Comments on: The governor begins review of abuse policies in schools http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/08/14/the-governor-begins-review-of-abuse-policies-in-schools/ Your source to discuss and learn about education in Atlanta, Georgia and the nation Sat, 11 Feb 2012 01:49:29 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: mdowney http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/08/14/the-governor-begins-review-of-abuse-policies-in-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-8105 mdowney Fri, 28 Aug 2009 20:02:06 +0000 http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/?p=1082#comment-8105 Tina, Your long comment did not post. I tried to post it myself, but it would not for some reason. You may want to repost it in two messages. Please note that the comment to which you were referring here is not a comment from me as moderator of this blog but a poster who uses my first name in their screen name. Thanks, Maureen Downey Tina, Your long comment did not post. I tried to post it myself, but it would not for some reason. You may want to repost it in two messages.
Please note that the comment to which you were referring here is not a comment from me as moderator of this blog but a poster who uses my first name in their screen name.
Thanks, Maureen Downey

]]> By: Tina http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/08/14/the-governor-begins-review-of-abuse-policies-in-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-8102 Tina Fri, 28 Aug 2009 19:34:44 +0000 http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/?p=1082#comment-8102 Enter your comments here Enter your comments here

]]> By: KidsRpeople2 http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/08/14/the-governor-begins-review-of-abuse-policies-in-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-7205 KidsRpeople2 Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:08:28 +0000 http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/?p=1082#comment-7205 Regarding where us tax-paying, voting, parents (educators are paid by us and entrusted with our most precious future, our children, leaders of tomorrow)come up with this crap, you are invited to enter Congressman George Miller's (he is the Chairman of the U.S. House Education Committee that is currently holding hearings on Abusive and DEADLY practices in schools) name into any internet search engine and read posted testimony and witness video of testimony of abuse of children in schools by school employees, from the hearings for yourselves. You are invited to get involved to make a positive difference in the lives of children, ALL OF OUR FUTURES DEPEND ON IT! Regarding where us tax-paying, voting, parents (educators are paid by us and entrusted with our most precious future, our children, leaders of tomorrow)come up with this crap, you are invited to enter Congressman George Miller’s (he is the Chairman of the U.S. House Education Committee that is currently holding hearings on Abusive and DEADLY practices in schools) name into any internet search engine and read posted testimony and witness video of testimony of abuse of children in schools by school employees, from the hearings for yourselves. You are invited to get involved to make a positive difference in the lives of children, ALL OF OUR FUTURES DEPEND ON IT!

]]> By: Kathy http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/08/14/the-governor-begins-review-of-abuse-policies-in-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-7183 Kathy Wed, 19 Aug 2009 01:15:46 +0000 http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/?p=1082#comment-7183 How about giving parents a voucher to let their child attend any school, including schools outside the district and/or private facilities? It seems like a win win outcome. Teachers and administrators could ensure and even use persuasion to help parents choose the right school for little Suzy Q. Parents who are not satisfied with the education process can pack up their kid and shop around for a school principal who has values, beliefs, and practices parents can live with. OK, wait a minute.... I just realized this would mean somebody might lose their "captured audience, which are the kids zoned for their school, which means vouchers would cost some school districts MONEY if kids leave. Thus, the pushback from school districts on HB 251, intra-school choice. However, you have to admit, maintaining the status quo of restraints, seclusion or solitary confinement, and especially spanking kids IS ABSOLUTELY FREE!!!! Why, who doesn't like a freebie, which esentially boils down to....the ends justify the means. Shame on us that it has to be children who pay. Stop it with the kids....come after parents, hold us accountable. Leave the children out of the middle. How about giving parents a voucher to let their child attend any school, including schools outside the district and/or private facilities? It seems like a win win outcome. Teachers and administrators could ensure and even use persuasion to help parents choose the right school for little Suzy Q. Parents who are not satisfied with the education process can pack up their kid and shop around for a school principal who has values, beliefs, and practices parents can live with.
OK, wait a minute…. I just realized this would mean somebody might lose their “captured audience, which are the kids zoned for their school, which means vouchers would cost some school districts MONEY if kids leave. Thus, the pushback from school districts on HB 251, intra-school choice.
However, you have to admit, maintaining the status quo of restraints, seclusion or solitary confinement, and especially spanking kids IS ABSOLUTELY FREE!!!! Why, who doesn’t like a freebie, which esentially boils down to….the ends justify the means. Shame on us that it has to be children who pay. Stop it with the kids….come after parents, hold us accountable. Leave the children out of the middle.

