Updated: SAT by the numbers with rankings and 2008 data.

Now, when you search for your school here, tech guru Matt Dempsey has added lots of extras, such as your school’s ranking and 2008 results. He’s made it easier to track progress. (He hasn’t left his desk all day. The number crunching is deafening.)

In the national rankings, Georgia is 47th. The only places with lower SAT scores are South Carolina, Hawaii, Maine (where all students take the SAT )  and Washington, D.C.

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Dr. John Trotter

August 25th, 2009
4:33 pm

Maureen: Georgia’s overall ranking hasn’t changed hardly one whit (I guess taht a whit is first cousin to a bit) from its overall rankings 10 or 20 years ago on the SAT. It’s not worth getting all worked up about it. The Law of Large Numbers is for real. Significant changes probably indicate some systematic fudging or cheating taking place. Minimum Foundation, APEG, QBE, A+, NCLB — none of these programs brought about significant changes, although these Georgia programs (and the monies spent in Georgia from the Federal NCLB) cost the taxpayers untold millions and billions. Hire good teachers, allow them to be creative in their teaching, and support them in areas of student discipline. This is the best thing that can be done for the boys and girls in Georgia.

The definition for crazy is doing the same thing and getting the same results. Am I advocating a change in instruction or a change in the curricula or a change in the way the schools are organized or a change in the school schedules? No. As a society, we constantly change things, hoping that these changes will result in genuine student improvement on the SAT and other standardized tests. Do you remember the almighty middle school concept? What about block scheduling? New math? Sight reading? Whole language? Non-graded instruction? We could go on and on. Now the State is coming up with an even more biased and onerous teacher evaluative process which is subject to major administrative abuse. Why? Another attempt to bring about improvement. It’s not going to happen. The Law of the Large Numbers is a law, folk. Somewhat like The Law of Gravity. You have to change either who our students are or drastically change our current students’ attitudes toward rigorous academics. Just legislating more laws or passing more policies without addressing the students themselves is like spitting toward a Tsunami! You just end up with spit all over your face and clothes. But, no, no one wants to blame anything on the students or on their parents. This would not be very political, but it would be the truth. I will continue to quote Dr. Eugene Boyce, one of my professors nearly 30 years ago at UGA: “The motivation to learn is a social process.” It’s a motivatonal breakdown, not a technical breakdown. (c) MACE, August 25, 2009.

ScienceTeacher671

August 25th, 2009
5:57 pm

While Matt is crunching those numbers…I heard on NPR today that 71% of Georgia students take the SAT, and I believe they said that the other states averaged only 47% of their students taking the test…

If we just looked at the top 47% of Georgia’s students, how would that compare with other states?

Poor Zell...

August 25th, 2009
7:05 pm

This state is ranking close to last because of the preponderance of really stupid, ignorant people who live in this state. Let’s face it folks–most of you and your kids are dumb. Rednecks.

ScienceTeacher671

August 25th, 2009
7:21 pm

Either I used a trigger word, or Maureen got mad at my snarky comment yesterday….none of my posts are showing up.

ScienceTeacher671

August 25th, 2009
7:22 pm

Ok, must not have been the snark…. :-)

Maureen's accountability metric

August 25th, 2009
7:25 pm

Support teachers is areas of discipline Dr. Trotter? But that’s really not a problem; as Maureen has told us, “there’s no data” to support the contention that teachers aren’t getting the support they need.

Nevermind that her very own paper has run multiple stories of whole school systems manipulating data to minimize the very discipline problems you refer to.

Dr. Trotter is it possible that you, the numerous AJC reporters, the hundreds of thousands of teachers who leave the profession every year and the one in ten urban teachers who have reported being physically assaulted by a student are all just wrong?

Just plain wrong?

Or does Maureen simply have more faith in school officials and their “data” than she does the AJC reporters and their good old fashion investigative reporting? Must make for some uncomfortable moments at the AJC Christmas party, knowing one of high and mighty coworkers from the editorial page shows such open contempt for your work that they repeatedly choose to ignore it.

But enough of such talk; let’s have some data about the data!

Larry

August 26th, 2009
1:17 am

ScienceTeacher671 – Your observation is precisely the point I try (and generally fail) to make every year around this time.

Last year, there were 29 states with a participation rate under 50 percent. Of these 29 states, 27 had scores above the national average.

On the other side, 21 states and DC tested over half the student population. Of these 22 school systems, only 7 had scores above the national average.

Although “self-evident” is largely lost on the public, it’s nice to know I’m not alone.