<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: School of hard shocks: Do all kids need college today?</title>
	<atom:link href="http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/09/21/school-of-hard-shocks-do-all-kids-need-college-today/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/09/21/school-of-hard-shocks-do-all-kids-need-college-today/</link>
	<description>Your source to discuss and learn about education in Atlanta, Georgia and the nation</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 22:50:39 -0500</lastBuildDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4</generator>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
		<item>
		<title>By: jim d</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/09/21/school-of-hard-shocks-do-all-kids-need-college-today/comment-page-1/#comment-11944</link>
		<dc:creator>jim d</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 18:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/?p=1728#comment-11944</guid>
		<description>Luther,

I fear you have confused me with someone else. I earned my degrees at the school of hard knocks over the past 40 + years.

As for my dogs? well there&#039;s Smokie in the SEC and the General in the SOCON</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luther,</p>
<p>I fear you have confused me with someone else. I earned my degrees at the school of hard knocks over the past 40 + years.</p>
<p>As for my dogs? well there&#8217;s Smokie in the SEC and the General in the SOCON</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Sarge</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/09/21/school-of-hard-shocks-do-all-kids-need-college-today/comment-page-1/#comment-11928</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/?p=1728#comment-11928</guid>
		<description>Responding to Lee&#039;s observation on the gaining of advanced degrees, in the public education system, for the purpose of achieving additional income...first and foremost, one should never aspire to the academic life, leading to degrees of any flavor, for the sole purpose of &quot;more money&quot; in the work place. Fortunately or not...for good or for not-good, the education field seems to be the exception. During my short foray into that arena, I observed many fine educators, both with minimum academic credentials, and many with more letters following their nom de guerres than one is apt to find in alphabet soup! However, it also became quite apparent that more than a few of these educators, with months and months &quot;on the platform&quot; were, nonetheless, in positions of great responsibility (and presumably great incomes) due, in no small part, to their advanced academic standing. As in the Chevy Chase movie &quot;Spies Like Us&quot;, everyones&#039; first name becomes &quot;Doctor&quot;.

Advanced degrees, beyond the Bachelors level, are fine as long as there is a balance between practical experience and academic achievement. According to news reports, it would appear that many recent graduates, rather than face the currently-dismal employment picture, are opting to remain in the world of academe for the purpose of gaining advanced credentialing. I don&#039;t know if this is a good idea or not for the following reasons: 1) ROI (Return on Investment)...can the graduate reasonably expect to &quot;make that much more money&quot;, or other forms of &quot;psycic income&quot;? 2) With a prospective employee being &quot;top-heavy&quot; in schooling and with no practical experience, the would-be employer would probably view the candidate as either &quot;overqualed&quot; (too many letters) or, with no hands-on knowledge, &quot;unqualed&quot;.

