Teacher fight in Clayton sounds like Jerry Springer script

A messy love triangle is one thing, but a brawl in a school with expletives flying in front of students crosses a line. I don’t think the two teachers involved in Monday’s melee belong in classrooms with kids. I would not want my children in their classes. I doubt any other parents would, either.

Unfortunately, the fight between two women over a male teacher who they were both seeing occurred in Clayton County, which doesn’t need any more negative press. (The county’s tarnished reputation is not being helped by school board member  Trinia Garrett who is about to go on trial for assaulting her live-in boyfriend.)

I understand that one teacher appears to be the greater aggressor here, but the alleged conduct of both in full view of  students is appalling. If the police report is accurate, the incident reflects a stunning lack of professionalism . In fact, the drama sounds like a Jerry Springer script.

According to the AJC story,

The fight broke out Monday morning after the women learned they both were involved with the same male teacher, who also teaches at the school.

Cobb, who told police she is expecting a child with the man, said she found a letter from Smith on the man’s Facebook page.

“I am in love with you. I am tired of being your every blue moon [expletive],” the letter read.

Cobb responded on Facebook with a “tumultuous” message, police said.

On Monday morning, the fight moved from Facebook to the school halls. That’s where Smith approached Cobb and told her to “never do that again,” the report states.

Cobb summoned an assistant principal, but the fight didn’t stop.

Instead, it spilled into a classroom where Smith began to swing at Cobb, the report states.

Several other teachers broke up the fight and Cobb stormed down the hallway while threatening to post the letter on the blackboard.

The assistant principal told police she pulled Cobb into another classroom, with the children present, to calm her down. But Cobb continued to curse in front of the students. That’s when Smith ran into the room again and “attempted to attack” Cobb, the report states.

Police interviewed several students, who said they heard Smith yell “[Expletive], you don’t want none of this” and “get the [expletive] off me” while teachers were holding her down.

After talking to students and teachers, police charged Smith with simple assault and disorderly conduct. Cobb was charged with disorderly conduct.

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ATL parent

October 30th, 2009
5:20 pm

Male teacher is a stud.

Joy in Teaching

October 30th, 2009
5:23 pm

Teachers are people. And some people have problems.

The thing is…if these were two department store employees, this wouldn’t even make the news because teachers are held to a higher standard.

V for Vendetta

October 30th, 2009
5:29 pm

Let’s see, I wonder how the majority of the posts in response to this topic will go . . . .

-It’s because they’re black.

-Clayton is full of black people, so it must be because they’re black.

-Only black people act that way, so it must be because they’re black.

-That’s why black children grow up to act that way–because they see black adults act that way. And they’re black.

-If black people didn’t act so black then they wouldn’t do black things in front of black students. Black.

-Black teachers black and were black in front of black students black and black who black with black and black black black. Because they’re black.

Does that about sum it up? Do you realize how stupid that sounds? Is poverty a reason? Sure. Cultural bankruptcy. Yes. A lack of value for education? Absolutely.

Is it skin color? Not on your life.

Lee

October 30th, 2009
5:54 pm

So V, poverty is a reason for school teachers to engage in a menage a trois, one of them to get knocked up with an illegitimate child, and then the females engage in a schoolyard fight?

What the hell do you drink?

Just say they were “teaching while black.” Makes more sense.

Maureen Downey

October 30th, 2009
6:09 pm

Joy in Teaching, If two department store employees got into a fight and cursed and tussled in front of customers to the point that police were called, there would be a news item.
And they would be fired, that I can guarantee from my three years working at Grant’s department store.
Maureen

lets call a spade a spade

October 30th, 2009
6:20 pm

@V for Vendetta

Naw… just some stupid a$$ broads! Remember the astronaut who drove wearing a diaper to confront her lovers wife? Just a stupid white broad. Stupid broads come in all colors. But back to the race thing…a hit dog will holla!

Lee

October 30th, 2009
6:25 pm

Sayyy, doesn’t an attack on an educator carry extra penalties/charges?

