Comments on: If Jaycee Dugard managed to teach her children in hell, why can’t schools do as well with their students? http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/10/29/if-jaycee-dugard-managed-to-teach-her-children-in-hell-why-cant-schools-do-as-well-with-their-students/ Your source to discuss and learn about education in Atlanta, Georgia and the nation Sat, 11 Feb 2012 02:30:34 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Emma Kaye http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/10/29/if-jaycee-dugard-managed-to-teach-her-children-in-hell-why-cant-schools-do-as-well-with-their-students/comment-page-1/#comment-73510 Emma Kaye Sat, 31 Jul 2010 22:01:50 +0000 http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/?p=2619#comment-73510 I have 3 teachers in close knit group of friends. The oldest is in his 60's and retired, the next is in mid-30's and the youngest is 29. I will say that the students I know (personally) that were taught by the oldest teacher, have more respect and a higher knowledge level than the students of the younger 2 teachers. When I ask why, I am told, by the younger teachers, "we are not paid enough,we don't have enough resourses, and the biggest EXCUSE is that the students today don't care" HOG WASH!! Reading can start early and at home. try this to help you out, <a href="http://www.leeandlow.com/" rel="nofollow">child book publishing company</a> (this is a true accounting of my experience with family teachers) I have 3 teachers in close knit group of friends. The oldest is in his 60’s and retired, the next is in mid-30’s and the youngest is 29. I will say that the students I know (personally) that were taught by the oldest teacher, have more respect and a higher knowledge level than the students of the younger 2 teachers. When I ask why, I am told, by the younger teachers, “we are not paid enough,we don’t have enough resourses, and the biggest EXCUSE is that the students today don’t care” HOG WASH!! Reading can start early and at home. try this to help you out, child book publishing company
(this is a true accounting of my experience with family teachers)

]]> By: appalled http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/10/29/if-jaycee-dugard-managed-to-teach-her-children-in-hell-why-cant-schools-do-as-well-with-their-students/comment-page-1/#comment-39579 appalled Mon, 08 Mar 2010 20:25:03 +0000 http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/?p=2619#comment-39579 As an educated adult, I find this entire post absolutely appalling. I'm not sure how someone would compare the education of two captive children to public education. A life of captivity and public education are not comparable! If I were to put myself in the Dugard's shoes (which is a situation I cannot even begin to fathom)I would presume that learning and reading was an escape to the life they were forced to lead. Thier environment was outlandishly different than public education. Now, as a teacher, I also find this post absolutely appalling once again. Teachers put many hours of dedication into thier work. Our government should fund the education system adequately to get the results they desire. I do not respect the opinion of this post. Rather I find it one-sided, biased, and completely irrelevant. I suggest if one would like to bash public educators, then perhaps a better comparison is order. As an educated adult, I find this entire post absolutely appalling. I’m not sure how someone would compare the education of two captive children to public education. A life of captivity and public education are not comparable! If I were to put myself in the Dugard’s shoes (which is a situation I cannot even begin to fathom)I would presume that learning and reading was an escape to the life they were forced to lead. Thier environment was outlandishly different than public education.

Now, as a teacher, I also find this post absolutely appalling once again. Teachers put many hours of dedication into thier work. Our government should fund the education system adequately to get the results they desire. I do not respect the opinion of this post. Rather I find it one-sided, biased, and completely irrelevant. I suggest if one would like to bash public educators, then perhaps a better comparison is order.

]]> By: mitch faar http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/10/29/if-jaycee-dugard-managed-to-teach-her-children-in-hell-why-cant-schools-do-as-well-with-their-students/comment-page-1/#comment-16915 mitch faar Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:10:31 +0000 http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/?p=2619#comment-16915 this is one utmost stupid comment i have ever encountered in my entire life! the difference between Jaycee (age almost 30), angel (age 15) and the average 12-15 year old today is that the average 12-15 year old would be looking to escape each and every day because they he or she will be missing on facebook, tweeter, playstation and iphone. whether they are able to read at their proper grade level will be irrelevant. they will know being captive in a shed in a backyard is wrong. which leads us to one conclusion: just because jaycee and angel know how to read, it does not mean they comprehend what they are reading. If they knew how to read critically, they would have grasped the difference between freedom and slavery and would not have waited to be rescued. they would have jumped over the fence a long time ago. that is the goal of education: to grasp and develop ideas, not to merely learn the 3 rs. stop obsessing over the 3rs. so what if your child makes a couple of spelling mistakes here and there? critical thinking is the meaningful purpose of education. can1z at aim dot com. this is one utmost stupid comment i have ever encountered in my entire life! the difference between Jaycee (age almost 30), angel (age 15) and the average 12-15 year old today is that the average 12-15 year old would be looking to escape each and every day because they he or she will be missing on facebook, tweeter, playstation and iphone. whether they are able to read at their proper grade level will be irrelevant. they will know being captive in a shed in a backyard is wrong. which leads us to one conclusion: just because jaycee and angel know how to read, it does not mean they comprehend what they are reading. If they knew how to read critically, they would have grasped the difference between freedom and slavery and would not have waited to be rescued. they would have jumped over the fence a long time ago.

that is the goal of education: to grasp and develop ideas, not to merely learn the 3 rs. stop obsessing over the 3rs. so what if your child makes a couple of spelling mistakes here and there? critical thinking is the meaningful purpose of education. can1z at aim dot com.