Are there any &quot;ideal&quot; scenarios? In the end, it&#039;s all one big guessing game...what works under one set of circumstances may be disastrous otherwise. To the recent grads of trade schools and universities everywhere, I can only say &quot;Good Luck and Godspeed&quot;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Responding to Lee&#8217;s observation on the gaining of advanced degrees, in the public education system, for the purpose of achieving additional income&#8230;first and foremost, one should never aspire to the academic life, leading to degrees of any flavor, for the sole purpose of &#8220;more money&#8221; in the work place. Fortunately or not&#8230;for good or for not-good, the education field seems to be the exception. During my short foray into that arena, I observed many fine educators, both with minimum academic credentials, and many with more letters following their nom de guerres than one is apt to find in alphabet soup! However, it also became quite apparent that more than a few of these educators, with months and months &#8220;on the platform&#8221; were, nonetheless, in positions of great responsibility (and presumably great incomes) due, in no small part, to their advanced academic standing. As in the Chevy Chase movie &#8220;Spies Like Us&#8221;, everyones&#8217; first name becomes &#8220;Doctor&#8221;.</p>
<p>Advanced degrees, beyond the Bachelors level, are fine as long as there is a balance between practical experience and academic achievement. According to news reports, it would appear that many recent graduates, rather than face the currently-dismal employment picture, are opting to remain in the world of academe for the purpose of gaining advanced credentialing. I don&#8217;t know if this is a good idea or not for the following reasons: 1) ROI (Return on Investment)&#8230;can the graduate reasonably expect to &#8220;make that much more money&#8221;, or other forms of &#8220;psycic income&#8221;? 2) With a prospective employee being &#8220;top-heavy&#8221; in schooling and with no practical experience, the would-be employer would probably view the candidate as either &#8220;overqualed&#8221; (too many letters) or, with no hands-on knowledge, &#8220;unqualed&#8221;.</p>
<p>Are there any &#8220;ideal&#8221; scenarios? In the end, it&#8217;s all one big guessing game&#8230;what works under one set of circumstances may be disastrous otherwise. To the recent grads of trade schools and universities everywhere, I can only say &#8220;Good Luck and Godspeed&#8221;!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: LutherV</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/09/21/school-of-hard-shocks-do-all-kids-need-college-today/comment-page-1/#comment-11927</link>
		<dc:creator>LutherV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 13:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/?p=1728#comment-11927</guid>
		<description>Jim D, you told us last year that you earned your B. S. and M. S. degrees from UGA.  Now you are telling Maureen that your &quot;blood runs orange&quot;?!  So, you have forsaken your Dogs, your alma mater, to pull for Lane Kiffen?!  I am very disappointed in you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim D, you told us last year that you earned your B. S. and M. S. degrees from UGA.  Now you are telling Maureen that your &#8220;blood runs orange&#8221;?!  So, you have forsaken your Dogs, your alma mater, to pull for Lane Kiffen?!  I am very disappointed in you.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Magenta</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/09/21/school-of-hard-shocks-do-all-kids-need-college-today/comment-page-1/#comment-11924</link>
		<dc:creator>Magenta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/?p=1728#comment-11924</guid>
		<description>Instead of &quot;degrees,&quot; we should be talking about &quot;credentials.&quot;  Plenty of people walk away with a Bachelor of Arts and no job prospects, while others can earn a certificate in auto repair or massage and make a decent living.  We also need a better way for EVERYONE to balance education with work.  Right now it&#039;s just too easy to leave school to join the work force, but try leaving work to return full-time to school.  It&#039;s like climbing Mt. Everest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Instead of &#8220;degrees,&#8221; we should be talking about &#8220;credentials.&#8221;  Plenty of people walk away with a Bachelor of Arts and no job prospects, while others can earn a certificate in auto repair or massage and make a decent living.  We also need a better way for EVERYONE to balance education with work.  Right now it&#8217;s just too easy to leave school to join the work force, but try leaving work to return full-time to school.  It&#8217;s like climbing Mt. Everest.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: whatever</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/09/21/school-of-hard-shocks-do-all-kids-need-college-today/comment-page-1/#comment-11919</link>
		<dc:creator>whatever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 03:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/?p=1728#comment-11919</guid>
		<description>Enter your comments here
 A college education is no guarantee that a person will have a job when they graduated. My daughter graduated from college with a Liberal Arts Degree. That and a couple of bucks will get her a cup of coffee. She is now works as an A.V. tech for a company that does conventions and lighting and sound for big events such as fairs and major performances. She makes big bucks but has to travel all the time.  Her husband graduated from college then finished law school in the top 10% of his class at Ohio State. But because of the field of law he chose to pursue (He wants to work as a prosecutor) he is unable to find work.  So not all people should or should be required to get a college degree to get a well paying job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enter your comments here<br />
 A college education is no guarantee that a person will have a job when they graduated. My daughter graduated from college with a Liberal Arts Degree. That and a couple of bucks will get her a cup of coffee. She is now works as an A.V. tech for a company that does conventions and lighting and sound for big events such as fairs and major performances. She makes big bucks but has to travel all the time.  Her husband graduated from college then finished law school in the top 10% of his class at Ohio State. But because of the field of law he chose to pursue (He wants to work as a prosecutor) he is unable to find work.  So not all people should or should be required to get a college degree to get a well paying job.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Gwinnett Parent</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/09/21/school-of-hard-shocks-do-all-kids-need-college-today/comment-page-1/#comment-11914</link>
		<dc:creator>Gwinnett Parent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 00:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/?p=1728#comment-11914</guid>
		<description>A college degreed workforce will not make us more competitive globally, as Obama suggests.  Highly skilled Engineering and Finance jobs are moving overseas along with the unskilled positions.  

