Porn & pizza for middle and high school students — at church, no less

You learn something new every day reading the paper.  I just learned about Porn Talk.

We have a news story on Porn Talk, a church-based movement to educate parents and children about the dangers or pornography in the Internet age.  There is a program this weekend and 1,500 people are expected at Victory World Church in Norcross  for the three-day dialogue about porn’s effects on families, marriages and children.

Speaker are conducting sessions tailored to specific groups: Porn & Pastries (women), Porn & Pancakes (men), Porn & Parents (parents) and Porn & Pizza (middle and high school students).

Among the facts in the story: “Statistics show that the average child first views pornography at age 11, that 40 million U.S. adults regularly visit pornographic Web sites, and that 47 percent of families say pornography is a problem in their home.

Those of you who either have middler schoolers or teach middle school can educate the rest of us: Are kids as young as 11 turning in to porn beyond the quick sneak peeks on the Internet? I never saw too much of this with my older two, both of whom are out of high school. And my little ones haven’t found their way to anything untoward yet.

I also just received an e-mail about next week’s 2009 National Week of Action to promote comprehensive sex education in schools.  Perhaps, we can discuss next week.

37 comments Add your comment

Marcus Graham

September 18th, 2009
8:20 pm

Whatever….leave it some non-denominational church to set up something like this crap!

concerned

September 18th, 2009
8:24 pm

Good move getting the message out about this filth. I beleive with every fiber of my being this stuff is whats causeing all these pedophiles and rapist to commit these crimes. Its so much worse now with the internet available. I’ve had problems with my son getting on these sites. And I had a big virus problem a few days after I found he was on the sites. The computor tech warned me about the virus that come from these things. I’ve had to put a logon security code on my computor so no-one can log-on without me being there.Thank you Victory World Church for addressing this terrible problem.

Big Drew

September 18th, 2009
8:32 pm

Marcus how is your church dealing with these issues ?

oldtimer

September 18th, 2009
9:16 pm

Live and learn. I actually think many of today’s youth are hypersexed because of overexposure; tv, dating parents, our culture…I do not know why. I have had middle schoolers telling me they feel “weird” because they have not had sex. And, I have seen girls dressed like sluts because their moms think they look “cute”. Glad my girls are raised!!

V for Vendetta

September 18th, 2009
10:08 pm

Concerned,

You’re absolutely right. It MUST be all of that porn that causes rapists and pedophiles. Or maybe it’s just God that causes them. I mean, he causes everything else, right?

Religious people really need a hobby.

Jessica

September 18th, 2009
10:52 pm

I wish the need for this kind of discussion did not exist. Unfortunately, pornography addiction is real and it can ruin lives and wreck relationships. I don’t really know much about the church that is hosting this event, but I hope they are able to persuade some kids to make better decisions.

concerned

September 18th, 2009
11:15 pm

V for Vendetta, just so you know I haven’t been in a church in 5 years. Have you ever watched the show on MSNBC. They set a sting in a house for nut cases who correspond with what they think is 13 and 14 year olds to meet them and have sex with these kids. After the interview with the msnbc commentator the pervert leaves and is arrested outside the home. These nuts send pictures of their privates over the internet to what they think are young kids.The show in called “Predator Raw”. Watch it sometime you may learn something. Its usely on late night on weekends. For you to assume I’m some kind of religious fanatic is very naive. I’m NOT saying everyone who looks at that crap is a pedophile, but there is much more of that type of crime now a days. If you enjoy looking at it? knock yourself out with it.Its just to available for young kids and sex nuts with computors. Have a great day!

Hope

September 18th, 2009
11:25 pm

This is not about RELIGION, it is about generational SELF ESTEEM, PRIVACY, DEPRESSION, VIOLENCE, SCHOOL MURDERING….but Vendetta doesn’t care or Marcus thinking the church sets up this…REMEMBER THAT WE ALL ARE HELPERS…(we help to benefit or we help to worsen things) What kind are you?

