Comments on: The Bible belt: A stranglehold on schoolchildren? http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/10/15/the-bible-belt-a-stranglehold-on-schoolchildren/ Your source to discuss and learn about education in Atlanta, Georgia and the nation Fri, 10 Feb 2012 21:43:51 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Lester Ness http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/10/15/the-bible-belt-a-stranglehold-on-schoolchildren/comment-page-2/#comment-15794 Lester Ness Tue, 27 Oct 2009 04:36:56 +0000 http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/?p=2331#comment-15794 Catholic Bible or Protestant? Entire Bible or just New Testament? Catholic Bible or Protestant? Entire Bible or just New Testament?

]]> By: Chad http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/10/15/the-bible-belt-a-stranglehold-on-schoolchildren/comment-page-2/#comment-15565 Chad Fri, 23 Oct 2009 00:35:53 +0000 http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/?p=2331#comment-15565 Say it again Chuck... chuck allison October 22nd, 2009 10:43 am I sure wish unsaved Americans would quit trying to champion heathen foreign religions here in the USA. Christianity is not just an alternative religion; it is the worship of the one and only true and living God. Giving out the Word of God in our schools is very different from giving out the Koran, book of Mormon or any other pagan, heathen “holy book”. You can’t just invent your own religion. Jesus is the ONLY WAY! Sadly our citizens and this country are shunning him and we will continue to spiral downward until we wake up. For those of you who do not believe, I truly pray for you. So smart as a society today but how un-wise we have become. Say it again Chuck…

chuck allison

October 22nd, 2009
10:43 am
I sure wish unsaved Americans would quit trying to champion heathen foreign religions here in the USA.
Christianity is not just an alternative religion; it is the worship of the one and only true and living God. Giving out the Word of God in our schools is very different from giving out the Koran, book of Mormon or any other pagan, heathen “holy book”. You can’t just invent your own religion.

Jesus is the ONLY WAY! Sadly our citizens and this country are shunning him and we will continue to spiral downward until we wake up.

For those of you who do not believe, I truly pray for you.

So smart as a society today but how un-wise we have become.

]]> By: Moderate politically, but proud to follow God http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/10/15/the-bible-belt-a-stranglehold-on-schoolchildren/comment-page-2/#comment-15560 Moderate politically, but proud to follow God Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:00:01 +0000 http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/?p=2331#comment-15560 From a practical perspective, I do agree with the people who say that the principal did nothing legally wrong, but may have created a lot more work for herself. But for all the people who say they moved here from MA and this makes us look like a bunch of hicks, I say who cares. For all you people who think they are "enlightened" and believe in evolution alone without intelligent design, I will ask you if you think you are smarter than Albert Einstein. Not only was he extremely intelligent, but he was investing theories that determine how nature operates and eventually, how the world began. He believed that God was responsible for creation. Most of you aren't Smarter than a 5th Grader, must less than Albert Einstein. Finally, the Constitution did not declare a separation of Church and State. It was designed to keep the government out of Church, not necessarily Church out of the government. We made it from the beginning of our country until 1947 without any declaration of the separation of church and state. Then the Supreme Court, in Everson v. Board of Education, declared there had to be a wall of separation. It wasn't like this was a new idea that just came up that the Supreme Court needed to address. This was one of the founding ideals of our country. If there was supposed to be a wall of separation, and that was REALLY the intention of the founding fathers, don't you think it might have come up and been addressed in the first 160 years after the Constitution was written. The Bill of Rights were designed to apply only to the Federal Government. Notice the wording, "Congress shall make no law..." Note that ALL 50 states recognize God in their Constitutions. Granted for you former Massachusetts people, even back then, MA was as liberal as any; They put it as follows: "We…the people of Massachusetts, acknowledging with grateful hearts, the goodness of the Great Legislator of the Universe … in the course of His Providence, an opportunity .and devoutly imploring His direction." This country was based on a belief in God. The real idea was that the Government could not tell the Church what to do, not that the Church, through its individual members, couldn't tell the Government what it should do. And for those of you who still aren't convinced as to the original founding fathers' intentions, one simply needs to look at the official seal of the United States. On July 4, 1776 the Continental Congress set a committee to work to design a national seal. The task was not complete until the current design was approved by Congress on June 20, 1782. On the seal is the motto "Annuit Coeptis", or He, [God,] has favored our undertakings. And for Thomas Jefferson fans, he and Benjamin Franklin proposed a design representing Moses crossing the Red Sea, with Pharaoh in hot pursuit. It included the motto: 'Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God'. And just in case, if any of you don't want to keep your money because it says "In God We Trust", please feel free to send it this way... From a practical perspective, I do agree with the people who say that the principal did nothing legally wrong, but may have created a lot more work for herself.