A degree alone does not prepare someone for success or job security.  To make it in the future a person needs to get rid of the &quot;employee&quot; mindset and think like a business owner.  This means acquiring skills that can be offered as an independent contractor as well as an employee. As the saying goes, &quot;If you can&#039;t find a job, make one&quot;. Also, a degree is useless unless you have passion,  experience and creativity.  Academics will only get you so far.  Math was not my strong point in college and I earned more than my classmates with technical degrees(Engineering &amp; Computer Science).  I jumped into sales after college and currently own a business. Neither one of these professions require a degree.  There are a lot of plumbers and auto mechanics that earn more than a lot of advanced degreed professionals.  My degree in Marketing and minor in Spanish helped on a small scale.  It was not a total waste of time.  However, the real education and skill building began after college.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A college degreed workforce will not make us more competitive globally, as Obama suggests.  Highly skilled Engineering and Finance jobs are moving overseas along with the unskilled positions.  </p>
<p>A degree alone does not prepare someone for success or job security.  To make it in the future a person needs to get rid of the &#8220;employee&#8221; mindset and think like a business owner.  This means acquiring skills that can be offered as an independent contractor as well as an employee. As the saying goes, &#8220;If you can&#8217;t find a job, make one&#8221;. Also, a degree is useless unless you have passion,  experience and creativity.  Academics will only get you so far.  Math was not my strong point in college and I earned more than my classmates with technical degrees(Engineering &amp; Computer Science).  I jumped into sales after college and currently own a business. Neither one of these professions require a degree.  There are a lot of plumbers and auto mechanics that earn more than a lot of advanced degreed professionals.  My degree in Marketing and minor in Spanish helped on a small scale.  It was not a total waste of time.  However, the real education and skill building began after college.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Maureen's accountability metric</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/09/21/school-of-hard-shocks-do-all-kids-need-college-today/comment-page-1/#comment-11912</link>
		<dc:creator>Maureen's accountability metric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 23:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/?p=1728#comment-11912</guid>
		<description>So the outcry from the blogsphere and other places reached such a critical mass that Andre Jackson finally had to address the CRCT cheating scandal.

So what&#039;s the first thing Andre Jackson, representing the editorial conscious of the AJC, wants to make sure the readers do?

He wants us to make sure that APS higher ups, whose actions haven&#039;t been defended by a single educational or political leader in this state gets &quot;credit&quot;?

&quot;Credit&quot; Andre?

The AFLAC duck just did a double take; then soiled himself.

APS after stonewalling to the point that even the governor and state DOE officials felt they had to intervene, does the least possible thing it can do to claim it did something, by finally placing an assistant principal on leave, and Andre Jackson, above all else, wants to make sure we give APS &quot;credit&quot;?

And this is the same paper that prides itself on being a &quot;watchdog&quot;?

Sure, Jackson followed with some words that, while in no way could they be described as hard hitting, were at least mildly critical, but by that point his intentions were so transparent,  one could make the case he should be forced by truth in advertising laws to legally change his name to Saran Wrap.

What&#039;s next for Jackson, an editorial demanding we give Bernie Madoff &quot;credit&quot; for his charity work?

