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		<title>By: CharterStarter, too</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/11/04/charter-school-supporters-take-to-street-friday/comment-page-2/#comment-17897</link>
		<dc:creator>CharterStarter, too</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good Parent...Charter schools are eligble for a federal implementation grant.  This grant helps with initial start up costs for things like....text books, furniture, technology, etc.  The grant does not sustain the school though.  The school still has to pay teachers, pay rent (charters don&#039;t get facilities funding like traditional public schools), utilities, etc.  If you know anything about how the state funds schools, you&#039;d know that the average middle school student earns only $3045 per pupil...do the math and see if you really think a school can sustain operations on this.  And as an additional note - why don&#039;t you go on the state&#039;s AYP reports(www.doe.k12.ga.us) and look at the school&#039;s percentage of special needs, gifted, and remedial students, as well as the demographic representation?  I think you&#039;ll find that that the school is very diverse and is doing quite well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good Parent&#8230;Charter schools are eligble for a federal implementation grant.  This grant helps with initial start up costs for things like&#8230;.text books, furniture, technology, etc.  The grant does not sustain the school though.  The school still has to pay teachers, pay rent (charters don&#8217;t get facilities funding like traditional public schools), utilities, etc.  If you know anything about how the state funds schools, you&#8217;d know that the average middle school student earns only $3045 per pupil&#8230;do the math and see if you really think a school can sustain operations on this.  And as an additional note &#8211; why don&#8217;t you go on the state&#8217;s AYP reports(www.doe.k12.ga.us) and look at the school&#8217;s percentage of special needs, gifted, and remedial students, as well as the demographic representation?  I think you&#8217;ll find that that the school is very diverse and is doing quite well.</p>
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		<title>By: This Ivy Will Cover Dixie Like The Dew</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/11/04/charter-school-supporters-take-to-street-friday/comment-page-2/#comment-17287</link>
		<dc:creator>This Ivy Will Cover Dixie Like The Dew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 21:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good Parent(Former Ivy Parent),

&quot;He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.&quot;
Thomas Jefferson</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good Parent(Former Ivy Parent),</p>
<p>&#8220;He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.&#8221;<br />
Thomas Jefferson</p>
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		<title>By: Dialogue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dialogue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 16:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good Parent,
Please tell me where you have culled your information from? There are several students that attend Ivy Prep that would fall under the guidelines of &quot;special needs&quot;. They fall under IDEA 504 or under an IEP/other and my daughter happens to be one of them. You apparently have something out for Mrs. Gilbert because what does her new home have to do with anything? If you want to audit heads of charter schools to see what they are doing with the money at the same time make sure you audit each and every Gwinnett County School board member to make sure they haven&#039;t funneled any money out of the system as well. Rather than resort to character assassination and snide innuedos let&#039;s try sticking to the issue at hand. Regarding technology I used to work for Apple and HP/Compaq for that matter. Corporations always provide schools discounts to have technology in the classroom. Would you be happier if none of the students had MacBooks? To clear up your untruth all of the students do NOT have MacBooks. Most charter schools and public schools for that matter do fundraisers(donations) to get things for their school that their budgets don&#039;t provide for. Even Ron Clark Academy which is private accepts donations and has several MAJOR companies that provide all types of assistance, monetary included. &quot;In all thy getting, get understanding&quot;. If you don&#039;t understand why Ivy Prep needs so much money to run why don&#039;t you visit the school and ask to see the the operating budget and the schools financial health. Find out if every student actually has a MacBook and then come back and share your findings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good Parent,<br />
