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		<title>By: Miss GOOD MONEY ONE</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miss GOOD MONEY ONE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 02:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Criminal Charges...Wow</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Criminal Charges&#8230;Wow</p>
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		<title>By: Fiscal Responsibility</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fiscal Responsibility</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The charges should be against the state not the administrators.  The CRCT is a JOKE so I do not understand why anyone will CHEAT.  Regardless of whether the students pass the test or not they will go to the next grade so the State needs to prosecuted because they say students in 3rd, 5th, and 8th grade must pass the test to go to the next grade but, it is not True.  Students fail the test every year and still go to the next grade so, what is all the talk about cheating?  The State cheats children every year along with the administrators, teachers,  and parents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The charges should be against the state not the administrators.  The CRCT is a JOKE so I do not understand why anyone will CHEAT.  Regardless of whether the students pass the test or not they will go to the next grade so the State needs to prosecuted because they say students in 3rd, 5th, and 8th grade must pass the test to go to the next grade but, it is not True.  Students fail the test every year and still go to the next grade so, what is all the talk about cheating?  The State cheats children every year along with the administrators, teachers,  and parents.</p>
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		<title>By: Applerot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Applerot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 01:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey &quot;Shut Your Mouth&quot;:  You are so right.  The Office of Internal Resolutions in the DeKalb School System under the dubious leadership of State Senator Ronald Ramsey is really the Center to Cover Up the Mishaps of the Crawford Lewis Administration.  Typically, people misuse power.  I think that when John Trotter and the MACE group brings the heat, those spineless ones in DeKalb (and other systems) get nervous.  Hypocrites!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey &#8220;Shut Your Mouth&#8221;:  You are so right.  The Office of Internal Resolutions in the DeKalb School System under the dubious leadership of State Senator Ronald Ramsey is really the Center to Cover Up the Mishaps of the Crawford Lewis Administration.  Typically, people misuse power.  I think that when John Trotter and the MACE group brings the heat, those spineless ones in DeKalb (and other systems) get nervous.  Hypocrites!</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 00:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that the CRCT is a major overkill in determining as to whether or not our students are learning.  Their report card grades should be all the evidence needed as to whether or not they may advance to the next grade level.

I always hated taking the CRCT (was then known as the GCRT, as well as the Iowa Standard).  Even as a child, I knew they were really a waste of time in determining how much students knew, and how well the schools performed on the whole.

The test has created such dishonesty.  The only material that is taught in most schools is the material covered in the test.  While the test is supposed to cover material appropriate for the grade level taking it, in general it covers all grade levels, so even a 5th grade student will see material they covered back in 1st grade.  All the textbooks in each grade level covered the basic stuff that was already taught in previous years before advancing to newer material.  The newer material didn&#039;t begin until five or six chapters into the book.

There was an episode of &quot;The Simpsons&quot; that made fun of how schools were teaching nothing but the test:  there was even a scene of one classroom where the teacher had the students recite the correct answers for one section.

While I don&#039;t see the CRCT or any other standardized testing completely going away, I do propose that perhaps the way they are administered and graded be changed.  Right now the teachers of the school administer the test, and they, along with the principal and assistant principal, grade the tests.  Perhaps the administration and grading of said tests be handled by an outside agency/group/source.  I&#039;d recommend the company that publishes the test, since they (supposedly) have a non-biased approach towards all schools in the nation.  The company could set up branch offices in each state, and the employees from that office would be test proctors, whose job would be to administer and grade the tests.

The tests would be administered at the school, not in the individual classrooms, but in one main room that can hold all students from each school that would take the test, like the cafeteria, library, gymnasium, theater, or other similar large common area, like how the SATs are usually administered.  Materials needed for the test (sharpened #2 pencils, blank paper for doing math problems, etc.) would be provided to the students in the testing area.

The test proctors would hand out the answer sheets, test booklets, and go over the instructions on how to complete the test.  At the end of each day, they would collect the answer sheets and booklets, and take them back to the branch office.  The next day, they would bring them back to the school, and continue with the testing.

After testing is completed, the answer sheets and booklets would be collected, taken back to the branch office, and graded at the branch office.  Grading could take a couple of weeks, but with it being performed off-site, there is less risk of answers being changed to make one particular school look good.  The company would have to enforce a policy that prohibits any and all proctors to accept gifts of any denomination or kind from the principal, assistant principal, dean, or any employee of said school or local board of education, under penalty of termination.