]]> By: terry http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/08/14/the-governor-begins-review-of-abuse-policies-in-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-7181 terry Wed, 19 Aug 2009 00:39:28 +0000 http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/?p=1082#comment-7181 Batgirl - While I appreciate your comment, there is absolutely no fail safe way to NOT injure a student when paddled. Again, I give a scenario...suppose child is getting paddled and the child has a yet undetermined medical issue, then what? This has happened. Suppose said child has autism - and that diagnosis is also difficult, long and arduous. This makes no sense that anyone would justify or minimize the issue. 30 states educate without paddling at all. So please explain that you think it is better that children choose to be paddled. There is no empirical study or data that says it works, in fact.. you yourself stated that it doesn't change behavior....so the question is, why are schools using it at all, when 1. it doesn't work 2. harm does occur. Is this a best educational practice-- I would say a resounding NO. Batgirl – While I appreciate your comment, there is absolutely no fail safe way to NOT injure a student when paddled. Again, I give a scenario…suppose child is getting paddled and the child has a yet undetermined medical issue, then what? This has happened. Suppose said child has autism – and that diagnosis is also difficult, long and arduous. This makes no sense that anyone would justify or minimize the issue. 30 states educate without paddling at all. So please explain that you think it is better that children choose to be paddled. There is no empirical study or data that says it works, in fact.. you yourself stated that it doesn’t change behavior….so the question is, why are schools using it at all, when 1. it doesn’t work 2. harm does occur. Is this a best educational practice– I would say a resounding NO.

]]> By: EBD teacher http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/08/14/the-governor-begins-review-of-abuse-policies-in-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-7171 EBD teacher Tue, 18 Aug 2009 22:22:58 +0000 http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/?p=1082#comment-7171 Students that are served under RESAs are students with severe emotional and behavioral problems. These students are two steps away from prison or hospitalization. These students do not mind assaulting teachers and/or other students. So what is a teacher to do? Let the student fight everyone in the class. Some of these kids only know aggression, and through aggression you can make them sit down, thus the learning can begin!!!! Students that are served under RESAs are students with severe emotional and behavioral problems. These students are two steps away from prison or hospitalization. These students do not mind assaulting teachers and/or other students. So what is a teacher to do? Let the student fight everyone in the class. Some of these kids only know aggression, and through aggression you can make them sit down, thus the learning can begin!!!!

]]> By: Batgirl http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/08/14/the-governor-begins-review-of-abuse-policies-in-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-7156 Batgirl Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:45:48 +0000 http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/?p=1082#comment-7156 I just want to know where some of you people come up with this crap. I don't even know where to begin. I am not saying there are no problems in public schools or with some teachers; however, the bile spewed by some posters is simply false, and there are plenty of gullible rubes out there who want to believe the worst. In my school, students are rarely paddled anymore, and when they are, it is usually after a major infraction or series of infractions for which other punishments (break detention, lunch detention, etc.) have failed. Teachers are not allowed to give paddlings; they are given by administrators. By the way, some students ask to be paddled rather than serve time in In School Suspension. They would rather get it over with and go back to being disruptive rather than go to ISS where they must sit in silence and at least pretend to do their assignments. As for teachers whining that they are the ones who are being abused, I have experienced the abuse (not physical, but verbal and emotional) and I've witnessed it. Five years ago, my last period class was pure he**. I had some wonderful kids, especially the girls, but there waas a group of about 5 or 6 boys who made it their mission to disrupt and humiliate me on a daily basis. Of course, they were disruptive in other classes, too, so we often called their parents for meetings. One parent even laughed and said that he was proud that his son was coming out of his shell. Shockingly, when he got to high school, he put a stink bomb in an air conditioner, got suspended and never went back. I have now been in the library for five years and no longer have to put up with that sort of behavior. However, I occasionally see poor treatment of other teachers by students, and I am quick to make my displeasure known. I am also quick to defend students who I believe are not being treated fairly. Terry, the forms that parents fill out at the beginning of the year include information on medical conditions, so teachers and administrators would be well aware if a child sufferred such serious conditions as bleeding disorders or brittle bones. In fact, the boy whose father thought it was cool that he was coming out of his shell was a hemophiliac. He was never touched despite his asinine behaviors. Now, that I have finished my rant, let me say that I do hope that where there is true abuse, it is uncovered, and I hope that the governor will also look at charter schools and private schools rather than just pointing his finger at public schools. He might also want to look at little harder at families since that is where most abuse occurs. I just want to know where some of you people come up with this crap. I don’t even know where to begin. I am not saying there are no problems in public schools or with some teachers; however, the bile spewed by some posters is simply false, and there are plenty of gullible rubes out there who want to believe the worst.

