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		<title>By: teacher and parent</title>
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		<dc:creator>teacher and parent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 03:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And, did we see the articles about those from abroad working with HB1 visas will NOT be furloughed?   Hmm...I guess I&#039;ll tell my son to sign up for classes taught by professors with foreign-sounding names...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, did we see the articles about those from abroad working with HB1 visas will NOT be furloughed?   Hmm&#8230;I guess I&#8217;ll tell my son to sign up for classes taught by professors with foreign-sounding names&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: teacher and parent</title>
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		<dc:creator>teacher and parent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 23:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>https://financialservices.kennesaw.edu/culinary/mealplans

Maureen - here&#039;s a link to the meal plan info. It calls them &quot;mandatory&quot; and has a separate line for commuting students.  My daughter just graduated from there, and my son is about to start - she told him and he told me, and I just didn&#039;t believe it until I saw it with my own two eyes!</description>
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<p>Maureen &#8211; here&#8217;s a link to the meal plan info. It calls them &#8220;mandatory&#8221; and has a separate line for commuting students.  My daughter just graduated from there, and my son is about to start &#8211; she told him and he told me, and I just didn&#8217;t believe it until I saw it with my own two eyes!</p>
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		<title>By: mdowney</title>
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		<dc:creator>mdowney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 18:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Teacher and parent, I am surprised to learn the KSU is forcing a meal plan onto commuting freshmen, but the school Web site shows a $355 per semester charge. I am letting newsside know this as a reporter is doing a story on the new dining hall. Thanks for the information, Maureen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teacher and parent, I am surprised to learn the KSU is forcing a meal plan onto commuting freshmen, but the school Web site shows a $355 per semester charge. I am letting newsside know this as a reporter is doing a story on the new dining hall. Thanks for the information, Maureen</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 15:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Georgia colleges and universities aren&#039;t the only systems suffering.  This is a nationwide problem and its not all because of the economy.  Higher ed spending has been out of control for a while now.  In any case, I don&#039;t think we will be losing very many excellent employees to other systems any time soon.  The systems in other states are having their own budget crisis, including furloughs and lay offs--those nationwide opportunities 2cents speaks of, are to be blunt, just not out there.

If anything, the folks in Georgia&#039;s system might want to up their game for while, cause it looks like there might be some recently laid off competition coming our way from some excellent higher ed systems who are worse off than we are.  

Here are some links:
CSU, the largest U.S. four-year university system with 450,000 students, plans to cut enrollment by 40,000 over the next two years. Nearly all 47,000 employees have agreed to take furloughs two days per month, and fees for in-state undergraduates will rise 32 percent to $4,827 a year.  http://www.sfexaminer.com/local/ap/52537182.html

Syracuse University budget cuts costs, freezes many salaries. by Nancy Cole / The Post-Standard. Wednesday March 04, 2009, 6:24 AM. What&#039;s new ...
www.syracuse.com/.../syracuse_university_budget_cut.html

Arizona State University - Budget cuts
Feb 10, 2009 ... No university, no public institution, no corporation, no individual can sustain the drastic budget cuts we have taken without reducing its ...www.asu.edu/budgetcuts/

Trustees approve budget cuts to safeguard strength of Cornell. http://www.cornell.edu/president/statements/2009/20090125-fy2009-budget.cfm

Chancellor Holden Thorp has UNC to prepare for a $60 million cut to University funding.  http://universityrelations.unc.edu/budget/documents/2009/campusbudgetupdate070109.pdf