Lock’em up Dan’o.

Now, if we can just get someone to go down to Atlanta and provoke Kathy Cox into a fight….

redd

October 30th, 2009
6:34 pm

Race is not the issue here. Stupidity comes in all shapes and colors. Lets not make this out to be a black thing. White women do dumb things also. A white female school bus driver was just arrested for having sex with a student(a black boy), the crazy white astronaut who drove acroos the country in a diaper to confront another female about a co-worker, the white woman who drowned her four kids because she believed they were evil, and lets not forget PARIS HILTON, Lindsy Lohan, Brittany Spears,and the octomom . I rest my case.

ScienceTeacher671

October 30th, 2009
6:52 pm

Regardless, neither of them belongs in a classroom.

FultonTeacher

October 30th, 2009
7:01 pm

I truly hope that the Professional Standards Commission steps in on this one.

Shannon, M.Div.

October 30th, 2009
7:39 pm

Yes, yes, terribly unprofessional. And when are women going to wise up? The other woman is not the problem. She didn’t promise you diddly squat. Both the women should go confront the *man,* who is the problem in their respective lives (and they should certainly wait until they’re off school property after hours to do so). Did they even bother to properly focus their anger at the one who played them against each other? No. So we’re going to know their names, and we won’t know his. They’re going to (likely) lose their jobs, and he won’t. The repercussions from this incident will follow them for a long time, and he won’t have *any*. Yeesh.

lets call a spade a spade

October 30th, 2009
8:40 pm

I am soooo tired of the number of women who constantly let men play them!

big daddy

October 30th, 2009
8:50 pm

HE PUT IT ON THEM,MADE THEM LOSE IT,THE JOB TOO.POOR LADIES

PBR

October 30th, 2009
9:56 pm

V.,
Color has nothing to do with it, and there are probably very, very few people who think it does. This is simply a case of bad behavior. And yes, I am a black female.

wealth07

October 30th, 2009
10:10 pm

The problem with this case is the man – period! Nothing – really was said about him. Both women were played – period – end of story. Now – both women will probably loose their jobs. Women – when are we going to wise up confront the man. You don’t know what he said to the other woman at all. All I have to ask is what he worth it? I would have to say “NO”. Nothing is proabably going to happen to him. WOMEN OUT THERE – PLEASE WISE UP!!!

wealth07

October 30th, 2009
10:17 pm

I agree with the comments earlier – these woman are teachers – and should be held to higher standard. But they are also human and have feelings. These feelings got in the way of them thinking straight. Women – take a lesson from this public exposure — for some reason – we always attack the “other women” but we don’t have a clue as what “the man” have told them. Why do they cheat— because they can. it.

V for Vendetta

October 30th, 2009
10:46 pm

PBR,

Yeah, that’s kind of the point I was trying to make.

Just Thinking

October 30th, 2009
10:53 pm

Teachers should be held to a higher standard as well as the school board, Why do we allow this to happen in our schools.? What is this teaching our children? Fire all three teachers , Press charges .
Get the scums out of the school,

oldtimer

October 30th, 2009
11:00 pm

As an oldtime teacher….they are gone!

ScienceTeacher671

October 30th, 2009
11:09 pm

I think there used to be “moral turpitude” clauses…

Just Thinking

October 30th, 2009
11:12 pm

My 2nd grade grandson visited me last week-end. He showed me the dance he learned in P.E . It was the Michael Jackson dance .He grapped his crouch, finished his dance . He was so proud of what he learned . LORD HELP US ALL

Goodness

October 30th, 2009
11:16 pm

Horrible example. Three educated black folks acting like fools, 1. unprotected sex, 2.fighting over a man and now 3.an illegitimate but innocent child on the way. Black people we can do better. The man isn’t worth it. He should be fired as well!

drann

October 30th, 2009
11:20 pm

I think its not about been black,its just one woman was mad because the other was pregnant,and believed she was the loser.Give the ladies a break,they are human,we all make mistakes.I hate they had to do it in front of the kids.God bless them both.

