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		<title>By: ScienceTeacher671</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/10/29/doe-responds-to-naepcrct-score-gap/comment-page-1/#comment-16581</link>
		<dc:creator>ScienceTeacher671</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 02:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maureen, I was wondering if you had talked to Matt today?  Maybe I asked on the wrong thread?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maureen, I was wondering if you had talked to Matt today?  Maybe I asked on the wrong thread?</p>
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		<title>By: Maureen Downey</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/10/29/doe-responds-to-naepcrct-score-gap/comment-page-1/#comment-16578</link>
		<dc:creator>Maureen Downey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 02:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ScienceTeacher, Not sure it was us this time as there is nothing by you in the filter.
Maureen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ScienceTeacher, Not sure it was us this time as there is nothing by you in the filter.<br />
Maureen</p>
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		<title>By: ScienceTeacher671</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/10/29/doe-responds-to-naepcrct-score-gap/comment-page-1/#comment-16575</link>
		<dc:creator>ScienceTeacher671</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 01:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@*#$&amp;# blog monster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@*#$&amp;# blog monster.</p>
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		<title>By: CLS</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/10/29/doe-responds-to-naepcrct-score-gap/comment-page-1/#comment-16500</link>
		<dc:creator>CLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 15:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Michael Dib -- can you tell me which GA Tech forum that was said at?  I&#039;m a graduate of Tech and completely horrified that GT&#039;s CEISMC (Center for Education Integrating Science, Mathematics, and Computing) is involved in this math debacle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Michael Dib &#8212; can you tell me which GA Tech forum that was said at?  I&#8217;m a graduate of Tech and completely horrified that GT&#8217;s CEISMC (Center for Education Integrating Science, Mathematics, and Computing) is involved in this math debacle.</p>
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		<title>By: ScienceTeacher671</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/10/29/doe-responds-to-naepcrct-score-gap/comment-page-1/#comment-16312</link>
		<dc:creator>ScienceTeacher671</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael Dib has some great suggestions for questions.

I&#039;m with catlady &amp; Carla - the ITBS is the Iowa Test of BASIC SKILLS - which basic skills are we not teaching in Georgia? Why not? 

And if a child passes the CRCT, shouldn&#039;t parents be assured that their child has mastered at least the BASIC skills appropriate for his/her grade level?  Anything else is deceitful, IMO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael Dib has some great suggestions for questions.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m with catlady &amp; Carla &#8211; the ITBS is the Iowa Test of BASIC SKILLS &#8211; which basic skills are we not teaching in Georgia? Why not? </p>
<p>And if a child passes the CRCT, shouldn&#8217;t parents be assured that their child has mastered at least the BASIC skills appropriate for his/her grade level?  Anything else is deceitful, IMO.</p>
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		<title>By: Carla</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/10/29/doe-responds-to-naepcrct-score-gap/comment-page-1/#comment-16309</link>
		<dc:creator>Carla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If scores are droppng, we need to drop the CRCT.  Nationally normed tests are the best indicators of student success. Remember that Georgia is not ranked highly when compared to the rest of the states.  O</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If scores are droppng, we need to drop the CRCT.  Nationally normed tests are the best indicators of student success. Remember that Georgia is not ranked highly when compared to the rest of the states.  O</p>
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		<title>By: Micheal Dib</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/10/29/doe-responds-to-naepcrct-score-gap/comment-page-1/#comment-16294</link>
		<dc:creator>Micheal Dib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 06:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Ms. Downey,   When the state provides the data please ask for the data since 2004.  We have found that the school system tends to compare single year data so that they can show minimal increases as a sign of success. We prefer to look at multi-year trends and we do this not only by district or county but we do this by school.  Also ask that instead of providing the data in hard copy or pdf that they provide it in Excel or even better give you the database.  This will allow you and or anyone else the ability to do an analysis.  Unfortunately for parents we are only give the data in hard copy so that we have to then enter the data by grade and by school for all of the subjects to do the analysis,  This is labor intensive but it does allow us to get the facts.  