UVA braces for additional budget cuts up to $19 million

Casteen says layoffs only &quot;after all rational and all other remedies have failed&quot;
http://www.c-ville.com/index.php?cat=141404064432695&amp;ShowArticle_ID=11801307090442022</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Georgia colleges and universities aren&#8217;t the only systems suffering.  This is a nationwide problem and its not all because of the economy.  Higher ed spending has been out of control for a while now.  In any case, I don&#8217;t think we will be losing very many excellent employees to other systems any time soon.  The systems in other states are having their own budget crisis, including furloughs and lay offs&#8211;those nationwide opportunities 2cents speaks of, are to be blunt, just not out there.</p>
<p>If anything, the folks in Georgia&#8217;s system might want to up their game for while, cause it looks like there might be some recently laid off competition coming our way from some excellent higher ed systems who are worse off than we are.  </p>
<p>Here are some links:<br />
CSU, the largest U.S. four-year university system with 450,000 students, plans to cut enrollment by 40,000 over the next two years. Nearly all 47,000 employees have agreed to take furloughs two days per month, and fees for in-state undergraduates will rise 32 percent to $4,827 a year.  <a href="http://www.sfexaminer.com/local/ap/52537182.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.sfexaminer.com/local/ap/52537182.html</a></p>
<p>Syracuse University budget cuts costs, freezes many salaries. by Nancy Cole / The Post-Standard. Wednesday March 04, 2009, 6:24 AM. What&#8217;s new &#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.syracuse.com/.../syracuse_university_budget_cut.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.syracuse.com/&#8230;/syracuse_university_budget_cut.html</a></p>
<p>Arizona State University &#8211; Budget cuts<br />
Feb 10, 2009 &#8230; No university, no public institution, no corporation, no individual can sustain the drastic budget cuts we have taken without reducing its &#8230;www.asu.edu/budgetcuts/</p>
<p>Trustees approve budget cuts to safeguard strength of Cornell. <a href="http://www.cornell.edu/president/statements/2009/20090125-fy2009-budget.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://www.cornell.edu/president/statements/2009/20090125-fy2009-budget.cfm</a></p>
<p>Chancellor Holden Thorp has UNC to prepare for a $60 million cut to University funding.  <a href="http://universityrelations.unc.edu/budget/documents/2009/campusbudgetupdate070109.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://universityrelations.unc.edu/budget/documents/2009/campusbudgetupdate070109.pdf</a></p>
<p>UVA braces for additional budget cuts up to $19 million</p>
<p>Casteen says layoffs only &#8220;after all rational and all other remedies have failed&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.c-ville.com/index.php?cat=141404064432695&amp;ShowArticle_ID=11801307090442022" rel="nofollow">http://www.c-ville.com/index.php?cat=141404064432695&amp;ShowArticle_ID=11801307090442022</a></p>
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		<title>By: mdowney</title>
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		<dc:creator>mdowney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 14:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron, I think federal financial aid will not decrease. However, what will make a timely graduation more difficult will be the cutbacks to the number of classes offered at any one time. Students may have to stay longer in school to get all their required courses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron, I think federal financial aid will not decrease. However, what will make a timely graduation more difficult will be the cutbacks to the number of classes offered at any one time. Students may have to stay longer in school to get all their required courses.</p>
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		<title>By: xnxnxnx</title>
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		<dc:creator>xnxnxnx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 14:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think most of us who have spent more than one semester in college know that, as you say, &quot;having a PhD doesn&#039;t mean someone is an excellent teacher or researcher,&quot; but on the other hand, we also know that being employed as a bonafide professor &quot;doesn&#039;t mean someone is an excellent teacher or researcher&quot; either.  

The fact is, there is a huge pool of highly intelligent, enthusiastic, unemployed and underemployed academics out there to draw on if professors decide to leave GA, and there is no reason to believe that because these PhDs are underemployed and/or young and inexperienced doesn&#039;t mean they represent mediocrity.  We were all young and inexperienced once.

I think GA will be fine without the few professors who decide to leave in a snit because they have been asked to help GA make it through this pretty major economic downturn by taking a few days of furlough along with every other state employee.  If you want to pretend that those professors are irreplaceable or somehow of such incredible value to the state that they should be exempt from the furloughs for fear we will lose them, well, go ahead and be silly. The rest of us are unimpressed. It sounds to me like you might be one of these disgruntled primadonnas.  If you are, and you want to leave, please go.  We&#039;ll be fine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think most of us who have spent more than one semester in college know that, as you say, &#8220;having a PhD doesn&#8217;t mean someone is an excellent teacher or researcher,&#8221; but on the other hand, we also know that being employed as a bonafide professor &#8220;doesn&#8217;t mean someone is an excellent teacher or researcher&#8221; either.  </p>
<p>The fact is, there is a huge pool of highly intelligent, enthusiastic, unemployed and underemployed academics out there to draw on if professors decide to leave GA, and there is no reason to believe that because these PhDs are underemployed and/or young and inexperienced doesn&#8217;t mean they represent mediocrity.  We were all young and inexperienced once.</p>
<p>I think GA will be fine without the few professors who decide to leave in a snit because they have been asked to help GA make it through this pretty major economic downturn by taking a few days of furlough along with every other state employee.  If you want to pretend that those professors are irreplaceable or somehow of such incredible value to the state that they should be exempt from the furloughs for fear we will lose them, well, go ahead and be silly. The rest of us are unimpressed. It sounds to me like you might be one of these disgruntled primadonnas.  If you are, and you want to leave, please go.  We&#8217;ll be fine.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 01:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I go to SPSU, I&#039;ve been reading the article. I&#039;m a junior and have 2 years to graduate, and receive financial aid which include pell and federal loans. Do any of you think that they will cut financial aid programs down so much as to keep people from graduating in the up coming years?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I go to SPSU, I&#8217;ve been reading the article. I&#8217;m a junior and have 2 years to graduate, and receive financial aid which include pell and federal loans. Do any of you think that they will cut financial aid programs down so much as to keep people from graduating in the up coming years?</p>
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		<title>By: 2cents</title>
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		<dc:creator>2cents</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 19:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To xnxnxnx: It might not be the best recruitment strategy to rely on state patriotism and desperate PhDs who have been unable to find a job elsewhere. If we want the best talent in our universities, we have to offer real incentives. If, on the other hand, we&#039;ll settle for mediocrity, GA will continue to lag behind. Universities don&#039;t simply hire the first person that walks in off the street to fill their positions. There is a competitive, national search process. And teaching at a university isn&#039;t like flipping burgers. Having a PhD doesn&#039;t mean someone is an excellent teacher or researcher, and s/he doesn&#039;t just magically become one. It takes talent as well as years of training and experience. 

