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		<title>By: KERRI</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/07/14/did-your-school-make-ayp/comment-page-2/#comment-4201</link>
		<dc:creator>KERRI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>these test are a joke. i have tried to refuse to make my child take these test. i cant figure out if they test my childs ability to learn of the teachers ability to theach the material given to them. if think if the school would concentrate more on teaching than what a child is wearing and who is picking them up and dropping them off and let us not forget the PDA  (public display of affection) this is all matters that are the PARENTS  to deal with not some GOVERNMANT teacher or sherrif goon that we as tax payers pay to protect our kids at school. it is time that we as parents stood up and took back the schoos remember they work for us. we pay their salery and therefor i belive if we started holding them accountable for their mess they would do a better job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>these test are a joke. i have tried to refuse to make my child take these test. i cant figure out if they test my childs ability to learn of the teachers ability to theach the material given to them. if think if the school would concentrate more on teaching than what a child is wearing and who is picking them up and dropping them off and let us not forget the PDA  (public display of affection) this is all matters that are the PARENTS  to deal with not some GOVERNMANT teacher or sherrif goon that we as tax payers pay to protect our kids at school. it is time that we as parents stood up and took back the schoos remember they work for us. we pay their salery and therefor i belive if we started holding them accountable for their mess they would do a better job.</p>
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		<title>By: Fed up</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fed up</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 04:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whatever you do, please don&#039;t send your kids to Midway Elementary School in DeKalb County.  The administrators are doing a horrible job at running that school. The teachers have no support, the kids run a muck and the Principal&#039;s solution is to give the child a lollipop and send them back to class. What kind of crap is that.  For the kids there that want to learn I feel sorry for them, but the parents fail to come into the building to witness what&#039;s going on.  It&#039;s a shame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever you do, please don&#8217;t send your kids to Midway Elementary School in DeKalb County.  The administrators are doing a horrible job at running that school. The teachers have no support, the kids run a muck and the Principal&#8217;s solution is to give the child a lollipop and send them back to class. What kind of crap is that.  For the kids there that want to learn I feel sorry for them, but the parents fail to come into the building to witness what&#8217;s going on.  It&#8217;s a shame.</p>
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		<title>By: System Wide Failures</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/07/14/did-your-school-make-ayp/comment-page-2/#comment-4102</link>
		<dc:creator>System Wide Failures</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 01:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something is horribly wrong when whole systems such as Dekalb, Clayton, and Henry fail to make AYP! The successful individual schools within the system cannot hold up the whole system. I say systems had better start looking at what the schools making AYP year after year are doing and learn from within! What is happening at the high school level within these systems?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something is horribly wrong when whole systems such as Dekalb, Clayton, and Henry fail to make AYP! The successful individual schools within the system cannot hold up the whole system. I say systems had better start looking at what the schools making AYP year after year are doing and learn from within! What is happening at the high school level within these systems?</p>
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		<title>By: Dedicated40Years</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dedicated40Years</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Dedicated40Years</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dedicated40Years</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dekalb Conservative

I do not know your defintion of middle or upper class. However, with the unemployment in Ga there will be a poorer class of students who will need free breakfast and lunch. Before the CRCT, we began to see a new subgroup($50,000 plus) incomes become $0 income and many parents were applying for help. Many of the students were high achievers and 2 parent homes. This economy does have acronyms: FOOD.SHELTER, AND CLOTHES which are given to all of us. I hope you can continue your economic status in the near future. By the way, some of my exceptional learners had the support of their parents who worked at low paying jobs and qualified for the breakfast and lunch program. Those without the real truth should not throw stones into others glass houses. Keep on sacrificing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dekalb Conservative</p>
<p>I do not know your defintion of middle or upper class. However, with the unemployment in Ga there will be a poorer class of students who will need free breakfast and lunch. Before the CRCT, we began to see a new subgroup($50,000 plus) incomes become $0 income and many parents were applying for help. Many of the students were high achievers and 2 parent homes. This economy does have acronyms: FOOD.SHELTER, AND CLOTHES which are given to all of us. I hope you can continue your economic status in the near future. By the way, some of my exceptional learners had the support of their parents who worked at low paying jobs and qualified for the breakfast and lunch program. Those without the real truth should not throw stones into others glass houses. Keep on sacrificing!</p>
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		<title>By: DeKalb Conservative</title>
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		<dc:creator>DeKalb Conservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s take all the acronyms out of this. These scores are indicating minimal levels of achievement. Think of when you went to school and how you would define minimal achievers in your class. 

Stop venting about SUB GROUPS. I don&#039;t think students should be broken down into sub groups, unless a person is willing to admit each sub group is not equally qualified to take the test, ie the intelligence potential of each sub group is not equal and therefore admitting students are not equal because of sub group status. Admitting this only opens the door to stating that students should be separated, ie segregated by sub group because their sub group is not inherently qualified to compete with other sub groups, or people not that are not members of a sub group.
