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	<title>Comments on: Does the CRCT cheating scandal hurt students?</title>
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		<title>By: ScienceTeacher671</title>
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		<dc:creator>ScienceTeacher671</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 12:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On any of our state tests - whether CRCT, EOCT, or GHSGT - a student probably does not have the skills to succeed academically at the next level unless he or she has EXCEEDED expectations on the test.

Because, as Deeply Concerned has noted, a student who has merely &quot;MET&quot; expectations had not come close to actually passing the test.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On any of our state tests &#8211; whether CRCT, EOCT, or GHSGT &#8211; a student probably does not have the skills to succeed academically at the next level unless he or she has EXCEEDED expectations on the test.</p>
<p>Because, as Deeply Concerned has noted, a student who has merely &#8220;MET&#8221; expectations had not come close to actually passing the test.</p>
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		<title>By: MBW</title>
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		<dc:creator>MBW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 01:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The kids don&#039;t suffer in the short term...but they suffer in the long term because they are receiving a sub-standard education.   

I taught at a middle school in APS a few years ago, and it was a mess.   The teaching was horrible, the discipline was out of hand across the school, and the administration turnover was like a revolving door.   Yet during one of those years I was there, we some how managed to make &quot;AYP&quot;.  

Don&#039;t be fooled...making AYP when your school is lousy doesn&#039;t mean much....it just means that you suck less than you did the year before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The kids don&#8217;t suffer in the short term&#8230;but they suffer in the long term because they are receiving a sub-standard education.   </p>
<p>I taught at a middle school in APS a few years ago, and it was a mess.   The teaching was horrible, the discipline was out of hand across the school, and the administration turnover was like a revolving door.   Yet during one of those years I was there, we some how managed to make &#8220;AYP&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t be fooled&#8230;making AYP when your school is lousy doesn&#8217;t mean much&#8230;.it just means that you suck less than you did the year before.</p>
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		<title>By: Deeply Concerned</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deeply Concerned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 00:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to reiterate what has been said on another post in another manner, however the fact of the matter is a student who passes the CRCT may not have mastered the skills needed to perform well in advancing grades.  The passing requirement on this &quot;high stakes test&quot; is roughly 48%.  Wow, such mastery!!  Even if a student passes the test, there is still a chance that they will not be successful in the coming years.  That is the nature of this test in which everyone has so much faith.  

As for the &quot;statistics&quot; involved.  It has always been amusing to me that people do not realize statistics are easily manipulated to show what a person wants to see.  Why do you think one year statistics show that milk does a body good, but the next year milk doesn&#039;t have the same effect.  Milk didn&#039;t change.  But I digress, it is sad to think that somewhere in some school there aren&#039;t some teachers that can move their class to 100% passing rate on a test that merely requires 48% accuracy.  The lack of faith that this is possible is even worse.  Does this possibility only exsist in rural schools way out in the middle of nowhere, or the upper crust schools because of their good breeding?

At which point do we put our faith back into our children and off of these tests, statistics, and soap-box pointing which measure nothing but the width of various wallets.  Is an accusation enough to permanently tar and feather these people or should there be actual proof?  The overwhelming evidence by an outside audit of a company that is paid every time a child has to retest.  I think it&#039;s great.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to reiterate what has been said on another post in another manner, however the fact of the matter is a student who passes the CRCT may not have mastered the skills needed to perform well in advancing grades.  The passing requirement on this &#8220;high stakes test&#8221; is roughly 48%.  Wow, such mastery!!  Even if a student passes the test, there is still a chance that they will not be successful in the coming years.  That is the nature of this test in which everyone has so much faith.  </p>
<p>As for the &#8220;statistics&#8221; involved.  It has always been amusing to me that people do not realize statistics are easily manipulated to show what a person wants to see.  Why do you think one year statistics show that milk does a body good, but the next year milk doesn&#8217;t have the same effect.  Milk didn&#8217;t change.  But I digress, it is sad to think that somewhere in some school there aren&#8217;t some teachers that can move their class to 100% passing rate on a test that merely requires 48% accuracy.  The lack of faith that this is possible is even worse.  Does this possibility only exsist in rural schools way out in the middle of nowhere, or the upper crust schools because of their good breeding?</p>
<p>At which point do we put our faith back into our children and off of these tests, statistics, and soap-box pointing which measure nothing but the width of various wallets.  Is an accusation enough to permanently tar and feather these people or should there be actual proof?  The overwhelming evidence by an outside audit of a company that is paid every time a child has to retest.  I think it&#8217;s great.</p>
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		<title>By: ScienceTeacher671</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/07/09/what-about-the-students-harmed-by-the-crct-cheating-scandal/comment-page-1/#comment-3809</link>
		<dc:creator>ScienceTeacher671</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 02:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ShooShee..dittoes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ShooShee..dittoes.</p>
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		<title>By: ShooShee</title>
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		<dc:creator>ShooShee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 01:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Concern teacher - please tell me you are not really a teacher.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Concern teacher &#8211; please tell me you are not really a teacher.</p>
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		<title>By: Cere</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 01:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Add to that the consequences for those students sitting in Algebra classes yet they cannot do long division, much less fractions...&quot;