V for Vendetta

September 18th, 2009
11:31 pm

I think making the leap from citizen to pedophile requires more than just internet porn. There are many deep-seeded psychological issues at work in such a person. Though the internet might provide them the means, it is certainly NOT what makes them disturbed. (I have seen the show, by the way. It is quite unsettling.)

I do, however, apologize for not separating my post. I should have broken the post apart after the first sentence. I did not mean to imply that YOU are a religious fanatic; I was simply responding to the silliness of the subject matter in the article regarding Victory World Church.

LDB

September 18th, 2009
11:32 pm

God does not “make” anybody to do anything. People have free will and that is where sin comes in. God wants us to live for him, but he is not into forcing people to do so.

Parent

September 19th, 2009
9:07 am

Keeping our kids save from the internet is an important issue, but don’t like the way Victory World Church words the issue “Pancakes and Porn, Pizza and Porn”. Are they trying to be funny with an issue thats just not funny?

also parent

September 19th, 2009
9:19 am

just an FYI about the wording of the “Pancakes and Porn” and “Pizza and Porn” etc. These are the names that XXXchurch gives to their seminars because they -for example – serve pancakes at the men’s pancake breakfast while discussing the issue of pornography. Just wanted to clarify. For further clarification, visit their website at http://www.xxxchurch.com

Jo'n

September 19th, 2009
9:53 am

How come my wife of three years and I, who have watched porn regularly since we were both in our early teens, haven’t gone out and raped children yet? Porn isn’t the problem, sex isn’t the problem, its stupidity that’s the problem. Hell, I’ve even seen what some would consider ‘violent’ or ‘extreme’ porn with my wife and we never beat each other or abduct the neighborhood kids. And our relationship is as solid as it was when we first met. Don’t blame the porn, blame your lack of self-control and obscenely low IQ.

Rosie

September 19th, 2009
10:37 am

What happened to the “Get Schooled” blog? Let’s talk about school. I’m very disinterested in these posts unrelated to what is going on at SCHOOL.

Tony

September 19th, 2009
11:18 am

This topic is very relevant to what’s going on in schools. One of the newest discipline issues in middle schools is “sexting”. Kids are sending text messages laced with graphic sexual terms. They are taking pictures of themselves partially and fully nude and sending them to friends. These friends, in turn, send the photos on to other friends. All these kids are under age and completely unaware they are doing anything wrong.

Without honest talk about issues like this, our kids will become easy victims. Parents, teachers and communities should be very concerned about helping children develop better values.

Emily's mom

September 19th, 2009
11:20 am

I don’t know where your children go to SCHOOL, but sex education is taught at our school. And kids are going to inappropriate websites. I commend this church for bringing it out to the open. I am glad we are talking about it today. This is a school issue that too many parents want to pretend is happening somewhere else.

Maureen's accountability metric

September 19th, 2009
2:06 pm

Congratulations to AJC editorial writer Andre Jackson for his dual honor of entering both the Apologists Hall of Fame and the Sycophants Hall of Fame on the same day.

CDawson

September 19th, 2009
2:46 pm

If we in the church keep our head in the sand and act like marriages, children and families are not being destroyed by this then we are seriously sad! I applaud Victory World Church and it’s Pastoral staff for bravely dealing with an issue that is hurting so many! I have personally seen the affects of porn in a friends life, a coworkers life and in the life of a teen! One person is awaiting a jail sentence, having lost his career, family and LIFE!!!!! It is out there people BEWARE!

srfnlife

September 19th, 2009
3:03 pm

It’s no wonder families and teens are facing these kind of issues. People are so quick to judge Victory World Church, but what are you who judge doing to help? Way to go VWC Pastors for your courage and boldness to show the way to true freedom!