 - Perfect example of a not allowing sub groups as a scape goat: why is it &quot;five minutes&quot; after an immigrant comes over from India he/she is a doctor?? 

CLASSISM: It exists, get over it. People make decisions and there a consequences for those decisions. The children of a particular class tend to grow up to be in the same class as their parents. Middle class teach their children what it takes to be middle class. Same applies with poverty. Fact is that middle and upper middle class families give everything they can so that their kids will have the opportunity to be middle class and hopefully surpass their parents. That means parents work harder, sacrificing their youth in school, their young adult years in college and extend their adult years by sacrificing impulse pleasure so that they can afford to live in higher priced areas that good school districts. When that doesn&#039;t work, the families sacrifice more by paying for private schools, in effect shielding their children from negative influences that retard their children&#039;s classroom experience and limit their potential.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s take all the acronyms out of this. These scores are indicating minimal levels of achievement. Think of when you went to school and how you would define minimal achievers in your class. </p>
<p>Stop venting about SUB GROUPS. I don&#8217;t think students should be broken down into sub groups, unless a person is willing to admit each sub group is not equally qualified to take the test, ie the intelligence potential of each sub group is not equal and therefore admitting students are not equal because of sub group status. Admitting this only opens the door to stating that students should be separated, ie segregated by sub group because their sub group is not inherently qualified to compete with other sub groups, or people not that are not members of a sub group.<br />
 &#8211; Perfect example of a not allowing sub groups as a scape goat: why is it &#8220;five minutes&#8221; after an immigrant comes over from India he/she is a doctor?? </p>
<p>CLASSISM: It exists, get over it. People make decisions and there a consequences for those decisions. The children of a particular class tend to grow up to be in the same class as their parents. Middle class teach their children what it takes to be middle class. Same applies with poverty. Fact is that middle and upper middle class families give everything they can so that their kids will have the opportunity to be middle class and hopefully surpass their parents. That means parents work harder, sacrificing their youth in school, their young adult years in college and extend their adult years by sacrificing impulse pleasure so that they can afford to live in higher priced areas that good school districts. When that doesn&#8217;t work, the families sacrifice more by paying for private schools, in effect shielding their children from negative influences that retard their children&#8217;s classroom experience and limit their potential.</p>
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		<title>By: Dedicated40Years</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/07/14/did-your-school-make-ayp/comment-page-2/#comment-4030</link>
		<dc:creator>Dedicated40Years</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have taught in seven other states and when I registered my own children in their neighborhood schools, they would ask to see a standardized test score. Thank goodness these states recognized how important ITBS and Stanford tests scores were in the correct placements of my children in a successful learning environment. These assessments will give a clearer picture of a student&#039;s ability to complete on a national level. Thank goodness my 3 children graduated from VA, CA, and MA public schools and had the necessary skills to go to college.

Since moving here in 1998, I have  seen more students who cannot read on grade level in all subjects. When we are serious about placing students on their realistic reading levels and build their successes on an on-going achievement by moving them progressively as they meet their individual goals, these students will become sucessful readers.  We did it in MD and MI. It was called the SRA. All of the good and creative ideas that most teachers used to engage their students&#039; desire to come to school and participate have almost vanished from the classroom. One day a former principal over heard me say, &quot;Today my class is going to have fun Friday&quot;. Her comment was let them do fun things at home. Well, that Fun Friday activity was having a science(heat)lesson on how popcorn pops and(math) lesson on estimating how many seeds would actually pop.I did the lesson because it was in the QCC&#039;S and in my lesson plan. I am a risk taker at times because I want to capitivate my students&#039; interests and attention. We are so brain washed with this CRCT business, that good teaching is being destroyed. I am hoping to walk quietly away soon and have a business that will save students&#039; creativity in the arts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have taught in seven other states and when I registered my own children in their neighborhood schools, they would ask to see a standardized test score. Thank goodness these states recognized how important ITBS and Stanford tests scores were in the correct placements of my children in a successful learning environment. These assessments will give a clearer picture of a student&#8217;s ability to complete on a national level. Thank goodness my 3 children graduated from VA, CA, and MA public schools and had the necessary skills to go to college.</p>
<p>Since moving here in 1998, I have  seen more students who cannot read on grade level in all subjects. When we are serious about placing students on their realistic reading levels and build their successes on an on-going achievement by moving them progressively as they meet their individual goals, these students will become sucessful readers.  We did it in MD and MI. It was called the SRA. All of the good and creative ideas that most teachers used to engage their students&#8217; desire to come to school and participate have almost vanished from the classroom. One day a former principal over heard me say, &#8220;Today my class is going to have fun Friday&#8221;. Her comment was let them do fun things at home. Well, that Fun Friday activity was having a science(heat)lesson on how popcorn pops and(math) lesson on estimating how many seeds would actually pop.I did the lesson because it was in the QCC&#8217;S and in my lesson plan. I am a risk taker at times because I want to capitivate my students&#8217; interests and attention. We are so brain washed with this CRCT business, that good teaching is being destroyed. I am hoping to walk quietly away soon and have a business that will save students&#8217; creativity in the arts.</p>