In my school, students are rarely paddled anymore, and when they are, it is usually after a major infraction or series of infractions for which other punishments (break detention, lunch detention, etc.) have failed. Teachers are not allowed to give paddlings; they are given by administrators. By the way, some students ask to be paddled rather than serve time in In School Suspension. They would rather get it over with and go back to being disruptive rather than go to ISS where they must sit in silence and at least pretend to do their assignments.

As for teachers whining that they are the ones who are being abused, I have experienced the abuse (not physical, but verbal and emotional) and I’ve witnessed it. Five years ago, my last period class was pure he**. I had some wonderful kids, especially the girls, but there waas a group of about 5 or 6 boys who made it their mission to disrupt and humiliate me on a daily basis. Of course, they were disruptive in other classes, too, so we often called their parents for meetings. One parent even laughed and said that he was proud that his son was coming out of his shell. Shockingly, when he got to high school, he put a stink bomb in an air conditioner, got suspended and never went back.

I have now been in the library for five years and no longer have to put up with that sort of behavior. However, I occasionally see poor treatment of other teachers by students, and I am quick to make my displeasure known. I am also quick to defend students who I believe are not being treated fairly.

Terry, the forms that parents fill out at the beginning of the year include information on medical conditions, so teachers and administrators would be well aware if a child sufferred such serious conditions as bleeding disorders or brittle bones. In fact, the boy whose father thought it was cool that he was coming out of his shell was a hemophiliac. He was never touched despite his asinine behaviors.

Now, that I have finished my rant, let me say that I do hope that where there is true abuse, it is uncovered, and I hope that the governor will also look at charter schools and private schools rather than just pointing his finger at public schools. He might also want to look at little harder at families since that is where most abuse occurs.

]]> By: terry http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/08/14/the-governor-begins-review-of-abuse-policies-in-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-7069 terry Mon, 17 Aug 2009 22:08:24 +0000 http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/?p=1082#comment-7069 It does not compute that it is lawful in the state of Georgia for someone in the education system to be able to take a wooden board and hit a child. The hitter can be couple of hundred pounds, the child weighs what ...60, 70, 80 ,100 pounds. Please give me a break. How many children attend school that have medical conditions, such as a bleeding disorder or brittle bone syndrome perhaps. I can't believe what I am reading on these blogs... and can't believe that the option of 'paddling' should even be left to the discretion of a district to use on a child. God help the children. It does not compute that it is lawful in the state of Georgia for someone in the education system to be able to take a wooden board and hit a child. The hitter can be couple of hundred pounds, the child weighs what …60, 70, 80 ,100 pounds. Please give me a break. How many children attend school that have medical conditions, such as a bleeding disorder or brittle bone syndrome perhaps. I can’t believe what I am reading on these blogs… and can’t believe that the option of ‘paddling’ should even be left to the discretion of a district to use on a child. God help the children.

]]> By: terry http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/08/14/the-governor-begins-review-of-abuse-policies-in-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-7067 terry Mon, 17 Aug 2009 22:01:01 +0000 http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/?p=1082#comment-7067 To Rosie --- did you read the article from south Georgia - -probably not. Yes, children are injured from this practice. Please stop the denial. It's a problem that we as Georgians need to deal with. To Rosie — did you read the article from south Georgia – -probably not. Yes, children are injured from this practice. Please stop the denial. It’s a problem that we as Georgians need to deal with.

]]> By: Rosie http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/08/14/the-governor-begins-review-of-abuse-policies-in-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-7001 Rosie Mon, 17 Aug 2009 02:52:50 +0000 http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/?p=1082#comment-7001 Terry, What have you been reading? I haven't heard of any child in the State of Georgia admitted to a hosital for injuries related to corporal punishment at school. I'm with Dr. Spinks on this one- the only abuse going on in schools is the abuse of children wanting to learn by the children disrupting the educational environment. This is usually due to the fact the disruptive students do not value education because their parents don't value it, but instead consider it babysitting. These are the same parents raising a stink everytime someone mentions a four-day school week. Corporal punishment is an option in Georgia schools, but does not happen very often. Terry,
What have you been reading? I haven’t heard of any child in the State of Georgia admitted to a hosital for injuries related to corporal punishment at school. I’m with Dr. Spinks on this one- the only abuse going on in schools is the abuse of children wanting to learn by the children disrupting the educational environment. This is usually due to the fact the disruptive students do not value education because their parents don’t value it, but instead consider it babysitting. These are the same parents raising a stink everytime someone mentions a four-day school week. Corporal punishment is an option in Georgia schools, but does not happen very often.

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