]]> By: OvenBaked http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/10/29/if-jaycee-dugard-managed-to-teach-her-children-in-hell-why-cant-schools-do-as-well-with-their-students/comment-page-1/#comment-16448 OvenBaked Sun, 01 Nov 2009 20:05:59 +0000 http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/?p=2619#comment-16448 One word...Politics! Children do not individual attention when in the classroom. Individuals who are not in tune to a school's "best practices" tend to lose out. One word…Politics! Children do not individual attention when in the classroom. Individuals who are not in tune to a school’s “best practices” tend to lose out.

]]> By: murraye http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/10/29/if-jaycee-dugard-managed-to-teach-her-children-in-hell-why-cant-schools-do-as-well-with-their-students/comment-page-1/#comment-16252 murraye Fri, 30 Oct 2009 21:36:45 +0000 http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/?p=2619#comment-16252 What a bizarre story and the comments are even more nuts. We have a kidnapped woman living in a tent with little education in a horrific situation, and you are treating this like a valid comparison with homeschooling? Next thing you will argue for is breeding more children from rapists because these kids are genetically superior somehow. We are a great and advanced country because we have free and universal public education. Suggesting we end it is foolish just because some students don't do as well. The world is modern and complex, and we can't afford to have women stay home and be unproductive by trying to teach their children for 12 years and act like that will prepare the majority of students for a competitive university. What a bizarre story and the comments are even more nuts. We have a kidnapped woman living in a tent with little education in a horrific situation, and you are treating this like a valid comparison with homeschooling? Next thing you will argue for is breeding more children from rapists because these kids are genetically superior somehow.

We are a great and advanced country because we have free and universal public education. Suggesting we end it is foolish just because some students don’t do as well. The world is modern and complex, and we can’t afford to have women stay home and be unproductive by trying to teach their children for 12 years and act like that will prepare the majority of students for a competitive university.

]]> By: sad story http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/10/29/if-jaycee-dugard-managed-to-teach-her-children-in-hell-why-cant-schools-do-as-well-with-their-students/comment-page-1/#comment-16242 sad story Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:17:12 +0000 http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/?p=2619#comment-16242 It's just so sad to see teachers immediately listing excuses after excuses for not being able to teach their students. Their lack of professionalism is just so sad. It’s just so sad to see teachers immediately listing excuses after excuses for not being able to teach their students. Their lack of professionalism is just so sad.

]]> By: Susan N. Watson http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/10/29/if-jaycee-dugard-managed-to-teach-her-children-in-hell-why-cant-schools-do-as-well-with-their-students/comment-page-1/#comment-16192 Susan N. Watson Fri, 30 Oct 2009 12:31:17 +0000 http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/?p=2619#comment-16192 I have taught exceptional students in public school and exceptional home-schooled students in college. The key is the home situation and the parents. Parents who are involved, who value education, and who set behavioral standards are the backbone of an educated society. I have taught exceptional students in public school and exceptional home-schooled students in college. The key is the home situation and the parents. Parents who are involved, who value education, and who set behavioral standards are the backbone of an educated society.

]]> By: Maureen Downey http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/10/29/if-jaycee-dugard-managed-to-teach-her-children-in-hell-why-cant-schools-do-as-well-with-their-students/comment-page-1/#comment-16190 Maureen Downey Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:40:06 +0000 http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/?p=2619#comment-16190 LouieB, My kids attend public school. And I fully support public schools. (Read anything I have ever written on universal vouchers.) However, it doesn't meant that folks shouldn't ask questions. Blind support of any institution is dangerous. Maureen LouieB, My kids attend public school. And I fully support public schools. (Read anything I have ever written on universal vouchers.)
However, it doesn’t meant that folks shouldn’t ask questions. Blind support of any institution is dangerous.
Maureen

]]> By: LouieB http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/10/29/if-jaycee-dugard-managed-to-teach-her-children-in-hell-why-cant-schools-do-as-well-with-their-students/comment-page-1/#comment-16185 LouieB Fri, 30 Oct 2009 06:18:00 +0000 http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/?p=2619#comment-16185 Come on, Maureen, these situations are entirely different. You are trying to compare apples and pineapples. Your antipathy for public school educators is hardly disguised. Come on, Maureen, these situations are entirely different. You are trying to compare apples and pineapples. Your antipathy for public school educators is hardly disguised.

]]> By: Sage Boyd http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/10/29/if-jaycee-dugard-managed-to-teach-her-children-in-hell-why-cant-schools-do-as-well-with-their-students/comment-page-1/#comment-16181 Sage Boyd Fri, 30 Oct 2009 04:53:53 +0000 http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/?p=2619#comment-16181 Seriously? The manifest function of the education system in the US is not to educate children, but to keep them out of the workforce so that they don't compete for jobs that need to be available for adults. The reason there are mandated (6-16 in the US) ages that children are supposed to be in school is to keep them from working during the day. When the focus of "education" is occupation there is no question that "education" will fail to do more than occupy. If you want your child to be intelligent, to learn how to think, and to be knowledgeable about the world as it was, is or should be, teach them yourself or pay someone to teach them. No one is paying 'educators' to teach. If they were, 'educators' pay would reflect the value we place on educating our children. As it is... one reaps what one sows. Seriously?
The manifest function of the education system in the US is not to educate children, but to keep them out of the workforce so that they don’t compete for jobs that need to be available for adults. The reason there are mandated (6-16 in the US) ages that children are supposed to be in school is to keep them from working during the day.
When the focus of “education” is occupation there is no question that “education” will fail to do more than occupy.
If you want your child to be intelligent, to learn how to think, and to be knowledgeable about the world as it was, is or should be, teach them yourself or pay someone to teach them. No one is paying ‘educators’ to teach. If they were, ‘educators’ pay would reflect the value we place on educating our children. As it is… one reaps what one sows.

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