Haven&#039;t you heard, Sammie?  We don&#039;t teach Algebra anymore.  Georgia is implementing a &quot;new&quot; math program that they have cobbled together from three different programs - from Texas, Japan and South Carolina (interesting mix). They haven&#039;t yet devised tests to see if students are learning the new way or not.  Even so - we are jumping on it full steam ahead in DeKalb - Math I, II, III and IV and then things like calculus. Time will tell.....

http://dekalbschoolwatch.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Add to that the consequences for those students sitting in Algebra classes yet they cannot do long division, much less fractions&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Haven&#8217;t you heard, Sammie?  We don&#8217;t teach Algebra anymore.  Georgia is implementing a &#8220;new&#8221; math program that they have cobbled together from three different programs &#8211; from Texas, Japan and South Carolina (interesting mix). They haven&#8217;t yet devised tests to see if students are learning the new way or not.  Even so &#8211; we are jumping on it full steam ahead in DeKalb &#8211; Math I, II, III and IV and then things like calculus. Time will tell&#8230;..</p>
<p><a href="http://dekalbschoolwatch.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://dekalbschoolwatch.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: ScienceTeacher671</title>
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		<dc:creator>ScienceTeacher671</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 01:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, excellent points about the lack of openness and accountability from the DOE.  There used to be a law that required tests to be released during a certain time frame. Was the law changed, or is DOE flouting it?  In either case, WHY? (I don&#039;t expect the AJC to ask or answer those questions.)

You are correct that some students will never be &quot;proficient&quot;...but there are some who might be, or might at least be closer to proficient, IF they knew there were consequences for not passing, or IF we had actual remediation (instead of just social promotion and the relaxing of standards known as &quot;RTI&quot;) in place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, excellent points about the lack of openness and accountability from the DOE.  There used to be a law that required tests to be released during a certain time frame. Was the law changed, or is DOE flouting it?  In either case, WHY? (I don&#8217;t expect the AJC to ask or answer those questions.)</p>
<p>You are correct that some students will never be &#8220;proficient&#8221;&#8230;but there are some who might be, or might at least be closer to proficient, IF they knew there were consequences for not passing, or IF we had actual remediation (instead of just social promotion and the relaxing of standards known as &#8220;RTI&#8221;) in place.</p>
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		<title>By: ScienceTeacher671</title>
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		<dc:creator>ScienceTeacher671</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 20:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bobbie, don&#039;t delude yourself. A student who cannot pass the CRCT has NOT mastered the skills needed to succeed in the next grade.  The student MAY have good grades because the teacher graded on &quot;effort&quot; instead of &quot;mastery&quot;, but the skills are not there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bobbie, don&#8217;t delude yourself. A student who cannot pass the CRCT has NOT mastered the skills needed to succeed in the next grade.  The student MAY have good grades because the teacher graded on &#8220;effort&#8221; instead of &#8220;mastery&#8221;, but the skills are not there.</p>
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		<title>By: Nikole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nikole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 19:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan--I was actually addressing Chris, but I guess that was your post too.  I think your characterization of &quot;black leaders&quot; is unfair to those that aren&#039;t cheating or are successful leaders.  And I spell my name the way my mother preferred for it to be spelled.  Just like you can go by the name Alan or Chris or whatever else you choose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan&#8211;I was actually addressing Chris, but I guess that was your post too.  I think your characterization of &#8220;black leaders&#8221; is unfair to those that aren&#8217;t cheating or are successful leaders.  And I spell my name the way my mother preferred for it to be spelled.  Just like you can go by the name Alan or Chris or whatever else you choose.</p>
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		<title>By: Concern teacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Concern teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 19:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This hurt the students.  In the end, if passed or not they did not comprehend the information given enough, so what is going to happen to these students in middle school and high school?  What about the students who were not given enough time to complete the allotted time for the CRCT test.  One school in particular, the administrators did not give some students the allotted time to complete the test, another Dekalb Cty school.  Are we focusing on teaching or test scores?  Student achievement or teaching for the test?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This hurt the students.  In the end, if passed or not they did not comprehend the information given enough, so what is going to happen to these students in middle school and high school?  What about the students who were not given enough time to complete the allotted time for the CRCT test.  One school in particular, the administrators did not give some students the allotted time to complete the test, another Dekalb Cty school.  Are we focusing on teaching or test scores?  Student achievement or teaching for the test?</p>
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