Maureen, we haven&#039;t forgotten that you promised us a column on the CRCT scandal as well.
We can only hope that you can summon your inner watchdog and go where, for whatever reason, Andre and the editorial board dare not tread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the outcry from the blogsphere and other places reached such a critical mass that Andre Jackson finally had to address the CRCT cheating scandal.</p>
<p>So what&#8217;s the first thing Andre Jackson, representing the editorial conscious of the AJC, wants to make sure the readers do?</p>
<p>He wants us to make sure that APS higher ups, whose actions haven&#8217;t been defended by a single educational or political leader in this state gets &#8220;credit&#8221;?</p>
<p>&#8220;Credit&#8221; Andre?</p>
<p>The AFLAC duck just did a double take; then soiled himself.</p>
<p>APS after stonewalling to the point that even the governor and state DOE officials felt they had to intervene, does the least possible thing it can do to claim it did something, by finally placing an assistant principal on leave, and Andre Jackson, above all else, wants to make sure we give APS &#8220;credit&#8221;?</p>
<p>And this is the same paper that prides itself on being a &#8220;watchdog&#8221;?</p>
<p>Sure, Jackson followed with some words that, while in no way could they be described as hard hitting, were at least mildly critical, but by that point his intentions were so transparent,  one could make the case he should be forced by truth in advertising laws to legally change his name to Saran Wrap.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s next for Jackson, an editorial demanding we give Bernie Madoff &#8220;credit&#8221; for his charity work?</p>
<p>Maureen, we haven&#8217;t forgotten that you promised us a column on the CRCT scandal as well.<br />
We can only hope that you can summon your inner watchdog and go where, for whatever reason, Andre and the editorial board dare not tread.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/09/21/school-of-hard-shocks-do-all-kids-need-college-today/comment-page-1/#comment-11911</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 22:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/?p=1728#comment-11911</guid>
		<description>It&#039;s been my observation that those in academia place an inordinate amount of emphasis on the attainment of degrees.  The current salary structure only serves to reinforce this attitude by rewarding those who obtain more and more degrees.

In public schools, you want more money, go back to college and get your (Masters, Specialist, Phd).

As a result, it is no surprise that those in the education field would emphasize the college prep track.

Unfortunately, many students, myself included, tend to wander aimlessly until our career path is thrust upon us.  I envy those students who &quot;know&quot; what they want to do at the ripe old age of eighteen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s been my observation that those in academia place an inordinate amount of emphasis on the attainment of degrees.  The current salary structure only serves to reinforce this attitude by rewarding those who obtain more and more degrees.</p>
<p>In public schools, you want more money, go back to college and get your (Masters, Specialist, Phd).</p>
<p>As a result, it is no surprise that those in the education field would emphasize the college prep track.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, many students, myself included, tend to wander aimlessly until our career path is thrust upon us.  I envy those students who &#8220;know&#8221; what they want to do at the ripe old age of eighteen.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: catlady</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/09/21/school-of-hard-shocks-do-all-kids-need-college-today/comment-page-1/#comment-11910</link>
		<dc:creator>catlady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 22:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/?p=1728#comment-11910</guid>
		<description>Maureen--avoid simplistic tabulations to infer causation.

I think we should do more to help students determine fields of interest in high school.  Too many students &quot;pick&quot; a career because it sounds good, without having the slightest idea what it entails to be prepared or what the career actually DOES.

I think our vocation education departments in Georgia high schools should be strengthened and we should do far more to ease the transition into GOOD vocational colleges (unlike so many we have now with the same, 1970s, worn out curriculum).  Articulation is the word I am looking for.

I think we should quit dumbing down our requirements and expectations. And we should put a lot more money into educating the gifted and advanced students, and get them out of lump lump classes filled with dumb, unmotivated, disruptive students.

The world is a pretty unforgiving place, but we seem to think everyone deserves one more chance, over and over and over again ad naseum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maureen&#8211;avoid simplistic tabulations to infer causation.</p>
<p>I think we should do more to help students determine fields of interest in high school.  Too many students &#8220;pick&#8221; a career because it sounds good, without having the slightest idea what it entails to be prepared or what the career actually DOES.</p>
<p>I think our vocation education departments in Georgia high schools should be strengthened and we should do far more to ease the transition into GOOD vocational colleges (unlike so many we have now with the same, 1970s, worn out curriculum).  Articulation is the word I am looking for.</p>
<p>I think we should quit dumbing down our requirements and expectations. And we should put a lot more money into educating the gifted and advanced students, and get them out of lump lump classes filled with dumb, unmotivated, disruptive students.</p>
<p>The world is a pretty unforgiving place, but we seem to think everyone deserves one more chance, over and over and over again ad naseum.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Ernest</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/09/21/school-of-hard-shocks-do-all-kids-need-college-today/comment-page-1/#comment-11908</link>
		<dc:creator>Ernest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 20:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/?p=1728#comment-11908</guid>
		<description>That Filter Monster must either be extremely hungry for my posts as it has eaten another one?  Not sure what it does not like...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That Filter Monster must either be extremely hungry for my posts as it has eaten another one?  Not sure what it does not like&#8230;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