But for all the people who say they moved here from MA and this makes us look like a bunch of hicks, I say who cares.

For all you people who think they are “enlightened” and believe in evolution alone without intelligent design, I will ask you if you think you are smarter than Albert Einstein. Not only was he extremely intelligent, but he was investing theories that determine how nature operates and eventually, how the world began. He believed that God was responsible for creation. Most of you aren’t Smarter than a 5th Grader, must less than Albert Einstein.

Finally, the Constitution did not declare a separation of Church and State. It was designed to keep the government out of Church, not necessarily Church out of the government. We made it from the beginning of our country until 1947 without any declaration of the separation of church and state. Then the Supreme Court, in Everson v. Board of Education, declared there had to be a wall of separation. It wasn’t like this was a new idea that just came up that the Supreme Court needed to address. This was one of the founding ideals of our country. If there was supposed to be a wall of separation, and that was REALLY the intention of the founding fathers, don’t you think it might have come up and been addressed in the first 160 years after the Constitution was written. The Bill of Rights were designed to apply only to the Federal Government. Notice the wording, “Congress shall make no law…” Note that ALL 50 states recognize God in their Constitutions. Granted for you former Massachusetts people, even back then, MA was as liberal as any; They put it as follows: “We…the people of Massachusetts, acknowledging with grateful hearts, the goodness of the Great Legislator of the Universe … in the course of His Providence, an opportunity .and devoutly imploring His direction.” This country was based on a belief in God. The real idea was that the Government could not tell the Church what to do, not that the Church, through its individual members, couldn’t tell the Government what it should do.

And for those of you who still aren’t convinced as to the original founding fathers’ intentions, one simply needs to look at the official seal of the United States. On July 4, 1776 the Continental Congress set a committee to work to design a national seal. The task was not complete until the current design was approved by Congress on June 20, 1782. On the seal is the motto “Annuit Coeptis”, or He, [God,] has favored our undertakings. And for Thomas Jefferson fans, he and Benjamin Franklin proposed a design representing Moses crossing the Red Sea, with Pharaoh in hot pursuit. It included the motto: ‘Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God’.

And just in case, if any of you don’t want to keep your money because it says “In God We Trust”, please feel free to send it this way…

]]> By: BravesFan79 http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/10/15/the-bible-belt-a-stranglehold-on-schoolchildren/comment-page-2/#comment-15559 BravesFan79 Thu, 22 Oct 2009 22:45:46 +0000 http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/?p=2331#comment-15559 Maybe if we had MORE christianity in schools, then our kids... and especially with kids raised in black culture... would have morals again and there wouldnt be 60+ school kids murdered every year in majority black cities like Chicago. Without a belief in something what stops these highschool kids from being future murderers? Especially when its brainwashed in their heads thru Radio stations that beating women, hustling selling drugs, and killing is cool. TI was 100% correct when he said: "Were not happy with ourselves because were piss poor morally" Maybe if we had MORE christianity in schools, then our kids… and especially with kids raised in black culture… would have morals again and there wouldnt be 60+ school kids murdered every year in majority black cities like Chicago.
Without a belief in something what stops these highschool kids from being future murderers? Especially when its brainwashed in their heads thru Radio stations that beating women, hustling selling drugs, and killing is cool.

TI was 100% correct when he said: “Were not happy with ourselves because were piss poor morally”

]]> By: Connie http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/10/15/the-bible-belt-a-stranglehold-on-schoolchildren/comment-page-2/#comment-15546 Connie Thu, 22 Oct 2009 21:28:46 +0000 http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/?p=2331#comment-15546 lly dig Jerry and Saintmark! lly dig Jerry and Saintmark!