Please tell me where you have culled your information from? There are several students that attend Ivy Prep that would fall under the guidelines of &#8220;special needs&#8221;. They fall under IDEA 504 or under an IEP/other and my daughter happens to be one of them. You apparently have something out for Mrs. Gilbert because what does her new home have to do with anything? If you want to audit heads of charter schools to see what they are doing with the money at the same time make sure you audit each and every Gwinnett County School board member to make sure they haven&#8217;t funneled any money out of the system as well. Rather than resort to character assassination and snide innuedos let&#8217;s try sticking to the issue at hand. Regarding technology I used to work for Apple and HP/Compaq for that matter. Corporations always provide schools discounts to have technology in the classroom. Would you be happier if none of the students had MacBooks? To clear up your untruth all of the students do NOT have MacBooks. Most charter schools and public schools for that matter do fundraisers(donations) to get things for their school that their budgets don&#8217;t provide for. Even Ron Clark Academy which is private accepts donations and has several MAJOR companies that provide all types of assistance, monetary included. &#8220;In all thy getting, get understanding&#8221;. If you don&#8217;t understand why Ivy Prep needs so much money to run why don&#8217;t you visit the school and ask to see the the operating budget and the schools financial health. Find out if every student actually has a MacBook and then come back and share your findings.</p>
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		<title>By: Good Parent</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/11/04/charter-school-supporters-take-to-street-friday/comment-page-2/#comment-17242</link>
		<dc:creator>Good Parent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing that I don&#039;t understand is why Ivy Prep needs so much money to run.  They have 2 BRAND NEW buildings, marble floors, all the kids have Macbooks and the received tons of donations last year.  They only started last year and have been asking everyone, from the church to the parents, for money.  They have been in the news ever since they started.  I think someone needs to audit them and look into the presidents new home she bought last year.  The CRCT scores don&#039;t matter at all.  They have no children with special needs in the school so why are they comparing the scores to GPS.  Get real and report all the facts AJC.  Let your readers know everything!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing that I don&#8217;t understand is why Ivy Prep needs so much money to run.  They have 2 BRAND NEW buildings, marble floors, all the kids have Macbooks and the received tons of donations last year.  They only started last year and have been asking everyone, from the church to the parents, for money.  They have been in the news ever since they started.  I think someone needs to audit them and look into the presidents new home she bought last year.  The CRCT scores don&#8217;t matter at all.  They have no children with special needs in the school so why are they comparing the scores to GPS.  Get real and report all the facts AJC.  Let your readers know everything!</p>
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		<title>By: jim d</title>
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		<dc:creator>jim d</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 13:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mo,  great weekend to have been out there</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mo,  great weekend to have been out there</p>
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		<title>By: CharterStarter, too</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/11/04/charter-school-supporters-take-to-street-friday/comment-page-2/#comment-17220</link>
		<dc:creator>CharterStarter, too</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Maureen.  Hope you had a nice trip!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Maureen.  Hope you had a nice trip!</p>
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		<title>By: Maureen Downey</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/11/04/charter-school-supporters-take-to-street-friday/comment-page-2/#comment-17218</link>
		<dc:creator>Maureen Downey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 23:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charterstartr. Just walked in from a weekend in the woods with no Internet. There were 20 of you in spam. All are out. Sorry, Maureen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charterstartr. Just walked in from a weekend in the woods with no Internet. There were 20 of you in spam. All are out. Sorry, Maureen</p>
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		<title>By: CharterStarter, too</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/11/04/charter-school-supporters-take-to-street-friday/comment-page-2/#comment-17216</link>
		<dc:creator>CharterStarter, too</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 22:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maureen...my post disappeared...</description>
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		<title>By: CharterStarter, too</title>
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		<dc:creator>CharterStarter, too</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 16:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me add another couple of points to ponder for those who either oppose charters, the commission, or are sitting on the fence.