If not the company, then perhaps a department set up within the State Board of Education, consisting of test proctors and examiners, whose sole responsibility is to administer and grade the standardized tests.  Those wishing to join would have to meet the following criteria:

1.  Not presently be an employee at any of the schools, with perhaps the exception of those positions which do not involve direct interaction or involvement with the children&#039;s education process (like janitor, secretary)

2.  Not have a child presently attending the school.  They could have a child that once attended the school, but graduated prior to their assignment to said school.

3.  Not be acquainted with anyone whose child(ren) attend said school.

4.  Not be acquainted with anyone employed at said school.

I know this leaves very little room for opportunity, but on the same token, it doesn&#039;t allow a lot of room for bias towards one school or another.

Just like I mentioned above, the group would be responsible for administering and grading the tests, and the tests would be graded off-site (away from the school), either at the department&#039;s office, or else sent up to the company that produces the tests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the CRCT is a major overkill in determining as to whether or not our students are learning.  Their report card grades should be all the evidence needed as to whether or not they may advance to the next grade level.</p>
<p>I always hated taking the CRCT (was then known as the GCRT, as well as the Iowa Standard).  Even as a child, I knew they were really a waste of time in determining how much students knew, and how well the schools performed on the whole.</p>
<p>The test has created such dishonesty.  The only material that is taught in most schools is the material covered in the test.  While the test is supposed to cover material appropriate for the grade level taking it, in general it covers all grade levels, so even a 5th grade student will see material they covered back in 1st grade.  All the textbooks in each grade level covered the basic stuff that was already taught in previous years before advancing to newer material.  The newer material didn&#8217;t begin until five or six chapters into the book.</p>
<p>There was an episode of &#8220;The Simpsons&#8221; that made fun of how schools were teaching nothing but the test:  there was even a scene of one classroom where the teacher had the students recite the correct answers for one section.</p>
<p>While I don&#8217;t see the CRCT or any other standardized testing completely going away, I do propose that perhaps the way they are administered and graded be changed.  Right now the teachers of the school administer the test, and they, along with the principal and assistant principal, grade the tests.  Perhaps the administration and grading of said tests be handled by an outside agency/group/source.  I&#8217;d recommend the company that publishes the test, since they (supposedly) have a non-biased approach towards all schools in the nation.  The company could set up branch offices in each state, and the employees from that office would be test proctors, whose job would be to administer and grade the tests.</p>
<p>The tests would be administered at the school, not in the individual classrooms, but in one main room that can hold all students from each school that would take the test, like the cafeteria, library, gymnasium, theater, or other similar large common area, like how the SATs are usually administered.  Materials needed for the test (sharpened #2 pencils, blank paper for doing math problems, etc.) would be provided to the students in the testing area.</p>
<p>The test proctors would hand out the answer sheets, test booklets, and go over the instructions on how to complete the test.  At the end of each day, they would collect the answer sheets and booklets, and take them back to the branch office.  The next day, they would bring them back to the school, and continue with the testing.</p>
<p>After testing is completed, the answer sheets and booklets would be collected, taken back to the branch office, and graded at the branch office.  Grading could take a couple of weeks, but with it being performed off-site, there is less risk of answers being changed to make one particular school look good.  The company would have to enforce a policy that prohibits any and all proctors to accept gifts of any denomination or kind from the principal, assistant principal, dean, or any employee of said school or local board of education, under penalty of termination.</p>
<p>If not the company, then perhaps a department set up within the State Board of Education, consisting of test proctors and examiners, whose sole responsibility is to administer and grade the standardized tests.  Those wishing to join would have to meet the following criteria:</p>
<p>1.  Not presently be an employee at any of the schools, with perhaps the exception of those positions which do not involve direct interaction or involvement with the children&#8217;s education process (like janitor, secretary)</p>
<p>2.  Not have a child presently attending the school.  They could have a child that once attended the school, but graduated prior to their assignment to said school.</p>
<p>3.  Not be acquainted with anyone whose child(ren) attend said school.</p>
<p>4.  Not be acquainted with anyone employed at said school.</p>
<p>I know this leaves very little room for opportunity, but on the same token, it doesn&#8217;t allow a lot of room for bias towards one school or another.</p>
<p>Just like I mentioned above, the group would be responsible for administering and grading the tests, and the tests would be graded off-site (away from the school), either at the department&#8217;s office, or else sent up to the company that produces the tests.</p>
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		<title>By: cricket</title>
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		<dc:creator>cricket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 22:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They can&#039;t be charged with violating a law that hasn&#039;t been created yet.  What current law does the D.A.&#039;s office base their intent to investigate on?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They can&#8217;t be charged with violating a law that hasn&#8217;t been created yet.  What current law does the D.A.&#8217;s office base their intent to investigate on?</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Finegold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel Finegold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 06:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Try to get a copy of one of those CRCT tests. You meet a stone wall. It&#039;s content is &quot;confidential&quot;, even for outdated tests.  You would think that someone who could really construct a test question that measured achievement of some kind, could find many ways to construct a question that measured the same thing . And a group of persons similarly competent should be able to produce far more than that. I cannot help wondering how competent those who write these tests really are.  There must be something unsavory in federal financing that gets this testing shoved into us.  Georgia is not the only state that holds to this secrecy policy. That is strong evidence of tax supported teaching(not learning) programs designed to work just as the Wizard of Oz preferred to govern: hidden behind a cloak of authority,free of any open and meaningful criticism. As such, it is inevitable that those who &quot;teach&quot; to such standards will be the class of teachers from whom &quot;those who exemplify good teaching&quot; will be selected by politicians. Teaching to such standards has little to do with inspiring youngsters to learn anything besides how to get good marks on tests they have been taught to take.  Moreover, it dilutes their most important power to learn a given subject: their realization of how far their deductive powers can carry them into it. What CRCT most accurately measures is a person&#039;s desire to respond to certain cues. Whatever it measures of true learning is purely coincidental.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Try to get a copy of one of those CRCT tests. You meet a stone wall. It&#8217;s content is &#8220;confidential&#8221;, even for outdated tests.  You would think that someone who could really construct a test question that measured achievement of some kind, could find many ways to construct a question that measured the same thing . And a group of persons similarly competent should be able to produce far more than that. I cannot help wondering how competent those who write these tests really are.  There must be something unsavory in federal financing that gets this testing shoved into us.  Georgia is not the only state that holds to this secrecy policy. That is strong evidence of tax supported teaching(not learning) programs designed to work just as the Wizard of Oz preferred to govern: hidden behind a cloak of authority,free of any open and meaningful criticism. As such, it is inevitable that those who &#8220;teach&#8221; to such standards will be the class of teachers from whom &#8220;those who exemplify good teaching&#8221; will be selected by politicians. Teaching to such standards has little to do with inspiring youngsters to learn anything besides how to get good marks on tests they have been taught to take.  Moreover, it dilutes their most important power to learn a given subject: their realization of how far their deductive powers can carry them into it. What CRCT most accurately measures is a person&#8217;s desire to respond to certain cues. Whatever it measures of true learning is purely coincidental.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 03:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do we really need another law everytime someone does something stupid? 