zoe

October 30th, 2009
11:29 pm

What I think is interesting is that one of the women is pregnant by this man yet they are not married, nor does it seem like that was even in the cards. What kind of example does that set for middle school children? I am in no way a prude, but I do have issues with unmarried pregnant teachers teaching impressionable young girls. This woman has a degree and will be able to provide for her child, unless of course she gets fired, but that is another story. But, her being pregnant and teaching young middle school girls give the illusion that it is easy to be single and take care of a baby.
I would never say a teacher should be fired because she is pregnant and single, I just think teachers should have more care about how what they do in their personal life can influence, even indirectly, the lives of the students they teach.
I see too many girls on a daily basis wander down my hall with huge pregnant bellies. I think at last count we have between 10-20 pregnant girls at our school and probably another 20-30 that have already had at least 1 kid. There is this celebration of babies, the kids drag their infants up to the school to “show off” their kids, but talk to these same girls 2 or 3 years from now, they are on WIC, food stamps, struggling to get by.

zoe

October 30th, 2009
11:38 pm

http://www.news-daily.com/main.asp?SectionID=2&SubSectionID=2&ArticleID=29148&TM=84990.38

According to the Clayton News Daily, the teacher’s name is Derek Green.

zoe

October 30th, 2009
11:43 pm

Also according to the article, one of the teachers was Rex Mill’s Teacher of the Year for 2007-8…oh my! This article also seems to go in more depth as to what was actually written in the police report.

majii

October 31st, 2009
12:21 am

As an AA who taught school for 33 years, I think this is scandalous. There is no excuse for this type of behavior. My mom and dad raised all 6 of us to have a sense of pride in ourselves and emphasized that some behavior is never acceptable. The rule in our house was that you conducted yourself like a young lady/gentleman in public, and you did nothing to bring shame on the family. I know it is not the norm nowadays, but when I was growing up my parents established an order for my life: education, marriage, then children. I had to follow these rules because my parents offered no options to them. There was no way that I could have explained to my parents that I was having a baby and was not married. I have a daughter, and I raised her the same way. People can give any reason they desire to excuse a particular behavior, but I can say that in my case the old way of doing things worked well for myself and my daughter. I’ll never forget what my parents told me, and that was that in order to rear good kids, you had to set a good example, lay down the rules, and insist that they be followed.

drew

October 31st, 2009
1:14 am

V…nothing like cynicism, eh? I’m still waiting for all the racists comments you feared. BTW…the portion of the story above does not even identify the teachers as black, so are you assuming they’re black just because it’s Clayco? Or did you read the entire story in the AJC, and assume they’re black because their names are Chaka and Ebony? LOL!!!

And to man haters out there, yeah, let’s just blame it all on the big, bad, man. The two females engage in a profanity laced fight IN FRONT OF THEIR STUDENTS, and it’s the man’s fault? Of the three, the man appears to be the only one who has maintained any semblence of professionalism. He may be a cheater, and he may be a liar, but at least when he’s in school he act’s like a professional. If the ladies want to lay claim to a man, they need to marry one. Sreading your legs for a man, or even being impregnated by a man, does equate to ownership.

And to those who say the man should be fired…fire him for what? Playing women? You start firing men for playing women (or women for playing men!!) and the unemployment rate is REALLY gonna skyrocket. From a professional stand point, as far as I can tell, the man has done nothing to warrant any discipline whatsoever.

MS MIAMI

October 31st, 2009
7:41 am

THIS IS REALLY A HARD THING TO DIGEST-AND WOMEN SHOULD REMEMBER A MAN WILL BE A MAN.WOMEN SHOULD HAVE MORE RESPECT FOR THEMSELVES THAN ACT LIKE COMPLETE A HOLES!!!!

Chris Murphy, Atlanta, GA

October 31st, 2009
8:31 am

V: Instead of complaining about what you thought would happen on this blog, why not complain to the county school system for having three obvious incompetents as teachers? Who is doing the harm, some pinheads on a website or people in positions of authority at a middle school?