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		<title>By: Parent</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/07/14/did-your-school-make-ayp/comment-page-2/#comment-4026</link>
		<dc:creator>Parent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 12:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vince,
Be careful before you congratulate Gwinnett. Take a look at how many subgroups are &quot;not counting&quot; in the schools that are borderline, think about the close to 3500 middle schoolers and high schoolers who have been long term suspended and magically their test scores don&#039;t impact AYP determinations for likely up to two years running. Think about how many schools are making it due to &quot;confidence level&quot; and then once all that data is on the table, if congrats are still due - I will be first in line. Then make sure you see the % of excels by race (those who are excel are the only ones going to 4 year colleges). I think you will see the cracks that are currently under wraps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vince,<br />
Be careful before you congratulate Gwinnett. Take a look at how many subgroups are &#8220;not counting&#8221; in the schools that are borderline, think about the close to 3500 middle schoolers and high schoolers who have been long term suspended and magically their test scores don&#8217;t impact AYP determinations for likely up to two years running. Think about how many schools are making it due to &#8220;confidence level&#8221; and then once all that data is on the table, if congrats are still due &#8211; I will be first in line. Then make sure you see the % of excels by race (those who are excel are the only ones going to 4 year colleges). I think you will see the cracks that are currently under wraps.</p>
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		<title>By: newly retired teacher</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/07/14/did-your-school-make-ayp/comment-page-2/#comment-4024</link>
		<dc:creator>newly retired teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 12:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AYP= Adequate Yearly Progress not Awesome Yearly Progress
The CRCT is a minimal criterion referenced test based on Georgia&#039;s curriculum.  It is not standardized. A standardized test lets you compare students across the nation, i.e. ITBS, Stanford 9, SAT ,ACT, etc.  As most teachers will tell you just because you passed the reading and math portion of the crct does not mean you are an average student.  The test is easy for average and above average students.  Yes, we should be glad we met the minimal criteria, but we certainly should continue to have high expectations for all students. I do think there needs to be an alternative assessment for those with IEP&#039;s that are reading more than two grade levels below grade level. The current Georgia Alternative Assessment is for severely disabled students. We are lacking proper assessment for the borderline kids. But that&#039;s another discussion for another day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AYP= Adequate Yearly Progress not Awesome Yearly Progress<br />
The CRCT is a minimal criterion referenced test based on Georgia&#8217;s curriculum.  It is not standardized. A standardized test lets you compare students across the nation, i.e. ITBS, Stanford 9, SAT ,ACT, etc.  As most teachers will tell you just because you passed the reading and math portion of the crct does not mean you are an average student.  The test is easy for average and above average students.  Yes, we should be glad we met the minimal criteria, but we certainly should continue to have high expectations for all students. I do think there needs to be an alternative assessment for those with IEP&#8217;s that are reading more than two grade levels below grade level. The current Georgia Alternative Assessment is for severely disabled students. We are lacking proper assessment for the borderline kids. But that&#8217;s another discussion for another day.</p>
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		<title>By: N Ga teacher</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/07/14/did-your-school-make-ayp/comment-page-2/#comment-4023</link>
		<dc:creator>N Ga teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 05:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After a career of in teaching in several states, I  have the opinion that the &quot;problem&quot; with Georgia high school student achievement is  NOT due to bad teachers or administrators.  The problem is twofold:  first, Georgia public schools have a high proportion of students from poverty homes with associated societal problems like divorce, drugs, and crime.  An astounding number of middle and upper class kids attend private schools, which skews the scores and also reduces the influence of  &quot;role model&quot; kids.  As for AYP, these standards are rather arbitrarily established, and in a few years we will realize that more fully.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After a career of in teaching in several states, I  have the opinion that the &#8220;problem&#8221; with Georgia high school student achievement is  NOT due to bad teachers or administrators.  The problem is twofold:  first, Georgia public schools have a high proportion of students from poverty homes with associated societal problems like divorce, drugs, and crime.  An astounding number of middle and upper class kids attend private schools, which skews the scores and also reduces the influence of  &#8220;role model&#8221; kids.  As for AYP, these standards are rather arbitrarily established, and in a few years we will realize that more fully.</p>
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