Why do we have to define &quot;our&quot; kids?  When I think, as an educator, of my responsibility, I don&#039;t think of my responsibility just to the 20ish students in my classroom, my thoughts are to the impact I am having on my community, in Georgia, and to the nation as a whole in ensuring that I have 20 well taught children leaving my classroom.  I am not sure why it matters whether those children come from my classroom, my neighbor&#039;s classroom, another school, or even another state.  Seems that if every educator, every person making educational policy decisions, every legislator, ever parent, and every community member had that same broad focus and commitment to the kids (and not just the dollars), then we&#039;d see a greater rise in educational outcomes.  It would become a shared accountability for ALL children&#039;s success and the collective good of our communities.  I do not think that every student who comes to my charter school will be successful - we can not be all things to all children.  But we are just right for some kids, and for those kids, we&#039;ll have great outcomes.  Perhaps a chlld is much better off in the traditional public school setting...and in that case, the public school setting will have excellent outcomes.  I think that the parent knows their child best and should have the right to make that call of which public school setting is right for their child.  To me, it doesn&#039;t matter where the child attends - either charter or public - as long as that child is receiving a quality education (defined by academic accountability measures) with the tax dollars spent, then that money has been used to good purpose as it was intended.  And that means that everybody wins - both short and long term, as individual schools, and as a whole state.  

Why does who has the control over that money even play into the equation?  I laughed pretty heartily not very long ago in looking at Gwinnette County&#039;s budget document.  Within it, they defined local taxes....and humorously enough, the definition said something to the effect of &#039;mandated funds collected for the common good.&#039;  Seems to me that if the money is for the common good, then Ivy Prep students are part of that &quot;common good&quot; and should get their proportionate share.  And that is exactly my point in the first paragraph - that we are all here to ensure that every child is well educated.  Every child has adequate funding to support education.  The rural districts have fought like mad (and rightly so) for equity adjustments in educational funding.  The urban districts are taken care of in the funding formula because they serve a higher at-risk population - and that&#039;s right and fair because it takes more to educate these students.  So why is it any less fair for charters to receive a proportionate share to educate their students, particularly since charters are by all definitions - federal, state, and locally, PUBLIC schools.  No matter that you agree with the Commission or not, you can&#039;t get around the fact that charter schools are public schools, and thus, should receive equitable funding like every other public school.  Tax dollars are collected and to be used for the common good.  As a public school, students attending charters are a part of that common good, no matter who doles out the money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me add another couple of points to ponder for those who either oppose charters, the commission, or are sitting on the fence.</p>
<p>Why do we have to define &#8220;our&#8221; kids?  When I think, as an educator, of my responsibility, I don&#8217;t think of my responsibility just to the 20ish students in my classroom, my thoughts are to the impact I am having on my community, in Georgia, and to the nation as a whole in ensuring that I have 20 well taught children leaving my classroom.  I am not sure why it matters whether those children come from my classroom, my neighbor&#8217;s classroom, another school, or even another state.  Seems that if every educator, every person making educational policy decisions, every legislator, ever parent, and every community member had that same broad focus and commitment to the kids (and not just the dollars), then we&#8217;d see a greater rise in educational outcomes.  It would become a shared accountability for ALL children&#8217;s success and the collective good of our communities.  I do not think that every student who comes to my charter school will be successful &#8211; we can not be all things to all children.  But we are just right for some kids, and for those kids, we&#8217;ll have great outcomes.  Perhaps a chlld is much better off in the traditional public school setting&#8230;and in that case, the public school setting will have excellent outcomes.  I think that the parent knows their child best and should have the right to make that call of which public school setting is right for their child.  To me, it doesn&#8217;t matter where the child attends &#8211; either charter or public &#8211; as long as that child is receiving a quality education (defined by academic accountability measures) with the tax dollars spent, then that money has been used to good purpose as it was intended.  And that means that everybody wins &#8211; both short and long term, as individual schools, and as a whole state.  </p>