Old School

October 31st, 2009
8:53 am

In my opinion, it matters not what has been going on in their personal lives or online. Just as we encourage students to rise above (or at least set aside) personal mayhem and get on with the business of learning, teachers need to TEACH. They should deal with personal and interpersonal issues away from the campus. If they can’t or won’t, they need to stay home. The foul language for me is reason enough to suspend them without pay. I hold myself to a higher standard and try very hard to present to my students an adult who understands there is a time and place for everything and that language- properly used- is a powerful tool. I don’t need to fight, swear or call people names to get my point across. . . even in the heat of anger.

ScienceTeacher671

October 31st, 2009
8:54 am

Everyone is entitled to legal representation…so at the hearings to determine whether these women get to keep their jobs and their certificates, will they be represented by GAE, MACE, or PAGE?

(and what “professional organization” would want to be associated with that case?)

Chocolatestar

October 31st, 2009
9:41 am

As sad as it is…it happened! Unfortanulately, these women as well as the male did not act professional. Your personal life should not be published on Facebook. He played them both, and like a fool, they confronted each other instead of taking the issue up with him, off the clock, off school property and handle your business at home behind close doors…you brought it to the publics’ eye. You have brought more shame to your family and the county is who heading in a positive direction to clean-up the tarnish name…with bull crap. It is my hope that when reality settles in…..they all realize what in the blank was I thinking…fighting over foolishness, disgracing myself, my family, my school, and the children that I am suppose to be setting a positve example for. I really believe thay should all be removed from the school….what children, co-workers or administrators are going to take them SERIOUS now!!!!

Carla

October 31st, 2009
10:14 am

Teachers are humans too. It is too bad thet the women will lose their license to teach in Georgia, but the male teacher will still have his job. Why would he date teachers who work at the same school? He shares some of the blame too. Although he was not physically involved in the fight, he is the cause of the altercation. Very embarrassing and sad. The students see enough of this at home, and they also witness their own parents attacking teachers.

Carla

October 31st, 2009
10:20 am

I am in total agreement with Chocolatestar. The people involved embarrassed not only themselves, but their families as well. The male teacher is as much to blame as the females. Why would he date women who work at the same school? Typical male behavior. There are more men in the world. Fighting over a broke teacher. LOL

ScienceTeacher671

October 31st, 2009
10:42 am

Why would the male teacher date not one, but two coworkers? Why would the male teacher impregnate a woman to whom he was not married, and be dating another woman instead of standing by the mother of his child? What sort of example is that for young black men?

ScienceTeacher671

October 31st, 2009
10:43 am

…or young men of any stripe, for that matter…

paintman

October 31st, 2009
11:11 am

Stop all of this stuff. The person who needs to be FIRED is the school board idiot who would hire two people to teach our kids with names like CHAKA and EBONY !!!! How the hell did that work for ya ????? What WERE you thinking ???Nobody applied with names like SUE, LINDA, SHARON or Nancy ??? Hell yea it has everything to do with race—If you can’t see that–then you are part of the PROBLEM. Wake up America !!!!

Chocolatestar

October 31st, 2009
11:19 am

How does a name affect the job you do? If that is the case, we are all in trouble if you based your stupidity on a persons name. There are plenty of Sues’, Lindas’, and Sharons’…..ALREADY fired for sleeping with the students.

BlackGirl

October 31st, 2009
11:33 am

@Carla, teachers may not make 6 figures, but what makes you think he’s broke?

@Science Teacher why is that anytime a black person does anything, they’re representing the black race? He set a bad example for all young men.

Paintman, a persons name does not define who they are. A child has no choice in the name a parent gives them. Let’s see, if her name is Mary Kay we can trust our 6th grade son with her. If her name isAileen, she won’t become a serial killer. We can trust our teenaged boys around a teacher named Silvia. Surely she won’t get them drunk and have sex with them. Debra sounds so wholesome, so again, we can trust her not to have sex with our kids. Gimme a break! There are people that shouldn’t be teachers in all races! Discriminating based on their name is ridiculous!