Someone whose been to the event

September 19th, 2009
3:07 pm

Enter your comments here I’m always amazed at people who have all these opinions about something they haven’t actually seen or really know about. If you really want to see what this is all about go to Victoryatl.com and watch it. It will be online by Monday. The facts are that pornography is destroying the lives of thousands of families and children. Just listen to a former porn producer at this event and you will hear from someone who has lived in this industry and can tell you of the devastation he has seen with the very girls he has engaged in his business. For those who have children I don’t think anyone really thinks they would want to watch their own son or daughter on line in a pornographic scene. For the couple who says they watch porn together and it doesn’t harm them, talk to me in about 10 years and see if you still feel the same way. All pornography does is strip the value of how we view humanity ( especially women) and lower our sexual identity to nothing more than fulfilling our own selfishness. Whether you believe in God or not, can you really believe that pornography is really helpful to society?

Big Drew

September 19th, 2009
3:31 pm

IAMHIS

September 19th, 2009
3:42 pm

It saddens me to see the attack of the enemy on our nation today. We as a nation have turned our back on God just as the Isralites did in the New Testament. Porn is nothing new, it is just presented to us today through so many different medias that were not available then (TV, movies, internet, magazines, books, etc.). It can destory lives, marriages, homes, relationships, families and so much more. It is sad to see that a married couple would feel the need to resort to porn in their marriage. The marriage bed is sacred and should not be shared with anyone else. Whether you are married and having an affair, allowing others to share your marriage bed or watching, reading or looking at porn you are inviting somone else into your marriage and this is so wrong. I would have to ask myself why this was essential in my marriage. And to think that your marriage is strong with such perversion as a part of it is a lie. A strong marriage is between a man and a woman and only involves the two. To invite others into your marriage, through whatever means, is only asking for trouble and devastation. I appreciate a church stepping up to the plate on such an important issue and facing it head on. We need more churches willing to take a stand and not concern themselves with just tickling the ears of the people being afraid to offend. If what we are doing in our lives does not reflect God then we need to get offended and come to repentance or salvation for the first time, which ever is the case.

My accolades to Victory World Church for stepping up and actually being the Church! It is obvious that you care about people of all ages and are giving the tools needed to bring awareness and education on such an important issue. Education is the responsibility of the church and I appreciate seeing Victory World Church doing their part.

V for Vendetta

September 19th, 2009
4:10 pm

srfnlife,

I like how you tell us not to judge VWC, but IAMHIS feels compelled to judge J’on.

I thank both of you for providing examples of the vapid morality inherent in religion.

LDB,

I live for no one but myself. That is free will.

“I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.” –John Galt, Atlas Shrugged

JackP

September 20th, 2009
12:39 am

Porn & Pizza. Whose bringing the Bud?

Sarge

September 20th, 2009
4:01 am

When are they going to reintroduce the mysteries of reedin, ritin an rithmitik?

BlondeHoney

September 20th, 2009
8:14 am

@V for Vendetta, I don’t always agree with you on everything but on this topic I support you; you are 100% correct.

concerned citizen

September 20th, 2009
11:56 am

V for Vendetta, you and others may “think making the leap from citizen to pedophile requires more than just internet porn.” However, the law states otherwise. In January of 09, in Pennylvania 3 14-15 year old girls sent nude and semi-nude photos of themselves to 3 16-17 year old boys, as a result they were all charged with child pornography. A felony that will follow them for the rest of their lives. It is projected that 20% of teens today are “sexting”.

I applaud the Victory Church for addressing a very real issue impacting our communities.

The Sarge

September 20th, 2009
1:15 pm

Sometimes, one’s gotta shake one’s head in wonderment and marvel at the thought processes of our local leadership. In reading a recent article on a particular elementary school, south of Marietta, and one mile/within earshot of a law enforcement shooting range, the Ole Sarge has only one reaction: YGBSM (You Gotta Be ___ ___)! Now what came first, the horse or the cart? It really doesn’t matter one iotta, does it, local zoning leadership? Who in their right minds (I’m probably assuming too much right there) would allow these two facilities to exist in such proximity? To wit, who, in their right minds, would allow this situation to continue? My immediate concerns would be 1)the direction of fire relative to the school, AND 2) exactly what lies in line down range? My long term concern…when are the people of Cobb, Marietta, and the State of Georgia to expect leadership that hasn’t completely lost their collective mind?