]]> By: Brutus the Christian http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/10/15/the-bible-belt-a-stranglehold-on-schoolchildren/comment-page-2/#comment-15542 Brutus the Christian Thu, 22 Oct 2009 20:03:55 +0000 http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/?p=2331#comment-15542 People are tribal. People hate Christians. People hate people. It's just a book. The problem is that the book acknowledges that we are condemned without Christ and people hate that. It requires us do things we as people do not want to do. That is why the book causes so much reaction. The problem is people hate Christians because they are a symbol of that condemnation. People want a mostly valueless society with the exception of tolerance and recycling. Christians acknowledge that they are flawed and need Christ. If my kids were given Koran, I would not have a problem with it at all. I would tell them why I don't think it is true, but I would not sweat it one bit. I have a Koran in my house. It is not the word of God. It's just a book. It can't hurt me or my kids. People are tribal. People hate Christians. People hate people. It’s just a book. The problem is that the book acknowledges that we are condemned without Christ and people hate that. It requires us do things we as people do not want to do. That is why the book causes so much reaction. The problem is people hate Christians because they are a symbol of that condemnation. People want a mostly valueless society with the exception of tolerance and recycling. Christians acknowledge that they are flawed and need Christ. If my kids were given Koran, I would not have a problem with it at all. I would tell them why I don’t think it is true, but I would not sweat it one bit. I have a Koran in my house. It is not the word of God. It’s just a book. It can’t hurt me or my kids.

]]> By: Jenny http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/10/15/the-bible-belt-a-stranglehold-on-schoolchildren/comment-page-2/#comment-15540 Jenny Thu, 22 Oct 2009 19:46:21 +0000 http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/?p=2331#comment-15540 Well said Adam. Well said Adam.

]]> By: adam http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/10/15/the-bible-belt-a-stranglehold-on-schoolchildren/comment-page-2/#comment-15536 adam Thu, 22 Oct 2009 19:05:53 +0000 http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/?p=2331#comment-15536 The amount of venom being spewed here is nauseating. To think, as some have erroneously stated, that a Christians only justification for following Christ is because they are "...unhappy with the way you have chosen to live this one life have ‘created’ a second life scenario in which you afford yourselves a second chance to get it right," is, in itself, ignorant and prejudicial. From what I've seen, there is a lot of resentment toward the body of Christ that each individual has his or her own reasons for. My relationship with Christ is based solely on the undeniable experience I had when He came into my life. Am I perfect? Not by any stretch of the imagination, but I can't deny what he's done in my life and hopefully none of you will presume yourself so ignorant to make assumptions on what I personally experienced and know to be true in my life. My life is not based on a list of 'thou shalls' and 'thou shalt nots.' For those Christians who erroneously stated that morality cannot be achieved without religion, you need to read where the New Testament refers to Gentiles having a conscience apart from the Law and the Prophets. Man, in general does have a conscience. Whether it be a weak or strong moral code, we all have one. That being said, the one thing a strong moral code CANNOT do is get you into Heaven. Jesus said, without apology, and without nuance, that He and He alone is "the Way, the Truth, and the Life" and that "NO man (meaning mankind) comes to the Father except through Him." Whether you choose to accept that or not will ultimately determine your final destination. That does not give anyone the right to look down their nose at another due to their spiritual state, but indeed leaves a mandate from our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ (if you are a believer) to seek and save the lost. Winning arguments does not equate to winning souls, nor does it absolve the opposing point of view from impending judgment in that final day. Christ has come that we may have life and life more abundantly. Never let anyone scam you that His purpose was anything else. He wasn't selling anything, He came to give. He loves each of us dearly, to the point of laying down His life for those who would deny Him, spit upon Him, curse Him, and ultimately reject Him. I honestly would love to see everyone and anyone that has denied Him in this blog come to know the love and the grace of Jesus Christ. Yes, there is the promise of eternal life, but there is also inexplicable peace that goes beyond understanding and joy unspeakable that comes in this life. Rather than sit from a lofty place and cast insults like 'backwards' and 'pathetic' or 'uneducated', earnestly seek Him and He will revolutionize your world view. The amount of venom being spewed here is nauseating. To think, as some have erroneously stated, that a Christians only justification for following Christ is because they are “…unhappy with the way you have chosen to live this one life have ‘created’ a second life scenario in which you afford yourselves a second chance to get it right,” is, in itself, ignorant and prejudicial. From what I’ve seen, there is a lot of resentment toward the body of Christ that each individual has his or her own reasons for. My relationship with Christ is based solely on the undeniable experience I had when He came into my life. Am I perfect? Not by any stretch of the imagination, but I can’t deny what he’s done in my life and hopefully none of you will presume yourself so ignorant to make assumptions on what I personally experienced and know to be true in my life. My life is not based on a list of ‘thou shalls’ and ‘thou shalt nots.’ For those Christians who erroneously stated that morality cannot be achieved without religion, you need to read where the New Testament refers to Gentiles having a conscience apart from the Law and the Prophets. Man, in general does have a conscience. Whether it be a weak or strong moral code, we all have one. That being said, the one thing a strong moral code CANNOT do is get you into Heaven. Jesus said, without apology, and without nuance, that He and He alone is “the Way, the Truth, and the Life” and that “NO man (meaning mankind) comes to the Father except through Him.” Whether you choose to accept that or not will ultimately determine your final destination. That does not give anyone the right to look down their nose at another due to their spiritual state, but indeed leaves a mandate from our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ (if you are a believer) to seek and save the lost. Winning arguments does not equate to winning souls, nor does it absolve the opposing point of view from impending judgment in that final day. Christ has come that we may have life and life more abundantly. Never let anyone scam you that His purpose was anything else. He wasn’t selling anything, He came to give. He loves each of us dearly, to the point of laying down His life for those who would deny Him, spit upon Him, curse Him, and ultimately reject Him. I honestly would love to see everyone and anyone that has denied Him in this blog come to know the love and the grace of Jesus Christ. Yes, there is the promise of eternal life, but there is also inexplicable peace that goes beyond understanding and joy unspeakable that comes in this life. Rather than sit from a lofty place and cast insults like ‘backwards’ and ‘pathetic’ or ‘uneducated’, earnestly seek Him and He will revolutionize your world view.