This could be used as a teachable moment with the students at the school. Many of the girls today fight over boys. Seeing how this has damaged these teacher’s lives could have an impact on some of the students.

They should definitely lose their jobs. Adults need to behave like adults.

BlackGirl

October 31st, 2009
11:35 am

Where is my post? This is quite annoying,

Maureen Downey

October 31st, 2009
11:40 am

BG, It’s up now. It was in the filter.
Maureen

drew

October 31st, 2009
11:45 am

V….got a little chip on our shoulder, eh?
Chocolate…yeah let’s just blame it on the evil MAN, right?

Looks to me like we have a few man-haters out there. Of the three people involved, it appears to me that man is the only one who’s maintained any semblance of proffesionalism. What teachers do outside of school is their own business (unless it’s illegal). Unfortunately, these two women would not contain their inner “Springer” and chose to let it out at school. When keepin’ it real goes wrong…LOL!. This man has done NOTHING to warrant any kind of disciplinary actions, so those of you wanting to hold him accountable are simply letting your man-hate show. Lets keep the blame where it belongs…on the two women who engaged in the profanity laced tirade in front of their students.

PS…allowing a man to impregnate you does not make him YOURS.

Maureen Downey

October 31st, 2009
11:48 am

While I agree that the male teacher’s love life is no example for young men, there is no evidence that he conducted it in front of the students so I don’t see any cause for action against him. In the aftermath of the Letterman scandal, there have been many stories on the rise of workplace romances, many of which end badly. (And in the past, it’s the woman who paid the bigger price because she usually had the lesser job.)
But I think that is changing as women move up the ladder.
Having married another reporter, I can’t say that I oppose workplace dating, but it should be kept out of view at work.
Maureen

paintman

October 31st, 2009
11:54 am

Hey blackgirl, it’s not the name stupid–it’s the CULTURE !!!!!

V for Vendetta

October 31st, 2009
12:09 pm

Chris,

I’m not all that worried about the county’s decisions. I don’t live, teach, or play in Clayton county . . . nor would I ever.

ScienceTeacher671

October 31st, 2009
12:54 pm

Maureen, like others here, I do appreciate that you participate in the blog rather than just posting topics and ignoring everything that happens afterwards.

I’m not saying that the male teacher ought to be sanctioned professionally, just that his behavior isn’t necessarily beyond reproach, although at least he seems to have behaved professionally in front of the students.

And, FWIW, I also ended up marrying a coworker – it’s the love-triangle-at-work thing that bothers me.

Look before I leap

October 31st, 2009
1:03 pm

What are the lessons here?
Don’t fool around with co-workers – when it goes bad, your job could be in jeopardy. At best, the workplace becomes a miserable place to be.
Sex with a partner to whom you are not married without a condom? – Given the fact that Derek the Stud is a ‘playa’, she is lucky if she does not have an STD or worse.
Why air your personal sh*t on Facebook?
Your man is playin on you? Get some self-respect and tell HIM to take a hike.
All 3 of the individuals are trash and skin color is irrelevant here.

Maureen Downey

October 31st, 2009
1:09 pm

ScienceTeacher, I agree on the triangle being a horrible lapse of judgment and creepy. I would think this male teacher might do better changing systems. And since he’s allegedly got a baby coming, he also ought to change his ways.
I think the kids in Clayton deserve better than they have gotten from the adults in their system. As to V’s comment, I think some folks living in Clayton would like to relocate, but this is not the best time to sell a house or find a new job.
Maureen

BlackGirl

October 31st, 2009
1:18 pm

@paintman, and I quote, “Hell yea it has everything to do with race—If you can’t see that–then you are part of the PROBLEM.” Where was the word culture used in your post? Apparently it was deleted by some blog ghost as a Halloween trick!

It is obvious that you are the one that doesn’t get it…and I won’t resort to name calling. I am a part of the American culture. A name is not part of a problem, the person is.