slightly different perspective on this issue. </p>
<p>First, I completely agree this was handled improperly (the wedding store situation), as were the &#8220;code violations&#8221; at the Atlanta Eagle. Violations of this type should be pointed out to the owner in a civil manner by appropriate authorities.  Of course it is outrageous to run an undercover operation and arrest someone over this.</p>
<p>BUT here&#8217;s the reason that I am not quite as outraged as others.  There are numerous businesses in Atlanta and nearby, that are supplementing their revenue by renting out their space in off hours as an &#8220;event venue.&#8221; I could give you a list of 20+ that actively solicit this type of business in Atlanta &#8211; boutiques and other retail stores, art, recording and design studios, etc. These places are allowing third parties to use their business space, and to serve alcohol on the premises. They are often in violation of zoning laws, occupancy limits, as well as alcohol laws. </p>
<p>There may not be a direct exchange of money for alcohol, but if you pay $10 to attend an event in this type of space, and you get free beer, the State of Georgia clearly considers this selling alcohol without a license, as would most local governments.  </p>
<p>I realize this is several steps away from offering a mimosa to clients trying on wedding dresses&#8230;but just be aware that it is a slippery slope to situations that really do cross the line and cause unfair competition to those legitimate businesses that have jumped through all the bureaucratic hoops to get licensed to sell and serve alcohol, just to see other businesses regularly skirt the laws with no consequences.</p>
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		<title>By: DB</title>
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		<dc:creator>DB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 23:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, I guess all those businessmen who have a bar in their office are ALSO breaking the law?  This is a no-win case for the city -- I hope she finds an attorney who is prepared to have a walloping good time!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, I guess all those businessmen who have a bar in their office are ALSO breaking the law?  This is a no-win case for the city &#8212; I hope she finds an attorney who is prepared to have a walloping good time!</p>
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		<title>By: Look before I leap</title>
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		<dc:creator>Look before I leap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 22:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think another poster had it correct.  This reeks of a political hit. In most jurisdictions, even if the constable had reason to think a law was being broken, at worst a citation would be issued and the salon owner can tell it to the judge.  This event seemed orchastrated to cause maximum embarrasment to the salonowner/councilwoman.  The investigation should focus on WHY there was an undercover cop in the shop to begin with?  Was he responding to a complaint? If so, who filed the complaint and when?  What is the proper procedure for determining if a scofflaw should be taken into custody?  Did the cop follow proper procedure? If not..why not?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think another poster had it correct.  This reeks of a political hit. In most jurisdictions, even if the constable had reason to think a law was being broken, at worst a citation would be issued and the salon owner can tell it to the judge.  This event seemed orchastrated to cause maximum embarrasment to the salonowner/councilwoman.  The investigation should focus on WHY there was an undercover cop in the shop to begin with?  Was he responding to a complaint? If so, who filed the complaint and when?  What is the proper procedure for determining if a scofflaw should be taken into custody?  Did the cop follow proper procedure? If not..why not?</p>
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		<title>By: Old Tech</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old Tech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW according to an employee of the shop the mimosas were about 2 oz. of champagne and 6 oz. of orange juice.  Probably more alcohol in a shot of NyQuil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW according to an employee of the shop the mimosas were about 2 oz. of champagne and 6 oz. of orange juice.  Probably more alcohol in a shot of NyQuil.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Tech</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/11/17/no-wine-on-facebook-no-mimosas-at-wedding-shops-welcome-to-the-new-temperance-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-18809</link>
		<dc:creator>Old Tech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The city ordinance says it’s illegal “for any person, corporation, partnership or other legal entity to possess, sell, or possess for the purpose of sale at any business location ... any alcoholic beverage where the person does not have a valid alcoholic beverage license.”

The Columbus city ordinance quoted above states that it is just as illegal for a patron at a restaurant to have a beer. He would be a &quot;person&quot; possessing an &quot;alcoholic beverage&quot; at a &quot;business location&quot; where he &quot;...does not have a valid alcoholic beverage license.&quot; Anyone holding a beer, glass of wine or mixed drink at a &quot;business location&quot; would be just as guilty as Mrs. Wilkinson. Are the fascist Columbus Police Department going to handcuff everyone at every bar in town? The ordinance is poorly written, confusing and obviously selectively enforced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The city ordinance says it’s illegal “for any person, corporation, partnership or other legal entity to possess, sell, or possess for the purpose of sale at any business location &#8230; any alcoholic beverage where the person does not have a valid alcoholic beverage license.”</p>
<p>The Columbus city ordinance quoted above states that it is just as illegal for a patron at a restaurant to have a beer. He would be a &#8220;person&#8221; possessing an &#8220;alcoholic beverage&#8221; at a &#8220;business location&#8221; where he &#8220;&#8230;does not have a valid alcoholic beverage license.&#8221; Anyone holding a beer, glass of wine or mixed drink at a &#8220;business location&#8221; would be just as guilty as Mrs. Wilkinson. Are the fascist Columbus Police Department going to handcuff everyone at every bar in town? The ordinance is poorly written, confusing and obviously selectively enforced.</p>
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		<title>By: DeKalb Conservative</title>
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		<dc:creator>DeKalb Conservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ ihorizon

Wine has a higher alcohol content than beer and to make up for it wine is also typically served in a smaller glass. Hard liquor is obviously much stronger and is either served straight up in very small portions, or is diluted with a non-alcoholic mix.

Not totally relevant here because each state seems to have its own nutty take on how to classify booze.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ ihorizon</p>
<p>Wine has a higher alcohol content than beer and to make up for it wine is also typically served in a smaller glass. Hard liquor is obviously much stronger and is either served straight up in very small portions, or is diluted with a non-alcoholic mix.</p>
<p>Not totally relevant here because each state seems to have its own nutty take on how to classify booze.</p>
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		<title>By: jet skis in the keys</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/11/17/no-wine-on-facebook-no-mimosas-at-wedding-shops-welcome-to-the-new-temperance-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-18790</link>
		<dc:creator>jet skis in the keys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 20:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prohibition ended in 1933!  The South isn&#039;t the only region with a drinking problem.  She must have had something baked in those hors d&#039;oeuvres!

Oregon gets a Cannabis Cafe, and once again, the East Coast gets ransacked by Conservative nut jobs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prohibition ended in 1933!  The South isn&#8217;t the only region with a drinking problem.  She must have had something baked in those hors d&#8217;oeuvres!</p>
<p>Oregon gets a Cannabis Cafe, and once again, the East Coast gets ransacked by Conservative nut jobs.</p>
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		<title>By: Blake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 20:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is so base.  It really highlights a class divide issue in this country. In plain speak....&quot;how common&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is so base.  It really highlights a class divide issue in this country. In plain speak&#8230;.&#8221;how common&#8221;.</p>
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