 A fact in Fulton County is that on the ITBS scores while almost all schools have dropped in every area the decrease is not uniform.  Some have dropped more than others and only 1 school, Fulton Science Academy (FSA), has shown year-over-year increases in all subjects.  This school is now the top performer in Fulton County and since 2004 their ITBS scores in 8th grade math have increased 20%. It is also a fact that our students ITBS scores drop in Math between 5th grade and 8th grade.   This unexplained drop is over 15 points.  So our children go from being in the 80th percentile nationally into the 60&#039;s.or lower.  

Our schools and the DOE need to face facts.  They are failing our kids at a time when knowledge is most needed to compete nationally and internationally.  They are failing all of our kids and in Fulton County that means 90,000 children. I mean all of our kids.  Not everyone needs or wants to go to college.  But every child needs to be able to read, write, and do basic math.  These are basic life skills our children must have to succeed at any job and in life.  We need to move beyond spin and wishful thinking, face the facts, and do what is right by our children and that is provide a good solid education for all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Ms. Downey,   When the state provides the data please ask for the data since 2004.  We have found that the school system tends to compare single year data so that they can show minimal increases as a sign of success. We prefer to look at multi-year trends and we do this not only by district or county but we do this by school.  Also ask that instead of providing the data in hard copy or pdf that they provide it in Excel or even better give you the database.  This will allow you and or anyone else the ability to do an analysis.  Unfortunately for parents we are only give the data in hard copy so that we have to then enter the data by grade and by school for all of the subjects to do the analysis,  This is labor intensive but it does allow us to get the facts.  </p>
<p> A fact in Fulton County is that on the ITBS scores while almost all schools have dropped in every area the decrease is not uniform.  Some have dropped more than others and only 1 school, Fulton Science Academy (FSA), has shown year-over-year increases in all subjects.  This school is now the top performer in Fulton County and since 2004 their ITBS scores in 8th grade math have increased 20%. It is also a fact that our students ITBS scores drop in Math between 5th grade and 8th grade.   This unexplained drop is over 15 points.  So our children go from being in the 80th percentile nationally into the 60&#8217;s.or lower.  </p>
<p>Our schools and the DOE need to face facts.  They are failing our kids at a time when knowledge is most needed to compete nationally and internationally.  They are failing all of our kids and in Fulton County that means 90,000 children. I mean all of our kids.  Not everyone needs or wants to go to college.  But every child needs to be able to read, write, and do basic math.  These are basic life skills our children must have to succeed at any job and in life.  We need to move beyond spin and wishful thinking, face the facts, and do what is right by our children and that is provide a good solid education for all.</p>
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		<title>By: ScienceTeacher671</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/10/29/doe-responds-to-naepcrct-score-gap/comment-page-1/#comment-16272</link>
		<dc:creator>ScienceTeacher671</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 01:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt isn&#039;t responsible for the policies; he just has to put the &quot;best face&quot; possible on those policies...a difficult and thankless job, I&#039;m sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt isn&#8217;t responsible for the policies; he just has to put the &#8220;best face&#8221; possible on those policies&#8230;a difficult and thankless job, I&#8217;m sure.</p>
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		<title>By: Maureen Downey</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/10/29/doe-responds-to-naepcrct-score-gap/comment-page-1/#comment-16267</link>
		<dc:creator>Maureen Downey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ScienceTeacher, I have asked Matt about ITBS scores and he did send me a response, but I don&#039;t fully understand it so I need to talk to him on Monday. I think he took your great &quot;spinning&quot; comment and some of the others made here with good humor as he still seems willing to respond. 
Maureen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ScienceTeacher, I have asked Matt about ITBS scores and he did send me a response, but I don&#8217;t fully understand it so I need to talk to him on Monday. I think he took your great &#8220;spinning&#8221; comment and some of the others made here with good humor as he still seems willing to respond.<br />
Maureen</p>
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		<title>By: ScienceTeacher671</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/10/29/doe-responds-to-naepcrct-score-gap/comment-page-1/#comment-16265</link>
		<dc:creator>ScienceTeacher671</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 22:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maureen, looks like you have some new questions to ask Matt....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maureen, looks like you have some new questions to ask Matt&#8230;.</p>
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