<p>Why does who has the control over that money even play into the equation?  I laughed pretty heartily not very long ago in looking at Gwinnette County&#8217;s budget document.  Within it, they defined local taxes&#8230;.and humorously enough, the definition said something to the effect of &#8216;mandated funds collected for the common good.&#8217;  Seems to me that if the money is for the common good, then Ivy Prep students are part of that &#8220;common good&#8221; and should get their proportionate share.  And that is exactly my point in the first paragraph &#8211; that we are all here to ensure that every child is well educated.  Every child has adequate funding to support education.  The rural districts have fought like mad (and rightly so) for equity adjustments in educational funding.  The urban districts are taken care of in the funding formula because they serve a higher at-risk population &#8211; and that&#8217;s right and fair because it takes more to educate these students.  So why is it any less fair for charters to receive a proportionate share to educate their students, particularly since charters are by all definitions &#8211; federal, state, and locally, PUBLIC schools.  No matter that you agree with the Commission or not, you can&#8217;t get around the fact that charter schools are public schools, and thus, should receive equitable funding like every other public school.  Tax dollars are collected and to be used for the common good.  As a public school, students attending charters are a part of that common good, no matter who doles out the money.</p>
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		<title>By: CharterStarter, too</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/11/04/charter-school-supporters-take-to-street-friday/comment-page-2/#comment-17203</link>
		<dc:creator>CharterStarter, too</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 16:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ATLNative,

I think the issue tht those in the charter sector have is that they are rarely given a fair opportunity at authorization.  You and others assume that &quot;no one wants the charter there.&quot;  The raelity is that the founding groups do a lot of market analysis before beginning the development process.  I don&#039;t think the general public knows just how much time, money, and energy it takes to develop a school.  Having done it, I can tell you that I wouldn&#039;t have invested all of what I did unless I was pretty sure there was a large enough population of students to sustain the school.  Who would?  I will admit that occasionally charters (nationwide) actually get authorized and then can&#039;t pull a large enough student population.  And that proves that in THAT community, there WASN&#039;T a need/interest.  It is a self correcting system.  Charters are accountable to the market and to their authorizer for high academic achievement and sound busienss practices.  But it should not just be assumed that there is no interest.  A fair approval process should be in place - if there truly isn&#039;t a market, then the problem takes care of itself. 

As far as a community opt out, that tickles me.  I mean, there are a lot of laws, rules, and regulations I&#039;d like to &quot;opt out&quot; of (i.e., 70 mph on the freeway, capital gains tax, having to get a permit to hold a yard sale, and other laws/regulations I&#039;d think generally shouldn&#039;t apply to me or my family.)  But laws and rules in general are established to protect the rights, safety, and well-being of the WHOLE, not a collective few.  As I outlined above, I think the system that has been established is an appropriate checks and balances, and because charters are accountable to the market, there is an additional check and balance for every community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ATLNative,</p>
<p>I think the issue tht those in the charter sector have is that they are rarely given a fair opportunity at authorization.  You and others assume that &#8220;no one wants the charter there.&#8221;  The raelity is that the founding groups do a lot of market analysis before beginning the development process.  I don&#8217;t think the general public knows just how much time, money, and energy it takes to develop a school.  Having done it, I can tell you that I wouldn&#8217;t have invested all of what I did unless I was pretty sure there was a large enough population of students to sustain the school.  Who would?  I will admit that occasionally charters (nationwide) actually get authorized and then can&#8217;t pull a large enough student population.  And that proves that in THAT community, there WASN&#8217;T a need/interest.  It is a self correcting system.  Charters are accountable to the market and to their authorizer for high academic achievement and sound busienss practices.  But it should not just be assumed that there is no interest.  A fair approval process should be in place &#8211; if there truly isn&#8217;t a market, then the problem takes care of itself. </p>
<p>As far as a community opt out, that tickles me.  I mean, there are a lot of laws, rules, and regulations I&#8217;d like to &#8220;opt out&#8221; of (i.e., 70 mph on the freeway, capital gains tax, having to get a permit to hold a yard sale, and other laws/regulations I&#8217;d think generally shouldn&#8217;t apply to me or my family.)  But laws and rules in general are established to protect the rights, safety, and well-being of the WHOLE, not a collective few.  As I outlined above, I think the system that has been established is an appropriate checks and balances, and because charters are accountable to the market, there is an additional check and balance for every community.</p>
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