The officials who perpetrated this fraud have been discovered and will most likely see their careers ended as a result. There is no evidence that they represent a danger to the public at large. We have the mechanisms in place to deal with this matter.

Why is no one questioning the level of importance placed on standardized testing that motivated these acts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do we really need another law everytime someone does something stupid? </p>
<p>The officials who perpetrated this fraud have been discovered and will most likely see their careers ended as a result. There is no evidence that they represent a danger to the public at large. We have the mechanisms in place to deal with this matter.</p>
<p>Why is no one questioning the level of importance placed on standardized testing that motivated these acts?</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 03:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Senator Weber, just because your wife was a former administrator who decided to go back in the classrom, does not make you an education expert.  The middle school she left hasn&#039;t made AYP in several years.  It is not a criminal matter.  You have bigger issues to address.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Senator Weber, just because your wife was a former administrator who decided to go back in the classrom, does not make you an education expert.  The middle school she left hasn&#8217;t made AYP in several years.  It is not a criminal matter.  You have bigger issues to address.</p>
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		<title>By: Cricket</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cricket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 03:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What law will the D.A.&#039;s office charge them with violating?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What law will the D.A.&#8217;s office charge them with violating?</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 03:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe the county office administrators who are overpaid anyway need to come to the local school house and help supervise testing.  They could take the answer sheets with them to a regional secure location and then return them on the one make up day and then pick them up again to send to the state.  I say address the problem.  It is an ethical issue, not a criminal matter.   It is true, that grievances are not held in DCSS.  Someone should do an open records request for the number of hearing and how many were responded to within 10 days and how many went to level !! and were addressed within the timelines specified. Go to the website for DCSS http://www.dekalb.k12.ga.us/administration/internalaffairs/index.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe the county office administrators who are overpaid anyway need to come to the local school house and help supervise testing.  They could take the answer sheets with them to a regional secure location and then return them on the one make up day and then pick them up again to send to the state.  I say address the problem.  It is an ethical issue, not a criminal matter.   It is true, that grievances are not held in DCSS.  Someone should do an open records request for the number of hearing and how many were responded to within 10 days and how many went to level !! and were addressed within the timelines specified. Go to the website for DCSS <a href="http://www.dekalb.k12.ga.us/administration/internalaffairs/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.dekalb.k12.ga.us/administration/internalaffairs/index.html</a></p>
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