It&#039;s true that the weather is a draw, but it can only enhance what GA has to offer, not serve as the base. Most academics look at the nature of the position first when considering job opportunities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To xnxnxnx: It might not be the best recruitment strategy to rely on state patriotism and desperate PhDs who have been unable to find a job elsewhere. If we want the best talent in our universities, we have to offer real incentives. If, on the other hand, we&#8217;ll settle for mediocrity, GA will continue to lag behind. Universities don&#8217;t simply hire the first person that walks in off the street to fill their positions. There is a competitive, national search process. And teaching at a university isn&#8217;t like flipping burgers. Having a PhD doesn&#8217;t mean someone is an excellent teacher or researcher, and s/he doesn&#8217;t just magically become one. It takes talent as well as years of training and experience. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s true that the weather is a draw, but it can only enhance what GA has to offer, not serve as the base. Most academics look at the nature of the position first when considering job opportunities.</p>
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		<title>By: motherjanegoose</title>
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		<dc:creator>motherjanegoose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>xnxnxnx....good points and not to mention the moderate climate in GA and mostly lower cost of living.  I was in northern MN this past March and spoke at a college.  The folks there were so wonderful and sweet but I would NOT consider moving up there as it was 24 BELOW zero and this was the actual temperature...not the wind chill.  BRRRR.  
I do imagine that it is BEAUTIFUL there now.  $5000 more per year may not be worth fighting the cold winters...who knows.  THEY would simply melt in our Atlanta heat today!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>xnxnxnx&#8230;.good points and not to mention the moderate climate in GA and mostly lower cost of living.  I was in northern MN this past March and spoke at a college.  The folks there were so wonderful and sweet but I would NOT consider moving up there as it was 24 BELOW zero and this was the actual temperature&#8230;not the wind chill.  BRRRR.<br />
I do imagine that it is BEAUTIFUL there now.  $5000 more per year may not be worth fighting the cold winters&#8230;who knows.  THEY would simply melt in our Atlanta heat today!</p>
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		<title>By: xnxnxnx</title>
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		<dc:creator>xnxnxnx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are plenty of unemployed PhD&#039;s out there anxious for work, so if professors leave GA for other states with better economic conditions (after all there are SOOOOOO MANY of those right now) then I don&#039;t think we need worry there will be noone left to fill the vacancies.  As for the comment that &quot;better&quot; educators will leave--I can only say phooey!  

The reality is there are plenty of sorry educators working in GA colleges and plenty of really wonderful educators working as well, but there are also plenty of great educators working part time at McDonald&#039;s at night and teaching part time one or two classes a semester.  If the &quot;better educators&quot; leave, they will be replaced--some by great educators, some by new educators who will one day be great--but they will certainly be replaced by someone with a better attitude who is grateful to have a great job, with excellent benefits, time for research (on GA&#039;s dime) and a classroom of his or her own.  

As for the &quot;better educators&quot; who leave GA collegs now because of this economy, I say good riddance. Good luck finding a better deal elsewhere until the recession turns around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are plenty of unemployed PhD&#8217;s out there anxious for work, so if professors leave GA for other states with better economic conditions (after all there are SOOOOOO MANY of those right now) then I don&#8217;t think we need worry there will be noone left to fill the vacancies.  As for the comment that &#8220;better&#8221; educators will leave&#8211;I can only say phooey!  </p>
<p>The reality is there are plenty of sorry educators working in GA colleges and plenty of really wonderful educators working as well, but there are also plenty of great educators working part time at McDonald&#8217;s at night and teaching part time one or two classes a semester.  If the &#8220;better educators&#8221; leave, they will be replaced&#8211;some by great educators, some by new educators who will one day be great&#8211;but they will certainly be replaced by someone with a better attitude who is grateful to have a great job, with excellent benefits, time for research (on GA&#8217;s dime) and a classroom of his or her own.  </p>
<p>As for the &#8220;better educators&#8221; who leave GA collegs now because of this economy, I say good riddance. Good luck finding a better deal elsewhere until the recession turns around.</p>
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