]]> By: South Georgia girl http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/10/15/the-bible-belt-a-stranglehold-on-schoolchildren/comment-page-2/#comment-15523 South Georgia girl Thu, 22 Oct 2009 16:29:44 +0000 http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/?p=2331#comment-15523 From reading these comments, I am guessing that most of you didn't spend your life in Georgia. The Gideons have been giving out Bibles here since before I was in elementary school (which was in the 70's). This was back when everyone in the U.S.A. knew what a Bible was (even if they didn't own one) and before everyone knew what a Koran was. The Gideons are one of the few orgnanizations that put every dime they receive in donations into their charity. They are composed of business men that pay for their travel expenses with their own money. They also place Bibles in hotel rooms, hospitals, and jails. Every kid in the 5th grade received a Gideon New Testament Bible. I am really surprised (but happy to hear) that schools still allow this practice. I don't know why this is such a big deal, especially if it is optional for the child to take the Bible. From reading these comments, I am guessing that most of you didn’t spend your life in Georgia. The Gideons have been giving out Bibles here since before I was in elementary school (which was in the 70’s). This was back when everyone in the U.S.A. knew what a Bible was (even if they didn’t own one) and before everyone knew what a Koran was. The Gideons are one of the few orgnanizations that put every dime they receive in donations into their charity. They are composed of business men that pay for their travel expenses with their own money. They also place Bibles in hotel rooms, hospitals, and jails. Every kid in the 5th grade received a Gideon New Testament Bible. I am really surprised (but happy to hear) that schools still allow this practice. I don’t know why this is such a big deal, especially if it is optional for the child to take the Bible.

]]> By: Brett Passmore http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/10/15/the-bible-belt-a-stranglehold-on-schoolchildren/comment-page-2/#comment-15522 Brett Passmore Thu, 22 Oct 2009 16:28:07 +0000 http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/?p=2331#comment-15522 Sounds like the school did nothing wrong to me. One parent out of 1000? greater good was done by allowing the kids access to material that has proven to help others again and again. Sounds like the school did nothing wrong to me.
One parent out of 1000?

greater good was done by allowing the kids access to material that has proven to help others again and again.

]]>