V for Vendetta

September 20th, 2009
1:37 pm

Concerned Citizen,

The problem you reference is rooted in the asinine logic of our currently worthless legal system, not in the morality of the kids involved. The morality issue itself can be dealt with on a rational level. One need not seek mystic counsel to find solutions to the problems of reality.

Shannon, M.Div.

September 20th, 2009
5:30 pm

I remember reading a social science study from a few years ago in which lower-income students (middle-high school ages) were given computers with Internet access at home, and then their use of the computers was tracked (but not prescribed). One finding struck me.

At *first*, the students did what you would expect male students to do: look up nekkid pictures. But the more familiarity they gained with the Internet, the less time they spent on those pictures and the more time they spent looking up other things.

I keep hearing from people that porn is this terrible problem… I think that’s true–for a minority of people who view it, just as alcoholism is a problem for a minority of people who drink. Some question whether alcohol can ever have a positive or even neutral impact… others ask the same question about porn.

Marklar

September 21st, 2009
8:56 am

Again the influence of Religious Lies. Please please please read the scientific data on Pornography. Federal Studies since the 1960 state that pornography causes NO harm. These groups are using lies and strong arm tactics to chip away at religious freedom and true morality in these United States.

Don’t believe what you are being told. Please “Think for yourself!”

DB

September 21st, 2009
9:46 am

For people with an addictive personality, porn is just as much of a burden, both financially and psychologically, as alcohol, cigarettes, food or drugs. For these people, watching porn stimulates the pleasure centers of the brain, which begins to crave additional stimulation — literally, an addiction. And, for some, a very powerful addiction — it is relatively easy to give up something that is not pleasurable, but it is like tearing off your own fingernails to give up something that gives you pleasure.

For these people, more and more time is spent viewing porn, and it may start absorbing greater and greater portions of money. The time and money spent on porn can certainly have a negative influence on relationships, especially if relationships are already strained and finances are tight.

micheal

September 21st, 2009
12:43 pm

damn, and i thought they meant they were watching porn!

Justin

September 21st, 2009
5:23 pm

I think this is very good, and I wish it had been around for me. I have been helplessley addicted to pornography since 5th grade, and it has truly ruined my life up to this point. My whole-hearted support goes the folks at this church and hopefully they can reach a few of the kids in attendance!

john

September 21st, 2009
11:25 pm

The real problem are the freak-out fundies that have such an antiquated and narrow view of human sexuality, mixed in with a good dose of religion induced guilt.

Spy Parent

September 22nd, 2009
4:09 pm

This porn situatuion is out of control with teens. They are now hiding porn on their video games.I offer free seminars to churchs regarding porn and handheld devices (e.g. cell phones, ipod, video games, etc). Call me at (678) 749-2269 or visit my website http://www.spyparent.net and facebook page: spy parent, llc.

Travis (australia)

November 5th, 2009
7:36 am

You can tell this is an american site…all this bloody christian nonsense. the reason children and teenagers turn to porn is because parents are not taking responsibilty for the sex talks….parents avoid sex and treat it as dirty when in the end…every person/crfeature on earth does it…..maybe instead of blabbing about god you should go talk to your children for yourself.
As for porn wrecking homes, that is complete bollucks. What wrecks homes is adult immaturity, every person over 30 i know has a severe ego complex not to mention an inability to change.
THE WORLD CHANGES, PEOPLE CHANGE, (Surprisingly the bible hasnt…but its interpretation is twisted and manipulated to suit any arguement. Sexual identity changes…..How many suicides of teenagers happen because you christian parents dont accept your childrens choices/behaviours. among all the religions christianity has caused more suicides and depression than any other religion.

SEX NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED RATIONALLY WITH YOUR CHILDREN BY YOU! NOT BY THE CHURCH OR THE TEACHERS….TAKE RESPONSIBILTY!